The voting segment that is most hostile to BoJo – ABC1 Remainers – politicalbetting.com

StuartDickson said:

Black_Rook said:

StuartDickson said:

There is another “voting segment” that is hostile to BoJo:

BoJo net approval Opinium

London +19
South +2
Midlands -6
North -11
NI -13
Wales -16
Scotland -33

***DODGY SUBSAMPLE KLAXON***

No way on Earth Johnson's support is highest in London

Fair enough. We’ll just throw Mike’s conclusions in the bin.

Only sane conclusion:
Scotland loves BoJo!

Logic suggests that the Scottish number is probably right. However, not everything is all about Scotland, is it?

Am drunk on monkey 47 gin in an open top bar by the blue Mediterranean while watching amazing football. This, my friends, THIS is contentment

OK sex is better but this is still good. Viva Europa!

Floater said:

Cyclefree said:

Re the Gmail accounts for Ministers, if anyone at work sent any work material (not just very confidential stuff) to a private email address, it was automatically a disciplinary offence - sometimes leading to dismissal.

I am surprised that it isn't the same in government - not the disciplinaries - but the absolute ban on non-government email accounts. It is utterly insecure and very very poor practice.

Same in my industry - it is astounding that private companies take security more seriously than the Government.

As for the docs left at a bus stop.....

Security at many companies went out of the window with WFH.

£25 on France at 1.71 for me here, Spain were shorter against Croatia which I thought wasn't right.

Black_Rook said:

kinabalu said:

Black_Rook said:

kinabalu said:

Andy_JS said:

kinabalu said:

Andy_JS said:

On topic, isn't it strange that C2DE Remainers are more pro-Boris than C2DE Leavers?

It is - and the answer to why is (I sense) of profound import. We should get working on it. Has he disappointed blue collar Leavers in some way perhaps? Was our Brexit not hard enough for them? This would explain why their Remainer equivalents are relatively more supportive.

It may be just a statistical anomaly. But interesting if confirmed by further research/polls.

Yes - and tbh I'm dubious.

Theory: the C2DE Remainers mostly wanted to Leave as well, but were frightened by predictions of economic catastrophe into backing what Cameron wanted. Catastrophe failed to happen, so now they have repudiated their previous allegiance and back Boris with the zealousness of converts. Or something.

Yes, has legs. I've always said the 'mood' of the country - England - was far more Leave than the technical result of the vote.

It's all down to money and the fear of losing it. If Project Fear (of Being Poor) wasn't as successful as it turned out to be, then both the Leave vote in England and the Yes vote in Scotland would've won by landslides.

Scotland's Parliament only asked to join a Union with England in the first place in the late 17th century because of money, it needed a bailout after the failure of the Darien Scheme.

Similarly the UK joined the Common Market in 1973 because it needed a new trade area to sell its goods in after the end of the Empire

Taz said:

JosiasJessop said:

Taz said:

Omnium said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Taz said:

ping said:

Croatia!!
3-3

Great game

Oh dear, and I have been watching a YouTube video on how to make Turkish poached eggs

Now I'm curious what the difference is between a regular poached egg and a Turkish one.

Switched the game on due to the messages here. Great attempt by Croatia then straight away at the start of Extra Time.

I think that they poach eggs in other things (like mashed tomatoes rather than water), and then eat them together.

Nope. They did the poached egg in the normal way but then got some, well I cannot call it Greek but strained, yoghurt. Crushed a garlic clove. Mixed it into the yoghurt. Presented the yoghurt on a plate and made a hole for,the egg. It had a melted butter sauce on top. Looked lovely.

Mrs J makes a delicious dip called Cacik, which is yoghurt, garlic, cucumber and herbs. It goes really well with rice, and takes the heat out of curries. It also goes well with Turkish meatballs (aka meatballs). The Greek Tzatziki is basically the same sort of thing.

A lot of these cuisines are very similar. I will have to look up Cacik and have a go at It. I always like making new recipes.

