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The one thing I'm pretty sure of is that Labour won't hold Batley.HYUFD said:
On those numbers Labour would hold Batleyfelix said:Redfield & Wilton Strategies
@RedfieldWilton
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Westminster Voting Intention (28 June):
Conservative 41% (-3)
Labour 34% (+1)
Liberal Democrat 9% (-1)
Scottish National Party 5% (+1)
Green 5% (+1)
Reform UK 3% (–)
Other 2% (-1)
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iCrap....not just crap, dangerous...
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Yep, those with sufficient imagination all remember you praising him to the rafters when he said that.isam said:
Incredible if it is is legit. I struggle to believe it can be - residual brainshwashing that Labour are the good guys affecting me maybeFloater said:
Sir Keir needs to come out and say this leaflet, if it is an offical Labour leaflet, is a disgrace - he was right in what he said last year
"We must not allow issues of the sub-continent to divide communities here”0 -
Bloody hell. What a ridiculous OG.1
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Congratulations to Mr and Mrs HYUFD!HYUFD said:
Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoonBig_G_NorthWales said:2 -
Congratulations HYUFD.HYUFD said:
Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoonBig_G_NorthWales said:3 -
Gosh, I skim read that and thought the billionaire Rishi Sunak had bought Tottenham Hotspur.squareroot2 said:Big Tottenham Hotspur takeover news; They have been bought by a billionaire from Dubai. The deal has been rumoured for some weeks now and will be announced formally next week . Reports suggest the billionaire is Sheik Hanvak. He is going to put the freshness back into the club.
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DittoBig_G_NorthWales said:
Many congratulationsHYUFD said:
Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoonBig_G_NorthWales said:2 -
Our national broadcaster:
They need illiminating
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"AstraZeneca and Pfizer vaccines can be safely mixed to generate high Covid protection, study shows
Immune response differed according to order that the two vaccines were used, Com-Cov study shows"
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The LibDems also appear to have moved from 6-7% to 8-10% on the back of C&A - the question is whether that is sustained, or whether they'll drift back down again.FrancisUrquhart said:
We are starting to see a few signs that Tories numbers are down a bit, has been average of ~43% for so many months now. The big difference again is always the Labour number, is it ~30% or is it ~36%, or somewhere in between.felix said:Redfield & Wilton Strategies
@RedfieldWilton
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Westminster Voting Intention (28 June):
Conservative 41% (-3)
Labour 34% (+1)
Liberal Democrat 9% (-1)
Scottish National Party 5% (+1)
Green 5% (+1)
Reform UK 3% (–)
Other 2% (-1)
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But don't forget the Woollens voters. One would like to, but they are very much still there.HYUFD said:
There was a far bigger Brexit Party vote in Hartlepool in 2019 though, 25% for the Tories to squeeze compared to just 3% in Batley and Spenisam said:
How would they have done in Hartlepool on the contemporary (contemporaneous?) National polling? Lose by 28%? Redfield & Wilton had a 2% Tory lead at the timeHYUFD said:
On those numbers Labour would hold Batleyfelix said:Redfield & Wilton Strategies
@RedfieldWilton
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Westminster Voting Intention (28 June):
Conservative 41% (-3)
Labour 34% (+1)
Liberal Democrat 9% (-1)
Scottish National Party 5% (+1)
Green 5% (+1)
Reform UK 3% (–)
Other 2% (-1)
Changes +/- 21 June1 -
Oh it’s MY fault?! I seekinabalu said:
Yep, those with sufficient imagination all remember you praising him to the rafters when he said that.isam said:
Incredible if it is is legit. I struggle to believe it can be - residual brainshwashing that Labour are the good guys affecting me maybeFloater said:
Sir Keir needs to come out and say this leaflet, if it is an offical Labour leaflet, is a disgrace - he was right in what he said last year
"We must not allow issues of the sub-continent to divide communities here”1 -
The biggest thing in Hartlepool was Conservatives hoovering up the BXP vote. Apply the same principle here with both BXP and the Wollies (who seem to be even more right-wing populist) and this ought to be a walk in the park for the Conservatives.isam said:
How would they have done in Hartlepool on the contemporary (contemporaneous?) National polling? Lose by 28%? Redfield & Wilton had a 2% Tory lead at the timeHYUFD said:
On those numbers Labour would hold Batleyfelix said:Redfield & Wilton Strategies
@RedfieldWilton
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Westminster Voting Intention (28 June):
Conservative 41% (-3)
Labour 34% (+1)
Liberal Democrat 9% (-1)
Scottish National Party 5% (+1)
Green 5% (+1)
Reform UK 3% (–)
Other 2% (-1)
Changes +/- 21 June0 -
58 years and a couple of days ago I had to send a telegram (remember them) to my in-laws, who didn't have a phone, advising them of the birth of their first grandchild. Mother-in-law didn't like phone boxes so got the bus to the next town, where f-i-l worked, to tell him.DavidL said:
Around here several have become leave and take kiosks for things like unwanted books, excess garden veg etc. Community councils seem to keep them in some sort of order.FrancisUrquhart said:I've seen this around and about here....and I wondered what use they were without training. Question answered.
