Perhaps he identifies as black, and not yet completed transition.
Perhaps he pays someone to do his tweets and the person (who could be a black person) got carried away and forgot which account they were tweeting under.
He later claimed he was sharing a message a constituent sent him some time ago.
Trump has just sacked 3 key people from the Pentagon including policy head and intelligence head you may not like the guy but he's going all in now
You say that as though even if he's disliked we should be impressed somehow. I hardly find him sacking 3 people who most likely believe in democracy to replace them with 3 fawning toadies is much to admire.
When they do these world leader phone calls, why don't they use Zoom or whatever? Perhaps they all have an unspoken agreement not to use video technology so they cannot see each other frantically looking at briefing notes handed to them by a desperate aide.
kinabalu i am surprised you are 82 i had you pegged as a millenial however just a thought that at your age you are perhaps slightly removed from things going on in the world today the world has changed a great deal even in the last 20 years you strike me as having a naive boomer 60s type mentality which is fair enough but not relevant to the world today
You are a poundland @MrEd. He's a Trump freak too but he masks it a whole lot better. You were obvious from your first post.
See how acute my sense of smell is even at such a ripe old age?
In all fairness to @MrEd, he freely admits he is/was* a Trump supporter.
*I believe rather less so now since he has witnessed his embarrassing refusal to concede.
Thanks @Anabobazina. Re Trump, I think he has a right to contest the vote if he thinks fit and can produce genuine evidence (and I had the same opinion with HRC) but he certainly has no right to try and steal an election.
Re whether I would vote for him now: I'd hold off. He hasn't done anything yet to overstep the bounds - a lot of bluster, a lot of lawsuits but nothing unconstitutional. The moment he does, that is it.
?????
Then list what he has done. Not what you think he will do, or you are attributing to him. From what I have seen, he has filed a number of mainly embarrassing lawsuits, endless tweets and playing golf.
He is contesting the election result. He has the right to do that. HRC was still considering that in late Nov 2016 and her closest advisors were pushing her to go down that route claiming that the election had been stolen. I didn't hear many on here complaining about stealing the election or threats to democracy then.
Perhaps he identifies as black, and not yet completed transition.
Perhaps he pays someone to do his tweets and the person (who could be a black person) got carried away and forgot which account they were tweeting under.
He later claimed he was sharing a message a constituent sent him some time ago.
That seems a reasonable enough explanation
I still reckon it was intended for a sock-puppet account, and he didn't realize he was logged into his own.
The Republican Party has gone stark, raving, bonkers. Utterly nuts.
What I find more incredible is the various online defenders who genuine seem to believe that a Republican claiming something happened is itself proof that there's something dodgy going on which raises interesting questions.
It'd be like a religious person trying to prove a miracle by pointing to it being referenced in their holy book.
I doubt they do believe it.
What we need to realise is that spreading lies and misinformation is a deliberate strategy of Trump fans and people need to wake up and call it out when they see it.
If it goes unchallenged you end up like the US with millions believing in QAnon-type bollox.
But then millions believed after the 2016 election that Russia stole it and they put "their" man in the White House.
And it was exactly the same policy of spreading disinformation and exaggerating claims about Russian interference in the process.
The same people who are screaming about electoral integrity in 2020 were the same ones screaming about Russian interference in 2016.
Whilst one can debate the impact there is substantial evidence of Russian interference in 2016. Leaving that aside did prominent Democrats refuse to accept Trump had won? Did Clinton urge her supporters out onto the streets claiming the election had been stolen?
There is no evidence to support the stuff the QAnon Trumtons are spreading across social media.
There is no equivalence whatsoever between what happened in 2016 and what is happening now.
It has come to a sorry state when Facebook and Twitter have to resort to flagging tweets from the President of America as untrue.
Very similar to the way Republicans in Washington State attacked the elected Republican WA Secretary of State during the 2004 hotly contested governor's race, which was NOT decided until after two recounts AND a court contest.
Back then, the GOP attacked Sam Reed, the GOP SOS, for doing his job. One one hand they wanted to put pressure on him, but also (and more importantly) they wanted to a) rally the Republican faithful; and b) demonstrate to said faithful (esp. the radical fringe) that they were NOT themselves "RHINOS" = Republicans in Name Only.
Methinks many PBers simply do NOT understand that being "reasonable" let alone "fair" is a good way for moderates to make themselves objects of present hate and future attack by the more ardent within their party ranks.
Because Brits are ALWAYS so fair & reasonable, as well as cool, calm and collected.?
Trump has just sacked 3 key people from the Pentagon including policy head and intelligence head you may not like the guy but he's going all in now
You say that as though even if he's disliked we should be impressed somehow. I hardly find him sacking 3 people who most likely believe in democracy to replace them with 3 fawning toadies is much to admire.
I recognise his astounding self confidence and the remarkable boldness it leads him to, but still find it utterly despicable, personally. Though I don't object in principle to the idea even a very bad man could have some admirable qualities, albeit not outweighing the bad qualities.
kinabalu i am surprised you are 82 i had you pegged as a millenial however just a thought that at your age you are perhaps slightly removed from things going on in the world today the world has changed a great deal even in the last 20 years you strike me as having a naive boomer 60s type mentality which is fair enough but not relevant to the world today
You are a poundland @MrEd. He's a Trump freak too but he masks it a whole lot better. You were obvious from your first post.
See how acute my sense of smell is even at such a ripe old age?
And there was me thinking we were getting on so well.
Still, at least I have been elevated. M&S? Debenhams? Harrods?
I'm seeing you in the Cotton Traders space. Looks ok until it you unwrap it and examine properly.
There is something a bit odd about having conversations with people when you don't know how old they are, because in real life you wouldn't talk to someone 30 years older than you the same way you'd talk to someone significantly younger than you.
That sounds about right to me, Trump got 70 million votes , but I'd say half of those are most likely americans who put democracy before Trumpism. But the fact remains that probably 30 or 40 million would follow Trump into civil war if he told them too. As for the GOP, they know the numbers he pulls in so most will be willing accomplices to his actions. My hope is that the Dems win both the GA senate seats (poss but unlikley) and VP Harris ends up with the casting vote.
It’s remarkable that it’s remarkable the the British PM would do anything other than endorse the president elect. I am glad he did. But what have we become where it’s in doubt for a second?
It was never in doubt though. You're projecting what you want to see from Boris onto him. He very clearly congratulated Biden as soon as the US networks made the call and then made the official phone call as it was scheduled by the Biden team. Only in the heads of the 13% was it ever in doubt that Boris wouldn't endorse Biden, it says more about you that you thought that than it does of Boris who clearly didn't.
Yes, I hold no candle for Boris but some people really get high on their own supply about him.
It must really eat away at them that Boris was the first European leader to get the call and that it wasn't Merkel or some unelected Eurocrat.
Of course Boris wasn't going to not endorse the POTUS, he wouldn't dare. But the theory that Biden thinks him to be something other than a POS is for the birds. This wasn't a reward or a sign of preferment, it was putting Boris on the spot and simultaneously signalling to Trump: your bitch is now my bitch.
kinabalu i am surprised you are 82 i had you pegged as a millenial however just a thought that at your age you are perhaps slightly removed from things going on in the world today the world has changed a great deal even in the last 20 years you strike me as having a naive boomer 60s type mentality which is fair enough but not relevant to the world today
You are a poundland @MrEd. He's a Trump freak too but he masks it a whole lot better. You were obvious from your first post.