The word tzatziki is actually borrowed from Turkish cacık so it's pretty much the same thing. https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/τζατζίκι

Gardenwalker said:

Why is Number 10 claiming there was no private email use at the Department of Health when there is clear evidence that there was - and probably still is?

Because they lie a lot ?

Nigelb said:

kle4 said:

Cyclefree said:

Re the Gmail accounts for Ministers, if anyone at work sent any work material (not just very confidential stuff) to a private email address, it was automatically a disciplinary offence - sometimes leading to dismissal.

I am surprised that it isn't the same in government - not the disciplinaries - but the absolute ban on non-government email accounts. It is utterly insecure and very very poor practice.

No matter how often ministers are caught doing it around the world they keep doing it. They think people are stupid and they will get away with it forever. They cannot pretend they don't know they are not supposed to do it, given people have been caught in the past, but they just cannot help themselves.

This government is far from unique in that, but it’s certainly near the top of the scale for ministers believing the rules don’t apply to them.

Consider the Nimrod fiasco.

Due to demented specification (partly the previous governments fault) combined with dodgy airframes which had been mis-built in the first place, HMG came the proud owners of aircraft that the air safety people said were not only un-airworthy, but were not practical to make airworthy.

So, the Top Men said, we will do what we always do - get someone to issue an order that the air safety people in the RAF have to declare the planes fit for service. Under threat of court martial.

Ooops - it turns out that modern law means that while you can give such an order and they can be forced to obey it... but the order would make the person doing the ordering legally responsible! So if a plane crashed, someone might actually have to go to prison. A Top Man at that!

Ah said the Top Men - we will get a Minister to give the go ahead.

The problem was that the Minister (sensibly) told them to FO. In horror, the Top Men declared that this was a disgrace!

So the planes were scrapped. And everyone got their knighthoods.

HYUFD said:

Black_Rook said:

kinabalu said:

Black_Rook said:

kinabalu said:

Andy_JS said:

kinabalu said:

Andy_JS said:

On topic, isn't it strange that C2DE Remainers are more pro-Boris than C2DE Leavers?

It is - and the answer to why is (I sense) of profound import. We should get working on it. Has he disappointed blue collar Leavers in some way perhaps? Was our Brexit not hard enough for them? This would explain why their Remainer equivalents are relatively more supportive.

It may be just a statistical anomaly. But interesting if confirmed by further research/polls.

Yes - and tbh I'm dubious.

Theory: the C2DE Remainers mostly wanted to Leave as well, but were frightened by predictions of economic catastrophe into backing what Cameron wanted. Catastrophe failed to happen, so now they have repudiated their previous allegiance and back Boris with the zealousness of converts. Or something.

Yes, has legs. I've always said the 'mood' of the country - England - was far more Leave than the technical result of the vote.

It's all down to money and the fear of losing it. If Project Fear (of Being Poor) wasn't as successful as it turned out to be, then both the Leave vote in England and the Yes vote in Scotland would've won by landslides.

Scotland's Parliament only asked to join a Union with England in the first place in the late 17th century because of money, it needed a bailout after the failure of the Darien Scheme.

Similarly the UK joined the Common Market in 1973 because it needed a new trade area to sell its goods in after the end of the Empire

Congratulations to you and your other half.

Black_Rook said:

HYUFD said:

Black_Rook said:

kinabalu said:

Black_Rook said:

kinabalu said:

Andy_JS said:

kinabalu said:

Andy_JS said:

On topic, isn't it strange that C2DE Remainers are more pro-Boris than C2DE Leavers?

It is - and the answer to why is (I sense) of profound import. We should get working on it. Has he disappointed blue collar Leavers in some way perhaps? Was our Brexit not hard enough for them? This would explain why their Remainer equivalents are relatively more supportive.

It may be just a statistical anomaly. But interesting if confirmed by further research/polls.

Yes - and tbh I'm dubious.

Theory: the C2DE Remainers mostly wanted to Leave as well, but were frightened by predictions of economic catastrophe into backing what Cameron wanted. Catastrophe failed to happen, so now they have repudiated their previous allegiance and back Boris with the zealousness of converts. Or something.

