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Unbelievably incompetent comms from No 10.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Poor comms at no 10 but it does not alter the importance of Boris endorsing Joe Biden in a personal phone call which will aid Biden and add to Trump's dark angerMexicanpete said:
Did you see the nice greeting Johnson sent to Trump, err, I mean Biden?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I believe the call between Boris and Joe Biden was mutually beneficial and in Joe Biden's case Boris rejection of Trump must please him more than from must any other leader due to Boris previously attitude to TrumpCarnyx said:
Especiallyt if he wanted to cut the risk of any Irish border nonsense - remember the Act is going through Pmt at the moment.glw said:
I don't suppose it really means anything, somebody has to be first, and somebody else last. For all we know Biden simply wanted to get the call with Boris over with as soon as possible.rcs1000 said:
I think it's great we got the fist call.glw said:
It's funny how the order in which Biden called European leaders really mattered right up until the point he called Boris first, and now it doesn't matter at all. If I was feeling particularly petty I could go back through the posts today and name and shame, mostly remainers I expect.FrancisUrquhart said:
Now if it had been Macron then Boris, some journalists would he banging on about it for weeks, months, years...HYUFD said:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind if we were thirty-second, so long as we were ahead of France.
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Don't get me wrong, I am as ecstatic about the vaccine news as you. And similarly think its a real example of where we've done tremendously well.MaxPB said:
I think the pressure to eradicate this will be much greater and as soon as the vaccine proves to be safe there will be queues of people getting vaccinated because it unlocks normal life. Not getting a measles vaccination doesn't lead to having a half life.Mortimer said:
Given we've failed to eradicate measles, I think thats a little optimistic.MaxPB said:
Eradication in the UK is a six month process, globally it is a huge prospect though.Mortimer said:
Eradication is a decades long process.MaxPB said:
For eradication we'd want 80% taking it at 90% efficacy.Mortimer said:
I mean, yes, in an ideal world. But if we only got to 50% the R would still be surpressed massively.Casino_Royale said:
And we need to get 80%+ to take it.rcs1000 said:
Tend to agree. The only real fly in the ointment is that AZN/Oxford appears to be slightly slower than we'd like at ramping up manufacturing capability.MaxPB said:Have to say on the vaccine strategy the UK has absolutely nailed it. A very wide portfolio of likely successes means that we could have the whole nation vaccinated by the middle of next year ahead of basically every other nation in the world.
There's been a lot of fair criticism of them over basically everything, but this is one area where we have had a truly world beating strategy. We've got 10m doses arriving before the end of this month and then a further 30m on order for Q1 2021. If AZ reports back with similar efficacy then there's 4m of those before EOY and then a further 46m within the first half.
I'll be interested to see the next round of economic forecasts because they will need to have a vaccine prediction as well as the normal one. I think we'll get back to pre virus levels by around October of 2021 assuming the vaccine passes MHRA certification.
A real champagne moment for the UK vaccine team.
I will (in seconds) but I've already come across some weird antivax sentiment in my everyday life twice.
I think 20-30% are sceptical at the moment - which is too high.
And I thought there was some hoo-har a few weeks ago about no plans to vaccinate under 50s, anyway?
However.
I know lots of people who won't get it.
I suspect we'll have Covid bumbling around at a very low level for decades, even in this country.
But the point I am making is that if the vast majority of the vulnerable and elderly are vaccinated, a few million idiotic refuseniks isn't going to mean we have to continue wearing masks past next summer. It means a few idiotic refuseniks and, sadly, a few people who aren't able to have the vaccine, are going to catch a bad dose of it every year and perish....0 -
I was poo-pooh's for suggesting the 1/8 PaddyPower market that Donald Trump would not concede on television by Friday was a rock solid win.
I suggested that there's 'fat-all' chance of Trump doing such a thing.
Now we hear that Trump is not only refusing, his team are preparing for a second Trump administration. Pompeo has said that very thing:
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo refused to accept Joe Biden’s victory as President-elect, saying at the State Department Tuesday that “there will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration."
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/election-results-and-news-11-10-20/h_ea24bf2d9e4098e37e905b8c19487beb
The Republican Party has gone stark, raving, bonkers. Utterly nuts.2 -
Someone wants a grand at 1000 on Betfair Pence next Pres now!Anabobazina said:
Fill your boots layers0 -
Not for the first time to be honest, maybe Allegra Stratton will eradicate some of these avoidable errorsMexicanpete said:
Unbelievably incompetent comms from No 10.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Poor comms at no 10 but it does not alter the importance of Boris endorsing Joe Biden in a personal phone call which will aid Biden and add to Trump's dark angerMexicanpete said:
Did you see the nice greeting Johnson sent to Trump, err, I mean Biden?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I believe the call between Boris and Joe Biden was mutually beneficial and in Joe Biden's case Boris rejection of Trump must please him more than from must any other leader due to Boris previously attitude to TrumpCarnyx said:
Especiallyt if he wanted to cut the risk of any Irish border nonsense - remember the Act is going through Pmt at the moment.glw said:
I don't suppose it really means anything, somebody has to be first, and somebody else last. For all we know Biden simply wanted to get the call with Boris over with as soon as possible.rcs1000 said:
I think it's great we got the fist call.glw said:
It's funny how the order in which Biden called European leaders really mattered right up until the point he called Boris first, and now it doesn't matter at all. If I was feeling particularly petty I could go back through the posts today and name and shame, mostly remainers I expect.FrancisUrquhart said:
Now if it had been Macron then Boris, some journalists would he banging on about it for weeks, months, years...HYUFD said:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind if we were thirty-second, so long as we were ahead of France.0 -
I find KDE on Ubuntu installs nicely enough. Answer a few questions and go away and put the kettle on. Having 6 switchable desktops to work with is nice too.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. The reason most people buy Macs is not for price per gig of storage. It’s because the operating system is vastly more elegant and intuitive, and better designed.Mortimer said:
One thing that baffles me about PCs (I've used Macs for about 10 years now) is how unintuitive the new Windows set ups seem to be. I grew up with Windows, and now have not a clue how to use my parents' PC.FrancisUrquhart said:
You mean as always....glw said:Completely off-topic, the new Macs have absolutely atrocious pricing for memory and storage upgrades.
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Full disclosure -MrEd said:
Have you got anything left bar your wardrobe after betting it all on a Biden landslidekinabalu said:
Yes, I know you were. The pushing of the narrative as opposed to the fearful musing about what might happen. It's easy to tell the difference. It is for me anyway. Some seem to find it slightly trickier.Roy_G_Biv said:
For clarity, I'm talking entirely about category (ii). The ones who are trying to build a narrative that maybe this is still on!!!!1!kinabalu said:
There's 2 types of posters who are talking up Trump's chances of ignoring the election and taking America rogue.Roy_G_Biv said:Is it just me, or do the Trumpy zoomers on here arrive and leave in a group?
Sock puppets?
(i) Those who are very fearful of it and are failing to think rationally in the face of that fear.
(ii) Alt Right types who adore Donald Trump so much that fascism looks good to them if it keeps him in power.
My ire and contempt is 100% for category (ii).
But it ain't on. It's flatlining. It's head isn't even attached. And I'm heartened to see so many people of diverse political opinions just kicking the absolute shit out of their nonsense. I mean, it's shooting fish in a barrel, but it's fabulous to see.
Still 1.09 btw. What a bet! I'm tossing the car keys in. ?
I would have made £2137 all told on WH2020 but since I have put £1500 of that on Biden now (post election) it will end up being a bit more.
Outside of movies like The Sting you don't often get the chance to back the winner of a race after the race. It's a dream (!) scenario for rational political punters.3 -
Kind of wondering if the US is about to descend into its second civil war.1
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Ahh, I see. That makes more sense!isam said:
He says he’s Jill Biden’s husband, but I meant the bit about him being Kamala’s running partnerMortimer said:
I assume that was written down as:isam said:What did he mean by that?
https://youtu.be/GfqOytpE3VY
'My name is Joe Biden/I'm Joe Biden's Husband' depending on whether Joe or his wife were giving the speech?
