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  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    Ladies and Gentlemen this is something we call a groundbreaker

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0fk6syQ7iY
  • AveryLP
    AveryLP Posts: 7,815

    Hannan speech very impressive, IMHO. Very good. He's making a better UKIP speech than Farage.

    A very intelligent speech with a clear subtext.

  • corporeal
    corporeal Posts: 2,549

    corporeal said:

    Polling shows growing support for staying in EU.

    Polling isnt voting...
    No, but it's our best information.
  • Slackbladder
    Slackbladder Posts: 9,800
    corporeal said:

    corporeal said:

    Polling shows growing support for staying in EU.

    Polling isnt voting...
    No, but it's our best information.
    Errr yes...thats why you have a referendum

  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @gabyhinsliff: People moaning about why are we listening to 2nd place @DanHannanMEP ; because he's more interesting than the others. & I disagree with him
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    edited May 2014
    Rochdale Pioneers And North West. UKIP won East and West Midlands, Yorkshire, South East, East and South West
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2014
    Tower Hamlets — probably completely unaware that they're holding up the rest of England in terms of Euro results. Banana republic, allegedly.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    dugierbandier Obama led on leadership and economy in 2008, on leadership in 2012, though behind on economy
  • fitalass
    fitalass Posts: 4,444
    Twitter
    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges 1m
    Ed Miliband supporter texts me. "God help us all".
  • timmo
    timmo Posts: 1,469
    The. LibDems won their South East seat by only 16 votes.... That was a close call.
  • No_Offence_Alan
    No_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,119
    So the Tories didn't win a single region then? (assuming Labour win London)
  • maaarsh
    maaarsh Posts: 3,602
    Is Jim Waterson standing in a hole? He must be 4foot 10 and 5 stone wet through.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Sky News - claiming that An Independence From Europe cost UKIP a third seat in the South East.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    AveryLP said:

    Hannan speech very impressive, IMHO. Very good. He's making a better UKIP speech than Farage.

    A very intelligent speech with a clear subtext.

    Yes, he's a very intelligent man.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    Hortence But Blair clearly won the 1994 Euros by comparison
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    AndyJS said:

    I alert you that Tower Hamlets have not finished counting the local elections from Thursday...so I am not sure if they will ever finish counting the Euro ballots...

    Yes, they really are a basketcase in every respect.
    A case for primary legislation to put Tower Hamlets under direct rule?
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    With London still to come a tory lead of 80K is not going to be enough. But so close...

    Labour must be disappointed about this.
  • corporeal
    corporeal Posts: 2,549

    corporeal said:

    corporeal said:

    Polling shows growing support for staying in EU.

    Polling isnt voting...
    No, but it's our best information.
    Errr yes...thats why you have a referendum

    So what's your point?

    Mine is that UKIP/Hannan are interpreting the election results as a desire to leave the EU, the polling rejects this.

    Your point is what?
  • marke09
    marke09 Posts: 926
    Retweeted by Britain Elects 2014
    Dan Crawford ‏@dancrawford85 19m

    Beginning to think the polls might open for the General Election before Tower Hamlets finishes counting.
  • RodCrosby
    RodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    UKIP claiming AIFE cost them a seat in the SW...
  • maaarsh
    maaarsh Posts: 3,602
    AndyJS said:

    Sky News - claiming that An Independence From Europe cost UKIP a third seat in the South East.

    South West.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    Fitalass Salmond looking sour on BBC earlier, saying even if Scotland gets a UKIP MEP still a lower UKIP voteshare than rUK
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    AndyJS said:

    Sky News - claiming that An Independence From Europe cost UKIP a third seat in the South East.