Yes, has legs. I've always said the 'mood' of the country - England - was far more Leave than the technical result of the vote.

It's all down to money and the fear of losing it. If Project Fear (of Being Poor) wasn't as successful as it turned out to be, then both the Leave vote in England and the Yes vote in Scotland would've won by landslides.

Scotland's Parliament only asked to join a Union with England in the first place because of money, it needed a bailout after the failure of the Darien Scheme.

Partly true. The English Parliament played a game of carrot and stick: on the one hand, access to the colonies, debt pooling and a great big sackload of cash; on the other, trade sanctions if you don't do what we want.

AIUI the Scots ruling class liked the deal; the ordinary folk weren't necessarily so enthusiastic.

There was no referendum so we will never know, however 55% of their descendants voted to stick with the deal just 7 years ago in a once in a generation poll on the Union

HYUFD said:

Black_Rook said:

kinabalu said:

Black_Rook said:

kinabalu said:

Andy_JS said:

kinabalu said:

Andy_JS said:

On topic, isn't it strange that C2DE Remainers are more pro-Boris than C2DE Leavers?

It is - and the answer to why is (I sense) of profound import. We should get working on it. Has he disappointed blue collar Leavers in some way perhaps? Was our Brexit not hard enough for them? This would explain why their Remainer equivalents are relatively more supportive.

It may be just a statistical anomaly. But interesting if confirmed by further research/polls.

Yes - and tbh I'm dubious.

Theory: the C2DE Remainers mostly wanted to Leave as well, but were frightened by predictions of economic catastrophe into backing what Cameron wanted. Catastrophe failed to happen, so now they have repudiated their previous allegiance and back Boris with the zealousness of converts. Or something.

Yes, has legs. I've always said the 'mood' of the country - England - was far more Leave than the technical result of the vote.

It's all down to money and the fear of losing it. If Project Fear (of Being Poor) wasn't as successful as it turned out to be, then both the Leave vote in England and the Yes vote in Scotland would've won by landslides.

Scotland's Parliament only asked to join a Union with England in the first place in the late 17th century because of money, it needed a bailout after the failure of the Darien Scheme.

Similarly the UK joined the Common Market in 1973 because it needed a new trade area to sell its goods in after the end of the Empire

The honeymoon is clearly over. Welcome back.

StuartDickson said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Euro 2020 Betfair prices and implied probabilities after Spain won.

1 France 5.5 18.2%
2 Italy 6 16.7%
3 Spain 6.4 15.6%
4 England 6.8 14.7%
5 Germany 8.4 11.9%
6 Belgium 10 10.0%
7 Denmark 13 7.7%
8 Czechia 38 2.6%
9 Sweden 55 1.8%
110 bar

Belgium is the value there.

Germany stands out to me. Only need to beat us and then clear favourites to reach the final.

MattW said:

That Turkish Egg recipe looks quite good. This is the BBC Good Food version:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/turkish_eggs_77109

Anyone want to try it and make suggestions?

To me it needs more of a veg component - tempted by tomatoes fresh from the tomato plant, and I might add a few slices of fried courgette. And make the toast into olive toast.

I'd eat it as is. A proper strained Greek yoghurt of course (Waitrose No 1 is good). I'd eat both portions and not bother with bread, to keep it low carb.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

Cyclefree said:

Sandpit said:

Cyclefree said:

Stuartinromford said:

Cyclefree said:

Re the Gmail accounts for Ministers, if anyone at work sent any work material (not just very confidential stuff) to a private email address, it was automatically a disciplinary offence - sometimes leading to dismissal.

I am surprised that it isn't the same in government - not the disciplinaries - but the absolute ban on non-government email accounts. It is utterly insecure and very very poor practice.

There's history here. You'll never (i.e. really easily) guess who.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2011/sep/20/michael-gove-department-private-email

Maybe this is a silly question. But is there not a Head of IT security in the civil service, in government departments etc?

What on earth is the point of having security services or, indeed, the Official Secrets Act, if all sorts of stuff is going to private email accounts which a child of 12 could probably easily hack?

