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    RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    AveryLP said:

    probably the worst as the centre left vote hasn't been split by competing parties.

    Maybe it has...
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    What's up with Louth North?

    A super terrible Lab result in 2009 or a terrible Con one today?
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    SeanT said:

    Dorset Broadwey Labour gain from Con Lab 1037 Con 991 Green 438

    2009 Con 1381 LD 672 Lab 633 Green 498

    I'm no local election expert, but that looks like a good result for Labour, and a bad one for Tories. Dorset? Tsk

    But where are the LDs??

    It was a Con gain from Labour in 2009 . The LD hold in Dorset had been a LD gain from Labour in 2009
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    Lincolnshire Scotter Rural Con Hold

    UNDERWOOD-FROST, C. 42 % (717)
    Conservative Down -17.3% HELD
    PEARSON, C. 25 % (428)
    UK Independence Party Up +25%
    ROLLINGS, L.A 22.9 % (392)
    Liberal Democrat Down -9.5%
    INDIAN, J. 10.1 % (172)
    Labour Up +1.7%
    Electorate: 6168
    Turnout: 1709 (27%)
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    UKIP take West Lindsey in Lincs
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    UKIP gain Gainsborough Hill from the LDs:

    http://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/ElectionsResultsDetail.aspx
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Con survives in - Bracebridge Heath and Waddington
    Con 39.4 UKIP 34.6
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    RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited May 2013


    Well under 55% for Labour.

    I suspect I'm going to win this prediction contest, and I suspect you suspect the same.

    You might be right, James. I might well have completely misjudged Labour's failure to capitalise, even in Northern seats, on government unpopularity at a time of unprecedented strain on the public finances, despite assistance from disgruntled left-leaning ex-LibDems.

    If so, it's a quite remarkable development. This is South Shields!!
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2013
    Emma Double-Surname has arrived at the count

    Labour believe 50% for them and 26 for UKIP
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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Labourlist
    "Mark: Further to my last update, looks like the Lib Dems will be on 2% in South Shields – losing their deposit…"
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    Emma Double-Surname has arrived at the count

    Much more romantic to report that Emma Double-Surname has arrived with the Count, Andrea.

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    Lincolnshire Gainsborough Trent LD Hold

    O'CONNOR, P 41.4 % (571)
    Liberal Democrat Down 31% HELD
    DE GAVRILAC, L. 27.4 % (378)
    UK Independence Party Up 27.4%
    HANRAHAN, J. 16.1 % (222)
    Labour & Co-op Up 16.1%
    PARRY, W.S.R 15.1 % (209)
    Conservative Down 12.5%
    Electorate: 7741
    Turnout: 1380 (17%)

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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Will withdraw that - picked area not seat.
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    JamesKellyJamesKelly Posts: 1,348
    "If so, it's a quite remarkable development. This is South Shields!!"

    Oh for heaven's sake, man. Main opposition parties do have bad by-election results - but what doesn't tend to happen is that the government party is the beneficiary. If the Tories were anywhere even vaguely close in South Shields, then your "this is astonishing!" routine might be a bit more convincing.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,811
    SeanT said:

    kle4 said:

    Hmm, much as I have no idea what to do about bus passes, some classic idiot logic from Victoria Coren from David Starkey talking about the need to look at welfare really hard. To paraphrase 'So you think cutting bas passes will solve the entire 120 billion pound mess' etc

    The classic 'Your proposal does not solve the entire problem/I've found one instance of it not working therefore the entire idea of looking in that direction is pointless' argument. Good to see it's not just politicians who use that bit of pablum.

    Victoria Coren's remark about "the need for better creches in Bangladesh" will have to go down as one of the most ludicrously luvvie comments ever made on QT. Starkey was right to call her up on it.
    He was certainly permitted to interrupt and interject a great deal, and get second comments to get that opportunity. I think Dimbleby must have been enjoying seeing him draw the increasing ire of the panel, who had to strive to not look really pissed off.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,343
    AveryLP said:

    Emma Double-Surname has arrived at the count

    Much more romantic to report that Emma Double-Surname has arrived with the Count, Andrea.

    Count von Count?

