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  • another_richard
    another_richard Posts: 27,927
    AndyJS said:

    Early days, but looking very bad for Labour so far.

    Labour's wwc vote is like ice on a lake.

    Wide but thin.

    EdM is falling through it.
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    MikeK said:

    Labour have all but conceded the council to UKIP

    What was this said about ukip,ukip only take tory votes ;-)

  • toontoon
    toontoon Posts: 14
    Another Essex seat - Nethermayne, has gone to UKIP according to the Echo.
  • hunchman
    hunchman Posts: 2,591
    Well its certainly looking good for UKIP so far. What is extraordinary to me is just how well they're doing, even before the great credit deflation is about to start in earnest. It's been a revelation over the course of the campaign to witness just how out of step the mainstream media have been over the past month. Can't wait for the fall out over the coming fortnight from all of this. Its not as though the political establishment don't deserve it. And what on earth will happen in 12 months time. FPTP is enough of a mess with a strong 3rd party, let alone adding a 4th party into the pot!
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    I didn't have enough on ukip in Thurrock at 16/1
  • marke09
    marke09 Posts: 926
    Sutton Guardian ‏@suttonguardian 1m

    EXCLUSIVE: Lembik Opik threatens to have Nick Clegg removed as leader of the Liberal Democrats - http://www.suttonguardian.co.uk/news/11231964.Lembit_Opik_comes_to_Sutton_Election_count_and_threatens_to_have_Deputy_Prime_Minister_Nick_Clegg_removed/?ref=var_0 …
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    Tyke

    Lets wait and see. If UKIP get 33% of their votes from Labour and 66% from the Tories its in Labours interest to see UKIP get more votes than less.
  • hunchman
    hunchman Posts: 2,591
    Lynne Featherstone putting on a brave show. Got to give her a lot of credit for putting her head on the block tonight.
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    marke09 said:

    Sutton Guardian ‏@suttonguardian 1m

    EXCLUSIVE: Lembik Opik threatens to have Nick Clegg removed as leader of the Liberal Democrats - http://www.suttonguardian.co.uk/news/11231964.Lembit_Opik_comes_to_Sutton_Election_count_and_threatens_to_have_Deputy_Prime_Minister_Nick_Clegg_removed/?ref=var_0 …

    There is always a comedian.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    How is my main green - the Kip con lab tricast looking ?
  • maaarsh
    maaarsh Posts: 3,602
    IOS said:

    Tyke

    Lets wait and see. If UKIP get 33% of their votes from Labour and 66% from the Tories its in Labours interest to see UKIP get more votes than less.

    Your attempt at modelling is far too static. They've had the tory votes for a while - the incremental extra ones will not be coming at that ratio.
  • hunchman
    hunchman Posts: 2,591
    another_richard said:

    AndyJS said:

    Early days, but looking very bad for Labour so far.

    Labour's wwc vote is like ice on a lake.

    Wide but thin.

    EdM is falling through it.
    Absolutely, and serves them right for having such a sneering attitude over the past few years that the rise of UKIP would hurt the Tories far more than them. Well tonight will put a coach and horses through that particular theory!
  • Grandiose
    Grandiose Posts: 2,323
    UKIP still far away from being a general election challenger.

    They'll hope to change that in due course, of course, but until they do the Conservatives will be happy enough that so far they are taking Labour as well as Tory votes.
  • maaarsh
    maaarsh Posts: 3,602
    Pulpstar said:

    How is my main green - the Kip con lab tricast looking ?

    Sweet as a nut, sweet like Tropicana
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Chris Mason @ChrisMasonBBC

    Nethermayne in Basildon now a second seat for UKIP on the council, reports @BBCEssex

  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    edited May 2014
    Just three wards left in Sunderland now
  • felix
    felix Posts: 15,180
    IOS said:

    Tyke

    Lets wait and see. If UKIP get 33% of their votes from Labour and 66% from the Tories its in Labours interest to see UKIP get more votes than less.

    LOL - go and have a lie down m8 - that kind of pathetic spinning is bad for you:))
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,714
    hunchman said:

    Lynne Featherstone putting on a brave show. Got to give her a lot of credit for putting her head on the block tonight.