See how acute my sense of smell is even at such a ripe old age?
In all fairness to @MrEd, he freely admits he is/was* a Trump supporter.
*I believe rather less so now since he has witnessed his embarrassing refusal to concede.
Thanks @Anabobazina. Re Trump, I think he has a right to contest the vote if he thinks fit and can produce genuine evidence (and I had the same opinion with HRC) but he certainly has no right to try and steal an election.
Re whether I would vote for him now: I'd hold off. He hasn't done anything yet to overstep the bounds - a lot of bluster, a lot of lawsuits but nothing unconstitutional. The moment he does, that is it.
?????
Then list what he has done. Not what you think he will do, or you are attributing to him. From what I have seen, he has filed a number of mainly embarrassing lawsuits, endless tweets and playing golf.
He is contesting the election result. He has the right to do that. HRC was still considering that in late Nov 2016 and her closest advisors were pushing her to go down that route claiming that the election had been stolen. I didn't hear many on here complaining about stealing the election or threats to democracy then.
Well you've highlighted the difference - she didn't do it.
And there is also a big difference between someone contesting an election result where there are genuine irregularities - that's why the right to challenge is there - and launching a great many spurious challenges without supporting evidence, thus undermining democracy without reasonable foundation. In other legal fields it's one reason many states have laws designed to prevent the launching of spurious lawsuits designed to frustrate and intimidate other people, as people have the right to sue, but it should not be abused.
If Trump has some cases which are evidentially strong such as to challenge the result, I do have to question why he and his supporters have launched so many other cases so meritless they were tossed out so easily, thus making it look like a tactic to frustrate and sow discord rather than genuine contesting due to identified concerns.
You don't make a strong case by including a bunch of weak ones alongside it.
Trump has just sacked 3 key people from the Pentagon including policy head and intelligence head you may not like the guy but he's going all in now
Thinking of this in terms of incipient coup or even global strategy is way off base.
Trumpsky is simply firing more people, like he likes to do, if you haven't noticed. Upper echelon of his "government" has been perpetual musical chairs for four years. Why should he stop now?
Keep in mind that "You're fired" is the phrase that made him a TV star, and (eventually) won him (for one wretched term) the White House.
There is something a bit odd about having conversations with people when you don't know how old they are, because in real life you wouldn't talk to someone 30 years older than you the same way you'd talk to someone significantly younger than you.
True enough, though once you get past 25 I don't think it becomes that much more difficult with the difference unless specific generational topics come up, like videogames or those softcore porn films they used to show on Channel 5.
A lot of people on PB are younger than I would imagine though.
There is something a bit odd about having conversations with people when you don't know how old they are, because in real life you wouldn't talk to someone 30 years older than you the same way you'd talk to someone significantly younger than you.
There is something a bit odd about having conversations with people when you don't know how old they are, because in real life you wouldn't talk to someone 30 years older than you the same way you'd talk to someone significantly younger than you.
True enough, though once you get past 25 I don't think it becomes that much more difficult with the difference unless specific generational topics come up, like videogames or those softcore porn films they used to show on Channel 5.
A lot of people on PB are younger than I would imagine though.
What age am I? It should be easy enough, because I have mentioned it many times
kinabalu i am surprised you are 82 i had you pegged as a millenial however just a thought that at your age you are perhaps slightly removed from things going on in the world today the world has changed a great deal even in the last 20 years you strike me as having a naive boomer 60s type mentality which is fair enough but not relevant to the world today
You are a poundland @MrEd. He's a Trump freak too but he masks it a whole lot better. You were obvious from your first post.
See how acute my sense of smell is even at such a ripe old age?
In all fairness to @MrEd, he freely admits he is/was* a Trump supporter.
*I believe rather less so now since he has witnessed his embarrassing refusal to concede.
Thanks @Anabobazina. Re Trump, I think he has a right to contest the vote if he thinks fit and can produce genuine evidence (and I had the same opinion with HRC) but he certainly has no right to try and steal an election.
Re whether I would vote for him now: I'd hold off. He hasn't done anything yet to overstep the bounds - a lot of bluster, a lot of lawsuits but nothing unconstitutional. The moment he does, that is it.
?????
Then list what he has done. Not what you think he will do, or you are attributing to him. From what I have seen, he has filed a number of mainly embarrassing lawsuits, endless tweets and playing golf.
He is contesting the election result. He has the right to do that. HRC was still considering that in late Nov 2016 and her closest advisors were pushing her to go down that route claiming that the election had been stolen. I didn't hear many on here complaining about stealing the election or threats to democracy then.
Clinton took 24 hours to get her shit together and then conceded. Trump is denying the election and is instead seeding unrest and distrust in the democratic system. And he's doing it purely out of malice and personal self-interest.
If you aren't too fussed about this, you need to work on being a better human being.
Yes I think trumps got a hard core of 30 to 40 million the rest just voted him as the lesser of the evils what attracts these people to trump is he has balls of steel so many politicians are to put it politely cowardly whereas trump takes risks rather than opt for a quiet life
There is something a bit odd about having conversations with people when you don't know how old they are, because in real life you wouldn't talk to someone 30 years older than you the same way you'd talk to someone significantly younger than you.
True enough, though once you get past 25 I don't think it becomes that much more difficult with the difference unless specific generational topics come up, like videogames or those softcore porn films they used to show on Channel 5.
A lot of people on PB are younger than I would imagine though.
There is something a bit odd about having conversations with people when you don't know how old they are, because in real life you wouldn't talk to someone 30 years older than you the same way you'd talk to someone significantly younger than you.
True enough, though once you get past 25 I don't think it becomes that much more difficult with the difference unless specific generational topics come up, like videogames or those softcore porn films they used to show on Channel 5.
A lot of people on PB are younger than I would imagine though.
What age am I? It should be easy enough, because I have mentioned it many times
I will put you down as 45
Oh gods, you've put me on the spot now. Er, 51? I'm dead, aren't I?
There is something a bit odd about having conversations with people when you don't know how old they are, because in real life you wouldn't talk to someone 30 years older than you the same way you'd talk to someone significantly younger than you.
True enough, though once you get past 25 I don't think it becomes that much more difficult with the difference unless specific generational topics come up, like videogames or those softcore porn films they used to show on Channel 5.
A lot of people on PB are younger than I would imagine though.
It’s remarkable that it’s remarkable the the British PM would do anything other than endorse the president elect. I am glad he did. But what have we become where it’s in doubt for a second?
It was never in doubt though. You're projecting what you want to see from Boris onto him. He very clearly congratulated Biden as soon as the US networks made the call and then made the official phone call as it was scheduled by the Biden team. Only in the heads of the 13% was it ever in doubt that Boris wouldn't endorse Biden, it says more about you that you thought that than it does of Boris who clearly didn't.
Yes, I hold no candle for Boris but some people really get high on their own supply about him.
It must really eat away at them that Boris was the first European leader to get the call and that it wasn't Merkel or some unelected Eurocrat.
Of course Boris wasn't going to not endorse the POTUS, he wouldn't dare. But the theory that Biden thinks him to be something other than a POS is for the birds. This wasn't a reward or a sign of preferment, it was putting Boris on the spot and simultaneously signalling to Trump: your bitch is now my bitch.
