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18 year old Raducnu now 90% favourite to win the SPOTY election – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited September 12 in General
image18 year old Raducnu now 90% favourite to win the SPOTY election – politicalbetting.com

As predicted the victory by the 18 year old from Bromley, Emma Raducanu, has seen her shoot up in December’s election for the 2021 BBC Sports Personality of the Year and is now rated as a 90% chance by Betfair punters, Her victory late last night led to Tweets from the Palace, Number 10 and even Vote Leave and no doubt this is a young lady whom we are going to hear a lot more about.

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,887
    edited September 12
    Lay her.

    I'm as confident about this lay as I was when I was laying Donald Trump for the GOP nomination in 2016.
  • FPT

    Unless I’m very much mistaken, the Chief Whip
    @Mark_Spencer
    just walked into No 10.

    Plus Director of Communications Jack Doyle has now also arrived.

    Strange for a Sunday afternoon…Eyes

    https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1437072810292269068
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 16,883

    FPT

    Unless I’m very much mistaken, the Chief Whip
    @Mark_Spencer
    just walked into No 10.

    Plus Director of Communications Jack Doyle has now also arrived.

    Strange for a Sunday afternoon…Eyes

    https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1437072810292269068

    What could this mean?
  • Asking for a friend, how does one raise a complaint to the Italian rozzers about the attempted murder attempt by Verstappen on Hamilton?

    Damon Hill is a key witness.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,963
    Lay the favourite!

    (In the betting sense, obviously. I’m not @SeanT)
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 6,973
    Maybe there is a panic about the loss of the Tory poll lead and BoJo's rating collapse
  • FPT

    Unless I’m very much mistaken, the Chief Whip
    @Mark_Spencer
    just walked into No 10.

    Plus Director of Communications Jack Doyle has now also arrived.

    Strange for a Sunday afternoon…Eyes

    https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1437072810292269068

    What could this mean?
    Boris Johnson does what Dave failed to do.

    Ennoble me and make me Foreign Secretary.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 16,883

    FPT

    Unless I’m very much mistaken, the Chief Whip
    @Mark_Spencer
    just walked into No 10.

    Plus Director of Communications Jack Doyle has now also arrived.

    Strange for a Sunday afternoon…Eyes

    https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1437072810292269068

    What could this mean?
    Boris Johnson does what Dave failed to do.

    Ennoble me and make me Foreign Secretary.
    I'm not sure we're ready for a war with France
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,963
    FPT:

    @MaxPB, @Morris_Dancer deserved the credit for the Ricciardo tip you attributed to me.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 31,858

    FPT

    Unless I’m very much mistaken, the Chief Whip
    @Mark_Spencer
    just walked into No 10.

    Plus Director of Communications Jack Doyle has now also arrived.

    Strange for a Sunday afternoon…Eyes

    https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1437072810292269068

    Boris blundering around trying to find someone to blame over the Tory poll lead collapse. Anyone but himself, of course.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 69,759
    Aslan said:

    Labour has warned that there is “more work to do” to build tolerance in Scotland after a poll found more than twice as many voters would regard increased immigration from Muslim countries as bad for the country rather than a good thing.

    The latest Panelbase survey for The Sunday Times found that about one in five (19 per cent) believe that the possibility of about 10,000 people from majority Muslim countries into Scotland each year for the next five years would be a positive development. However, 44 per cent said they would view it negatively while 37 per cent would consider it to be neither negative nor positive.


    https://twitter.com/SundayTimesSco/status/1436985704689569796?s=20

    "Could we be out of touch? No, it's the voters that are in the wrong."
    That is funny, and can be a bad attitude, but if a group is to lead, not just follow, sometimes the public do need to come to see that they are wrong about something.
  • FPT

    Unless I’m very much mistaken, the Chief Whip
    @Mark_Spencer
    just walked into No 10.

    Plus Director of Communications Jack Doyle has now also arrived.

    Strange for a Sunday afternoon…Eyes

    https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1437072810292269068

    What could this mean?
    Boris Johnson does what Dave failed to do.

    Ennoble me and make me Foreign Secretary.
    I'm not sure we're ready for a war with France
    We are always ready for a war with France.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 31,858
    Sandpit said:

    FPT:

    @MaxPB, @Morris_Dancer deserved the credit for the Ricciardo tip you attributed to me.

    Good tip from him then! That each way bet on Riccardo and Norris will have been pretty tasty today.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 69,759
    edited September 12

    FPT

    Unless I’m very much mistaken, the Chief Whip
    @Mark_Spencer
    just walked into No 10.

    Plus Director of Communications Jack Doyle has now also arrived.

    Strange for a Sunday afternoon…Eyes

    https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1437072810292269068

    What could this mean?
    Boris Johnson does what Dave failed to do.

    Ennoble me and make me Foreign Secretary.
    I'm not sure we're ready for a war with France
    We are always ready for a war with France.
    Emotionally we are, not logistically perhaps.
  • kle4 said:

    Aslan said:

    Labour has warned that there is “more work to do” to build tolerance in Scotland after a poll found more than twice as many voters would regard increased immigration from Muslim countries as bad for the country rather than a good thing.

    The latest Panelbase survey for The Sunday Times found that about one in five (19 per cent) believe that the possibility of about 10,000 people from majority Muslim countries into Scotland each year for the next five years would be a positive development. However, 44 per cent said they would view it negatively while 37 per cent would consider it to be neither negative nor positive.


    https://twitter.com/SundayTimesSco/status/1436985704689569796?s=20

    "Could we be out of touch? No, it's the voters that are in the wrong."
    That is funny, and can be a bad attitude, but if a group is to lead, not just follow, sometimes the public do need to come to see that they are wrong about something.
    very true. Covid is a good example where you terrify the public and use thier fear to justify more retrictions. A terrible way of governing
  • TazTaz Posts: 2,475

    Maybe there is a panic about the loss of the Tory poll lead and BoJo's rating collapse

    What did they expect ? Surely they have advisers who would have been able to foresee this.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 69,759
    MaxPB said:

    FPT

    Unless I’m very much mistaken, the Chief Whip
    @Mark_Spencer
    just walked into No 10.

    Plus Director of Communications Jack Doyle has now also arrived.

    Strange for a Sunday afternoon…Eyes

    https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1437072810292269068

    Boris blundering around trying to find someone to blame over the Tory poll lead collapse. Anyone but himself, of course.
    Whatever bodies he may know about, Williamson provides a perfect opportunity if he wants to blame someone for incompetence.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,526
    edited September 12

    FPT

    Unless I’m very much mistaken, the Chief Whip
    @Mark_Spencer
    just walked into No 10.

    Plus Director of Communications Jack Doyle has now also arrived.

    Strange for a Sunday afternoon…Eyes

    https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1437072810292269068

    What could this mean?
    Boris Johnson does what Dave failed to do.

    Ennoble me and make me Foreign Secretary.
    I'm not sure we're ready for a war with France
    We are always ready for a war with France.
    Not sure. A chunk of one of Pam's Forts, Hurst Castle, fell into the sea the other month.