    They mean the South West.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    If Con had won that seat in NE instead of Lab then Con would definitely have beaten Lab on seats.
  • maaarsh
    maaarsh Posts: 3,602
    Labour are going to come 2nd, but now it's all about the rounding - if they're stuck on the same 0dp score as the tories it won't look like 2nd in the graphics.
  • maaarsh
    maaarsh Posts: 3,602
    Andrew Lilco needs some media training.
  • david_herdson
    david_herdson Posts: 18,357
    So will Tower Hamlets or the Western Isles declare first (and are these the two most dissimilar councils in the UK?)
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    For me Hannan, Farage and Farron have all been impressive this evening. Labour's spokespeople faded into a uniform, non-descript nothing, Salmond was awful.

    Hung Parliament next year.
  • Quincel
    Quincel Posts: 4,042
    I don't know the figures, but on the BBC map Brighton has turned from Green to Red. Not entirely unexpected, but I'm still unconvinced Lucas can hold on in 2015.
  • maaarsh
    maaarsh Posts: 3,602

    For me Hannan, Farage and Farron have all been impressive this evening. Labour's spokespeople faded into a uniform, non-descript nothing, Salmond was awful.

    Hung Parliament next year.

    Agreed.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    edited May 2014
    Does anyone have a view on how the final GB vote shares might come out at once London is declared?
  • No_Offence_Alan
    No_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,119
    timmo said:

    The. LibDems won their South East seat by only 16 votes.... That was a close call.

    No 16,000. LD 187,000 Labour 342,000. So they were 187000 - (342000 / 2 ) ahead of the second labour candidate.
    In fact the "last" MEP was actually UKIP's 4th - the LDs had just a little more than a quarter of UKIP's vote.

  • JohnO
    JohnO Posts: 4,312
    If the final result is indeed UKIP 29, Lab 24, Con 24, LibDem 7 then none of the polls have really distinguished themselves, although most within the margin of error
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    Danny Alexander Looking shellshocked on BBC, admits an awful night apart from 1 SE MEP
  • HYUFD said:

    Hortence But Blair clearly won the 1994 Euros by comparison


    No, Margaret Beckett did.

  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    I alert you that Tower Hamlets have not finished counting the local elections from Thursday...so I am not sure if they will ever finish counting the Euro ballots...

    Yes, they really are a basketcase in every respect.
    A case for primary legislation to put Tower Hamlets under direct rule?
    We can only hope.
  • SandyRentool
    SandyRentool Posts: 23,156
    Can't be fussed to stay up for London. Green seat must be nailed-on, but what about the LDs?

    Night all...
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    maaarsh said:

    For me Hannan, Farage and Farron have all been impressive this evening. Labour's spokespeople faded into a uniform, non-descript nothing, Salmond was awful.

    Hung Parliament next year.

    Agreed.
    Double agreed. I think that's spot on.

    Danny Alexander doing the 1000yd stare right now..
  • AveryLP
    AveryLP Posts: 7,815
    AndyJS said:

    Sky News - claiming that An Independence From Europe cost UKIP a third seat in the South East.

    Bond, James Bond, to the rescue.

  • AndreaParma_82
    AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Projections from Ity

    PD 41.8%
    5 Stars 21.6
    Forza Italia 16.3
    Lega 6
    Alfano/UDC 4.1
    Tsipras 4.1
    Brothers of Italy 3.4%

    Threshold is at 4%, so 2 lists on the edge
  • GeoffM
    GeoffM Posts: 6,071
    maaarsh said:

    Andrew Lilco needs some media training.

    Why so, maaarsh?
    I didn't see him tonight but he usually comes across okay-ish on tv when I've seen him do wonkish economics interviews.

  • No_Offence_Alan
    No_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,119

    Speedy said:

    So the only regions that UKIP have not won are Scotland, Wales (by a few thousand) and London.

    And the north east!

    And the North West!

  • viewcode
    viewcode Posts: 25,202
    Are the BBC genuinely going to go thru this whole broadcast and not mention Northern Ireland once?
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    edited May 2014
    BBC now has a few London numbers.

    Lab 31
    UKIP 19
    Con 18
    LD 12
    Green 11

    Don't know which boroughs the above relate to.
  • maaarsh
    maaarsh Posts: 3,602
    GeoffM said:

    maaarsh said:

    Andrew Lilco needs some media training.