I think it is much simpler than that. In the words of the old saying "Countries do not have friends. They only have interests". Regardless of what Biden thinks of Johnson, it is in America's interest to maintain good links with the UK, so Biden made the phone call that American Interests dictated.
kinabalu i am surprised you are 82 i had you pegged as a millenial however just a thought that at your age you are perhaps slightly removed from things going on in the world today the world has changed a great deal even in the last 20 years you strike me as having a naive boomer 60s type mentality which is fair enough but not relevant to the world today
You are a poundland @MrEd. He's a Trump freak too but he masks it a whole lot better. You were obvious from your first post.
See how acute my sense of smell is even at such a ripe old age?
In all fairness to @MrEd, he freely admits he is/was* a Trump supporter.
*I believe rather less so now since he has witnessed his embarrassing refusal to concede.
Ardent supporter, I think, to be 100% fair. As to whether his attachment to Trump is greater than his attachment to democracy, we will soon find out.
This is the courtroom. His posts are the evidence. And we are the jury. I will be the foreman.
Ah, I always knew you were a fascist at heart. Always there to judge, always there to preach.
From now on, you shall be called the Trumpfinder-General of PB
You were born in the wrong century. You would have been fantastic in 16th Century Geneva as a Calvinist or 17th Century New England in Salem.
Don't be facetious. It irritates.
If you put up posts like you did, they are either in jest, in which case so are mine, or you are being serious, in which case that sort of behaviour needs to be called out.
Donald Trump apologists don't get to "call out" things, I'm afraid.
There is something a bit odd about having conversations with people when you don't know how old they are, because in real life you wouldn't talk to someone 30 years older than you the same way you'd talk to someone significantly younger than you.
True enough, though once you get past 25 I don't think it becomes that much more difficult with the difference unless specific generational topics come up, like videogames or those softcore porn films they used to show on Channel 5.
A lot of people on PB are younger than I would imagine though.
What age am I? It should be easy enough, because I have mentioned it many times
Yes I think trumps got a hard core of 30 to 40 million the rest just voted him as the lesser of the evils what attracts these people to trump is he has balls of steel so many politicians are to put it politely cowardly whereas trump takes risks rather than opt for a quiet life
It’s remarkable that it’s remarkable the the British PM would do anything other than endorse the president elect. I am glad he did. But what have we become where it’s in doubt for a second?
It was never in doubt though. You're projecting what you want to see from Boris onto him. He very clearly congratulated Biden as soon as the US networks made the call and then made the official phone call as it was scheduled by the Biden team. Only in the heads of the 13% was it ever in doubt that Boris wouldn't endorse Biden, it says more about you that you thought that than it does of Boris who clearly didn't.
Yes, I hold no candle for Boris but some people really get high on their own supply about him.
It must really eat away at them that Boris was the first European leader to get the call and that it wasn't Merkel or some unelected Eurocrat.
Of course Boris wasn't going to not endorse the POTUS, he wouldn't dare. But the theory that Biden thinks him to be something other than a POS is for the birds. This wasn't a reward or a sign of preferment, it was putting Boris on the spot and simultaneously signalling to Trump: your bitch is now my bitch.
I think it is much simpler than that. In the words of the old saying "Countries do not have friends. They only have interests". Regardless of what Biden thinks of Johnson, it is in America's interest to maintain good links with the UK, so Biden made the phone call that American Interests dictated.
Agreed. I was talking about the being first in line - it was never in doubt the call would be made.
There is something a bit odd about having conversations with people when you don't know how old they are, because in real life you wouldn't talk to someone 30 years older than you the same way you'd talk to someone significantly younger than you.
True enough, though once you get past 25 I don't think it becomes that much more difficult with the difference unless specific generational topics come up, like videogames or those softcore porn films they used to show on Channel 5.
A lot of people on PB are younger than I would imagine though.
What age am I? It should be easy enough, because I have mentioned it many times
Now if it had been Macron then Boris, some journalists would he banging on about it for weeks, months, years...
It's funny how the order in which Biden called European leaders really mattered right up until the point he called Boris first, and now it doesn't matter at all. If I was feeling particularly petty I could go back through the posts today and name and shame, mostly remainers I expect.
I think it's great we got the fist call.
To be honest, I wouldn't mind if we were thirty-second, so long as we were ahead of France.
I don't suppose it really means anything, somebody has to be first, and somebody else last. For all we know Biden simply wanted to get the call with Boris over with as soon as possible.
Especiallyt if he wanted to cut the risk of any Irish border nonsense - remember the Act is going through Pmt at the moment.
I believe the call between Boris and Joe Biden was mutually beneficial and in Joe Biden's case Boris rejection of Trump must please him more than from must any other leader due to Boris previously attitude to Trump
Did you see the nice greeting Johnson sent to Trump, err, I mean Biden?
Poor comms at no 10 but it does not alter the importance of Boris endorsing Joe Biden in a personal phone call which will aid Biden and add to Trump's dark anger
Unbelievably incompetent comms from No 10.
All-too-believably incompetent comms from No 10, I think.
Well I don't know. Certainly the operation is usually a complete shambles, but you'd think finding IT literate people could still occur. I don't know why even very basic presentation stuff seems so hard for parties sometimes. Of the 2019 GE manifestos only the Green Party's properly hyperlinked the document for ease of use when first released
Story of government & politics in general.
The cabinet room in No 10 has less functionality as a meeting space than it did during WWI, for example...
No. I made a living out of doing the IT side of this sort of thing for years. It just requires attention to detail and a simple understanding that computers are not the sort of thing you see in Hollywood or CSI where pressing CTRL-X deletes the alien invasion fleet or removes all data forever because there are no such things as backups.
I've been in IT since the ZX-81
Government & politics in general has been uniformly incompetent in IT throughout that period. Many people I have encountered in the area seem to take a joy in being IT illiterate. Printing emails, the works...
My first computer was a ZX81. After 6 weeks I part-exchanged it for a BBC Model B
The "Proud to be IT illiterate" brigade are merely a subset of the "Proud to be innumerate" brigade who happily boast that science and maths are beyond understanding.
You had a BBC.... Luuuuuuuuuuxury........ we was so poor we couldn't afford the "1"s in binary numbers....
Who'd a thought thirty years ago we'd all be sittin' here drinking Chateau de Chassilier wine?
Is that posher than Lambrini?
Not only could I afford the 1's, I was allowed the zeros too. When they brought out the 80 track, double sided, double density disk drive I snapped that up too.
Top stuff, but at least I never compromised my integrity and purity of spirit by buying an Apple a Spectrum.
There is something a bit odd about having conversations with people when you don't know how old they are, because in real life you wouldn't talk to someone 30 years older than you the same way you'd talk to someone significantly younger than you.
True enough, though once you get past 25 I don't think it becomes that much more difficult with the difference unless specific generational topics come up, like videogames or those softcore porn films they used to show on Channel 5.
A lot of people on PB are younger than I would imagine though.
There is something a bit odd about having conversations with people when you don't know how old they are, because in real life you wouldn't talk to someone 30 years older than you the same way you'd talk to someone significantly younger than you.
True enough, though once you get past 25 I don't think it becomes that much more difficult with the difference unless specific generational topics come up, like videogames or those softcore porn films they used to show on Channel 5.