The Shocking New Use for Red Telephone Boxes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecVHYg4_vZw
Edit, 55 years ago it was very different. At Worthy Down, just outside Winchester there was an army base with a lot of Scots including my father. On a Saturday night there would be a queue down the street as everyone phoned home and passed the weekly news. It was not the done thing to use more than about 3 coins and those who were thought to have done so would receive a tut on the way out. Probably had more trouble getting served in the NAAFI shop too. As a young kid this is how I spoke to my Grand parents who were in phone boxes in Dundee. No one had a phone in their house in those days and the idea you might have one in your pocket would have been laughable.3 -
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Congratters sir. Best wishes to you both.HYUFD said:
Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoonBig_G_NorthWales said:1 -
Indeed, there is a For Britain candidate, an English Democrats candidate and a UKIP candidate on the hard right however.kinabalu said:
But don't forget the Woollens voters. One would like to, but they are very much still there.HYUFD said:
There was a far bigger Brexit Party vote in Hartlepool in 2019 though, 25% for the Tories to squeeze compared to just 3% in Batley and Spenisam said:
How would they have done in Hartlepool on the contemporary (contemporaneous?) National polling? Lose by 28%? Redfield & Wilton had a 2% Tory lead at the timeHYUFD said:
On those numbers Labour would hold Batleyfelix said:Redfield & Wilton Strategies
@RedfieldWilton
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Westminster Voting Intention (28 June):
Conservative 41% (-3)
Labour 34% (+1)
Liberal Democrat 9% (-1)
Scottish National Party 5% (+1)
Green 5% (+1)
Reform UK 3% (–)
Other 2% (-1)
Changes +/- 21 June
So the outcome could well depend on the Woollens not going to them rather than to the Tories and Galloway taking a large share of the Muslim vote if the Tories are to win the by election2 -
Victoria Derbyshire either doesn’t get it, or is actively refusing to accept that 19 July is happening.0
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France into 4.7 from 5 after Spain's own goal.1
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May I add best wishes to Mr and Mrs HYUFD!2
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On the contrary, HYUFD showed great commitment in heroically resisting the temptation.kinabalu said:
No posting from honeymoon then. Lack of commitment there. You know that Jack Nicklaus played lots of golf on his? Yep - that's why he has 18 majors.HYUFD said:Thankyou everyone for the congratulations, much appreciated
Hearty congratulations to him.3 -
Perhaps Mrs FD has put her foot down; started as she means to go on.kinabalu said:
No posting from honeymoon then. Lack of commitment there. You know that Jack Nicklaus played lots of golf on his? Yep - that's why he has 18 majors.HYUFD said:Thankyou everyone for the congratulations, much appreciated
Only joking. Every happiness!4 -
Like to disagree but I'd also be very surprised. It'll be a real 'moment' if it happens. A tide turner.Andy_JS said:
The one thing I'm pretty sure of is that Labour won't hold Batley.HYUFD said:
On those numbers Labour would hold Batleyfelix said:Redfield & Wilton Strategies
@RedfieldWilton
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Westminster Voting Intention (28 June):
Conservative 41% (-3)
Labour 34% (+1)
Liberal Democrat 9% (-1)
Scottish National Party 5% (+1)
Green 5% (+1)
Reform UK 3% (–)
Other 2% (-1)
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Expect George to pick up a proportion of the Woollens too.HYUFD said:
Indeed, there is a For Britain candidate, an English Democrats candidate and a UKIP candidate on the hard right however.kinabalu said:
But don't forget the Woollens voters. One would like to, but they are very much still there.HYUFD said:
There was a far bigger Brexit Party vote in Hartlepool in 2019 though, 25% for the Tories to squeeze compared to just 3% in Batley and Spenisam said:
How would they have done in Hartlepool on the contemporary (contemporaneous?) National polling? Lose by 28%? Redfield & Wilton had a 2% Tory lead at the timeHYUFD said:
On those numbers Labour would hold Batleyfelix said:Redfield & Wilton Strategies
@RedfieldWilton
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Westminster Voting Intention (28 June):
Conservative 41% (-3)
Labour 34% (+1)
Liberal Democrat 9% (-1)
Scottish National Party 5% (+1)
Green 5% (+1)
Reform UK 3% (–)
Other 2% (-1)
Changes +/- 21 June
So the outcome could well depend on the Woollens not going to them rather than to the Tories and Galloway taking a large share of the Muslim vote if the Tories are to win the by election1 -
I presume she kept quiet about the Matt Hancock business.....Anabobazina said:Victoria Derbyshire either doesn’t get it, or is actively refusing to accept that 19 July is happening.