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=count+von+count&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=yPGCUcrqBeqG0AW764GwAg&ved=0CDoQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=538
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    Lincolnshire
    Nettleham and Saxilby Con Gain From LD


    BROCKWAY, J. 43.7 % (1218)
    Conservative Up 9.7% GAIN
    THOMPSON, H. 24.4 % (680)
    UK Independence Party Up 24.4%
    WHITE, A.M 21 % (586)
    Liberal Democrat Down 39.5%
    COOPLAND, R.A 10.9 % (305)
    Labour Up 5.4%
    Electorate: 8223
    Turnout: 2789 (33%)

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    RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    tim said:

    Labour now predicting Ukip 26% in South Shields

    That's more like it. I'm on at 6/4 IIRC,
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    AveryLP said:

    Emma Double-Surname has arrived at the count

    Much more romantic to report that Emma Double-Surname has arrived with the Count, Andrea.

    Count von Count?

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=count+von+count&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=yPGCUcrqBeqG0AW764GwAg&ved=0CDoQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=538
    A spitting image of Ed!
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    LDs down 31% in Gainsborough Trent.

    But since they won 72% last time it didn't stop them winning again.
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    Lincolnshire Donington Rural

    Con Just Hold From UKIP

    WRAY, S 38.7 % (770)
    Conservative Down 33.1% HELD
    DAVIS, T. 37.2 % (741)
    UK Independence Party Up 37.2%
    KING, J.L 15.1 % (301)
    Lincolnshire Independents Up 15.1%
    ROSS, S.L. 7.4 % (147)
    Labour Down 3.1%
    BISNAUTHSING, T 1.6 % (32)
    Liberal Democrat Down 16.1%
    Electorate: 6924
    Turnout: 1991 (28%)

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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    tim said:

    Labour now predicting Ukip 26% in South Shields

    That's more like it. I'm on at 6/4 IIRC,
    ditto

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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Dorset Portland Harbour Labour gain from Con ( con gain from Labour in 2009 )
    Lodmoor LD hold
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,811
    I'm off, and I hope to see many more UKIP gains in the morning, so have fun everyone.

    And I found myself almost enjoying Harriet Harman's opening on the NHS about no matter what facts or figures the Tories come out with about the NHS, she remembers the last time they were in control of it....and then I blanked out. Because you see Harriet, I don't remember that, and no-one, pro or con toward the Tories, tends to talk about it without being soul crushingly political, so I really have no idea what it was like so your point becomes lost on me. A good thing only older people vote in numbers, it probably played better with them.
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    SeanT said:

    Any remaining idiot pb-ers who underestimate Farage (neil?) should watch him on TW now.

    Just got in, SeanT (I think I may be the only person in all of London to leave the pub early to watch local election coverage but I'm already reconciled to being a geek). I stand by everything I have ever posted about Farage. Spending election day in a plane flying above your constituency isnt a sign of a sharp campaigning mind.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Dorset Rodwell Labour gain from Con ( Con gain from Labour in 2009 )
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    o/t what are the odds that the poster who appeared today to ramp (down!) UKIP expectations (only 200 people at a public meeting!!) ever posts again? Was it a reincarnation of Stuart Truth?
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    Current vote shares in Lincolnshire after 12 declarations

    Con 33% (-10.4%)
    UKIP 20.2% (+17.6%)
    Lab 19.1% (+7.8%)
    LD 15.3% (-18.4%)
    Other 12.2% (+3.2%)
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    A great THIS WEEK on tonight. Farage in top form.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Ringing endorsement for FPTP - UKIP 2nd largest party in Lincs on votes - 1 seat out of 13 elected.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,930
    Evening all. All ready for the kipper surge :D ?!
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Lab gain back from Con Hitchin North in Herts
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    Lincolnshire Holbeach Con Hold (just)

    WORTH, N. 44.8 % (979)
    Conservative Down -18.6% HELD
    FOYSTER, P.C 42 % (918)
    UK Independence Party Up +42%
    MAYHEW, D. 9.2 % (200)
    Labour Up +0.8%
    WEST, R.M.B 4 % (88)
    British National Party Down -12.6%
    Electorate: 7610
    Turnout: 2185 (28%)

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    JamesKellyJamesKelly Posts: 1,348
    "Ringing endorsement for FPTP - UKIP 2nd largest party in Lincs on votes - 1 seat out of 13 elected."

    To be fair, at least FPTP is the one antiquated thing about Britain that UKIP actually wants to change.
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    LD below BNP!
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Dorset Weymouth Town Labour gain from LD
    Lab 501 UKIP 475 LD 400 Con 379 Green 241
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,811
    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Any remaining idiot pb-ers who underestimate Farage (neil?) should watch him on TW now.