I work in IT security, in significantly less important roles than governmental communications.

The issue is probably, as these things always are, with the governmental equivalent of the C-suite exempting themselves from the agreed rules, which are supposed to apply to everyone.

I am a little surprised that the security services don't insist on what is, frankly, pretty basic security protocol.

I did a case years ago involving insider dealing in the shares of a defence company with close ties to the government. All the bankers / traders were looked at but it was as clear as the sun in the sky that the leaks of inside information were coming from inside government. Indeed they barely bothered hiding it. It was an appalling - and doubtless very profitable - abuse of power.

This sort of poor security is incredibly dangerous.

And the government then has the nerve to suggest that we ought to trust them with our personal health and other data.

It’s astonishing that we’ve discovered today, that the SoS Heath’s office has a Chinese camera in it, the office is managed by a private management company, and the CCTV room is open to someone with a mobile phone to record it.

I’d have assumed that the ‘top floor’ offices in government departments would have Special Branch and MI5 all over them - but apparently not!

From what I was told a few years ago the government only really cares about security regarding the the following departments

1) The PM

2) The Treasury

3) FCO

4) Home Office

5) Defence

6) Northern Ireland

I think five of those six are the only ministers that have armed bodyguards.

If true an absolute nonsense of a policy. Are we saying we’re happy for conversations between Cabinet ministers in their own offices to be public knowledge? For easy collection of kompramat on people who are might be a heartbeat from becoming elected dictators? In the case of Gove and Hancock this year, 50% of the only decision making committee that matters?

There have been times in the last year where I’ve wondered whether there might have been foreign intervention of this sort, given the sometimes incompressible decision making. I dismissed my own thought as silly. Perhaps I shouldn’t have.

Alistair said:

Labour in to 5.3 from 7 earlier.

Take the profit?

I backed them at 6.6 earlier.

Gonna let it run.

DavidL said:

I am guessing 3-1 France in 90 minutes.

I feel this is Xherdan Shaqiri's night.

DavidL said:

The French anthem is epic. So much better than our dirge.

Given how much everyone loves La Marseillaise, how well known is it that the tune, with different lyrics, was also the rallying song of the Russian Revolution? The crowds all sang it when Lenin’s train arrived in St Petersburg. I was surprised when I recently found that out.
https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1409586970636918785

Over at Wimbledon, Murray is doing very well. His seeded opponent is a quality player, but Murray looks good for a straight sets win.

If he closes it out his reward will be a second round tie against a qualifier. The likely third round opponent, Denis Shapovalov (seeded 10,) wouldn't be so straightforward...

TheScreamingEagles said:

HYUFD said:

Black_Rook said:

kinabalu said:

Black_Rook said:

kinabalu said:

Andy_JS said:

kinabalu said:

Andy_JS said:

On topic, isn't it strange that C2DE Remainers are more pro-Boris than C2DE Leavers?

It is - and the answer to why is (I sense) of profound import. We should get working on it. Has he disappointed blue collar Leavers in some way perhaps? Was our Brexit not hard enough for them? This would explain why their Remainer equivalents are relatively more supportive.

It may be just a statistical anomaly. But interesting if confirmed by further research/polls.

Yes - and tbh I'm dubious.

Theory: the C2DE Remainers mostly wanted to Leave as well, but were frightened by predictions of economic catastrophe into backing what Cameron wanted. Catastrophe failed to happen, so now they have repudiated their previous allegiance and back Boris with the zealousness of converts. Or something.

Yes, has legs. I've always said the 'mood' of the country - England - was far more Leave than the technical result of the vote.

It's all down to money and the fear of losing it. If Project Fear (of Being Poor) wasn't as successful as it turned out to be, then both the Leave vote in England and the Yes vote in Scotland would've won by landslides.

Scotland's Parliament only asked to join a Union with England in the first place in the late 17th century because of money, it needed a bailout after the failure of the Darien Scheme.

Similarly the UK joined the Common Market in 1973 because it needed a new trade area to sell its goods in after the end of the Empire

Congratulations to you and your other half.