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Yes, Congrats to both of you!HYUFD said:
Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoonBig_G_NorthWales said:1 -
And also- where are those voters? Are they in places that harm the chances of Labour or the Conservatives more?rcs1000 said:
The LibDems also appear to have moved from 6-7% to 8-10% on the back of C&A - the question is whether that is sustained, or whether they'll drift back down again.FrancisUrquhart said:
We are starting to see a few signs that Tories numbers are down a bit, has been average of ~43% for so many months now. The big difference again is always the Labour number, is it ~30% or is it ~36%, or somewhere in between.felix said:Redfield & Wilton Strategies
@RedfieldWilton
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Westminster Voting Intention (28 June):
Conservative 41% (-3)
Labour 34% (+1)
Liberal Democrat 9% (-1)
Scottish National Party 5% (+1)
Green 5% (+1)
Reform UK 3% (–)
Other 2% (-1)
Changes +/- 21 June0 -
I think spending hours on PB on honeymoon would not have gone down well with the Mrs and rightly so.kinabalu said:
No posting from honeymoon then. Lack of commitment there. You know that Jack Nicklaus played lots of golf on his? Yep - that's why he has 18 majors.HYUFD said:Thankyou everyone for the congratulations, much appreciated
We had a nice time though, went to lots of lovely villages and small towns, Castle Combe, Tetbury, Chipping Camden, Stow on the Wold, Chipping Norton and Sudeley Castle and Snowshill, Cheltenham and Worcester. We also had Bob Mortimer and Paul Whitehouse staying in the same hotel as us near Tewkesbury for a few days, no doubt filming something5 -
Serious outbreak of Spanish goalkeeper's disease claims first victim.0
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Congrats HYUFD.HYUFD said:
Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoonBig_G_NorthWales said:
Only surprised that you chose to spend your honeymoon in our rapidly-turning-orange Cotswolds!1 -
Three Sri Lanka players have been sent home from their tour of England for breaching bio-secure protocols.
Vice-captain Kusal Mendis, opener Danushka Gunathilaka and wicketkeeper Niroshan Dickwella have all been suspended by Sri Lanka Cricket.
It follows images, shared on social media, appearing to show the trio in Durham city centre.0 -
Congratulations to both of you.HYUFD said:
Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoonBig_G_NorthWales said:1 -
Why would you pass back from. near halfway? My brother told me he switched off when England did it during their last match...isam said:0 -
Someone has to work out where to send the tanks should it become necessaryEl_Capitano said:
Congrats HYUFD.HYUFD said:
Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoonBig_G_NorthWales said:
Only surprised that you chose to spend your honeymoon in our rapidly-turning-orange Cotswolds!
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Well I was a Tory Remainer don't forget! Technically though while Cotswolds District was 51% Remain, Tewkesbury District where we were staying was 53% LeaveEl_Capitano said:
Congrats HYUFD.HYUFD said:
Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoonBig_G_NorthWales said:
Only surprised that you chose to spend your honeymoon in our rapidly-turning-orange Cotswolds!1 -
57 years of marriage and my wife did explain how she said to the 'Good Lord' just after our wedding ceremony, for 'Him' to allow her to take back her promise to 'love and obey' and she has acted, accordingly, ever since, God bless her.OldKingCole said:
Perhaps Mrs FD has put her foot down; started as she means to go on.kinabalu said:
No posting from honeymoon then. Lack of commitment there. You know that Jack Nicklaus played lots of golf on his? Yep - that's why he has 18 majors.HYUFD said:Thankyou everyone for the congratulations, much appreciated
Only joking. Every happiness!3 -
After the performance in the T20s I would be quite keen to be sent home from the tour myself. Really, really poor, especially with the bat. They are probably the weakest test side right now across all formats.FrancisUrquhart said:Three Sri Lanka players have been sent home from their tour of England for breaching bio-secure protocols.
Vice-captain Kusal Mendis, opener Danushka Gunathilaka and wicketkeeper Niroshan Dickwella have all been suspended by Sri Lanka Cricket.
It follows images, shared on social media, appearing to show the trio in Durham city centre.0 -
Had my second AZ jab a few hours ago (managed to bring it forward a couple of weeks). So far so good!9
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Your posts are, yes. There's no other way to view them. You hit the keys - and out they pop.isam said:
Oh it’s MY fault?! I seekinabalu said:
Yep, those with sufficient imagination all remember you praising him to the rafters when he said that.isam said:
Incredible if it is is legit. I struggle to believe it can be - residual brainshwashing that Labour are the good guys affecting me maybeFloater said:
Sir Keir needs to come out and say this leaflet, if it is an offical Labour leaflet, is a disgrace - he was right in what he said last year
"We must not allow issues of the sub-continent to divide communities here”1 -
I remember queuing at a red telephone box in Aberystwyth in 1987 for the same reason. I was following a PGCE teacher training course at Aber at the time.DavidL said:
Around here several have become leave and take kiosks for things like unwanted books, excess garden veg etc. Community councils seem to keep them in some sort of order.FrancisUrquhart said:I've seen this around and about here....and I wondered what use they were without training. Question answered.
The Shocking New Use for Red Telephone Boxes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecVHYg4_vZw
Edit, 55 years ago it was very different. At Worthy Down, just outside Winchester there was an army base with a lot of Scots including my father. On a Saturday night there would be a queue down the street as everyone phoned home and passed the weekly news. It was not the done thing to use more than about 3 coins and those who were thought to have done so would receive a tut on the way out. Probably had more trouble getting served in the NAAFI shop too. As a young kid this is how I spoke to my Grand parents who were in phone boxes in Dundee. No one had a phone in their house in those days and the idea you might have one in your pocket would have been laughable.
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Spain 1-1 Croatia
I think the goalie got a touch on it
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The goalie breathes again.
