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Today sees the sternest test for David Cameron out of any local election he has so far had to face. The 2009 local elections were a complete Conservative triumph.
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Why are you bringing this up?
Squirrel!! etcetera.
LOL
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Are those up to date numbers Mike?
We were just talking about Hampshire County council and the surprising number of lib dems on it. According to the county council site there are 24 lib dems and a green.
http://www3.hants.gov.uk/yourcountycouncillors.htm
EDIT - Probably been some local by-elections since then to be fair which would explain it.0 -
This is a local election for local people! There's nothing for you here!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/clips/p006vm6j/the_league_of_gentlemen_a_local_shop_for_local_people/0 -
FPT:
Detailed descriptions of Cornish electoral divisions can be found at this blog:
http://catholicleft.blogspot.co.uk/0 -
The Tories could lose control of Staffordshire despite holding 49 out of 62 seats. Current composition: Con 49, UKIP 4, LD 4, Lab 3, Ind 2.0
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Great charts. So I don't need to have 100 windows open at the same time.
That's for Plato. Mrs Bluebell Wood is busy taking pics of cats in South Shields.
https://twitter.com/SarahChampionMP/status/330012596570832897/photo/1
I suppose Labour believe they have won...otherwise they should spend the last few hours in a better way than tweeting this:
"Just canvassed the best garden ever on #labourdoorstep with @SarahChampionMP & @PaulUpex in South Shields @shieldslabour"0 -
The Green is a LD defectorMick_Pork said:
According to the county council site there are 24 lib dems and a green.Probably been some local by-elections since then to be fair which would explain it.
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Can we have footage of the happy masses rushing back from voting for ed and rejoicing over his sweep into power all over the one nation ?0
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Thanks for compiling the data for us - roll on the counts!0
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Sorry for asking the obvious but is South Shields declaring tonight?0
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tim,
"If we got rid of 10,000 migrants, who would do the work?"
Typical Tory spin. Of course the farmers are keen on mass immigration, they work hard, are cheap and they don't complain. It makes a lot of financial sense.
I'm just surprised that you've embraced the dark side of Tory-ism.0 -
Looks like the BBC aren't doing an election night programme this year, so we won't get to see the 2013 version of Mings Bling or Cowboy Clegg?0
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Have the "like"/"dislike" buttons gone for good?0
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Andrea
What is your estimate of the turnout excluding postal votes in South Shields?AndreaParma_82 said:Great charts. So I don't need to have 100 windows open at the same time.
That's for Plato. Mrs Bluebell Wood is busy taking pics of cats in South Shields.
https://twitter.com/SarahChampionMP/status/330012596570832897/photo/1
I suppose Labour believe they have won...otherwise they should spend the last few hours in a better way than tweeting this:
"Just canvassed the best garden ever on #labourdoorstep with @SarahChampionMP & @PaulUpex in South Shields @shieldslabour"0 -
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@tim
Tim you are obviously an intelligent person, so I would like you to consider this...
You may well be right that people want lower crime, higher standards of education, more maternity wards, whatever it may be, and it may be true that mass immigration has improved the UK in all these areas, you obviously know better than I.
But the point that I, and I think many other anti mass immigration people would argue, is that human beings also value their sense of belonging, and it isnt a factor that stats telling of "improvement" in all areas can brush aside.
Lets say someone is complaining that their house is drafty, the brickwork is crumbling, and the lawn is untidy, and they could do with sorting it out. "tim" home improvements services overhears this in the pub, and offers his services. He goes to the house, boards up the windows, pebble dashes the brickwork and paves over the lawn. The homeowner fills out a form afterwards admitting that their home is less drafty, the brickwork is no longer crumnbling and the problem with the long grass and bushes has gone.. You think, "Job done", but they are miserable, they dont recognise their home anymore, cant see out of the windows, hate the pebbledashing and they miss their garden..
You may scoff, but plenty of people feel this way, including many people from immigrant descended families...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/feb/27/support-poll-support-far-right0 -
Yes according to this article:Sunil_Prasannan said:Sorry for asking the obvious but is South Shields declaring tonight?
"Polling stations will stay open until 10pm when the count will begin at Temple Park Leisure Centre, with the final count expected at around 3am."
http://tyneandwear.sky.com/news/article/65640/south-shields-by-election-d-day-who-will-replace-david-miliband0 -
These new charts are really brilliant.
