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  • felix
    felix Posts: 15,180
    Jonathan said:

    Petrol stations closed?

    No
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    Alistair said:

    RobD said:

    Alistair said:

    I was assured that there was going to be evidence in the trial that meant Sturgeon would have to immediately resign mid trial.

    I just find it funny that the biggest peacetime restriction on personal freedom was just announced, and you post this. :D:p
    I'm reading this thread about 2 hours behind.
    Well hello from the future. It's a dark place.
  • Andy_JS
    Andy_JS Posts: 36,292
    Deeply worrying times.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263
    HYUFD said:

    FFS, dickhead on Sky already going "oh how do you enforce it is somebodies 1st walk or their 10th of day".

    Look you massive bell-end, education the public what they should do, not how not to do it.

    Local police can see
    What local police?
  • glw
    glw Posts: 10,463
    Jonathan said:

    Never seen anything like it.

    Yes. I just hope in finally sinks in amongst the 10% or so who seem to think they are having a holiday.
  • Am I missing something? He's not actually banned people from going to work? So factories and building sites still OK to run?
  • Good stuff from Johnson. There can be no doubts now.

    It was good. He's convincing on a script like all good actors. He's just shite at improv.
  • nichomar
    nichomar Posts: 7,483
    Jonathan said:

    Petrol stations closed?

    Jonathan said:

    Petrol stations closed?

    Obviously there is a lot of detail to follow but he can’t cover it all in five minutes. Should have done it whilst they had a chance to get in front of the game but we all are where we are.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,739
    edited March 2020

    Bienvenue to the lockdown club everyone

    I have been a member for the past 2 weeks. Still not had to crack open the box set of Breaking Bad yet. I do think I might start looking like Tom Hanks in Castaway in a few weeks though.
  • Gallowgate
    Gallowgate Posts: 20,709
    HYUFD said:

    FFS, dickhead on Sky already going "oh how do you enforce it is somebodies 1st walk or their 10th of day".

    Look you massive bell-end, education the public what they should do, not how not to do it.

    Local police can see
    This is the funniest comment I’ve read all day.
  • Andy_JS
    Andy_JS Posts: 36,292
    Jonathan said:

    Petrol stations closed?

    Key workers need petrol.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113

    In some ways this is clever. It doesn’t seem very drastic because we’ve been half doing it for 2 weeks.

    Only way it would be accepted and (mostly) followed. People are ready to hear it now.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    There is new series of HIGNFY. Remember when this guy was the host. Times change.

    Got boring when it just became a Brexit bashing fest.

    Most BBC comedy is awful now.
    Please clarify what you’re referring to.
    HIGNFY
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    Charles said:

    isam said:
    On Today this morning they stated that - on the basis of the 233 number - we were bang in line with Italy. It was poor reporting by an organisation that should be able to fact check
    They’re still at it. This is from the current BBC news special

  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,739
    Thanks Nicola for reading out the same script.
  • nichomar
    nichomar Posts: 7,483
    HYUFD said:

    Him saying shopping for basic necessities as infrequently as possible means that many people will now try and do very big shops tomorrow.

    As I said earlier. Shopping will be one of the few things you can go out to do. Everyone will shop every day out of boredom.

    I take it that all the work by restaurants to convert to takeaway operation have all wasted their time/money?
    For a week no, takeaways did good business then
    Home delivery will take off even more
  • rkrkrk
    rkrkrk Posts: 8,746
    On thing I've never got is why reporters have to stand outside buildings like Scotland Yard just to have a nice background. At a time like this, seems particularly stupid.
  • TheWhiteRabbit
    TheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    glw said:

    Jonathan said:

    Never seen anything like it.

    Yes. I just hope in finally sinks in amongst the 10% or so who seem to think they are having a holiday.
    Did we ever get this far in NI? I think it is quite literally without precedent elsewhere.
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    edited March 2020
    Sturgeon presser:

    https://twitter.com/scotgov/status/1242190410358939648?s=20

    Funerals immediate family only
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045

    Sandpit said:

    I remember a week ago saying we were in a terrible state for Critical Care beds and ventilators and being told our number made economic sense even though it was the lowest in Europe.


    We will pay a terrible price for it in terms of deaths and sacrificing the oldest most poorly over next few weeks imo via rationing ventilators.

    Taxpayers will also pay Trillion £+ trying to make up ground and stop the economy going to rat shit as well as firefighting the Tsunami of deaths.

