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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,979
    BTW - a link for the thread newcomers

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0An6GzfHRNpYQdEhrZ3V5a0VSRWNEM3dyNktCQm1RSlE&usp=sharing

    If there is a council that is reporting that I'm obviously missing, let me know.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,289
    Rob - BBC link gives boundary changes:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21828547
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,979
    MikeL said:

    Rob - BBC link gives boundary changes:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21828547

    A true gent!

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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,289
    No UKIP seats at all in Herts?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    UKIP have gained Spilsby Fen in Lincolnshire by 70 votes:

    UKIP: 1,077
    Con: 1,007
    Lab: 258
    Ind: 153
    Ind: 108

    http://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/ElectionsResultsDetail.aspx
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    Are there any projections after the initial flurry of results of how many seats UKIP will gain in total, and in particular is this likely to be more or less more or less than 100 seats?
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2013
    In the councils counting overnight (with no massive boundary changes) Labour are not winning back all the seats they lost last time.

    Essex
    2005 13 seats
    2009 1
    2013 9

    Dorset
    4
    0
    5

    Somerset (boundary changes)
    4
    0
    3 so far

    Hampshire
    4
    1
    3 so far


    East Sussex
    5
    4
    7 so far

    Gloucestershire (boundary changes, -13 seat overall)
    12
    4
    9 so far

    Hertfordshire
    16
    3
    12 so far

    Lincolnshire
    19
    4
    11 so far
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    Hampshire with a handful of wards to declare/ Conservatives hold council (seats, votes, vote share)

    Conservative Party 41 116417 37.49%
    Liberal Democrats 16 69413 22.35%
    UKIP 10 76386 24.60%
    Labour Party 3 29192 9.40%
    Independent 1 4691 1.51%
    The Community Campaign 1 2367 0.76%
    Green Party 0 9247 2.98%
    The Labour and Co-operative Party 0 1952 0.63%
    British National Party 0 283 0.09%
    No Party 0 210 0.07%
    Christian Party "Proclaiming Christ's Lordship" 0 191 0.06%
    Trade Unionists and Socialists Against Cuts 0 117 0.04%
    The Official Monster Raving Loony Party 0 92 0.03%
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    SeanT said:

    Another observation: for a while people have been saying UKIP need an electoral heartland (like the Libs in the southwest) from which they can build, and expand, into other parts of the country.

    Seems to me we might be seeing the beginnings of that: UKIP's heartland is eastern England, especially Essex and Lincolnshire.

    Intriguingly, this was the heartland of the Cromwellian revolution... and the Peasants' Revolt.

    It's also where a lot of the American settlers came from.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    RobD

    Essex is still at 75. There's confusion on the Council Website because they say 74 declared but it adds up to 73

    Boundary changes in Gloucester, Somerset, Staffordshire, Cumbria, Derbyshire, Oxfordshire, Surrey and Buckinghamshire
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    UKIP Seats

    Lincs 16
    Hampshire 10
    Essex 8
    Somerset 3
    Gloucester 2
    Dorset 1

    Total 40

    Have UKIP already hits the Rallings & Thrasher projection?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    UKIP gain Tattershall Castle in Lincolnshire by 15 votes:

    UKIP 1,112
    Con 1,097
    Lab 298
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    Conservatives need to hold all five remaining seats in Lincolnshire to retain overall control.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    So far, UKIP have gained more seat than Labour have (41 to 37).

    I wonder if UKIP could become the largest party on any council.
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    UKIP Seats

    Lincs 16
    Hampshire 10
    Essex 8
    Somerset 3
    Gloucester 2
    Dorset 1

    Total 40

    Have UKIP already hits the Rallings & Thrasher projection?

    ........... and in Herts where they appear to have won a great big fat zero. So there are huge disparities in UKIP's strike rate - this presumably reflects in large part the effectiveness or otherwise of their local organisation.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Lincolnshire seats still to declare:

    Bourne Castle
    Deeping St James
    Market & West Deeping
    Stamford N
    Stamford W
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Many thanks Rob for the spreadsheet

    Good night....
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,289
    For Lab to do worse in these Locals than it did on 2005 GE day is surely a terrible result.

    Lab led popular vote by only 3% in 2005 GE. To do worse than that today would be a disastrous result.

