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  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,567
    HYUFD said:

    felix said:

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    40s
    Westminster Voting Intention (28 June):

    Conservative 41% (-3)
    Labour 34% (+1)
    Liberal Democrat 9% (-1)
    Scottish National Party 5% (+1)
    Green 5% (+1)
    Reform UK 3% (–)
    Other 2% (-1)

    Changes +/- 21 June

    On those numbers Labour would hold Batley
    The one thing I'm pretty sure of is that Labour won't hold Batley.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,198
    isam said:

    Floater said:
    Incredible if it is is legit. I struggle to believe it can be - residual brainshwashing that Labour are the good guys affecting me maybe

    Sir Keir needs to come out and say this leaflet, if it is an offical Labour leaflet, is a disgrace - he was right in what he said last year

    "We must not allow issues of the sub-continent to divide communities here”
    Yep, those with sufficient imagination all remember you praising him to the rafters when he said that.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,845
    Bloody hell. What a ridiculous OG.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,409
    DavidL said:

    What a chance!

    And another!
    Followed by a comedy goal for Croatia.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,362
    HYUFD said:

    Thankyou everyone for the congratulations, much appreciated

    I always presumed you were about 94 years years old!

    But hearty congrats
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Although unsurprising that ABC1 Remainers are most hostile to Boris Johnson, a bit more surprising that C2DE Remainers are less hostile to him than C2DE Leavers

    Are you happily married now @HYUFD
    Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoon
    Congratulations to Mr and Mrs HYUFD!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,567
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Although unsurprising that ABC1 Remainers are most hostile to Boris Johnson, a bit more surprising that C2DE Remainers are less hostile to him than C2DE Leavers

    Are you happily married now @HYUFD
    Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoon
    Congratulations HYUFD.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,385

    Big Tottenham Hotspur takeover news; They have been bought by a billionaire from Dubai. The deal has been rumoured for some weeks now and will be announced formally next week . Reports suggest the billionaire is Sheik Hanvak. He is going to put the freshness back into the club.

    Gosh, I skim read that and thought the billionaire Rishi Sunak had bought Tottenham Hotspur.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Hahahahahaah

    Spain
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Although unsurprising that ABC1 Remainers are most hostile to Boris Johnson, a bit more surprising that C2DE Remainers are less hostile to him than C2DE Leavers

    Are you happily married now @HYUFD
    Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoon
    Many congratulations
    Ditto
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,567
    edited June 2021
    ping said:

    Hahahahahaah

    Spain

    What happened? I switched to Wimbledon just beforehand.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,408
    Our national broadcaster:



    They need illiminating
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,845
    DavidL said:

    Bloody hell. What a ridiculous OG.

    I know De Gea is not the goalkeeper he was but good grief.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Andy_JS said:

    ping said:

    Hahahahahaah

    Spain

    What happened? I switched to Wimbledon just beforehand.
    Most stupid own goal ever
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,567
    "AstraZeneca and Pfizer vaccines can be safely mixed to generate high Covid protection, study shows

    Immune response differed according to order that the two vaccines were used, Com-Cov study shows"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-mixing-vaccines-astrazeneca-pfizer-b1874027.html
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,183

    felix said:

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    40s
    Westminster Voting Intention (28 June):

    Conservative 41% (-3)
    Labour 34% (+1)
    Liberal Democrat 9% (-1)
    Scottish National Party 5% (+1)
    Green 5% (+1)
    Reform UK 3% (–)
    Other 2% (-1)

    Changes +/- 21 June

    We are starting to see a few signs that Tories numbers are down a bit, has been average of ~43% for so many months now. The big difference again is always the Labour number, is it ~30% or is it ~36%, or somewhere in between.
    The LibDems also appear to have moved from 6-7% to 8-10% on the back of C&A - the question is whether that is sustained, or whether they'll drift back down again.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,198
    HYUFD said:

    isam said:

    HYUFD said:

    felix said:

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    40s
    Westminster Voting Intention (28 June):

    Conservative 41% (-3)
    Labour 34% (+1)
    Liberal Democrat 9% (-1)
    Scottish National Party 5% (+1)
    Green 5% (+1)
    Reform UK 3% (–)
    Other 2% (-1)

    Changes +/- 21 June

    On those numbers Labour would hold Batley
    How would they have done in Hartlepool on the contemporary (contemporaneous?) National polling? Lose by 28%? Redfield & Wilton had a 2% Tory lead at the time
    There was a far bigger Brexit Party vote in Hartlepool in 2019 though, 25% for the Tories to squeeze compared to just 3% in Batley and Spen
    But don't forget the Woollens voters. One would like to, but they are very much still there.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    Floater said:
    Incredible if it is is legit. I struggle to believe it can be - residual brainshwashing that Labour are the good guys affecting me maybe

    Sir Keir needs to come out and say this leaflet, if it is an offical Labour leaflet, is a disgrace - he was right in what he said last year