    I wish you would get your facts correct. Not the lowest in Europe at all. This is like you claim of x50 the cost for renting private beds.

    Sweden, Greece, Ireland, Finland, Slovakia, etc.....all have less. We have the same as social democrats / socialist favourite European example country, Denmark.

    It is correct Germany have way way more.
    Per 100,000 population

    Germany 29.2
    Italy 12.5
    Spain 9.6
    France 11.6
    UK 6.3

    We are worse than Andorra FFS
    The UK number has doubled from your numbers in the past week, and there's a plan for 30,000 more (up to Germany levels) to come from UK engineering companies including F1 teams over the coming days and weeks.
    Rubbish every country is trying desperately to up their numbers but we are still lagging behind.

    Ventilators worst of any major European Country
    Acute beds same
    Critical Care Beds same

    Find the actual numbers to disprove me

    Like "250, 000 tests" its bullshit
    I'll start with the Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/23/carmakers-make-nhs-ventilators-coronavirus-uk-government-nissan-rolls-royce

    Then the publication of the actual spec by the government:
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/specification-for-ventilators-to-be-used-in-uk-hospitals-during-the-coronavirus-covid-19-outbreak

    Then go to the BBC:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/business-52006907/the-prodrive-motorsport-company-it-switching-its-factory-to-ventilators

    Here's Sky News:
    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-extraordinary-uk-effort-to-produce-thousands-more-ventilators-11961559

    And even the Daily Mail - all seven UK-based F1 teams now involved.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8140001/Coronavirus-UK-Seven-Formula-One-teams-workforces-set-making-life-saving-ventilators-NHS.html
  • kinabalu
    kinabalu Posts: 46,273
    So no change then. Just a more serious tone. I am relieved.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    kinabalu said:

    So no change then. Just a more serious tone. I am relieved.

    The police just got sweeping powers to disperse groups of a few people or more. I think there's been a slight change. :o
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,314

    HYUFD said:

    FFS, dickhead on Sky already going "oh how do you enforce it is somebodies 1st walk or their 10th of day".

    Look you massive bell-end, education the public what they should do, not how not to do it.

    Local police can see
    This is the funniest comment I’ve read all day.
    They are only going to be looking in key locations like town centres, London parks etc.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    edited March 2020
    HYUFD said:

    FFS, dickhead on Sky already going "oh how do you enforce it is somebodies 1st walk or their 10th of day".

    Look you massive bell-end, education the public what they should do, not how not to do it.

    Local police can see
    As much admiration as I have for the local community policing team and there many colleagues whom Ih ave sporadic work with, I'm not sure they have the level of reach you might think. Voluntary compliance backed up with the power of enforcement does not mean they can track everyone. Hopefully enough to deter those who flout the instruction.
  • RobD said:

    kinabalu said:

    So no change then. Just a more serious tone. I am relieved.

    The police just got sweeping powers to disperse groups of a few people or more. I think there's been a slight change. :o
    What police.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    rkrkrk said:

    On thing I've never got is why reporters have to stand outside buildings like Scotland Yard just to have a nice background. At a time like this, seems particularly stupid.

    Greenscreen it like The Daily Show.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609

    RobD said:

    kinabalu said:

    So no change then. Just a more serious tone. I am relieved.

    The police just got sweeping powers to disperse groups of a few people or more. I think there's been a slight change. :o
    What police.
    Have they all disappeared or something?
  • LostPassword
    LostPassword Posts: 19,679

    Am I missing something? He's not actually banned people from going to work? So factories and building sites still OK to run?

    Yes. I'm sure there will still be some dickhead office bosses who insist that their employees are not able to work from home too. I think there's still a risk that we will still see crowds on the tube after this, but perhaps the theatre of the announcement will have an effect. Certainly hope so.
  • nichomar
    nichomar Posts: 7,483
    felix said:


    Him saying shopping for basic necessities as infrequently as possible means that many people will now try and do very big shops tomorrow.

    Maybe - here in my part of Spain the panic buying tailed off pretty soon. All tunning quite smoothly now. Re-assuring to have army and police patrolling from time to time.
    Not seen the army but we have plenty of police officers, supermarkets calm and well stocked, i was doing daily trip to relieve the boredom but am only going to go when I need things, it’s not worth the risk.
  • Floater
    Floater Posts: 14,207

    RobD said:

    kinabalu said:

    So no change then. Just a more serious tone. I am relieved.