Its a self deprecating joke, isn't it?0 -
The idea that that was Boris endorsing Biden, rather than Boris whining like a bitch on Biden's command, is touching.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Poor comms at no 10 but it does not alter the importance of Boris endorsing Joe Biden in a personal phone call which will aid Biden and add to Trump's dark angerMexicanpete said:
Did you see the nice greeting Johnson sent to Trump, err, I mean Biden?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I believe the call between Boris and Joe Biden was mutually beneficial and in Joe Biden's case Boris rejection of Trump must please him more than from must any other leader due to Boris previously attitude to TrumpCarnyx said:
Especiallyt if he wanted to cut the risk of any Irish border nonsense - remember the Act is going through Pmt at the moment.glw said:
I don't suppose it really means anything, somebody has to be first, and somebody else last. For all we know Biden simply wanted to get the call with Boris over with as soon as possible.rcs1000 said:
I think it's great we got the fist call.glw said:
It's funny how the order in which Biden called European leaders really mattered right up until the point he called Boris first, and now it doesn't matter at all. If I was feeling particularly petty I could go back through the posts today and name and shame, mostly remainers I expect.FrancisUrquhart said:
Now if it had been Macron then Boris, some journalists would he banging on about it for weeks, months, years...HYUFD said:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind if we were thirty-second, so long as we were ahead of France.0 -
Because we have a septuagenarian President in the midst of a plague and the order of succession might confuse punters.isam said:
Obviously I read that first, but why would there be any need for the bit I posted if the part you quote is the be all and end all? Why would they bother saying anything about ambiguity etc?TheScreamingEagles said:
You've missed out the key bit just above it.isam said:
This market will be settled according to the candidate that has the most projected Electoral College votes won at the 2020 presidential election. Any subsequent events such as a ‘faithless elector’ will have no effect on the settlement of this market. In the event that no Presidential candidate receives a majority of the projected Electoral College votes, this market will be settled on the person chosen as President in accordance with the procedures set out by the Twelfth Amendment to the United States Constitution.
This is not the next President market, but the winner of the 2020 Presidential election market.
The best analogy TP put it as many years ago was that it is like the next permanent manager of a football market, caretaker managers do not count.0 -
I think under 50’s are just last in the queue.Mortimer said:
Eradication is a decades long process.MaxPB said:
For eradication we'd want 80% taking it at 90% efficacy.Mortimer said:
I mean, yes, in an ideal world. But if we only got to 50% the R would still be surpressed massively.Casino_Royale said:
And we need to get 80%+ to take it.rcs1000 said:
Tend to agree. The only real fly in the ointment is that AZN/Oxford appears to be slightly slower than we'd like at ramping up manufacturing capability.MaxPB said:Have to say on the vaccine strategy the UK has absolutely nailed it. A very wide portfolio of likely successes means that we could have the whole nation vaccinated by the middle of next year ahead of basically every other nation in the world.
There's been a lot of fair criticism of them over basically everything, but this is one area where we have had a truly world beating strategy. We've got 10m doses arriving before the end of this month and then a further 30m on order for Q1 2021. If AZ reports back with similar efficacy then there's 4m of those before EOY and then a further 46m within the first half.
I'll be interested to see the next round of economic forecasts because they will need to have a vaccine prediction as well as the normal one. I think we'll get back to pre virus levels by around October of 2021 assuming the vaccine passes MHRA certification.
A real champagne moment for the UK vaccine team.
I will (in seconds) but I've already come across some weird antivax sentiment in my everyday life twice.
I think 20-30% are sceptical at the moment - which is too high.
And I thought there was some hoo-har a few weeks ago about no plans to vaccinate under 50s, anyway?2 -
I don't think it daft to await the formal safety analysis. I have several colleagues not keen on being first in the queue.Mortimer said:
Don't get me wrong, I am as ecstatic about the vaccine news as you. And similarly think its a real example of where we've done tremendously well.MaxPB said:
I think the pressure to eradicate this will be much greater and as soon as the vaccine proves to be safe there will be queues of people getting vaccinated because it unlocks normal life. Not getting a measles vaccination doesn't lead to having a half life.Mortimer said:
Given we've failed to eradicate measles, I think thats a little optimistic.MaxPB said:
Eradication in the UK is a six month process, globally it is a huge prospect though.Mortimer said:
Eradication is a decades long process.MaxPB said:
For eradication we'd want 80% taking it at 90% efficacy.Mortimer said:
I mean, yes, in an ideal world. But if we only got to 50% the R would still be surpressed massively.Casino_Royale said:
And we need to get 80%+ to take it.rcs1000 said:
Tend to agree. The only real fly in the ointment is that AZN/Oxford appears to be slightly slower than we'd like at ramping up manufacturing capability.MaxPB said:Have to say on the vaccine strategy the UK has absolutely nailed it. A very wide portfolio of likely successes means that we could have the whole nation vaccinated by the middle of next year ahead of basically every other nation in the world.
There's been a lot of fair criticism of them over basically everything, but this is one area where we have had a truly world beating strategy. We've got 10m doses arriving before the end of this month and then a further 30m on order for Q1 2021. If AZ reports back with similar efficacy then there's 4m of those before EOY and then a further 46m within the first half.
I'll be interested to see the next round of economic forecasts because they will need to have a vaccine prediction as well as the normal one. I think we'll get back to pre virus levels by around October of 2021 assuming the vaccine passes MHRA certification.
A real champagne moment for the UK vaccine team.
I will (in seconds) but I've already come across some weird antivax sentiment in my everyday life twice.
I think 20-30% are sceptical at the moment - which is too high.
And I thought there was some hoo-har a few weeks ago about no plans to vaccinate under 50s, anyway?
However.
I know lots of people who won't get it.
I suspect we'll have Covid bumbling around at a very low level for decades, even in this country.
But the point I am making is that if the vast majority of the vulnerable and elderly are vaccinated, a few million idiotic refuseniks isn't going to mean we have to continue wearing masks past next summer. It means a few idiotic refuseniks and, sadly, a few people who aren't able to have the vaccine, are going to catch a bad dose of it every year and perish....
Personally, I am up for it.1 -
Some mug wants a grand on Pence, off you go, more free moneyTheScreamingEagles said:
Because we have a septuagenarian President in the midst of a plague and the order of succession might confuse punters.isam said:
Obviously I read that first, but why would there be any need for the bit I posted if the part you quote is the be all and end all? Why would they bother saying anything about ambiguity etc?TheScreamingEagles said:
You've missed out the key bit just above it.isam said:
This market will be settled according to the candidate that has the most projected Electoral College votes won at the 2020 presidential election. Any subsequent events such as a ‘faithless elector’ will have no effect on the settlement of this market. In the event that no Presidential candidate receives a majority of the projected Electoral College votes, this market will be settled on the person chosen as President in accordance with the procedures set out by the Twelfth Amendment to the United States Constitution.
This is not the next President market, but the winner of the 2020 Presidential election market.
The best analogy TP put it as many years ago was that it is like the next permanent manager of a football market, caretaker managers do not count.0 -
I guess soMortimer said:
Ahh, I see. That makes more sense!isam said:
He says he’s Jill Biden’s husband, but I meant the bit about him being Kamala’s running partnerMortimer said:
I assume that was written down as:isam said:What did he mean by that?
https://youtu.be/GfqOytpE3VY
'My name is Joe Biden/I'm Joe Biden's Husband' depending on whether Joe or his wife were giving the speech?
Its a self deprecating joke, isn't it?0 -
Well, all that boarding up of shops in DC seems wise before this Saturdays rally/bierkeller putsch.Mysticrose said:Kind of wondering if the US is about to descend into its second civil war.
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Let's hope Biden puts an end to the violent protests by Antifa in Portland, Seattle and elsewhere.Mysticrose said:Kind of wondering if the US is about to descend into its second civil war.
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No, I'm dead right about this central point. If Trump were to rig things to stay in power having visibly lost the election in the eyes of the world and most of America, there is no way, no way on Earth, that it will not be met with - and I will quote the man himself here - "fire and fury like the country has never seen before".gealbhan said:
I’m definitely (i). In my defence, it’s perfectly rational to expect the irrational. There are no rules, limits or red lines when Trump is involved, everything goes if it works.kinabalu said:
There's 2 types of posters who are talking up Trump's chances of ignoring the election and taking America rogue.Roy_G_Biv said:Is it just me, or do the Trumpy zoomers on here arrive and leave in a group?
Sock puppets?
(i) Those who are very fearful of it and are failing to think rationally in the face of that fear.
(ii) Alt Right types who adore Donald Trump so much that fascism looks good to them if it keeps him in power.
My ire and contempt is 100% for category (ii).