As a Scot I just don't think enough of real interest is reporting tonight. I will wake up and face the carnage in the morning.
One very minor plus for the tories is that LA results dribbling in the next day tend to escape the attention of all bar the anoraks.
Silver linings and all that.0 -
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There are some former MPs standing today. For ex.
David Barrow (Labour, South Ribble) is standing in Lancashire. It's one of the Preston wards. He should win it. He's already a District Cllr.
Charlotte Atkins (Labour, Staffs Moorland). She's standing in a difficult ward. She's a District Cllr since 2012 too.
Richard Younger Ross (LD, Teignbridge) is standing a Con-LD marginal in Devon.
Labour Lords Leader Baroness Royall is standing in Gloucestershire. I think she's a paperish candidate in a Forest of Dean division.
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Have we really given up on the like and agree functions because of the childish and petty behaviour of two posters?
Disappointing.0 -
The Sun finally lets its readers decide who to vote for
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/sun_says/4508014/The-Sun-says-NHS-mess.html0 -
In the Court of Protection and Family Division of the High Court of Justice tomorrow:
Before Lord Judge CJ & Sir James Munby P
For the issue of practical guidance on committal for contempt of court0 -
@Avery
On another place, Andy estimated the postals being 40-45% of the total. I thought they can be 50-55%.
It depend on the overall turnout.
At GE it was 50%. I think it can go down to 40% which would be around 24-25,000 votes0 -
Betfair, South Shields:
Lab 1.01
UKIP 26
Con 1000
LD 1000
Other 140
http://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/market?id=1.108815447&oldios=safe0 -
Kelvin Mackenzie - It is time for a southern party
http://playpolitical.typepad.com/all_sorts/2013/05/watch-kelvin-mackenzie-declares-that-its-time-for-a-southern-party.html0 -
It appears that I can't do anything bar Quote you now.DavidL said:Have we really given up on the like and agree functions because of the childish and petty behaviour of two posters?
Disappointing.
Really? I'm at a loss if moderators can't cope with a minor single thread spat that I certainly don't give a toss about.0 -
I think we might see history in the making tonight with UKIP.0
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p.s. on the thread spat, it was utterly childish from those involved and nearly made me go elsewhere. Grow up.0
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"that I certainly don't give a toss about"
Hmmm. So we noticed. At quite some length.0 -
Sam, if the weather improves, Tim will attribute it to mass immigration.
Mass immigration is tim's form of religious fundamentalism.0 -
In the sense of historically good results for them? A fairly safe assumption.Ricardohos said:I think we might see history in the making tonight with UKIP.
Everything depends on the scale of course. Good as they will do that's not quite the same as sweeping all before them which I don't think even Farage would claim is on the cards. The Kippers need to adjust their expectations just a trifle if they think every council is going to go purple.
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p.p.s. And don't underestimate the effect of HS2. I have a number of Conservative friends who say they will never vote for them again, and whose allegiance has gone to UKIP.0
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Talking about history in the making....Harriet Harman probably edits the Shield Gazette
"History could also be made if Labour’s Coun Emma Lewell-Buck takes the seat – she would be the town’s first woman MP."0 -
Twitter is a great resource tonight - I'm expecting #LE2013 to be a good hashtag to start off with but who knows what will prove popular with the Twitterati0
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Interesting set of results today. I disagree with Robert Smithson when he predicts a UKIP win in south shields but obviously its going to be very difficult when the opposition collapses around one party. It might be very tight but Labour should just about cling on.0
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If Ukip win in south shields I will be nice to Tim for a month.0
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The problem is that the benefits are generalised (the economy as a whole is bigger/more efficient) while the costs are specific (wage pressure on the lower-skilled)tim said:@CD13
I support the free movement of labour within the EU as Thatcher Nd Blair did.
The protectionists armed with anecdotes are pitiful.0 -
If UKIP win in South Shields I will eat my railway atlas!0
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Charles why on earth do you imagine Labour care about the low paid ?Charles said:
The problem is that the benefits are generalised (the economy as a whole is bigger/more efficient) while the costs are specific (wage pressure on the lower-skilled)tim said:@CD13
I support the free movement of labour within the EU as Thatcher Nd Blair did.