    The police just got sweeping powers to disperse groups of a few people or more. I think there's been a slight change. :o
    What police.
    Some people just have to complain
  • Andy_JS
    Andy_JS Posts: 36,292
    They should have closed the London Underground to everyone except key workers about a week ago, and also things like the London flower market that has been in the news.
  • kinabalu
    kinabalu Posts: 46,273
    RobD said:

    The police just got sweeping powers to disperse groups of a few people or more. I think there's been a slight change. :o

    Sure. But in practice not a massive deal. People can still go out and about, that's the main thing. I was fearing something more draconian.
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
  • Denspark
    Denspark Posts: 68
    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Him saying shopping for basic necessities as infrequently as possible means that many people will now try and do very big shops tomorrow.

    As I said earlier. Shopping will be one of the few things you can go out to do. Everyone will shop every day out of boredom.

    I take it that all the work by restaurants to convert to takeaway operation have all wasted their time/money?
    For a week no, takeaways did good business then
    Home delivery will take off even more
    If they stay open. I checked my just eat options around 8pm , normally round my area in edinburgh there's approx 160 places that do delivery. At 8pm tonight it was 108. Its now down to 96....95 now.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263

    Sturgeon presser:

    https://twitter.com/scotgov/status/1242190410358939648?s=20

    Funerals immediate family only

    That’s an unfortunate juxtaposition.
  • glw
    glw Posts: 10,463
    rkrkrk said:

    On thing I've never got is why reporters have to stand outside buildings like Scotland Yard just to have a nice background. At a time like this, seems particularly stupid.

    As I said a few days ago I can't fathom why they are allowed to stand outside No. 10 at a times like this for such pointless effect.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Him saying shopping for basic necessities as infrequently as possible means that many people will now try and do very big shops tomorrow.

    As I said earlier. Shopping will be one of the few things you can go out to do. Everyone will shop every day out of boredom.

    I take it that all the work by restaurants to convert to takeaway operation have all wasted their time/money?
    For a week no, takeaways did good business then
    Home delivery will take off even more
    They don't have the capacity.
  • Floater
    Floater Posts: 14,207

    There will be a reckoning for China after this.

    The world will demand they clamp down on hygiene, animal welfare and trading and sanitary standards.

    That would be WACIST!!!!!
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    Jonathan said:

    Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?

    Sounds as though 90% were already following the advice, if that YouGov poll is anything to go by.
  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,312
    If only a pandemic had been taken as seriously as global warming by policy makers and pressure groups.

    I hope that all PB contributors, posters and readers do not lose any close, loved ones whilst Corvid19 is at large.
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    felix said:


    Him saying shopping for basic necessities as infrequently as possible means that many people will now try and do very big shops tomorrow.

    Maybe - here in my part of Spain the panic buying tailed off pretty soon. All tunning quite smoothly now. Re-assuring to have army and police patrolling from time to time.
    The same happened in Los Angeles. Initially supermarkets were completely sold out. Now, they're basically fine. (Except for loo paper, which people are hoarding.)
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    kinabalu said:

    RobD said:

    The police just got sweeping powers to disperse groups of a few people or more. I think there's been a slight change. :o

    Sure. But in practice not a massive deal. People can still go out and about, that's the main thing. I was fearing something more draconian.
    lol, more draconian? :p
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045

    There will be a reckoning for China after this.

    The world will demand they clamp down on hygiene, animal welfare and trading and sanitary standards.

    Well, there's going to be one brash American talking about Wuhan Flu until at least November 3rd.
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    Is online shopping essential? Will Amazon close?
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    I remember a week ago saying we were in a terrible state for Critical Care beds and ventilators and being told our number made economic sense even though it was the lowest in Europe.


    We will pay a terrible price for it in terms of deaths and sacrificing the oldest most poorly over next few weeks imo via rationing ventilators.

    Taxpayers will also pay Trillion £+ trying to make up ground and stop the economy going to rat shit as well as firefighting the Tsunami of deaths.

    I wish you would get your facts correct. Not the lowest in Europe at all. This is like you claim of x50 the cost for renting private beds.

    Sweden, Greece, Ireland, Finland, Slovakia, etc.....all have less. We have the same as social democrats / socialist favourite European example country, Denmark.

    It is correct Germany have way way more.
    Per 100,000 population

    Germany 29.2
    Italy 12.5
    Spain 9.6
    France 11.6
    UK 6.3

    We are worse than Andorra FFS
    The UK number has doubled from your numbers in the past week, and there's a plan for 30,000 more (up to Germany levels) to come from UK engineering companies including F1 teams over the coming days and weeks.
    Rubbish every country is trying desperately to up their numbers but we are still lagging behind.