    "We must not allow issues of the sub-continent to divide communities here”
    Yep, those with sufficient imagination all remember you praising him to the rafters when he said that.
    Oh it’s MY fault?! I see
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,226
    isam said:

    HYUFD said:

    felix said:

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    40s
    Westminster Voting Intention (28 June):

    Conservative 41% (-3)
    Labour 34% (+1)
    Liberal Democrat 9% (-1)
    Scottish National Party 5% (+1)
    Green 5% (+1)
    Reform UK 3% (–)
    Other 2% (-1)

    Changes +/- 21 June

    On those numbers Labour would hold Batley
    How would they have done in Hartlepool on the contemporary (contemporaneous?) National polling? Lose by 28%? Redfield & Wilton had a 2% Tory lead at the time
    The biggest thing in Hartlepool was Conservatives hoovering up the BXP vote. Apply the same principle here with both BXP and the Wollies (who seem to be even more right-wing populist) and this ought to be a walk in the park for the Conservatives.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,445
    DavidL said:

    I've seen this around and about here....and I wondered what use they were without training. Question answered.

    The Shocking New Use for Red Telephone Boxes

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecVHYg4_vZw

    Around here several have become leave and take kiosks for things like unwanted books, excess garden veg etc. Community councils seem to keep them in some sort of order.

    Edit, 55 years ago it was very different. At Worthy Down, just outside Winchester there was an army base with a lot of Scots including my father. On a Saturday night there would be a queue down the street as everyone phoned home and passed the weekly news. It was not the done thing to use more than about 3 coins and those who were thought to have done so would receive a tut on the way out. Probably had more trouble getting served in the NAAFI shop too. As a young kid this is how I spoke to my Grand parents who were in phone boxes in Dundee. No one had a phone in their house in those days and the idea you might have one in your pocket would have been laughable.
    58 years and a couple of days ago I had to send a telegram (remember them) to my in-laws, who didn't have a phone, advising them of the birth of their first grandchild. Mother-in-law didn't like phone boxes so got the bus to the next town, where f-i-l worked, to tell him.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    ping said:

    Andy_JS said:

    ping said:

    Hahahahahaah

    Spain

    What happened? I switched to Wimbledon just beforehand.
    Most stupid own goal ever
    The poor keeper. I hate things like that happening

    I scored an OG like that about 5 years go, passed it back from 40 yards and the keeper let it under his foot
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Although unsurprising that ABC1 Remainers are most hostile to Boris Johnson, a bit more surprising that C2DE Remainers are less hostile to him than C2DE Leavers

    Are you happily married now @HYUFD
    Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoon
    Congratters sir. Best wishes to you both.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,059
    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    isam said:

    HYUFD said:

    felix said:

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    40s
    Westminster Voting Intention (28 June):

    Conservative 41% (-3)
    Labour 34% (+1)
    Liberal Democrat 9% (-1)
    Scottish National Party 5% (+1)
    Green 5% (+1)
    Reform UK 3% (–)
    Other 2% (-1)

    Changes +/- 21 June

    On those numbers Labour would hold Batley
    How would they have done in Hartlepool on the contemporary (contemporaneous?) National polling? Lose by 28%? Redfield & Wilton had a 2% Tory lead at the time
    There was a far bigger Brexit Party vote in Hartlepool in 2019 though, 25% for the Tories to squeeze compared to just 3% in Batley and Spen
    But don't forget the Woollens voters. One would like to, but they are very much still there.
    Indeed, there is a For Britain candidate, an English Democrats candidate and a UKIP candidate on the hard right however.

    So the outcome could well depend on the Woollens not going to them rather than to the Tories and Galloway taking a large share of the Muslim vote if the Tories are to win the by election
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,198
    HYUFD said:

    Thankyou everyone for the congratulations, much appreciated

    No posting from honeymoon then. Lack of commitment there. You know that Jack Nicklaus played lots of golf on his? Yep - that's why he has 18 majors.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Victoria Derbyshire either doesn’t get it, or is actively refusing to accept that 19 July is happening.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,904
    France into 4.7 from 5 after Spain's own goal.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,409
    May I add best wishes to Mr and Mrs HYUFD!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,104
    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Thankyou everyone for the congratulations, much appreciated

    No posting from honeymoon then. Lack of commitment there. You know that Jack Nicklaus played lots of golf on his? Yep - that's why he has 18 majors.
    On the contrary, HYUFD showed great commitment in heroically resisting the temptation.
    Hearty congratulations to him.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,445
    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Thankyou everyone for the congratulations, much appreciated

    No posting from honeymoon then. Lack of commitment there. You know that Jack Nicklaus played lots of golf on his? Yep - that's why he has 18 majors.
    Perhaps Mrs FD has put her foot down; started as she means to go on.