    MoD* slacking off, I expect. *

    * OK, by dumping it on English Heritage, poor souls. But still.
  • MaxPB said:

    FPT

    Unless I’m very much mistaken, the Chief Whip
    @Mark_Spencer
    just walked into No 10.

    Plus Director of Communications Jack Doyle has now also arrived.

    Strange for a Sunday afternoon…Eyes

    https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1437072810292269068

    Boris blundering around trying to find someone to blame over the Tory poll lead collapse. Anyone but himself, of course.
    It turns out jacking up taxes and squeezing wages may not be a smart idea. Funny that.

    Just been shopping and the price of petrol has now hit the highest I've ever seen. Just as lots of families are famously losing £20 per week. Now is the moment that Boris thought it a great idea to take more money out of our wages.

    He doesn't deserve our vote and neither do the Tories, until they realise that wages are for people to keep to spend on what they need and not simply due to the Treasury to pay for those who aren't working.
  • Maybe there is a panic about the loss of the Tory poll lead and BoJo's rating collapse

    would also explain sudden u turn on vax passports
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 69,759

    kle4 said:

    Aslan said:

    Labour has warned that there is “more work to do” to build tolerance in Scotland after a poll found more than twice as many voters would regard increased immigration from Muslim countries as bad for the country rather than a good thing.

    The latest Panelbase survey for The Sunday Times found that about one in five (19 per cent) believe that the possibility of about 10,000 people from majority Muslim countries into Scotland each year for the next five years would be a positive development. However, 44 per cent said they would view it negatively while 37 per cent would consider it to be neither negative nor positive.


    https://twitter.com/SundayTimesSco/status/1436985704689569796?s=20

    "Could we be out of touch? No, it's the voters that are in the wrong."
    That is funny, and can be a bad attitude, but if a group is to lead, not just follow, sometimes the public do need to come to see that they are wrong about something.
    very true. Covid is a good example where you terrify the public and use thier fear to justify more retrictions. A terrible way of governing
    Well, I might not put it quite that way, but if we take Covid then if the government had just done what the public wanted we'd not have unlocked in August, and and yet the outcome, far from the disaster some predicted, shows the government was right and voters were wrong.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,368
    Mr. Max, cheers.

    Large slice of luck (would be interesting know a result if the collision had not occurred).
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 69,759

    Taz said:

    Maybe there is a panic about the loss of the Tory poll lead and BoJo's rating collapse

    What did they expect ? Surely they have advisers who would have been able to foresee this.
    I'm starting to think all political 'advisers' these days spend far too much time on Twitter and not enough time in the real world. Both the Government's and Labour's advisers are pretty crap.
    I think they may spend their time going round in circles pontificating, when things usually are pretty simple. And 'tax rises are unpopular, as is government generally mid term' is a simple thing that they overreact to.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 1,821
    kle4 said:

    FPT

    Unless I’m very much mistaken, the Chief Whip
    @Mark_Spencer
    just walked into No 10.

    Plus Director of Communications Jack Doyle has now also arrived.

    Strange for a Sunday afternoon…Eyes

    https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1437072810292269068

    What could this mean?
    Boris Johnson does what Dave failed to do.

    Ennoble me and make me Foreign Secretary.
    I'm not sure we're ready for a war with France
    We are always ready for a war with France.
    Emotionally we are, not logistically perhaps.
    well we are accumulating a lot of small boats that are proven channel crossers.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 52,012
    Implications: With [increased] transmission & [increased] infection rates with Delta variant, it’s likely that 50-70% of teens now have natural immunity against #SARSCoV2. This has important implications when considering benefits of vaccinating 12-15y in England & risks of vaccine reactions …/End

    https://twitter.com/ShamezLadhani/status/1437047278385176581?s=20
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 31,858
    DavidL said:

    It was a good Olympics and very good para Olympics for the UK but I can't help feeling that the breadth of our success and medals made it much more difficult for individuals to stand out in the way than an Olympic gold medallist would have in the past.

    To me this looks as nailed on as anything can be. We have a new superstar in our midst. Young, very smart, articulate, pretty and a winner. What's not to like?

    Not just standing out, there is also an expectations issue for the Olympic athletes. People have become used to seeing us win 20-30 gold medals every 4 years. In the aftermath of 1996 it was a much, much bigger deal seeing a Team GB athlete on the top step. In 2021 after huge success in Beijing, London and Rio it's much less of a big deal.

    Expectations for women's tennis are extremely low in this country. We haven't had a truly world class female tennis player since Virginia Wade. Ending that 44 year wait will be a huge factor and Emma Raducanu is odds on favourite for this reason IMO.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 52,012
    kle4 said:

    Taz said:

    Maybe there is a panic about the loss of the Tory poll lead and BoJo's rating collapse

    What did they expect ? Surely they have advisers who would have been able to foresee this.
    I'm starting to think all political 'advisers' these days spend far too much time on Twitter and not enough time in the real world. Both the Government's and Labour's advisers are pretty crap.
    I think they may spend their time going round in circles pontificating, when things usually are pretty simple. And 'tax rises are unpopular, as is government generally mid term' is a simple thing that they overreact to.
    Imagine the alternative - tax rises leading to increased popularity!
  • TazTaz Posts: 2,475

    MaxPB said:

    FPT

    Unless I’m very much mistaken, the Chief Whip
    @Mark_Spencer
    just walked into No 10.

    Plus Director of Communications Jack Doyle has now also arrived.

    Strange for a Sunday afternoon…Eyes

    https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1437072810292269068

    Boris blundering around trying to find someone to blame over the Tory poll lead collapse. Anyone but himself, of course.
    It turns out jacking up taxes and squeezing wages may not be a smart idea. Funny that.

    Just been shopping and the price of petrol has now hit the highest I've ever seen. Just as lots of families are famously losing £20 per week. Now is the moment that Boris thought it a great idea to take more money out of our wages.

    He doesn't deserve our vote and neither do the Tories, until they realise that wages are for people to keep to spend on what they need and not simply due to the Treasury to pay for those who aren't working.
    Out of interest how much is it ?

    It’s 130p a litre at the local Sainsbury’s here.
  • isamisam Posts: 38,522

    Maybe there is a panic about the loss of the Tory poll lead and BoJo's rating collapse

    I was going to post exactly that as a joke!
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 52,012
    edited September 12
    That’ll be “joyous and civic” turned up to 11

    In his Alba conference speech, Alex Salmond says the founder of Wings Over Scotland and Robin McAlpine will play a key role in developing his party’s “case for independence”

    https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1437078192565755913?s=20
  • TazTaz Posts: 2,475
    kle4 said:

    MaxPB said:

    FPT

    Unless I’m very much mistaken, the Chief Whip
    @Mark_Spencer
    just walked into No 10.

    Plus Director of Communications Jack Doyle has now also arrived.

    Strange for a Sunday afternoon…Eyes

    https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1437072810292269068

    Boris blundering around trying to find someone to blame over the Tory poll lead collapse. Anyone but himself, of course.
    Whatever bodies he may know about, Williamson provides a perfect opportunity if he wants to blame someone for incompetence.

    It’s staggering, given how incompetent he is, his labour shadow seems to continually let him off the hook.

    Never lays a glove on him
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 31,858

    Mr. Max, cheers.