    Is UKIP harming Lab more than Con?
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    Smithersjones, correct.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Current popular vote, Lincolnshire:

    Con 54,608 (35.8%)
    UKIP 39,289 (25.8%)
    Lab 28,126 (18.4%)
    Linc Inds 15,017 (9.8%)
    LD 6,649 (4.4%)
    BNP 435 (0.3%)
    TUSC 323 (0.2%)
    Others/Inds 8,124 (5.3%)
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,289
    Hampshire complete.

    Con win 45 seats, down only 6.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    UKIP aren't doing so well in Hertfordshire because it's more metropolitan being adjacent to Greater London.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,979
    Okay updated the spreadsheet to use the seats as they were just prior to the election. So numbers should make a bit more sense now.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    Mike L, without a doubt UKIP is taking the votes of people who voted Labour in 2005. The Tories barely won Borehamwood South in 2005, but held it easily today.
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    SeanT said:

    Are there any projections after the initial flurry of results of how many seats UKIP will gain in total, and in particular is this likely to be more or less more or less than 100 seats?

    I'm tired and emotional, but haven't UKIP already gained about 40 seats, with about 25%+ of the vote?

    If my squiffy addled brain is working right, the majority of counties are reporting tomorrow, so UKIP woud have to do REALLY badly from now on, not to get over the 100 seat mark.

    Or maybe I am missing summat?
    That would seem to be the case, unless we have already seen their really big gains - although IIRC UKIP are also expected to do well in the East Midlands, which ties in with their success in Lincs.

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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2013
    The 2005 locals were on GE turnout though.
    Labour voters are lazy but they are supposed to be less lazy midterm while in opposition (and Tory voters should stay at home more).
    It may depend on the area though. Anyway, it doesn't look good for Labour so far.

    And with this, I really go now.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,979
    Okay, does anyone know where that missing Essex seat has gone, I only have 74 results.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    TORIES LOSE CONTROL OF LINCOLNSHIRE

    The Tories have just lost Bourne Castle to the Lincolnshire Independents by 77 votes.

    Unless I am very much mistaken I think that means UKIP will be striking a deal with the Tories to run Lincolnshire tomorrow.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,979
    Tories lose Lincolnshire.
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Sean_F said:

    Mike L, without a doubt UKIP is taking the votes of people who voted Labour in 2005. The Tories barely won Borehamwood South in 2005, but held it easily today.

    With the lack lustre performance of Miliband's Labour party and the retreat by the Lib Dems under insurgent attack, it will probably be fair to name UKIP as the Official Opposition Party as of tomorrow morning.

    Labour seem to have so little fight left in them that I expect they'll be relieved to hand over this laurel to Farage and his party without protest.
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    At least tonight we are spared the BBC wheeling out whatshisname yet again to pronounce that "This is a truly terrible result for the Conservatives"
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    SeanT said:

    Apparently there are NO UKIP candidates in the remaining Lincs seats. So the Tories win.

    According to Twitter.

    Other rumours say UKIP candidates are winning, or nearly winning, in seats where they didn't even bother to campaign, where they never canvassed, where the candidate is on holiday!

    An amazing surge.

    Not according to the official website. Lincolnshire has a strong independent grouping (8 now) as well and they have picked up another seat. With 4 seats remaining the Tories can only now get 38 out of the 77 seats. Lincolnshire has gone to NOC with UKIP as the second largest party.

    http://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/ElectionsResultsHome.aspx

    That said the Tories can choose whoever they like to form a coalition with as they only need another one seat to form the council.

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,979
    Only 2 seats left in Somerset, Tories just need one more.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    UKIP almost win Market Rasen Wolds, missing out by 39 votes:

    Con 573
    UKIP 534
    LD 355
    Lab 199
    Ind 149
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,979
    RobD said:

    Only 2 seats left in Somerset, Tories just need one more.

    and they did it. CON hold Somerset.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,979
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Only 2 seats left in Somerset, Tories just need one more.

    and they did it. CON hold Somerset.
    PB beats the BBC on this one!!

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    Looking at East Sussex only Eastbourne and Hastings have been called yet.

    Here are the vote shares for Hastings 9 wards

    Lab 42.58%
    Con 25.22%
    UKIP 22.85%
    LD 4.26%
    Green 5.09%

    The Tories have a majority of just under 2,000 in the Hastings and Rye Parliamentary constituency.
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    peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,875
    edited May 2013
    AndyJS said:

    UKIP aren't doing so well in Hertfordshire because it's more metropolitan being adjacent to Greater London.