    Only joking. Every happiness!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,198
    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    felix said:

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    40s
    Westminster Voting Intention (28 June):

    Conservative 41% (-3)
    Labour 34% (+1)
    Liberal Democrat 9% (-1)
    Scottish National Party 5% (+1)
    Green 5% (+1)
    Reform UK 3% (–)
    Other 2% (-1)

    Changes +/- 21 June

    On those numbers Labour would hold Batley
    The one thing I'm pretty sure of is that Labour won't hold Batley.
    Like to disagree but I'd also be very surprised. It'll be a real 'moment' if it happens. A tide turner.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,409
    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    isam said:

    HYUFD said:

    felix said:

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    40s
    Westminster Voting Intention (28 June):

    Conservative 41% (-3)
    Labour 34% (+1)
    Liberal Democrat 9% (-1)
    Scottish National Party 5% (+1)
    Green 5% (+1)
    Reform UK 3% (–)
    Other 2% (-1)

    Changes +/- 21 June

    On those numbers Labour would hold Batley
    How would they have done in Hartlepool on the contemporary (contemporaneous?) National polling? Lose by 28%? Redfield & Wilton had a 2% Tory lead at the time
    There was a far bigger Brexit Party vote in Hartlepool in 2019 though, 25% for the Tories to squeeze compared to just 3% in Batley and Spen
    But don't forget the Woollens voters. One would like to, but they are very much still there.
    Indeed, there is a For Britain candidate, an English Democrats candidate and a UKIP candidate on the hard right however.

    So the outcome could well depend on the Woollens not going to them rather than to the Tories and Galloway taking a large share of the Muslim vote if the Tories are to win the by election
    Expect George to pick up a proportion of the Woollens too.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,043

    Victoria Derbyshire either doesn’t get it, or is actively refusing to accept that 19 July is happening.

    I presume she kept quiet about the Matt Hancock business.....
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 1,993
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Although unsurprising that ABC1 Remainers are most hostile to Boris Johnson, a bit more surprising that C2DE Remainers are less hostile to him than C2DE Leavers

    Are you happily married now @HYUFD
    Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoon
    Yes, Congrats to both of you!
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,226
    rcs1000 said:

    felix said:

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    40s
    Westminster Voting Intention (28 June):

    Conservative 41% (-3)
    Labour 34% (+1)
    Liberal Democrat 9% (-1)
    Scottish National Party 5% (+1)
    Green 5% (+1)
    Reform UK 3% (–)
    Other 2% (-1)

    Changes +/- 21 June

    We are starting to see a few signs that Tories numbers are down a bit, has been average of ~43% for so many months now. The big difference again is always the Labour number, is it ~30% or is it ~36%, or somewhere in between.
    The LibDems also appear to have moved from 6-7% to 8-10% on the back of C&A - the question is whether that is sustained, or whether they'll drift back down again.
    And also- where are those voters? Are they in places that harm the chances of Labour or the Conservatives more?
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Serious outbreak of Spanish goalkeeper's disease claims first victim.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,239
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Although unsurprising that ABC1 Remainers are most hostile to Boris Johnson, a bit more surprising that C2DE Remainers are less hostile to him than C2DE Leavers

    Are you happily married now @HYUFD
    Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoon
    Congrats HYUFD.

    Only surprised that you chose to spend your honeymoon in our rapidly-turning-orange Cotswolds!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,043
    Three Sri Lanka players have been sent home from their tour of England for breaching bio-secure protocols.

    Vice-captain Kusal Mendis, opener Danushka Gunathilaka and wicketkeeper Niroshan Dickwella have all been suspended by Sri Lanka Cricket.

    It follows images, shared on social media, appearing to show the trio in Durham city centre.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 1,993
    DavidL said:

    Bloody hell. What a ridiculous OG.

    Peter Shilton (2006) feels for him :)
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Although unsurprising that ABC1 Remainers are most hostile to Boris Johnson, a bit more surprising that C2DE Remainers are less hostile to him than C2DE Leavers

    Are you happily married now @HYUFD
    Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoon
    Congratulations to both of you.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723
    isam said:

    ping said:

    Andy_JS said:

    ping said:

    Hahahahahaah

    Spain

    What happened? I switched to Wimbledon just beforehand.
    Most stupid own goal ever
    The poor keeper. I hate things like that happening

    I scored an OG like that about 5 years go, passed it back from 40 yards and the keeper let it under his foot
    Why would you pass back from. near halfway? My brother told me he switched off when England did it during their last match...
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Although unsurprising that ABC1 Remainers are most hostile to Boris Johnson, a bit more surprising that C2DE Remainers are less hostile to him than C2DE Leavers

    Are you happily married now @HYUFD
    Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoon
    Congrats HYUFD.