A lot of people on PB are younger than I would imagine though.
What age am I? It should be easy enough, because I have mentioned it many times
I will put you down as 45
Oh gods, you've put me on the spot now. Er, 51? I'm dead, aren't.
There is something a bit odd about having conversations with people when you don't know how old they are, because in real life you wouldn't talk to someone 30 years older than you the same way you'd talk to someone significantly younger than you.
True enough, though once you get past 25 I don't think it becomes that much more difficult with the difference unless specific generational topics come up, like videogames or those softcore porn films they used to show on Channel 5.
A lot of people on PB are younger than I would imagine though.
What age am I? It should be easy enough, because I have mentioned it many times
Very similar to the way Republicans in Washington State attacked the elected Republican WA Secretary of State during the 2004 hotly contested governor's race, which was NOT decided until after two recounts AND a court contest.
Back then, the GOP attacked Sam Reed, the GOP SOS, for doing his job. One one hand they wanted to put pressure on him, but also (and more importantly) they wanted to a) rally the Republican faithful; and b) demonstrate to said faithful (esp. the radical fringe) that they were NOT themselves "RHINOS" = Republicans in Name Only.
Methinks many PBers simply do NOT understand that being "reasonable" let alone "fair" is a good way for moderates to make themselves objects of present hate and future attack by the more ardent within their party ranks.
Because Brits are ALWAYS so fair & reasonable, as well as cool, calm and collected.?
Trump has just sacked 3 key people from the Pentagon including policy head and intelligence head you may not like the guy but he's going all in now
Thinking of this in terms of incipient coup or even global strategy is way off base.
Trumpsky is simply firing more people, like he likes to do, if you haven't noticed. Upper echelon of his "government" has been perpetual musical chairs for four years. Why should he stop now?
Keep in mind that "You're fired" is the phrase that made him a TV star, and (eventually) won him (for one wretched term) the White House.
kinabalu i am surprised you are 82 i had you pegged as a millenial however just a thought that at your age you are perhaps slightly removed from things going on in the world today the world has changed a great deal even in the last 20 years you strike me as having a naive boomer 60s type mentality which is fair enough but not relevant to the world today
You are a poundland @MrEd. He's a Trump freak too but he masks it a whole lot better. You were obvious from your first post.
See how acute my sense of smell is even at such a ripe old age?
And there was me thinking we were getting on so well.
Still, at least I have been elevated. M&S? Debenhams? Harrods?
I'm seeing you in the Cotton Traders space. Looks ok until it you unwrap it and examine properly.
Hey. Fran Cotton is a friend of the family. He's 73 now but I wouldn't mess. Especially as you are 82.
Now if it had been Macron then Boris, some journalists would he banging on about it for weeks, months, years...
It's funny how the order in which Biden called European leaders really mattered right up until the point he called Boris first, and now it doesn't matter at all. If I was feeling particularly petty I could go back through the posts today and name and shame, mostly remainers I expect.
I think it's great we got the fist call.
To be honest, I wouldn't mind if we were thirty-second, so long as we were ahead of France.
I don't suppose it really means anything, somebody has to be first, and somebody else last. For all we know Biden simply wanted to get the call with Boris over with as soon as possible.
Especiallyt if he wanted to cut the risk of any Irish border nonsense - remember the Act is going through Pmt at the moment.
I believe the call between Boris and Joe Biden was mutually beneficial and in Joe Biden's case Boris rejection of Trump must please him more than from must any other leader due to Boris previously attitude to Trump
Did you see the nice greeting Johnson sent to Trump, err, I mean Biden?
Poor comms at no 10 but it does not alter the importance of Boris endorsing Joe Biden in a personal phone call which will aid Biden and add to Trump's dark anger
Unbelievably incompetent comms from No 10.
All-too-believably incompetent comms from No 10, I think.
Well I don't know. Certainly the operation is usually a complete shambles, but you'd think finding IT literate people could still occur. I don't know why even very basic presentation stuff seems so hard for parties sometimes. Of the 2019 GE manifestos only the Green Party's properly hyperlinked the document for ease of use when first released
Story of government & politics in general.
The cabinet room in No 10 has less functionality as a meeting space than it did during WWI, for example...
No. I made a living out of doing the IT side of this sort of thing for years. It just requires attention to detail and a simple understanding that computers are not the sort of thing you see in Hollywood or CSI where pressing CTRL-X deletes the alien invasion fleet or removes all data forever because there are no such things as backups.
I've been in IT since the ZX-81
Government & politics in general has been uniformly incompetent in IT throughout that period. Many people I have encountered in the area seem to take a joy in being IT illiterate. Printing emails, the works...
My first computer was a ZX81. After 6 weeks I part-exchanged it for a BBC Model B
The "Proud to be IT illiterate" brigade are merely a subset of the "Proud to be innumerate" brigade who happily boast that science and maths are beyond understanding.
You had a BBC.... Luuuuuuuuuuxury........ we was so poor we couldn't afford the "1"s in binary numbers....
Who'd a thought thirty years ago we'd all be sittin' here drinking Chateau de Chassilier wine?
Is that posher than Lambrini?
Not only could I afford the 1's, I was allowed the zeros too. When they brought out the 80 track, double sided, double density disk drive I snapped that up too.
Top stuff, but at least I never compromised my integrity and purity of spirit by buying an Apple a Spectrum.
Ahhhhh the days when floppies were.... floppy.
Made Elite on a BBC fed by 5.25" ....
You too?
I refurbed it a few years ago and replaced the dodgy capacitors on the motherboard that Acorn had installed. I dug out the old games, played Elite and defender and River Kingdom on it for a few weekend and then stuck the lot on Ebay...
It is funny how you remember the technology for being advanced at the time, but when you go back and re-use it you can see how primitive it is compared to technology today. The trips down Memory Lane can be ....... interesting!
There is something a bit odd about having conversations with people when you don't know how old they are, because in real life you wouldn't talk to someone 30 years older than you the same way you'd talk to someone significantly younger than you.
True enough, though once you get past 25 I don't think it becomes that much more difficult with the difference unless specific generational topics come up, like videogames or those softcore porn films they used to show on Channel 5.
A lot of people on PB are younger than I would imagine though.
Yes I think trumps got a hard core of 30 to 40 million the rest just voted him as the lesser of the evils what attracts these people to trump is he has balls of steel so many politicians are to put it politely cowardly whereas trump takes risks rather than opt for a quiet life
Covid Superspreader Risk Is Linked to Restaurants, Gyms, Hotels https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-10/covid-superspreader-risk-is-linked-to-restaurants-gyms-hotels ... In Chicago, for instance, the study’s model predicted that if restaurants were reopened at full capacity, they would generate almost 600,000 new infections, three times as many as with other categories. The study, published Tuesday in the journal Nature, also found that about 10% of the locations examined accounted for 85% of predicted infections....
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Yes I think trumps got a hard core of 30 to 40 million the rest just voted him as the lesser of the evils what attracts these people to trump is he has balls of steel so many politicians are to put it politely cowardly whereas trump takes risks rather than opt for a quiet life
kinabalu i am surprised you are 82 i had you pegged as a millenial however just a thought that at your age you are perhaps slightly removed from things going on in the world today the world has changed a great deal even in the last 20 years you strike me as having a naive boomer 60s type mentality which is fair enough but not relevant to the world today
You are a poundland @MrEd. He's a Trump freak too but he masks it a whole lot better. You were obvious from your first post.
