Ah good old christian values.....burning heretics, conversion by the sword, torturing people till they confess to being in league with santa, praying the gay away, sexual repression, mysogyny.....how we miss those good old values
That is mainly the Old Testament, while that remains the sole book for Jews with Old Testament Prophet Abraham still a revered Prophet for Muslims, Christianity also includes the New Testament based on the life and message of Christ, hence the title
Definitely a lot of overcompensation and finger pointing from the Netherlands where it's very obvious that the same mutation is present and causing as serious an outbreak. I'm guessing they think if they point the finger at the UK the rest of Europe will ignore them. It might just work, but it will be a disaster because it gives the mutant strain multiple opportunities to spread across the whole continent and then everyone is fucked.
The UK has at least got a very strong vaccine portfolio and could see the back of this by the middle of April. Not sure how European countries will handle this given the weak vaccine portfolio.
Instead of pointing fingers they need to shut down all borders in Europe for air, road and sea travel and start investing in vaccine production.
“ and causing as serious an outbreak. “. You got evidence supporting that statement?
You are pushing a narrative that the surge everywhere is down to mutant virus more than any other reason. And you are pushing it without evidence. And that narrative is causing alarm and disaster.
Or, the scientists aren't lying and Europrean countries are taking fair precautions against more of the new strain getting in knowing that this is a huge travel period for young people in London travelling home to their countries. Your narrative of the scientists making this up is complete rubbish.
That’s not my narrative. I didn’t say scientists made it up.
I am saying scientists made a cautious and caveated announcement. My narrative is that it’s YOU and the media making things up, bigging it up.
Is that clear now?
Or are you going to wait for British government to clamp down on your fictions and causes of your ramping in the morning, before you start to behave yourself?
No, your narrative is that they've made it up and it's actually just because of Christmas shoppers on Oxford Street or something like that but the government are using this mutation to save face.
Give it up, this is serious and borders need to close everywhere or we repeat the original mistakes of January.
Your wilfully misrepresenting my narrative. I know exactly the message the UK government and scientists announced yesterday, does not excuse either your ramping of the strain or the ramping of the strain in the British media today.
I accuse you of being a ramper and spinner of yesterday’s announcement. And I can easily prove it with a simple game of spot the spin.
Answer these questions.
Is calling it the China Virus spin?
Is it calling it the dangerous UK mutant of the Covid Virus spin?
Will be interesting to see exactly how he wants to screw over England.
I imagine he will announce devomax for Holyrood and Scotland under a future Labour led government and regional assemblies for England
Devomax for English regions too? And will we get to choose our regions? England will continue to effectively be a directly-governed territory of the UK.
I expect Starmer would impose regional assemblies on England whether England wanted them or not if he became PM, given England would likely have voted against him anyway and it would be Scottish and Welsh MPs who get him into No 10.
So you would see regional assemblies for the South East, South West, the East, the East Midlands, the West Midlands, Yorkshire and Humber, the North East and the North West to join the London Assembly most likely with county and district councils abolished too and merged into unitary councils as the next tier down
1997 waves...
Blair won a majority in England in 1997 Starmer almost certainly would not even if he became PM, unlike Blair he would also not hold referenda on regional assemblies in each region, he would just impose them
Anyway, on a lighter note, I'm not watching it (haven't for years) but is anyone watching SPOTY who can tell us how the BBC are managing the Tyson Fury nomination? Given that he told them in no uncertain terms he had no interest in it, and, inexplicably, they refused to then take him off the shortlist?
They've featured him but said that he does not want any votes.
They still did a shitey promo for him featuring Vinnie Jones. Weird.
Definitely a lot of overcompensation and finger pointing from the Netherlands where it's very obvious that the same mutation is present and causing as serious an outbreak. I'm guessing they think if they point the finger at the UK the rest of Europe will ignore them. It might just work, but it will be a disaster because it gives the mutant strain multiple opportunities to spread across the whole continent and then everyone is fucked.
The UK has at least got a very strong vaccine portfolio and could see the back of this by the middle of April. Not sure how European countries will handle this given the weak vaccine portfolio.
Instead of pointing fingers they need to shut down all borders in Europe for air, road and sea travel and start investing in vaccine production.
“ and causing as serious an outbreak. “. You got evidence supporting that statement?
You are pushing a narrative that the surge everywhere is down to mutant virus more than any other reason. And you are pushing it without evidence. And that narrative is causing alarm and disaster.
