Interesting tweet quoting Prof Curtice: "John Curtice: "It looks as though it will be another night of substantial Lib Dem losses" Vote down 17, 10 and 9 pts in 3 Sunderland wards".
But these were wards where the Lib Dems weren't particularly in contention. If the Sunderland figures are typical of LD performance in their mid-range seats, we should get a good dry run of the general election as to whether they can out-perform their national decline where it matters - i.e. where they're strong.
Any bookies got odds up for which of the kippers on here is going to be first to have a stroke tonight?
Charming
Do you not feel that some people are being a little over excited? The way things are going the least that can be expected will be a severe attack of the vapours.
Any bookies got odds up for which of the kippers on here is going to be first to have a stroke tonight?
Charming
Do you not feel that some people are being a little over excited? The way things are going the least that can be expected will be a severe attack of the vapours.
Declaration of Result of Poll St Michael`s Ward on Thursday, 22 May 2014 Name of Candidate Votes Election of a City Councillor for P Vincent Gray COSTELLO UK Independence Party (UK I P) 606 Michael DIXON The Conservative Party Candidate 1,501 Rachel Sara FEATHERSTONE Green Party Candidate 250 Zafer IQBAL Labour Party Candidate 866 Andrew WOOD Liberal Democrats 131
Any bookies got odds up for which of the kippers on here is going to be first to have a stroke tonight?
Charming
Do you not feel that some people are being a little over excited? The way things are going the least that can be expected will be a severe attack of the vapours.
I haven't really been looking, I've been out.
Just a bit distasteful to say what you said IMO but free speech and all that I guess
Chuka pushing lies about ukip on bbc right now.. It's a catching disease
Never thought I'd be saying this about a Lib Dem, but Lynne Featherstone hits the nail on the head. The main reason for Farage's rise is he actually sounds like a humanbeing and says what he thinks in...simple words, not being relentlessly "on message" parrotting vacuous slogans and playing games for the supposed "centre ground".
Interesting tweet quoting Prof Curtice: "John Curtice: "It looks as though it will be another night of substantial Lib Dem losses" Vote down 17, 10 and 9 pts in 3 Sunderland wards".
But these were wards where the Lib Dems weren't particularly in contention. If the Sunderland figures are typical of LD performance in their mid-range seats, we should get a good dry run of the general election as to whether they can out-perform their national decline where it matters - i.e. where they're strong.
Sunderland tells us that there is substantial 'not Labour' vote. It has switched from the Lib Dems to UKIP but hasn't threatened the incumbent.
The Conservatives have held off the threat from UKIP. Their one loss so far was on a smallish swing to Labour.
Rather bemusing to see in Sunderland UKIP up 24% mostly coming from the Lib-Dems (down 15%). They stand for completely different things. On Europe and almost everything else they couldn't be further apart yet I bet some people now voting UKIP voted LD last time. They're protest votes.
Rather bemusing to see in Sunderland UKIP up 24% mostly coming from the Lib-Dems (down 15%). They stand for completely different things. On Europe and almost everything else they couldn't be further apart yet I bet some people now voting UKIP voted LD last time. They're protest votes.
Quite so. Even with the overblown LD hatred that runs rampant in some areas, I don't think anyone predicted just how much of the LD vote around the country was just soft protest voting.
Interesting tweet quoting Prof Curtice: "John Curtice: "It looks as though it will be another night of substantial Lib Dem losses" Vote down 17, 10 and 9 pts in 3 Sunderland wards".
But these were wards where the Lib Dems weren't particularly in contention. If the Sunderland figures are typical of LD performance in their mid-range seats, we should get a good dry run of the general election as to whether they can out-perform their national decline where it matters - i.e. where they're strong.
Sunderland tells us that there is substantial 'not Labour' vote. It has switched from the Lib Dems to UKIP but hasn't threatened the incumbent.
The Conservatives have held off the threat from UKIP. Their one loss so far was on a smallish swing to Labour.
Farage is strutting but no one is saluting.
If straw clutching was an Olympic sport Avery would be UK captain.
Will be interesting to see Con and Lab spinning how a UKIP win is really a bigger disaster for the other lot and not themselves, which was a 'good result in the circumstances' no doubt.