    Why so, maaarsh?
    I didn't see him tonight but he usually comes across okay-ish on tv when I've seen him do wonkish economics interviews.

    Nervous, verbose, jittery. Surprising given his prose.
  • Carola
    Carola Posts: 1,805
    Danny looks like he's about to cry.
  • RodCrosby
    RodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Nuttall on Sky...
  • AveryLP
    AveryLP Posts: 7,815

    Projections from Ity

    PD 41.8%
    5 Stars 21.6
    Forza Italia 16.3
    Lega 6
    Alfano/UDC 4.1
    Tsipras 4.1
    Brothers of Italy 3.4%

    Threshold is at 4%, so 2 lists on the edge

    That's a good result for Italy, is it not Andrea?

    Comedians in retreat.

  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Does anyone have the current total votes in the areas declared so far?
  • MikeK
    MikeK Posts: 9,053
    PinkNews ‏@pinknews 25m
    Openly gay UKIP MEP elected in Scotland http://p.ink.cx/S7l8o8
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Well, another sterling performance from PB this evening. Top class work one and all.

    A great win for UKIP, not bad for the Tories, pretty poor for Labour, abysmal for the LDs. But we'll all read too much into this vote. What matters for the GE is where the UKIP votes go and how the no-shows on Thursday swing come next May.
  • dugarbandier
    dugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    kjohnw said:

    kjohnw said:

    peter kellner saying no opposition who is behind on leadership ratings AND economy ratings has ever gone on to form a government. i.e. Ed is toast!

    Until Obama the US never had a black president, and has never had a woman president.

    They used to say no team bottom of the English premier league at Christmas could survive..

    straws and clutching methinks !
    not really, I'm not impressed with Ed or the current Labour party. just think these kind of predictions are pretty worthless.

  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    HYUFD said:

    Danny Alexander Looking shellshocked on BBC, admits an awful night apart from 1 SE MEP

    The LDs have won a seat in the SE because it is such a large region with more seats than elsewhere. (I think this is correct but would welcome corrections).
  • GeoffM
    GeoffM Posts: 6,071

    For me Hannan, Farage and Farron have all been impressive this evening. Labour's spokespeople faded into a uniform, non-descript nothing, Salmond was awful.

    Hung Parliament next year.

    Agree with that. Glad you included Farron on that list. Thought he was measured and gave a good response.

  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    Member of LD executive Michael Todd on BBC now calling for Clegg to go
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    Oh Southam you are to much of a spurs supporter. Always on the negative
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    edited May 2014
    London latest:

    Lab 32
    Con 24
    UKIP 17
    Green 10
    LD 9
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2014
    I think UKIP have won 5 regions out of a possible 9 (excluding NI).
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    Feel sorry for Danny! Looks crushed.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Danny Alexander has a face like a slapped arse.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    edited May 2014
    Hortence I think it was quite clear by then Blair was going to win the leadership election, but either way Labour won the Euros as a marker for its general election victory in 1997
  • BobaFett
    BobaFett Posts: 2,789
    @Southam

    With Scotland and London to come it looks like the Tories will finish third in a national election for the first time in their history.
  • MrJones
    MrJones Posts: 3,523
    viewcode said:

    Are the BBC genuinely going to go thru this whole broadcast and not mention Northern Ireland once?

    Their heart is in Brussels.
  • RodCrosby
    RodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Nuttall downplaying UKIP's chances in "Niewirk"...
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    edited May 2014
    Glass of whisky and a revolver on it's way to Clegg?

    (metaphorically speaking of course ;) )
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    MikeL said:

    London latest:

    Lab 32
    Con 24
    UKIP 17
    Green 10
    LD 9

    What does that pump out the forecast national GB totals out?
  • RochdalePioneers
    RochdalePioneers Posts: 30,611
    Beaker following the spin line of "great job by Clegg". Yes, losing 41% of councillors this time and 92% of MEPs is such a triumph
  • perdix
    perdix Posts: 1,806
    AndyJS said:

    Farage looking different tonight somehow. Bigger stature.

