The final battle of WH2020 – the Georgia run-off for two senate seats – politicalbetting.com
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So the Supremes are going to uphold Obamacare but sign off on a Republican coup, are they?Alistair said:Looks like the Supreme Court is keeping the ACA
https://twitter.com/jedshug/status/1326190602590048256
They are hammering Texas on both Standing and severability. That is a full on massacre.
I foresee some very, very angry tweets a-coming.0 -
7,000 votes reported in AZ a few minutes ago - Biden 48, Trump 52.
Biden now leads by 14,468 with a max of 48,788 still to count - implying Trump needs 65% of remaining votes.
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It is the same issue as with Kamala Harris. Mike Pence might well be the next President of the United States of America if Trump resigns (presumably in exchange for a pardon) but this is not what the misnamed Betfair market will be settled on.isam said:Pence in 230 points, 770 to lay
However, now that Pence is being traded, traders and trading bots can make money on the price fluctuations.1 -
People doing comms involving IT, ie all of them, should know basic stuff and potential pitfalls, the same way someone who has to redact something doesn't need to be an IT expert but know how to use redact properly so that you cannot copy paste the hidden data and so on.Benpointer said:
The people putting those comms graphics together are not IT people though are they?Beibheirli_C said:
No. I made a living out of doing the IT side of this sort of thing for years. It just requires attention to detail and a simple understanding that computers are not the sort of thing you see in Hollywood or CSI where pressing CTRL-X deletes the alien invasion fleet or removes all data forever because there are no such things as backups.Malmesbury said:
Story of government & politics in general.kle4 said:
Well I don't know. Certainly the operation is usually a complete shambles, but you'd think finding IT literate people could still occur. I don't know why even very basic presentation stuff seems so hard for parties sometimes. Of the 2019 GE manifestos only the Green Party's properly hyperlinked the document for ease of use when first releasedTheuniondivvie said:
All-too-believably incompetent comms from No 10, I think.Mexicanpete said:
Unbelievably incompetent comms from No 10.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Poor comms at no 10 but it does not alter the importance of Boris endorsing Joe Biden in a personal phone call which will aid Biden and add to Trump's dark angerMexicanpete said:
Did you see the nice greeting Johnson sent to Trump, err, I mean Biden?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I believe the call between Boris and Joe Biden was mutually beneficial and in Joe Biden's case Boris rejection of Trump must please him more than from must any other leader due to Boris previously attitude to TrumpCarnyx said:
Especiallyt if he wanted to cut the risk of any Irish border nonsense - remember the Act is going through Pmt at the moment.glw said:
I don't suppose it really means anything, somebody has to be first, and somebody else last. For all we know Biden simply wanted to get the call with Boris over with as soon as possible.rcs1000 said:
I think it's great we got the fist call.glw said:
It's funny how the order in which Biden called European leaders really mattered right up until the point he called Boris first, and now it doesn't matter at all. If I was feeling particularly petty I could go back through the posts today and name and shame, mostly remainers I expect.FrancisUrquhart said:
Now if it had been Macron then Boris, some journalists would he banging on about it for weeks, months, years...HYUFD said:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind if we were thirty-second, so long as we were ahead of France.
The cabinet room in No 10 has less functionality as a meeting space than it did during WWI, for example...0 -
It was a @Nigel_Foremain special about you when his blood was up. Stuck in my mind like so much does. I have a truly great memory for a man of 82.isam said:
Sub 900 now, the move is afoot!kinabalu said:
I wouldn't lay anything at 1000. Not even West Ham or Arsenal to win the Champions League this season when they aren't in it. Or even nearly in it.isam said:
Someone wants a grand at 1000 on Betfair Pence next Pres now!Anabobazina said:
Fill your boots layers
Why were you banned btw? Was it for being a "strutting right wing populist"?
I don’t know why, no ones telling, but that sounds like the kind of attention seeking self description I despise, so it wouldn’t be me saying it or admitting to it1 -
It wasn't in doubt even for a second. He did it within an hour of US media networks calling it in similar timeframes as other democratic leaders. People are pretending it was in doubt because the want to believe he wouldn't have done it, even though nothing suggests he would have done otherwise.Jonathan said:It’s remarkable that it’s remarkable the the British PM would do anything other than endorse the president elect. I am glad he did. But what have we become where it’s in doubt for a second?
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I think you might be right. I'd love if it was thoughrpjs said:
Given that he once advocated shooting the "ring-leaders" of the British Leyland strikes, Petain-style, I'm going with a "probably not".MrEd said:
I did think that, so I read his obituaries - couldn't see it mentioned anywhereanother_richard said:FPT:
Chris Mullin MP regularly baited on TV some of the profession’s more pompous examples when fighting for the Birmingham 6. His diaries recount the comment of his fellow campaigner, Sir John Stokes MP, when asked what his fellow Tory-cum-lawyers thought of what he was doing: “Sh*ts, the lot of them.”
Am I reading that correctly ?
Was John Stokes, the former Halesowen MP, really a campaigner on behalf on the Birmingham Six ?0 -
Oh did he now?! What a rotter!kinabalu said:
It was a @Nigel_Foremain special about you when his blood was up. Stuck in my mind like so much does. I have a truly great memory for a man of 82.isam said:
Sub 900 now, the move is afoot!kinabalu said:
I wouldn't lay anything at 1000. Not even West Ham or Arsenal to win the Champions League this season when they aren't in it. Or even nearly in it.isam said:
Someone wants a grand at 1000 on Betfair Pence next Pres now!Anabobazina said:
Fill your boots layers
Why were you banned btw? Was it for being a "strutting right wing populist"?
I don’t know why, no ones telling, but that sounds like the kind of attention seeking self description I despise, so it wouldn’t be me saying it or admitting to it0 -
I've been in IT since the ZX-81Beibheirli_C said:
No. I made a living out of doing the IT side of this sort of thing for years. It just requires attention to detail and a simple understanding that computers are not the sort of thing you see in Hollywood or CSI where pressing CTRL-X deletes the alien invasion fleet or removes all data forever because there are no such things as backups.Malmesbury said:
Story of government & politics in general.kle4 said:
Well I don't know. Certainly the operation is usually a complete shambles, but you'd think finding IT literate people could still occur. I don't know why even very basic presentation stuff seems so hard for parties sometimes. Of the 2019 GE manifestos only the Green Party's properly hyperlinked the document for ease of use when first releasedTheuniondivvie said:
All-too-believably incompetent comms from No 10, I think.Mexicanpete said:
Unbelievably incompetent comms from No 10.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Poor comms at no 10 but it does not alter the importance of Boris endorsing Joe Biden in a personal phone call which will aid Biden and add to Trump's dark angerMexicanpete said:
Did you see the nice greeting Johnson sent to Trump, err, I mean Biden?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I believe the call between Boris and Joe Biden was mutually beneficial and in Joe Biden's case Boris rejection of Trump must please him more than from must any other leader due to Boris previously attitude to TrumpCarnyx said:
Especiallyt if he wanted to cut the risk of any Irish border nonsense - remember the Act is going through Pmt at the moment.glw said:
I don't suppose it really means anything, somebody has to be first, and somebody else last. For all we know Biden simply wanted to get the call with Boris over with as soon as possible.rcs1000 said:
I think it's great we got the fist call.glw said:
It's funny how the order in which Biden called European leaders really mattered right up until the point he called Boris first, and now it doesn't matter at all. If I was feeling particularly petty I could go back through the posts today and name and shame, mostly remainers I expect.FrancisUrquhart said:
Now if it had been Macron then Boris, some journalists would he banging on about it for weeks, months, years...HYUFD said:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind if we were thirty-second, so long as we were ahead of France.
The cabinet room in No 10 has less functionality as a meeting space than it did during WWI, for example...
Government & politics in general has been uniformly incompetent in IT throughout that period. Many people I have encountered in the area seem to take a joy in being IT illiterate. Printing emails, the works...0 -
But is it totally outside the realm of the possible that, with more compliant figures in charge of these parts of the government, “information” might be revealed or plots “discovered” that help legitimize not allowing the process to move forward to an Electoral College vote that would yield power to Joe Biden?
It’s probably outside the realm of the possible. Probably 99 percent outside.
But not 100 percent.
A little alarmism in the defense of liberty is no vice.