Where you are wrong is claiming it takes America rogue, or into civil war. Really? A bit of arcane goal post moving, legal disputes that will pingpong on for years, but for now allow Republican legislators to apportion state delegates a different way for example. Well, it’s unfair to ask me to name exactly what - 95% of me is catching up on sleep lost last week. But 5% of mind is expecting the unexpected since i realised Trump is not alone, not remotely alone. 😯0 -
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O please let the Trump supporters smash up all the shops in Washington DC! It'll be so funny after Farage made that video saying that the boarding up was for when BLM go on the rampage after a Trump win.Foxy said:
Well, all that boarding up of shops in DC seems wise before this Saturdays rally/bierkeller putsch.Mysticrose said:Kind of wondering if the US is about to descend into its second civil war.
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There will ve riots if they say they will only vaccinate over 50s....and not like this government don't have a reputation for making crap decisions, then as soon as they recieve some incoming they fold.MaxPB said:
Eradication in the UK is a six month process, globally it is a huge prospect though.Mortimer said:
Eradication is a decades long process.MaxPB said:
For eradication we'd want 80% taking it at 90% efficacy.Mortimer said:
I mean, yes, in an ideal world. But if we only got to 50% the R would still be surpressed massively.Casino_Royale said:
And we need to get 80%+ to take it.rcs1000 said:
Tend to agree. The only real fly in the ointment is that AZN/Oxford appears to be slightly slower than we'd like at ramping up manufacturing capability.MaxPB said:Have to say on the vaccine strategy the UK has absolutely nailed it. A very wide portfolio of likely successes means that we could have the whole nation vaccinated by the middle of next year ahead of basically every other nation in the world.
There's been a lot of fair criticism of them over basically everything, but this is one area where we have had a truly world beating strategy. We've got 10m doses arriving before the end of this month and then a further 30m on order for Q1 2021. If AZ reports back with similar efficacy then there's 4m of those before EOY and then a further 46m within the first half.
I'll be interested to see the next round of economic forecasts because they will need to have a vaccine prediction as well as the normal one. I think we'll get back to pre virus levels by around October of 2021 assuming the vaccine passes MHRA certification.
A real champagne moment for the UK vaccine team.
I will (in seconds) but I've already come across some weird antivax sentiment in my everyday life twice.
I think 20-30% are sceptical at the moment - which is too high.
And I thought there was some hoo-har a few weeks ago about no plans to vaccinate under 50s, anyway?
Not vaccinating under 50s is to do with the number of doses we have available from Pfizer, if the AZ vaccine also comes good then we have more than enough for everyone. If the government says no to vaccinating the under 50s they can basically kiss re-election goodbye.1 -
We are, production is still slower than we'd have liked. AZN promised 10m doses by year end, and is only going to manage 3m or so.RobD said:
I thought they were already manufacturing, despite not having approval yet?rcs1000 said:
Tend to agree. The only real fly in the ointment is that AZN/Oxford appears to be slightly slower than we'd like at ramping up manufacturing capability.MaxPB said:Have to say on the vaccine strategy the UK has absolutely nailed it. A very wide portfolio of likely successes means that we could have the whole nation vaccinated by the middle of next year ahead of basically every other nation in the world.
There's been a lot of fair criticism of them over basically everything, but this is one area where we have had a truly world beating strategy. We've got 10m doses arriving before the end of this month and then a further 30m on order for Q1 2021. If AZ reports back with similar efficacy then there's 4m of those before EOY and then a further 46m within the first half.
I'll be interested to see the next round of economic forecasts because they will need to have a vaccine prediction as well as the normal one. I think we'll get back to pre virus levels by around October of 2021 assuming the vaccine passes MHRA certification.
A real champagne moment for the UK vaccine team.0 -
Last in the queue - anybody who thought the virus was a hoax.turbotubbs said:
I think under 50’s are just last in the queue.Mortimer said:
Eradication is a decades long process.MaxPB said:
For eradication we'd want 80% taking it at 90% efficacy.Mortimer said:
I mean, yes, in an ideal world. But if we only got to 50% the R would still be surpressed massively.Casino_Royale said:
And we need to get 80%+ to take it.rcs1000 said:
Tend to agree. The only real fly in the ointment is that AZN/Oxford appears to be slightly slower than we'd like at ramping up manufacturing capability.MaxPB said:Have to say on the vaccine strategy the UK has absolutely nailed it. A very wide portfolio of likely successes means that we could have the whole nation vaccinated by the middle of next year ahead of basically every other nation in the world.
There's been a lot of fair criticism of them over basically everything, but this is one area where we have had a truly world beating strategy. We've got 10m doses arriving before the end of this month and then a further 30m on order for Q1 2021. If AZ reports back with similar efficacy then there's 4m of those before EOY and then a further 46m within the first half.
I'll be interested to see the next round of economic forecasts because they will need to have a vaccine prediction as well as the normal one. I think we'll get back to pre virus levels by around October of 2021 assuming the vaccine passes MHRA certification.
A real champagne moment for the UK vaccine team.
I will (in seconds) but I've already come across some weird antivax sentiment in my everyday life twice.
I think 20-30% are sceptical at the moment - which is too high.
And I thought there was some hoo-har a few weeks ago about no plans to vaccinate under 50s, anyway?1 -
We may succeed in eradicating anti-vaxxers though.Mortimer said:
Given we've failed to eradicate measles, I think thats a little optimistic.MaxPB said:
Eradication in the UK is a six month process, globally it is a huge prospect though.Mortimer said:
Eradication is a decades long process.MaxPB said:
For eradication we'd want 80% taking it at 90% efficacy.Mortimer said:
I mean, yes, in an ideal world. But if we only got to 50% the R would still be surpressed massively.Casino_Royale said:
And we need to get 80%+ to take it.rcs1000 said:
Tend to agree. The only real fly in the ointment is that AZN/Oxford appears to be slightly slower than we'd like at ramping up manufacturing capability.MaxPB said:Have to say on the vaccine strategy the UK has absolutely nailed it. A very wide portfolio of likely successes means that we could have the whole nation vaccinated by the middle of next year ahead of basically every other nation in the world.
There's been a lot of fair criticism of them over basically everything, but this is one area where we have had a truly world beating strategy. We've got 10m doses arriving before the end of this month and then a further 30m on order for Q1 2021. If AZ reports back with similar efficacy then there's 4m of those before EOY and then a further 46m within the first half.
I'll be interested to see the next round of economic forecasts because they will need to have a vaccine prediction as well as the normal one. I think we'll get back to pre virus levels by around October of 2021 assuming the vaccine passes MHRA certification.
A real champagne moment for the UK vaccine team.
I will (in seconds) but I've already come across some weird antivax sentiment in my everyday life twice.
I think 20-30% are sceptical at the moment - which is too high.
And I thought there was some hoo-har a few weeks ago about no plans to vaccinate under 50s, anyway?1 -
You're not a big punter though, Ishmael, are you?IshmaelZ said:
Yeah that's what I am saying - he is putting his money where his mouth is. I am sure he'll be fine, but after my bedwetting of a week ago I am not following him.MrEd said:
To be fair to @kinabalu he did say that but, I hope for his sake, he didn'tIshmaelZ said:
There's a third type, which is simply saying how the betting odds look compared to the probable outcomes. I think you are massively confusing what posters think might happen with what they want to happen.kinabalu said:
There's 2 types of posters who are talking up Trump's chances of ignoring the election and taking America rogue.Roy_G_Biv said:Is it just me, or do the Trumpy zoomers on here arrive and leave in a group?
Sock puppets?
(i) Those who are very fearful of it and are failing to think rationally in the face of that fear.
(ii) Alt Right types who adore Donald Trump so much that fascism looks good to them if it keeps him in power.
My ire and contempt is 100% for category (ii).
Respect for piling in on Biden, though. I am mystified by the posts which say hur hur hur Trump not got a prayer, which don't go on to say "and I have therefore remortgaged the house/emptied the client account..."
Or are you?0 -
Group 11 to ??turbotubbs said:
I think under 50’s are just last in the queue.Mortimer said:
Eradication is a decades long process.MaxPB said:
For eradication we'd want 80% taking it at 90% efficacy.Mortimer said:
I mean, yes, in an ideal world. But if we only got to 50% the R would still be surpressed massively.Casino_Royale said:
And we need to get 80%+ to take it.rcs1000 said:
Tend to agree. The only real fly in the ointment is that AZN/Oxford appears to be slightly slower than we'd like at ramping up manufacturing capability.MaxPB said:Have to say on the vaccine strategy the UK has absolutely nailed it. A very wide portfolio of likely successes means that we could have the whole nation vaccinated by the middle of next year ahead of basically every other nation in the world.
There's been a lot of fair criticism of them over basically everything, but this is one area where we have had a truly world beating strategy. We've got 10m doses arriving before the end of this month and then a further 30m on order for Q1 2021. If AZ reports back with similar efficacy then there's 4m of those before EOY and then a further 46m within the first half.