    Large slice of luck (would be interesting know a result if the collision had not occurred).

    I think Danny Ric would still have won. Lando would have been 4th behind Lewis and Max. Each way on both will probably be the tip of the F1 season!
  • eekeek Posts: 15,817

    Implications: With [increased] transmission & [increased] infection rates with Delta variant, it’s likely that 50-70% of teens now have natural immunity against #SARSCoV2. This has important implications when considering benefits of vaccinating 12-15y in England & risks of vaccine reactions …/End

    https://twitter.com/ShamezLadhani/status/1437047278385176581?s=20

    How does that work when students were tested weekly from January to July. Unless they've suddenly caught it since July there is a very accurate count of students with Covid and it won't be that high.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,368
    Mr. Max, possible, given how poor the two top teams' pit stops were.
  • Taz said:

    MaxPB said:

    FPT

    Unless I’m very much mistaken, the Chief Whip
    @Mark_Spencer
    just walked into No 10.

    Plus Director of Communications Jack Doyle has now also arrived.

    Strange for a Sunday afternoon…Eyes

    https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1437072810292269068

    Boris blundering around trying to find someone to blame over the Tory poll lead collapse. Anyone but himself, of course.
    It turns out jacking up taxes and squeezing wages may not be a smart idea. Funny that.

    Just been shopping and the price of petrol has now hit the highest I've ever seen. Just as lots of families are famously losing £20 per week. Now is the moment that Boris thought it a great idea to take more money out of our wages.

    He doesn't deserve our vote and neither do the Tories, until they realise that wages are for people to keep to spend on what they need and not simply due to the Treasury to pay for those who aren't working.
    Out of interest how much is it ?

    It’s 130p a litre at the local Sainsbury’s here.
    just been to the lake district and prices for food and drink have risen substantially there....i think people losing interest in covid has a lot to do with the realisation that there is a big cost in shutting down countries for months on end
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 16,496

    FPT

    Unless I’m very much mistaken, the Chief Whip
    @Mark_Spencer
    just walked into No 10.

    Plus Director of Communications Jack Doyle has now also arrived.

    Strange for a Sunday afternoon…Eyes

    https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1437072810292269068

    The reshuffle rumours continue, but BoZo could do worse than sack Priti Patel for a start
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 1,534
    edited September 12
    Taz said:

    MaxPB said:

    FPT

    Unless I’m very much mistaken, the Chief Whip
    @Mark_Spencer
    just walked into No 10.

    Plus Director of Communications Jack Doyle has now also arrived.

    Strange for a Sunday afternoon…Eyes

    https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1437072810292269068

    Boris blundering around trying to find someone to blame over the Tory poll lead collapse. Anyone but himself, of course.
    It turns out jacking up taxes and squeezing wages may not be a smart idea. Funny that.

    Just been shopping and the price of petrol has now hit the highest I've ever seen. Just as lots of families are famously losing £20 per week. Now is the moment that Boris thought it a great idea to take more money out of our wages.

    He doesn't deserve our vote and neither do the Tories, until they realise that wages are for people to keep to spend on what they need and not simply due to the Treasury to pay for those who aren't working.
    Out of interest how much is it ?

    It’s 130p a litre at the local Sainsbury’s here.
    about 133p in West Wales for Derv

    Also OT

    I notice that my energy company has upped the rate 12 days after I chose their tariff. Looking on uswitch, there's very little at the cheaper end either. I think we are in for a tough winter.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,963

    Mr. Max, cheers.

    Large slice of luck (would be interesting know a result if the collision had not occurred).

    I think DR would have won it anyway, Lando was probably on the podium without the accident.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,963
    If we’re talking petrol prices, Super 98 just went over 50p a litre out here :D
  • TazTaz Posts: 2,475

    Taz said:

    MaxPB said:

    FPT

    Unless I’m very much mistaken, the Chief Whip
    @Mark_Spencer
    just walked into No 10.

    Plus Director of Communications Jack Doyle has now also arrived.

    Strange for a Sunday afternoon…Eyes

    https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1437072810292269068

    Boris blundering around trying to find someone to blame over the Tory poll lead collapse. Anyone but himself, of course.
    It turns out jacking up taxes and squeezing wages may not be a smart idea. Funny that.

    Just been shopping and the price of petrol has now hit the highest I've ever seen. Just as lots of families are famously losing £20 per week. Now is the moment that Boris thought it a great idea to take more money out of our wages.

    He doesn't deserve our vote and neither do the Tories, until they realise that wages are for people to keep to spend on what they need and not simply due to the Treasury to pay for those who aren't working.
    Out of interest how much is it ?

    It’s 130p a litre at the local Sainsbury’s here.
    about 133p in West Wales for Derv

    DERV

    That’s a term that takes me back !
  • kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Aslan said:

    Labour has warned that there is “more work to do” to build tolerance in Scotland after a poll found more than twice as many voters would regard increased immigration from Muslim countries as bad for the country rather than a good thing.

    The latest Panelbase survey for The Sunday Times found that about one in five (19 per cent) believe that the possibility of about 10,000 people from majority Muslim countries into Scotland each year for the next five years would be a positive development. However, 44 per cent said they would view it negatively while 37 per cent would consider it to be neither negative nor positive.


    https://twitter.com/SundayTimesSco/status/1436985704689569796?s=20

    "Could we be out of touch? No, it's the voters that are in the wrong."
    That is funny, and can be a bad attitude, but if a group is to lead, not just follow, sometimes the public do need to come to see that they are wrong about something.
    very true. Covid is a good example where you terrify the public and use thier fear to justify more retrictions. A terrible way of governing
    Well, I might not put it quite that way, but if we take Covid then if the government had just done what the public wanted we'd not have unlocked in August, and and yet the outcome, far from the disaster some predicted, shows the government was right and voters were wrong.
    exactly...not to be an elitist but remember a huge proportion of voters are ruled virtually entirely by emotion...it is why governing is so difficult and why following polls is a terrible strategy
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 44,594
    Scott_xP said:

    FPT

    Unless I’m very much mistaken, the Chief Whip
    @Mark_Spencer
    just walked into No 10.

    Plus Director of Communications Jack Doyle has now also arrived.

    Strange for a Sunday afternoon…Eyes

    https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1437072810292269068

    The reshuffle rumours continue, but BoZo could do worse than sack Priti Patel for a start
    Threaten another reshuffle so they can get Tuesday's Health Levy vote through?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,368
    Mr. Sandpit, perhaps. Hamilton was pretty swift, however.

    Still, it's a nice feeling for fortune to be in my favour. Happened a lot in 2020, less so this year.
  • eekeek Posts: 15,817
    edited September 12
    Sandpit said:

    If we’re talking petrol prices, Super 98 just went over 50p a litre out here :D

    How will you cope?