Or, the scientists aren't lying and Europrean countries are taking fair precautions against more of the new strain getting in knowing that this is a huge travel period for young people in London travelling home to their countries. Your narrative of the scientists making this up is complete rubbish.
That’s not my narrative. I didn’t say scientists made it up.
I am saying scientists made a cautious and caveated announcement. My narrative is that it’s YOU and the media making things up, bigging it up.
Is that clear now?
Or are you going to wait for British government to clamp down on your fictions and causes of your ramping in the morning, before you start to behave yourself?
No, your narrative is that they've made it up and it's actually just because of Christmas shoppers on Oxford Street or something like that but the government are using this mutation to save face.
Give it up, this is serious and borders need to close everywhere or we repeat the original mistakes of January.
Your wilfully misrepresenting my narrative. I know exactly the message the UK government and scientists announced yesterday, does not excuse either your ramping of the strain or the ramping of the strain in the British media today.
I accuse you of being a ramper and spinner of yesterday’s announcement. And I can easily prove it with a simple game of spot the spin.
Answer these questions.
Is calling it the China Virus spin?
Is it calling it the dangerous UK mutant of the Covid Virus spin?
But what is the spin? They've presented evidence that it is more transmissible. They aren't hyping up a variant that is identical in terms of its transmissibility to the other ones.
Ah good old christian values.....burning heretics, conversion by the sword, torturing people till they confess to being in league with santa, praying the gay away, sexual repression, mysogyny.....how we miss those good old values
That is mainly the Old Testament, while that remains the sole book for Jews with Old Testament Prophet Abraham still a revered Prophet for Muslims, Christianity also includes the New Testament based on the life and message of Christ, hence the title
It's wildly off topic for tonight, but Liberal and Reform Judaism in Europe was also suffused with Enlightenment values by the nineteenth century, so the Old Testament wasn't in fact its only source.
Ah good old christian values.....burning heretics, conversion by the sword, torturing people till they confess to being in league with santa, praying the gay away, sexual repression, mysogyny.....how we miss those good old values
That's pre-enlightenment Christian values ; not the Unitarians, Quakers or Christian Socialists. Pageanism has a rather complex history too.
some is yes, praying the gay away, sexual repression and mysogony still are pretty mainstream though. Yes paganism has does some crap shit in the past too.
Anyway, on a lighter note, I'm not watching it (haven't for years) but is anyone watching SPOTY who can tell us how the BBC are managing the Tyson Fury nomination? Given that he told them in no uncertain terms he had no interest in it, and, inexplicably, they refused to then take him off the shortlist?
They've featured him but said that he does not want any votes.
There's been a massive plunge on (Liverpool footballer) Henderson. @TheScreamingEagles must be hammering the redial button. Henderson is now below 3 on Betfair. He was over 100 a few days ago.
Turned up in the studio looking smart. Good interview. Could be.
Liverpool team of the year. Betfair has suspended betting on the main event.
Klopp coach of the year. Can Hendo make it a clean sweep?
Yup. A lot of what you expected to eat for Christmas dinner on Friday isn't in the country and isn't coming. Suggest people go out and buy whatever fresh stuff they need the fuck yesterday. Whilst they still can.
Luckily I have a delivery tomorrow, hopefully most items will be available.
Ah good old christian values.....burning heretics, conversion by the sword, torturing people till they confess to being in league with santa, praying the gay away, sexual repression, mysogyny.....how we miss those good old values
That is mainly the Old Testament, while that remains the sole book for Jews with Old Testament Prophet Abraham still a revered Prophet for Muslims, Christianity also includes the New Testament based on the life and message of Christ, hence the title
Well considering the new testament was formalised under Constantine under nicea in 325 and most of that apart perhaps from conversion by the sword has occurred in the last 500 years I guess it took them a while to catch on that they were meant to be all cliff richard
Ah good old christian values.....burning heretics, conversion by the sword, torturing people till they confess to being in league with santa, praying the gay away, sexual repression, mysogyny.....how we miss those good old values
That is mainly the Old Testament, while that remains the sole book for Jews with Old Testament Prophet Abraham still a revered Prophet for Muslims, Christianity also includes the New Testament based on the life and message of Christ, hence the title
Thanks for that. I’m sure we were all wondering, Can you explain the relevance of this “Christmas” thing for the unenlightened?
Will be interesting to see exactly how he wants to screw over England.
I imagine he will announce devomax for Holyrood and Scotland under a future Labour led government and regional assemblies for England
Devomax for English regions too? And will we get to choose our regions? England will continue to effectively be a directly-governed territory of the UK.