    Eh .... isn't Essex also?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2013
    Just waiting for Deeping St James now from Lincolnshire.

    The 2009 result was:

    Con 846
    LD 596
    Green 464

    Candidates this time: Con, Lab, LD, Green.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    UKIP aren't doing so well in Hertfordshire because it's more metropolitan being adjacent to Greater London.


    Eh .... isn't Essex also?
    It's not as middle-class as Hertfordshire. That's what I sort of meant by metropolitan.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,979
    Any other councils counting tonight (even partially)? I didn't realise East Sussex was!

    At the moment I have:

    Dorset
    East Sussex
    Essex
    Gloucestershire
    Hampshire
    Hertfordshire
    Lincolnshire
    Somerset

    And I think Northamptonshire is counting tonight, although no update on their website as of yet.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2013
    @RobD

    In Staffordshire, Cannock Chase, Tamworth and most of South Staffs have counted tonight.

    So far I can't get hold of the detailed Cannock Chase results which is frustrating.
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    Looking at East Sussex only Eastbourne and Hastings have been called yet.

    Here are the vote shares for Hastings 9 wards

    Lab 42.58%
    Con 25.22%
    UKIP 22.85%
    LD 4.26%
    Green 5.09%

    The Tories have a majority of just under 2,000 in the Hastings and Rye Parliamentary constituency.

    These initial results don't look too promising for UKIP in East Sussex and the Greens will surely be disappointed with only gaining 5% of the vote - that wouldn't seem to augur well in terms of their chances of retaining Brighton Pavilion ..... there could be a betting opportunity there where iirc Labour are currently second favourites behind the Greens, but DYOR.

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    Wasn't someone talking about Staffordshire as well earlier on
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    Sky : Net changes after 5 councils completed (Gloucs, Somerset, Dorset, Hampshire & Essex)

    Con -42
    Lab +22
    LD -14
    Oth +34

    http://news.sky.com/story/1086321/county-council-elections-first-results-in
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,289
    2009 seats: Con 1465, Lab 292 - ratio 5.0 : 1

    2013 seats so far: Con 247, Lab 60 - ratio 4.1 : 1

    Obviously very crude at this stage but Lab appear to be making pretty minimal progress.
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Councils should be obliged by law to count their election votes as soon as the polls close.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,979
    Hm, their election results website returns a 404 error :(
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    @smithersjones2013

    Yes, that was me.

    Bad result for Labour in Tamworth, one of the seats they need for a decent majority.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    @peter_from_putney

    I think UKIP will have a slightly disappointing election in the south but much better in the Midlands, North and East Anglia.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The one Lincolnshire result to come, Deeping St James, is a seat where Labour have a well-known candidate who has been elected before so maybe the Tories will lose that as well.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,289
    Re Sky analysis: Somerset isn't complete - one seat to come.
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    Hertfordshire Summary with 12 Outstanding (seats, votes, vote share, change)

    Conservative 43 82441 39.8 -6.2
    Green 0 8748 4.2 -2.9
    Labour 12 44760 21.6 +7.7
    Liberal Democrat 10 28701 13.9 -13.2
    Other 0 41556 20.1 +15.1
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,979

    Councils should be obliged by law to count their election votes as soon as the polls close.

    Indeed!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,979
    MikeL said:

    Re Sky analysis: Somerset isn't complete - one seat to come.

    It's a Con hold though, they have reached the magic 28 required.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2013
    Labour have gained Deeping St James. Tories lose another seat in Lincolnshire:

    Lab 862
    Con 511
    Green 136
    LD 91
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    According to the BBC, it is UKIP+26 and Lab+22.
    It seems seems silly lumping in UKIP with 'Ratepayers' and the like.

    Sky : Net changes after 5 councils completed (Gloucs, Somerset, Dorset, Hampshire & Essex)

    Con -42
    Lab +22
    LD -14
    Oth +34

    http://news.sky.com/story/1086321/county-council-elections-first-results-in

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    MikeL said:

    Re Sky analysis: Somerset isn't complete - one seat to come.

    Is that the one thats not being fought tonight?
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    RobD said:

    Councils should be obliged by law to count their election votes as soon as the polls close.

    Indeed!
    By counting Friday morning, they'll be through by lunchtime ..... just in time for POETSday!

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,979

    RobD said:

    Councils should be obliged by law to count their election votes as soon as the polls close.