    Mind you I think the latte I got from Starbucks in Dubai airport was a £5 so it won't be an issue.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,963
    edited September 12
    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    If we’re talking petrol prices, Super 98 just went over 50p a litre out here :D

    How will you cope?
    I know, it’s terrible. I just bought a new car too, and it has a 75 litre tank. Cost me the best part of £40 to fill it up! (Including a tip to the attendant). ;)

    A pint of beer is a tenner out here though, so swings and roundabouts…
  • i also think with covid there was an element of the restrictions causing the fear...ie seeing everyhting closed and masks all over made things seem apocolyptic and increased the publics fear. It is amazing how fear levels have declined with everything open even though objectively there is a lot of covid still around
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 2,858
    edited September 12
    Ways for Raducanu not to win SPoTY, in order of increasing certainty:
    - publicly renounce her British citizenship
    - say something outrageously racist/homophobic
    - express solidarity with Meghan Markle
    - kick a dog on camera

    Still sitting this one out though. Closest I got to a bet was on Daley just after he won gold as I thought he'd likely come in as it reached the news reports and papers with a view to laying later (he did, I should have, but nevermind)

    @Sandpit (was it?) strategy of laying everyone who just won gold at the olympics looks like it will pay off though...
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 26,209
    Carnyx said:

    FPT

    Unless I’m very much mistaken, the Chief Whip
    @Mark_Spencer
    just walked into No 10.

    Plus Director of Communications Jack Doyle has now also arrived.

    Strange for a Sunday afternoon…Eyes

    https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1437072810292269068

    What could this mean?
    Boris Johnson does what Dave failed to do.

    Ennoble me and make me Foreign Secretary.
    I'm not sure we're ready for a war with France
    We are always ready for a war with France.
    Not sure. A chunk of one of Pam's Forts, Hurst Castle, fell into the sea the other month.

    MoD* slacking off, I expect. *

    * OK, by dumping it on English Heritage, poor souls. But still.
    They're in the process of repairing it:
    https://www.advertiserandtimes.co.uk/news/first-phase-of-hurst-castle-collapse-repair-work-done-9205097/

    It's sad to see: I love Hurst Castle, although the walk to get there along the single can be a bit hard on the ankles - unless you cheat and get the ferry!

    BTW, hope HurstLlama's okay.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 31,858
    Taz said:

    Maybe there is a panic about the loss of the Tory poll lead and BoJo's rating collapse

    What did they expect ? Surely they have advisers who would have been able to foresee this.
    I honestly don't think they did see it, the Tory party just seems to have forgotten how difficult it is to be a young worker on £18-40k all over the country. They've become the party of the comfortable and wealthy (people like me, ostensibly) who have no social conscience (so really only people like HYFUD). No one at the top table has any insight into the life of a 20 or 30 something living in a shared house paying shit loads in rent from income that is taxed far too much and is therefore unable to get on the property ladder.
  • This is why I love football and love having fans back.

    First twenty minutes fans of Dirty Leeds were singing to Trent Alexander-Arnold 'You're just a shit Kyler Walker'

    Then TAA provides the assist for Liverpool's opener.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 52,012
    Alex Salmond is telling Alba delegates about all of the things that the SNP haven't done while in power such as reducing poverty or gaining a foothold in the renewable energy sector.

    It may come as a shock to him who exactly was First Minister between 2007 and 2014

    https://twitter.com/conor_matchett/status/1437079743220830209?s=20

    In a dig at Nicola Sturgeon, Alex Salmond says the record of the SNP/Green government on education, health, the economy and local government is “at its very kindest mediocre”.

    He adds: “So is it’s record on the pandemic.”

    https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1437080580059959305?s=20

    This new Alex Salmond seems to have a very low opinion of the party led by the old Alex Salmond #Alba21
    https://twitter.com/HTScotPol/status/1437081940671279106?s=20
  • eekeek Posts: 15,817
    MaxPB said:

    Taz said:

    Maybe there is a panic about the loss of the Tory poll lead and BoJo's rating collapse

    What did they expect ? Surely they have advisers who would have been able to foresee this.
    I honestly don't think they did see it, the Tory party just seems to have forgotten how difficult it is to be a young worker on £18-40k all over the country. They've become the party of the comfortable and wealthy (people like me, ostensibly) who have no social conscience (so really only people like HYFUD). No one at the top table has any insight into the life of a 20 or 30 something living in a shared house paying shit loads in rent from income that is taxed far too much and is therefore unable to get on the property ladder.
    The problem with focus groups is that I suspect they are great at getting people aged 40+ willing to talk for an hour for £40 or so.

    What they can't do is find people younger than that as they are either hiding, working or can't see any reason why they need to do it in person.

    Saying that it wouldn't surprise me if they recruitment uses Facebook or Twitter neither of which are significant sites for younger people..
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,368
    Fun stat:

    1995 - Title rivals Michael Schumacher and Damon Hill collide in both the BritishGP and #ItalianGP, 2nd crash in 5 races.

    2021 - Title rivals Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton collide in both the BritishGP and ItalianGP, 2nd crash in 5 races.

    https://twitter.com/msportstats/status/1437082249082593282
  • MaxPB said:

    Taz said:

    Maybe there is a panic about the loss of the Tory poll lead and BoJo's rating collapse

    What did they expect ? Surely they have advisers who would have been able to foresee this.
    I honestly don't think they did see it, the Tory party just seems to have forgotten how difficult it is to be a young worker on £18-40k all over the country. They've become the party of the comfortable and wealthy (people like me, ostensibly) who have no social conscience (so really only people like HYFUD). No one at the top table has any insight into the life of a 20 or 30 something living in a shared house paying shit loads in rent from income that is taxed far too much and is therefore unable to get on the property ladder.
    In terms of the key people, Rishi doesn't understand black of money and Boris doesn't understand money at all.

    What they do understand is electoral dynamics, and a coalition centred on the old and comfortable that reaches out into the old and precarious (by culture war) and the younger and comfortable (don't worry, you'll still get your inheritance) is pretty damn formidable.
  • MaxPB said:

    Taz said:

    Maybe there is a panic about the loss of the Tory poll lead and BoJo's rating collapse

    What did they expect ? Surely they have advisers who would have been able to foresee this.
    I honestly don't think they did see it, the Tory party just seems to have forgotten how difficult it is to be a young worker on £18-40k all over the country. They've become the party of the comfortable and wealthy (people like me, ostensibly) who have no social conscience (so really only people like HYFUD). No one at the top table has any insight into the life of a 20 or 30 something living in a shared house paying shit loads in rent from income that is taxed far too much and is therefore unable to get on the property ladder.
    Is that new? There are echoes of Theresa May's complaints about the trustafarians around David Cameron having lost touch with the parties JAM (just about managing) supporters in the country, and also with New Labour losing touch with its roots (what we would now call the red wall seats).

    By and large the people running the country are from a very narrow clique who know each other socially or from school or even old romantic entanglements. It is like 1960 or even 1910 in some ways.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 10,808
    Carnyx said:

    FPT

    Unless I’m very much mistaken, the Chief Whip
    @Mark_Spencer
    just walked into No 10.

    Plus Director of Communications Jack Doyle has now also arrived.

    Strange for a Sunday afternoon…Eyes

    https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1437072810292269068

    What could this mean?
    Boris Johnson does what Dave failed to do.

    Ennoble me and make me Foreign Secretary.
    I'm not sure we're ready for a war with France
    We are always ready for a war with France.
    Not sure. A chunk of one of Pam's Forts, Hurst Castle, fell into the sea the other month.