See how acute my sense of smell is even at such a ripe old age?
And there was me thinking we were getting on so well.
Still, at least I have been elevated. M&S? Debenhams? Harrods?
I'm seeing you in the Cotton Traders space. Looks ok until it you unwrap it and examine properly.
Hey. Fran Cotton is a friend of the family. He's 73 now but I wouldn't mess. Especially as you are 82.
Ah then I apologize most profusely. In fact I've never ordered any Cottons gear so my comment was utterly without foundation.
Now if it had been Macron then Boris, some journalists would he banging on about it for weeks, months, years...
It's funny how the order in which Biden called European leaders really mattered right up until the point he called Boris first, and now it doesn't matter at all. If I was feeling particularly petty I could go back through the posts today and name and shame, mostly remainers I expect.
I think it's great we got the fist call.
To be honest, I wouldn't mind if we were thirty-second, so long as we were ahead of France.
I don't suppose it really means anything, somebody has to be first, and somebody else last. For all we know Biden simply wanted to get the call with Boris over with as soon as possible.
Especiallyt if he wanted to cut the risk of any Irish border nonsense - remember the Act is going through Pmt at the moment.
I believe the call between Boris and Joe Biden was mutually beneficial and in Joe Biden's case Boris rejection of Trump must please him more than from must any other leader due to Boris previously attitude to Trump
Did you see the nice greeting Johnson sent to Trump, err, I mean Biden?
Poor comms at no 10 but it does not alter the importance of Boris endorsing Joe Biden in a personal phone call which will aid Biden and add to Trump's dark anger
Unbelievably incompetent comms from No 10.
All-too-believably incompetent comms from No 10, I think.
Well I don't know. Certainly the operation is usually a complete shambles, but you'd think finding IT literate people could still occur. I don't know why even very basic presentation stuff seems so hard for parties sometimes. Of the 2019 GE manifestos only the Green Party's properly hyperlinked the document for ease of use when first released
Story of government & politics in general.
The cabinet room in No 10 has less functionality as a meeting space than it did during WWI, for example...
No. I made a living out of doing the IT side of this sort of thing for years. It just requires attention to detail and a simple understanding that computers are not the sort of thing you see in Hollywood or CSI where pressing CTRL-X deletes the alien invasion fleet or removes all data forever because there are no such things as backups.
I've been in IT since the ZX-81
Government & politics in general has been uniformly incompetent in IT throughout that period. Many people I have encountered in the area seem to take a joy in being IT illiterate. Printing emails, the works...
My first computer was a ZX81. After 6 weeks I part-exchanged it for a BBC Model B
The "Proud to be IT illiterate" brigade are merely a subset of the "Proud to be innumerate" brigade who happily boast that science and maths are beyond understanding.
You had a BBC.... Luuuuuuuuuuxury........ we was so poor we couldn't afford the "1"s in binary numbers....
Who'd a thought thirty years ago we'd all be sittin' here drinking Chateau de Chassilier wine?
Is that posher than Lambrini?
Not only could I afford the 1's, I was allowed the zeros too. When they brought out the 80 track, double sided, double density disk drive I snapped that up too.
Top stuff, but at least I never compromised my integrity and purity of spirit by buying an Apple a Spectrum.
Ahhhhh the days when floppies were.... floppy.
Made Elite on a BBC fed by 5.25" ....
You too?
I refurbed it a few years ago and replaced the dodgy capacitors on the motherboard that Acorn had installed. I dug out the old games, played Elite and defender and River Kingdom on it for a few weekend and then stuck the lot on Ebay...
It is funny how you remember the technology for being advanced at the time, but when you go back and re-use it you can see how primitive it is compared to technology today. The trips down Memory Lane can be ....... interesting!
It is a vile looking statue. And that is before any discussion of why a statue celebrating her has to be nude. Why did they not have nude Churchill statues or nude Nelson ones? Why does a woman have to have her kit off?
It is a vile looking statue. And that is before any discussion of why a statue celebrating her has to be nude. Why did they not have nude Churchill statues or nude Nelson ones? Why does a woman have to have her kit off?
It is a vile looking statue. And that is before any discussion of why a statue celebrating her has to be nude. Why did they not have nude Churchill statues or nude Nelson ones? Why does a woman have to have her kit off?
I mean FFS!
Sounds like a job for the Bristol statue toppling gang...
Now if it had been Macron then Boris, some journalists would he banging on about it for weeks, months, years...
It's funny how the order in which Biden called European leaders really mattered right up until the point he called Boris first, and now it doesn't matter at all. If I was feeling particularly petty I could go back through the posts today and name and shame, mostly remainers I expect.
I think it's great we got the fist call.
To be honest, I wouldn't mind if we were thirty-second, so long as we were ahead of France.
I don't suppose it really means anything, somebody has to be first, and somebody else last. For all we know Biden simply wanted to get the call with Boris over with as soon as possible.
Especiallyt if he wanted to cut the risk of any Irish border nonsense - remember the Act is going through Pmt at the moment.
I believe the call between Boris and Joe Biden was mutually beneficial and in Joe Biden's case Boris rejection of Trump must please him more than from must any other leader due to Boris previously attitude to Trump
Did you see the nice greeting Johnson sent to Trump, err, I mean Biden?
Poor comms at no 10 but it does not alter the importance of Boris endorsing Joe Biden in a personal phone call which will aid Biden and add to Trump's dark anger
Unbelievably incompetent comms from No 10.
All-too-believably incompetent comms from No 10, I think.
Well I don't know. Certainly the operation is usually a complete shambles, but you'd think finding IT literate people could still occur. I don't know why even very basic presentation stuff seems so hard for parties sometimes. Of the 2019 GE manifestos only the Green Party's properly hyperlinked the document for ease of use when first released
Story of government & politics in general.
The cabinet room in No 10 has less functionality as a meeting space than it did during WWI, for example...
No. I made a living out of doing the IT side of this sort of thing for years. It just requires attention to detail and a simple understanding that computers are not the sort of thing you see in Hollywood or CSI where pressing CTRL-X deletes the alien invasion fleet or removes all data forever because there are no such things as backups.
I've been in IT since the ZX-81
Government & politics in general has been uniformly incompetent in IT throughout that period. Many people I have encountered in the area seem to take a joy in being IT illiterate. Printing emails, the works...
My first computer was a ZX81. After 6 weeks I part-exchanged it for a BBC Model B
The "Proud to be IT illiterate" brigade are merely a subset of the "Proud to be innumerate" brigade who happily boast that science and maths are beyond understanding.
You had a BBC.... Luuuuuuuuuuxury........ we was so poor we couldn't afford the "1"s in binary numbers....
Who'd a thought thirty years ago we'd all be sittin' here drinking Chateau de Chassilier wine?
Is that posher than Lambrini?
Not only could I afford the 1's, I was allowed the zeros too. When they brought out the 80 track, double sided, double density disk drive I snapped that up too.
Top stuff, but at least I never compromised my integrity and purity of spirit by buying an Apple a Spectrum.
Ahhhhh the days when floppies were.... floppy.
Made Elite on a BBC fed by 5.25" ....
You too?