    Indeed!
    By counting Friday morning, they'll be through by lunchtime ..... just in time for POETSday!

    I''m going to have to stay up quite late to keep this spreadsheet updated (im on Pacific Time!) No matter, I knew it would be a long night!
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    JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    SeanT said:

    Other rumours say UKIP candidates are winning, or nearly winning, in seats where they didn't even bother to campaign, where they never canvassed, where the candidate is on holiday!

    What sort of insane idiot would go on holiday when there's an election on? Dim thick nincompoops might, but anybody who is even remotely anoraky or psephological like us normal people wouldn't even consider such a thing...

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    AndyJS said:

    The one Lincolnshire result to come, Deeping St James, is a seat where Labour have a well-known candidate who has been elected before so maybe the Tories will lose that as well.

    Deeping St James is in and its a Lab Gain. It's Market and West Deeping that isn't in according to the main site..
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    Lincolnshire Seats with one outstanding

    Conservative 35 Seats -26
    UK Independence Party 16 Seats +16
    Labour 10 Seats +6
    Lincolnshire Independents 8 Seats +4
    Liberal Democrat 3 Seats -2
    Independent 2 Seats +1

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    Sky : Net changes after 5 councils completed (Gloucs, Somerset, Dorset, Hampshire & Essex)

    Con -42
    Lab +22
    LD -14
    Oth +34

    http://news.sky.com/story/1086321/county-council-elections-first-results-in

    Pretty meaningless without the results from Lincs, which is the big story of the night! So far it looks like UKIP have won around 50 seats and appear very likely to smash through the 100 net gains level.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,289
    Herts swing 7% Con to Lab since 2009 Locals - again looks pretty good for Con.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    Later today, I think one should expect to see strong results for UKIP in Devon, Staffordshire, Kent, Norfolk, Suffolk, and Cambridgeshire.

    The big unknown is whether they can do well enough in places like Derbyshire and Lancashire to prevent Labour from winning overall control. They did get big votes, however, in by-elections in Leeds and Sheffield.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,709
    Well this looks all rather interesting..
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    Sky : Net changes after 5 councils completed (Gloucs, Somerset, Dorset, Hampshire & Essex)

    Con -42
    Lab +22
    LD -14
    Oth +34

    http://news.sky.com/story/1086321/county-council-elections-first-results-in

    Pretty meaningless without the results from Lincs, which is the big story of the night! So far it looks like UKIP have won around 50 seats and appear very likely to smash through the 100 net gains level.
    Indeed the quality of the news coverage all round (internet and all) this time is pretty appalling. I'm sure it wasn't anywhere near this bad in 2009?

    I reckoned that UKIP have hit 40 seats including the Lincolnshire ones (the others must be independents / greens etc ). Currently they have won more seats than Labour.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Latest scoreboard, councillors (after 7 of 34 councils declared):

    Con 165
    Lab 30
    LD 70
    UKIP 26
    Green 3
    Others 12

    Con -42
    Lab +22
    LD -13
    UKIP +26
    Green +2
    Others +5

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21240025
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Sky : Net changes after 5 councils completed (Gloucs, Somerset, Dorset, Hampshire & Essex)

    Con -42
    Lab +22
    LD -14
    Oth +34

    http://news.sky.com/story/1086321/county-council-elections-first-results-in

    Pretty meaningless without the results from Lincs, which is the big story of the night! So far it looks like UKIP have won around 50 seats and appear very likely to smash through the 100 net gains level.
    Indeed the quality of the news coverage all round (internet and all) this time is pretty appalling. I'm sure it wasn't anywhere near this bad in 2009?

    I reckoned that UKIP have hit 40 seats including the Lincolnshire ones (the others must be independents / greens etc ). Currently they have won more seats than Labour.
    In 2009 the election coverage was much better because we had the Euro elections as well and so the BBC were running a proper election programme.
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    AndyJS said:

    Sky : Net changes after 5 councils completed (Gloucs, Somerset, Dorset, Hampshire & Essex)

    Con -42
    Lab +22
    LD -14
    Oth +34

    http://news.sky.com/story/1086321/county-council-elections-first-results-in

    Pretty meaningless without the results from Lincs, which is the big story of the night! So far it looks like UKIP have won around 50 seats and appear very likely to smash through the 100 net gains level.
    Indeed the quality of the news coverage all round (internet and all) this time is pretty appalling. I'm sure it wasn't anywhere near this bad in 2009?

