In a Tweet how Johnson’s handling of the Christmas lockdown exposes his big weakness – politicalbett
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Sure - it's just about the fun and the difficulty of framing the bet.ydoethur said:
I’ll accept that, separately from the bet I’m negotiating with @rkrkrk, but if you want to come in on whatever we agree later you’re welcome to as far as I’m concerned.Omnium said:
So a tenner then on your terms?ydoethur said:
The bet I am offering is that the government will not announce any closure of schools or reduction in those permitted to attend prior to the 15th Jan, although @rkrkrk suggests 1st Feb.Omnium said:
I'll happily bet with you - proceeds to PB funds.ydoethur said:My bet of £10 to site funds that the government will continue to keep,schools open even if it leads this to be the most disastrous pandemic since 1348 remains open to anyone who will take me up.
If they didn’t close them on the 9th December when it became blindingly obvious what was happening they won’t do so now.
But what is the bet? Odds may vary!
"UK government (England) to not introduce further curtailment of school hours"?
"UK government (England) to not indefinitely close any schools for covid reasons"?
There has to be a timeline too.
You choose the terms - at evens, and then I'll choose the side. Fair enough?
I'll happily also give a tenner to PB funds anyway so that I in fact can't win, and I've seen the state of Mike's suits.
These tricky definitions were of course discussed a day or so ago by Mr Meeks.
Make the best definition you can of the bet.
Loser just pays a tenner to PB?
(Let's narrow it down to the government in Westminster to make it clearer anyway, and in your favour)
The bet is sealed assuming you agree as to the above. I'll also agree to you being the arbiter of win/lose.
It'll be interesting to see what the wrinkles might be on 15th Jan.
And the endless bragging rights.
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Very possiblyrottenborough said:
Fresh food crisis within days?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It really is as it will not only affect French imports but Spanish. Italian and most of all Irish freight through HolyheadWhisperingOracle said:
This is a major crisis, no doubt.DecrepiterJohnL said:
But if France is blocking imports starting tonight, for 48 hours, it will surely jam up the ports as much of the traffic will already be on its way.Black_Rook said:
If that's true then it should mean we can still get imports into the country, so that oughtn't necessarily to affect the vaccine shipments.rottenborough said:
Here we go.Scott_xP said:About those deliveries...
https://twitter.com/adamparsons/status/1340729177910239234
Full blown crisis incoming.
Anybody exporting by container ought also to be fine. Don't know about air cargo - if the pilots don't need to disembark at their destination and they turn around and come straight back then hopefully that should remain open too. But that's the end of road traffic to the Continent for the time being. Even if the Dutch and Belgian ports remain open for truckers, demand would presumably massively outstrip supply.1 -
Given the number of French in London, there has to be a decent chance it’s too late anyway. It’s almost certainly made it to France already.0
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Ten days would still be too long.Mortimer said:
10 days after first shot gives a great deal of protection, the studies show IIRCydoethur said:
Too late given it takes five weeks to achieve protection.rottenborough said:
Should we immediate vaccinate cross channel lorry drivers?WhisperingOracle said:If this isn't turned around pretty rapidly, I'm afraid to say we may well see food shortages.
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I suspect they'll refine it down to a 0.4 to 0.6 zone over the next few weeks.FrancisUrquhart said:Bloody hell....adding 0.4 to R apparently was the low end of the estimate.
Documents discussed by government advisers on Friday show 0.4 to be at the lower end of the estimate
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-reports-highest-daily-increase-in-cases-as-concerns-grow-over-new-virus-strain-12168687
Seeing as SeanT isn't here I'll do the conspiracy - he could add a sequel to his book here: Chinese agent flies into London from Beijing and drops an extra mutant variant in a few cafes and pubs as "revenge" for the UK's stance on Hong Kong and leading of Western Government opinion against the CCP.1 -
That is just irresponsibleScott_xP said:0 -
Being mocked by a Belgian for incompetence in fighting Covid is a really bad low.Scott_xP said:
It’s like being kicked out of the University of Wales Lampeter back in the day for bullying the staff.
Or being criticised by Lance Armstrong for cheating.0 -
Boris’ government had better be right that we have a deadly mutated COVID gonerampant here and are number 1 threat to the world, and it wasn’t just a clever wheeze to get them through a difficult u turn after taking breaks off 2.0 too much.Foxy said:Bloody Hell, El Salvador thinks we are too dangerous.
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I despise being right here.
In around June I wrote of the worst case being the UK COVID peak being in New Year, being worse than the neighbours and causing France to blockade us, as a bad no deal Brexit meant there was no reason to keep us sweet.
I soon managed to Google a memorandum of understanding between France and us pledging to protect transport between the two countries, and suggested that WAS the Brexit deal. Whence that?
And this is worse still, COVID has apparently worsened in its very nature, and is most specifically targeting Kent whose numbers means it teeters on an NHS overwhelm situation in the next fortnight (is the Nightingale being stood back up in London yet?) just as no deal hits in the very same location, and precisely where very large camps of transient workers are due to set up in almost certainly poor conditions.
This does have proper catastrophe potential.0 -
Is that a different Belgium from the one with a chart-topping 1597 deaths per million population?Scott_xP said:2 -
I've been wondering about this. If the government has even slightly played up the significance of the strain for internal domestic policy reasons , and then were to bring about the effects of international isolation we're beginning to see as a result of that , that would put its previous mis-steps in the shade.Scott_xP said:
Nothing like that is yet at all clear, I would stress, and to be fair.0 -
Also up on the windows of the closed Spoons in the Barking Road. I note two articles cited from the Daily Mail (so it must be true) last month.dixiedean said:
Similar in the Milecastle Spoons window in Toon on Thursday. Won't be going ever again.Gallowgate said:In other news, Wetherspoons have put on quite a spectacle in Morpeth, Northumberland.
When the Conservatives schism between the loyalists and the anti-Lockdown mob led by Farage, I presume the latter will be hoping to hold their unmasked non-distanced meetings in the local Spoons at a heavily discounted rate?0 -
So Scott do you think NERVTAG are lying? You can go read the minutes yourself if you want to get it from the source. If not, why do you post such stuff?Scott_xP said:6 -
Except for his strategy and execution for the election. That was a masterclass. But governing - no. Piss poor on every level.FF43 said:Specifically, Johnson is a procrastinating risk-taker. Which is a contradiction, and definitely not a good combination in a leader.
He doesn't go all-in on a strategy that could win big, nor is he steady-as-you-go-we-will-get-there-in-the-end. Instead you end up with chaos to no effect.1 -
Absolutely. There's a lot of "everyone knows" assumptions about lockdowns that actual studies don't back up.dixiedean said:My youngest is stressed about attending school. Every week, he hears of pupils and their families testing positive and is worried about infecting his parents. His mental health has noticeably improved since they broke up.