I'll be interested to see the next round of economic forecasts because they will need to have a vaccine prediction as well as the normal one. I think we'll get back to pre virus levels by around October of 2021 assuming the vaccine passes MHRA certification.
A real champagne moment for the UK vaccine team.
I will (in seconds) but I've already come across some weird antivax sentiment in my everyday life twice.
I think 20-30% are sceptical at the moment - which is too high.
And I thought there was some hoo-har a few weeks ago about no plans to vaccinate under 50s, anyway?0 -
Here if you don't move out of No. 10 the same day the Queen comes over and slaps you. Little know secret is the first thing she says when a new PM rises after kissing hands is 'Don't f*ck me on this'.TheScreamingEagles said:1 -
It is generally accepted that the phone call was of mutual benefit and to the detriment of TrumpIshmaelZ said:
The idea that that was Boris endorsing Biden, rather than Boris whining like a bitch on Biden's command, is touching.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Poor comms at no 10 but it does not alter the importance of Boris endorsing Joe Biden in a personal phone call which will aid Biden and add to Trump's dark angerMexicanpete said:
Did you see the nice greeting Johnson sent to Trump, err, I mean Biden?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I believe the call between Boris and Joe Biden was mutually beneficial and in Joe Biden's case Boris rejection of Trump must please him more than from must any other leader due to Boris previously attitude to TrumpCarnyx said:
Especiallyt if he wanted to cut the risk of any Irish border nonsense - remember the Act is going through Pmt at the moment.glw said:
I don't suppose it really means anything, somebody has to be first, and somebody else last. For all we know Biden simply wanted to get the call with Boris over with as soon as possible.rcs1000 said:
I think it's great we got the fist call.glw said:
It's funny how the order in which Biden called European leaders really mattered right up until the point he called Boris first, and now it doesn't matter at all. If I was feeling particularly petty I could go back through the posts today and name and shame, mostly remainers I expect.FrancisUrquhart said:
Now if it had been Macron then Boris, some journalists would he banging on about it for weeks, months, years...HYUFD said:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind if we were thirty-second, so long as we were ahead of France.
But of course many will not like the fact that Boris was one of the first to speak to Biden after Trudeau and really do want the UK to be at the back of the queue.0 -
I guess any future lockdown will be dependent on Starmer.
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/13262765685834670090 -
Please noMysticrose said:Kind of wondering if the US is about to descend into its second civil war.
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Nope. Had £2k on Biden, but that's several multiples of all the bets I have ever had, on everything put together, prior to this. So I am going to retire now and be that one mug in a million that actually comes out ahead.kinabalu said:
You're not a big punter though, Ishmael, are you?IshmaelZ said:
Yeah that's what I am saying - he is putting his money where his mouth is. I am sure he'll be fine, but after my bedwetting of a week ago I am not following him.MrEd said:
To be fair to @kinabalu he did say that but, I hope for his sake, he didn'tIshmaelZ said:
There's a third type, which is simply saying how the betting odds look compared to the probable outcomes. I think you are massively confusing what posters think might happen with what they want to happen.kinabalu said:
There's 2 types of posters who are talking up Trump's chances of ignoring the election and taking America rogue.Roy_G_Biv said:Is it just me, or do the Trumpy zoomers on here arrive and leave in a group?
Sock puppets?
(i) Those who are very fearful of it and are failing to think rationally in the face of that fear.
(ii) Alt Right types who adore Donald Trump so much that fascism looks good to them if it keeps him in power.
My ire and contempt is 100% for category (ii).
Respect for piling in on Biden, though. I am mystified by the posts which say hur hur hur Trump not got a prayer, which don't go on to say "and I have therefore remortgaged the house/emptied the client account..."
Or are you?0 -
Let's hope moderate voters in Georgia are as appalled as everyone else.Mysticrose said:I was poo-pooh's for suggesting the 1/8 PaddyPower market that Donald Trump would not concede on television by Friday was a rock solid win.
I suggested that there's 'fat-all' chance of Trump doing such a thing.
Now we hear that Trump is not only refusing, his team are preparing for a second Trump administration. Pompeo has said that very thing:
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo refused to accept Joe Biden’s victory as President-elect, saying at the State Department Tuesday that “there will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration."
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/election-results-and-news-11-10-20/h_ea24bf2d9e4098e37e905b8c19487beb
The Republican Party has gone stark, raving, bonkers. Utterly nuts.0 -
I see the BYT has an opinion piece up in a fairly prominent place on its website page. Officially about the Argentinian Junta but, given where it's placed and the context, it reads easily as a fairly blatant call for crowds to gather outside Trump's officials households and workplaces to call for "justice".
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/opinion/atencion-murderer-next-door-escrache-argentina.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
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Someone (I think Isaac Asimov) wrote a story about a civilisation that was planned far into the future, but eventually an unforeseen anomaly cropped up, known as the Mule. Mr Trump has often brought that story to my mind. (Was it called Foundation, perhaps?)The_Apocalypse said:
The problem is that constitution only works if both sides stick to norms. Only one side is.rottenborough said:
Demagogue. Pure and simple. The next few weeks will be an incredible test of the US constitution, whose authors tried to anticipate this moment.The_Apocalypse said:
🤦🏽♀️ These people are truly something else.Alistair said:
Good evening, everybody.0 -
What I find more incredible is the various online defenders who genuine seem to believe that a Republican claiming something happened is itself proof that there's something dodgy going on which raises interesting questions.Mysticrose said:
The Republican Party has gone stark, raving, bonkers. Utterly nuts.
It'd be like a religious person trying to prove a miracle by pointing to it being referenced in their holy book.5 -
Even the NYT!MrEd said:I see the BYT has an opinion piece up in a fairly prominent place on its website page. Officially about the Argentinian Junta but, given where it's placed and the context, it reads easily as a fairly blatant call for crowds to gather outside Trump's officials households and workplaces to call for "justice".
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/opinion/atencion-murderer-next-door-escrache-argentina.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage0 -
That is likely the destination but the head of the UK vaccines posted this as recently as the 27th October:turbotubbs said:
I think under 50’s are just last in the queue.Mortimer said:
Eradication is a decades long process.MaxPB said:
For eradication we'd want 80% taking it at 90% efficacy.Mortimer said:
I mean, yes, in an ideal world. But if we only got to 50% the R would still be surpressed massively.Casino_Royale said:
And we need to get 80%+ to take it.rcs1000 said:
Tend to agree. The only real fly in the ointment is that AZN/Oxford appears to be slightly slower than we'd like at ramping up manufacturing capability.MaxPB said:Have to say on the vaccine strategy the UK has absolutely nailed it. A very wide portfolio of likely successes means that we could have the whole nation vaccinated by the middle of next year ahead of basically every other nation in the world.
There's been a lot of fair criticism of them over basically everything, but this is one area where we have had a truly world beating strategy. We've got 10m doses arriving before the end of this month and then a further 30m on order for Q1 2021. If AZ reports back with similar efficacy then there's 4m of those before EOY and then a further 46m within the first half.
I'll be interested to see the next round of economic forecasts because they will need to have a vaccine prediction as well as the normal one. I think we'll get back to pre virus levels by around October of 2021 assuming the vaccine passes MHRA certification.
A real champagne moment for the UK vaccine team.
I will (in seconds) but I've already come across some weird antivax sentiment in my everyday life twice.
I think 20-30% are sceptical at the moment - which is too high.
And I thought there was some hoo-har a few weeks ago about no plans to vaccinate under 50s, anyway?
"The Vaccine Taskforce has options to purchase sufficient doses of each vaccine type to vaccinate the appropriate UK population. Following the interim advice by the UK's Joint Committee of Vaccination and Immunisations,6 vaccination would be recommended for adults older than 50 years, health-care and social-care workers on the front line, and adults with underlying comorbidities."