I refurbed it a few years ago and replaced the dodgy capacitors on the motherboard that Acorn had installed. I dug out the old games, played Elite and defender and River Kingdom on it for a few weekend and then stuck the lot on Ebay...
It is funny how you remember the technology for being advanced at the time, but when you go back and re-use it you can see how primitive it is compared to technology today. The trips down Memory Lane can be ....... interesting!
It is a vile looking statue. And that is before any discussion of why a statue celebrating her has to be nude. Why did they not have nude Churchill statues or nude Nelson ones? Why does a woman have to have her kit off?
I mean FFS!
To be honest, to me, the face doesn't look like the portraits. More a weird, de-humanised, "ideal" in the Soviet/Nazi style.
It is a vile looking statue. And that is before any discussion of why a statue celebrating her has to be nude. Why did they not have nude Churchill statues or nude Nelson ones? Why does a woman have to have her kit off?
I mean FFS!
Given the regular climbing up whenever there is a demo, a nude Churchill would merely provide an extra hand hold.
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Dispiriting stuff. It doesn't take long to review allegations, even serious allegations, if evidence is not presented to substantiate them. Given statistically it's unlikely all 8 are idiots, they must know that.
I always have a soft spot for people of any persuasion who prove impervious to improper pressure. Our council leader, an elderly, traditional former Conservative, left the party because they tried to tell him how to vote on a planning application, which is supposed to be non-partisan. He politely pointed this out, they tdeselected him, so he resigned, stood as an independent and won his ward by a landslide.Voters like to see a bit of backbone.
It is a vile looking statue. And that is before any discussion of why a statue celebrating her has to be nude. Why did they not have nude Churchill statues or nude Nelson ones? Why does a woman have to have her kit off?
I mean FFS!
Don't worry, it'll turn out she was heavily invested in the slave trade.
Chris Mullin MP regularly baited on TV some of the profession’s more pompous examples when fighting for the Birmingham 6. His diaries recount the comment of his fellow campaigner, Sir John Stokes MP, when asked what his fellow Tory-cum-lawyers thought of what he was doing: “Sh*ts, the lot of them.”
Am I reading that correctly ?
Was John Stokes, the former Halesowen MP, really a campaigner on behalf on the Birmingham Six ?
My bad. Sir John Farr. A very traditional old-fashioned Tory. Died before they were released. David Alton MP and Tory MP and Monday Club member Sir John Biggs-Davison also supported them.
Trump has just sacked 3 key people from the Pentagon including policy head and intelligence head you may not like the guy but he's going all in now
Imagine being impressed by someone like Trump. Someone loses an election and then takes it out on some innocent bystander. I wonder if you're that sort of person who kicks your dog when your football team loses.
It is a vile looking statue. And that is before any discussion of why a statue celebrating her has to be nude. Why did they not have nude Churchill statues or nude Nelson ones? Why does a woman have to have her kit off?
I mean FFS!
Given the regular climbing up whenever there is a demo, a nude Churchill would merely provide an extra hand hold.
This pretty well expresses my feelings about it. We’ll look back and think it silly to have worried about the ridiculous, absurd creature engineering a successful coup.
Bit right now I am not quite so confident.It’s extremely unlikely, but it’s not impossible.
Dispiriting stuff. It doesn't take long to review allegations, even serious allegations, if evidence is not presented to substantiate them. Given statistically it's unlikely all 8 are idiots, they must know that.
I always have a soft spot for people of any persuasion who prove impervious to improper pressure. Our council leader, an elderly, traditional former Conservative, left the party because they tried to tell him how to vote on a planning application, which is supposed to be non-partisan. He politely pointed this out, they tdeselected him, so he resigned, stood as an independent and won his ward by a landslide.Voters like to see a bit of backbone.
Very improper of them, and foolish - local elections being often around 33% turnout (can be higher, but I've seen lower than 20%) and given the size of wards, people can genuinely have a personal vote sufficient to win if you force their hand like that. Even if they don't win they can often cost you a seat by standing as Indy.
It is a vile looking statue. And that is before any discussion of why a statue celebrating her has to be nude. Why did they not have nude Churchill statues or nude Nelson ones? Why does a woman have to have her kit off?
I mean FFS!
At the risk of being labelled an elderly curmudgeon (I turn 54 next week, so maybe the cap fits) but it seems to me that as a culture we've lost the ability to make aesthetically pleasing sculpture. Coin design is another case. The recent US dollar, nickel and penny designs are awful. Even the UK's current "parts of the royal arms" set are only OK.
This pretty well expresses my feelings about it. We’ll look back and think it silly to have worried about the ridiculous, absurd creature engineering a successful coup.
Bit right now I am not quite so confident.It’s extremely unlikely, but it’s not impossible.
I think a lot of people need to go to jail over this or at least be barred from office. You cannot have politicians saying that they believe in disregarding the very procedures that put them in power. That sort of thing should be covered by "Being unfit for public office".
It is a vile looking statue. And that is before any discussion of why a statue celebrating her has to be nude. Why did they not have nude Churchill statues or nude Nelson ones? Why does a woman have to have her kit off?
I mean FFS!
At the risk of being labelled an elderly curmudgeon (I turn 54 next week, so maybe the cap fits) but it seems to me that as a culture we've lost the ability to make aesthetically pleasing sculpture. Coin design is another case. The recent US dollar, nickel and penny designs are awful. Even the UK's current "parts of the royal arms" set are only OK.
No comment. Except that you and I were born within days of each other. I salute my worldly wise senior. Have a great birthday.
It is a vile looking statue. And that is before any discussion of why a statue celebrating her has to be nude. Why did they not have nude Churchill statues or nude Nelson ones? Why does a woman have to have her kit off?
I mean FFS!
At the risk of being labelled an elderly curmudgeon (I turn 54 next week, so maybe the cap fits) but it seems to me that as a culture we've lost the ability to make aesthetically pleasing sculpture. Coin design is another case. The recent US dollar, nickel and penny designs are awful. Even the UK's current "parts of the royal arms" set are only OK.
No comment. Except that you and I were born within days of each other. I salute my worldly wise senior. Have a great birthday.
It is a vile looking statue. And that is before any discussion of why a statue celebrating her has to be nude. Why did they not have nude Churchill statues or nude Nelson ones? Why does a woman have to have her kit off?
I mean FFS!
At the risk of being labelled an elderly curmudgeon (I turn 54 next week, so maybe the cap fits) but it seems to me that as a culture we've lost the ability to make aesthetically pleasing sculpture. Coin design is another case. The recent US dollar, nickel and penny designs are awful. Even the UK's current "parts of the royal arms" set are only OK.
No comment. Except that you and I were born within days of each other. I salute my worldly wise senior. Have a great birthday.
Goodnight youngsters. Do not stay up too late (says the 56 year old with a birthday next month)
This pretty well expresses my feelings about it. We’ll look back and think it silly to have worried about the ridiculous, absurd creature engineering a successful coup.
Bit right now I am not quite so confident.It’s extremely unlikely, but it’s not impossible.
I think a lot of people need to go to jail over this or at least be barred from office. You cannot have politicians saying that they believe in disregarding the very procedures that put them in power. That sort of thing should be covered by "Being unfit for public office".
After the Trump tribe, Barr should be at the top of that list.