    'Cos he's wearing a suit instead of yellow trousers?

  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395

    MikeL said:

    London latest:

    Lab 32
    Con 24
    UKIP 17
    Green 10
    LD 9

    What does that pump out the forecast national GB totals out?
    You'd think those figures with Scotland would put Labour ahead of the Tories overall.
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    AndyJS said:
    That's what smoking and drinking does to you! ;)

  • GeoffM
    GeoffM Posts: 6,071
    MikeK said:

    PinkNews ‏@pinknews 25m
    Openly gay UKIP MEP elected in Scotland http://p.ink.cx/S7l8o8

    That's an interesting volte face.
    They tweeted a couple of days ago that a UKIP MEP in Scotland would set back the LGBT "cause"
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    edited May 2014
    Carola said:

    Havent read the link... does it show UKIP would not win tonight as OGH predicted?

    Dont tell me we won despite the snide move????
  • RodCrosby
    RodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    MikeL said:

    London latest:

    Lab 32
    Con 24
    UKIP 17
    Green 10
    LD 9

    Sounds like Labour are certain to come second in the PV then...

    Meh!
  • HortenceWithering
    HortenceWithering Posts: 145
    edited May 2014
    HYUFD said:

    Hortence I think it was quite clear by then Blair was going to win the leadership election, but either way Labour won the Euros as a marker for its general election victory in 1997

    Margaret Beckett was the acting leader of the Labour Party at the time of the 1994 European Elections.

    William Hague won the 1999 European Elections as a marker for his general election victory in 2001. Oh wait.....er......
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2014
    The media seems to be obsessed with printing photos of Farage looking like a braying horse. I think they must think it will decrease Farage's support but the opposite could be true:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10855972/Ukip-storms-European-elections.html
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809

    MikeL said:

    London latest:

    Lab 32
    Con 24
    UKIP 17
    Green 10
    LD 9

    What does that pump out the forecast national GB totals out?
    Don't know.

    However I think very, very unlikely Lab gets 2 more seats than Con in London.

    So I DECLARE: Con and Lab will tie on seats.

  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    Nick Robinson UKIP gone up by 13% in 75%+ white areas, only 10% in less white areas
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    AndyJS said:

    MikeL said:

    London latest:

    Lab 32
    Con 24
    UKIP 17
    Green 10
    LD 9

    What does that pump out the forecast national GB totals out?
    You'd think those figures with Scotland would put Labour ahead of the Tories overall.
    Looks like it's gong to finish up:

    UKIP 29% Lab 25% Con 24% Green 8% Lib-Dem LOL!

  • corporeal
    corporeal Posts: 2,549

    Beaker following the spin line of "great job by Clegg". Yes, losing 41% of councillors this time and 92% of MEPs is such a triumph

    The party collectively signed off on the coalition. I went, I was there.
  • fitalass
    fitalass Posts: 4,444
    edited May 2014
    Wasn't it Margaret Beckett who was the temporary Leader of Labour party during 1994 when Labour last won the Euro election? Tony Blair had yet to be elected as Labour Leader at this point.
    HYUFD said:

    Hortence But Blair clearly won the 1994 Euros by comparison

  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    London results being held up by what is being described as a "big turnout" in Tower Hamlets, whatever that might mean. I can't possibly imagine what they're referring to.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    >50% turnout in Tower Hamlets?? Hmm.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Dimbleby - "A shambles in Tower Hamlets holding everything up."

    Well said, sir.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    London latest (400,000 votes counted):

    Lab 37
    Con 22
    UKIP 15
    Green 10
    LD 8
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2014
    Tower Hamlets have given up, they're all in the canteen watching David Dimbleby, watching them.