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Really?Mysticrose said:Kind of wondering if the US is about to descend into its second civil war.
The sad cases who like to turn up with guns didn't even try to stop the counting when Trump was ahead, the only thing that might have given him a Constitutional victory.
They don't have the wherewithal, or determination, to go to war.0 -
No10 head of press and former Vote Leave official Lee Cain is in talks to become Boris Johnson's chief of staff
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8935527/No10-head-Press-former-Vote-Leave-official-talks-Boris-Johnsons-chief-staff.html0 -
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You are a poundland @MrEd. He's a Trump freak too but he masks it a whole lot better. You were obvious from your first post.peter505 said:kinabalu i am surprised you are 82 i had you pegged as a millenial however just a thought that at your age you are perhaps slightly removed from things going on in the world today the world has changed a great deal even in the last 20 years you strike me as having a naive boomer 60s type mentality which is fair enough but not relevant to the world today
See how acute my sense of smell is even at such a ripe old age?0 -
One of Cummings munchkins then.FrancisUrquhart said:No10 head of press and former Vote Leave official Lee Cain is in talks to become Boris Johnson's chief of staff
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8935527/No10-head-Press-former-Vote-Leave-official-talks-Boris-Johnsons-chief-staff.html0 -
🙂rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1326255347447771136
When is BF going to pay up?0 -
The comment about your age was ageism and uncalled forkinabalu said:
It was a @Nigel_Foremain special about you when his blood was up. Stuck in my mind like so much does. I have a truly great memory for a man of 82.isam said:
Sub 900 now, the move is afoot!kinabalu said:
I wouldn't lay anything at 1000. Not even West Ham or Arsenal to win the Champions League this season when they aren't in it. Or even nearly in it.isam said:
Someone wants a grand at 1000 on Betfair Pence next Pres now!Anabobazina said:
Fill your boots layers
Why were you banned btw? Was it for being a "strutting right wing populist"?
I don’t know why, no ones telling, but that sounds like the kind of attention seeking self description I despise, so it wouldn’t be me saying it or admitting to it0 -
Maybe some 4-d chess merchants have worked out how Pence engineers Trump out with the 25th and then the ECV votes are overturned to elect Pence rather than Biden?DecrepiterJohnL said:
It is the same issue as with Kamala Harris. Mike Pence might well be the next President of the United States of America if Trump resigns (presumably in exchange for a pardon) but this is not what the misnamed Betfair market will be settled on.isam said:Pence in 230 points, 770 to lay
However, now that Pence is being traded, traders and trading bots can make money on the price fluctuations.0 -
🙁rottenborough said:But is it totally outside the realm of the possible that, with more compliant figures in charge of these parts of the government, “information” might be revealed or plots “discovered” that help legitimize not allowing the process to move forward to an Electoral College vote that would yield power to Joe Biden?
It’s probably outside the realm of the possible. Probably 99 percent outside.
But not 100 percent.
A little alarmism in the defense of liberty is no vice.
https://thebulwark.com/be-alarmed/0 -
I kind of hope his nickname in government circles is already set to 'like-a-sieve'FrancisUrquhart said:No10 head of press and former Vote Leave official Lee Cain is in talks to become Boris Johnson's chief of staff
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8935527/No10-head-Press-former-Vote-Leave-official-talks-Boris-Johnsons-chief-staff.html3 -
It appears to have been a thing in the minds of various commentators. who were commentating on the commentating of commentators who were commenting on... something they found somewhere. No actual information was harmed, disturbed or otherwise involved in this activity.Jonathan said:It’s remarkable that it’s remarkable the the British PM would do anything other than endorse the president elect. I am glad he did. But what have we become where it’s in doubt for a second?
Opinion as news.0 -
Perhaps he identifies as black, and not yet completed transition.Scott_xP said:0 -
Trump firing the leadership at the Pentagon and installing a bunch of yes men - Anthony Tata Sec of Def for policy
Tata - "He has falsely claimed that Barack Obama is a Muslim and "terrorist leader" and promoted a baseless conspiracy theory asserting that the CIA sought to assassinate Trump"
If it walks like a duck,
quacks like a duck
PERHAPS MAYBE IT MIGHT JUST y'know...2 -
The should have skills in comms - High on the list of rules in publishing stuff, these days, is to make sure that embarrassing versioning, meta data etc is not present. Remember people reverting changes in published Word docs?Benpointer said:
The people putting those comms graphics together are not IT people though are they?Beibheirli_C said:
No. I made a living out of doing the IT side of this sort of thing for years. It just requires attention to detail and a simple understanding that computers are not the sort of thing you see in Hollywood or CSI where pressing CTRL-X deletes the alien invasion fleet or removes all data forever because there are no such things as backups.Malmesbury said:
Story of government & politics in general.kle4 said:
Well I don't know. Certainly the operation is usually a complete shambles, but you'd think finding IT literate people could still occur. I don't know why even very basic presentation stuff seems so hard for parties sometimes. Of the 2019 GE manifestos only the Green Party's properly hyperlinked the document for ease of use when first releasedTheuniondivvie said:
All-too-believably incompetent comms from No 10, I think.Mexicanpete said:
Unbelievably incompetent comms from No 10.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Poor comms at no 10 but it does not alter the importance of Boris endorsing Joe Biden in a personal phone call which will aid Biden and add to Trump's dark angerMexicanpete said:
Did you see the nice greeting Johnson sent to Trump, err, I mean Biden?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I believe the call between Boris and Joe Biden was mutually beneficial and in Joe Biden's case Boris rejection of Trump must please him more than from must any other leader due to Boris previously attitude to TrumpCarnyx said:
Especiallyt if he wanted to cut the risk of any Irish border nonsense - remember the Act is going through Pmt at the moment.glw said:
I don't suppose it really means anything, somebody has to be first, and somebody else last. For all we know Biden simply wanted to get the call with Boris over with as soon as possible.rcs1000 said:
I think it's great we got the fist call.glw said:
It's funny how the order in which Biden called European leaders really mattered right up until the point he called Boris first, and now it doesn't matter at all. If I was feeling particularly petty I could go back through the posts today and name and shame, mostly remainers I expect.FrancisUrquhart said:
Now if it had been Macron then Boris, some journalists would he banging on about it for weeks, months, years...HYUFD said:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind if we were thirty-second, so long as we were ahead of France.
The cabinet room in No 10 has less functionality as a meeting space than it did during WWI, for example...1 -
It was never in doubt though. You're projecting what you want to see from Boris onto him. He very clearly congratulated Biden as soon as the US networks made the call and then made the official phone call as it was scheduled by the Biden team. Only in the heads of the 13% was it ever in doubt that Boris wouldn't endorse Biden, it says more about you that you thought that than it does of Boris who clearly didn't.Jonathan said:It’s remarkable that it’s remarkable the the British PM would do anything other than endorse the president elect. I am glad he did. But what have we become where it’s in doubt for a second?
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Thank you Big G. If I'm sharp enough I'm young enough.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The comment about your age was ageism and uncalled forkinabalu said:
It was a @Nigel_Foremain special about you when his blood was up. Stuck in my mind like so much does. I have a truly great memory for a man of 82.isam said:
Sub 900 now, the move is afoot!kinabalu said:
I wouldn't lay anything at 1000. Not even West Ham or Arsenal to win the Champions League this season when they aren't in it. Or even nearly in it.isam said:
Someone wants a grand at 1000 on Betfair Pence next Pres now!Anabobazina said:
Fill your boots layers
Why were you banned btw? Was it for being a "strutting right wing populist"?
I don’t know why, no ones telling, but that sounds like the kind of attention seeking self description I despise, so it wouldn’t be me saying it or admitting to it0 -
He doesnt sound like a yes man. He sounds like a please let me off the leash man.Pulpstar said:Trump firing the leadership at the Pentagon and installing a bunch of yes men - Anthony Tata Sec of Def for policy
Tata - "He has falsely claimed that Barack Obama is a Muslim and "terrorist leader" and promoted a baseless conspiracy theory asserting that the CIA sought to assassinate Trump"
If it walks like a duck,
quacks like a duck
PERHAPS MAYBE IT MIGHT JUST y'know...0 -
You're right. We should remember this isn't about us. If they want to go off the deep end there isn't much a UK PM can do.kle4 said:
It wasn't in doubt even for a second. He did it within an hour of US media networks calling it in similar timeframes as other democratic leaders. People are pretending it was in doubt because the want to believe he wouldn't have done it, even though nothing suggests he would have done otherwise.Jonathan said:It’s remarkable that it’s remarkable the the British PM would do anything other than endorse the president elect. I am glad he did. But what have we become where it’s in doubt for a second?