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You could tell that was going to be a goal about 30 seconds before it happened.0
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I am not convinced about the 19th myself, especially after 22000 in the uk and 670 in Wales...FrancisUrquhart said:
I presume she kept quiet about the Matt Hancock business.....Anabobazina said:Victoria Derbyshire either doesn’t get it, or is actively refusing to accept that 19 July is happening.
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We should have clubbed together to get TanksALot to provide the wedding limo.....Floater said:
Someone has to work out where to send the tanks should it become necessaryEl_Capitano said:
Congrats HYUFD.HYUFD said:
Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoonBig_G_NorthWales said:
Only surprised that you chose to spend your honeymoon in our rapidly-turning-orange Cotswolds!
Seriously - congratulations to HYUFD1 -
Hopefully sent to isolation, rather than put on a 10 hour flight?FrancisUrquhart said:Three Sri Lanka players have been sent home from their tour of England for breaching bio-secure protocols.
Vice-captain Kusal Mendis, opener Danushka Gunathilaka and wicketkeeper Niroshan Dickwella have all been suspended by Sri Lanka Cricket.
It follows images, shared on social media, appearing to show the trio in Durham city centre.0 -
I didn’t see Sir Keir say the sub continent thing last year, but it’s obviously correct. Let’s hope the leaflet is nothing to do with Labour and his hands stay cleankinabalu said:
Your posts are, yes. There's no other way to view them. You hit the keys - and out they pop.isam said:
Oh it’s MY fault?! I seekinabalu said:
Yep, those with sufficient imagination all remember you praising him to the rafters when he said that.isam said:
Incredible if it is is legit. I struggle to believe it can be - residual brainshwashing that Labour are the good guys affecting me maybeFloater said:
Sir Keir needs to come out and say this leaflet, if it is an offical Labour leaflet, is a disgrace - he was right in what he said last year
"We must not allow issues of the sub-continent to divide communities here”1 -
Latest modelling analysis from @PHE_uk and the University of Cambridge’s MRC Biostatistics Unit suggests that the COVID-19 vaccination programme has so far prevented an estimated 7.2 million infections and 27,000 deaths in England alone.
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59 years and a few days; I don't think we've ever 'obeyed' each other. We've had the odd disagreement of course but always seen the others point of viewBig_G_NorthWales said:
57 years of marriage and my wife did explain how she said to the 'Good Lord' just after our wedding ceremony, for 'Him' to allow her to take back her promise to 'love and obey' and she has acted, accordingly, ever since, God bless her.OldKingCole said:
Perhaps Mrs FD has put her foot down; started as she means to go on.kinabalu said:
No posting from honeymoon then. Lack of commitment there. You know that Jack Nicklaus played lots of golf on his? Yep - that's why he has 18 majors.HYUFD said:Thankyou everyone for the congratulations, much appreciated
Only joking. Every happiness!1 -
HYUFD said:
I think spending hours on PB on honeymoon would not have gone down well with the Mrs and rightly so.kinabalu said:
No posting from honeymoon then. Lack of commitment there. You know that Jack Nicklaus played lots of golf on his? Yep - that's why he has 18 majors.HYUFD said:Thankyou everyone for the congratulations, much appreciated
We had a nice time though, went to lots of lovely villages and small towns, Castle Combe, Tetbury, Chipping Camden, Stow on the Wold, Chipping Norton and Sudeley Castle and Snowshill, Cheltenham and Worcester. We also had Bob Mortimer and Paul Whitehouse staying in the same hotel as us near Tewkesbury for a few days, no doubt filming something
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In England for sure now, but not in the People's Republic of Drakeford, no.Daveyboy1961 said:
I am not convinced about the 19th myself, especially after 22000 in the uk and 670 in Wales...FrancisUrquhart said:
I presume she kept quiet about the Matt Hancock business.....Anabobazina said:Victoria Derbyshire either doesn’t get it, or is actively refusing to accept that 19 July is happening.
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Congratulations to you both!HYUFD said:
Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoonBig_G_NorthWales said:3 -
Looks a bit tall, tbh:
Patrick Blower on #EmmanuelMacron #LameDuck - political cartoon gallery in London http://original-political-cartoon.com
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But this was all in the models. In fact, we're well under what the models predicted, I think. And the models still had us opening up. 22000 is a big number but no bigger than where we expected to be. 3 and 227 are more significant.Daveyboy1961 said:
I am not convinced about the 19th myself, especially after 22000 in the uk and 670 in Wales...FrancisUrquhart said:
I presume she kept quiet about the Matt Hancock business.....Anabobazina said:Victoria Derbyshire either doesn’t get it, or is actively refusing to accept that 19 July is happening.
Victoria Derbyshire is a menace to society.0 -
Wonder when we'll get case number/vaccinated/day crossover ?0
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Our left back threw it to me and everyone seemed marked, so I passed it back to the keeper to start again. It trickled insquareroot2 said:
Why would you pass back from. near halfway? My brother told me he switched off when England did it during their last match...isam said:
I scored the equaliser and got sent off, match finished 2-22 -
I hope you didn't discuss these percentages on honeymoon...HYUFD said:
Well I was a Tory Remainer don't forget! Technically though while Cotswolds District was 51% Remain, Tewkesbury District where we were staying was 53% LeaveEl_Capitano said:
Congrats HYUFD.HYUFD said:
Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoonBig_G_NorthWales said:
Only surprised that you chose to spend your honeymoon in our rapidly-turning-orange Cotswolds!1 -
What's she said?Anabobazina said:Victoria Derbyshire either doesn’t get it, or is actively refusing to accept that 19 July is happening.