    MoD* slacking off, I expect. *

    * OK, by dumping it on English Heritage, poor souls. But still.
    Isn't the French aircraft carrier just about to go on its holidays? Been on patrol since Feb.

    What's the status of the PoW? In service yet?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 26,209
    Looking at the pic of Verstappen's wheel on top of Hamilton's car: is it me, or did Hamilton's Halo actually break? Look at the blue line above the 'Crowdstrike' text. Or was that within limits of deformation?

    https://ibb.co/Wg09zTB
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,963

    Looking at the pic of Verstappen's wheel on top of Hamilton's car: is it me, or did Hamilton's Halo actually break? Look at the blue line above the 'Crowdstrike' text. Or was that within limits of deformation?

    https://ibb.co/Wg09zTB

    It’s a carbon cover on top of the metal Halo structure that you can see deforming.

    Wouldn’t be surprised if that helmet has a rubber mark on it.
  • Scott_xP said:

    FPT

    Unless I’m very much mistaken, the Chief Whip
    @Mark_Spencer
    just walked into No 10.

    Plus Director of Communications Jack Doyle has now also arrived.

    Strange for a Sunday afternoon…Eyes

    https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1437072810292269068

    The reshuffle rumours continue, but BoZo could do worse than sack Priti Patel for a start
    Seems a bit theatrical for a planned reshuffle or even trouble with the vote this week. It smells more like heading off a story that is about to break.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,719
    edited September 12
    Just caught up on F1. Verstappen is a c*nt. He needs banning from F1.

    And Martin Brundle needs pensioning off.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 31,858

    MaxPB said:

    Taz said:

    Maybe there is a panic about the loss of the Tory poll lead and BoJo's rating collapse

    What did they expect ? Surely they have advisers who would have been able to foresee this.
    I honestly don't think they did see it, the Tory party just seems to have forgotten how difficult it is to be a young worker on £18-40k all over the country. They've become the party of the comfortable and wealthy (people like me, ostensibly) who have no social conscience (so really only people like HYFUD). No one at the top table has any insight into the life of a 20 or 30 something living in a shared house paying shit loads in rent from income that is taxed far too much and is therefore unable to get on the property ladder.
    In terms of the key people, Rishi doesn't understand black of money and Boris doesn't understand money at all.

    What they do understand is electoral dynamics, and a coalition centred on the old and comfortable that reaches out into the old and precarious (by culture war) and the younger and comfortable (don't worry, you'll still get your inheritance) is pretty damn formidable.
    It's much less formidable than they think, without working people aged between 30 and 50 a majority is out of reach and people in this age category aren't inheriting anything for another 10-30 years at least.

    At least 3 members I know personally who campaigned for Leave in 2016 and Boris in 2019 have cancelled their membership and won't vote for the Tories until Boris is gone and the scope of this tax is widened to include retired people and unearned income. That's people who paid to campaign for the Tories for many years abandoning the party. Voters will be even less forgiving.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 26,209
    edited September 12
    Sandpit said:

    Looking at the pic of Verstappen's wheel on top of Hamilton's car: is it me, or did Hamilton's Halo actually break? Look at the blue line above the 'Crowdstrike' text. Or was that within limits of deformation?

    https://ibb.co/Wg09zTB

    It’s a carbon cover on top of the metal Halo structure that you can see deforming.

    Wouldn’t be surprised if that helmet has a rubber mark on it.
    Thanks.

    Edit: apparently Hamilton has a sore neck: https://twitter.com/sophwebsterxx/status/1437068836939911173

    Lucky guy.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,963
    tlg86 said:

    Just caught up on F1. Verstappen is a c*nt. He needs banning from F1.

    And Martin Brundle needs pensioning off.

    Can we put you down as on the fence?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,719
    Sandpit said:

    tlg86 said:

    Just caught up on F1. Verstappen is a c*nt. He needs banning from F1.

    And Martin Brundle needs pensioning off.

    Can we put you down as on the fence?
    Lap 1 - Verstappen leaves Hamilton no space, so Hamilton takes to the runoff. Hamilton does leave Verstappen space and the **** decides to ram into the side of Hamilton.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,963
    edited September 12

    Sandpit said:

    Looking at the pic of Verstappen's wheel on top of Hamilton's car: is it me, or did Hamilton's Halo actually break? Look at the blue line above the 'Crowdstrike' text. Or was that within limits of deformation?

    https://ibb.co/Wg09zTB

    It’s a carbon cover on top of the metal Halo structure that you can see deforming.

    Wouldn’t be surprised if that helmet has a rubber mark on it.
    Thanks.

    Edit: apparently Hamilton has a sore neck: https://twitter.com/sophwebsterxx/status/1437068836939911173

    Lucky guy.
    I’m trying to find a pic from the right angle, but the green coloured piece is actually an aerodynamic piece, that’s held up on the of the whole Halo device with a number of small supports.

    Edit: https://careta.my/sites/default/files/2021-03/Evdztj2XUAMjUHt.jpg
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 44,594
    Selebian said:

    Ways for Raducanu not to win SPoTY, in order of increasing certainty:
    - publicly renounce her British citizenship
    - say something outrageously racist/homophobic
    - express solidarity with Meghan Markle
    - kick a dog on camera

    Still sitting this one out though. Closest I got to a bet was on Daley just after he won gold as I thought he'd likely come in as it reached the news reports and papers with a view to laying later (he did, I should have, but nevermind)

    @Sandpit (was it?) strategy of laying everyone who just won gold at the olympics looks like it will pay off though...

    You forget one - expressing support for the killing of llamas with TB.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 26,209
    edited September 12
    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:

    FPT

    Unless I’m very much mistaken, the Chief Whip
    @Mark_Spencer
    just walked into No 10.

    Plus Director of Communications Jack Doyle has now also arrived.

    Strange for a Sunday afternoon…Eyes

    https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1437072810292269068

    What could this mean?
    Boris Johnson does what Dave failed to do.

    Ennoble me and make me Foreign Secretary.
    I'm not sure we're ready for a war with France
    We are always ready for a war with France.
    Not sure. A chunk of one of Pam's Forts, Hurst Castle, fell into the sea the other month.

    MoD* slacking off, I expect. *

    * OK, by dumping it on English Heritage, poor souls. But still.
    Isn't the French aircraft carrier just about to go on its holidays? Been on patrol since Feb.

    What's the status of the PoW? In service yet?
    As it did at-sea replenishment a few days ago, it's probably out at sea. Don't know if that's in service, training, or trials:
    https://twitter.com/hmspwls?lang=en

    edit: a couple of years ago I was at Portsmouth Historic Dockyard whilst PoW was in dock. Even from a distance, the scale of the thing was amazing. Those two ships are impressive in scale.

    As an aside, 11 years ago we got married on HMS Warrior. My dad asked to drive the bride to the ship, as it meant driving his car through the proper naval dockyard, for which he had an armed escort. He enjoyed that immensely!
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,097
    I think it would result in better politics if certain things were more openly presented. Here are two suggestions:

    1. All salaries (inc. adverts and payslips) expressed as both cash and total benefit with the pension contribution value set using a standard formula prescribed by independent body and varying as required to give accurate representation. The real cost and benefit of defined benefit pensions would be stated NOT the contributions. Employer's NI also shown clearly.