Other than carry on.1 -
As an aside, we've seen a new ballot drop in Arizona: 7,000 votes, nearly 50:50 between Biden and Trump.
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I didn't have much remaining doubt about the second wave being worse than the first, but that news has eliminated all that remained.FrancisUrquhart said:0 -
You think there's a genuine non-trivial chance of USA going fascist here?Pulpstar said:Trump firing the leadership at the Pentagon and installing a bunch of yes men - Anthony Tata Sec of Def for policy
Tata - "He has falsely claimed that Barack Obama is a Muslim and "terrorist leader" and promoted a baseless conspiracy theory asserting that the CIA sought to assassinate Trump"
If it walks like a duck,
quacks like a duck
PERHAPS MAYBE IT MIGHT JUST y'know...0 -
rottenborough said:
https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1326255347447771136
When is BF going to pay up?
In all fairness to @MrEd, he freely admits he is/was* a Trump supporter.kinabalu said:
You are a poundland @MrEd. He's a Trump freak too but he masks it a whole lot better. You were obvious from your first post.peter505 said:kinabalu i am surprised you are 82 i had you pegged as a millenial however just a thought that at your age you are perhaps slightly removed from things going on in the world today the world has changed a great deal even in the last 20 years you strike me as having a naive boomer 60s type mentality which is fair enough but not relevant to the world today
See how acute my sense of smell is even at such a ripe old age?
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Wonder if HM will be early on the vaccine list?0
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Boris's Chief of Staff. The Americanisation of British Politics continues. The West Wing has a lot to answer for; Boris is appointing his own Leo to go with his own CJ.FrancisUrquhart said:No10 head of press and former Vote Leave official Lee Cain is in talks to become Boris Johnson's chief of staff
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8935527/No10-head-Press-former-Vote-Leave-official-talks-Boris-Johnsons-chief-staff.html1 -
Pulpstar said:
Trump firing the leadership at the Pentagon and installing a bunch of yes men - Anthony Tata Sec of Def for policy
Tata - "He has falsely claimed that Barack Obama is a Muslim and "terrorist leader" and promoted a baseless conspiracy theory asserting that the CIA sought to assassinate Trump"
If it walks like a duck,
quacks like a duck
PERHAPS MAYBE IT MIGHT JUST y'know...
This story appears to date back to April?
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/23/fox-anthony-tata-pentagon-2035360 -
Trump's massive disinformation campaign has worked.
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/525388-poll-70-percent-of-republicans-dont-believe-election-was-free-and-fair1 -
Of course you are as am I at 77 and my wife at 81kinabalu said:
Thank you Big G. If I'm sharp enough I'm young enough.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The comment about your age was ageism and uncalled forkinabalu said:
It was a @Nigel_Foremain special about you when his blood was up. Stuck in my mind like so much does. I have a truly great memory for a man of 82.isam said:
Sub 900 now, the move is afoot!kinabalu said:
I wouldn't lay anything at 1000. Not even West Ham or Arsenal to win the Champions League this season when they aren't in it. Or even nearly in it.isam said:
Someone wants a grand at 1000 on Betfair Pence next Pres now!Anabobazina said:
Fill your boots layers
Why were you banned btw? Was it for being a "strutting right wing populist"?
I don’t know why, no ones telling, but that sounds like the kind of attention seeking self description I despise, so it wouldn’t be me saying it or admitting to it1 -
Pennsylvania; Biden lead 46,223, remains ballots 46,857
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Yes, I hold no candle for Boris but some people really get high on their own supply about him.MaxPB said:
It was never in doubt though. You're projecting what you want to see from Boris onto him. He very clearly congratulated Biden as soon as the US networks made the call and then made the official phone call as it was scheduled by the Biden team. Only in the heads of the 13% was it ever in doubt that Boris wouldn't endorse Biden, it says more about you that you thought that than it does of Boris who clearly didn't.Jonathan said:It’s remarkable that it’s remarkable the the British PM would do anything other than endorse the president elect. I am glad he did. But what have we become where it’s in doubt for a second?
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You would think, all things considered, that now might not be the time to emulate the US system of administration.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Boris's Chief of Staff. The Americanisation of British Politics continues. The West Wing has a lot to answer for; Boris is appointing his own Leo to go with his own CJ.FrancisUrquhart said:No10 head of press and former Vote Leave official Lee Cain is in talks to become Boris Johnson's chief of staff
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8935527/No10-head-Press-former-Vote-Leave-official-talks-Boris-Johnsons-chief-staff.html3 -
So the order of PB'ers to take the vaccine goes....Big_G_NorthWales said:
Of course you are as am I at 77 and my wife at 81kinabalu said:
Thank you Big G. If I'm sharp enough I'm young enough.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The comment about your age was ageism and uncalled forkinabalu said:
It was a @Nigel_Foremain special about you when his blood was up. Stuck in my mind like so much does. I have a truly great memory for a man of 82.isam said:
Sub 900 now, the move is afoot!kinabalu said:
I wouldn't lay anything at 1000. Not even West Ham or Arsenal to win the Champions League this season when they aren't in it. Or even nearly in it.isam said:
Someone wants a grand at 1000 on Betfair Pence next Pres now!Anabobazina said:
Fill your boots layers
Why were you banned btw? Was it for being a "strutting right wing populist"?
I don’t know why, no ones telling, but that sounds like the kind of attention seeking self description I despise, so it wouldn’t be me saying it or admitting to it
1st in the country - JackW
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Although coming over as a sparky millennial, that's great. That really warms a tired old man's cockles.Carnyx said:
I like the way it's bothj ageist and youthist as well - poor Kinabalu can't win.Big_G_NorthWales said:
What a ridiculous ageist commentpeter505 said:kinabalu i am surprised you are 82 i had you pegged as a millenial however just a thought that at your age you are perhaps slightly removed from things going on in the world today the world has changed a great deal even in the last 20 years you strike me as having a naive boomer 60s type mentality which is fair enough but not relevant to the world today
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....Nazi Duck?Pulpstar said:Trump firing the leadership at the Pentagon and installing a bunch of yes men - Anthony Tata Sec of Def for policy
Tata - "He has falsely claimed that Barack Obama is a Muslim and "terrorist leader" and promoted a baseless conspiracy theory asserting that the CIA sought to assassinate Trump"
If it walks like a duck,
quacks like a duck
PERHAPS MAYBE IT MIGHT JUST y'know...
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It was definitely doubted by more than a few. But either way I’m glad he endorsed the new president and got the president early call. We’re fully roped in on the Biden expressMaxPB said:
It was never in doubt though. You're projecting what you want to see from Boris onto him. He very clearly congratulated Biden as soon as the US networks made the call and then made the official phone call as it was scheduled by the Biden team. Only in the heads of the 13% was it ever in doubt that Boris wouldn't endorse Biden, it says more about you that you thought that than it does of Boris who clearly didn't.Jonathan said:It’s remarkable that it’s remarkable the the British PM would do anything other than endorse the president elect. I am glad he did. But what have we become where it’s in doubt for a second?
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Is someone going to attempt a roll call of posters in line for the vaccineMalmesbury said:
So the order of PB'ers to take the vaccine goes....Big_G_NorthWales said:
Of course you are as am I at 77 and my wife at 81kinabalu said:
Thank you Big G. If I'm sharp enough I'm young enough.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The comment about your age was ageism and uncalled forkinabalu said:
It was a @Nigel_Foremain special about you when his blood was up. Stuck in my mind like so much does. I have a truly great memory for a man of 82.isam said:
Sub 900 now, the move is afoot!kinabalu said:
I wouldn't lay anything at 1000. Not even West Ham or Arsenal to win the Champions League this season when they aren't in it. Or even nearly in it.isam said:
Someone wants a grand at 1000 on Betfair Pence next Pres now!Anabobazina said:
Fill your boots layers
Why were you banned btw? Was it for being a "strutting right wing populist"?