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32175-9/fulltext0 -
Really? Who wants that?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is generally accepted that the phone call was of mutual benefit and to the detriment of TrumpIshmaelZ said:
The idea that that was Boris endorsing Biden, rather than Boris whining like a bitch on Biden's command, is touching.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Poor comms at no 10 but it does not alter the importance of Boris endorsing Joe Biden in a personal phone call which will aid Biden and add to Trump's dark angerMexicanpete said:
Did you see the nice greeting Johnson sent to Trump, err, I mean Biden?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I believe the call between Boris and Joe Biden was mutually beneficial and in Joe Biden's case Boris rejection of Trump must please him more than from must any other leader due to Boris previously attitude to TrumpCarnyx said:
Especiallyt if he wanted to cut the risk of any Irish border nonsense - remember the Act is going through Pmt at the moment.glw said:
I don't suppose it really means anything, somebody has to be first, and somebody else last. For all we know Biden simply wanted to get the call with Boris over with as soon as possible.rcs1000 said:
I think it's great we got the fist call.glw said:
It's funny how the order in which Biden called European leaders really mattered right up until the point he called Boris first, and now it doesn't matter at all. If I was feeling particularly petty I could go back through the posts today and name and shame, mostly remainers I expect.FrancisUrquhart said:
Now if it had been Macron then Boris, some journalists would he banging on about it for weeks, months, years...HYUFD said:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind if we were thirty-second, so long as we were ahead of France.
But of course many will not like the fact that Boris was one of the first to speak to Biden after Trudeau and really do want the UK to be at the back of the queue.0 -
I suspect the old notion that it takes two to tango applies to a civil war. Biden calming down Antifa and BLM doesn't really help, unless you are advocating a HWO for Trump's militias.Andy_JS said:
Let's hope Biden puts an end to the violent protests by Antifa in Portland, Seattle and elsewhere.Mysticrose said:Kind of wondering if the US is about to descend into its second civil war.
It doesn't have to end in violence, and tbf, there is only one man who can de-escalate this, and it is Trump.0 -
I wouldn't lay anything at 1000. Not even West Ham or Arsenal to win the Champions League this season when they aren't in it. Or even nearly in it.isam said:
Someone wants a grand at 1000 on Betfair Pence next Pres now!Anabobazina said:
Fill your boots layers
Why were you banned btw? Was it for being a "strutting right wing populist"?0 -
All-too-believably incompetent comms from No 10, I think.Mexicanpete said:
Unbelievably incompetent comms from No 10.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Poor comms at no 10 but it does not alter the importance of Boris endorsing Joe Biden in a personal phone call which will aid Biden and add to Trump's dark angerMexicanpete said:
Did you see the nice greeting Johnson sent to Trump, err, I mean Biden?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I believe the call between Boris and Joe Biden was mutually beneficial and in Joe Biden's case Boris rejection of Trump must please him more than from must any other leader due to Boris previously attitude to TrumpCarnyx said:
Especiallyt if he wanted to cut the risk of any Irish border nonsense - remember the Act is going through Pmt at the moment.glw said:
I don't suppose it really means anything, somebody has to be first, and somebody else last. For all we know Biden simply wanted to get the call with Boris over with as soon as possible.rcs1000 said:
I think it's great we got the fist call.glw said:
It's funny how the order in which Biden called European leaders really mattered right up until the point he called Boris first, and now it doesn't matter at all. If I was feeling particularly petty I could go back through the posts today and name and shame, mostly remainers I expect.FrancisUrquhart said:
Now if it had been Macron then Boris, some journalists would he banging on about it for weeks, months, years...HYUFD said:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind if we were thirty-second, so long as we were ahead of France.3 -
I find the idea it was endorsement to be a strange one, someone yesterday questioned whether Boris genuinely 'supported' Biden as well, as if that mattered at all. Boris like other world leaders sent out a statement notwithstanding the Republicans acting like babies, and his comms team cocked up on a graphic. I like making a mountain out of a molehill as much as anyone, but there's only so far it can be taken.IshmaelZ said:
The idea that that was Boris endorsing Biden, rather than Boris whining like a bitch on Biden's command, is touching.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Poor comms at no 10 but it does not alter the importance of Boris endorsing Joe Biden in a personal phone call which will aid Biden and add to Trump's dark angerMexicanpete said:
Did you see the nice greeting Johnson sent to Trump, err, I mean Biden?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I believe the call between Boris and Joe Biden was mutually beneficial and in Joe Biden's case Boris rejection of Trump must please him more than from must any other leader due to Boris previously attitude to TrumpCarnyx said:
Especiallyt if he wanted to cut the risk of any Irish border nonsense - remember the Act is going through Pmt at the moment.glw said:
I don't suppose it really means anything, somebody has to be first, and somebody else last. For all we know Biden simply wanted to get the call with Boris over with as soon as possible.rcs1000 said:
I think it's great we got the fist call.glw said:
It's funny how the order in which Biden called European leaders really mattered right up until the point he called Boris first, and now it doesn't matter at all. If I was feeling particularly petty I could go back through the posts today and name and shame, mostly remainers I expect.FrancisUrquhart said:
Now if it had been Macron then Boris, some journalists would he banging on about it for weeks, months, years...HYUFD said:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind if we were thirty-second, so long as we were ahead of France.0 -
I don't think you ever eradicate a respiratory illness virus. Even the old flus are still out their in other animal reservoirs waiting for the human herd immunity to die off. It's been about 50 years since a major H2N2 outbreak - can't be that much immunity left globally.MaxPB said:
Eradication in the UK is a six month process, globally it is a huge prospect though.Mortimer said:
Eradication is a decades long process.MaxPB said:
For eradication we'd want 80% taking it at 90% efficacy.Mortimer said:
I mean, yes, in an ideal world. But if we only got to 50% the R would still be surpressed massively.Casino_Royale said:
And we need to get 80%+ to take it.rcs1000 said:
Tend to agree. The only real fly in the ointment is that AZN/Oxford appears to be slightly slower than we'd like at ramping up manufacturing capability.MaxPB said:Have to say on the vaccine strategy the UK has absolutely nailed it. A very wide portfolio of likely successes means that we could have the whole nation vaccinated by the middle of next year ahead of basically every other nation in the world.
There's been a lot of fair criticism of them over basically everything, but this is one area where we have had a truly world beating strategy. We've got 10m doses arriving before the end of this month and then a further 30m on order for Q1 2021. If AZ reports back with similar efficacy then there's 4m of those before EOY and then a further 46m within the first half.
I'll be interested to see the next round of economic forecasts because they will need to have a vaccine prediction as well as the normal one. I think we'll get back to pre virus levels by around October of 2021 assuming the vaccine passes MHRA certification.
A real champagne moment for the UK vaccine team.
I will (in seconds) but I've already come across some weird antivax sentiment in my everyday life twice.
I think 20-30% are sceptical at the moment - which is too high.
And I thought there was some hoo-har a few weeks ago about no plans to vaccinate under 50s, anyway?
Not vaccinating under 50s is to do with the number of doses we have available from Pfizer, if the AZ vaccine also comes good then we have more than enough for everyone. If the government says no to vaccinating the under 50s they can basically kiss re-election goodbye.1 -
Well I don't know. Certainly the operation is usually a complete shambles, but you'd think finding IT literate people could still occur. I don't know why even very basic presentation stuff seems so hard for parties sometimes. Of the 2019 GE manifestos only the Green Party's properly hyperlinked the document for ease of use when first releasedTheuniondivvie said:
All-too-believably incompetent comms from No 10, I think.Mexicanpete said:
Unbelievably incompetent comms from No 10.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Poor comms at no 10 but it does not alter the importance of Boris endorsing Joe Biden in a personal phone call which will aid Biden and add to Trump's dark angerMexicanpete said:
Did you see the nice greeting Johnson sent to Trump, err, I mean Biden?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I believe the call between Boris and Joe Biden was mutually beneficial and in Joe Biden's case Boris rejection of Trump must please him more than from must any other leader due to Boris previously attitude to TrumpCarnyx said:
Especiallyt if he wanted to cut the risk of any Irish border nonsense - remember the Act is going through Pmt at the moment.glw said:
I don't suppose it really means anything, somebody has to be first, and somebody else last. For all we know Biden simply wanted to get the call with Boris over with as soon as possible.rcs1000 said:
I think it's great we got the fist call.glw said:
It's funny how the order in which Biden called European leaders really mattered right up until the point he called Boris first, and now it doesn't matter at all. If I was feeling particularly petty I could go back through the posts today and name and shame, mostly remainers I expect.FrancisUrquhart said:
Now if it had been Macron then Boris, some journalists would he banging on about it for weeks, months, years...HYUFD said:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind if we were thirty-second, so long as we were ahead of France.0 -
Why are you finding this incredible? One of the key reasons Trump came to power was the birther movement. Its not like a religious movement, it is a religious movement.kle4 said:
What I find more incredible is the various online defenders who genuine seem to believe that a Republican claiming something happened is itself proof that there's something dodgy going on which raises interesting questions.Mysticrose said:
The Republican Party has gone stark, raving, bonkers. Utterly nuts.