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I hope you didn't discuss these percentages on honeymoon...HYUFD said:
Well I was a Tory Remainer don't forget! Technically though while Cotswolds District was 51% Remain, Tewkesbury District where we were staying was 53% LeaveEl_Capitano said:
Congrats HYUFD.HYUFD said:
Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoonBig_G_NorthWales said:
Only surprised that you chose to spend your honeymoon in our rapidly-turning-orange Cotswolds!3 -
Indeed and why you are 1 year and we are 3 years from a telegram from Buckingham PalaceOldKingCole said:
59 years and a few days; I don't think we've ever 'obeyed' each other. We've had the odd disagreement of course but always seen the others point of viewBig_G_NorthWales said:
57 years of marriage and my wife did explain how she said to the 'Good Lord' just after our wedding ceremony, for 'Him' to allow her to take back her promise to 'love and obey' and she has acted, accordingly, ever since, God bless her.OldKingCole said:
Perhaps Mrs FD has put her foot down; started as she means to go on.kinabalu said:
No posting from honeymoon then. Lack of commitment there. You know that Jack Nicklaus played lots of golf on his? Yep - that's why he has 18 majors.HYUFD said:Thankyou everyone for the congratulations, much appreciated
Only joking. Every happiness!2 -
Just seen that own goal. Whoops!!0
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A shared love and deep knowledge of psephology is the glue holding most relationships together.squareroot2 said:
I hope you didn't discuss these percentages on honeymoon...HYUFD said:
Well I was a Tory Remainer don't forget! Technically though while Cotswolds District was 51% Remain, Tewkesbury District where we were staying was 53% LeaveEl_Capitano said:
Congrats HYUFD.HYUFD said:
Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoonBig_G_NorthWales said:
Only surprised that you chose to spend your honeymoon in our rapidly-turning-orange Cotswolds!2 -
22000 is artifiicial as it is catching up on yesterday (England). Average England cases ;last two days 15000.Daveyboy1961 said:
I am not convinced about the 19th myself, especially after 22000 in the uk and 670 in Wales...FrancisUrquhart said:
I presume she kept quiet about the Matt Hancock business.....Anabobazina said:Victoria Derbyshire either doesn’t get it, or is actively refusing to accept that 19 July is happening.
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Whitty at the Press Conference said "cases might well be higher than they are today" - unless admissions and deaths start to spike they'll hold the course.Cookie said:
But this was all in the models. In fact, we're well under what the models predicted, I think. And the models still had us opening up. 22000 is a big number but no bigger than where we expected to be. 3 and 227 are more significant.Daveyboy1961 said:
I am not convinced about the 19th myself, especially after 22000 in the uk and 670 in Wales...FrancisUrquhart said:
I presume she kept quiet about the Matt Hancock business.....Anabobazina said:Victoria Derbyshire either doesn’t get it, or is actively refusing to accept that 19 July is happening.
Victoria Derbyshire is a menace to society.2 -
Two North Wales firms are taking Drakeford to court as their English competitors are tradingMexicanpete said:
In England for sure now, but not in the People's Republic of Drakeford, no.Daveyboy1961 said:
I am not convinced about the 19th myself, especially after 22000 in the uk and 670 in Wales...FrancisUrquhart said:
I presume she kept quiet about the Matt Hancock business.....Anabobazina said:Victoria Derbyshire either doesn’t get it, or is actively refusing to accept that 19 July is happening.
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We're at about a 50-60% weekly rise in cases but about a 10% rise in hospitalisations. And as always, I'd like to point out that we still aren't being told what proportion of hospitalisations are coming from unvaccinated by choice.turbotubbs said:
22000 is artifiicial as it is catching up on yesterday (England). Average England cases ;last two days 15000.Daveyboy1961 said:
I am not convinced about the 19th myself, especially after 22000 in the uk and 670 in Wales...FrancisUrquhart said:
I presume she kept quiet about the Matt Hancock business.....Anabobazina said:Victoria Derbyshire either doesn’t get it, or is actively refusing to accept that 19 July is happening.
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France back out to 5 after the equaliser.DecrepiterJohnL said:France into 4.7 from 5 after Spain's own goal.
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They’re finally looking primarily at the numbers in hospital, rather than the raw case numbers of the young and asymptotic?CarlottaVance said:
Whitty at the Press Conference said "cases might be higher than they are today" - unless admissions and deaths start to spike they'll hold the course.Cookie said:
But this was all in the models. In fact, we're well under what the models predicted, I think. And the models still had us opening up. 22000 is a big number but no bigger than where we expected to be. 3 and 227 are more significant.Daveyboy1961 said:
I am not convinced about the 19th myself, especially after 22000 in the uk and 670 in Wales...FrancisUrquhart said:
I presume she kept quiet about the Matt Hancock business.....Anabobazina said:Victoria Derbyshire either doesn’t get it, or is actively refusing to accept that 19 July is happening.