The idea schools are open for the sake of kids' mental health is another lazy assertion which ought to be challenged.
For some it will be good, some bad.
Children's mental health is one of them. "Everyone knows" that it was devastaing for children's mental well being. The studies done say children's mental health actually improved markedly.0 -
To be honest, it is difficult to believe that the speed which this thing seems to be spreading in London can be anything other than the "new strain" theory. (unless there has been an enormous ramping up of testing. The acceleration has been incredibly sudden.WhisperingOracle said:
I've been wondering about this. If the govt has even slightly played up the significance of the strain for internal domestic policy reasons, and then were to bring about the effects of international isolation we're beginning to see as a result of it, that would put its previous mis-steps in the shade.Scott_xP said:
That's not yet clear at all, I would stress, and to be fair.0 -
Completely irresponsible posting from Scott.Scott_xP said:
First, Belgium is worst in the world in COVID normalised to population.
Second, and even more importantly, the UK Government scientists are not the Government. They are not Boris. This would imply that UK scientists are complicit in an enormous fraud.
It is harsh call, but you are probably the worst poster here in transmitting completely irresponsible rubbish.2 -
If the government lock down schools, you’re welcome to the bragging rights.Omnium said:
Sure - it's just about the fun and the difficulty of framing the bet.ydoethur said:
I’ll accept that, separately from the bet I’m negotiating with @rkrkrk, but if you want to come in on whatever we agree later you’re welcome to as far as I’m concerned.Omnium said:
So a tenner then on your terms?ydoethur said:
The bet I am offering is that the government will not announce any closure of schools or reduction in those permitted to attend prior to the 15th Jan, although @rkrkrk suggests 1st Feb.Omnium said:
I'll happily bet with you - proceeds to PB funds.ydoethur said:My bet of £10 to site funds that the government will continue to keep,schools open even if it leads this to be the most disastrous pandemic since 1348 remains open to anyone who will take me up.
If they didn’t close them on the 9th December when it became blindingly obvious what was happening they won’t do so now.
But what is the bet? Odds may vary!
"UK government (England) to not introduce further curtailment of school hours"?
"UK government (England) to not indefinitely close any schools for covid reasons"?
There has to be a timeline too.
You choose the terms - at evens, and then I'll choose the side. Fair enough?
I'll happily also give a tenner to PB funds anyway so that I in fact can't win, and I've seen the state of Mike's suits.
These tricky definitions were of course discussed a day or so ago by Mr Meeks.
Make the best definition you can of the bet.
Loser just pays a tenner to PB?
(Let's narrow it down to the government in Westminster to make it clearer anyway, and in your favour)
The bet is sealed assuming you agree as to the above. I'll also agree to you being the arbiter of win/lose.
It'll be interesting to see what the wrinkles might be on 15th Jan.
And the endless bragging rights.
I’ve seen them fight to keep them open long past the point of reason, and refuse to even consider flexibility on key points like exams. I am increasingly convinced the only way schools will be shut down and the disease contained is if teachers strike. But I doubt if many could afford to strike for a whole month, even if they wanted to (which we wouldn’t).0 -
Ol' Chen at least seems to have a command of the vernacular
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Well no, because all the key French are in London. Imagining that they may communicate with those still stranded in France is ridiculous. You clearly don't understand the French! Mon Dieu!tlg86 said:Given the number of French in London, there has to be a decent chance it’s too late anyway. It’s almost certainly made it to France already.
It's not so likely that the new strain evolved in the UK anyway. Far more likely it originated elsewhere (simply by numbers of cases)0 -
Don’t forget, EU, who won’t sign a trade deal with us are on verge of signing one with China.Casino_Royale said:
I suspect they'll refine it down to a 0.4 to 0.6 zone over the next few weeks.FrancisUrquhart said:Bloody hell....adding 0.4 to R apparently was the low end of the estimate.
Documents discussed by government advisers on Friday show 0.4 to be at the lower end of the estimate
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-reports-highest-daily-increase-in-cases-as-concerns-grow-over-new-virus-strain-12168687
Seeing as SeanT isn't here I'll do the conspiracy - he could add a sequel to his book here: Chinese agent flies into London from Beijing and drops an extra mutant variant in a few cafes and pubs as "revenge" for the UK's stance on Hong Kong and leading of Western Government opinion against the CCP.0 -
Belgium can fuck the right off.Scott_xP said:1 -
It does look as if hubris has come back to bite us on the arse, after boasting that Britain was having a less damaging second wave than the continental mainland.WhisperingOracle said:
I've been wondering about this. If the govt has even slightly played up the significance of the strain for internal domestic policy reasons, and then were to bring about the effects of international isolation we're beginning to see as a result of that , that would put its previous mis-steps in the shade.Scott_xP said:
Nothing like that is yet at all clear, I would stress, and to be fair.0 -
Agreed and this is seriously misleadingYBarddCwsc said:
Completely irresponsible posting from Scott.Scott_xP said:
First, Belgium is worst in the world in COVID normalised to population.
Second, and even more importantly, the UK Government scientists are not the Government. They are not Boris. This would imply that UK scientists are complicit in an enormous fraud.
It is harsh call, but you are probably the worst poster here in transmitting completely irresponsible rubbish.2 -
Why are the snowflakes so upset that the Belgians think BoZo is an untrustworthy liar?
We all know he is an untrustworthy liar?
Why are they triggered by the Belgians pointing that out?1 -
The fact that the suggestion is being made is itself interesting to me (and a lot of other posters by the look of it). I don't think Scott is endorsing it.glw said:
So Scott do you think NERVTAG are lying? You can go read the minutes yourself if you want to get it from the source. If not, why do you post such stuff?Scott_xP said:
What a rubbish acronym NERVTAG is, sounds like a lame attempt to update SPECTRE in the Bond franchise.0 -
Come off it. Have you seen the utter drivel that contrarian posts?YBarddCwsc said:
Completely irresponsible posting from Scott.Scott_xP said:
First, Belgium is worst in the world in COVID normalised to population.
Second, and even more importantly, the UK Government scientists are not the Government. They are not Boris. This would imply that UK scientists are complicit in an enormous fraud.