It's be like a religious person trying to prove a miracle by pointing to it being referenced in their holy book.0 -
A very fair point.Theuniondivvie said:
All-too-believably incompetent comms from No 10, I think.Mexicanpete said:
Unbelievably incompetent comms from No 10.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Poor comms at no 10 but it does not alter the importance of Boris endorsing Joe Biden in a personal phone call which will aid Biden and add to Trump's dark angerMexicanpete said:
Did you see the nice greeting Johnson sent to Trump, err, I mean Biden?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I believe the call between Boris and Joe Biden was mutually beneficial and in Joe Biden's case Boris rejection of Trump must please him more than from must any other leader due to Boris previously attitude to TrumpCarnyx said:
Especiallyt if he wanted to cut the risk of any Irish border nonsense - remember the Act is going through Pmt at the moment.glw said:
I don't suppose it really means anything, somebody has to be first, and somebody else last. For all we know Biden simply wanted to get the call with Boris over with as soon as possible.rcs1000 said:
I think it's great we got the fist call.glw said:
It's funny how the order in which Biden called European leaders really mattered right up until the point he called Boris first, and now it doesn't matter at all. If I was feeling particularly petty I could go back through the posts today and name and shame, mostly remainers I expect.FrancisUrquhart said:
Now if it had been Macron then Boris, some journalists would he banging on about it for weeks, months, years...HYUFD said:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind if we were thirty-second, so long as we were ahead of France.0 -
Foundation trilogy/series, it just grew and grew; the theory of psychohistory made quite an impression on me as a young teenager. Yes, the Mule was the spanner in the works.AnneJGP said:
Someone (I think Isaac Asimov) wrote a story about a civilisation that was planned far into the future, but eventually an unforeseen anomaly cropped up, known as the Mule. Mr Trump has often brought that story to my mind. (Was it called Foundation, perhaps?)The_Apocalypse said:
The problem is that constitution only works if both sides stick to norms. Only one side is.rottenborough said:
Demagogue. Pure and simple. The next few weeks will be an incredible test of the US constitution, whose authors tried to anticipate this moment.The_Apocalypse said:
🤦🏽♀️ These people are truly something else.Alistair said:
Good evening, everybody.
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Looks like the Supreme Court is keeping the ACA
https://twitter.com/jedshug/status/1326190602590048256
They are hammering Texas on both Standing and severability. That is a full on massacre.0 -
Wow. Hats off. That is a big bet for someone who doesn't partake much. And a great one too but, yes, totally sound call to make it your last.IshmaelZ said:
Nope. Had £2k on Biden, but that's several multiples of all the bets I have ever had, on everything put together, prior to this. So I am going to retire now and be that one mug in a million that actually comes out ahead.kinabalu said:
You're not a big punter though, Ishmael, are you?IshmaelZ said:
Yeah that's what I am saying - he is putting his money where his mouth is. I am sure he'll be fine, but after my bedwetting of a week ago I am not following him.MrEd said:
To be fair to @kinabalu he did say that but, I hope for his sake, he didn'tIshmaelZ said:
There's a third type, which is simply saying how the betting odds look compared to the probable outcomes. I think you are massively confusing what posters think might happen with what they want to happen.kinabalu said:
There's 2 types of posters who are talking up Trump's chances of ignoring the election and taking America rogue.Roy_G_Biv said:Is it just me, or do the Trumpy zoomers on here arrive and leave in a group?
Sock puppets?
(i) Those who are very fearful of it and are failing to think rationally in the face of that fear.
(ii) Alt Right types who adore Donald Trump so much that fascism looks good to them if it keeps him in power.
My ire and contempt is 100% for category (ii).
Respect for piling in on Biden, though. I am mystified by the posts which say hur hur hur Trump not got a prayer, which don't go on to say "and I have therefore remortgaged the house/emptied the client account..."
Or are you?
DeChambeau for the Masters at 9 is worth a fiver though.0 -
Fair point, though I find it incredible that people steeped in politics for decades think enabling that sort of fanaticism is worth the institutional cost, or that they can steer the enraged bull they've unleashed.noneoftheabove said:
Why are you finding this incredible? One of the key reasons Trump came to power was the birther movement. Its not like a religious movement, it is a religious movement.kle4 said:
What I find more incredible is the various online defenders who genuinely seem to believe that a Republican claiming something happened is itself proof that there's something dodgy going on which raises interesting questions.Mysticrose said:
The Republican Party has gone stark, raving, bonkers. Utterly nuts.
It's be like a religious person trying to prove a miracle by pointing to it being referenced in their holy book.0 -
Precisely - though I think Trump falls into the category of predictable social decadence.AnneJGP said:
Someone (I think Isaac Asimov) wrote a story about a civilisation that was planned far into the future, but eventually an unforeseen anomaly cropped up, known as the Mule. Mr Trump has often brought that story to my mind. (Was it called Foundation, perhaps?)The_Apocalypse said:
The problem is that constitution only works if both sides stick to norms. Only one side is.rottenborough said:
Demagogue. Pure and simple. The next few weeks will be an incredible test of the US constitution, whose authors tried to anticipate this moment.The_Apocalypse said:
🤦🏽♀️ These people are truly something else.Alistair said:
Good evening, everybody.0 -
Yep. And a huge percentage believe Trump was sent by God. It's why he didn't lose. It is literally impossible, as an omnipotent being is directing events in his favour.noneoftheabove said:
Why are you finding this incredible? One of the key reasons Trump came to power was the birther movement. Its not like a religious movement, it is a religious movement.kle4 said:
What I find more incredible is the various online defenders who genuine seem to believe that a Republican claiming something happened is itself proof that there's something dodgy going on which raises interesting questions.Mysticrose said:
The Republican Party has gone stark, raving, bonkers. Utterly nuts.
It's be like a religious person trying to prove a miracle by pointing to it being referenced in their holy book.
The current events ought to be only a surprise to those who think the US is similar to the UK.2 -
Story of government & politics in general.kle4 said:
Well I don't know. Certainly the operation is usually a complete shambles, but you'd think finding IT literate people could still occur. I don't know why even very basic presentation stuff seems so hard for parties sometimes. Of the 2019 GE manifestos only the Green Party's properly hyperlinked the document for ease of use when first releasedTheuniondivvie said:
All-too-believably incompetent comms from No 10, I think.Mexicanpete said:
Unbelievably incompetent comms from No 10.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Poor comms at no 10 but it does not alter the importance of Boris endorsing Joe Biden in a personal phone call which will aid Biden and add to Trump's dark angerMexicanpete said:
Did you see the nice greeting Johnson sent to Trump, err, I mean Biden?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I believe the call between Boris and Joe Biden was mutually beneficial and in Joe Biden's case Boris rejection of Trump must please him more than from must any other leader due to Boris previously attitude to TrumpCarnyx said:
Especiallyt if he wanted to cut the risk of any Irish border nonsense - remember the Act is going through Pmt at the moment.glw said:
I don't suppose it really means anything, somebody has to be first, and somebody else last. For all we know Biden simply wanted to get the call with Boris over with as soon as possible.rcs1000 said:
I think it's great we got the fist call.glw said:
It's funny how the order in which Biden called European leaders really mattered right up until the point he called Boris first, and now it doesn't matter at all. If I was feeling particularly petty I could go back through the posts today and name and shame, mostly remainers I expect.FrancisUrquhart said:
Now if it had been Macron then Boris, some journalists would he banging on about it for weeks, months, years...HYUFD said:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind if we were thirty-second, so long as we were ahead of France.
The cabinet room in No 10 has less functionality as a meeting space than it did during WWI, for example...0 -
What does @SteveBakerHW stand for? I thought "hard man" would have been HM. The only thing I can think of is "hopeless w******"TheScreamingEagles said:I guess any future lockdown will be dependent on Starmer.
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/13262765685834670090 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6FK2RmVgGEbigjohnowls said:
Group 11 to ??turbotubbs said:
I think under 50’s are just last in the queue.Mortimer said:
Eradication is a decades long process.MaxPB said:
For eradication we'd want 80% taking it at 90% efficacy.Mortimer said:
I mean, yes, in an ideal world. But if we only got to 50% the R would still be surpressed massively.Casino_Royale said:
And we need to get 80%+ to take it.rcs1000 said:
Tend to agree. The only real fly in the ointment is that AZN/Oxford appears to be slightly slower than we'd like at ramping up manufacturing capability.MaxPB said:Have to say on the vaccine strategy the UK has absolutely nailed it. A very wide portfolio of likely successes means that we could have the whole nation vaccinated by the middle of next year ahead of basically every other nation in the world.