    Just got in, SeanT (I think I may be the only person in all of London to leave the pub early to watch local election coverage but I'm already reconciled to being a geek). I stand by everything I have ever posted about Farage. Spending election day in a plane flying above your constituency isnt a sign of a sharp campaigning mind.
    That doesn't mean what SeanT said is untrue - Farage could be both a bit of a crap campaigner and even organizer, but his talents like elsewhere. UKIP needs a talented workhorse behind the scenes to fully exploit those talents with the electorate.

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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2013
    Lab 12,493
    UKIP 5,988
    Con 2,857
    Khan 1,331
    Ind socialist 750
    BNP 711
    LD 352
    Loony 197
    Ind 57
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    Libdems came 6th in South Shields....
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,811
    edited May 2013

    LD below BNP!

    Pathetic. Dead in any Labour area for generations. People cannot defend it even on the basis that it doesn't matter where you finish in FPTP, because the idea is at some point you can build yourself to a point to challenge for a seat, and they have to start from scratch in every heavy Labour area of the country.

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    Lab 12,something
    UKIP 5,988
    Con 2,857
    Khan 1,331
    Ind socialist 750
    BNP 711
    LD 352
    Loony 197
    Ind 57

    Lab 12493
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    SeanT said:

    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    Ken Clarke should be sacked for calling Kippers clowns. It was just the most asinine, condescending bollocks.

    And it was terrible politics. Way to insult 3m people.

    Time to retire, Ken.

    Ken Clarke has a majority in his constituency of 15,000, at a time when his views are wildly out of step with what appears to be the driving force of current conservatism in this country, so why should be bother retiring? His voters still like him a lot even if his party appears to have moved on.

    I suspect what you mean and would prefer is that he be retired from front line politics, which is not in his hands to decide (if they'll give you a job, why not take it?).Take it up with Cameron.

    I also suspect had his asinine, condescending bollocks been directed at some other group, no-one on the right would have give two craps, and would be applauding his forthright views and vast experience right now.
    But that's the damn point. His asinine abuse was aimed at the voters who are leaving the Tory party in droves - disaffected rightwingers. The Tory party, as I understand it, is not experiencing a loss in votes from homosexual europhile Notting Hill millionaires.

    Clarke is personally charming, I suppose (I never quite liked him as much as some others). But he has been a perverse, disruptive force in Tory politics for two decades, a man who always elevates his own opinions, even when they are clearly wrong, and have been proven wrong, over the interests of his party.

    Yes: sack him. But do it nicely.
    Why? Do we really want even more politicians to be can't tell them apart, refuses to say anything about anything, always PC, Oxford PPE, lawyerly yes-man?

    So Clarke is outspoken and speaks his mind? Good. He always has been and its refreshing to have someone like that rather than just yet another clone.
    He should be sacked for the simple reason that comments like his - i.e. calling kippers "clowns" - are losing the next election for the Tories.

    Send him to the backbenches where he can chunter away, and trot out his europhile shtick, somewhat less conspicuously. No one seeks to silence him, they just need to stop him damaging Conservative electoral prospects.
    But if Clarke is already a chuntering fool, why are his comments so seriously taken as to be damaging? Because he's a minister without portfolio? We know from whenever an ex-Labour or ex-Tory minister attacks their current leadership that not being in the current governmental clique will not prevent their words being used by party opponents as if they were still in their heydey.
    Oh please, you're not an idiot. Clarke's stupid "clown" remarks have now been thrown at Hague, and Cameron and every other Tory grandee. Prolonging the pain and intensifying the damage.

    If he was just an old cigar-smoking pensioner on the backbenches no one would care, and his idiotic remarks would be ignored. However he remains a minister, and a perceived big beast, so his stupidities get traction.

    Nah, think you are being naive.

    Just look at the way David Blunkett or Charles Clarke or John Reid get thrown at the current Labour leadership.

    Mischievous media mavens making their mark will disinter "Tory grandee" and "one nation Tory" Ken Clarke to be the voice of 'reasonable Conservativism' vs. the 'extremist' current leadership
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Labour moron omits customary vote of thanks, and can barely read her scripted speech....
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @MarkSenior

    Is that in Dorset South - could we see a Lib Dem collapse and strong UKIP vote hand that constituency back to Labour?
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Oh dear!