The protectionists armed with anecdotes are pitiful.0 -
Mark Ferguson at LabourList:
"Rumour from South Shields. It's entirely possible that the Lib Dems are trailing the Monster Raving Loony Party":
https://twitter.com/Markfergusonuk0 -
Well, today a day of two firsts.
First time voting for a particular party and first time I have ever written to a Prime minister.
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The thing about South Shields is that because of the lack of polling there's no concrete evidence so speculation inevitably fills the gap as to how the parties are doing.
What is worth remembering however, is that when there was a similar lack of polling in the likes of Bradford West there was still some very clear danger signals in the last day or so from the activists on the ground that a big upset was on the cards. We just haven't seen that in South Shields yet as far as I can see.0 -
I stand corrected.AndyJS said:Mark Ferguson at LabourList:
"Rumour from South Shields. It's entirely possible that the Lib Dems are trailing the Monster Raving Loony Party":
https://twitter.com/Markfergusonuk
LOL
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Do Labour have any local associations or any activists in Cornwall ? Being that it is actually a fairly poor part of the country in terms of income levels, with very high costs of living, you would think that Labour would at least make an effort.0
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I cant be arsed to go and check, who were the culprits?Ricardohos said:p.s. on the thread spat, it was utterly childish from those involved and nearly made me go elsewhere. Grow up.
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The only way Labour can lose South Shields is if a lot of their normal supporters walk into the polling station intending to vote Labour and then change to UKIP with pencil in hand. Otherwise the canvassers would surely have picked up on something.0
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@IOS
Even a tight win would be crap (I mean a real tight win, not 4,000 maj). No excuses. Theoretically It's a seat where you should poll 60%. I know you won't but to lose /be too close to call would be being at 40% or lower.
Because if the Con-LD collapse, top 2 should get 80% of the vote.0 -
Tim Stanley has a most black-humoured piece in the DT re Lefties version of Righties from the pages of The Guardian...
This made me LOL
"3. Communism wasn’t all bad. Yes, you might have been at daily risk of getting shot for wearing glasses – but at least your corpse was guaranteed a job for life. To quote Seumas Milne,
For all its brutalities and failures, communism in the Soviet Union, eastern Europe and elsewhere delivered rapid industrialisation, mass education, job security and huge advances in social and gender equality. It encompassed genuine idealism and commitment.
Now, if a journalist wrote that about Nazism, they’d rightly end up out of a job and living in a van down by the river..." http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100214938/revealed-the-five-loopiest-guardian-articles-of-all-time/0 -
Surprised they managed to whittle it down to only five contenders!Plato said:Tim Stanley has a most black-humoured piece in the DT re Lefties version of Righties from the pages of The Guardian...
This made me LOL
"3. Communism wasn’t all bad. Yes, you might have been at daily risk of getting shot for wearing glasses – but at least your corpse was guaranteed a job for life. To quote Seumas Milne,
For all its brutalities and failures, communism in the Soviet Union, eastern Europe and elsewhere delivered rapid industrialisation, mass education, job security and huge advances in social and gender equality. It encompassed genuine idealism and commitment.
Now, if a journalist wrote that about Nazism, they’d rightly end up out of a job and living in a van down by the river..." http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100214938/revealed-the-five-loopiest-guardian-articles-of-all-time/
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It seems North Tyneside mayoral contest will be counted tonight too.0
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So they were opposed on principle, rather than supporting it purely for party political gains?tim said:
I assume you wrote to him telling him he was a fool for opposing AV?
The Tories' UKIP problem shows why they should have supported AV
Those now calling for a Tory-UKIP pact should consider how AV could have prevented a divided right.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/05/tories-ukip-problem-shows-why-they-should-have-supported-av
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According to Guido Stuart Hall was a Labour member until 10 years ago
http://order-order.com/2013/05/02/labour-edm-stuart-hall-is-icon-with-youth-of-today/0 -
The is helpful.
Boris Johnson: laws would 'ram home message' on EU referendum
Looks like the tories are going to bang on about Europe yet again.
David Cameron should "ram home the message" that he will call an EU referendum by swiftly enshrining his promise in law, Boris Johnson has said.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10033306/Boris-Johnson-laws-would-ram-home-message-on-EU-referendum.html
The fops must be skipping in glee at the prospect. ;^ )
What could possibly go wrong?