    2. Hypothicate NHS, pension and social security parts of personal taxation. NHS totally funded from the personal tax elements apart from relevant sin taxes so that payslip show £XX to NHS as part of ZZ% funding from personal taxes.

    The main thing is to make things more apparent and to educate the electorate in the realities of life.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 52,012
    The announcement Campbell was editing the book was greeted by a cheer almost as loud as the one that welcomed Salmond.

    No doubt now, Alba is Cyber Nationalism made physical.


    https://twitter.com/conor_matchett/status/1437077250810204160?s=20
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 43,205

    Selebian said:

    Ways for Raducanu not to win SPoTY, in order of increasing certainty:
    - publicly renounce her British citizenship
    - say something outrageously racist/homophobic
    - express solidarity with Meghan Markle
    - kick a dog on camera

    Still sitting this one out though. Closest I got to a bet was on Daley just after he won gold as I thought he'd likely come in as it reached the news reports and papers with a view to laying later (he did, I should have, but nevermind)

    @Sandpit (was it?) strategy of laying everyone who just won gold at the olympics looks like it will pay off though...

    You forget one - expressing support for the killing of llamas with TB.
    Mention that she doesn't pay NI on her winnings?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 44,594
    ydoethur said:

    Selebian said:

    Ways for Raducanu not to win SPoTY, in order of increasing certainty:
    - publicly renounce her British citizenship
    - say something outrageously racist/homophobic
    - express solidarity with Meghan Markle
    - kick a dog on camera

    Still sitting this one out though. Closest I got to a bet was on Daley just after he won gold as I thought he'd likely come in as it reached the news reports and papers with a view to laying later (he did, I should have, but nevermind)

    @Sandpit (was it?) strategy of laying everyone who just won gold at the olympics looks like it will pay off though...

    You forget one - expressing support for the killing of llamas with TB.
    Mention that she doesn't pay NI on her winnings?
    We have a winner. :lol:
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,719
    On topic. Hamilton winning the title on the day of the vote could stop Emma from winning. But the way things are going, that doesn't look likely.
  • True this and on topic.


  • CharlesCharles Posts: 34,927
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Taz said:

    Maybe there is a panic about the loss of the Tory poll lead and BoJo's rating collapse

    What did they expect ? Surely they have advisers who would have been able to foresee this.
    I honestly don't think they did see it, the Tory party just seems to have forgotten how difficult it is to be a young worker on £18-40k all over the country. They've become the party of the comfortable and wealthy (people like me, ostensibly) who have no social conscience (so really only people like HYFUD). No one at the top table has any insight into the life of a 20 or 30 something living in a shared house paying shit loads in rent from income that is taxed far too much and is therefore unable to get on the property ladder.
    In terms of the key people, Rishi doesn't understand black of money and Boris doesn't understand money at all.

    What they do understand is electoral dynamics, and a coalition centred on the old and comfortable that reaches out into the old and precarious (by culture war) and the younger and comfortable (don't worry, you'll still get your inheritance) is pretty damn formidable.
    It's much less formidable than they think, without working people aged between 30 and 50 a majority is out of reach and people in this age category aren't inheriting anything for another 10-30 years at least.

    At least 3 members I know personally who campaigned for Leave in 2016 and Boris in 2019 have cancelled their membership and won't vote for the Tories until Boris is gone and the scope of this tax is widened to include retired people and unearned income. That's people who paid to campaign for the Tories for many years abandoning the party. Voters will be even less forgiving.
    Retired people who are giving up a 5.5% rise in pensions? So a contribution of about £393 so equivalent to the 1.25% on someone earning just over £31k

    Seems pretty fair to me
  • MaxPB said:

    Taz said:

    Maybe there is a panic about the loss of the Tory poll lead and BoJo's rating collapse

    What did they expect ? Surely they have advisers who would have been able to foresee this.
    I honestly don't think they did see it, the Tory party just seems to have forgotten how difficult it is to be a young worker on £18-40k all over the country. They've become the party of the comfortable and wealthy (people like me, ostensibly) who have no social conscience (so really only people like HYFUD). No one at the top table has any insight into the life of a 20 or 30 something living in a shared house paying shit loads in rent from income that is taxed far too much and is therefore unable to get on the property ladder.
    They don't know because they don't want to know. They don't give two shits. They're a party for the donor class and the elderly. That's enough for them to win, apparently, and that's all that counts.
  • Charles said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Taz said:

    Maybe there is a panic about the loss of the Tory poll lead and BoJo's rating collapse

    What did they expect ? Surely they have advisers who would have been able to foresee this.
    I honestly don't think they did see it, the Tory party just seems to have forgotten how difficult it is to be a young worker on £18-40k all over the country. They've become the party of the comfortable and wealthy (people like me, ostensibly) who have no social conscience (so really only people like HYFUD). No one at the top table has any insight into the life of a 20 or 30 something living in a shared house paying shit loads in rent from income that is taxed far too much and is therefore unable to get on the property ladder.
    In terms of the key people, Rishi doesn't understand black of money and Boris doesn't understand money at all.

    What they do understand is electoral dynamics, and a coalition centred on the old and comfortable that reaches out into the old and precarious (by culture war) and the younger and comfortable (don't worry, you'll still get your inheritance) is pretty damn formidable.
    It's much less formidable than they think, without working people aged between 30 and 50 a majority is out of reach and people in this age category aren't inheriting anything for another 10-30 years at least.

    At least 3 members I know personally who campaigned for Leave in 2016 and Boris in 2019 have cancelled their membership and won't vote for the Tories until Boris is gone and the scope of this tax is widened to include retired people and unearned income. That's people who paid to campaign for the Tories for many years abandoning the party. Voters will be even less forgiving.
    Retired people who are giving up a 5.5% rise in pensions? So a contribution of about £393 so equivalent to the 1.25% on someone earning just over £31k

    Seems pretty fair to me
    Err the incomes on pensioners are still going up whilst the workers pay more.

    Doesn't seem fair to me.
  • eekeek Posts: 15,817
    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Taz said:

    Maybe there is a panic about the loss of the Tory poll lead and BoJo's rating collapse

    What did they expect ? Surely they have advisers who would have been able to foresee this.
    I honestly don't think they did see it, the Tory party just seems to have forgotten how difficult it is to be a young worker on £18-40k all over the country. They've become the party of the comfortable and wealthy (people like me, ostensibly) who have no social conscience (so really only people like HYFUD). No one at the top table has any insight into the life of a 20 or 30 something living in a shared house paying shit loads in rent from income that is taxed far too much and is therefore unable to get on the property ladder.
    In terms of the key people, Rishi doesn't understand black of money and Boris doesn't understand money at all.

    What they do understand is electoral dynamics, and a coalition centred on the old and comfortable that reaches out into the old and precarious (by culture war) and the younger and comfortable (don't worry, you'll still get your inheritance) is pretty damn formidable.
    It's much less formidable than they think, without working people aged between 30 and 50 a majority is out of reach and people in this age category aren't inheriting anything for another 10-30 years at least.