    Oh dear! Oh dear!

    Oh dear! Oh dear! Oh dear!
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Lab 50.5%
    UKIP 24.2
    Con 11.5
    Khan 5.3
    Soc 3
    BNP 2.8
    LD 1.7
    Loony 0.8
    Ind 0.2
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    Listen to the result of the Marylebone High Street by-election:

    http://www.election.demon.co.uk/Marylebone High Street declaration.mp4

    Marylebone High Street. lol. Is that the poshest election of the night?
    It used to be St. Marylebone. Don't know what they did to lose that honour...
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    Lewis_DuckworthLewis_Duckworth Posts: 90
    edited May 2013
    Neebody knaas whatits like heer in Sheels .. what with the bedroom tax an aal the uther .... I promise I won't let you down ... Y'know aam the first wumen that's ever been elected for South Sheels ..

    As for meself, I'd select Karen Allen rather than that porky social worker with the really red lipstick ...
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    Approx Vote Shares - South Shields

    Lab 50.51%
    UKIP 24.21%
    Con 11.55%
    Ind 5.38%
    Ind socialist 3.03%
    BNP 2.87%
    LD 1.42%
    Loony 0.80%
    Ind 0.23%

    I was wrong LD 7th
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Don't friggin believe it: missed the result because I believed the prediction of 3am.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Emma for Foreign Secretary now

    Saved deposti for Khan.
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    kle4 said:

    That doesn't mean what SeanT said is untrue - Farage could be both a bit of a crap campaigner and even organizer, but his talents like elsewhere.

    Well, obviously. You can see that and I can see that but it confuses the heck out of poor old SeanT.
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    JamesKellyJamesKelly Posts: 1,348
    That's about a 19% swing from the Conservatives to UKIP. Which means...

    *puts on Canadian accent*

    It's another terrrr-ible night for the Conservatives.
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    GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    What's the turnout is South Shields?
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    58% Postal Vote in South Shields
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    1.4%? Unbelievable.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Another near miss for UKIP in Lincolns
    Market Rasen Wolds

    KEIMACH, B. 31.7 % (573)
    Conservative Down 19.1% HELD
    RANBY, M.J 29.5 % (534)
    UK Independence Party Up 29.5%
    GRANGER, G.E.D 19.6 % (355)
    Liberal Democrat Down 29.6%
    GOODALL, L. 11 % (199)
    Labour Up 11%
    WISEMAN, G. 8.2 % (149)
    Independent Up 8.2%

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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    UKIP gain Basildon Westley Heights in first Essex declaration
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    JamesKellyJamesKelly Posts: 1,348
    "Don't friggin believe it: missed the result because I believed the prediction of 3am."

    That's how I felt when the Pope was elected.
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited May 2013

    Lab 50.5%
    UKIP 24.2
    Con 11.5
    Khan 5.3
    Soc 3
    BNP 2.8
    LD 1.7
    Loony 0.8
    Ind 0.2

    1983 46.5%
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    2013 50.5%
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    2010 52.0%
    1964 55.1%
    1951 56.0%
    1974 56.4%
    1950 56.5%
    1979 57.1%
    1987 57.9%
    1959 58.0%
    1945 59.4%
    1955 59.6%
    1992 59.8%
    1970 60.2%
    2005 60.5%
    2001 63.2%
    1966 64.7%
    1997 71.4%

    A disastrous performance by a disastrous candidate.

    Second worse performance by Labour since WWII.

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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Using the Middlesbrough by-election result I predicted a Labour vote of 12,622 in South Shields. They actually received 12,493.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    I make it a 4.3% swing to Labour. (paltry by historical standards)

    The 1.4% for the LDs is one of the lowest for a major party on record, and their lowest share in a by-election since 1948.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Another near miss for UKIP in Lincolns

    This time in Spalding West

    Ind gain from Con who droped to third
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    JamesKellyJamesKelly Posts: 1,348
    Avery...er...where is 2010 on your list?
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Dorset Portland Tophill Labour gain from Ind
    Lab 460 UKIP 418 Ind 356 Con 222 LD 138 Green 64
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Priti Patel's father gets second place in Bushey South with 15.3%.
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    "We earned them votes tonight" ... perfect Layba gramma.
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    GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    @JamesKelly

    2010 = 52.0%
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    Lincolnshire Spalding West - Independent Gain from Con

    NEWTON, A.M 36.9 % (866)
    Lincolnshire Independents Up 36.9% GAIN
    SHEFFIELD, J. 33.3 % (782)
    UK Independence Party Up 33.3%
    JOHNSON, H.R 21.5 % (506)
    Conservative Down 23.9%
    OSBORN, K.M 6.5 % (153)
    Labour Down 1.6%
    Electorate: 8488
    Turnout: 2349 (27%)

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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Neil said:

    o/t what are the odds that the poster who appeared today to ramp (down!) UKIP expectations (only 200 people at a public meeting!!) ever posts again? Was it a reincarnation of Stuart Truth?