Victoria Derbyshire is a menace to society.0 -
From the Covid crisis to educational near-meltdown to the Alex Salmond saga and beyond, each icy peak has been a formidable challenge to her skills of leadership and endurance.
But the highest summit yet lies ahead and, I’m afraid, it looks increasingly likely that it will be the one to defeat her. Despite having promised her party and the wider Yes movement that there will be a second independence referendum in this parliament, she isn’t going to deliver. There won’t be a vote. There won’t be a famous victory. Scotland will continue as part of the United Kingdom.
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/opinion/columnists/chris-deerin/3269401/scottish-independence-nicola-sturgeon-hands-tied-chris-deerin-opinion/1 -
When I'm voting Bluesquareroot2 said:
I hope you didn't discuss these percentages on honeymoon...HYUFD said:
Well I was a Tory Remainer don't forget! Technically though while Cotswolds District was 51% Remain, Tewkesbury District where we were staying was 53% LeaveEl_Capitano said:
Congrats HYUFD.HYUFD said:
Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoonBig_G_NorthWales said:
Only surprised that you chose to spend your honeymoon in our rapidly-turning-orange Cotswolds!
All I have to do
Is mark my 'X' by you
And then I'm not so blue
When you're close to me
I can feel your conceit
I can hear you briefing
'gainst Sir Keir
Wouldn't you agree
Baby, you and me
Got a groovy kind of Gove0 -
Sajid did say we have to live with covidSandpit said:
They’re finally looking primarily at the numbers in hospital, rather than the raw case numbers of the young and asymptotic?CarlottaVance said:
Whitty at the Press Conference said "cases might be higher than they are today" - unless admissions and deaths start to spike they'll hold the course.Cookie said:
But this was all in the models. In fact, we're well under what the models predicted, I think. And the models still had us opening up. 22000 is a big number but no bigger than where we expected to be. 3 and 227 are more significant.Daveyboy1961 said:
I am not convinced about the 19th myself, especially after 22000 in the uk and 670 in Wales...FrancisUrquhart said:
I presume she kept quiet about the Matt Hancock business.....Anabobazina said:Victoria Derbyshire either doesn’t get it, or is actively refusing to accept that 19 July is happening.
Victoria Derbyshire is a menace to society.1 -
Could be worth a fortune to the bio weapons division, Sunil, if we can get it past ICC security.Sunil_Prasannan said:Had my second AZ jab a few hours ago (managed to bring it forward a couple of weeks). So far so good!
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A good point, and that particular data is, I hope, part of the conversation.MaxPB said:
We're at about a 50-60% weekly rise in cases but about a 10% rise in hospitalisations. And as always, I'd like to point out that we still aren't being told what proportion of hospitalisations are coming from unvaccinated by choice.turbotubbs said:
22000 is artifiicial as it is catching up on yesterday (England). Average England cases ;last two days 15000.Daveyboy1961 said:
I am not convinced about the 19th myself, especially after 22000 in the uk and 670 in Wales...FrancisUrquhart said:
I presume she kept quiet about the Matt Hancock business.....Anabobazina said:Victoria Derbyshire either doesn’t get it, or is actively refusing to accept that 19 July is happening.
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Today is a bit artificial due to yesterdays under report.Andy_JS said:Today's figures:
Cases +22,868
Deaths +3
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/0 -
Really pleased to hear this. Take care of yourself.DavidL said:
Taking it easy at home thanks. Going to be somewhat under powered for a while yet but the projection is positive.TimT said:
@ DavidL. Glad to see you back and hope you are doing well after your recent scare.DavidL said:
Yes I do know. The variants of concern as they call them, which have basically been the SA one, Kent and now Delta, have each increased the infectivity of the virus and its propensity to spread. The evolutionary advantage of this is obvious and there is a recognised tendency for viruses to develop in this way, also becoming more benign because this keeps their host alive for longer allowing more opportunities for transmission. Going by the past pattern it seems inevitable that an even more infectious variant than delta will be along very shortly.turbotubbs said:
You do know that there are hundreds of variants don't you? Only a few have characteristics that make a material difference to its ability to make people ill. And it cannot change too much it loses the ability to say bind to the ACE-2 receptors.DavidL said:
Its' good but not good enough. It leaves several million people unvaccinated and even more with only partial protection. We need to find ways to incentivise those we have missed, go looking for them and persuade. There is a lot to do here and it is very important to our protection from not only delta but the next variant off the block (which must surely be overdue).Malmesbury said:
The first vaccination rate in the UK is about 0.4% of adult population per day, with the number as of yesterday at 84% of adults. Wales strongly suggests that it will top out at about 89% of adults.DavidL said:
Sigh. Absolutely no question what should be top of Sajid's in-tray. Indeed, empty the bloody in-tray into the bin and put the rate of vaccination back in. Nothing that is in our power is more important economically, socially, healthwise. Nothing.FrancisUrquhart said:263,267 vaccinations in 🇬🇧 yesterday
🏴 118,366 1st doses / 97,993 2nd doses
🏴 17,869 / 12,418
🏴 944 / 8,766
NI 2,533 / 4,378
That means in about 12-14 days*, the first vaccinations will be over - in terms of people actually trying to get vaccinated.