    I know a 'kipper in Hornsey, who will vote UKIP for everything except for his local MP. Says she's the best think that ever happened to H&WL
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Harry Cole @MrHarryCole

    Multiple sources in Pompey rejoicing that Mike Hancock is almost certainly out.

  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,714
    marke09 said:

    Sutton Guardian ‏@suttonguardian 1m

    EXCLUSIVE: Lembik Opik threatens to have Nick Clegg removed as leader of the Liberal Democrats - http://www.suttonguardian.co.uk/news/11231964.Lembit_Opik_comes_to_Sutton_Election_count_and_threatens_to_have_Deputy_Prime_Minister_Nick_Clegg_removed/?ref=var_0 …

    Is he going to order in an asteroid strike?
  • peter_from_putney
    peter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    marke09 said:

    Sutton Guardian ‏@suttonguardian 1m

    EXCLUSIVE: Lembik Opik threatens to have Nick Clegg removed as leader of the Liberal Democrats - http://www.suttonguardian.co.uk/news/11231964.Lembit_Opik_comes_to_Sutton_Election_count_and_threatens_to_have_Deputy_Prime_Minister_Nick_Clegg_removed/?ref=var_0 …

    Clegg must be quaking in his boots ..... NOT!

  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    Felix

    I am not spinning. I am saying lets wait for the results. Sunderland is almost finished. UKIP have hardly won all the seats have they?
  • david_herdson
    david_herdson Posts: 18,357
    IOS said:

    Tyke

    Lets wait and see. If UKIP get 33% of their votes from Labour and 66% from the Tories it's in Labour's interest to see UKIP get more votes than less.

    Even accepting that 'if', that's still only true until the point at which they take so many votes they start winning seats.
  • Grandiose
    Grandiose Posts: 2,323
    peter_from_putney said:

    marke09 said:

    Sutton Guardian ‏@suttonguardian 1m

    EXCLUSIVE: Lembik Opik threatens to have Nick Clegg removed as leader of the Liberal Democrats - http://www.suttonguardian.co.uk/news/11231964.Lembit_Opik_comes_to_Sutton_Election_count_and_threatens_to_have_Deputy_Prime_Minister_Nick_Clegg_removed/?ref=var_0 …

    Clegg must be quaking in his boots ..... NOT!

    I'm surprised Clegg hasn't secretly bribed Opik to stand against him, thereby allowing Clegg to win and silence any further rumours.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    edited May 2014
    Sunderland done, I make it:

    LAB - 63
    CON - 8
    IND - 4
  • another_richard
    another_richard Posts: 27,927
    maaarsh said:

    IOS said:

    Tyke

    Lets wait and see. If UKIP get 33% of their votes from Labour and 66% from the Tories its in Labours interest to see UKIP get more votes than less.

    Your attempt at modelling is far too static. They've had the tory votes for a while - the incremental extra ones will not be coming at that ratio.
    Exactly.

    Beyond a certain point, 10%? 15%?, UKIP takes more votes from Labour than the Conservatives.
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    David

    They're not wining seats much though are they. They will win a 100+ councillors. Labour will gain more.
  • nigel4england
    nigel4england Posts: 4,800
    another_richard said:

    AndyJS said:

    Early days, but looking very bad for Labour so far.

    Labour's wwc vote is like ice on a lake.

    Wide but thin.

    EdM is falling through it.
    Been saying that for ages, I recall one idiot on here a couple of months ago disputing the fact that there is even such a thing as a WWC,
    .
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,457
    BBC graphics now counting LibDems as "others"? lol!
  • peter_from_putney
    peter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    bigjohnowls said:

    Seats so far Lab 63, Tory 8 or if your watching fatty Boulton its still nil nil LOL

    I haven't seen Boulton for a year or so - he certainly looks as though he's been putting away a few pies in the meantime!
  • Blueberry
    Blueberry Posts: 408
    Pitsea North West (Basildon) Result:
    UKIP - 45.1%
    LAB - 35.4%
    CON - 16.7%
    LDEM - 2.8%
  • ukLibertarian
    ukLibertarian Posts: 16
    Pitsea North West (Basildon) Result: UKIP - 45.1% LAB - 35.4% CON - 16.7% LDEM - 2.8%
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    So all the excitement about UKIP in Sunderland = 0 seats.