    Now, now Neil. I hope you realise that Seth O Logue's hilarious Romney ramping was second only to stuarttruth for comedy value. Good to see he's turned over a new leaf with no more incompetent attempts at expectations management. ;)

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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2013
    First Lincoln City division declared...

    Lab 40.5% + 16
    Con 27.3 -15.8
    UKIP 23.2 from nowhere
    LD 6.8 -12.8
    TUSC 2.2
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    JamesKellyJamesKelly Posts: 1,348
    edited May 2013
    Grandiose, yes I know, I was being facetious because Avery seems to have had a memory lapse.
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    Lincoln North Lab Gain From Con

    RENSHAW, J. 46.6 % (964)
    Labour Up 11.1% GAIN
    WILLIAMS, A. 24.5 % (506)
    Conservative Down 16.6%
    WHITE, L.S 22.6 % (467)
    UK Independence Party Up 22.6%
    THOMAS, E.C 4 % (82)
    Liberal Democrat Down 19.3%
    WOODHALL, E.J 2.3 % (48)
    Trade Unionists & Socialist Against Cuts Up 2.3%
    Electorate: 7703
    Turnout: 2067 (26%)

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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    Avery...er...where is 2010 on your list?

    Thanks, James.

    Now corrected.

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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,343

    UKIP gain Basildon Westley Heights in first Essex declaration

    Just Can't Get Enough!
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    Lincoln Glebe Lab Gain From Con

    MURRAY, N 40.5 % (628)
    Labour Up 16% GAIN
    RIDDICK, M 27.3 % (424)
    Conservative Down 15.8%
    SMITH, M.D 23.2 % (360)
    UK Independence Party Up 23.2%
    HARDING-PRICE, D 6.8 % (106)
    Liberal Democrat Down 12.2%
    MUMBY, S. 2.2 % (34)
    Trade Unionists & Socialist Against Cuts Up 2.2%
    Electorate: 6764
    Turnout: 1552 (22%)

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    GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    @JamesKelly

    I would have been inclined to agree, save for the fact that the Labour vote is down.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,930
    AveryLP said:

    Lab 50.5%
    UKIP 24.2
    Con 11.5
    Khan 5.3
    Soc 3
    BNP 2.8
    LD 1.7
    Loony 0.8
    Ind 0.2

    1983 46.5%
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    2013 50.5%
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    2010 52.0%
    1964 55.1%
    1951 56.0%
    1974 56.4%
    1950 56.5%
    1979 57.1%
    1987 57.9%
    1959 58.0%
    1945 59.4%
    1955 59.6%
    1992 59.8%
    1970 60.2%
    2005 60.5%
    2001 63.2%
    1966 64.7%
    1997 71.4%

    A disastrous performance by a disastrous candidate.

    Second worse performance by Labour since WWII.

    Nice for my bets :D
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The Tories can afford to lose 23 seats in Lincolnshire, but they've already lost quite a few.
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    Lincoln East Lab Gain From Con

    RENSHAW, R.A 44.3 % (634)
    Labour Up 10% GAIN
    BARHAM, M. 23.2 % (332)
    Conservative Down 15.8%
    WARDE, E.E 20.4 % (292)
    UK Independence Party Up 20.4%
    HARDING-PRICE, C.M 6.7 % (96)
    Liberal Democrat Down 20%
    PARKER, N. 5.3 % (76)
    Trade Unionists & Socialist Against Cuts Up 5.3%
    Electorate: 6346
    Turnout: 1430 (22%)