    Only surprised that you chose to spend your honeymoon in our rapidly-turning-orange Cotswolds!
    Someone has to work out where to send the tanks should it become necessary :smiley:
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,059

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Although unsurprising that ABC1 Remainers are most hostile to Boris Johnson, a bit more surprising that C2DE Remainers are less hostile to him than C2DE Leavers

    Are you happily married now @HYUFD
    Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoon
    Congrats HYUFD.

    Only surprised that you chose to spend your honeymoon in our rapidly-turning-orange Cotswolds!
    Well I was a Tory Remainer don't forget! Technically though while Cotswolds District was 51% Remain, Tewkesbury District where we were staying was 53% Leave
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,094
    edited June 2021

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Thankyou everyone for the congratulations, much appreciated

    No posting from honeymoon then. Lack of commitment there. You know that Jack Nicklaus played lots of golf on his? Yep - that's why he has 18 majors.
    Perhaps Mrs FD has put her foot down; started as she means to go on.

    Only joking. Every happiness!
    57 years of marriage and my wife did explain how she said to the 'Good Lord' just after our wedding ceremony, for 'Him' to allow her to take back her promise to 'love and obey' and she has acted, accordingly, ever since, God bless her.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,845

    Three Sri Lanka players have been sent home from their tour of England for breaching bio-secure protocols.

    Vice-captain Kusal Mendis, opener Danushka Gunathilaka and wicketkeeper Niroshan Dickwella have all been suspended by Sri Lanka Cricket.

    It follows images, shared on social media, appearing to show the trio in Durham city centre.

    After the performance in the T20s I would be quite keen to be sent home from the tour myself. Really, really poor, especially with the bat. They are probably the weakest test side right now across all formats.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,198
    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    Floater said:
    Incredible if it is is legit. I struggle to believe it can be - residual brainshwashing that Labour are the good guys affecting me maybe

    Sir Keir needs to come out and say this leaflet, if it is an offical Labour leaflet, is a disgrace - he was right in what he said last year

    "We must not allow issues of the sub-continent to divide communities here”
    Yep, those with sufficient imagination all remember you praising him to the rafters when he said that.
    Oh it’s MY fault?! I see
    Your posts are, yes. There's no other way to view them. You hit the keys - and out they pop.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    DavidL said:

    I've seen this around and about here....and I wondered what use they were without training. Question answered.

    The Shocking New Use for Red Telephone Boxes

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecVHYg4_vZw

    Around here several have become leave and take kiosks for things like unwanted books, excess garden veg etc. Community councils seem to keep them in some sort of order.

    Edit, 55 years ago it was very different. At Worthy Down, just outside Winchester there was an army base with a lot of Scots including my father. On a Saturday night there would be a queue down the street as everyone phoned home and passed the weekly news. It was not the done thing to use more than about 3 coins and those who were thought to have done so would receive a tut on the way out. Probably had more trouble getting served in the NAAFI shop too. As a young kid this is how I spoke to my Grand parents who were in phone boxes in Dundee. No one had a phone in their house in those days and the idea you might have one in your pocket would have been laughable.
    I remember queuing at a red telephone box in Aberystwyth in 1987 for the same reason. I was following a PGCE teacher training course at Aber at the time.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited June 2021
    Spain 1-1 Croatia

    I think the goalie got a touch on it

    As we’ve come to expect
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,409
    The goalie breathes again.
    1-1.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,567
    You could tell that was going to be a goal about 30 seconds before it happened.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883

    Victoria Derbyshire either doesn’t get it, or is actively refusing to accept that 19 July is happening.

    I presume she kept quiet about the Matt Hancock business.....
    I am not convinced about the 19th myself, especially after 22000 in the uk and 670 in Wales...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,316
    Floater said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Although unsurprising that ABC1 Remainers are most hostile to Boris Johnson, a bit more surprising that C2DE Remainers are less hostile to him than C2DE Leavers

    Are you happily married now @HYUFD
    Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoon
    Congrats HYUFD.

    Only surprised that you chose to spend your honeymoon in our rapidly-turning-orange Cotswolds!
    Someone has to work out where to send the tanks should it become necessary :smiley:
    We should have clubbed together to get TanksALot to provide the wedding limo.....

    Seriously - congratulations to HYUFD
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586

    Three Sri Lanka players have been sent home from their tour of England for breaching bio-secure protocols.

    Vice-captain Kusal Mendis, opener Danushka Gunathilaka and wicketkeeper Niroshan Dickwella have all been suspended by Sri Lanka Cricket.

    It follows images, shared on social media, appearing to show the trio in Durham city centre.