    I have no doubt that UKIP will make gains off Labour tonight but the reaction on here is way off base!
  • Eh_ehm_a_eh
    Eh_ehm_a_eh Posts: 552
    Score one for UKIP in BasildonPitsea North West (Basildon) Result:

    UKIP - 45.1%
    LAB - 35.4%
    CON - 16.7%
    LDEM - 2.8%

  • maaarsh
    maaarsh Posts: 3,602
    To conclude IOS's review of the season, Crystal Palace have had a worse season than Man U because they finished lower in the league.
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    It is looking as if the emanations from Jacks ARSE are worth considering.

    "Ed Miliband will never be Prime Minister"
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Chris Mason @ChrisMasonBBC

    Conservatives report they have taken St Peters ward in Sunderland from Labour

  • Grandiose
    Grandiose Posts: 2,323
    MarqueeMark said:

    BBC graphics now counting LibDems as "others"? lol!

    It's on a sort of rolling thing. Strange, really.
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    Nigel.

    UKIP = ZERO seats in Sunderland. Ed Miliband and Labour standing firm there....
  • maaarsh
    maaarsh Posts: 3,602
    Chuka calling Nige a racist. Is this in their talking points?
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    IOS said:

    So all the excitement about UKIP in Sunderland = 0 seats.



    I have no doubt that UKIP will make gains off Labour tonight but the reaction on here is way off base!

    Second place is first loser.
  • marke09
    marke09 Posts: 926
    SKY News giving false results - Broxbourne was Labour gain BBC say Con Hold
  • david_herdson
    david_herdson Posts: 18,357
    IOS said:

    David

    They're not wining seats much though are they. They will win a 100+ councillors. Labour will gain more.

    Labour should gain more. They're the only major Westminster party in opposition against a government that's been running an austerity regime for four years and whose two parties have both pissed off parts of their own support. Labour has any number of structural advantages, from history to finance to logistics. The question for Labour is why UKIP are gaining any.
  • toontoon
    toontoon Posts: 14
    Did Chuka just call Farage a racist?
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    marke09 said:

    SKY News giving false results - Broxbourne was Labour gain BBC say Con Hold

    Broxbourne is most definitely a CON hold.
  • marke09
    marke09 Posts: 926
    Elizabeth Evans ‏@CllrEvans 2m

    Ceredigion Euro Turnout 37%
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    Maaarsh

    Fair point. Who will have a better 2015?
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,074
    Tykejohnno said:


    Chris Mason @ChrisMasonBBC

    Nethermayne in Basildon now a second seat for UKIP on the council, reports @BBCEssex


    I've walked down Nethermayne, last year and back in 2005.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    @SebastianEPayne: According to a Tory source in Sunderland: Ukip are taking 2 Labour votes for 1 Tory. Net result: one Tory gain. Still a spoiling influence
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    I do enjoy a bit of Mogg.
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    foxinsoxuk said:

    It is looking as if the emanations from Jacks ARSE are worth considering.

    "Ed Miliband will never be Prime Minister"

    They are always worth considering .... even more so at 12:43am

  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,457
    Grandiose said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    BBC graphics now counting LibDems as "others"? lol!

    It's on a sort of rolling thing. Strange, really.
    I was looking at the graphic of where the UKIP vote had come from....
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    I always study your ARSE with interest, purely professional interest of course!
    JackW said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    It is looking as if the emanations from Jacks ARSE are worth considering.

    "Ed Miliband will never be Prime Minister"

    They are always worth considering .... even more so at 12:43am

  • nigel4england
    nigel4england Posts: 4,800
    IOS said:

    Nigel.

    UKIP = ZERO seats in Sunderland. Ed Miliband and Labour standing firm there....

    Ed Miliband and Labour standing firm nowhere.

    You missed your chance when Purnell quit, nobody with half a brain cell would even consider voting for Ed.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    Barbara Roche just started speaking on Sky News and my cat threw up on the kitchen floor

    Alexandra Swann is beautiful

    Rees-Mogg is a class act
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    SHAPPS!