Rather bemusing to see in Sunderland UKIP up 24% mostly coming from the Lib-Dems (down 15%). They stand for completely different things. On Europe and almost everything else they couldn't be further apart yet I bet some people now voting UKIP voted LD last time. They're protest votes.
median income economic centrist, originally culture war neutral, fed up of Lab, won't vote Con for 80s/90s reasons, turned cultural right over EU immigration
"Petra Silfverskiold @petra_nep Retweeted by Hetton: John Cummings for Labour elected with 1,470, followed by UKIP's John Defty with 1,351 #Elections2014"
Rather bemusing to see in Sunderland UKIP up 24% mostly coming from the Lib-Dems (down 15%). They stand for completely different things. On Europe and almost everything else they couldn't be further apart yet I bet some people now voting UKIP voted LD last time. They're protest votes.
Quite so. Even with the overblown LD hatred that runs rampant in some areas, I don't think anyone predicted just how much of the LD vote around the country was just soft protest voting.
Worth remembering that these seats were last fought in 2010, when the Lib Dems won strong support in many council seats off the back of Clegg's performance in the GE, in seats they hadn't previously challenged in, so there'd probably have been some falling off even if the national VI figures were the same as then, just because of the nature of the 25% or so who vote at a GE but not a local.
"Petra Silfverskiold @petra_nep Retweeted by Hetton: John Cummings for Labour elected with 1,470, followed by UKIP's John Defty with 1,351 #Elections2014"
It is a sad spectacle. Like an old man trying to relive lost glories. So nearly there.
"Petra Silfverskiold @petra_nep Retweeted by Hetton: John Cummings for Labour elected with 1,470, followed by UKIP's John Defty with 1,351 #Elections2014"
It is a sad spectacle. Like an old man trying to relive lost glories. So nearly there.
Having fought them tooth and nail in the past I must admit to suffering from the old stereotype of the L/Ds as a "resilient" group who would withstand most of the hits.Hence,a 4-1 bet on them getting the one. This could be their worst nightmare. Just how secure will Clegg be on Sunday night?I suggest he will be at his most vulnerable which is exactly the time for,possibly Vince,aided and abetted by 2 previous of their leaders who have both been shafted themselves,to do his Brutus impression.
"Petra Silfverskiold @petra_nep Retweeted by Hetton: John Cummings for Labour elected with 1,470, followed by UKIP's John Defty with 1,351 #Elections2014"
It is a sad spectacle. Like an old man trying to relive lost glories. So nearly there.
Well. Wait and see the full election results. UKIP are just collecting the anti Labour vote under their banner. Won't stop Labour winning northern marginals. We need to look at the marginals.
SKY News is usually pretty good at election time but tonight they are very slow - have only had 1 tweet about Sunderland since 10pm and the onscreen ticker shows 1 council have declared but with no seats won
This news coming at the same time as the Tories are solidly beaten by UKIP in the Euro will surely force Cameron to act. People in wealthy metropolitan circles think of immigration as this difficult issue that flares up now and again, but they forget about it when the newspapers aren't running with it for a while. But as long as half a million people turn up in this country every year, it's going to continue to drive people's politics. Most people in this country actually quite like British culture, and they can tell it's getting diluted year on year. Any Conservative party that doesn't get a grip on this will just do poorer and poorer.
Even if EU rules permitted changes to immigration from the EU, the LibDems and Labour would not vote for change. You need the votes in parliament even to defy the EU. For non-EU immigration the rules have been tightened significantly. How many of these are students?
Well. Wait and see the full election results. UKIP are just collecting the anti Labour vote under their banner. Won't stop Labour winning northern marginals. We need to look at the marginals.
That's a change of tone, not as confident as normal. But as you say we'll see. I expect a certain Mr Hodges will be penning a column as we speak.
If true that would be astonishing , Labour got 88% of the vote in this ward in 2012 . No results have been announced for this council yet
Well the incumbent has conceded.
I don't doubt your rapid reaction fire fighting of dodgy twitter rumours is valuable, but wouldn't the time be better spent working out why your party is steadily dying as a viable electoral force?
The official score is 24 Lab - UKIP 1 We know that UKIP are going to make around 100 gains tonight. Some will be from Labour, more will be from the Tories. In a FPTP system that makes Labour the winner.
But lets see how UKIP do in places like Rotherham which they have gone hell for leather for.
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But these were wards where the Lib Dems weren't particularly in contention. If the Sunderland figures are typical of LD performance in their mid-range seats, we should get a good dry run of the general election as to whether they can out-perform their national decline where it matters - i.e. where they're strong.