    Waiting for Godot.
  • dyedwoolie
    dyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    GIN1138 said:

    AndyJS said:

    MikeL said:

    London latest:

    Lab 32
    Con 24
    UKIP 17
    Green 10
    LD 9

    What does that pump out the forecast national GB totals out?
    You'd think those figures with Scotland would put Labour ahead of the Tories overall.
    Looks like it's gong to finish up:

    UKIP 29% Lab 25% Con 24% Green 8% Lib-Dem LOL!

    Am I missing something? Even though Labour will do well in London, are the Tories not over performing versus UNS in Scotland? Will that not tip the scales back to the blue camp?

  • MrJones
    MrJones Posts: 3,523
    isam said:

    Carola said:

    Havent read the link... does it show UKIP would not win tonight as OGH predicted?

    Dont tell me we won despite the snide move????
    Sounds like Ukip might have lost more votes through spoiled votes - people voting for AIFE then realising it was wrong, scrubbing it out and then putting a second cross for Ukip - than actual AIFE votes.

    So the difference in lost votes might actually be a lot bigger than it seems.
  • RodCrosby
    RodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    London declaration expected at 2am...
  • GeoffM
    GeoffM Posts: 6,071
    maaarsh said:

    GeoffM said:

    maaarsh said:

    Andrew Lilco needs some media training.

    Why so, maaarsh?
    I didn't see him tonight but he usually comes across okay-ish on tv when I've seen him do wonkish economics interviews.

    Nervous, verbose, jittery. Surprising given his prose.
    Thanks for the reply, appreciated. Yes, I'm more familiar with his writing and soft-ball technical economics interviews in the depths of Sky City reports. Never seen him perform in a bear-pit environment.

  • another_richard
    another_richard Posts: 27,927
    So we're been kept waiting by one set of religious nutters in the Western Isles and another set of religious nutters in Tower Hamlets.

    Night everyone.
  • Y0kel
    Y0kel Posts: 2,307
    Northern Ireland doesn't count until Monday and given the local council results will be pretty much as you were.

    The Conservatives are standing in NI for this Euro election., Be well lucky to grab 10k first preferences.
  • is that right about Margaret Beckett? Cos thats a great pub quiz question: Name the last Labour leader to win a Euro election?
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    London latest (550,000 votes counted):

    Lab 33
    Con 25
    UKIP 17
    Green 10
    LD 7
  • RochdalePioneers
    RochdalePioneers Posts: 30,611
    corporeal said:

    Beaker following the spin line of "great job by Clegg". Yes, losing 41% of councillors this time and 92% of MEPs is such a triumph

    The party collectively signed off on the coalition. I went, I was there.
    And that may have been the right decision at the time. Now that it has literally gutted your party at council level do you agree with the cabal that Clegg should hold on so you can lose a third or more of your councillors running next year, or pull the plug and save something you can rebuild from?
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    RodCrosby said:

    London declaration expected at 2am...

    2am next Thursday, perhaps.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    All Scotland votes are IN the BBC total (except Western Isles).

    Con lead Lab by 80,000 excluding London.
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    edited May 2014

    GIN1138 said:

    AndyJS said:

    MikeL said:

    London latest:

    Lab 32
    Con 24
    UKIP 17
    Green 10
    LD 9

    What does that pump out the forecast national GB totals out?
    You'd think those figures with Scotland would put Labour ahead of the Tories overall.
    Looks like it's gong to finish up:

    UKIP 29% Lab 25% Con 24% Green 8% Lib-Dem LOL!

    Am I missing something? Even though Labour will do well in London, are the Tories not over performing versus UNS in Scotland? Will that not tip the scales back to the blue camp?

    Not sure. The way everyone has been going on about London saving Ed's bacon I just assumed London would get Lab over the line ahead of Con.

    In any case there's really nothing in it and yet again we see Ed Milliband is one of the most ineffective Leaders Of The Opposition in living memory...
  • MrJones
    MrJones Posts: 3,523

    >50% turnout in Tower Hamlets?? Hmm.

    If Lab didn't have postal votes as a cushion Cerise would be running for the airport as we speak.
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