Quite. We discussed all that back in 2013-14 and conclujded, amicably, thjat it just isn't a runner without persisting massive anomalies.
Its a bag of shite, devolved powers are [powers retained. We have been lied to so often by these London spivs it will not work again. You can stick your devolved regions up your arse.
Yup. A lot of what you expected to eat for Christmas dinner on Friday isn't in the country and isn't coming. Suggest people go out and buy whatever fresh stuff they need the fuck yesterday. Whilst they still can.
Oh... Good job I've got my Ocado order coming tomorrow.
At the time I booked the delivery I wasn't very happy the only slot I could get was 21st Dec but looks like I timed it just right
That won't affect me personally. In my shopping choices. As I said in the bit of my post that you thought not worth being undeleted.
Remainiac No. 1...
Disaster for Scotland
It's definitely not a good thing, though I'm not sure it's disastrous. I might have been wrong in my response to Scotty though. If those Scottish shellfish make their way down to Wiltshire I may well be changing my shopping choices and hunting them out.
Ah good old christian values.....burning heretics, conversion by the sword, torturing people till they confess to being in league with santa, praying the gay away, sexual repression, mysogyny.....how we miss those good old values
That is mainly the Old Testament, while that remains the sole book for Jews with Old Testament Prophet Abraham still a revered Prophet for Muslims, Christianity also includes the New Testament based on the life and message of Christ, hence the title
Well considering the new testament was formalised under Constantine under nicea in 325 and most of that apart perhaps from conversion by the sword has occurred in the last 500 years I guess it took them a while to catch on that they were meant to be all cliff richard
The Old Testament is still a part of the Christian Bible, hardline conservative Christians tend to emphasise that more than the New, more liberal Christians tend to put more emphasis on the New.
I would imagine Starmer is more of a New Testament Christian than an Ann Widdecombe or Pat Robertson style Old Testament Christian
Anyway, on a lighter note, I'm not watching it (haven't for years) but is anyone watching SPOTY who can tell us how the BBC are managing the Tyson Fury nomination? Given that he told them in no uncertain terms he had no interest in it, and, inexplicably, they refused to then take him off the shortlist?
They've featured him but said that he does not want any votes.
They still did a shitey promo for him featuring Vinnie Jones. Weird.
Was a bit. Lewis a good choice, I guess. Nice serene presence about him there. Was hoping snooker Ronnie would podium but no.
Yup. A lot of what you expected to eat for Christmas dinner on Friday isn't in the country and isn't coming. Suggest people go out and buy whatever fresh stuff they need the fuck yesterday. Whilst they still can.
Oh... Good job I've got my Ocado order coming tomorrow.
At the time I booked the delivery I wasn't very happy the only slot I could get was 21st Dec but looks like I timed it just right
I have one a 9.00am tomorrow and on adding an item just now there were no out of stock items so maybe the order will be complete but let's see
Anyway, on a lighter note, I'm not watching it (haven't for years) but is anyone watching SPOTY who can tell us how the BBC are managing the Tyson Fury nomination? Given that he told them in no uncertain terms he had no interest in it, and, inexplicably, they refused to then take him off the shortlist?
They've featured him but said that he does not want any votes.
They still did a shitey promo for him featuring Vinnie Jones. Weird.
Was a bit. Lewis a good choice, I guess. Nice serene presence about him there. Was hoping snooker Ronnie would podium but no.
Something else for the Faragists to choke into the cornflakes over.
Yup. A lot of what you expected to eat for Christmas dinner on Friday isn't in the country and isn't coming. Suggest people go out and buy whatever fresh stuff they need the fuck yesterday. Whilst they still can.
Oh... Good job I've got my Ocado order coming tomorrow.
At the time I booked the delivery I wasn't very happy the only slot I could get was 21st Dec but looks like I timed it just right
I have one a 9.00am tomorrow and on adding an item just now there were no out of stock items so maybe the order will be complete but let's see
Brussel Sprouts are VERY cheap at the moment. Stock up!
Ah good old christian values.....burning heretics, conversion by the sword, torturing people till they confess to being in league with santa, praying the gay away, sexual repression, mysogyny.....how we miss those good old values
That is mainly the Old Testament, while that remains the sole book for Jews with Old Testament Prophet Abraham still a revered Prophet for Muslims, Christianity also includes the New Testament based on the life and message of Christ, hence the title
It's wildly off topic for tonight, but Liberal and Reform Judaism in Europe was also suffused with Enlightenment values by the nineteenth century, so the Old Testament wasn't in fact its only source.