    Ventilators worst of any major European Country
    Acute beds same
    Critical Care Beds same

    Find the actual numbers to disprove me

    Like "250, 000 tests" its bullshit
    I'll start with the Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/23/carmakers-make-nhs-ventilators-coronavirus-uk-government-nissan-rolls-royce

    Then the publication of the actual spec by the government:
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/specification-for-ventilators-to-be-used-in-uk-hospitals-during-the-coronavirus-covid-19-outbreak

    Then go to the BBC:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/business-52006907/the-prodrive-motorsport-company-it-switching-its-factory-to-ventilators

    Here's Sky News:
    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-extraordinary-uk-effort-to-produce-thousands-more-ventilators-11961559

    And even the Daily Mail - all seven UK-based F1 teams now involved.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8140001/Coronavirus-UK-Seven-Formula-One-teams-workforces-set-making-life-saving-ventilators-NHS.html
    How many extra are in place NOW? They are needed in some places now.

  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    Jonathan said:

    Is online shopping essential? Will Amazon close?

    I guess the problem is gatherings of large numbers of people. You don't have that when ordering online.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    edited March 2020
    Jonathan said:

    Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?

    They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.

    We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
  • felix
    felix Posts: 15,180
    Every country gets some things very wrong:

    'The Spanish army has started to deep clean OAP residency homes across the country - and has already reported several cases of coming across dead residents, ignored by staff. Just the tip of the iceberg of the neglect and horror of many public OAP residency homes in Spain. '
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263
    Oh dear, Mark Drakeford.

    All shops to be closed, ‘except those selling food, medicines, banks and post offices.’
  • Floater
    Floater Posts: 14,207
    Member of Whitehouse press corp appears to have gone down with Covid
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Sandpit said:

    There will be a reckoning for China after this.

    The world will demand they clamp down on hygiene, animal welfare and trading and sanitary standards.

    Well, there's going to be one brash American talking about Wuhan Flu until at least November 3rd.
    Far too much nasty shit has come out of there the last 20 years.

    Time they cleaned up their act.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    isam said:
    And I fully expect life to go on afterwards. Just need to hunker down for this critical phase.
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    kinabalu said:

    So no change then. Just a more serious tone. I am relieved.

    The police just got sweeping powers to disperse groups of a few people or more. I think there's been a slight change. :o
    What police.
    Have they all disappeared or something?
    Yes. 25k+ gone. An utter lack of police to carry out basic function already, never mind enforcing stay at home orders
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    Is online shopping essential? Will Amazon close?

    I guess the problem is gatherings of large numbers of people. You don't have that when ordering online.
    The staff are at risk.
  • Andy_JS
    Andy_JS Posts: 36,292
    Jonathan said:

    Is online shopping essential? Will Amazon close?

    If they stop online shopping it'll cause a big increase in the number of people going to supermarkets, which surely isn't a good idea.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,739
    edited March 2020
    Jonathan said:

    Is online shopping essential? Will Amazon close?

    Amazon have already been very busy reordering priorities. They won't take any stock from 3rd parties for non-essentials. I think it is clear they will just become more and more focused on essentials.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Jonathan said:

    Is online shopping essential? Will Amazon close?

    Lord I hope not, I've many parcels incoming.

    Perhaps if the government funded everyone a free kindle for the duration.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    kinabalu said:

    So no change then. Just a more serious tone. I am relieved.

    The police just got sweeping powers to disperse groups of a few people or more. I think there's been a slight change. :o
    What police.
    Have they all disappeared or something?
    Yes. 25k+ gone. An utter lack of police to carry out basic function already, never mind enforcing stay at home orders
    Utter lack of police to carry out basic functions? OK.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Floater said:

    There will be a reckoning for China after this.

    The world will demand they clamp down on hygiene, animal welfare and trading and sanitary standards.

    That would be WACIST!!!!!
    I don't care. I'm sick of the virtue-signalling morons looking for racism everywhere and thinking it's the only thing that matters.

    China need to be held to account for their poor regulation and enforcement and clean up their act.

    No ifs no buts.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,739
    edited March 2020
    Jesus F##king Christ, dickhead #2 on Sky saying who knows if you take more than one run a day.

    Look you complete cretin, educate the public and of course if the police keep seeing the same idiot out and about they will have the powers to say what the hell you are doing. And the idea is that 90% of the public won't take the piss.
  • FFS, dickhead on Sky already going "oh how do you enforce it is somebodies 1st walk or their 10th of day".