It is harsh call, but you are probably the worst poster here in transmitting completely irresponsible rubbish.3 -
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Nervtag made it up?WhisperingOracle said:
I've been wondering about this. If the govt has even slightly played up the significance of the strain for internal domestic policy reasons, and then were to bring about the effects of international isolation we're beginning to see as a result of it, that would put its previous mis-steps in the shade.Scott_xP said:
That's not yet clear at all, I would stress, and to be fair.2 -
But we will be lumbered with it just as Spain was lumbered with Spanish flu.Omnium said:
Well no, because all the key French are in London. Imagining that they may communicate with those still stranded in France is ridiculous. You clearly don't understand the French! Mon Dieu!tlg86 said:Given the number of French in London, there has to be a decent chance it’s too late anyway. It’s almost certainly made it to France already.
It's not so likely that the new strain evolved in the UK anyway. Far more likely it originated elsewhere (simply by numbers of cases)0 -
I think the only thing you have demonstrated with that tweet is that Yvon Englert, Bruno Waterfield, and Jon Stone all have poor judgement.Scott_xP said:
So that you can be informed what is happening in the World.glw said:why do you post such stuff?
How our neighbours view us.
What impact BoZo and chums clown circus is having on our lives.1 -
Maybe we'll discover that the few weeks when French cases went through the roof (maxing out at around 90k from memory) was a version of this. Hopefully so, because it might suggest that it can burn out very quickly.Omnium said:
Well no, because all the key French are in London. Imagining that they may communicate with those still stranded in France is ridiculous. You clearly don't understand the French! Mon Dieu!tlg86 said:Given the number of French in London, there has to be a decent chance it’s too late anyway. It’s almost certainly made it to France already.
It's not so likely that the new strain evolved in the UK anyway. Far more likely it originated elsewhere (simply by numbers of cases)
Then again, the french responded with a return to Max lockdown (which was harsher than what we ever had). We've still go people mingling about drinking takeway pub beers. Sorry "exercising".1 -
Because it is fake news and you posted itScott_xP said:Why are the snowflakes so upset that the Belgians think BoZo is an untrustworthy liar?
We all know he is an untrustworthy liar?
Why are they triggered by the Belgians pointing that out?2 -
Yeah, completely absurd to suggest the whole thing was made up for domestic consumption.Flatlander said:
Nervtag made it up?WhisperingOracle said:
I've been wondering about this. If the govt has even slightly played up the significance of the strain for internal domestic policy reasons, and then were to bring about the effects of international isolation we're beginning to see as a result of it, that would put its previous mis-steps in the shade.Scott_xP said:
That's not yet clear at all, I would stress, and to be fair.2 -
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Bojo is a liar. He's a politician. Politicians lie. Big fucking deal.Scott_xP said:Why are the snowflakes so upset that the Belgians think BoZo is an untrustworthy liar?
We all know he is an untrustworthy liar?
Why are they triggered by the Belgians pointing that out?
But, you are also suggesting that Government scientists are liars as well ... and on a very serious matter.
You are posting material that is attacking their scientific integrity, with no evidence at all.
(Let us recall that ScottP's knowledge of science is so basic that it required a whole platoon of posters to explain the Monty Hall problem to him. And he still did not understand it).1 -
The charge wouldn't be making it up, just selective emphasis. At the moment that looks unlikely, because of rapidly rising cases and an apparent change in the pattern of the disease, but depending on how things develop it shouldn't be taboo, either.RobD said:
Yeah, completely absurd to suggest the whole thing was made up for domestic consumption.Flatlander said:
Nervtag made it up?WhisperingOracle said:
I've been wondering about this. If the govt has even slightly played up the significance of the strain for internal domestic policy reasons, and then were to bring about the effects of international isolation we're beginning to see as a result of it, that would put its previous mis-steps in the shade.Scott_xP said:
That's not yet clear at all, I would stress, and to be fair.0 -
I don't think that would justify the panic. Maybe it's 0.4 on top of whatever it was supposed to be for the lockdown, turning 0.8 into 1.2 or something like that, which would justify panic stations.FrancisUrquhart said:
I would guess they mean to base value of the R value, which is what ~3-4 for COVID.Gaussian said:
Somebody will need to explain to me how it can add a constant value to R. Surely there's a different increase when spreading freely or when under lockdown. The 70% increase on R seems more plausible.FrancisUrquhart said:Bloody hell....adding 0.4 to R apparently was the low end of the estimate.
Documents discussed by government advisers on Friday show 0.4 to be at the lower end of the estimate
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-reports-highest-daily-increase-in-cases-as-concerns-grow-over-new-virus-strain-12168687
In any case, it's the exponential growth during lockdown light I find the most scary bit in that article. We haven't got much more than shutting the schools left in the armoury.0 -
Not sure why you are surprised. That is Scott's whole raison d'etre.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Because it is fake news and you posted itScott_xP said:Why are the snowflakes so upset that the Belgians think BoZo is an untrustworthy liar?
We all know he is an untrustworthy liar?
Why are they triggered by the Belgians pointing that out?2 -
Isn't the evidence presented in the meetings of that committee? I don't see how anyone could suggest they were making it up, or using selective emphasis. If anything, they are underplaying how significant this is given their usage of the lower estimate for the increase to R.WhisperingOracle said:
The charge wouldn't be making up, just selective emphasis. At the moment that looks unlikely, because of rapidly rising cases, but depending on how things develop it shouldn't be taboo, either.RobD said:
Yeah, completely absurd to suggest the whole thing was made up for domestic consumption.Flatlander said:
Nervtag made it up?WhisperingOracle said:
I've been wondering about this. If the govt has even slightly played up the significance of the strain for internal domestic policy reasons, and then were to bring about the effects of international isolation we're beginning to see as a result of it, that would put its previous mis-steps in the shade.Scott_xP said:
That's not yet clear at all, I would stress, and to be fair.0 -
Come back to us on that once you have achieved an O level understanding of evolution by natural selection.YBarddCwsc said:
Bojo is a liar. He's a politician. Politicians lie. Big fucking deal.Scott_xP said:Why are the snowflakes so upset that the Belgians think BoZo is an untrustworthy liar?
We all know he is an untrustworthy liar?
Why are they triggered by the Belgians pointing that out?
But, you are also suggesting that Government scientists are liars as well ... and on a very serious matter.
You are posting material that is attacking their scientific integrity, with no evidence at all.