    At least 3 members I know personally who campaigned for Leave in 2016 and Boris in 2019 have cancelled their membership and won't vote for the Tories until Boris is gone and the scope of this tax is widened to include retired people and unearned income. That's people who paid to campaign for the Tories for many years abandoning the party. Voters will be even less forgiving.
    Retired people who are giving up a 5.5% rise in pensions? So a contribution of about £393 so equivalent to the 1.25% on someone earning just over £31k

    Seems pretty fair to me
    Only the very poorest are giving up a 5.5% rise in pensions..
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 2,645
    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Taz said:

    Maybe there is a panic about the loss of the Tory poll lead and BoJo's rating collapse

    What did they expect ? Surely they have advisers who would have been able to foresee this.
    I honestly don't think they did see it, the Tory party just seems to have forgotten how difficult it is to be a young worker on £18-40k all over the country. They've become the party of the comfortable and wealthy (people like me, ostensibly) who have no social conscience (so really only people like HYFUD). No one at the top table has any insight into the life of a 20 or 30 something living in a shared house paying shit loads in rent from income that is taxed far too much and is therefore unable to get on the property ladder.
    In terms of the key people, Rishi doesn't understand black of money and Boris doesn't understand money at all.

    What they do understand is electoral dynamics, and a coalition centred on the old and comfortable that reaches out into the old and precarious (by culture war) and the younger and comfortable (don't worry, you'll still get your inheritance) is pretty damn formidable.
    It's much less formidable than they think, without working people aged between 30 and 50 a majority is out of reach and people in this age category aren't inheriting anything for another 10-30 years at least.

    At least 3 members I know personally who campaigned for Leave in 2016 and Boris in 2019 have cancelled their membership and won't vote for the Tories until Boris is gone and the scope of this tax is widened to include retired people and unearned income. That's people who paid to campaign for the Tories for many years abandoning the party. Voters will be even less forgiving.
    Retired people who are giving up a 5.5% rise in pensions? So a contribution of about £393 so equivalent to the 1.25% on someone earning just over £31k

    Seems pretty fair to me
    Grotesque.

    They're 'giving up' a notional rise which is more or less proportional to the economic misery younger people have suffered to protect them.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,526
    edited September 12
    MaxPB said:

    Taz said:

    Maybe there is a panic about the loss of the Tory poll lead and BoJo's rating collapse

    What did they expect ? Surely they have advisers who would have been able to foresee this.
    I honestly don't think they did see it, the Tory party just seems to have forgotten how difficult it is to be a young worker on £18-40k all over the country. They've become the party of the comfortable and wealthy (people like me, ostensibly) who have no social conscience (so really only people like HYFUD). No one at the top table has any insight into the life of a 20 or 30 something living in a shared house paying shit loads in rent from income that is taxed far too much and is therefore unable to get on the property ladder.
    Just thinking about my time as a graduate student and young professional in rented accommodation ranging from good to cold & damp (though I got out of that last shared house before the loo fell into the kitchen). 3-4 years of work but with some luxuries* meant accumulating a deposit with a little help from M&D and buying a house on my own admittedly in a not very expensive area - but not a bad one at all: quite trendy.

    How on earth would I have felt freezing in the winters if I had 30+ more years of the same?

    *Not avocado.

  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 4,654
    maaarsh said:

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Taz said:

    Maybe there is a panic about the loss of the Tory poll lead and BoJo's rating collapse

    What did they expect ? Surely they have advisers who would have been able to foresee this.
    I honestly don't think they did see it, the Tory party just seems to have forgotten how difficult it is to be a young worker on £18-40k all over the country. They've become the party of the comfortable and wealthy (people like me, ostensibly) who have no social conscience (so really only people like HYFUD). No one at the top table has any insight into the life of a 20 or 30 something living in a shared house paying shit loads in rent from income that is taxed far too much and is therefore unable to get on the property ladder.
    In terms of the key people, Rishi doesn't understand black of money and Boris doesn't understand money at all.

    What they do understand is electoral dynamics, and a coalition centred on the old and comfortable that reaches out into the old and precarious (by culture war) and the younger and comfortable (don't worry, you'll still get your inheritance) is pretty damn formidable.
    It's much less formidable than they think, without working people aged between 30 and 50 a majority is out of reach and people in this age category aren't inheriting anything for another 10-30 years at least.

    At least 3 members I know personally who campaigned for Leave in 2016 and Boris in 2019 have cancelled their membership and won't vote for the Tories until Boris is gone and the scope of this tax is widened to include retired people and unearned income. That's people who paid to campaign for the Tories for many years abandoning the party. Voters will be even less forgiving.
    Retired people who are giving up a 5.5% rise in pensions? So a contribution of about £393 so equivalent to the 1.25% on someone earning just over £31k

    Seems pretty fair to me
    Grotesque.

    They're 'giving up' a notional rise which is more or less proportional to the economic misery younger people have suffered to protect them.
    Economic misery.. laughable.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,719
    edited September 12

    True this and on topic.


    Given the contempt most people on here have for the US judicial system, this is a surprising post.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,368
    F1: worth recalling that the stewards have previously said that the outcome of an incident (referring to Silverstone) does not have an impact on any ruling regarding the incident itself.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 2,991

    True this and on topic.


    I posted that quote on the last thread. Plagiarism again, TSE.
  • tlg86 said:

    True this and on topic.


    Given the contempt most people on here have the US judicial system, this is a surprising post.
    This is an Iran vs. Iraq moment for me.

    I'm utterly outraged by the defence being espoused by Prince Andrew and his defenders.

    Prince Andrew's legal team could try to get sex abuse allegations against him by a victim of Jeffrey Epstein thrown out of court by saying he had diplomatic immunity because he was a trade envoy at the time, it has been claimed.

    Top US lawyer Spencer Kuvin suggested that Andrew's legal team may claim the Duke of York - who was a trade envoy in 2001, when Virginia Giuffre alleges that he raped and sexually abused her - had immunity in America.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9896555/Prince-Andrews-lawyers-say-diplomatic-immunity-sex-abuse-lawsuit.html
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 26,209
    tlg86 said:

    True this and on topic.


    Given the contempt most people on here have for the US judicial system, this is a surprising post.
    Yes, I'd hate to be facing a UK court - I'm not a lawyer, and it's not an environment I'm used to. I'd be sh*t-scared of a US court, even for a minor charge. My knowledge of the US laws and court system is essentially non-existent, and that would just add to the fear factor.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,719

    tlg86 said:

    True this and on topic.


    Given the contempt most people on here have the US judicial system, this is a surprising post.
    This is an Iran vs. Iraq moment for me.

    I'm utterly outraged by the defence being espoused by Prince Andrew and his defenders.

    Prince Andrew's legal team could try to get sex abuse allegations against him by a victim of Jeffrey Epstein thrown out of court by saying he had diplomatic immunity because he was a trade envoy at the time, it has been claimed.