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AndyJS - When that happened to Owen it killed the SDP. Combined with being beaten by UKIP in the Council elections, the Eastleigh honeymoon will be over for Clegg0
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Here in Witney, Cameron's constituency, our nominally safe Tory division has been completely leaflet-bombed by the Tory candidate. I've never seen anything like it. Moderate LibDem presence, nothing from UKIP at all.0
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A couple of years ago, at Keswick Film Festival, I watched an amateur produced film called "My DDR Teeshirt".Plato said:Tim Stanley has a most black-humoured piece in the DT re Lefties version of Righties from the pages of The Guardian...
This made me LOL
"3. Communism wasn’t all bad. Yes, you might have been at daily risk of getting shot for wearing glasses – but at least your corpse was guaranteed a job for life. To quote Seumas Milne,
For all its brutalities and failures, communism in the Soviet Union, eastern Europe and elsewhere delivered rapid industrialisation, mass education, job security and huge advances in social and gender equality. It encompassed genuine idealism and commitment.
Now, if a journalist wrote that about Nazism, they’d rightly end up out of a job and living in a van down by the river..." http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100214938/revealed-the-five-loopiest-guardian-articles-of-all-time/
The producer was a young man who, around 2005 or so went to Berlin and bought a teeshirt with the DDR emblem on it, not knowing what it was. (Bear with me) However, when he wore it he got some funny looks so decided to find out about the "DDR".
He did some research, met some former escapees and some long term residents (including a Brit, who'd taught at East Germany's major university), and came to the conclusion that, horrible though the Communist regime had been in many ways, it wasn't at all difficult to find people who regretted it's demise.
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It's obvious posturing. All the more surprising that gullible tory eurosceptics keep falling for it but they do seem to. Boris knows perfectly well that it won't get on the books so he's putting some posturing in himself and having a dig at Cammie and his Cast Iron Lisbon Pledge while he does so. The BOOers also know they can use the locals as an excuse and are unlikely to stay quiet for much longer.tim said:@MickPork
I doubt Dave is up for any "ramming" on Europe as the Lib Dems might decide to ram his 50p tax cut and a mansion tax where the saddle usually goes.
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Welfare and immigration because THAT worked SO well too.SeanT said:I'd be interested to know what you think Tories SHOULD 'bang on about'?
Gay marriage, perhaps?
That worked SO well.
Why the fops seem intent on boosting the kipper vote is their business. Sooner or later the penny is going to drop that they can't pander to them but have to actually beat them by taking them on and winning the policy arguments, instead of pretending the tories are kipper friendly, launching inept press attacks on the kippers or ignoring them. None of it has worked and as we will see tonight seems to have only boosted their appeal.
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Point of information, my parents' home is in Tunbridge Wells North and it actually has a Tory councillor, indeed all the TW County Council seats are Tory. Tunbridge Wells East was LD in the nineties, and the LDs almost retook it in a recent by-election. The local UKIP leader and councillor Victor Webb is standing in Tunbridge Wells West0
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Pew's just done a huge report into the views of Muslims globally. It makes for very interesting reading. In South Asia, from where large numbers migrate to the UK, for instance...
- Only 44% think women should have a right to divorce
- Only 46% think sons and daughter should have equal inheritance rights
- 79% think homosexuality is morally wrong
- 82% think drinking alcohol is morally wrong
- 88% think a woman should always obey her husband
- Only 45% prefer democracy to a strong leader
- 59% think Western media harms morality
- 55% of Bangladeshis and 89% of Pakistanis believe stoning should be the punishment for adultery
- 44% of Bangladeshis and 76% of Pakistanis believe those leaving Islam should be killed
- Only 34% of Bangladeshis and 45% of Pakistanis believe honour killings are never justified
- Only 10% of Bangladeshis and 3% of Pakistanis would be comfortable with their daughter marrying a Christian
On the more positive side, only a small minority support attacks against civilians and most think women should choose freely whether they wear the veil.
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf
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Adrian Pearson @Adrian_Pearson ora
In South Shields postal votes alone are said to have it for Labour.
Pearson works for the Journal (a North East paper)0 -
Kent is also not the safest County Council for the Tories in the land, indeed it was NOC in the nineties. Buckinghamshire is the safest as it is the only county council which stayed Tory in the Major years!0
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"According to Professor John Curtice, from the University of Strathclyde, a third of Mr Farage’s support comes from voters who refused to back any of the three main parties in 2010."