    Best thing the guy has ever said.
  • felix
    felix Posts: 15,180
    Acc to the guardian Labour are conceding that they have failed to gain Swindon.
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Janan Ganesh ✔ @JananGanesh

    Time for a Labour pact with Ukip

  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    felix said:

    Acc to the guardian Labour are conceding that they have failed to gain Swindon.

    CON gain Covingham and Dorcan, so no surprise.
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    Nigel

    Look at the others figure. UKIP got a load of people that didn't like Labour to vote for UKIP. Labour stayed on a vote share that is enough for Labour to win the council and the parliamentary seats.

    These are the facts of the first results. Now lets wait for the rest.
  • Oliver_PB
    Oliver_PB Posts: 397
    Happy UKIP day everybody!
  • hunchman
    hunchman Posts: 2,591
    felix said:

    Acc to the guardian Labour are conceding that they have failed to gain Swindon.

    Good to see that they took due notice of Mr Miliband's esteemed performance there!
  • maaarsh
    maaarsh Posts: 3,602
    IOS said:

    Nigel

    Look at the others figure. UKIP got a load of people that didn't like Labour to vote for UKIP. Labour stayed on a vote share that is enough for Labour to win the council and the parliamentary seats.

    These are the facts of the first results. Now lets wait for the rest.

    Labour have matched their vote share from 2009/10.

    Sounds like a great platform to achieve a 6% gain in the GE vs that same time period.

    Dizzy yet?
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,457
    edited May 2014
    IOS, we are in the unusual situation where two of the three major parties are in Government. However, rather than the third party, Labour, hoovering up the protest votes against the Govt. of the day, it has so little appeal to voters that the voters have effectively gone off and formed a fourth party to be the new opposition.

    If that counts as an acceptable night, it may be time for bed!
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    edited May 2014
    Rees Mogg... join UKIP!!
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    2010 was a general election year when turnout is a lot better from Labour supporters. If you don't appreciate that we have a long way to go.
  • nigel4england
    nigel4england Posts: 4,800
    IOS said:

    Nigel

    Look at the others figure. UKIP got a load of people that didn't like Labour to vote for UKIP. Labour stayed on a vote share that is enough for Labour to win the council and the parliamentary seats.

    These are the facts of the first results. Now lets wait for the rest.

    I agree let us wait for the rest.

    As I have a demanding job I am off to bed now, tomorrow you can tell me what a great night it was for Labour.
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    I want to know which council UKIP have won off Labour?
  • fitalass
    fitalass Posts: 4,444
    edited May 2014
    I still remember that Friday hangover. :) But the best GE nights that I stayed up for remain 1979 and 1992, still amazed my parents let me watch the 79' GE result unfold into the wee hours on a school night. My Mum now tells me that despite my differing politics, they were quite impressed with my passionate interest and views on politics because they were so different from either families traditional ones, and they wanted to encourage me. And in 92', it was brilliant watching the predictions/polls unwind as the night went on, it was also the last time I voted Conservative and got a Conservative MP too! It still feels a bit weird that my constituency back then, Aberdeen South, was in fact the only Conservative gain from Labour during the whole GE results night.
    foxinsoxuk said:

    Election night is exciting.

    I missed the best one in 2010, being away running a teaching course. Shall book Friday off next year.

  • MarkSenior
    MarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Swindon so far 4 Con hold 4 Lab hold 1 LD hold and 1 Con gain from Labour
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Andrew Neil ✔ @afneil

    BBC talking about Tories needing a pact with UKIP. But on evidence of night so far it might be Labour needs UKIP pact more!

  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    IOS said:

    I want to know which council UKIP have won off Labour?

    I thought the rumour was Hull?
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,457
    MarkSenior said:

    Swindon so far 4 Con hold 4 Lab hold 1 LD hold and 1 Con gain from Labour

    If only Ed had known the Swindon Labour leader's name, it could have all been so different....
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    Ok Rob.