    Hopefully sent to isolation, rather than put on a 10 hour flight?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    Floater said:
    Incredible if it is is legit. I struggle to believe it can be - residual brainshwashing that Labour are the good guys affecting me maybe

    Sir Keir needs to come out and say this leaflet, if it is an offical Labour leaflet, is a disgrace - he was right in what he said last year

    "We must not allow issues of the sub-continent to divide communities here”
    Yep, those with sufficient imagination all remember you praising him to the rafters when he said that.
    Oh it’s MY fault?! I see
    Your posts are, yes. There's no other way to view them. You hit the keys - and out they pop.
    I didn’t see Sir Keir say the sub continent thing last year, but it’s obviously correct. Let’s hope the leaflet is nothing to do with Labour and his hands stay clean
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Latest modelling analysis from @PHE_uk and the University of Cambridge’s MRC Biostatistics Unit suggests that the COVID-19 vaccination programme has so far prevented an estimated 7.2 million infections and 27,000 deaths in England alone.

    https://twitter.com/fact_covid/status/1409551234495922182?s=20
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Congratulations @HYUFD
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,445

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Thankyou everyone for the congratulations, much appreciated

    No posting from honeymoon then. Lack of commitment there. You know that Jack Nicklaus played lots of golf on his? Yep - that's why he has 18 majors.
    Perhaps Mrs FD has put her foot down; started as she means to go on.

    Only joking. Every happiness!
    57 years of marriage and my wife did explain how she said to the 'Good Lord' just after our wedding ceremony, for 'Him' to allow her to take back her promise to 'love and obey' and she has acted, accordingly, ever since, God bless her.
    59 years and a few days; I don't think we've ever 'obeyed' each other. We've had the odd disagreement of course but always seen the others point of view
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,198
    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Thankyou everyone for the congratulations, much appreciated

    No posting from honeymoon then. Lack of commitment there. You know that Jack Nicklaus played lots of golf on his? Yep - that's why he has 18 majors.
    I think spending hours on PB on honeymoon would not have gone down well with the Mrs and rightly so.

    We had a nice time though, went to lots of lovely villages and small towns, Castle Combe, Tetbury, Chipping Camden, Stow on the Wold, Chipping Norton and Sudeley Castle and Snowshill, Cheltenham and Worcester. We also had Bob Mortimer and Paul Whitehouse staying in the same hotel as us near Tewkesbury for a few days, no doubt filming something
    :smile: - Sounds perfect. We're going in the Autumn. Doing some arboretum type things.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,373

    Victoria Derbyshire either doesn’t get it, or is actively refusing to accept that 19 July is happening.

    I presume she kept quiet about the Matt Hancock business.....
    I am not convinced about the 19th myself, especially after 22000 in the uk and 670 in Wales...
    In England for sure now, but not in the People's Republic of Drakeford, no.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,857
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Although unsurprising that ABC1 Remainers are most hostile to Boris Johnson, a bit more surprising that C2DE Remainers are less hostile to him than C2DE Leavers

    Are you happily married now @HYUFD
    Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoon
    Congratulations to you both!
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Looks a bit tall, tbh:

    Patrick Blower on #EmmanuelMacron #LameDuck - political cartoon gallery in London http://original-political-cartoon.com

    https://twitter.com/Cartoon4sale/status/1409551280893304853?s=20
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,810

    Victoria Derbyshire either doesn’t get it, or is actively refusing to accept that 19 July is happening.

    I presume she kept quiet about the Matt Hancock business.....
    I am not convinced about the 19th myself, especially after 22000 in the uk and 670 in Wales...
    But this was all in the models. In fact, we're well under what the models predicted, I think. And the models still had us opening up. 22000 is a big number but no bigger than where we expected to be. 3 and 227 are more significant.
    Victoria Derbyshire is a menace to society.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,195
    Wonder when we'll get case number/vaccinated/day crossover ?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    ping said:

    Andy_JS said:

    ping said:

    Hahahahahaah

    Spain

    What happened? I switched to Wimbledon just beforehand.
    Most stupid own goal ever
    The poor keeper. I hate things like that happening

    I scored an OG like that about 5 years go, passed it back from 40 yards and the keeper let it under his foot
    Why would you pass back from. near halfway? My brother told me he switched off when England did it during their last match...
    Our left back threw it to me and everyone seemed marked, so I passed it back to the keeper to start again. It trickled in

    I scored the equaliser and got sent off, match finished 2-2
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Although unsurprising that ABC1 Remainers are most hostile to Boris Johnson, a bit more surprising that C2DE Remainers are less hostile to him than C2DE Leavers

    Are you happily married now @HYUFD
    Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoon
    Congrats HYUFD.

    Only surprised that you chose to spend your honeymoon in our rapidly-turning-orange Cotswolds!
    Well I was a Tory Remainer don't forget! Technically though while Cotswolds District was 51% Remain, Tewkesbury District where we were staying was 53% Leave
    I hope you didn't discuss these percentages on honeymoon...
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,853

    Victoria Derbyshire either doesn’t get it, or is actively refusing to accept that 19 July is happening.

    What's she said?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Although unsurprising that ABC1 Remainers are most hostile to Boris Johnson, a bit more surprising that C2DE Remainers are less hostile to him than C2DE Leavers

    Are you happily married now @HYUFD
    Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoon
    Congrats HYUFD.