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And through the heart of which HS2 is set to run ...HYUFD said:Kent is also not the safest County Council for the Tories in the land, indeed it was NOC in the nineties. Buckinghamshire is the safest as it is the only county council which stayed Tory in the Major years!
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Anthony's graph is starting to get interesting (I'd say potentially much more interesting than the local elections)
Labour is starting to drop as the Tories are starting to rise.
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-2
Is this the start of swingback?
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Socrates - At least LD councillors losing their seats can console themselves they were not standing in Pakistan!0
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That is odd. Panic?Ruralista said:Here in Witney, Cameron's constituency, our nominally safe Tory division has been completely leaflet-bombed by the Tory candidate. I've never seen anything like it. Moderate LibDem presence, nothing from UKIP at all.
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Ricardohos - True, but the Tories will still almost certainly hold on, albeit with a strong UKIP vote0
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The reason why the Tories cannot deal with UKIP is because they have to many chiefs.
Who is running the show?
Shapps
Crosby (Who has been brought in to run the show)
Cameron (he is the leader after all!!)
Osborne (he is the master strategist)
Until two of them go. The Tories are always going to struggle0 -
Thanks for that - I had a friend who's kid bought a Che tee shirt and no idea who he was = if he'd known any escaping Cubans - suspect he'd throw it in the bin pronto.OldKingCole said:
A couple of years ago, at Keswick Film Festival, I watched an amateur produced film called "My DDR Teeshirt".Plato said:Tim Stanley has a most black-humoured piece in the DT re Lefties version of Righties from the pages of The Guardian...
This made me LOL
"3. Communism wasn’t all bad. Yes, you might have been at daily risk of getting shot for wearing glasses – but at least your corpse was guaranteed a job for life. To quote Seumas Milne,
For all its brutalities and failures, communism in the Soviet Union, eastern Europe and elsewhere delivered rapid industrialisation, mass education, job security and huge advances in social and gender equality. It encompassed genuine idealism and commitment.
Now, if a journalist wrote that about Nazism, they’d rightly end up out of a job and living in a ivan down by the river..." http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100214938/revealed-the-five-loopiest-guardian-articles-of-all-time/
The producer was a young man who, around 2005 or so went to Berlin and bought a teeshirt with the DDR emblem on it, not knowing what it was. (Bear with me) However, when he wore it he got some funny looks so decided to find out about the "DDR".
He did some research, met some former escapees and some long term residents (including a Brit, who'd taught at East Germany's major university), and came to the conclusion that, horrible though the Communist regime had been in many ways, it wasn't at all difficult to find people who regretted it's demise.0 -
Comment on Vanilla: there is a great deal of repetition when reading all the "replies" which makes trawling through the site tedious (made worse by tim's repetitive copy and paste comments). The reply function on discus is easier to follow but seems to attract frequent frothers. The agree/disagree functions were a useful short-form for comment but rather too mild in some cases. The addition of "bollox" would have been nice.0
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The wikipedia one includes UKIP. The LD vs UKIP line battle is much more exciting than the Lab vs Tory line battle!GIN1138 said:
Anthony's graph is starting to get interesting (I'd say potentially much more interesting than the local elections)
Labour is starting to drop as the Tories are starting to rise.
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-2
Is this the start of swingback?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#Graphical_summary
(Mick Pork once posted a graph that included 'others'. As I recall, that showed a very strong inverse correlation with UKIP.)
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Reminds me of that bit from Peep Show where David Mitchell's character is being forced to buy trendy clothes by his then gfPlato said:
Thanks for that - I had a friend who's kid bought a Che tee shirt and no idea who he was = if he'd known any escaping Cubans - suspect he'd throw it in the bin pronto.
"She's dragging me into the 20th century, with its meaningless logos and ironic veneration of tyrants."0 -
Tories have four and Labour only have one Ed BallsIOS said:The reason why the Tories cannot deal with UKIP is because they have to many chiefs.
Who is running the show?
Shapps
Crosby (Who has been brought in to run the show)
Cameron (he is the leader after all!!)