(Let us recall that ScottP's knowledge of science is so basic that it required a whole platoon of posters to explain the Monty Hall problem to him. And he still did not understand it).0 -
Of course he is endorsing it. Scott only ever posts tweets that are in line with his views. Thing is I actually agree with some of his views but even I find him tedious and pointless.IshmaelZ said:
The fact that the suggestion is being made is itself interesting to me (and a lot of other posters by the look of it). I don't think Scott is endorsing it.glw said:
So Scott do you think NERVTAG are lying? You can go read the minutes yourself if you want to get it from the source. If not, why do you post such stuff?Scott_xP said:
What a rubbish acronym NERVTAG is, sounds like a lame attempt to update SPECTRE in the Bond franchise.2 -
But again, the charge wouldn't be making it up, just emphasising a particular facet of the crisis partly as cover for reversing policies.RobD said:
Isn't the evidence presented in the meetings of that committee? I don't see how anyone could suggest they were making it up, or using selective emphasis. If anything, they are underplaying how significant this is given their usage of the lower estimate for the increase to R.WhisperingOracle said:
The charge wouldn't be making up, just selective emphasis. At the moment that looks unlikely, because of rapidly rising cases, but depending on how things develop it shouldn't be taboo, either.RobD said:
Yeah, completely absurd to suggest the whole thing was made up for domestic consumption.Flatlander said:
Nervtag made it up?WhisperingOracle said:
I've been wondering about this. If the govt has even slightly played up the significance of the strain for internal domestic policy reasons, and then were to bring about the effects of international isolation we're beginning to see as a result of it, that would put its previous mis-steps in the shade.Scott_xP said:
That's not yet clear at all, I would stress, and to be fair.
To be clear, I'm not saying his has happened, but I don't think it should be banned from discussion, either, however the disease is developing - and it is undeniably spreading faster.0 -
Contrarian is ... err, contrarian.ydoethur said:
Come off it. Have you seen the utter drivel that contrarian posts?YBarddCwsc said:
Completely irresponsible posting from Scott.Scott_xP said:
First, Belgium is worst in the world in COVID normalised to population.
Second, and even more importantly, the UK Government scientists are not the Government. They are not Boris. This would imply that UK scientists are complicit in an enormous fraud.
It is harsh call, but you are probably the worst poster here in transmitting completely irresponsible rubbish.
Contrarian would be correct if the time taken to make & distribute the vaccine was ∞0 -
If the Lorries aren't allowed into France Ireland Italy etc then surely they will not be coming back loaded with freight. Shortages incoming but nothing else0
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The UK government has definitely played up the new strain, as a justification for new strict measures. It's easier to blame strict measures directly on the virus than to accept these measures are necessary to undo the damage they themselves caused by not keeping on top of the virus.WhisperingOracle said:
I've been wondering about this. If the government has even slightly played up the significance of the strain for internal domestic policy reasons , and then were to bring about the effects of international isolation we're beginning to see as a result of that , that would put its previous mis-steps in the shade.Scott_xP said:
Nothing like that is yet at all clear, I would stress, and to be fair.
But you have to be careful in your logic. Just because the government blames the new strain for failures in their handling of the virus, which have largely nothing to do with the new strain, it doesn't mean the new strain is benign.
What the Belgian virologists are querying is that there are many, many mutations out there, similar to this one. Why should the UK strain be uniquely virulent compared with the thousands of others?
I should add, none of this makes any difference to whether other countries will take precautionary measures against the UK. They will anyway. That bit can't be laid at the government's door.0 -
Our problem is that BoZo is not just an untrustworthy liar, but that he is a jinxed untrustworthy liar. The man is a total shit magnet, who deflects the turds at us with a giant fan.Scott_xP said:Why are the snowflakes so upset that the Belgians think BoZo is an untrustworthy liar?
We all know he is an untrustworthy liar?
Why are they triggered by the Belgians pointing that out?0 -
We all know his anti brexit stance but to endorse a tweet virtually mocking our scientists in this crisis of all crisis shows he has lost all balance and even common senseRichard_Tyndall said:
Not sure why you are surprised. That is Scott's whole raison d'etre.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Because it is fake news and you posted itScott_xP said:Why are the snowflakes so upset that the Belgians think BoZo is an untrustworthy liar?
We all know he is an untrustworthy liar?
Why are they triggered by the Belgians pointing that out?2 -
So they are suggesting that had the government not been incompetent in the past, they wouldn't have imposed tighter restrictions after an outbreak of a variant that was far more transmissible? I don't buy it.WhisperingOracle said:
But again, the charge wouldn't be making it up. It would be emphasising a particular facet of the crisis as a cover for reversing policies.RobD said:
Isn't the evidence presented in the meetings of that committee? I don't see how anyone could suggest they were making it up, or using selective emphasis. If anything, they are underplaying how significant this is given their usage of the lower estimate for the increase to R.WhisperingOracle said:
The charge wouldn't be making up, just selective emphasis. At the moment that looks unlikely, because of rapidly rising cases, but depending on how things develop it shouldn't be taboo, either.RobD said:
Yeah, completely absurd to suggest the whole thing was made up for domestic consumption.Flatlander said:
Nervtag made it up?WhisperingOracle said:
I've been wondering about this. If the govt has even slightly played up the significance of the strain for internal domestic policy reasons, and then were to bring about the effects of international isolation we're beginning to see as a result of it, that would put its previous mis-steps in the shade.Scott_xP said:
That's not yet clear at all, I would stress, and to be fair.
To be clear, I'm not saying his has happened, but I don't think it should be banned as a possibility, either, however the disease is developing - and it is undeniably spreading faster.0 -
Contrarian would be correct if evolution was false and the Titanic was really Olympic.YBarddCwsc said:
Contrarian is ... err, contrarian.ydoethur said:
Come off it. Have you seen the utter drivel that contrarian posts?YBarddCwsc said:
Completely irresponsible posting from Scott.Scott_xP said:
First, Belgium is worst in the world in COVID normalised to population.
Second, and even more importantly, the UK Government scientists are not the Government. They are not Boris. This would imply that UK scientists are complicit in an enormous fraud.
It is harsh call, but you are probably the worst poster here in transmitting completely irresponsible rubbish.
Contrarian would be correct if the time taken to make & distribute the vaccine was ∞
But they aren’t, so he isn’t.1 -
What proportion of lorry drivers would be British/Irish and what from the continent? Given that the latter look like they might be stuck here for the foreseeable?bigjohnowls said:If the Lorries aren't allowed into France Ireland Italy etc then surely they will not be coming back loaded with freight. Shortages incoming but nothing else
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Only Belgian I listen to is Poirot.Scott_xP said:Why are the snowflakes so upset that the Belgians think BoZo is an untrustworthy liar?
We all know he is an untrustworthy liar?
Why are they triggered by the Belgians pointing that out?2 -
Really? I have always found him to be tiresomly predictable, like Toby Young.YBarddCwsc said:
Contrarian is ... err, contrarian.ydoethur said:
Come off it. Have you seen the utter drivel that contrarian posts?YBarddCwsc said:
Completely irresponsible posting from Scott.Scott_xP said:
First, Belgium is worst in the world in COVID normalised to population.