I don’t know why, no ones telling, but that sounds like the kind of attention seeking self description I despise, so it wouldn’t be me saying it or admitting to it
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It must really eat away at them that Boris was the first European leader to get the call and that it wasn't Merkel or some unelected Eurocrat.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, I hold no candle for Boris but some people really get high on their own supply about him.MaxPB said:
It was never in doubt though. You're projecting what you want to see from Boris onto him. He very clearly congratulated Biden as soon as the US networks made the call and then made the official phone call as it was scheduled by the Biden team. Only in the heads of the 13% was it ever in doubt that Boris wouldn't endorse Biden, it says more about you that you thought that than it does of Boris who clearly didn't.Jonathan said:It’s remarkable that it’s remarkable the the British PM would do anything other than endorse the president elect. I am glad he did. But what have we become where it’s in doubt for a second?
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Thanks @Anabobazina. Re Trump, I think he has a right to contest the vote if he thinks fit and can produce genuine evidence (and I had the same opinion with HRC) but he certainly has no right to try and steal an election.Anabobazina said:rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1326255347447771136
When is BF going to pay up?
In all fairness to @MrEd, he freely admits he is/was* a Trump supporter.kinabalu said:
You are a poundland @MrEd. He's a Trump freak too but he masks it a whole lot better. You were obvious from your first post.peter505 said:kinabalu i am surprised you are 82 i had you pegged as a millenial however just a thought that at your age you are perhaps slightly removed from things going on in the world today the world has changed a great deal even in the last 20 years you strike me as having a naive boomer 60s type mentality which is fair enough but not relevant to the world today
See how acute my sense of smell is even at such a ripe old age?
*I believe rather less so now since he has witnessed his embarrassing refusal to concede.
Re whether I would vote for him now: I'd hold off. He hasn't done anything yet to overstep the bounds - a lot of bluster, a lot of lawsuits but nothing unconstitutional. The moment he does, that is it.1 -
More importantly, this isn't the act of a PM who is planning to step down early in the New Year, Brexit done and Covid conquered.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Boris's Chief of Staff. The Americanisation of British Politics continues. The West Wing has a lot to answer for; Boris is appointing his own Leo to go with his own CJ.FrancisUrquhart said:No10 head of press and former Vote Leave official Lee Cain is in talks to become Boris Johnson's chief of staff
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8935527/No10-head-Press-former-Vote-Leave-official-talks-Boris-Johnsons-chief-staff.html1 -
They tried to appoint him then but withdrew the nomination in July as he was too controversial for the Senate hearings.Anabobazina said:Pulpstar said:Trump firing the leadership at the Pentagon and installing a bunch of yes men - Anthony Tata Sec of Def for policy
Tata - "He has falsely claimed that Barack Obama is a Muslim and "terrorist leader" and promoted a baseless conspiracy theory asserting that the CIA sought to assassinate Trump"
If it walks like a duck,
quacks like a duck
PERHAPS MAYBE IT MIGHT JUST y'know...
This story appears to date back to April?
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Yes, the 13%, you were wrong.Jonathan said:
It was definitely doubted by more than a few. But either way I’m glad he endorsed the new president and got the president early call. We’re fully roped in on the Biden expressMaxPB said:
It was never in doubt though. You're projecting what you want to see from Boris onto him. He very clearly congratulated Biden as soon as the US networks made the call and then made the official phone call as it was scheduled by the Biden team. Only in the heads of the 13% was it ever in doubt that Boris wouldn't endorse Biden, it says more about you that you thought that than it does of Boris who clearly didn't.Jonathan said:It’s remarkable that it’s remarkable the the British PM would do anything other than endorse the president elect. I am glad he did. But what have we become where it’s in doubt for a second?
Personally I do worry about Conservative outriders like Hilton, Rossendale or Jenkyns . The idea that Hilton was in no10 for so long is worrisome.0 -
Nowhere near enough for Trump.rcs1000 said:As an aside, we've seen a new ballot drop in Arizona: 7,000 votes, nearly 50:50 between Biden and Trump.
Anyone know at what rate provisionals are being validated?
(i.e. what proportion are being counted because their counterpart mail-in hadn't been recorded).0 -
And there was me thinking we were getting on so well.kinabalu said:
You are a poundland @MrEd. He's a Trump freak too but he masks it a whole lot better. You were obvious from your first post.peter505 said:kinabalu i am surprised you are 82 i had you pegged as a millenial however just a thought that at your age you are perhaps slightly removed from things going on in the world today the world has changed a great deal even in the last 20 years you strike me as having a naive boomer 60s type mentality which is fair enough but not relevant to the world today
See how acute my sense of smell is even at such a ripe old age?
Still, at least I have been elevated. M&S? Debenhams? Harrods?2 -
The election I was just elected in was fraudulent.
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Eh? Never mind. Check out Trumps retweets of Hilton. Blimey.MaxPB said:
Yes, the 13%, you were wrong.Jonathan said:
It was definitely doubted by more than a few. But either way I’m glad he endorsed the new president and got the president early call. We’re fully roped in on the Biden expressMaxPB said:
It was never in doubt though. You're projecting what you want to see from Boris onto him. He very clearly congratulated Biden as soon as the US networks made the call and then made the official phone call as it was scheduled by the Biden team. Only in the heads of the 13% was it ever in doubt that Boris wouldn't endorse Biden, it says more about you that you thought that than it does of Boris who clearly didn't.Jonathan said:It’s remarkable that it’s remarkable the the British PM would do anything other than endorse the president elect. I am glad he did. But what have we become where it’s in doubt for a second?
Personally I do worry about Conservative outriders like Hilton, Rossendale or Jenkyns . The idea that Hilton was in no10 for so long is worrisome.0 -
The under 50s won't get it rumour is less popular with my partner (49) than with me.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Is someone going to attempt a roll call of posters in line for the vaccineMalmesbury said:
So the order of PB'ers to take the vaccine goes....Big_G_NorthWales said:
Of course you are as am I at 77 and my wife at 81kinabalu said:
Thank you Big G. If I'm sharp enough I'm young enough.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The comment about your age was ageism and uncalled forkinabalu said:
It was a @Nigel_Foremain special about you when his blood was up. Stuck in my mind like so much does. I have a truly great memory for a man of 82.isam said:
Sub 900 now, the move is afoot!kinabalu said:
I wouldn't lay anything at 1000. Not even West Ham or Arsenal to win the Champions League this season when they aren't in it. Or even nearly in it.isam said:
Someone wants a grand at 1000 on Betfair Pence next Pres now!Anabobazina said:
Fill your boots layers
Why were you banned btw? Was it for being a "strutting right wing populist"?
I don’t know why, no ones telling, but that sounds like the kind of attention seeking self description I despise, so it wouldn’t be me saying it or admitting to it
1st in the country - JackW
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That is an American poll though. We've just established they are beyond shite.rottenborough said:Trump's massive disinformation campaign has worked.
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/525388-poll-70-percent-of-republicans-dont-believe-election-was-free-and-fair0 -
Hilton is a nobody. He speaks for no one but himself. Same for all the others you mention. If any Tory MP starts questioning the result then they need to have the whip withdrawn.Jonathan said:
Eh? Never mind. Check out Trumps retweets of Hilton. Blimey.MaxPB said:
Yes, the 13%, you were wrong.Jonathan said:
It was definitely doubted by more than a few. But either way I’m glad he endorsed the new president and got the president early call. We’re fully roped in on the Biden expressMaxPB said:
It was never in doubt though. You're projecting what you want to see from Boris onto him. He very clearly congratulated Biden as soon as the US networks made the call and then made the official phone call as it was scheduled by the Biden team. Only in the heads of the 13% was it ever in doubt that Boris wouldn't endorse Biden, it says more about you that you thought that than it does of Boris who clearly didn't.Jonathan said:It’s remarkable that it’s remarkable the the British PM would do anything other than endorse the president elect. I am glad he did. But what have we become where it’s in doubt for a second?
Personally I do worry about Conservative outriders like Hilton, Rossendale or Jenkyns . The idea that Hilton was in no10 for so long is worrisome.4 -
At that point Americans wont have a meaningful vote, that is the whole point of a fascist coup! It might be just a tad late to change your mind after the putsch.MrEd said:
Thanks @Anabobazina. Re Trump, I think he has a right to contest the vote if he thinks fit and can produce genuine evidence (and I had the same opinion with HRC) but he certainly has no right to try and steal an election.Anabobazina said:rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1326255347447771136
When is BF going to pay up?