    Only surprised that you chose to spend your honeymoon in our rapidly-turning-orange Cotswolds!
    Well I was a Tory Remainer don't forget! Technically though while Cotswolds District was 51% Remain, Tewkesbury District where we were staying was 53% Leave
    I hope you didn't discuss these percentages on honeymoon...
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,094

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Thankyou everyone for the congratulations, much appreciated

    No posting from honeymoon then. Lack of commitment there. You know that Jack Nicklaus played lots of golf on his? Yep - that's why he has 18 majors.
    Perhaps Mrs FD has put her foot down; started as she means to go on.

    Only joking. Every happiness!
    57 years of marriage and my wife did explain how she said to the 'Good Lord' just after our wedding ceremony, for 'Him' to allow her to take back her promise to 'love and obey' and she has acted, accordingly, ever since, God bless her.
    59 years and a few days; I don't think we've ever 'obeyed' each other. We've had the odd disagreement of course but always seen the others point of view
    Indeed and why you are 1 year and we are 3 years from a telegram from Buckingham Palace
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586
    Just seen that own goal. Whoops!!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,104

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Although unsurprising that ABC1 Remainers are most hostile to Boris Johnson, a bit more surprising that C2DE Remainers are less hostile to him than C2DE Leavers

    Are you happily married now @HYUFD
    Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoon
    Congrats HYUFD.

    Only surprised that you chose to spend your honeymoon in our rapidly-turning-orange Cotswolds!
    Well I was a Tory Remainer don't forget! Technically though while Cotswolds District was 51% Remain, Tewkesbury District where we were staying was 53% Leave
    I hope you didn't discuss these percentages on honeymoon...
    A shared love and deep knowledge of psephology is the glue holding most relationships together.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,408

    Victoria Derbyshire either doesn’t get it, or is actively refusing to accept that 19 July is happening.

    I presume she kept quiet about the Matt Hancock business.....
    I am not convinced about the 19th myself, especially after 22000 in the uk and 670 in Wales...
    22000 is artifiicial as it is catching up on yesterday (England). Average England cases ;last two days 15000.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited June 2021
    Cookie said:

    Victoria Derbyshire either doesn’t get it, or is actively refusing to accept that 19 July is happening.

    I presume she kept quiet about the Matt Hancock business.....
    I am not convinced about the 19th myself, especially after 22000 in the uk and 670 in Wales...
    But this was all in the models. In fact, we're well under what the models predicted, I think. And the models still had us opening up. 22000 is a big number but no bigger than where we expected to be. 3 and 227 are more significant.
    Victoria Derbyshire is a menace to society.
    Whitty at the Press Conference said "cases might well be higher than they are today" - unless admissions and deaths start to spike they'll hold the course.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,094

    Victoria Derbyshire either doesn’t get it, or is actively refusing to accept that 19 July is happening.

    I presume she kept quiet about the Matt Hancock business.....
    I am not convinced about the 19th myself, especially after 22000 in the uk and 670 in Wales...
    In England for sure now, but not in the People's Republic of Drakeford, no.
    Two North Wales firms are taking Drakeford to court as their English competitors are trading

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,853

    Victoria Derbyshire either doesn’t get it, or is actively refusing to accept that 19 July is happening.

    I presume she kept quiet about the Matt Hancock business.....
    I am not convinced about the 19th myself, especially after 22000 in the uk and 670 in Wales...
    22000 is artifiicial as it is catching up on yesterday (England). Average England cases ;last two days 15000.
    We're at about a 50-60% weekly rise in cases but about a 10% rise in hospitalisations. And as always, I'd like to point out that we still aren't being told what proportion of hospitalisations are coming from unvaccinated by choice.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,567
    Today's figures:

    Cases +22,868
    Deaths +3

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,904

    France into 4.7 from 5 after Spain's own goal.

    France back out to 5 after the equaliser.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586

    Cookie said:

    Victoria Derbyshire either doesn’t get it, or is actively refusing to accept that 19 July is happening.

    I presume she kept quiet about the Matt Hancock business.....
    I am not convinced about the 19th myself, especially after 22000 in the uk and 670 in Wales...
    But this was all in the models. In fact, we're well under what the models predicted, I think. And the models still had us opening up. 22000 is a big number but no bigger than where we expected to be. 3 and 227 are more significant.
    Victoria Derbyshire is a menace to society.
    Whitty at the Press Conference said "cases might be higher than they are today" - unless admissions and deaths start to spike they'll hold the course.
    They’re finally looking primarily at the numbers in hospital, rather than the raw case numbers of the young and asymptotic?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    From the Covid crisis to educational near-meltdown to the Alex Salmond saga and beyond, each icy peak has been a formidable challenge to her skills of leadership and endurance.