Second, and even more importantly, the UK Government scientists are not the Government. They are not Boris. This would imply that UK scientists are complicit in an enormous fraud.
It is harsh call, but you are probably the worst poster here in transmitting completely irresponsible rubbish.
Contrarian would be correct if the time taken to make & distribute the vaccine was ∞1 -
One presumes he dumps all of his feed on here because he doesn't get enough attention over on Twitter.Richard_Tyndall said:
Of course he is endorsing it. Scott only ever posts tweets that are in line with his views. Thing is I actually agree with some of his views but even I find him tedious and pointless.IshmaelZ said:
The fact that the suggestion is being made is itself interesting to me (and a lot of other posters by the look of it). I don't think Scott is endorsing it.glw said:
So Scott do you think NERVTAG are lying? You can go read the minutes yourself if you want to get it from the source. If not, why do you post such stuff?Scott_xP said:
What a rubbish acronym NERVTAG is, sounds like a lame attempt to update SPECTRE in the Bond franchise.
People can just block or mute you there.2 -
Yeah, you're rubbish Mr TyndallRichard_Tyndall said:
Of course he is endorsing it. Scott only ever posts tweets that are in line with his views. Thing is I actually agree with some of his views but even I find him tedious and pointless.IshmaelZ said:
The fact that the suggestion is being made is itself interesting to me (and a lot of other posters by the look of it). I don't think Scott is endorsing it.glw said:
So Scott do you think NERVTAG are lying? You can go read the minutes yourself if you want to get it from the source. If not, why do you post such stuff?Scott_xP said:
What a rubbish acronym NERVTAG is, sounds like a lame attempt to update SPECTRE in the Bond franchise.
If I throw a scattergun of views at you, you're bound to agree with one of them...
(Oddly this seems intoxicatingly condemning, although in reality nothing of the sort)1 -
On that subject:ydoethur said:
Contrarian would be correct if evolution was false and the Titanic was really Olympic.YBarddCwsc said:
Contrarian is ... err, contrarian.ydoethur said:
Come off it. Have you seen the utter drivel that contrarian posts?YBarddCwsc said:
Completely irresponsible posting from Scott.Scott_xP said:
First, Belgium is worst in the world in COVID normalised to population.
Second, and even more importantly, the UK Government scientists are not the Government. They are not Boris. This would imply that UK scientists are complicit in an enormous fraud.
It is harsh call, but you are probably the worst poster here in transmitting completely irresponsible rubbish.
Contrarian would be correct if the time taken to make & distribute the vaccine was ∞
But they aren’t, so he isn’t.
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Remind us which country has had the highest infection and death rates.Scott_xP said:0 -
So who else got Jupiter-Saturn ?1
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Remember: nothing is as good or as bad as at first it appears.0
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The implication being that the British general approach has made the strain worse, where other similar strains have existed and do exist but have been stamped down upon harder?FF43 said:
The UK government has definitely played up the new strain, as a justification for new strict measures. It's easier to blame strict measures directly on the virus than to accept these measures are necessary to undo the damage they themselves caused by not keeping on top of the virus.WhisperingOracle said:
I've been wondering about this. If the government has even slightly played up the significance of the strain for internal domestic policy reasons , and then were to bring about the effects of international isolation we're beginning to see as a result of that , that would put its previous mis-steps in the shade.Scott_xP said:
Nothing like that is yet at all clear, I would stress, and to be fair.
But you have to be careful in your logic. Just because the government blames the new strain for failures in their handling of the virus, which have largely nothing to do with the new strain, it doesn't mean the new strain is benign.
What the Belgian virologists are querying is that there are many, many mutations out there, similar to this one. Why should the UK strain be uniquely virulent compared with the thousands of others?0 -
I have been accused of being a pb Tory and a Corbynite. A prize indeed!IshmaelZ said:
Come back to us on that once you have achieved an O level understanding of evolution by natural selection.YBarddCwsc said:
Bojo is a liar. He's a politician. Politicians lie. Big fucking deal.Scott_xP said:Why are the snowflakes so upset that the Belgians think BoZo is an untrustworthy liar?
We all know he is an untrustworthy liar?
Why are they triggered by the Belgians pointing that out?
But, you are also suggesting that Government scientists are liars as well ... and on a very serious matter.
You are posting material that is attacking their scientific integrity, with no evidence at all.
(Let us recall that ScottP's knowledge of science is so basic that it required a whole platoon of posters to explain the Monty Hall problem to him. And he still did not understand it).
But, I always wanted, more than anything, the ultimate accolade of having .... a pb stalker.
I have high hopes for you IshmaelZ in your new career. Very promising.2 -
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Because random mutations are random, and the ones that enhance the spread of the virus are preferred? I really don't see how people can think this is all one vast conspiracy.FF43 said:
The UK government has definitely played up the new strain, as a justification for new strict measures. It's easier to blame strict measures directly on the virus than to accept these measures are necessary to undo the damage they themselves caused by not keeping on top of the virus.WhisperingOracle said:
I've been wondering about this. If the government has even slightly played up the significance of the strain for internal domestic policy reasons , and then were to bring about the effects of international isolation we're beginning to see as a result of that , that would put its previous mis-steps in the shade.Scott_xP said:
Nothing like that is yet at all clear, I would stress, and to be fair.
But you have to be careful in your logic. Just because the government blames the new strain for failures in their handling of the virus, which have largely nothing to do with the new strain, it doesn't mean the new strain is benign.
What the Belgian virologists are querying is that there are many, many mutations out there, similar to this one. Why should the UK strain be uniquely virulent compared with the thousands of others?
I should add, none of this makes any difference to whether other countries will take precautionary measures against the UK. They will anyway. That bit can't be laid at the government's door.0 -
It does need the other scientists around the world to back up our governments message doesn’t it?Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is just irresponsibleScott_xP said:0 -
When China and Iran come clean on the real death rates, we’ll find out.another_richard said:
Remind us which country has had the highest infection and death rates.Scott_xP said:0 -
Yes, it was quite a clear night here so had a good view.another_richard said:So who else got Jupiter-Saturn ?
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A Pb stalker? They’re deer fellows really.YBarddCwsc said:
I have been accused of being a pb Tory and a Corbynite. A prize indeed!IshmaelZ said:
Come back to us on that once you have achieved an O level understanding of evolution by natural selection.YBarddCwsc said:
Bojo is a liar. He's a politician. Politicians lie. Big fucking deal.Scott_xP said:Why are the snowflakes so upset that the Belgians think BoZo is an untrustworthy liar?
We all know he is an untrustworthy liar?
Why are they triggered by the Belgians pointing that out?
But, you are also suggesting that Government scientists are liars as well ... and on a very serious matter.