In all fairness to @MrEd, he freely admits he is/was* a Trump supporter.kinabalu said:
You are a poundland @MrEd. He's a Trump freak too but he masks it a whole lot better. You were obvious from your first post.peter505 said:kinabalu i am surprised you are 82 i had you pegged as a millenial however just a thought that at your age you are perhaps slightly removed from things going on in the world today the world has changed a great deal even in the last 20 years you strike me as having a naive boomer 60s type mentality which is fair enough but not relevant to the world today
See how acute my sense of smell is even at such a ripe old age?
*I believe rather less so now since he has witnessed his embarrassing refusal to concede.
Re whether I would vote for him now: I'd hold off. He hasn't done anything yet to overstep the bounds - a lot of bluster, a lot of lawsuits but nothing unconstitutional. The moment he does, that is it.0 -
2 o'clock in the morning uk time for the Alaska vote counting to be announced0
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No, I think that is for the birds. I've backed him at 1.9 to be still PM on 1st July 2022 and I'm very happy with that as a bet.Stuartinromford said:
More importantly, this isn't the act of a PM who is planning to step down early in the New Year, Brexit done and Covid conquered.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Boris's Chief of Staff. The Americanisation of British Politics continues. The West Wing has a lot to answer for; Boris is appointing his own Leo to go with his own CJ.FrancisUrquhart said:No10 head of press and former Vote Leave official Lee Cain is in talks to become Boris Johnson's chief of staff
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8935527/No10-head-Press-former-Vote-Leave-official-talks-Boris-Johnsons-chief-staff.html0 -
Have you seen his stuff?MaxPB said:
Hilton is a nobody. He speaks for no one but himself. Same for all the others you mention. If any Tory MP starts questioning the result then they need to have the whip withdrawn.Jonathan said:
Eh? Never mind. Check out Trumps retweets of Hilton. Blimey.MaxPB said:
Yes, the 13%, you were wrong.Jonathan said:
It was definitely doubted by more than a few. But either way I’m glad he endorsed the new president and got the president early call. We’re fully roped in on the Biden expressMaxPB said:
It was never in doubt though. You're projecting what you want to see from Boris onto him. He very clearly congratulated Biden as soon as the US networks made the call and then made the official phone call as it was scheduled by the Biden team. Only in the heads of the 13% was it ever in doubt that Boris wouldn't endorse Biden, it says more about you that you thought that than it does of Boris who clearly didn't.Jonathan said:It’s remarkable that it’s remarkable the the British PM would do anything other than endorse the president elect. I am glad he did. But what have we become where it’s in doubt for a second?
Personally I do worry about Conservative outriders like Hilton, Rossendale or Jenkyns . The idea that Hilton was in no10 for so long is worrisome.0 -
I am sure everyone will be offered it in due coursedixiedean said:
The under 50s won't get it rumour is less popular with my partner (49) than with me.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Is someone going to attempt a roll call of posters in line for the vaccineMalmesbury said:
So the order of PB'ers to take the vaccine goes....Big_G_NorthWales said:
Of course you are as am I at 77 and my wife at 81kinabalu said:
Thank you Big G. If I'm sharp enough I'm young enough.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The comment about your age was ageism and uncalled forkinabalu said:
It was a @Nigel_Foremain special about you when his blood was up. Stuck in my mind like so much does. I have a truly great memory for a man of 82.isam said:
Sub 900 now, the move is afoot!kinabalu said:
I wouldn't lay anything at 1000. Not even West Ham or Arsenal to win the Champions League this season when they aren't in it. Or even nearly in it.isam said:
Someone wants a grand at 1000 on Betfair Pence next Pres now!Anabobazina said:
Fill your boots layers
Why were you banned btw? Was it for being a "strutting right wing populist"?
I don’t know why, no ones telling, but that sounds like the kind of attention seeking self description I despise, so it wouldn’t be me saying it or admitting to it
1st in the country - JackW
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No, why would I? As I just said, he's a nobody.Jonathan said:
Have you seen his stuff?MaxPB said:
Hilton is a nobody. He speaks for no one but himself. Same for all the others you mention. If any Tory MP starts questioning the result then they need to have the whip withdrawn.Jonathan said:
Eh? Never mind. Check out Trumps retweets of Hilton. Blimey.MaxPB said:
Yes, the 13%, you were wrong.Jonathan said:
It was definitely doubted by more than a few. But either way I’m glad he endorsed the new president and got the president early call. We’re fully roped in on the Biden expressMaxPB said:
It was never in doubt though. You're projecting what you want to see from Boris onto him. He very clearly congratulated Biden as soon as the US networks made the call and then made the official phone call as it was scheduled by the Biden team. Only in the heads of the 13% was it ever in doubt that Boris wouldn't endorse Biden, it says more about you that you thought that than it does of Boris who clearly didn't.Jonathan said:It’s remarkable that it’s remarkable the the British PM would do anything other than endorse the president elect. I am glad he did. But what have we become where it’s in doubt for a second?
Personally I do worry about Conservative outriders like Hilton, Rossendale or Jenkyns . The idea that Hilton was in no10 for so long is worrisome.0 -
One of England's greatest ever bowlers and a top official at the pentagon !
Take a bow Jimmy.
https://twitter.com/anoncatanoncat/status/13262767460149125120 -
Nothing in that poll suprises me, the country is totally divided, the fact Trump got 70 million votes proves that. He could have lost by 200 EVs and if he had cried foul and demanded they reverse the results of 10 states the masses would have followed him over the top!Alistair said:
That is an American poll though. We've just established they are beyond shite.rottenborough said:Trump's massive disinformation campaign has worked.
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/525388-poll-70-percent-of-republicans-dont-believe-election-was-free-and-fair0 -
How old is SeanT? - that's at least 5 or 6 million doses, right theredixiedean said:
The under 50s won't get it rumour is less popular with my partner (49) than with me.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Is someone going to attempt a roll call of posters in line for the vaccineMalmesbury said:
So the order of PB'ers to take the vaccine goes....Big_G_NorthWales said:
Of course you are as am I at 77 and my wife at 81kinabalu said:
Thank you Big G. If I'm sharp enough I'm young enough.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The comment about your age was ageism and uncalled forkinabalu said:
It was a @Nigel_Foremain special about you when his blood was up. Stuck in my mind like so much does. I have a truly great memory for a man of 82.isam said:
Sub 900 now, the move is afoot!kinabalu said:
I wouldn't lay anything at 1000. Not even West Ham or Arsenal to win the Champions League this season when they aren't in it. Or even nearly in it.isam said:
Someone wants a grand at 1000 on Betfair Pence next Pres now!Anabobazina said:
Fill your boots layers
Why were you banned btw? Was it for being a "strutting right wing populist"?
I don’t know why, no ones telling, but that sounds like the kind of attention seeking self description I despise, so it wouldn’t be me saying it or admitting to it
1st in the country - JackW
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My first computer was a ZX81. After 6 weeks I part-exchanged it for a BBC Model BMalmesbury said:
I've been in IT since the ZX-81Beibheirli_C said:
No. I made a living out of doing the IT side of this sort of thing for years. It just requires attention to detail and a simple understanding that computers are not the sort of thing you see in Hollywood or CSI where pressing CTRL-X deletes the alien invasion fleet or removes all data forever because there are no such things as backups.Malmesbury said:
Story of government & politics in general.kle4 said:
Well I don't know. Certainly the operation is usually a complete shambles, but you'd think finding IT literate people could still occur. I don't know why even very basic presentation stuff seems so hard for parties sometimes. Of the 2019 GE manifestos only the Green Party's properly hyperlinked the document for ease of use when first releasedTheuniondivvie said:
All-too-believably incompetent comms from No 10, I think.Mexicanpete said:
Unbelievably incompetent comms from No 10.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Poor comms at no 10 but it does not alter the importance of Boris endorsing Joe Biden in a personal phone call which will aid Biden and add to Trump's dark angerMexicanpete said:
Did you see the nice greeting Johnson sent to Trump, err, I mean Biden?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I believe the call between Boris and Joe Biden was mutually beneficial and in Joe Biden's case Boris rejection of Trump must please him more than from must any other leader due to Boris previously attitude to TrumpCarnyx said:
Especiallyt if he wanted to cut the risk of any Irish border nonsense - remember the Act is going through Pmt at the moment.glw said:
I don't suppose it really means anything, somebody has to be first, and somebody else last. For all we know Biden simply wanted to get the call with Boris over with as soon as possible.rcs1000 said:
I think it's great we got the fist call.glw said:
It's funny how the order in which Biden called European leaders really mattered right up until the point he called Boris first, and now it doesn't matter at all. If I was feeling particularly petty I could go back through the posts today and name and shame, mostly remainers I expect.FrancisUrquhart said:
Now if it had been Macron then Boris, some journalists would he banging on about it for weeks, months, years...HYUFD said:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind if we were thirty-second, so long as we were ahead of France.