    But the highest summit yet lies ahead and, I’m afraid, it looks increasingly likely that it will be the one to defeat her. Despite having promised her party and the wider Yes movement that there will be a second independence referendum in this parliament, she isn’t going to deliver. There won’t be a vote. There won’t be a famous victory. Scotland will continue as part of the United Kingdom.


    https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/opinion/columnists/chris-deerin/3269401/scottish-independence-nicola-sturgeon-hands-tied-chris-deerin-opinion/
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,857

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Although unsurprising that ABC1 Remainers are most hostile to Boris Johnson, a bit more surprising that C2DE Remainers are less hostile to him than C2DE Leavers

    Are you happily married now @HYUFD
    Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoon
    Congrats HYUFD.

    Only surprised that you chose to spend your honeymoon in our rapidly-turning-orange Cotswolds!
    Well I was a Tory Remainer don't forget! Technically though while Cotswolds District was 51% Remain, Tewkesbury District where we were staying was 53% Leave
    I hope you didn't discuss these percentages on honeymoon...
    When I'm voting Blue
    All I have to do
    Is mark my 'X' by you
    And then I'm not so blue

    When you're close to me
    I can feel your conceit
    I can hear you briefing
    'gainst Sir Keir

    Wouldn't you agree
    Baby, you and me
    Got a groovy kind of Gove
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,094
    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    Victoria Derbyshire either doesn’t get it, or is actively refusing to accept that 19 July is happening.

    I presume she kept quiet about the Matt Hancock business.....
    I am not convinced about the 19th myself, especially after 22000 in the uk and 670 in Wales...
    But this was all in the models. In fact, we're well under what the models predicted, I think. And the models still had us opening up. 22000 is a big number but no bigger than where we expected to be. 3 and 227 are more significant.
    Victoria Derbyshire is a menace to society.
    Whitty at the Press Conference said "cases might be higher than they are today" - unless admissions and deaths start to spike they'll hold the course.
    They’re finally looking primarily at the numbers in hospital, rather than the raw case numbers of the young and asymptotic?
    Sajid did say we have to live with covid
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Had my second AZ jab a few hours ago (managed to bring it forward a couple of weeks). So far so good!

    Could be worth a fortune to the bio weapons division, Sunil, if we can get it past ICC security.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,408
    MaxPB said:

    Victoria Derbyshire either doesn’t get it, or is actively refusing to accept that 19 July is happening.

    I presume she kept quiet about the Matt Hancock business.....
    I am not convinced about the 19th myself, especially after 22000 in the uk and 670 in Wales...
    22000 is artifiicial as it is catching up on yesterday (England). Average England cases ;last two days 15000.
    We're at about a 50-60% weekly rise in cases but about a 10% rise in hospitalisations. And as always, I'd like to point out that we still aren't being told what proportion of hospitalisations are coming from unvaccinated by choice.
    A good point, and that particular data is, I hope, part of the conversation.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,408
    Andy_JS said:

    Today's figures:

    Cases +22,868
    Deaths +3

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    Today is a bit artificial due to yesterdays under report.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,748
    edited June 2021
    Contrarian aside, most will be easily persuaded that the risk of serious health impacts to letting rip in secondary schools is worse than vaccination in them.

    Does anyone have any data on the risk of hospitalisation for the under 12s please? And the under 5s?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,857
    IshmaelZ said:

    Had my second AZ jab a few hours ago (managed to bring it forward a couple of weeks). So far so good!

    Could be worth a fortune to the bio weapons division, Sunil, if we can get it past ICC security.
    You're mixing up quotes again, Ishmael!

    Burke: Look, those two specimens are worth millions to the bio-weapons division. Now, if you're smart, we can both come out of it as heroes, and we will be set up for life.

    Ripley: [beat] You're crazy, Burke, you know that? You really think you can get a dangerous organism like that past ICC quarantine?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    edited June 2021
    moonshine said:

    Contrarian aside, most will be easily persuaded that the risk of serious health impacts to letting rip in secondary schools is worse than vaccination in them.

    Does anyone have any data on the risk of hospitalisation for the under 12s please? And the under 5s?

    That ship has sailed. It is already ripping through secondary schools. It will be interesting to see the numbers of children in hospital and, god forbid, deaths in the coming days and weeks.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Although unsurprising that ABC1 Remainers are most hostile to Boris Johnson, a bit more surprising that C2DE Remainers are less hostile to him than C2DE Leavers

    Are you happily married now @HYUFD
    Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoon
    Many congratulations to you both!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,316
    edited June 2021
    moonshine said:

    Contrarian aside, most will be easily persuaded that the risk of serious health impacts to letting rip in secondary schools is worse than vaccination in them.

    Does anyone have any data on the risk of hospitalisation for the under 12s please? And the under 5s?