Well, to @HYUFD certainly. Quoad ultra not known and not admitted as we lawyers say. 😉

tlg86 said:

Flower of Scotland isn’t too bad.

It really is

While we are looking at anthems I completely agree the French one is a smasher but I also love Fratelli D’Italia.

Fishing said:

DavidL said:

The French anthem is epic. So much better than our dirge.

Very true. We should use Rule Britannia instead. Much more inspiring.

Nah, we should use Bohemian Rhapsody.

Just listen to this rendition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZnBNuqqz5g

DavidL said:

The French anthem is epic. So much better than our dirge.

It's not even a NATIONAL anthem, note it is "God Save the QUEEN", NOT "God Save the UK/Britain/England/Blighty".

Scott_xP said:

tlg86 said:

Flower of Scotland isn’t too bad.

It really is

Naah. Play it at a lively pace and put some umph into it. God Save the Queen can't be saved the same way without a rewrite

DavidL said:

The French anthem is epic. So much better than our dirge.

The Russian one is factually the best.

Black_Rook said:

Over at Wimbledon, Murray is doing very well. His seeded opponent is a quality player, but Murray looks good for a straight sets win.

If he closes it out his reward will be a second round tie against a qualifier. The likely third round opponent, Denis Shapovalov (seeded 10,) wouldn't be so straightforward...

On him at 200/1. Looking a real smug city.

MattW said:

That Turkish Egg recipe looks quite good. This is the BBC Good Food version:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/turkish_eggs_77109

Anyone want to try it and make suggestions?

To me it needs more of a veg component - tempted by tomatoes fresh from the tomato plant, and I might add a few slices of fried courgette. And make the toast into olive toast.

I make this with roasted aubergine.
It’s quite rich, and a total treat.

Most of the variations have tomato but I find this detracts from the essential savouriness. Sage and or roasted nigella seeds can also go in there somehow.

squareroot2 said:

Fishing said:

DavidL said:

The French anthem is epic. So much better than our dirge.

Very true. We should use Rule Britannia instead. Much more inspiring.

Embarrassing... when we don't rule thecwaves

But shamefully thanks to Boris Johnson we do waive the rules.

BigRich said:

moonshine said:

@Leon @Floater

Some interesting comments on UAP from Jack Reed, Chair of Senate Armed Services Committee:

“This is a real national security issue… needs to be closely examined…Congress must exercise proper oversight”.

Doesn’t sound like this report is sinking into the darkness to me.

https://amp.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/o9abrp/statement_from_sen_jack_reed_chair_of_the_armed/

Or if any body need translation, 'you should give my department even more money'.

Do you really honestly believe that’s the cause of all this? A bipartisan initiative involving gang of 8 members, ex presidents, ex CIA directors and numerous ex military personnel, all to motivate an increase in the US military budget? Engage your brain sir.

Jerusalem is a bloody dirge.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Jerusalem is a bloody dirge.

Yes, proper one hit wonder that lot. Should’ve just stuck with Vindaloo.

Lol Switzerland 1-0

Shakes things up a bit!

turbotubbs said:

kinabalu said:

Black_Rook said:

Over at Wimbledon, Murray is doing very well. His seeded opponent is a quality player, but Murray looks good for a straight sets win.

If he closes it out his reward will be a second round tie against a qualifier. The likely third round opponent, Denis Shapovalov (seeded 10,) wouldn't be so straightforward...

On him at 200/1. Looking a real smug city.

No chance. Jokovic unstoppable. Murray will not sustain 7 matches in 13 days with the lack of training he’s had.

I'll be laying him back at 16. That's the plan.

...

Andy_JS said:

StuartDickson said:

There is another “voting segment” that is hostile to BoJo:

BoJo net approval Opinium

London +19
South +2
Midlands -6
North -11
NI -13
Wales -16
Scotland -33

Those numbers look very odd. The opposite of what we normally see with regard to London, the Midlands and the North, for instance.