Indeed, apart from a few Protestant sects, Biblical Literalism is not the mainstay of Christian tradition either. In nearly all mainstream religions, continuing development of ideas and theology is standard, and there is a surprising amount of borrowing of ideas between the Abrahamic traditions. The ecstatic nature of Hasadic worship has a lot of similarity to Pentacostalism, for example.
Ah good old christian values.....burning heretics, conversion by the sword, torturing people till they confess to being in league with santa, praying the gay away, sexual repression, mysogyny.....how we miss those good old values
That is mainly the Old Testament, while that remains the sole book for Jews with Old Testament Prophet Abraham still a revered Prophet for Muslims, Christianity also includes the New Testament based on the life and message of Christ, hence the title
Well considering the new testament was formalised under Constantine under nicea in 325 and most of that apart perhaps from conversion by the sword has occurred in the last 500 years I guess it took them a while to catch on that they were meant to be all cliff richard
The Old Testament is still a part of the Christian Bible, hardline conservative Christians tend to emphasise that more than the New, more liberal Christians tend to put more emphasis on the new.
I would imagine Starmer is more of a New Testament Christian than an Ann Widdecombe or Pat Robertson style Old Testament Christian
I wouldn't necessarily bet on it blairs goverment had an opus dei member in government. Not what most would describe as liberal christianity. Also note Farron's problems that filled the news when asked about gay people and as you note the Anne widdecombe just so we don't let off the tories.
I think it's a pretty fair question therefore when people start going on about christian values we ask which particular set of christian values are these then?
Yup. A lot of what you expected to eat for Christmas dinner on Friday isn't in the country and isn't coming. Suggest people go out and buy whatever fresh stuff they need the fuck yesterday. Whilst they still can.
Oh... Good job I've got my Ocado order coming tomorrow.
At the time I booked the delivery I wasn't very happy the only slot I could get was 21st Dec but looks like I timed it just right
I have one a 9.00am tomorrow and on adding an item just now there were no out of stock items so maybe the order will be complete but let's see
Brussel Sprouts are VERY cheap at the moment. Stock up!
Yup. A lot of what you expected to eat for Christmas dinner on Friday isn't in the country and isn't coming. Suggest people go out and buy whatever fresh stuff they need the fuck yesterday. Whilst they still can.
Oh... Good job I've got my Ocado order coming tomorrow.
At the time I booked the delivery I wasn't very happy the only slot I could get was 21st Dec but looks like I timed it just right
I have one a 9.00am tomorrow and on adding an item just now there were no out of stock items so maybe the order will be complete but let's see
Brussel Sprouts are VERY cheap at the moment. Stock up!
I always carry some frozen sprouts and to be honest demand is low as my wife cannot stand them
It's the story of the last four years, and now we have a separate huge crisis to deal with at the same time.
I don't usually use that strong terms on here, but under the current circumstances if they don't push for an extension it won't just be the climax of the usual arrogance and over-confidence, but criminally self-destructive negligence.
Anyway, on a lighter note, I'm not watching it (haven't for years) but is anyone watching SPOTY who can tell us how the BBC are managing the Tyson Fury nomination? Given that he told them in no uncertain terms he had no interest in it, and, inexplicably, they refused to then take him off the shortlist?
They've featured him but said that he does not want any votes.
They still did a shitey promo for him featuring Vinnie Jones. Weird.
Was a bit. Lewis a good choice, I guess. Nice serene presence about him there. Was hoping snooker Ronnie would podium but no.
Something else for the Faragists to choke into the cornflakes over.
To be honest if a deal can be made and Farage and the ERG become upset it will be a bonus
That won't affect me personally. In my shopping choices. As I said in the bit of my post that you thought not worth being undeleted.
Remainiac No. 1...
Disaster for Scotland
It's definitely not a good thing, though I'm not sure it's disastrous. I might have been wrong in my response to Scotty though. If those Scottish shellfish make their way down to Wiltshire I may well be changing my shopping choices and hunting them out.
Be bully bargains for sure, but just the start of bad things for Scotland. How the idiots ever allowed us to depend on Dover to ship our goods is a scandal. Not having developed our own ferry links to Scandinavia & northern Europe increasingly looks like a massive strategic error. Unlikely with our lower infection rates such routes would have been closed to Scottish hauliers.
It's the story of the last four years, and now we have a separate huge crisis to deal with at the same time.