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    MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    LD votes to Labour and Labour votes to Ukip

    or just

    LD votes to Ukip

    or

    just confused
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    How come Lincolnshire is declaring first when it's one of the most remote and largest counties?
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    rodwarnerrodwarner Posts: 8
    Leicestershire should be interesting as a bellwhether county - Ukip standing in what seem to be targeted wards - i.e, not mine, Loughborough East which is a fourway between Labour who will win it, LibDem, Conservative and some knobbers standing in some other wards, whose name I can't recall: Trade Union/Socialists for Boredom or whatever, a couple of hundred votes here and there from a few people in purple cord, which I doubt will make a lot of difference. Seem to be declaring tomorrow. From a betting point of view forwards, the Ukip results will be interesting... Don't know if they intend to stand in 2015 and that would throw the game open - local MP Vicki Morgan is very impressive but it wouldn't take much to dislodge her. Labour likely cnadidate looks worthy but dull and local machine these days not impressive - Morgan and co ran them off the road very effectively last go round and their incumbent was a well-liked Labour man. Re tonight: Conservatives defending - I would expect them to take a hit but for them to retain overall control. But this is an odd election...
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,310
    Yes, this is an appalling result for Labour. We have a Tory-led government delivering an age of austerity, the only other Leftist party is also in government and Labour get their worst ever result in their spiritual home. Labour should have been notching up 75% minimum at this stage. Miliband is lucky UKIP were about to get the disaffected Labour vote - otherwise the Tories could have been snapping at Labour's heels!

    AveryLP said:

    Lab 50.5%
    UKIP 24.2
    Con 11.5
    Khan 5.3
    Soc 3
    BNP 2.8
    LD 1.7
    Loony 0.8
    Ind 0.2

    1983 46.5%
    2013 50.5%
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    JamesKellyJamesKelly Posts: 1,348
    "Miliband is lucky UKIP were about to get the disaffected Labour vote - otherwise the Tories could have been snapping at Labour's heels!"

    And in other news, Jeffrey Archer could still be Prime Minister one day.
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    At least Clegg can hold his head high and placate the nervous lib dem activists and MPs by proudly proclaiming "We beat the monster raving loony candidate!" Stirring stuff indeed.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,008
    Another UKIP gain in Essex...... Rayleigh South
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    The only good thing you can say for the Lib Dems in S Shields is that they beat the MRLP. Imagine the headlines if they hadn't!
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    UKIP win another Lincs seat in Boston Coastal
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    Lincolshire Boston Coastal UKIP Gain From Con

    RANSOME, F.E.E 45.8 % (826)
    UK Independence Party Up 20.6% GAIN
    BEDFORD, P 40.4 % (730)
    Conservative Down 14.6%
    GLEESON, P.M 13.8 % (249)
    Labour Up 4.1%
    Electorate: 5796
    Turnout: 1805 (31%)

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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Nigel Farage ‏@Nigel_Farage
    66% turnout in South Shields is postal voting. It is a total disgrace: postal votes must be scrapped.
    Despite this handicap @UKIP has gone from 0% to 24%
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    AndyJS said:

    The Tories can afford to lose 23 seats in Lincolnshire, but they've already lost quite a few.

    From the point of view of running a Council I would expect losses to UKIP are much easier for the Tories to bear than losses to Labour.

    It is a different matter nationally of course.

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    JamesKellyJamesKelly Posts: 1,348
    "Clegg in Seventh Heaven as Libs Lick Lousy Loony"
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,008
    Essex .....2 Lib Dem holds in Chelmsford,
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2013
    Borehamwood North
    Old Stevenage
    Broadwater
    St Nicholas

    gained by Lab in Herts. All exepected gains.
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    And in other news, Jeffrey Archer could still be Prime Minister one day.

    Must you ignore the sage advice of Seth O Logue? As he would be first to tell you (his humble and self-effacing demeanor prevents it) Seth thinks Andrew Lansley could still be Prime Minister one day.


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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    edited May 2013
    SeanT said:

    The Greens never came second in a euro election.

    While that is true, past performances have not been that different:

    Green vote share in 1989 Euros - 15% (3rd place in a FPTP election)
    UKIP vote share in 2009 Euros - 16.5% (2nd place in a PR election)

    My best guess (but it's difficult to tell and this stage so I could well be wrong) is that the Greens will finish the night / tomorrow with more councillors across the UK than UKIP.
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,310
    'RANSOME, F.E.E 45.8 % (826)
    UK Independence Party Up 20.6% GAIN'

    Is that the guy's name? No, Ken Clarke had no case at all.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Well, must to bed away. Will be up with the lark to what seems to be a small turning point in British political history since the war.
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