    Top US lawyer Spencer Kuvin suggested that Andrew's legal team may claim the Duke of York - who was a trade envoy in 2001, when Virginia Giuffre alleges that he raped and sexually abused her - had immunity in America.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9896555/Prince-Andrews-lawyers-say-diplomatic-immunity-sex-abuse-lawsuit.html
    Citing the Daily Mail?
  • maaarsh said:

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Taz said:

    Maybe there is a panic about the loss of the Tory poll lead and BoJo's rating collapse

    What did they expect ? Surely they have advisers who would have been able to foresee this.
    I honestly don't think they did see it, the Tory party just seems to have forgotten how difficult it is to be a young worker on £18-40k all over the country. They've become the party of the comfortable and wealthy (people like me, ostensibly) who have no social conscience (so really only people like HYFUD). No one at the top table has any insight into the life of a 20 or 30 something living in a shared house paying shit loads in rent from income that is taxed far too much and is therefore unable to get on the property ladder.
    In terms of the key people, Rishi doesn't understand black of money and Boris doesn't understand money at all.

    What they do understand is electoral dynamics, and a coalition centred on the old and comfortable that reaches out into the old and precarious (by culture war) and the younger and comfortable (don't worry, you'll still get your inheritance) is pretty damn formidable.
    It's much less formidable than they think, without working people aged between 30 and 50 a majority is out of reach and people in this age category aren't inheriting anything for another 10-30 years at least.

    At least 3 members I know personally who campaigned for Leave in 2016 and Boris in 2019 have cancelled their membership and won't vote for the Tories until Boris is gone and the scope of this tax is widened to include retired people and unearned income. That's people who paid to campaign for the Tories for many years abandoning the party. Voters will be even less forgiving.
    Retired people who are giving up a 5.5% rise in pensions? So a contribution of about £393 so equivalent to the 1.25% on someone earning just over £31k

    Seems pretty fair to me
    Grotesque.

    They're 'giving up' a notional rise which is more or less proportional to the economic misery younger people have suffered to protect them.
    That's the rich pensioners. Look at the poor ones and for them this is like (not precisely the same as) cancelling the UC uplift. The state pension pays less than £10,000 a year and for those who depend on it as their only source of income, who aren't staying on in a cushy £60,000 office job or supplementing a private pension, the triple lock matters.
  • tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    True this and on topic.


    Given the contempt most people on here have the US judicial system, this is a surprising post.
    This is an Iran vs. Iraq moment for me.

    I'm utterly outraged by the defence being espoused by Prince Andrew and his defenders.

    Prince Andrew's legal team could try to get sex abuse allegations against him by a victim of Jeffrey Epstein thrown out of court by saying he had diplomatic immunity because he was a trade envoy at the time, it has been claimed.

    Top US lawyer Spencer Kuvin suggested that Andrew's legal team may claim the Duke of York - who was a trade envoy in 2001, when Virginia Giuffre alleges that he raped and sexually abused her - had immunity in America.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9896555/Prince-Andrews-lawyers-say-diplomatic-immunity-sex-abuse-lawsuit.html
    Citing the Daily Mail?
    I can cite other publications like OK

    https://www.ok.co.uk/royal/royal-news/prince-andrew-sovereign-immunity-explained-24737076

    Or those behind paywalls.
  • True this and on topic.


    I posted that quote on the last thread. Plagiarism again, TSE.
    Ooops.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,719
    Everyone has the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty. And as much as we might not like it, lots of bad people get off on technicalities. Everyone has the right to use the law to their advantage.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 44,594

    maaarsh said:

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Taz said:

    Maybe there is a panic about the loss of the Tory poll lead and BoJo's rating collapse

    What did they expect ? Surely they have advisers who would have been able to foresee this.
    I honestly don't think they did see it, the Tory party just seems to have forgotten how difficult it is to be a young worker on £18-40k all over the country. They've become the party of the comfortable and wealthy (people like me, ostensibly) who have no social conscience (so really only people like HYFUD). No one at the top table has any insight into the life of a 20 or 30 something living in a shared house paying shit loads in rent from income that is taxed far too much and is therefore unable to get on the property ladder.
    In terms of the key people, Rishi doesn't understand black of money and Boris doesn't understand money at all.

    What they do understand is electoral dynamics, and a coalition centred on the old and comfortable that reaches out into the old and precarious (by culture war) and the younger and comfortable (don't worry, you'll still get your inheritance) is pretty damn formidable.
    It's much less formidable than they think, without working people aged between 30 and 50 a majority is out of reach and people in this age category aren't inheriting anything for another 10-30 years at least.

    At least 3 members I know personally who campaigned for Leave in 2016 and Boris in 2019 have cancelled their membership and won't vote for the Tories until Boris is gone and the scope of this tax is widened to include retired people and unearned income. That's people who paid to campaign for the Tories for many years abandoning the party. Voters will be even less forgiving.
    Retired people who are giving up a 5.5% rise in pensions? So a contribution of about £393 so equivalent to the 1.25% on someone earning just over £31k

    Seems pretty fair to me
    Grotesque.

    They're 'giving up' a notional rise which is more or less proportional to the economic misery younger people have suffered to protect them.
    That's the rich pensioners. Look at the poor ones and for them this is like (not precisely the same as) cancelling the UC uplift. The state pension pays less than £10,000 a year and for those who depend on it as their only source of income, who aren't staying on in a cushy £60,000 office job or supplementing a private pension, the triple lock matters.
    True. But the intended effect of the Triple Lock remains, keeping pace with inflation or average earnings rises. Pensioners will get a rise. We have one-off statistical weirdness for a year thanks to pandemic and lockdown and so on.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,368
    Mr. 86, pressure on Prince Andrew would be significantly higher if it weren't for the Anne Sacoolas case. It's completely unfair that that matters, for some, but the obvious comparison is there to be made.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 31,982
    The newsreader on the BBC news now looks a bit like what Emma Raducanu might look like in 30 years time.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,887
    edited September 12
    tlg86 said:

    Everyone has the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty. And as much as we might not like it, lots of bad people get off on technicalities. Everyone has the right to use the law to their advantage.

    But think of the optics.

    Rather than rebut the allegations he's arguing you cannot charge him.

    It is reminiscent of those MPs who were charged for fraud over their expenses trying to have the charged dismissed because only Parliament can take action against them.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,719
    I wonder if Raducanu might suffer from people thinking "she'll have plenty of changes to win SPoTY in years to come, let's give it to Tom Daley this year"?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 16,883
    3 place grid penalty for VER
  • tlg86 said:

    I wonder if Raducanu might suffer from people thinking "she'll have plenty of changes to win SPoTY in years to come, let's give it to Tom Daley this year"?

    I think her big problem is a lack of visibility.

    She's not been on the TV as much of the other contenders.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,719

    tlg86 said:

    Everyone has the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty. And as much as we might not like it, lots of bad people get off on technicalities. Everyone has the right to use the law to their advantage.

    But think of the optics.

    Rather than rebut the allegations he's arguing you cannot charge.

    It is reminiscent of those MPs who were charged for fraud over their expenses trying to have the charged dismissed because only Parliament can take action against them.
    Hang on, were those MPs in the right? And is Andrew in the right? If you're not in the right, then you look pretty stupid, but no one is obliged to prove their innocence.

    Tell me, how do you feel about Cristiano Ronaldo? I thought that banner at OT yesterday was utterly despicable.
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