I don't usually use that strong terms on here, but under the current circumstances if they don't push for an extension it won't just be the climax of the usual arrogance and over-confidence, but criminally self-destructive negligence.
Total self serving bollocks.
If the border is shut either way what difference does it make if we have a deal or not?
Ah good old christian values.....burning heretics, conversion by the sword, torturing people till they confess to being in league with santa, praying the gay away, sexual repression, mysogyny.....how we miss those good old values
That is mainly the Old Testament, while that remains the sole book for Jews with Old Testament Prophet Abraham still a revered Prophet for Muslims, Christianity also includes the New Testament based on the life and message of Christ, hence the title
Well considering the new testament was formalised under Constantine under nicea in 325 and most of that apart perhaps from conversion by the sword has occurred in the last 500 years I guess it took them a while to catch on that they were meant to be all cliff richard
The Old Testament is still a part of the Christian Bible, hardline conservative Christians tend to emphasise that more than the New, more liberal Christians tend to put more emphasis on the new.
I would imagine Starmer is more of a New Testament Christian than an Ann Widdecombe or Pat Robertson style Old Testament Christian
I wouldn't necessarily bet on it blairs goverment had an opus dei member in government. Not what most would describe as liberal christianity. Also note Farron's problems that filled the news when asked about gay people and as you note the Anne widdecombe just so we don't let off the tories.
I think it's a pretty fair question therefore when people start going on about christian values we ask which particular set of christian values are these then?
Blair introduced civil partnerships for homosexuals and most Labour MPs voted for gay marriage and most Labour MPs are pro abortion as are most LDs (with Farron the exception) and more liberal Tories. It was of course the Liberal MP David Steel who introduced the bill to legalise abortion.
Ultra conservative Tories like Widdecombe or Edward Leigh however are anti gay marriage and Widdecombe is also firmly anti abortion, the same applies for the evangelical social conservative wing of the GOP in the USA and the most reactionary conservatives within the Vatican and the Catholic Church, some of whom even oppose divorce still let alone any further social liberalism. That group within the Vatican tends to be more closely linked to Pope Benedict and suspicious of the reforms of the more liberal Pope Francis
It's the story of the last four years, and now we have a separate huge crisis to deal with at the same time.
I don't usually use that strong terms on here, but under the current circumstances if they don't push for an extension it won't just be the climax of the usual arrogance and over-confidence, but criminally self-destructive negligence.
Total self serving bollocks.
If the border is shut either way what difference does it make if we have a deal or not?
Just get on with it.
Sometimes your posts are fair enough Philip, and sometimes they're out of touch with reality.
If someone had told you a year ago that we would be where we are now you would not have believed them, but if they had proven it you would have panicked. The economy wrecked and getting worse, a mutant killer virus loose, Brexit still unsigned. But instead today we just shrug. Strange days.
Ah good old christian values.....burning heretics, conversion by the sword, torturing people till they confess to being in league with santa, praying the gay away, sexual repression, mysogyny.....how we miss those good old values
That is mainly the Old Testament, while that remains the sole book for Jews with Old Testament Prophet Abraham still a revered Prophet for Muslims, Christianity also includes the New Testament based on the life and message of Christ, hence the title
Well considering the new testament was formalised under Constantine under nicea in 325 and most of that apart perhaps from conversion by the sword has occurred in the last 500 years I guess it took them a while to catch on that they were meant to be all cliff richard
The Old Testament is still a part of the Christian Bible, hardline conservative Christians tend to emphasise that more than the New, more liberal Christians tend to put more emphasis on the new.
I would imagine Starmer is more of a New Testament Christian than an Ann Widdecombe or Pat Robertson style Old Testament Christian
I wouldn't necessarily bet on it blairs goverment had an opus dei member in government. Not what most would describe as liberal christianity. Also note Farron's problems that filled the news when asked about gay people and as you note the Anne widdecombe just so we don't let off the tories.
I think it's a pretty fair question therefore when people start going on about christian values we ask which particular set of christian values are these then?
Blair introduced civil partnerships for homosexuals and most Labour MPs voted for gay marriage and most Labour MPs are pro abortion as are most LDs and more liberal Tories.
Ultra conservative Tories like Widdecombe or Edward Leigh however are anti gay marriage and Widdecombe is also firmly anti abortion, the same applies for the evangelical social conservative wing of the GOP in the USA and the most reactionary conservatives within the Vatican and the Catholic Church, some of whom even oppose divorce still let alone any further social liberalism. That group within the Vatican tends to be more closely linked to Pope Benedict and suspicious of the reforms of the more liberal Pope Francis
I wasn't disputing any of that, merely in a tongue and cheek way admittedly initially saying that given christian values can cover a wide range of views it is fair to ask what starmer means by christian values.