The cabinet room in No 10 has less functionality as a meeting space than it did during WWI, for example...
Government & politics in general has been uniformly incompetent in IT throughout that period. Many people I have encountered in the area seem to take a joy in being IT illiterate. Printing emails, the works...
The "Proud to be IT illiterate" brigade are merely a subset of the "Proud to be innumerate" brigade who happily boast that science and maths are beyond understanding.2 -
MAGA twitter not sure the latest CIA move is to their advantage
https://twitter.com/CassandraRules/status/13262958325184143360 -
Ardent supporter, I think, to be 100% fair. As to whether his attachment to Trump is greater than his attachment to democracy, we will soon find out.Anabobazina said:rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1326255347447771136
When is BF going to pay up?
In all fairness to @MrEd, he freely admits he is/was* a Trump supporter.kinabalu said:
You are a poundland @MrEd. He's a Trump freak too but he masks it a whole lot better. You were obvious from your first post.peter505 said:kinabalu i am surprised you are 82 i had you pegged as a millenial however just a thought that at your age you are perhaps slightly removed from things going on in the world today the world has changed a great deal even in the last 20 years you strike me as having a naive boomer 60s type mentality which is fair enough but not relevant to the world today
See how acute my sense of smell is even at such a ripe old age?
*I believe rather less so now since he has witnessed his embarrassing refusal to concede.
This is the courtroom. His posts are the evidence. And we are the jury. I will be the foreman.0 -
Would have been useful in the swing States.Pulpstar said:One of England's greatest ever bowlers and a top official at the pentagon !
Take a bow Jimmy.
https://twitter.com/anoncatanoncat/status/1326276746014912512
I need my coat, thanks. It is November.4 -
You are in awe of his lifetime track record of sensible decisions?kle4 said:
It wasn't in doubt even for a second. He did it within an hour of US media networks calling it in similar timeframes as other democratic leaders. People are pretending it was in doubt because the want to believe he wouldn't have done it, even though nothing suggests he would have done otherwise.Jonathan said:It’s remarkable that it’s remarkable the the British PM would do anything other than endorse the president elect. I am glad he did. But what have we become where it’s in doubt for a second?
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You had a BBC.... Luuuuuuuuuuxury........ we was so poor we couldn't afford the "1"s in binary numbers....Beibheirli_C said:
My first computer was a ZX81. After 6 weeks I part-exchanged it for a BBC Model BMalmesbury said:
I've been in IT since the ZX-81Beibheirli_C said:
No. I made a living out of doing the IT side of this sort of thing for years. It just requires attention to detail and a simple understanding that computers are not the sort of thing you see in Hollywood or CSI where pressing CTRL-X deletes the alien invasion fleet or removes all data forever because there are no such things as backups.Malmesbury said:
Story of government & politics in general.kle4 said:
Well I don't know. Certainly the operation is usually a complete shambles, but you'd think finding IT literate people could still occur. I don't know why even very basic presentation stuff seems so hard for parties sometimes. Of the 2019 GE manifestos only the Green Party's properly hyperlinked the document for ease of use when first releasedTheuniondivvie said:
All-too-believably incompetent comms from No 10, I think.Mexicanpete said:
Unbelievably incompetent comms from No 10.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Poor comms at no 10 but it does not alter the importance of Boris endorsing Joe Biden in a personal phone call which will aid Biden and add to Trump's dark angerMexicanpete said:
Did you see the nice greeting Johnson sent to Trump, err, I mean Biden?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I believe the call between Boris and Joe Biden was mutually beneficial and in Joe Biden's case Boris rejection of Trump must please him more than from must any other leader due to Boris previously attitude to TrumpCarnyx said:
Especiallyt if he wanted to cut the risk of any Irish border nonsense - remember the Act is going through Pmt at the moment.glw said:
I don't suppose it really means anything, somebody has to be first, and somebody else last. For all we know Biden simply wanted to get the call with Boris over with as soon as possible.rcs1000 said:
I think it's great we got the fist call.glw said:
It's funny how the order in which Biden called European leaders really mattered right up until the point he called Boris first, and now it doesn't matter at all. If I was feeling particularly petty I could go back through the posts today and name and shame, mostly remainers I expect.FrancisUrquhart said:
Now if it had been Macron then Boris, some journalists would he banging on about it for weeks, months, years...HYUFD said:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind if we were thirty-second, so long as we were ahead of France.
The cabinet room in No 10 has less functionality as a meeting space than it did during WWI, for example...
Government & politics in general has been uniformly incompetent in IT throughout that period. Many people I have encountered in the area seem to take a joy in being IT illiterate. Printing emails, the works...
The "Proud to be IT illiterate" brigade are merely a subset of the "Proud to be innumerate" brigade who happily boast that science and maths are beyond understanding.
Who'd a thought thirty years ago we'd all be sittin' here drinking Chateau de Chassilier wine?0 -
Ah, I always knew you were a fascist at heart. Always there to judge, always there to preach.kinabalu said:
Ardent supporter, I think, to be 100% fair. As to whether his attachment to Trump is greater than his attachment to democracy, we will soon find out.Anabobazina said:rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1326255347447771136
When is BF going to pay up?
In all fairness to @MrEd, he freely admits he is/was* a Trump supporter.kinabalu said:
You are a poundland @MrEd. He's a Trump freak too but he masks it a whole lot better. You were obvious from your first post.peter505 said:kinabalu i am surprised you are 82 i had you pegged as a millenial however just a thought that at your age you are perhaps slightly removed from things going on in the world today the world has changed a great deal even in the last 20 years you strike me as having a naive boomer 60s type mentality which is fair enough but not relevant to the world today
See how acute my sense of smell is even at such a ripe old age?
*I believe rather less so now since he has witnessed his embarrassing refusal to concede.
This is the courtroom. His posts are the evidence. And we are the jury. I will be the foreman.
From now on, you shall be called the Trumpfinder-General of PB
You were born in the wrong century. You would have been fantastic in 16th Century Geneva as a Calvinist or 17th Century New England in Salem.0 -
He later claimed he was sharing a message a constituent sent him some time ago.Beibheirli_C said:1 -
I doubt they do believe it.kle4 said:
What I find more incredible is the various online defenders who genuine seem to believe that a Republican claiming something happened is itself proof that there's something dodgy going on which raises interesting questions.Mysticrose said:
The Republican Party has gone stark, raving, bonkers. Utterly nuts.
It'd be like a religious person trying to prove a miracle by pointing to it being referenced in their holy book.
What we need to realise is that spreading lies and misinformation is a deliberate strategy of Trump fans and people need to wake up and call it out when they see it.
If it goes unchallenged you end up like the US with millions believing in QAnon-type bollox. That is why belatedly social media in America have woken up to that fact that they have to now label the President's tweets as untrue.1 -
O/T
This is absolutely true in my experience. I stopped wearing a helmet a few years ago for this reason.
https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/13261996555045068811 -
MaxPB said:
No, why would I? As I just said, he's a nobody.Jonathan said:
Have you seen his stuff?MaxPB said:
Hilton is a nobody. He speaks for no one but himself. Same for all the others you mention. If any Tory MP starts questioning the result then they need to have the whip withdrawn.Jonathan said:
Eh? Never mind. Check out Trumps retweets of Hilton. Blimey.MaxPB said:
Yes, the 13%, you were wrong.Jonathan said:
It was definitely doubted by more than a few. But either way I’m glad he endorsed the new president and got the president early call. We’re fully roped in on the Biden expressMaxPB said:
It was never in doubt though. You're projecting what you want to see from Boris onto him. He very clearly congratulated Biden as soon as the US networks made the call and then made the official phone call as it was scheduled by the Biden team. Only in the heads of the 13% was it ever in doubt that Boris wouldn't endorse Biden, it says more about you that you thought that than it does of Boris who clearly didn't.Jonathan said:It’s remarkable that it’s remarkable the the British PM would do anything other than endorse the president elect. I am glad he did. But what have we become where it’s in doubt for a second?