St Michael`s Ward
on Thursday, 22 May 2014
Name of Candidate
Votes
Election of a City Councillor for
P
Vincent Gray COSTELLO
UK Independence Party (UK I P)
606
Michael DIXON
The Conservative Party Candidate
1,501
Rachel Sara FEATHERSTONE
Green Party Candidate
250
Zafer IQBAL
Labour Party Candidate
866
Andrew WOOD
Liberal Democrats
131
St Michael's (Sunderland)
CON - 44.8%
LAB - 25.8%
UKIP - 18.1%
GRN - 7.5%
LDEM - 3.9%
Just a bit distasteful to say what you said IMO but free speech and all that I guess
Chuka pushing lies about ukip on bbc right now.. It's a catching disease
All results declared so far - including st. michael's http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=3432
So far they're showing 0 swing in Sunderland despite a surge in UKIP which should be hurting the tories more (folk wisdom).
Looking very very poor for Ed.
The Conservatives have held off the threat from UKIP. Their one loss so far was on a smallish swing to Labour.
Farage is strutting but no one is saluting.
Easy tiger - its very early doors....
Mannington & Western (Swindon): LAB WIN.
#RUMOUR UKIP has GAINED Southchurch in Southend
#RUMOUR UKIP has GAINED Southchurch in Southend
The Sunderland results suggest that it may have been a rather good tip.
Unless there is a particular local issue?
Night all.
Labour 3rd in the Euros at this race.
Tories bullish in Swindon. Labour may go backwards.
"Petra Silfverskiold @petra_nep Retweeted by
Hetton: John Cummings for Labour elected with 1,470, followed by UKIP's John Defty with 1,351 #Elections2014"
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At91c3wX1Wu5dFRlQ250bWgzS2JQZDRxcjVfa0lOdmc&usp=sheets_web#gid=0
http://goo.gl/4AJwpD
UKIP GAIN
UKIP GAIN
http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=3432
But I have to say:
There's no such place as Dannington, Doncaster
Doncaster is counting tomorrow.
I think it would be for the best if people only give actual results and not this repetition of tweets from fantasists.
You'll have to learn to digest soggy bread.
UKIP need seats not increased vote shares where Labour and Conservatives win.
This could be their worst nightmare.
Just how secure will Clegg be on Sunday night?I suggest he will be at his most vulnerable which is exactly the time for,possibly Vince,aided and abetted by 2 previous of their leaders who have both been shafted themselves,to do his Brutus impression.
Tories have GAINED St Peter's ward in Sunderland from Labour.
Labour won this ward in 2010, on the same day as the general election.
I've never experienced any political show as biased in my entire life as the BBC tonight. Anti Labour pro UKIP. The BBC simply love UKIP."
https://twitter.com/IanLaveryMP
CON - 50.9%
UKIP - 21.4%
LAB - 21.2%
LDEM - 6.5%
So that radio appearance went, err, well?
Peter Henley @BBCPeterH
Labour Group leader in Portsmouth @John_Ferrett says UKIP are causing "mayhem" in Portsmouth pic.twitter.com/Otxq8XTBmh
I missed the best one in 2010, being away running a teaching course. Shall book Friday off next year.
LabourList @LabourList
BBC reporting that Labour will lose Great Yarmouth council tomorrow. That's another important marginal #liveblog http://ow.ly/xahaM
Well. Wait and see the full election results. UKIP are just collecting the anti Labour vote under their banner. Won't stop Labour winning northern marginals. We need to look at the marginals.
Michael Heaver @Michael_Heaver
UKIP have so far gained a seat in Hull and Basildon
Peter Henley @BBCPeterH
Rumours that former Lib Dem MP Mike Hancock has lost his council seat to UKIP in Portsmouth pic.twitter.com/kvTyd3sf9q
I don't doubt your rapid reaction fire fighting of dodgy twitter rumours is valuable, but wouldn't the time be better spent working out why your party is steadily dying as a viable electoral force?
Wow. Simply wow. Labour being punished for taking its WWC vote for granted for decades?
The official score is 24 Lab - UKIP 1 We know that UKIP are going to make around 100 gains tonight. Some will be from Labour, more will be from the Tories. In a FPTP system that makes Labour the winner.
But lets see how UKIP do in places like Rotherham which they have gone hell for leather for.
What about the pollsters having labour on 35% plus for 2015....blimey....Yougov etc....