There's been a lot of fair criticism of them over basically everything, but this is one area where we have had a truly world beating strategy. We've got 10m doses arriving before the end of this month and then a further 30m on order for Q1 2021. If AZ reports back with similar efficacy then there's 4m of those before EOY and then a further 46m within the first half.
I'll be interested to see the next round of economic forecasts because they will need to have a vaccine prediction as well as the normal one. I think we'll get back to pre virus levels by around October of 2021 assuming the vaccine passes MHRA certification.
A real champagne moment for the UK vaccine team.
I will (in seconds) but I've already come across some weird antivax sentiment in my everyday life twice.
I think 20-30% are sceptical at the moment - which is too high.
And I thought there was some hoo-har a few weeks ago about no plans to vaccinate under 50s, anyway?0 -
kinabalu i am surprised you are 82 i had you pegged as a millenial however just a thought that at your age you are perhaps slightly removed from things going on in the world today the world has changed a great deal even in the last 20 years you strike me as having a naive boomer 60s type mentality which is fair enough but not relevant to the world today0
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Half-wit?Mexicanpete said:
What does @SteveBakerHW stand for? I thought "hard man" would have been HM. The only thing I can think of is "hopeless w******"TheScreamingEagles said:I guess any future lockdown will be dependent on Starmer.
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/13262765685834670092 -
High Wycombe....Mexicanpete said:
What does @SteveBakerHW stand for? I thought "hard man" would have been HM. The only thing I can think of is "hopeless w******"TheScreamingEagles said:I guess any future lockdown will be dependent on Starmer.
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/13262765685834670090 -
Sub 900 now, the move is afoot!kinabalu said:
I wouldn't lay anything at 1000. Not even West Ham or Arsenal to win the Champions League this season when they aren't in it. Or even nearly in it.isam said:
Someone wants a grand at 1000 on Betfair Pence next Pres now!Anabobazina said:
Fill your boots layers
Why were you banned btw? Was it for being a "strutting right wing populist"?
I don’t know why, no ones telling, but that sounds like the kind of attention seeking self description I despise, so it wouldn’t be me saying it or admitting to it0 -
Help me out here @TSE... Signifying what?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
As Trump frequently told them: “You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in.”kle4 said:
Fair point, though I find it incredible that people steeped in politics for decades think enabling that sort of fanaticism is worth the institutional cost, or that they can steer the enraged bull they've unleashed.noneoftheabove said:
Why are you finding this incredible? One of the key reasons Trump came to power was the birther movement. Its not like a religious movement, it is a religious movement.kle4 said:
What I find more incredible is the various online defenders who genuinely seem to believe that a Republican claiming something happened is itself proof that there's something dodgy going on which raises interesting questions.Mysticrose said:
The Republican Party has gone stark, raving, bonkers. Utterly nuts.
It's be like a religious person trying to prove a miracle by pointing to it being referenced in their holy book.0 -
No. I made a living out of doing the IT side of this sort of thing for years. It just requires attention to detail and a simple understanding that computers are not the sort of thing you see in Hollywood or CSI where pressing CTRL-X deletes the alien invasion fleet or removes all data forever because there are no such things as backups.Malmesbury said:
Story of government & politics in general.kle4 said:
Well I don't know. Certainly the operation is usually a complete shambles, but you'd think finding IT literate people could still occur. I don't know why even very basic presentation stuff seems so hard for parties sometimes. Of the 2019 GE manifestos only the Green Party's properly hyperlinked the document for ease of use when first releasedTheuniondivvie said:
All-too-believably incompetent comms from No 10, I think.Mexicanpete said:
Unbelievably incompetent comms from No 10.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Poor comms at no 10 but it does not alter the importance of Boris endorsing Joe Biden in a personal phone call which will aid Biden and add to Trump's dark angerMexicanpete said:
Did you see the nice greeting Johnson sent to Trump, err, I mean Biden?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I believe the call between Boris and Joe Biden was mutually beneficial and in Joe Biden's case Boris rejection of Trump must please him more than from must any other leader due to Boris previously attitude to TrumpCarnyx said:
Especiallyt if he wanted to cut the risk of any Irish border nonsense - remember the Act is going through Pmt at the moment.glw said:
I don't suppose it really means anything, somebody has to be first, and somebody else last. For all we know Biden simply wanted to get the call with Boris over with as soon as possible.rcs1000 said:
I think it's great we got the fist call.glw said:
It's funny how the order in which Biden called European leaders really mattered right up until the point he called Boris first, and now it doesn't matter at all. If I was feeling particularly petty I could go back through the posts today and name and shame, mostly remainers I expect.FrancisUrquhart said:
Now if it had been Macron then Boris, some journalists would he banging on about it for weeks, months, years...HYUFD said:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind if we were thirty-second, so long as we were ahead of France.
The cabinet room in No 10 has less functionality as a meeting space than it did during WWI, for example...0 -
If Haspel is fired, then there aren't many grown-ups left in the Trump presidency.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
High Wycombe. Given his constituency.Mexicanpete said:
What does @SteveBakerHW stand for? I thought "hard man" would have been HM. The only thing I can think of is "hopeless w******"TheScreamingEagles said:I guess any future lockdown will be dependent on Starmer.
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1326276568583467009
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£8 wasted
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The manufacturing point is very specificMortimer said:
Don't get me wrong, I am as ecstatic about the vaccine news as you. And similarly think its a real example of where we've done tremendously well.MaxPB said:
I think the pressure to eradicate this will be much greater and as soon as the vaccine proves to be safe there will be queues of people getting vaccinated because it unlocks normal life. Not getting a measles vaccination doesn't lead to having a half life.Mortimer said:
Given we've failed to eradicate measles, I think thats a little optimistic.MaxPB said:
Eradication in the UK is a six month process, globally it is a huge prospect though.Mortimer said:
Eradication is a decades long process.MaxPB said:
For eradication we'd want 80% taking it at 90% efficacy.Mortimer said:
I mean, yes, in an ideal world. But if we only got to 50% the R would still be surpressed massively.Casino_Royale said:
And we need to get 80%+ to take it.rcs1000 said:
Tend to agree. The only real fly in the ointment is that AZN/Oxford appears to be slightly slower than we'd like at ramping up manufacturing capability.MaxPB said:Have to say on the vaccine strategy the UK has absolutely nailed it. A very wide portfolio of likely successes means that we could have the whole nation vaccinated by the middle of next year ahead of basically every other nation in the world.
There's been a lot of fair criticism of them over basically everything, but this is one area where we have had a truly world beating strategy. We've got 10m doses arriving before the end of this month and then a further 30m on order for Q1 2021. If AZ reports back with similar efficacy then there's 4m of those before EOY and then a further 46m within the first half.
I'll be interested to see the next round of economic forecasts because they will need to have a vaccine prediction as well as the normal one. I think we'll get back to pre virus levels by around October of 2021 assuming the vaccine passes MHRA certification.
A real champagne moment for the UK vaccine team.
I will (in seconds) but I've already come across some weird antivax sentiment in my everyday life twice.
I think 20-30% are sceptical at the moment - which is too high.
And I thought there was some hoo-har a few weeks ago about no plans to vaccinate under 50s, anyway?
However.
I know lots of people who won't get it.
I suspect we'll have Covid bumbling around at a very low level for decades, even in this country.
But the point I am making is that if the vast majority of the vulnerable and elderly are vaccinated, a few million idiotic refuseniks isn't going to mean we have to continue wearing masks past next summer. It means a few idiotic refuseniks and, sadly, a few people who aren't able to have the vaccine, are going to catch a bad dose of it every year and perish....
They have the capability but essentially they have paused the process before reconstitution, fill & finish. They’ve done this because it is easier to store and has a longer shelf life - they did it at the point when they realised the data would take longer than they had originally hoped. It will just mean that it will be a little slower to build the initial stock0 -
I preferred my suggestion.dixiedean said:
High Wycombe. Given his constituency.Mexicanpete said:
What does @SteveBakerHW stand for? I thought "hard man" would have been HM. The only thing I can think of is "hopeless w******"TheScreamingEagles said:I guess any future lockdown will be dependent on Starmer.
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/13262765685834670092 -
As it happens I am currently watching the mini-series 'John Adams'. The difference between the gentlemen portrayed at the first congress and the lying anti-democratic scum in the GOP in congress now is unbelievable.dixiedean said:
Yep. And a huge percentage believe Trump was sent by God. It's why he didn't lose. It is literally impossible, as an omnipotent being is directing events in his favour.noneoftheabove said:
Why are you finding this incredible? One of the key reasons Trump came to power was the birther movement. Its not like a religious movement, it is a religious movement.kle4 said:
What I find more incredible is the various online defenders who genuine seem to believe that a Republican claiming something happened is itself proof that there's something dodgy going on which raises interesting questions.Mysticrose said:
The Republican Party has gone stark, raving, bonkers. Utterly nuts.