I am sure most would of said Farron was likely one of the liberal christians in his views until he was asked that question
Yup. A lot of what you expected to eat for Christmas dinner on Friday isn't in the country and isn't coming. Suggest people go out and buy whatever fresh stuff they need the fuck yesterday. Whilst they still can.
Oh... Good job I've got my Ocado order coming tomorrow.
At the time I booked the delivery I wasn't very happy the only slot I could get was 21st Dec but looks like I timed it just right
I have one a 9.00am tomorrow and on adding an item just now there were no out of stock items so maybe the order will be complete but let's see
Brussel Sprouts are VERY cheap at the moment. Stock up!
19p a bag in Tesco.
As are carrots and parsnips.
3 for £1 Morrisons
20p Asda
19p Tesco
15P Lidl
14p Aldi
Al; above applies to sprouts parsnips carrots potatoes
In addition Tesco has Cauli and Broccoli at same price
Yup. A lot of what you expected to eat for Christmas dinner on Friday isn't in the country and isn't coming. Suggest people go out and buy whatever fresh stuff they need the fuck yesterday. Whilst they still can.
Oh... Good job I've got my Ocado order coming tomorrow.
At the time I booked the delivery I wasn't very happy the only slot I could get was 21st Dec but looks like I timed it just right
I have one a 9.00am tomorrow and on adding an item just now there were no out of stock items so maybe the order will be complete but let's see
Brussel Sprouts are VERY cheap at the moment. Stock up!
I always carry some frozen sprouts and to be honest demand is low as my wife cannot stand them
I am not surprised; after all day defrosting in your pocket they must taste even more revolting than usual.
Going to bed but just to be clear - air freight and container freight is fine as these are "unaccompanied" freight (i.e. no drivers) so goods will still be flowing in and out of the UK through its major ports and airports.
However, Dover and Holyhead will be closed as will the Chunnel which will effect fresh fruit and veg plus meat and fish to/from the continent.
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I accuse you of being a ramper and spinner of yesterday’s announcement. And I can easily prove it with a simple game of spot the spin.
Answer these questions.
Is calling it the China Virus spin?
Is it calling it the dangerous UK mutant of the Covid Virus spin?
At the time I booked the delivery I wasn't very happy the only slot I could get was 21st Dec but looks like I timed it just right
I would imagine Starmer is more of a New Testament Christian than an Ann Widdecombe or Pat Robertson style Old Testament Christian
I normally go shopping on the 23rd but not this year as buying everything online so got it early just in case there was any disruption.
I think it's a pretty fair question therefore when people start going on about christian values we ask which particular set of christian values are these then?
As are carrots and parsnips.
I don't usually use that strong terms on here, but under the current circumstances if they don't push for an extension it won't just be the climax of the usual arrogance and over-confidence, but criminally self-destructive negligence.
Ave you seen the missus?
No deal. Now.
Not having developed our own ferry links to Scandinavia & northern Europe increasingly looks like a massive strategic error. Unlikely with our lower infection rates such routes would have been closed to Scottish hauliers.
If the border is shut either way what difference does it make if we have a deal or not?
Just get on with it.
I mean seriously
Starmer is learning. Trouble is he's not consistent and neither is his party.
Ultra conservative Tories like Widdecombe or Edward Leigh however are anti gay marriage and Widdecombe is also firmly anti abortion, the same applies for the evangelical social conservative wing of the GOP in the USA and the most reactionary conservatives within the Vatican and the Catholic Church, some of whom even oppose divorce still let alone any further social liberalism. That group within the Vatican tends to be more closely linked to Pope Benedict and suspicious of the reforms of the more liberal Pope Francis
Still pushing for 60% fish now is silly. He should just wrap it up.
LOCK. DOWN.
I am sure most would of said Farron was likely one of the liberal christians in his views until he was asked that question
20p Asda
19p Tesco
15P Lidl
14p Aldi
Al; above applies to sprouts parsnips carrots potatoes
In addition Tesco has Cauli and Broccoli at same price
Other countries will be similar.
This means that a variant that increases the effective R by 0.4 or more would mean that R would remain above 1 during a full lockdown.
However, Dover and Holyhead will be closed as will the Chunnel which will effect fresh fruit and veg plus meat and fish to/from the continent.
Everything else should be ok.