You are posting material that is attacking their scientific integrity, with no evidence at all.
(Let us recall that ScottP's knowledge of science is so basic that it required a whole platoon of posters to explain the Monty Hall problem to him. And he still did not understand it).
But, I always wanted, more than anything, the ultimate accolade of having .... a pb stalker.
I have high hopes for you IshmaelZ in your new career. Very promising.0 -
You mean we're going to grow to love the radish?Casino_Royale said:Remember: nothing is as good or as bad as at first it appears.
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The scientific community have laid out the details and I have not heard any UK scientist resile from themFF43 said:
The UK government has definitely played up the new strain, as a justification for new strict measures. It's easier to blame strict measures directly on the virus than to accept these measures are necessary to undo the damage they themselves caused by not keeping on top of the virus.WhisperingOracle said:
I've been wondering about this. If the government has even slightly played up the significance of the strain for internal domestic policy reasons , and then were to bring about the effects of international isolation we're beginning to see as a result of that , that would put its previous mis-steps in the shade.Scott_xP said:
Nothing like that is yet at all clear, I would stress, and to be fair.
But you have to be careful in your logic. Just because the government blames the new strain for failures in their handling of the virus, which have largely nothing to do with the new strain, it doesn't mean the new strain is benign.
What the Belgian virologists are querying is that there are many, many mutations out there, similar to this one. Why should the UK strain be uniquely virulent compared with the thousands of others?
And of course Boris Sturgeon and Drakeford all synchronised their response last night when before they were on the same page for Christmas apart from Drakeford who had a max 2 families meeting0 -
That is certainly how Jason Leitch described it on the Scottish briefing yesterday. It meant essentially you had to get down to a lower base level of R to account for the additional transmissibility of the new variant if you wanted to still be anywhere near < 1.Gaussian said:
I don't think that would justify the panic. Maybe it's 0.4 on top of whatever it was supposed to be for the lockdown, turning 0.8 into 1.2 or something like that, which would justify panic stations.FrancisUrquhart said:
I would guess they mean to base value of the R value, which is what ~3-4 for COVID.Gaussian said:
Somebody will need to explain to me how it can add a constant value to R. Surely there's a different increase when spreading freely or when under lockdown. The 70% increase on R seems more plausible.FrancisUrquhart said:Bloody hell....adding 0.4 to R apparently was the low end of the estimate.
Documents discussed by government advisers on Friday show 0.4 to be at the lower end of the estimate
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-reports-highest-daily-increase-in-cases-as-concerns-grow-over-new-virus-strain-12168687
In any case, it's the exponential growth during lockdown light I find the most scary bit in that article. We haven't got much more than shutting the schools left in the armoury.0 -
I disagree. His stream of naked tweets are part of the delicate balance of the site. It works macro if not always micro.Richard_Tyndall said:
Of course he is endorsing it. Scott only ever posts tweets that are in line with his views. Thing is I actually agree with some of his views but even I find him tedious and pointless.IshmaelZ said:
The fact that the suggestion is being made is itself interesting to me (and a lot of other posters by the look of it). I don't think Scott is endorsing it.glw said:
So Scott do you think NERVTAG are lying? You can go read the minutes yourself if you want to get it from the source. If not, why do you post such stuff?Scott_xP said:
What a rubbish acronym NERVTAG is, sounds like a lame attempt to update SPECTRE in the Bond franchise.0 -
That's your venison of the truth.ydoethur said:
A Pb stalker? They’re deer fellows really.YBarddCwsc said:
I have been accused of being a pb Tory and a Corbynite. A prize indeed!IshmaelZ said:
Come back to us on that once you have achieved an O level understanding of evolution by natural selection.YBarddCwsc said:
Bojo is a liar. He's a politician. Politicians lie. Big fucking deal.Scott_xP said:Why are the snowflakes so upset that the Belgians think BoZo is an untrustworthy liar?
We all know he is an untrustworthy liar?
Why are they triggered by the Belgians pointing that out?
But, you are also suggesting that Government scientists are liars as well ... and on a very serious matter.
You are posting material that is attacking their scientific integrity, with no evidence at all.
(Let us recall that ScottP's knowledge of science is so basic that it required a whole platoon of posters to explain the Monty Hall problem to him. And he still did not understand it).
But, I always wanted, more than anything, the ultimate accolade of having .... a pb stalker.
I have high hopes for you IshmaelZ in your new career. Very promising.0 -
Isn't tomorrow at 6-30pm supposed to be the best moment ? Hopefully the gods don't have any more surprises in store.Foxy said:
Yes, it was quite a clear night here so had a good view.another_richard said:So who else got Jupiter-Saturn ?
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Done! Good luck.ydoethur said:
I’m happy to agree on the date. I wouldn’t agree on the scale because one thing I think will happen is that the BS on not isolating all students in a class plus those who’ve taught them will go. Which means many schools will have to shut by default anyway. If the government’s own regulations had been observed by them in school settings, around 60% of staff at my school - including me - would have been isolating in the first half of November.rkrkrk said:
On or before Sunday 24th Jan compromise.ydoethur said:
I would make it the 15th Jan, but I’m open to discussions. The reason is I’m fairly confident if we get past the first week they will again be reluctant to admit failure.rkrkrk said:
Happy to take you up on that one. Let's put a timeline and some terms on it though.ydoethur said:My bet of £10 to site funds that the government will continue to keep,schools open even if it leads this to be the most disastrous pandemic since 1348 remains open to anyone who will take me up.
If they didn’t close them on the 9th December when it became blindingly obvious what was happening they won’t do so now.
I bet govt will have announced school closures for in-person teaching in England by 1st Feb.
Seem fair? Missing any obvious ambiguities?
We should probably have some kind of scale of school closures in mind.
I'd guess at 200+ schools as reasonable?
So I suggest the following wording:
‘The government to announce a closure of schools in any defined tier for epidemiological reasons on or before 24th January.’
If they do, I pay OGH £10. If they don’t, you do instead.
Happy with that? If not, happy to keep negotiating. (Perhaps we should replace Lord Frost )1 -
BoZo is an idiot and a liar.
This statement is neither controversial nor disputed.
Belgians think BoZo is an idiot and a liar.
Apparently this is sedition and must be censored.
Get a grip, people.0 -
The Belgium infection rate was even higher:alex_ said:
Maybe we'll discover that the few weeks when French cases went through the roof (maxing out at around 90k from memory) was a version of this. Hopefully so, because it might suggest that it can burn out very quickly.Omnium said:
Well no, because all the key French are in London. Imagining that they may communicate with those still stranded in France is ridiculous. You clearly don't understand the French! Mon Dieu!tlg86 said:Given the number of French in London, there has to be a decent chance it’s too late anyway. It’s almost certainly made it to France already.