Personally I do worry about Conservative outriders like Hilton, Rossendale or Jenkyns . The idea that Hilton was in no10 for so long is worrisome.
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Doesn't mean he's not a nobody today.Jonathan said:MaxPB said:
No, why would I? As I just said, he's a nobody.Jonathan said:
Have you seen his stuff?MaxPB said:
Hilton is a nobody. He speaks for no one but himself. Same for all the others you mention. If any Tory MP starts questioning the result then they need to have the whip withdrawn.Jonathan said:
Eh? Never mind. Check out Trumps retweets of Hilton. Blimey.MaxPB said:
Yes, the 13%, you were wrong.Jonathan said:
It was definitely doubted by more than a few. But either way I’m glad he endorsed the new president and got the president early call. We’re fully roped in on the Biden expressMaxPB said:
It was never in doubt though. You're projecting what you want to see from Boris onto him. He very clearly congratulated Biden as soon as the US networks made the call and then made the official phone call as it was scheduled by the Biden team. Only in the heads of the 13% was it ever in doubt that Boris wouldn't endorse Biden, it says more about you that you thought that than it does of Boris who clearly didn't.Jonathan said:It’s remarkable that it’s remarkable the the British PM would do anything other than endorse the president elect. I am glad he did. But what have we become where it’s in doubt for a second?
Personally I do worry about Conservative outriders like Hilton, Rossendale or Jenkyns . The idea that Hilton was in no10 for so long is worrisome.1 -
But then millions believed after the 2016 election that Russia stole it and they put "their" man in the White House.OllyT said:
I doubt they do believe it.kle4 said:
What I find more incredible is the various online defenders who genuine seem to believe that a Republican claiming something happened is itself proof that there's something dodgy going on which raises interesting questions.Mysticrose said:
The Republican Party has gone stark, raving, bonkers. Utterly nuts.
It'd be like a religious person trying to prove a miracle by pointing to it being referenced in their holy book.
What we need to realise is that spreading lies and misinformation is a deliberate strategy of Trump fans and people need to wake up and call it out when they see it.
If it goes unchallenged you end up like the US with millions believing in QAnon-type bollox.
And it was exactly the same policy of spreading disinformation and exaggerating claims about Russian interference in the process.
The same people who are screaming about electoral integrity in 2020 were the same ones screaming about Russian interference in 2016.0 -
Dispiriting stuff. It doesn't take long to review allegations, even serious allegations, if evidence is not presented to substantiate them. Given statistically it's unlikely all 8 are idiots, they must know that.Alistair said:The election I was just elected in was fraudulent.
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What does that prove? Please enlighten me about his position in the current administration. Who does he represent in the government?Jonathan said:MaxPB said:
No, why would I? As I just said, he's a nobody.Jonathan said:
Have you seen his stuff?MaxPB said:
Hilton is a nobody. He speaks for no one but himself. Same for all the others you mention. If any Tory MP starts questioning the result then they need to have the whip withdrawn.Jonathan said:
Eh? Never mind. Check out Trumps retweets of Hilton. Blimey.MaxPB said:
Yes, the 13%, you were wrong.Jonathan said:
It was definitely doubted by more than a few. But either way I’m glad he endorsed the new president and got the president early call. We’re fully roped in on the Biden expressMaxPB said:
It was never in doubt though. You're projecting what you want to see from Boris onto him. He very clearly congratulated Biden as soon as the US networks made the call and then made the official phone call as it was scheduled by the Biden team. Only in the heads of the 13% was it ever in doubt that Boris wouldn't endorse Biden, it says more about you that you thought that than it does of Boris who clearly didn't.Jonathan said:It’s remarkable that it’s remarkable the the British PM would do anything other than endorse the president elect. I am glad he did. But what have we become where it’s in doubt for a second?
Personally I do worry about Conservative outriders like Hilton, Rossendale or Jenkyns . The idea that Hilton was in no10 for so long is worrisome.
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To be fair to Raffensperger, he has resisted a lot more than I thought he might.kle4 said:
Dispiriting stuff. It doesn't take long to review allegations, even serious allegations, if evidence is not presented to substantiate them. Given statistically it's unlikely all 8 are idiots, they must know that.Alistair said:The election I was just elected in was fraudulent.
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Still, I would love to be a fly on the wall in his household explaining that one to his wifeBeibheirli_C said:1 -
He's another one - Hilton - where I wonder how much is genuine belief in what he says and how much is either narcissistic personality disorder or simple "man has to pay the rent" grifting.Jonathan said:
It was definitely doubted by more than a few. But either way I’m glad he endorsed the new president and got the president early call. We’re fully roped in on the Biden expressMaxPB said:
It was never in doubt though. You're projecting what you want to see from Boris onto him. He very clearly congratulated Biden as soon as the US networks made the call and then made the official phone call as it was scheduled by the Biden team. Only in the heads of the 13% was it ever in doubt that Boris wouldn't endorse Biden, it says more about you that you thought that than it does of Boris who clearly didn't.Jonathan said:It’s remarkable that it’s remarkable the the British PM would do anything other than endorse the president elect. I am glad he did. But what have we become where it’s in doubt for a second?
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What do we reckon Biden's approval ratings will be when he starts his term ?
55% ?1 -
No, but this wasn't a choice between a sensible decision and a non-sensible one, it wasn't even a choice, it was rolling out standard diplomatic messaging and for his incompetence Boris is not that stupid. People have just pretended he might have done otherwise because they dislike him, the only suggestion why he might do otherwise being an affinity for Trump, when it clearly wasn't personal affinity as he's on camera saying mean things about Trump, and he could be the most politically aligned to Trump in the world and would still have congratulated who ever won the election.Mapreader said:
You are in awe of his lifetime track record of sensible decisions?kle4 said:
It wasn't in doubt even for a second. He did it within an hour of US media networks calling it in similar timeframes as other democratic leaders. People are pretending it was in doubt because the want to believe he wouldn't have done it, even though nothing suggests he would have done otherwise.Jonathan said:It’s remarkable that it’s remarkable the the British PM would do anything other than endorse the president elect. I am glad he did. But what have we become where it’s in doubt for a second?
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One wonders if the pressure will bear fruit eventually, but fair play to him so far on waiting for evidence before acting on mere allegation.MrEd said:
To be fair to Raffensperger, he has resisted a lot more than I thought he might.kle4 said:
Dispiriting stuff. It doesn't take long to review allegations, even serious allegations, if evidence is not presented to substantiate them. Given statistically it's unlikely all 8 are idiots, they must know that.Alistair said:The election I was just elected in was fraudulent.
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Whilst Trump and his cohorts have taken it waaay further, in fairness I believe a poll linked to earlier about Republicans not trusting the election was fair had shown Democrats reduced belief in fair elections when they lose, just not to the same level. But not all things flawed are equally so of course.0
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Sounds like optimum solution will be a helmet disguised in the form of a female wig. One for dragons den.Andy_JS said:O/T
This is absolutely true in my experience. I stopped wearing a helmet a few years ago for this reason.
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Trump has just sacked 3 key people from the Pentagon including policy head and intelligence head you may not like the guy but he's going all in now0
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Exactly. Less of this "to be fair to ... bla bla" and "welcome to PB new Trumpian drivel monger". This stuff needs to be stomped on.OllyT said:
I doubt they do believe it.kle4 said:
What I find more incredible is the various online defenders who genuine seem to believe that a Republican claiming something happened is itself proof that there's something dodgy going on which raises interesting questions.Mysticrose said:
The Republican Party has gone stark, raving, bonkers. Utterly nuts.
It'd be like a religious person trying to prove a miracle by pointing to it being referenced in their holy book.