This pretty well expresses my feelings about it. We’ll look back and think it silly to have worried about the ridiculous, absurd creature engineering a successful coup.
Bit right now I am not quite so confident.It’s extremely unlikely, but it’s not impossible.
I think a lot of people need to go to jail over this or at least be barred from office. You cannot have politicians saying that they believe in disregarding the very procedures that put them in power. That sort of thing should be covered by "Being unfit for public office".
After the Trump tribe, Barr should be at the top of that list.
After today's performance, Pompeo's fat, corrupt face behind bars should also be a pretty high priority.
It’s remarkable that it’s remarkable the the British PM would do anything other than endorse the president elect. I am glad he did. But what have we become where it’s in doubt for a second?
It wasn't in doubt even for a second. He did it within an hour of US media networks calling it in similar timeframes as other democratic leaders. People are pretending it was in doubt because the want to believe he wouldn't have done it, even though nothing suggests he would have done otherwise.
You are in awe of his lifetime track record of sensible decisions?
No, but this wasn't a choice between a sensible decision and a non-sensible one, it wasn't even a choice, it was rolling out standard diplomatic messaging and for his incompetence Boris is not that stupid. People have just pretended he might have done otherwise because they dislike him, the only suggestion why he might do otherwise being an affinity for Trump, when it clearly wasn't personal affinity as he's on camera saying mean things about Trump, and he could be the most politically aligned to Trump in the world and would still have congratulated who ever won the election.
Biden apparently spoke to five leaders this afternoon French German Belgium Canadian and UK. Who announced in what order the phone calls were made?
It is a vile looking statue. And that is before any discussion of why a statue celebrating her has to be nude. Why did they not have nude Churchill statues or nude Nelson ones? Why does a woman have to have her kit off?
I mean FFS!
At the risk of being labelled an elderly curmudgeon (I turn 54 next week, so maybe the cap fits) but it seems to me that as a culture we've lost the ability to make aesthetically pleasing sculpture. Coin design is another case. The recent US dollar, nickel and penny designs are awful. Even the UK's current "parts of the royal arms" set are only OK.
No comment. Except that you and I were born within days of each other. I salute my worldly wise senior. Have a great birthday.
It’s remarkable that it’s remarkable the the British PM would do anything other than endorse the president elect. I am glad he did. But what have we become where it’s in doubt for a second?
It wasn't in doubt even for a second. He did it within an hour of US media networks calling it in similar timeframes as other democratic leaders. People are pretending it was in doubt because the want to believe he wouldn't have done it, even though nothing suggests he would have done otherwise.
You are in awe of his lifetime track record of sensible decisions?
No, but this wasn't a choice between a sensible decision and a non-sensible one, it wasn't even a choice, it was rolling out standard diplomatic messaging and for his incompetence Boris is not that stupid. People have just pretended he might have done otherwise because they dislike him, the only suggestion why he might do otherwise being an affinity for Trump, when it clearly wasn't personal affinity as he's on camera saying mean things about Trump, and he could be the most politically aligned to Trump in the world and would still have congratulated who ever won the election.
Biden apparently spoke to five leaders this afternoon French German Belgium Canadian and UK. Who announced in what order the phone calls were made?
Fake News.....Biden spoke to Justin Trudeau on Monday.
As for the order,
"Mr Biden called the PM ahead of the leaders of other major European countries."
Poor Mrs May got the cold shoulder treatment from Trump in 2016,
Theresa May was 10th in line when Trump was elected in November 2016, after Ireland, Turkey, India, Japan, Mexico, Egypt, Israel, Australia and South Korea.
The only reason it is even being mentioned is because some part of the media were making this huge play of oh well Biden hates Boris, so he will be back of the queue.
The reality is a decent POTUS will spend a day phoning all the major leaders. If you get first or second or third, is probably as much a function of who is free when as anything else.
It’s remarkable that it’s remarkable the the British PM would do anything other than endorse the president elect. I am glad he did. But what have we become where it’s in doubt for a second?
It wasn't in doubt even for a second. He did it within an hour of US media networks calling it in similar timeframes as other democratic leaders. People are pretending it was in doubt because the want to believe he wouldn't have done it, even though nothing suggests he would have done otherwise.
You are in awe of his lifetime track record of sensible decisions?
No, but this wasn't a choice between a sensible decision and a non-sensible one, it wasn't even a choice, it was rolling out standard diplomatic messaging and for his incompetence Boris is not that stupid. People have just pretended he might have done otherwise because they dislike him, the only suggestion why he might do otherwise being an affinity for Trump, when it clearly wasn't personal affinity as he's on camera saying mean things about Trump, and he could be the most politically aligned to Trump in the world and would still have congratulated who ever won the election.
Biden apparently spoke to five leaders this afternoon French German Belgium Canadian and UK. Who announced in what order the phone calls were made?
Fake News.....Biden spoke to Justin Trudeau on Monday.
First call to the Canadian is tradition. At least thus far. It might be the Grand Wizard or Combat 18 soon...
Do I get the feeling this is a Gen X board? Moan about Boomers and Millennials from a variety of viewpoints? Nowt wrong with that of course. Coz they're both wrong .
I wouldn't read anything into Boris being first ahead of Macron or Merkel. For all we know, given the state of COVID especially in France, god only knows what most world leaders diaries look like every day.
I think it would have only been a genuine issue if Biden had spent days talking to every other country under the sun before Boris. But if he got first, second, fifth, is here nor there. It was all stupid attempt by the media to find some sort of drama.
The main thing is Boris needs to show some leadership and try and build a relationship with Biden.
Do I get the feeling this is a Gen X board? Moan about Boomers and Millennials from a variety of viewpoints? Nowt wrong with that of course. Coz they're both wrong .
I definitely think the 1990s was the most sensible period of recent decades.
I wouldn't read anything into Boris being first ahead of Macron or Merkel. For all we know, given the state of COVID especially in France, god only knows what most world leaders diaries look like every day.
I think it would have only been a genuine issue if Biden had spent days talking to every other country under the sun before Boris. But if he got first, second, fifth, is here nor there. It was all stupid attempt by the media to find some sort of drama.
The main thing is Boris needs to show some leadership and try and build a relationship with Biden.
I notice that CNN.com had a member of Obama's staff reminding readers about Johnson's comments about BO being of Kenyan descent and this being a cause of his anti British-ness (at the time of the now infamous BREXIT intervention)....there's certainly work to be done......
Trump has just sacked 3 key people from the Pentagon including policy head and intelligence head you may not like the guy but he's going all in now
You say that as though even if he's disliked we should be impressed somehow. I hardly find him sacking 3 people who most likely believe in democracy to replace them with 3 fawning toadies is much to admire.
Pb.com should probably feel flattered that Trump propagandists are spending time on here
kinabalu i am surprised you are 82 i had you pegged as a millenial however just a thought that at your age you are perhaps slightly removed from things going on in the world today the world has changed a great deal even in the last 20 years you strike me as having a naive boomer 60s type mentality which is fair enough but not relevant to the world today
You are a poundland @MrEd. He's a Trump freak too but he masks it a whole lot better. You were obvious from your first post.
See how acute my sense of smell is even at such a ripe old age?
In all fairness to @MrEd, he freely admits he is/was* a Trump supporter.
*I believe rather less so now since he has witnessed his embarrassing refusal to concede.