Can’t be right, can it? The opposite of how the votes have been going in England

DavidL said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

France look like they have turned up to play tonight.

Ha!

The sports sub committee of Independent SAGE prediction as accurate as ever....

Black_Rook said:

kinabalu said:

Black_Rook said:

Over at Wimbledon, Murray is doing very well. His seeded opponent is a quality player, but Murray looks good for a straight sets win.

If he closes it out his reward will be a second round tie against a qualifier. The likely third round opponent, Denis Shapovalov (seeded 10,) wouldn't be so straightforward...

On him at 200/1. Looking a real smug city.

Not wholly inconceivable, but would require Djokovic's arm/leg/head to fall off prior to their theoretical semi-final clash.

I'm a big Novak fan but I don't fancy him for this. Of course he wouldn't be a surprise winner.

FrancisUrquhart said:

ManchesterKurt said:

There maybe trouble ahead...

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/north-west-ambulance-service-battling-20924097

Manchester never seems to have waves, just slight lulls.

I spent the day in Manchester today.

You wouldn't think there was a pandemic on.

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

ManchesterKurt said:

There maybe trouble ahead...

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/north-west-ambulance-service-battling-20924097

Manchester never seems to have waves, just slight lulls.

I spent the day in Manchester today.

You wouldn't think there was a pandemic on.

That might be part of the problem.....

FrancisUrquhart said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

ManchesterKurt said:

There maybe trouble ahead...

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/north-west-ambulance-service-battling-20924097

Manchester never seems to have waves, just slight lulls.

I spent the day in Manchester today.

You wouldn't think there was a pandemic on.

That might be part of the problem.....

I think I saw the Sri Lankan cricket team out and about at one point.

squareroot2 said:

Fishing said:

DavidL said:

The French anthem is epic. So much better than our dirge.

Very true. We should use Rule Britannia instead. Much more inspiring.

Embarrassing... when we don't rule the waves

It’s an admonishment not a statement.

Britannia: rule the waves

TheScreamingEagles said:

Jerusalem is a bloody dirge.

Not the Bruce Dickinson rework \m/

Scott_xP said:

Murray offering a preview of the England game...

This is what choking looks like.

It's Henmanesque (***bites nails***)

kinabalu said:

Black_Rook said:

kinabalu said:

Black_Rook said:

Over at Wimbledon, Murray is doing very well. His seeded opponent is a quality player, but Murray looks good for a straight sets win.

If he closes it out his reward will be a second round tie against a qualifier. The likely third round opponent, Denis Shapovalov (seeded 10,) wouldn't be so straightforward...

On him at 200/1. Looking a real smug city.

Not wholly inconceivable, but would require Djokovic's arm/leg/head to fall off prior to their theoretical semi-final clash.

I'm a big Novak fan but I don't fancy him for this. Of course he wouldn't be a surprise winner.

Who do you think's going to stop him? Does Federer have another title in him, or might it be Medvedev's time?

Alistair said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

solarflare said:

Go on you Swiss!

I love the Swiss, wonderful nation on so many levels, there flag is also a big plus.

Yes this works better, much more natural flow.

I've just noticed my horrific there/their mix up.

I cannot even blame autocorrect this time.

I'll blame tiredness, yes, it was tiredness.

East Lothian takes the lead.

Looking at the graphs shows how lightly scotland got off in the autumn/winter

Pulpstar said:

I've moved over to an ESPN stream. ITV absolubte rubbish.

I have watched the games shown on ITV on "unofficial" streams the past few games because they are vastly superior.

Absolutely no excuse in this day and age for ITV streaming to be so crap.

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Pulpstar said:

I've moved over to an ESPN stream. ITV absolubte rubbish.

ITV streaming is like GB News. At least the BBC has spent our licence fees on some decent bandwidth.

Except still no full HD on iplayer on pc, let alone 4k. Better, but still unacceptable.

ManchesterKurt said:

There maybe trouble ahead...

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/north-west-ambulance-service-battling-20924097

Hospitalisation admissions, occupancy and ventilator usage seem to be rising faster in Manchester now than during September.