It's not so likely that the new strain evolved in the UK anyway. Far more likely it originated elsewhere (simply by numbers of cases)
Then again, the french responded with a return to Max lockdown (which was harsher than what we ever had). We've still go people mingling about drinking takeway pub beers. Sorry "exercising".
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/belgium/0 -
Same here. A bit low down really but managed to get a basic scope on them.Foxy said:
Yes, it was quite a clear night here so had a good view.another_richard said:So who else got Jupiter-Saturn ?
All 4 of the Galilean moons were clearly visible and Saturn's rings are showing quite well at the moment. Attempted pictures were a bit rubbish though.
About half the distance apart tomorrow but likely to be cloudy.
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Looks like the January diet sorted...alex_ said:
You mean we're going to grow to love the radish?Casino_Royale said:Remember: nothing is as good or as bad as at first it appears.
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It stag-gers me that you think so.ydoethur said:
A Pb stalker? They’re deer fellows really.YBarddCwsc said:
I have been accused of being a pb Tory and a Corbynite. A prize indeed!IshmaelZ said:
Come back to us on that once you have achieved an O level understanding of evolution by natural selection.YBarddCwsc said:
Bojo is a liar. He's a politician. Politicians lie. Big fucking deal.Scott_xP said:Why are the snowflakes so upset that the Belgians think BoZo is an untrustworthy liar?
We all know he is an untrustworthy liar?
Why are they triggered by the Belgians pointing that out?
But, you are also suggesting that Government scientists are liars as well ... and on a very serious matter.
You are posting material that is attacking their scientific integrity, with no evidence at all.
(Let us recall that ScottP's knowledge of science is so basic that it required a whole platoon of posters to explain the Monty Hall problem to him. And he still did not understand it).
But, I always wanted, more than anything, the ultimate accolade of having .... a pb stalker.
I have high hopes for you IshmaelZ in your new career. Very promising.0 -
Have the Government announced what's happening with universities post Christmas yet...?0
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I just had a haunch we could do with a punning contest.Omnium said:
That's your venison of the truth.ydoethur said:
A Pb stalker? They’re deer fellows really.YBarddCwsc said:
I have been accused of being a pb Tory and a Corbynite. A prize indeed!IshmaelZ said:
Come back to us on that once you have achieved an O level understanding of evolution by natural selection.YBarddCwsc said:
Bojo is a liar. He's a politician. Politicians lie. Big fucking deal.Scott_xP said:Why are the snowflakes so upset that the Belgians think BoZo is an untrustworthy liar?
We all know he is an untrustworthy liar?
Why are they triggered by the Belgians pointing that out?
But, you are also suggesting that Government scientists are liars as well ... and on a very serious matter.
You are posting material that is attacking their scientific integrity, with no evidence at all.
(Let us recall that ScottP's knowledge of science is so basic that it required a whole platoon of posters to explain the Monty Hall problem to him. And he still did not understand it).
But, I always wanted, more than anything, the ultimate accolade of having .... a pb stalker.
I have high hopes for you IshmaelZ in your new career. Very promising.0 -
To be honest, we'll be lucky if we know what's going on with food post-Christmas , at this rate.alex_ said:Have the Government announced what's happening with universities post Christmas yet...?
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The mutations are random.YBarddCwsc said:
I have been accused of being a pb Tory and a Corbynite. A prize indeed!IshmaelZ said:
Come back to us on that once you have achieved an O level understanding of evolution by natural selection.YBarddCwsc said:
Bojo is a liar. He's a politician. Politicians lie. Big fucking deal.Scott_xP said:Why are the snowflakes so upset that the Belgians think BoZo is an untrustworthy liar?
We all know he is an untrustworthy liar?
Why are they triggered by the Belgians pointing that out?
But, you are also suggesting that Government scientists are liars as well ... and on a very serious matter.
You are posting material that is attacking their scientific integrity, with no evidence at all.
(Let us recall that ScottP's knowledge of science is so basic that it required a whole platoon of posters to explain the Monty Hall problem to him. And he still did not understand it).
But, I always wanted, more than anything, the ultimate accolade of having .... a pb stalker.
I have high hopes for you IshmaelZ in your new career. Very promising.
Norfolk has never been part of Wales.
That is all.0 -
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Forecast is for clouds tommorow though. Any astrologer willing to interpret the conjunction of the planets?WhisperingOracle said:
Isn't tomorrow at 6-30pm supposed to be the best moment ? Hopefully the gods don't have any more surprises in store.Foxy said:
Yes, it was quite a clear night here so had a good view.another_richard said:So who else got Jupiter-Saturn ?
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Those two Tweets are fascinating because for the first time a series of Tweets by Barnier literally could have been written by Frost instead. He's parroting all Frost's own lines.Casino_Royale said:
The second tweet is particularly important as it acknowledges UK concerns - it suggests to me that a fudge in play could be to agree that both sides "have the right" (unfettered) on waters and a future unilateral increase or decrease in fish quotas by either the UK or EU could result in a tariff response provided that it was arbitrated via fair governance - this may clear the way to a compromise now, and an open door to do something different later:Casino_Royale said:I'm not sure we've covered this but both sides are still talking and this tweet from Barnier, 3 hours ago, seems relatively respectful:
https://twitter.com/MichelBarnier/status/1340676670446039049?s=20
"Both Flag of European Union&Flag of United Kingdom must have the right to set their own laws & control their own waters. And we should both be able to act when our interests are at stake. (2/2)"
Now is that because they're compromising and a deal is on?
Or is it because he's preempting a breakdown and wanting it to come across as he's done all he can?
Either way it is interesting.0 -
I think my turkey might be good for a couple of months worth.WhisperingOracle said:
To be honest, we'll be lucky if we know what's going on with food post-Christmas , at this rate.alex_ said:Have the Government announced what's happening with universities post Christmas yet...?
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The politicians were in a hole? And needed to somehow do a u turn late in the day? Fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The scientific community have laid out the details and I have not heard any UK scientist resile from themFF43 said:
The UK government has definitely played up the new strain, as a justification for new strict measures. It's easier to blame strict measures directly on the virus than to accept these measures are necessary to undo the damage they themselves caused by not keeping on top of the virus.WhisperingOracle said:
I've been wondering about this. If the government has even slightly played up the significance of the strain for internal domestic policy reasons , and then were to bring about the effects of international isolation we're beginning to see as a result of that , that would put its previous mis-steps in the shade.Scott_xP said:
Nothing like that is yet at all clear, I would stress, and to be fair.