It's be like a religious person trying to prove a miracle by pointing to it being referenced in their holy book.
The current events ought to be only a surprise to those who think the US is similar to the UK.3 -
You're fired? (Haspel, that is).Benpointer said:0 -
So, let me get this right.MrEd said:I see the BYT has an opinion piece up in a fairly prominent place on its website page. Officially about the Argentinian Junta but, given where it's placed and the context, it reads easily as a fairly blatant call for crowds to gather outside Trump's officials households and workplaces to call for "justice".
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/opinion/atencion-murderer-next-door-escrache-argentina.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
Trump actually calls for people to actually rise up and resist the stolen election.
The New York Times runs a story about Argentina which is code for rising up and resisting a stolen election.
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Here's a thought. What if Haspel refuses to go. And literally sits there denying reality, not accepting it, and launches multiple, spurious lawsuits, whilst ordering all the staff to continue as normal and firing anyone who disagrees?Mexicanpete said:
If Haspel is fired, then there aren't many grown-ups left in the Trump presidency.TheScreamingEagles said:
What then?
There is a lot of it about after all.2 -
The Indian programmers in my development team thought it was Higgy Why-com-beee. I have thought of it that way ever sincedixiedean said:
High Wycombe. Given his constituency.Mexicanpete said:
What does @SteveBakerHW stand for? I thought "hard man" would have been HM. The only thing I can think of is "hopeless w******"TheScreamingEagles said:I guess any future lockdown will be dependent on Starmer.
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1326276568583467009
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In the best traditions of Pericles himselfwilliamglenn said:
As Trump frequently told them: “You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in.”kle4 said:
Fair point, though I find it incredible that people steeped in politics for decades think enabling that sort of fanaticism is worth the institutional cost, or that they can steer the enraged bull they've unleashed.noneoftheabove said:
Why are you finding this incredible? One of the key reasons Trump came to power was the birther movement. Its not like a religious movement, it is a religious movement.kle4 said:
What I find more incredible is the various online defenders who genuinely seem to believe that a Republican claiming something happened is itself proof that there's something dodgy going on which raises interesting questions.Mysticrose said:
The Republican Party has gone stark, raving, bonkers. Utterly nuts.
It's be like a religious person trying to prove a miracle by pointing to it being referenced in their holy book.
"If you were persuaded by me to go to war because you thought I had the qualities necessary for leadership at least moderately more than other men, it is not right that I should now be blamed for doing wrong".
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Try explaining that to Mrs Browning, Dean!Scott_xP said:0 -
He can self identify as whatever he likes, you NeanderthalScott_xP said:0 -
What a ridiculous ageist commentpeter505 said:kinabalu i am surprised you are 82 i had you pegged as a millenial however just a thought that at your age you are perhaps slightly removed from things going on in the world today the world has changed a great deal even in the last 20 years you strike me as having a naive boomer 60s type mentality which is fair enough but not relevant to the world today
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I take it he did a Grant Shapps.Scott_xP said:
https://www.bloggerheads.com/archives/2007/07/grant_shapps/0 -
Did I say Trump was right to do this? No. I've said it's a dangerous route a number of times.rcs1000 said:
So, let me get this right.MrEd said:I see the BYT has an opinion piece up in a fairly prominent place on its website page. Officially about the Argentinian Junta but, given where it's placed and the context, it reads easily as a fairly blatant call for crowds to gather outside Trump's officials households and workplaces to call for "justice".
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/opinion/atencion-murderer-next-door-escrache-argentina.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
Trump actually calls for people to actually rise up and resist the stolen election.
The New York Times runs a story about Argentina which is code for rising up and resisting a stolen election.
Do I have that right?
I also think it's wrong when you get people - like AOC - demanding there should be a file of Trump officials, which should be stored for future use.
I see the Lincoln Project also doxxed two lawyers worked for the Trump team before they deleted the tweet. Do you think that is wrong or justified?
Two wrongs don't make a right.0 -
Does McConnell do the firing?Mexicanpete said:
You're fired? (Haspel, that is).Benpointer said:0 -
Fake reports!! The Democrats issuing fake reports! I won! I WON!!!!! (stamps foot and turns a deeper shade of orange)rottenborough said:0 -
Pence in 230 points, 770 to lay0
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You know the saying - there's no smoke without fire, and if you do find even one smouldering ember you may as well have stumbled upon the fiery river running into the depths of Tartarus.rottenborough said:
It's usually shortened.0 -
I don't know, but her departure for insubordination has been on the cards for a few days.Benpointer said:
Does McConnell do the firing?Mexicanpete said:
You're fired? (Haspel, that is).Benpointer said:0 -
Pillockpeter505 said:kinabalu i am surprised you are 82 i had you pegged as a millenial however just a thought that at your age you are perhaps slightly removed from things going on in the world today the world has changed a great deal even in the last 20 years you strike me as having a naive boomer 60s type mentality which is fair enough but not relevant to the world today
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The people putting those comms graphics together are not IT people though are they?Beibheirli_C said:
No. I made a living out of doing the IT side of this sort of thing for years. It just requires attention to detail and a simple understanding that computers are not the sort of thing you see in Hollywood or CSI where pressing CTRL-X deletes the alien invasion fleet or removes all data forever because there are no such things as backups.Malmesbury said:
Story of government & politics in general.kle4 said:
Well I don't know. Certainly the operation is usually a complete shambles, but you'd think finding IT literate people could still occur. I don't know why even very basic presentation stuff seems so hard for parties sometimes. Of the 2019 GE manifestos only the Green Party's properly hyperlinked the document for ease of use when first releasedTheuniondivvie said:
All-too-believably incompetent comms from No 10, I think.Mexicanpete said:
Unbelievably incompetent comms from No 10.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Poor comms at no 10 but it does not alter the importance of Boris endorsing Joe Biden in a personal phone call which will aid Biden and add to Trump's dark angerMexicanpete said:
Did you see the nice greeting Johnson sent to Trump, err, I mean Biden?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I believe the call between Boris and Joe Biden was mutually beneficial and in Joe Biden's case Boris rejection of Trump must please him more than from must any other leader due to Boris previously attitude to TrumpCarnyx said:
Especiallyt if he wanted to cut the risk of any Irish border nonsense - remember the Act is going through Pmt at the moment.glw said:
I don't suppose it really means anything, somebody has to be first, and somebody else last. For all we know Biden simply wanted to get the call with Boris over with as soon as possible.rcs1000 said:
I think it's great we got the fist call.glw said:
It's funny how the order in which Biden called European leaders really mattered right up until the point he called Boris first, and now it doesn't matter at all. If I was feeling particularly petty I could go back through the posts today and name and shame, mostly remainers I expect.FrancisUrquhart said:
Now if it had been Macron then Boris, some journalists would he banging on about it for weeks, months, years...HYUFD said:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind if we were thirty-second, so long as we were ahead of France.
The cabinet room in No 10 has less functionality as a meeting space than it did during WWI, for example...1 -
Given that he once advocated shooting the "ring-leaders" of the British Leyland strikes, Petain-style, I'm going with a "probably not".MrEd said:
I did think that, so I read his obituaries - couldn't see it mentioned anywhereanother_richard said:FPT:
Chris Mullin MP regularly baited on TV some of the profession’s more pompous examples when fighting for the Birmingham 6. His diaries recount the comment of his fellow campaigner, Sir John Stokes MP, when asked what his fellow Tory-cum-lawyers thought of what he was doing: “Sh*ts, the lot of them.”
Am I reading that correctly ?
Was John Stokes, the former Halesowen MP, really a campaigner on behalf on the Birmingham Six ?0 -
I like the way it's bothj ageist and youthist as well - poor Kinabalu can't win.Big_G_NorthWales said:
What a ridiculous ageist commentpeter505 said:kinabalu i am surprised you are 82 i had you pegged as a millenial however just a thought that at your age you are perhaps slightly removed from things going on in the world today the world has changed a great deal even in the last 20 years you strike me as having a naive boomer 60s type mentality which is fair enough but not relevant to the world today
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Doctors giving the jabs? Count me out thenrottenborough said: 0 -
It’s remarkable that it’s remarkable the the British PM would do anything other than endorse the president elect. I am glad he did. But what have we become where it’s in doubt for a second?0