    For England, over the entire epidemic, admissions

    0 to 5 3,057
    6 to 17 3,005
    18 to 64 145,063
    65 to 84 165,006
    85+ 83,736

    as a percentage

    0 to 5 0.76%
    6 to 17 0.75%
    18 to 64 36.28%
    65 to 84 41.27%
    85+ 20.94%

    and for deaths

    00 04 10 0.01%
    05 09 6 0.01%
    10 14 13 0.01%
    15 19 31 0.03%
    20 24 59 0.05%
    25 29 120 0.11%
    30 34 214 0.19%
    35 39 360 0.32%
    40 44 578 0.51%
    45 49 1,138 1.01%
    50 54 2,019 1.79%
    55 59 3,307 2.94%
    60 64 3,894 3.46%
    65 69 8,119 7.21%
    70 74 11,079 9.84%
    75 79 15,348 13.63%
    80 84 20,450 18.16%
    85 89 22,282 19.78%
    90+ 23,604 20.96%
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,567
    On topic, isn't it strange that C2DE Remainers are more pro-Boris than C2DE Leavers?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586
    edited June 2021

    moonshine said:

    Contrarian aside, most will be easily persuaded that the risk of serious health impacts to letting rip in secondary schools is worse than vaccination in them.

    Does anyone have any data on the risk of hospitalisation for the under 12s please? And the under 5s?

    For England, over the entire epidemic, admissions

    0 to 5 3,057
    6 to 17 3,005
    18 to 64 145,063
    65 to 84 165,006
    85+ 83,736

    as a percentage

    0 to 5 0.76%
    6 to 17 0.75%
    18 to 64 36.28%
    65 to 84 41.27%
    85+ 20.94%

    and for deaths

    00 04 10 0.01%
    05 09 6 0.01%
    10 14 13 0.01%
    15 19 31 0.03%
    20 24 59 0.05%
    25 29 120 0.11%
    30 34 214 0.19%
    35 39 360 0.32%
    40 44 578 0.51%
    45 49 1,138 1.01%
    50 54 2,019 1.79%
    55 59 3,307 2.94%
    60 64 3,894 3.46%
    65 69 8,119 7.21%
    70 74 11,079 9.84%
    75 79 15,348 13.63%
    80 84 20,450 18.16%
    85 89 22,282 19.78%
    90+ 23,604 20.96%
    So 29 under-15s, and 60 under-19s in the deaths column, with 6,000 under-18s in hospital.

    Get your teenagers vaccinated!
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited June 2021
    Congrats to HYUFD!
    Also, on choosing to honeymoon in the Midlands, like the true patriot you are.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310
    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Thankyou everyone for the congratulations, much appreciated

    No posting from honeymoon then. Lack of commitment there. You know that Jack Nicklaus played lots of golf on his? Yep - that's why he has 18 majors.
    I think spending hours on PB on honeymoon would not have gone down well with the Mrs and rightly so.

    We had a nice time though, went to lots of lovely villages and small towns, Castle Combe, Tetbury, Chipping Camden, Stow on the Wold, Chipping Norton and Sudeley Castle and Snowshill, Cheltenham and Worcester. We also had Bob Mortimer and Paul Whitehouse staying in the same hotel as us near Tewkesbury for a few days, no doubt filming something
    :smile: - Sounds perfect. We're going in the Autumn. Doing some arboretum type things.
    Do try and visit Westonbirt Arboretum. A magical place.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,043
    edited June 2021
    Cyclefree said:

    Re the Gmail accounts for Ministers, if anyone at work sent any work material (not just very confidential stuff) to a private email address, it was automatically a disciplinary offence - sometimes leading to dismissal.

    I am surprised that it isn't the same in government - not the disciplinaries - but the absolute ban on non-government email accounts. It is utterly insecure and very very poor practice.

    Ministers using gmail and government departments using Chinese CCTV cameras.....you might as well just publish everything on the internet for every foreign power to see what you are up to. Save them from 10 mins of work.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,226
    Cyclefree said:

    Re the Gmail accounts for Ministers, if anyone at work sent any work material (not just very confidential stuff) to a private email address, it was automatically a disciplinary offence - sometimes leading to dismissal.

    I am surprised that it isn't the same in government - not the disciplinaries - but the absolute ban on non-government email accounts. It is utterly insecure and very very poor practice.

    There's history here. You'll never (i.e. really easily) guess who.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2011/sep/20/michael-gove-department-private-email
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,198
    isam said:

    isam said:

    ping said:

    Andy_JS said:

    ping said:

    Hahahahahaah

    Spain

    What happened? I switched to Wimbledon just beforehand.
    Most stupid own goal ever
    The poor keeper. I hate things like that happening

    I scored an OG like that about 5 years go, passed it back from 40 yards and the keeper let it under his foot
    Why would you pass back from. near halfway? My brother told me he switched off when England did it during their last match...
    Our left back threw it to me and everyone seemed marked, so I passed it back to the keeper to start again. It trickled in

    I scored the equaliser and got sent off, match finished 2-2
    What were you sent off for? Verbals?
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