Thanks @Anabobazina. Re Trump, I think he has a right to contest the vote if he thinks fit and can produce genuine evidence (and I had the same opinion with HRC) but he certainly has no right to try and steal an election.
Re whether I would vote for him now: I'd hold off. He hasn't done anything yet to overstep the bounds - a lot of bluster, a lot of lawsuits but nothing unconstitutional. The moment he does, that is it.
?????
Then list what he has done. Not what you think he will do, or you are attributing to him. From what I have seen, he has filed a number of mainly embarrassing lawsuits, endless tweets and playing golf.
He is contesting the election result. He has the right to do that. HRC was still considering that in late Nov 2016 and her closest advisors were pushing her to go down that route claiming that the election had been stolen. I didn't hear many on here complaining about stealing the election or threats to democracy then.
Ummm Clinton conceded. Or is that fake news too?
Not only that but racist bankrupt Trump spent years claiming Obama wasn't really American. Or were there "legitimate questions" about his birth certificate?
Given the pack of lies you spouted about the Michigan 2016 recount the other day it's pretty obvious you are just a Trump propagandist.
Perhaps he identifies as black, and not yet completed transition.
Perhaps he pays someone to do his tweets and the person (who could be a black person) got carried away and forgot which account they were tweeting under.
He later claimed he was sharing a message a constituent sent him some time ago.
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https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1326295388123492353?s=20
He is contesting the election result. He has the right to do that. HRC was still considering that in late Nov 2016 and her closest advisors were pushing her to go down that route claiming that the election had been stolen. I didn't hear many on here complaining about stealing the election or threats to democracy then.
http://www.drianwalker.com/overtaking/index.html
Here is one of those helmets coming to market in 2011.
And here's the 1960s version, with a Thatcher hairdo.
I think the gent is channelling The Italian Job.
There is no evidence to support the stuff the QAnon Trumtons are spreading across social media.
There is no equivalence whatsoever between what happened in 2016 and what is happening now.
It has come to a sorry state when Facebook and Twitter have to resort to flagging tweets from the President of America as untrue.
Back then, the GOP attacked Sam Reed, the GOP SOS, for doing his job. One one hand they wanted to put pressure on him, but also (and more importantly) they wanted to a) rally the Republican faithful; and b) demonstrate to said faithful (esp. the radical fringe) that they were NOT themselves "RHINOS" = Republicans in Name Only.
Methinks many PBers simply do NOT understand that being "reasonable" let alone "fair" is a good way for moderates to make themselves objects of present hate and future attack by the more ardent within their party ranks.
Because Brits are ALWAYS so fair & reasonable, as well as cool, calm and collected.?
And there is also a big difference between someone contesting an election result where there are genuine irregularities - that's why the right to challenge is there - and launching a great many spurious challenges without supporting evidence, thus undermining democracy without reasonable foundation. In other legal fields it's one reason many states have laws designed to prevent the launching of spurious lawsuits designed to frustrate and intimidate other people, as people have the right to sue, but it should not be abused.
If Trump has some cases which are evidentially strong such as to challenge the result, I do have to question why he and his supporters have launched so many other cases so meritless they were tossed out so easily, thus making it look like a tactic to frustrate and sow discord rather than genuine contesting due to identified concerns.
You don't make a strong case by including a bunch of weak ones alongside it.
A lot of people on PB are younger than I would imagine though.
I will put you down as 45
If you aren't too fussed about this, you need to work on being a better human being.
As it happens I'm 33. The Smithson dynasty is well preserved indeed.
Made Elite on a BBC fed by 5.25" ....
51? I like you
https://twitter.com/OversightDems/status/1326289047933816836
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip7GGf2_b6Y
BBC News - Mary Wollstonecraft statue: 'Mother of feminism' sculpture provokes backlash
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54886813
Especially as you are 82.
Arizona 14,213
Georgia 12,657
Nevada 36,726
NC 74,870
Penns 45,659
https://alex.github.io/nyt-2020-election-scraper/battleground-state-changes.html
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1326293134112919557?s=19
I refurbed it a few years ago and replaced the dodgy capacitors on the motherboard that Acorn had installed. I dug out the old games, played Elite and defender and River Kingdom on it for a few weekend and then stuck the lot on Ebay...
It is funny how you remember the technology for being advanced at the time, but when you go back and re-use it you can see how primitive it is compared to technology today. The trips down Memory Lane can be ....... interesting!
Mike is only 52.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-10/covid-superspreader-risk-is-linked-to-restaurants-gyms-hotels
... In Chicago, for instance, the study’s model predicted that if restaurants were reopened at full capacity, they would generate almost 600,000 new infections, three times as many as with other categories. The study, published Tuesday in the journal Nature, also found that about 10% of the locations examined accounted for 85% of predicted infections....
... The models produced in the study reported Tuesday also suggested that full-blown lockdowns aren’t necessary to hold the virus at bay. Masks, social distancing and reduced capacity all can play a major role in keeping things under control. ..
Link to the paper:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2923-3
Fake bone spurs? Yes.
Mostly Harmless
Dangerous
Deadly
:
I mean FFS!
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/10/pentagon-top-policy-official-resigns-435693
On the other hand it'd take six months just to do the vulnerable 30 million.
Shows the issues with getting to herd immunity.
Hopefully 1m is a starting and not ending point.
Or is it the T-1000 morphing?
Many experts believe that Pfizer jumped the gun on Monday (announcing interim results ahead of scientific peer-review) and think Oxford is not too far behind. The group looks to be just weeks away from releasing its own findings.
If previous announcements are anything to go by, the team will release the results on the same day as publication, meaning they can go straight to regulators for approval.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/10/oxford-v-pfizer-costs-logistics-could-still-see-oxfords-vaccine/
Apologies. And well spotted. Thank you.
I wonder if you're that sort of person who kicks your dog when your football team loses.
We’ll look back and think it silly to have worried about the ridiculous, absurd creature engineering a successful coup.
Bit right now I am not quite so confident.It’s extremely unlikely, but it’s not impossible.
The Real Threat of Trump’s Ridiculous Coup Attempt
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/11/trump-coup-threat-republican-minority-rule.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58nGH2M112A
Have a great birthday.
As for the order,
"Mr Biden called the PM ahead of the leaders of other major European countries."
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-54892505
Poor Mrs May got the cold shoulder treatment from Trump in 2016,
Theresa May was 10th in line when Trump was elected in November 2016, after Ireland, Turkey, India, Japan, Mexico, Egypt, Israel, Australia and South Korea.
The only reason it is even being mentioned is because some part of the media were making this huge play of oh well Biden hates Boris, so he will be back of the queue.
The reality is a decent POTUS will spend a day phoning all the major leaders. If you get first or second or third, is probably as much a function of who is free when as anything else.
Nowt wrong with that of course.
Coz they're both wrong
I think it would have only been a genuine issue if Biden had spent days talking to every other country under the sun before Boris. But if he got first, second, fifth, is here nor there. It was all stupid attempt by the media to find some sort of drama.
The main thing is Boris needs to show some leadership and try and build a relationship with Biden.
Not only that but racist bankrupt Trump spent years claiming Obama wasn't really American. Or were there "legitimate questions" about his birth certificate?
Given the pack of lies you spouted about the Michigan 2016 recount the other day it's pretty obvious you are just a Trump propagandist.