    I reckoned that UKIP have hit 40 seats including the Lincolnshire ones (the others must be independents / greens etc ). Currently they have won more seats than Labour.
    In 2009 the election coverage was much better because we had the Euro elections as well and so the BBC were running a proper election programme.
    Of course I forgot about that. Its late! Still I think this is a pretty poor show all round.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2013
    "Alex Bilbie ‏@alexbilbie 1m

    Just heard that Market and West Deeping are recounting. It’s 04:32am :-/"


    https://twitter.com/search?q=market and west deeping&src=typd

    2009 result, Market & West Deeping:

    Con 1,421 (58.7%)
    Green 474 (19.6%)
    Ind 286 (11.8%)
    LD 238 (9.8%)

    Candidates this time: Con, Lab, LD, Lincolnshire Independent.
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    Eight well I don't think anything much else is going to happen tonight so I am off to bed.

    Ciao!
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    AndyJS said:

    Sky : Net changes after 5 councils completed (Gloucs, Somerset, Dorset, Hampshire & Essex)

    Con -42
    Lab +22
    LD -14
    Oth +34

    http://news.sky.com/story/1086321/county-council-elections-first-results-in

    Pretty meaningless without the results from Lincs, which is the big story of the night! So far it looks like UKIP have won around 50 seats and appear very likely to smash through the 100 net gains level.
    Indeed the quality of the news coverage all round (internet and all) this time is pretty appalling. I'm sure it wasn't anywhere near this bad in 2009?

    I reckoned that UKIP have hit 40 seats including the Lincolnshire ones (the others must be independents / greens etc ). Currently they have won more seats than Labour.
    In 2009 the election coverage was much better because we had the Euro elections as well and so the BBC were running a proper election programme.
    Of course I forgot about that. Its late! Still I think this is a pretty poor show all round.
    At the very least the BBC should be running a comprehensive results service on Radio 4 or Radio 5. It's disgraceful that they aren't especially when one considers their huge output of rubbish/meaningless programmes.
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    Eight? Right......
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    It's definitely not a 1993-type result for the Tories.

    Even on Lincolnshire, they should be able to form an administration quite easily.

    East Sussex looks as though it'll be lost, however.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,979
    edited May 2013
    Lincolnshire finally complete

    C 36
    Lab 12
    Lib 3
    UKIP 16
    IND 10
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Tories have held the final Lincs seat, Market & West Deeping, by 17 votes over the Linc Inds:

    Con 868
    Linc Inds 851
    Lab 205
    LD 30
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    I agree. How much resources does it take to have a few rookie reporters at the HQs of those councils that are declaring their results tonight?

    AndyJS said:

    Sky : Net changes after 5 councils completed (Gloucs, Somerset, Dorset, Hampshire & Essex)

    Con -42
    Lab +22
    LD -14
    Oth +34

    http://news.sky.com/story/1086321/county-council-elections-first-results-in

    Pretty meaningless without the results from Lincs, which is the big story of the night! So far it looks like UKIP have won around 50 seats and appear very likely to smash through the 100 net gains level.
    Indeed the quality of the news coverage all round (internet and all) this time is pretty appalling. I'm sure it wasn't anywhere near this bad in 2009?

    I reckoned that UKIP have hit 40 seats including the Lincolnshire ones (the others must be independents / greens etc ). Currently they have won more seats than Labour.
    In 2009 the election coverage was much better because we had the Euro elections as well and so the BBC were running a proper election programme.
    Of course I forgot about that. Its late! Still I think this is a pretty poor show all round.
    At the very least the BBC should be running a comprehensive results service on Radio 4 or Radio 5. It's disgraceful that they aren't especially when one considers their huge output of rubbish/meaningless programmes.
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    JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    Matt, doubleplushahaha as usual http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt/
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    Old Labour. They used to. I can remember listening to the results on the radio, as a student.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,760
    The line from CCHQ Press Office:

    Clear Labour not making up even their 2009 losses in councils declared so far: Essex, Lincolnshire, Somerset, Hertforshire all down on 2005.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2013
    Final Lincolnshire vote shares:

    Con 58,119 (36.1%)
    UKIP 39,380 (24.4%)
    Lab 29,919 (18.6%)
    Linc Inds 16,816 (10.4%)
    LD 7,082 (4.4%)
    Others 9,793 (6.1%)

    Electorate: 551,106
    Total votes: 161,109
    Turnout: 29.2%

    Seats:

    Con 36
    UKIP 16
    Lab 12
    Linc Inds 8
    LD 3
    Ind 2

    Con short by 3 of majority.