The supply pipeline for vaccines is months long and you can't just get an extra delivery.
So no, he can't change anything at this point.
*Yes - that assumes it doesn't tail off.
We need to be careful of variants, but there is little prospect of a sudden emergence of a variant which completely evades the current vaccines.
The evidence to date is that none of these variants defeat the vaccine but in countries like ours where the majority of potential hosts are vaccinated the ability to do so would be a huge evolutionary advantage and any such variant would become dominant very quickly. We need to stay alert to this but the priority is to protect as many people as possible as quickly as possible.
Eldest has today had his first vaccine. So that's all 3 children with a first vaccine dose. A big relief.
An even bigger one was seeing him use a helmet when he went off on his bike. He's been silly about not using it before but the accident last week and his badly bruised head has changed his mind - in a way that all my nagging and begging didn't.
Children!11 -
Contrarian aside, most will be easily persuaded that the risk of serious health impacts to letting rip in secondary schools is worse than vaccination in them.
Does anyone have any data on the risk of hospitalisation for the under 12s please? And the under 5s?0 -
You're mixing up quotes again, Ishmael!IshmaelZ said:
Could be worth a fortune to the bio weapons division, Sunil, if we can get it past ICC security.Sunil_Prasannan said:Had my second AZ jab a few hours ago (managed to bring it forward a couple of weeks). So far so good!
Burke: Look, those two specimens are worth millions to the bio-weapons division. Now, if you're smart, we can both come out of it as heroes, and we will be set up for life.
Ripley: [beat] You're crazy, Burke, you know that? You really think you can get a dangerous organism like that past ICC quarantine?0 -
That ship has sailed. It is already ripping through secondary schools. It will be interesting to see the numbers of children in hospital and, god forbid, deaths in the coming days and weeks.moonshine said:Contrarian aside, most will be easily persuaded that the risk of serious health impacts to letting rip in secondary schools is worse than vaccination in them.
Does anyone have any data on the risk of hospitalisation for the under 12s please? And the under 5s?0 -
Many congratulations to you both!HYUFD said:
Yes, been married for over a week now thanks and just returned from a Cotswolds honeymoonBig_G_NorthWales said:1 -
I am now on a heavy dose of blood thinning tablets and under instructions to turn up at Casualty if I bump my head in any meaningful way. My nascent career as professional abseiler and paraglider may have to go on hold!Cyclefree said:
Really pleased to hear this. Take care of yourself.DavidL said:
Taking it easy at home thanks. Going to be somewhat under powered for a while yet but the projection is positive.TimT said:
@ DavidL. Glad to see you back and hope you are doing well after your recent scare.DavidL said:
Yes I do know. The variants of concern as they call them, which have basically been the SA one, Kent and now Delta, have each increased the infectivity of the virus and its propensity to spread. The evolutionary advantage of this is obvious and there is a recognised tendency for viruses to develop in this way, also becoming more benign because this keeps their host alive for longer allowing more opportunities for transmission. Going by the past pattern it seems inevitable that an even more infectious variant than delta will be along very shortly.turbotubbs said:
You do know that there are hundreds of variants don't you? Only a few have characteristics that make a material difference to its ability to make people ill. And it cannot change too much it loses the ability to say bind to the ACE-2 receptors.DavidL said:
Its' good but not good enough. It leaves several million people unvaccinated and even more with only partial protection. We need to find ways to incentivise those we have missed, go looking for them and persuade. There is a lot to do here and it is very important to our protection from not only delta but the next variant off the block (which must surely be overdue).Malmesbury said:
The first vaccination rate in the UK is about 0.4% of adult population per day, with the number as of yesterday at 84% of adults. Wales strongly suggests that it will top out at about 89% of adults.DavidL said:
Sigh. Absolutely no question what should be top of Sajid's in-tray. Indeed, empty the bloody in-tray into the bin and put the rate of vaccination back in. Nothing that is in our power is more important economically, socially, healthwise. Nothing.FrancisUrquhart said:263,267 vaccinations in 🇬🇧 yesterday
🏴 118,366 1st doses / 97,993 2nd doses
🏴 17,869 / 12,418
🏴 944 / 8,766
NI 2,533 / 4,378
That means in about 12-14 days*, the first vaccinations will be over - in terms of people actually trying to get vaccinated.
The supply pipeline for vaccines is months long and you can't just get an extra delivery.
So no, he can't change anything at this point.
*Yes - that assumes it doesn't tail off.
We need to be careful of variants, but there is little prospect of a sudden emergence of a variant which completely evades the current vaccines.
The evidence to date is that none of these variants defeat the vaccine but in countries like ours where the majority of potential hosts are vaccinated the ability to do so would be a huge evolutionary advantage and any such variant would become dominant very quickly. We need to stay alert to this but the priority is to protect as many people as possible as quickly as possible.
Eldest has today had his first vaccine. So that's all 3 children with a first vaccine dose. A big relief.
An even bigger one was seeing him use a helmet when he went off on his bike. He's been silly about not using it before but the accident last week and his badly bruised head has changed his mind - in a way that all my nagging and begging didn't.