Osborne (he is the master strategist)
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Plato - As Churchill said 'capitalism is unequal distribution of blessings, communism equal distribution of misery'. Certainly communism did provide some measure of security, which is why I am not an out and out capitalist, but even someone on benefits is better off in terms of income than the average citizen of the GDR!0
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anotherDave said:
That is odd. Panic?Ruralista said:Here in Witney, Cameron's constituency, our nominally safe Tory division has been completely leaflet-bombed by the Tory candidate. I've never seen anything like it. Moderate LibDem presence, nothing from UKIP at all.
Could just be the tory candidate trying to impress Cameron but it does sound a particularly eccentric use of resources. Shapps approved no doubt.
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"Escaping Cubans"?!Plato said:
Thanks for that - I had a friend who's kid bought a Che tee shirt and no idea who he was = if he'd known any escaping Cubans - suspect he'd throw it in the bin pronto.OldKingCole said:
A couple of years ago, at Keswick Film Festival, I watched an amateur produced film called "My DDR Teeshirt".Plato said:Tim Stanley has a most black-humoured piece in the DT re Lefties version of Righties from the pages of The Guardian...
This made me LOL
"3. Communism wasn’t all bad. Yes, you might have been at daily risk of getting shot for wearing glasses – but at least your corpse was guaranteed a job for life. To quote Seumas Milne,
For all its brutalities and failures, communism in the Soviet Union, eastern Europe and elsewhere delivered rapid industrialisation, mass education, job security and huge advances in social and gender equality. It encompassed genuine idealism and commitment.
Now, if a journalist wrote that about Nazism, they’d rightly end up out of a job and living in a ivan down by the river..." http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100214938/revealed-the-five-loopiest-guardian-articles-of-all-time/
The producer was a young man who, around 2005 or so went to Berlin and bought a teeshirt with the DDR emblem on it, not knowing what it was. (Bear with me) However, when he wore it he got some funny looks so decided to find out about the "DDR".
He did some research, met some former escapees and some long term residents (including a Brit, who'd taught at East Germany's major university), and came to the conclusion that, horrible though the Communist regime had been in many ways, it wasn't at all difficult to find people who regretted it's demise.
How do you judge the popularity of Che / Fidel amongst the people of Cuba, dare I ask?0 -
I think die Linke ( the "Lefts" ) got nearly 12% last time round in the German GE. They trace a major part of their lineage back to the SED (socialist unity party ie communist) of the GDR (which is DDR in German). So I suppose a fair few of them are "ostalgic". Barking mind, if they are, but there you go.OldKingCole said:
A couple of years ago, at Keswick Film Festival, I watched an amateur produced film called "My DDR Teeshirt".Plato said:Tim Stanley has a most black-humoured piece in the DT re Lefties version of Righties from the pages of The Guardian...
This made me LOL
"3. Communism wasn’t all bad. Yes, you might have been at daily risk of getting shot for wearing glasses – but at least your corpse was guaranteed a job for life. To quote Seumas Milne,
For all its brutalities and failures, communism in the Soviet Union, eastern Europe and elsewhere delivered rapid industrialisation, mass education, job security and huge advances in social and gender equality. It encompassed genuine idealism and commitment.
Now, if a journalist wrote that about Nazism, they’d rightly end up out of a job and living in a van down by the river..." http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100214938/revealed-the-five-loopiest-guardian-articles-of-all-time/
The producer was a young man who, around 2005 or so went to Berlin and bought a teeshirt with the DDR emblem on it, not knowing what it was. (Bear with me) However, when he wore it he got some funny looks so decided to find out about the "DDR".
He did some research, met some former escapees and some long term residents (including a Brit, who'd taught at East Germany's major university), and came to the conclusion that, horrible though the Communist regime had been in many ways, it wasn't at all difficult to find people who regretted it's demise.
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The shark infested waters that surround Cuba, may have a bearing on people's ability to express a contrary opinion.carl said:
"Escaping Cubans"?!Plato said:
Thanks for that - I had a friend who's kid bought a Che tee shirt and no idea who he was = if he'd known any escaping Cubans - suspect he'd throw it in the bin pronto.OldKingCole said:
A couple of years ago, at Keswick Film Festival, I watched an amateur produced film called "My DDR Teeshirt".Plato said:Tim Stanley has a most black-humoured piece in the DT re Lefties version of Righties from the pages of The Guardian...