But you have to be careful in your logic. Just because the government blames the new strain for failures in their handling of the virus, which have largely nothing to do with the new strain, it doesn't mean the new strain is benign.
What the Belgian virologists are querying is that there are many, many mutations out there, similar to this one. Why should the UK strain be uniquely virulent compared with the thousands of others?
And of course Boris Sturgeon and Drakeford all synchronised their response last night when before they were on the same page for Christmas apart from Drakeford who had a max 2 families meeting
The medical and science community would support the political u turn, as they have been vociferously arguing for the u turn for weeks? Fact.
The next bit of the factual jigsaw to put in place are the foreign scientists supporting our governments claims.0 -
i will whip your ass in that tournament, Jack.ydoethur said:
I just had a haunch we could do with a punning contest.Omnium said:
That's your venison of the truth.ydoethur said:
A Pb stalker? They’re deer fellows really.YBarddCwsc said:
I have been accused of being a pb Tory and a Corbynite. A prize indeed!IshmaelZ said:
Come back to us on that once you have achieved an O level understanding of evolution by natural selection.YBarddCwsc said:
Bojo is a liar. He's a politician. Politicians lie. Big fucking deal.Scott_xP said:Why are the snowflakes so upset that the Belgians think BoZo is an untrustworthy liar?
We all know he is an untrustworthy liar?
Why are they triggered by the Belgians pointing that out?
But, you are also suggesting that Government scientists are liars as well ... and on a very serious matter.
You are posting material that is attacking their scientific integrity, with no evidence at all.
(Let us recall that ScottP's knowledge of science is so basic that it required a whole platoon of posters to explain the Monty Hall problem to him. And he still did not understand it).
But, I always wanted, more than anything, the ultimate accolade of having .... a pb stalker.
I have high hopes for you IshmaelZ in your new career. Very promising.0 -
I don't think it's a conspiracy, but I would advise the government not to spin virus mutations to support their agenda. Keep it absolutely factual. The reason for the new measures is that cases are rising. We have noted a new strain of the virus, which we are investigating.RobD said:.
Because random mutations are random, and the ones that enhance the spread of the virus are preferred? I really don't see how people can think this is all one vast conspiracy.FF43 said:
The UK government has definitely played up the new strain, as a justification for new strict measures. It's easier to blame strict measures directly on the virus than to accept these measures are necessary to undo the damage they themselves caused by not keeping on top of the virus.WhisperingOracle said:
I've been wondering about this. If the government has even slightly played up the significance of the strain for internal domestic policy reasons , and then were to bring about the effects of international isolation we're beginning to see as a result of that , that would put its previous mis-steps in the shade.Scott_xP said:
Nothing like that is yet at all clear, I would stress, and to be fair.
But you have to be careful in your logic. Just because the government blames the new strain for failures in their handling of the virus, which have largely nothing to do with the new strain, it doesn't mean the new strain is benign.
What the Belgian virologists are querying is that there are many, many mutations out there, similar to this one. Why should the UK strain be uniquely virulent compared with the thousands of others?
I should add, none of this makes any difference to whether other countries will take precautionary measures against the UK. They will anyway. That bit can't be laid at the government's door.1 -
Lol the Daily Mail reporting on fake news is hilarious, they practically invented itGallowgate said:In other news, Wetherspoons have put on quite a spectacle in Morpeth, Northumberland.
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I fear that I haven't the hart for this one.ydoethur said:
I just had a haunch we could do with a punning contest.Omnium said:
That's your venison of the truth.ydoethur said:
A Pb stalker? They’re deer fellows really.YBarddCwsc said:
I have been accused of being a pb Tory and a Corbynite. A prize indeed!IshmaelZ said:
Come back to us on that once you have achieved an O level understanding of evolution by natural selection.YBarddCwsc said:
Bojo is a liar. He's a politician. Politicians lie. Big fucking deal.Scott_xP said:Why are the snowflakes so upset that the Belgians think BoZo is an untrustworthy liar?
We all know he is an untrustworthy liar?
Why are they triggered by the Belgians pointing that out?
But, you are also suggesting that Government scientists are liars as well ... and on a very serious matter.
You are posting material that is attacking their scientific integrity, with no evidence at all.
(Let us recall that ScottP's knowledge of science is so basic that it required a whole platoon of posters to explain the Monty Hall problem to him. And he still did not understand it).
But, I always wanted, more than anything, the ultimate accolade of having .... a pb stalker.
I have high hopes for you IshmaelZ in your new career. Very promising.0 -
D’oh!YBarddCwsc said:
It stag-gers me that you think so.ydoethur said:
A Pb stalker? They’re deer fellows really.YBarddCwsc said:
I have been accused of being a pb Tory and a Corbynite. A prize indeed!IshmaelZ said:
Come back to us on that once you have achieved an O level understanding of evolution by natural selection.YBarddCwsc said:
Bojo is a liar. He's a politician. Politicians lie. Big fucking deal.Scott_xP said:Why are the snowflakes so upset that the Belgians think BoZo is an untrustworthy liar?
We all know he is an untrustworthy liar?
Why are they triggered by the Belgians pointing that out?
But, you are also suggesting that Government scientists are liars as well ... and on a very serious matter.
You are posting material that is attacking their scientific integrity, with no evidence at all.
(Let us recall that ScottP's knowledge of science is so basic that it required a whole platoon of posters to explain the Monty Hall problem to him. And he still did not understand it).
But, I always wanted, more than anything, the ultimate accolade of having .... a pb stalker.
I have high hopes for you IshmaelZ in your new career. Very promising.0 -
You cannot see through your hate that in actual fact that tweet was attacking the integrity of our scientists and from a country that is failing it's own covid test and is simply distastefulScott_xP said:BoZo is an idiot and a liar.
This statement is neither controversial nor disputed.
Belgians think BoZo is an idiot and a liar.
Apparently this is sedition and must be censored.
Get a grip, people.2 -
I am employed, so no I don't.Mortimer said:
I'm guessing you don't run a business...CorrectHorseBattery said:I need to change my username to LockdownNowHorseBattery
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This is from the Tier 4 advice published yesterday:alex_ said:Have the Government announced what's happening with universities post Christmas yet...?
"Education and childcare
You can leave home for education related to the formal curriculum or training, registered childcare, under-18 sport and physical activity, and supervised activities for children that are necessary to allow parents/carers to work, seek work, or undertake education or training. Parents can still take their children to school, and people can continue existing arrangements for contact between parents and children where they live apart. This includes childcare bubbles."
Given that these are the instructions pertaining to the most restricted areas of England, that, to me, would imply that the schools and universities are remaining open and will be expected to restart as usual in the New Year. How long that position will last is anybody's guess.0
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