Children!6 -
For England, over the entire epidemic, admissionsmoonshine said:Contrarian aside, most will be easily persuaded that the risk of serious health impacts to letting rip in secondary schools is worse than vaccination in them.
Does anyone have any data on the risk of hospitalisation for the under 12s please? And the under 5s?
0 to 5 3,057
6 to 17 3,005
18 to 64 145,063
65 to 84 165,006
85+ 83,736
as a percentage
0 to 5 0.76%
6 to 17 0.75%
18 to 64 36.28%
65 to 84 41.27%
85+ 20.94%
and for deaths
00 04 10 0.01%
05 09 6 0.01%
10 14 13 0.01%
15 19 31 0.03%
20 24 59 0.05%
25 29 120 0.11%
30 34 214 0.19%
35 39 360 0.32%
40 44 578 0.51%
45 49 1,138 1.01%
50 54 2,019 1.79%
55 59 3,307 2.94%
60 64 3,894 3.46%
65 69 8,119 7.21%
70 74 11,079 9.84%
75 79 15,348 13.63%
80 84 20,450 18.16%
85 89 22,282 19.78%
90+ 23,604 20.96%0 -
On topic, isn't it strange that C2DE Remainers are more pro-Boris than C2DE Leavers?3
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So 29 under-15s, and 60 under-19s in the deaths column, with 6,000 under-18s in hospital.Malmesbury said:
For England, over the entire epidemic, admissionsmoonshine said:Contrarian aside, most will be easily persuaded that the risk of serious health impacts to letting rip in secondary schools is worse than vaccination in them.
Does anyone have any data on the risk of hospitalisation for the under 12s please? And the under 5s?
0 to 5 3,057
6 to 17 3,005
18 to 64 145,063
65 to 84 165,006
85+ 83,736
as a percentage
0 to 5 0.76%
6 to 17 0.75%
18 to 64 36.28%
65 to 84 41.27%
85+ 20.94%
and for deaths
00 04 10 0.01%
05 09 6 0.01%
10 14 13 0.01%
15 19 31 0.03%
20 24 59 0.05%
25 29 120 0.11%
30 34 214 0.19%
35 39 360 0.32%
40 44 578 0.51%
45 49 1,138 1.01%
50 54 2,019 1.79%
55 59 3,307 2.94%
60 64 3,894 3.46%
65 69 8,119 7.21%
70 74 11,079 9.84%
75 79 15,348 13.63%
80 84 20,450 18.16%
85 89 22,282 19.78%
90+ 23,604 20.96%
Get your teenagers vaccinated!0 -
Congrats to HYUFD!
Also, on choosing to honeymoon in the Midlands, like the true patriot you are.4 -
Do try and visit Westonbirt Arboretum. A magical place.kinabalu said:HYUFD said:
I think spending hours on PB on honeymoon would not have gone down well with the Mrs and rightly so.kinabalu said:
No posting from honeymoon then. Lack of commitment there. You know that Jack Nicklaus played lots of golf on his? Yep - that's why he has 18 majors.HYUFD said:Thankyou everyone for the congratulations, much appreciated
We had a nice time though, went to lots of lovely villages and small towns, Castle Combe, Tetbury, Chipping Camden, Stow on the Wold, Chipping Norton and Sudeley Castle and Snowshill, Cheltenham and Worcester. We also had Bob Mortimer and Paul Whitehouse staying in the same hotel as us near Tewkesbury for a few days, no doubt filming something - Sounds perfect. We're going in the Autumn. Doing some arboretum type things.0 -
Re the Gmail accounts for Ministers, if anyone at work sent any work material (not just very confidential stuff) to a private email address, it was automatically a disciplinary offence - sometimes leading to dismissal.
I am surprised that it isn't the same in government - not the disciplinaries - but the absolute ban on non-government email accounts. It is utterly insecure and very very poor practice.8 -
Ministers using gmail and government departments using Chinese CCTV cameras.....you might as well just publish everything on the internet for every foreign power to see what you are up to. Save them from 10 mins of work.Cyclefree said:Re the Gmail accounts for Ministers, if anyone at work sent any work material (not just very confidential stuff) to a private email address, it was automatically a disciplinary offence - sometimes leading to dismissal.
I am surprised that it isn't the same in government - not the disciplinaries - but the absolute ban on non-government email accounts. It is utterly insecure and very very poor practice.2 -
There's history here. You'll never (i.e. really easily) guess who.Cyclefree said:Re the Gmail accounts for Ministers, if anyone at work sent any work material (not just very confidential stuff) to a private email address, it was automatically a disciplinary offence - sometimes leading to dismissal.
I am surprised that it isn't the same in government - not the disciplinaries - but the absolute ban on non-government email accounts. It is utterly insecure and very very poor practice.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2011/sep/20/michael-gove-department-private-email1 -
What were you sent off for? Verbals?isam said:
Our left back threw it to me and everyone seemed marked, so I passed it back to the keeper to start again. It trickled insquareroot2 said:
Why would you pass back from. near halfway? My brother told me he switched off when England did it during their last match...isam said:
I scored the equaliser and got sent off, match finished 2-20
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