This made me LOL
"3. Communism wasn’t all bad. Yes, you might have been at daily risk of getting shot for wearing glasses – but at least your corpse was guaranteed a job for life. To quote Seumas Milne,
For all its brutalities and failures, communism in the Soviet Union, eastern Europe and elsewhere delivered rapid industrialisation, mass education, job security and huge advances in social and gender equality. It encompassed genuine idealism and commitment.
Now, if a journalist wrote that about Nazism, they’d rightly end up out of a job and living in a ivan down by the river..." http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100214938/revealed-the-five-loopiest-guardian-articles-of-all-time/
The producer was a young man who, around 2005 or so went to Berlin and bought a teeshirt with the DDR emblem on it, not knowing what it was. (Bear with me) However, when he wore it he got some funny looks so decided to find out about the "DDR".
He did some research, met some former escapees and some long term residents (including a Brit, who'd taught at East Germany's major university), and came to the conclusion that, horrible though the Communist regime had been in many ways, it wasn't at all difficult to find people who regretted it's demise.
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I think it was a yougov but not sure TBH.anotherDave said:(Mick Pork once posted a graph that included 'others'. As I recall, that showed a very strong inverse correlation with UKIP.)
You can quite clearly see in all of them where the most significant change across the parties happened. When UKIP rise consistently, labour rise again and the tories start to plummet. It was of course around about the time of Osbrowne's omnishambles budget. Nothing to do with Europe, immigration or welfare.
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@carl
How do you judge the popularity of Che / Fidel amongst the people of Cuba, dare I ask?
How about you hold free elections? or is that a bit too radical for you ?0 -
You must ask Plato to show you her snake bite photo.SeanT said:FFS. The face of Jurgen Habermas, noted German sociologist, is actually MELTING.
http://tinyurl.com/d4roz8y
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Ah, so was he the Nazi in "Raiders of the Lost Ark"?SeanT said:FFS. The face of Jurgen Habermas, noted German sociologist, is actually MELTING.
http://tinyurl.com/d4roz8y
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Re wwc support for UKIP.
I vaguely recall my first ever comment on PB.
It was 5 years ago and it was on a Sean Fear Friday thread.
I pointed out that there was increasing disgruntlement among wwc voters in northern England and these voters were there to be won by a party which showed an interest in them.
I suggested that the Conservatives should do so.
Instead the Cameroons chose to go down the paths of metropolitan bigotry and international capitalism.
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Ladies and Gentlemen
Your Scoring Guide to South Shields By Election: Labour share of vote75% up Hole in One, Drinks all round
70% to 74% Eagle
65% to 69% Birdie
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60% to 64% Par
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55% to 59% Bogey
50% to 54% Double Bogey
49% down Miliband loses PGA card0 -
Thanks for the comments on the "graph toy"
I think that it is sensational and absolutely love it. Once you've got the hang of it it is a great tool to bring numbers alive.
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Fixed your expectations management for you Seth,Seth O Logue said:Ladies and Gentlemen
Your Scoring Guide to South Shields By Election: Labour share of vote75% up inept spin
70% to 74% inept spin
65% to 69% inept spin
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60% to 64% inept spin
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55% to 59% inept spin
50% to 54% inept spin
49% down inept spin
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Speaking of TO - now we are on Vanilla - how does traffic this evening compare?
I'd guess last year was pretty serious stuff ..0 -
It is a shock that you do Dave the honour of suggesting he thinks. What has he done to shoot up in your estimation?tim said:@anotherricherd
Dave thinks the WWC is the workmens lavatory at his prep school.0 -
The graph toy is indeed splendid.
On Indiana Jones: those films are great, yet they also scared the shit out of me as a kid. It's all PG until the last 5 minutes. Then you see a man's face melt.0 -
Can it do pie charts, line graphs? We want more!!MikeSmithson said:Thanks for the comments on the "graph toy"
I think that it is sensational and absolutely love it. Once you've got the hang of it it is a great tool to bring numbers alive.
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It's very good but I don't understand why it needs the scroll up/down instead of just taking all the space it needs in the header.MikeSmithson said:Thanks for the comments on the "graph toy"
I think that it is sensational and absolutely love it. Once you've got the hang of it it is a great tool to bring numbers alive.
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