    Let's see if UKIP win hull council.
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Peter Henley @BBCPeterH

    Leader of Conservative Group on Portsmouth Council @DonnaPCC says she will offer cabinet posts to UKIP to get control pic.twitter.com/fFRLGo238e

  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2014
    We have our first full council result from Sunderland:

    Votes:

    Lab: 32,344
    UKIP: 16,961
    Con: 13,571
    Ind: 2,674
    LD: 2,569
    Green: 1,263
    Others: 424

    Percentages:

    Lab: 46.33%
    UKIP: 24.30%
    Con: 19.44%
    Ind: 3.83%
    LD: 3.68%
    Green: 1.81%
    Others: 0.61%

    Changes since 2010 locals:

    Lab -2.64%
    UKIP +24.30%
    Con -5.76%
    Ind -0.14%
    LD -14.57%
    Green +1.53%

    Swing, 1.56% from Con to Lab
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Tristram Hunt on QT, Ed Miliband as leader and now Chuka . No wonder Labour is losing its WWC
  • taffys
    taffys Posts: 9,753
    Let's see if UKIP win hull council.

    LOL
  • MarkSenior
    MarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    edited May 2014
    RobD said:

    IOS said:

    I want to know which council UKIP have won off Labour?

    I thought the rumour was Hull?
    They would not win Hull council even if they won every ward tonight , only 1/3rd of the council is up today .
  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,312
    Vine about to do a prat fall.
  • ukLibertarian
    ukLibertarian Posts: 16
    David Prescott @DavidPrescott · 7m

    Hearing Ukip MIGHT not have got that council seat in Hull after all! Very, very close. Recount
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    MarkSenior said:

    RobD said:

    IOS said:

    I want to know which council UKIP have won off Labour?

    I thought the rumour was Hull?
    They would not win Hull council even if they won every ward tonight , only 1/3rd of the council is up today .
    That is a good point, I have it down as a LAB hold already.
    I might regret adding UKIP to the council totals afterall...
  • toontoon
    toontoon Posts: 14
    Thurrock seat of Aveley and Uplands, Tory candidate is claiming that UKIP has won there.
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    Taffys

    Labour seem to have won the only two seats they expected to win. The rest are UKIPs right?
  • MarkSenior
    MarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    First 4 Hull results are all Labour holds
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    Mark

    Maybe it is just excitable UKIP fans getting carried away and not waiting for results?
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Ross Hawkins @rosschawkins

    UKIP averaging something like 43% in Basildon

  • taffys
    taffys Posts: 9,753
    The rest are UKIPs right?

    I wasn't laughing at your comment IoS - but the notion of UKIP sweeping hull....
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Justin Tomlinson MP ✔ @JTomlinsonMP

    Massive swing to us to GAIN the Covingham seat from Labour - brilliant Cllr Kevin Parry! #VoteBlue

  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    This is looking like a pretty grim night for Labour?
  • Eh_ehm_a_eh
    Eh_ehm_a_eh Posts: 552
    LibDems taking a Clockwork Orange type of kicking.
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    UKIP in Portsmouth, seemingly doing well. Big military and dockyard vote with interesting prospects for a by election.

    Good night all!
  • hunchman
    hunchman Posts: 2,591
    Chuka looking very gloomy, presume his pager updates not putting him in the best of moods! Purple tie a deliberate choice for tonight?!
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    Taffys

    That's what everyone was posting on here!!
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    IOS said:

    Taffys

    That's what everyone was posting on here!!

    Eh that may have been due to me misremembering what the rumour actually was. Busy collating results for everyones pleasure ;-)
  • Stark_Dawning
    Stark_Dawning Posts: 10,202
    UKIP lose seat in Tyneside.
  • toontoon
    toontoon Posts: 14
    The Echo reporting leader of Basildon Council has lost his Wickford seat
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2014
    First result from Birmingham and UKIP just miss out in Longbridge:

    Lab 1669
    Con 1598
    UKIP 1544
    Green 238
    LD 157
    TUSC 55

  • ukLibertarian
    ukLibertarian Posts: 16
    Ukip's David Platt wins Hodd Town and Rye Park after full recount. 898 votes for him, Con 869, Lab 402
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Birmingham live blog:

    http://birminghamnewsroom.com/2014/05/2014-local-elections-ward-by-ward/
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