    Change in share of vote:

    Con -10.5%
    UKIP +21.2%
    Lab +6.0%
    LD -14.6%
    Linc Inds +1.3%
    Ind -0.3%
    Others -3.2%

    Change in seats:

    Con -25
    UKIP +16
    Lab +6
    LD -2
    Linc Ind +4
    Others +1
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,979
    I particularly enjoy the fact that our elections have immediate effect, unlike in America where it is 2 months(!) between election and the new administration coming in. Some of my American friends were quite shocked to hear that a defeated PM gets chucked out of office the following morning!
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    How's Labour's Master Strategy for recovering their losses going?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    So in Lincolnshire the LD vote fell by 14.6% but Labour only increased by 6%.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    UKIP polled 24.4% in Lincolnshire but they didn't contest 16 of the 77 divisions.

    They actually polled 30.7% in the seats they were contesting: 39,380 votes out of 128,329.

    I presume that when Rallings & Thrasher make their national projection they take into account the fact that parties don't contest every seat.

    If this is correct then the 30.7% figure is more important than the 24.4% percentage in terms of the national projection, (of course taking into account the fact that Lincolnshire is one of UKIP's best areas.)
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,937
    I see my east west divide call in England may be manifesting itself, to a degree at least.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,289
    BBC have slightly different starting positions.

    eg in Lincs: Con 36, down 24.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,289
    BBC after 7 councils (Lins now included):

    Con -66
    LD -15
    Lab +30
    UKIP +42

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21240025
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,760
    ITN's take on South Shields:

    'UKIP joy and Lib Dem woe overshadow Labour success in South Shields by-election'

    http://www.itv.com/news/2013-05-03/ukip-joy-and-lib-dem-woe-overshadow-labour-success-in-south-shields-by-election/

    Could be a similar story in the locals - UKIP make the gains Labour fail to as the Lib Dems get murdered....the big two overshadowed by triumph and disaster for UKIP and the Lib Dems
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Middlesbrough, Labour vote:

    2010 GE: 15,351
    2012 by-election: 10,201
    Retention level: 66.45%

    South Shields, Labour vote:

    2010 GE: 18,995
    2013 by-election: 12,493
    Retention level: 65.77%
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2013
    This was Guido two days ago:

    "Back UKIP at Evens to Take 50 Seats"

    http://order-order.com/2013/04/30/back-ukip-at-evens-to-take-50-seats/

    They've already won 42 seats...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21240025
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2013
    Latest scoreboard, (after 7 of 34 councils declared):

    Councillors:

    Con 201
    LD 73
    Lab 42
    UKIP 42
    Ind 20
    Green 3
    Others 2

    Changes:

    Con -66
    LD -15
    Lab +30
    UKIP +42
    Ind +6
    Green +2
    Others +1

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21240025
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    RicardohosRicardohos Posts: 258
    AndyJS said:

    Middlesbrough, Labour vote:

    2010 GE: 15,351
    2012 by-election: 10,201
    Retention level: 66.45%

    South Shields, Labour vote:

    2010 GE: 18,995
    2013 by-election: 12,493
    Retention level: 65.77%

    Hang on there. You can't compare raw figures from a General Election to By-elections and post a retention level. Turnout's lower.

    Really, can we leave spinning like that to other sites?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2013
    @Ricardohos

    I think you missed my point, which is to show how similar the Labour retention level was in the two constituencies.

    In other words, if we have another by-election in the north-east soon, and Labour polled 20,000 votes there in the general election, it would probably indicate they were on course for 13,200 votes.

    It wasn't a political point I was making, but a psephological one. You're seeing spin where none existed.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,979
    Okay, gonna get some kip - alarm is set for 10am! See you on the other side.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,289
    Scoreboard below does not include Herts.

    When BBC say "after 7 councils" they mean result of 7 councils is in (ie who controls). But they don't input councillor numbers until all seats are declared. So councillor numbers are actually after 6 councils.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,760
    Labour takes North Tyneside elected mayoral post

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-22371200
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    AndyJS said:

    So in Lincolnshire the LD vote fell by 14.6% but Labour only increased by 6%.

    Did the other 8.6% go to the Tories ?
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