What we need to realise is that spreading lies and misinformation is a deliberate strategy of Trump fans and people need to wake up and call it out when they see it.
If it goes unchallenged you end up like the US with millions believing in QAnon-type bollox. That is why belatedly social media in America have woken up to that fact that they have to now label the President's tweets as untrue.
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Never seemed very plausible. There was an argument around May doing the same thing, yet she still clung on for months with no control and only stepped aside for the next phase, as it were, when there was no other choice. Boris also promised Brexit was done, albeit the impact hasn't hit as we're not out of transition, so even in the new year the things he said he would do are not done, and who is going to challenge his control? Sure, the party may well find itself very unpopular, but that happens and perhaps at least the MPs will find a spine. I guess disastrous locals and an SNP landslide may have more impact?Stuartinromford said:
More importantly, this isn't the act of a PM who is planning to step down early in the New Year, Brexit done and Covid conquered.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Boris's Chief of Staff. The Americanisation of British Politics continues. The West Wing has a lot to answer for; Boris is appointing his own Leo to go with his own CJ.FrancisUrquhart said:No10 head of press and former Vote Leave official Lee Cain is in talks to become Boris Johnson's chief of staff
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Don't be facetious. It irritates.MrEd said:
Ah, I always knew you were a fascist at heart. Always there to judge, always there to preach.kinabalu said:
Ardent supporter, I think, to be 100% fair. As to whether his attachment to Trump is greater than his attachment to democracy, we will soon find out.Anabobazina said:rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1326255347447771136
When is BF going to pay up?
In all fairness to @MrEd, he freely admits he is/was* a Trump supporter.kinabalu said:
You are a poundland @MrEd. He's a Trump freak too but he masks it a whole lot better. You were obvious from your first post.peter505 said:kinabalu i am surprised you are 82 i had you pegged as a millenial however just a thought that at your age you are perhaps slightly removed from things going on in the world today the world has changed a great deal even in the last 20 years you strike me as having a naive boomer 60s type mentality which is fair enough but not relevant to the world today
See how acute my sense of smell is even at such a ripe old age?
*I believe rather less so now since he has witnessed his embarrassing refusal to concede.
This is the courtroom. His posts are the evidence. And we are the jury. I will be the foreman.
From now on, you shall be called the Trumpfinder-General of PB
You were born in the wrong century. You would have been fantastic in 16th Century Geneva as a Calvinist or 17th Century New England in Salem.0 -
Thinking of this in terms of incipient coup or even global strategy is way off base.peter505 said:Trump has just sacked 3 key people from the Pentagon including policy head and intelligence head you may not like the guy but he's going all in now
Trumpsky is simply firing more people, like he likes to do, if you haven't noticed. Upper echelon of his "government" has been perpetual musical chairs for four years. Why should he stop now?
Keep in mind that "You're fired" is the phrase that made him a TV star, and (eventually) won him (for one wretched term) the White House.2 -
Is that posher than Lambrini?Malmesbury said:
You had a BBC.... Luuuuuuuuuuxury........ we was so poor we couldn't afford the "1"s in binary numbers....Beibheirli_C said:
My first computer was a ZX81. After 6 weeks I part-exchanged it for a BBC Model BMalmesbury said:
I've been in IT since the ZX-81Beibheirli_C said:
No. I made a living out of doing the IT side of this sort of thing for years. It just requires attention to detail and a simple understanding that computers are not the sort of thing you see in Hollywood or CSI where pressing CTRL-X deletes the alien invasion fleet or removes all data forever because there are no such things as backups.Malmesbury said:
Story of government & politics in general.kle4 said:
Well I don't know. Certainly the operation is usually a complete shambles, but you'd think finding IT literate people could still occur. I don't know why even very basic presentation stuff seems so hard for parties sometimes. Of the 2019 GE manifestos only the Green Party's properly hyperlinked the document for ease of use when first releasedTheuniondivvie said:
All-too-believably incompetent comms from No 10, I think.Mexicanpete said:
Unbelievably incompetent comms from No 10.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Poor comms at no 10 but it does not alter the importance of Boris endorsing Joe Biden in a personal phone call which will aid Biden and add to Trump's dark angerMexicanpete said:
Did you see the nice greeting Johnson sent to Trump, err, I mean Biden?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I believe the call between Boris and Joe Biden was mutually beneficial and in Joe Biden's case Boris rejection of Trump must please him more than from must any other leader due to Boris previously attitude to TrumpCarnyx said:
Especiallyt if he wanted to cut the risk of any Irish border nonsense - remember the Act is going through Pmt at the moment.glw said:
I don't suppose it really means anything, somebody has to be first, and somebody else last. For all we know Biden simply wanted to get the call with Boris over with as soon as possible.rcs1000 said:
I think it's great we got the fist call.glw said:
It's funny how the order in which Biden called European leaders really mattered right up until the point he called Boris first, and now it doesn't matter at all. If I was feeling particularly petty I could go back through the posts today and name and shame, mostly remainers I expect.FrancisUrquhart said:
Now if it had been Macron then Boris, some journalists would he banging on about it for weeks, months, years...HYUFD said:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind if we were thirty-second, so long as we were ahead of France.
The cabinet room in No 10 has less functionality as a meeting space than it did during WWI, for example...
Government & politics in general has been uniformly incompetent in IT throughout that period. Many people I have encountered in the area seem to take a joy in being IT illiterate. Printing emails, the works...
The "Proud to be IT illiterate" brigade are merely a subset of the "Proud to be innumerate" brigade who happily boast that science and maths are beyond understanding.
Who'd a thought thirty years ago we'd all be sittin' here drinking Chateau de Chassilier wine?
Not only could I afford the 1's, I was allowed the zeros too. When they brought out the 80 track, double sided, double density disk drive I snapped that up too.
Top stuff, but at least I never compromised my integrity and purity of spirit by buying an Apple a Spectrum.0 -
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Thanks @Anabobazina. Re Trump, I think he has a right to contest the vote if he thinks fit and can produce genuine evidence (and I had the same opinion with HRC) but he certainly has no right to try and steal an election.Anabobazina said:rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1326255347447771136
When is BF going to pay up?
In all fairness to @MrEd, he freely admits he is/was* a Trump supporter.kinabalu said:
You are a poundland @MrEd. He's a Trump freak too but he masks it a whole lot better. You were obvious from your first post.peter505 said:kinabalu i am surprised you are 82 i had you pegged as a millenial however just a thought that at your age you are perhaps slightly removed from things going on in the world today the world has changed a great deal even in the last 20 years you strike me as having a naive boomer 60s type mentality which is fair enough but not relevant to the world today
See how acute my sense of smell is even at such a ripe old age?
*I believe rather less so now since he has witnessed his embarrassing refusal to concede.
Re whether I would vote for him now: I'd hold off. He hasn't done anything yet to overstep the bounds - a lot of bluster, a lot of lawsuits but nothing unconstitutional. The moment he does, that is it.0 -
If you put up posts like you did, they are either in jest, in which case so are mine, or you are being serious, in which case that sort of behaviour needs to be called out.kinabalu said:
Don't be facetious. It irritates.MrEd said:
Ah, I always knew you were a fascist at heart. Always there to judge, always there to preach.kinabalu said:
Ardent supporter, I think, to be 100% fair. As to whether his attachment to Trump is greater than his attachment to democracy, we will soon find out.Anabobazina said:rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1326255347447771136
When is BF going to pay up?
In all fairness to @MrEd, he freely admits he is/was* a Trump supporter.kinabalu said:
You are a poundland @MrEd. He's a Trump freak too but he masks it a whole lot better. You were obvious from your first post.peter505 said:kinabalu i am surprised you are 82 i had you pegged as a millenial however just a thought that at your age you are perhaps slightly removed from things going on in the world today the world has changed a great deal even in the last 20 years you strike me as having a naive boomer 60s type mentality which is fair enough but not relevant to the world today
See how acute my sense of smell is even at such a ripe old age?
*I believe rather less so now since he has witnessed his embarrassing refusal to concede.
This is the courtroom. His posts are the evidence. And we are the jury. I will be the foreman.
From now on, you shall be called the Trumpfinder-General of PB
You were born in the wrong century. You would have been fantastic in 16th Century Geneva as a Calvinist or 17th Century New England in Salem.0