    Look you massive bell-end, education the public what they should do, not how not to do it.

    I'm sure the local busybody/wannabe stasi will be grassing people up & generally wasting police time too.
  • Theuniondivvie
    Theuniondivvie Posts: 44,328
    RobD said:

    Alistair said:

    I was assured that there was going to be evidence in the trial that meant Sturgeon would have to immediately resign mid trial.

    I just find it funny that the biggest peacetime restriction on personal freedom was just announced, and you post this. :D:p
    As if certain PBers wouldn't be going at it hammer and tongs if a) Salmond was found guilty and b) Sturgeon was somehow implicated.

    Not you, of course.

    Well, probably not you.

    Well..
  • Benpointer
    Benpointer Posts: 35,627

    Good stuff from Johnson. There can be no doubts now.

    He doing his best but he's not suited to this type of thing, he has no gravitas no matter how hard he tries.

    It's a bit like getting Tommy Cooper to deliver a university physics lecture - not the person you'd choose.
  • tyson
    tyson Posts: 6,122
    HYUFD said:

    Him saying shopping for basic necessities as infrequently as possible means that many people will now try and do very big shops tomorrow.

    As I said earlier. Shopping will be one of the few things you can go out to do. Everyone will shop every day out of boredom.

    I take it that all the work by restaurants to convert to takeaway operation have all wasted their time/money?
    For a week no, takeaways did good business then
    I'm sorry Hyfud....sometimes you just seem to post such utter tosh....pubs were only closed 3 nights ago...and my local had gone to a huge amount of effort to set themselves up as a takeaway in these 2 days.....
  • Floater
    Floater Posts: 14,207

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    kinabalu said:

    So no change then. Just a more serious tone. I am relieved.

    The police just got sweeping powers to disperse groups of a few people or more. I think there's been a slight change. :o
    What police.
    Have they all disappeared or something?
    Yes. 25k+ gone. An utter lack of police to carry out basic function already, never mind enforcing stay at home orders
    Perhaps they might spend a little less time reading peoples twitter feeds and you know, do some real policing
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    Jonathan said:

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    Is online shopping essential? Will Amazon close?

    I guess the problem is gatherings of large numbers of people. You don't have that when ordering online.
    The staff are at risk.
    The photos of amazon warehouses that I have seen do not look anywhere near as packed as shops on the high street.
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    I mean, honestly, who goes on more than one walk in a day? Dog walkers maybe? But really, it’s the groups of people hanging around together that needs stopping.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    isam said:
    What point is he trying to make by calling him Alexander? Yes it is his name, but no one in public life calls him that.
  • TheWhiteRabbit
    TheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    isam said:
    if Peter Hitchens can't tell the difference between Boris Johnson in a crisis and a totalitarian government, that is his problem.
  • Good stuff from Johnson. There can be no doubts now.

    It was good. He's convincing on a script like all good actors. He's just shite at improv.
    My daughter who is not the least political was very impressed with Boris saying his is the leader the country needs

    I expect that will be shared by many

    PS.

    My youngest son has text saying it is very tough but very impressed with Boris's tone
  • nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Him saying shopping for basic necessities as infrequently as possible means that many people will now try and do very big shops tomorrow.

    As I said earlier. Shopping will be one of the few things you can go out to do. Everyone will shop every day out of boredom.

    I take it that all the work by restaurants to convert to takeaway operation have all wasted their time/money?
    For a week no, takeaways did good business then
    Home delivery will take off even more
    They don't have the capacity.
    And this is the problem. People cannot order online shopping as online shopping was never set up and resourced to manage more than the small market share they had. There aren't a huge number of extra vans and drivers and order pickers sat idle waiting to be switched on.
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    isam said:
    Peter Hitchens is playing the game, so beloved of the Left in the Cameron days, of using someone's lesser used forename as a form of derision.

    From Gideon Osborne to Alexander Johnson.

    I didn't like it then, and I don't like it now.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    'At least' is probably missing from that sentence.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609

    RobD said:

    Alistair said:

    I was assured that there was going to be evidence in the trial that meant Sturgeon would have to immediately resign mid trial.

    I just find it funny that the biggest peacetime restriction on personal freedom was just announced, and you post this. :D:p
    As if certain PBers wouldn't be going at it hammer and tongs if a) Salmond was found guilty and b) Sturgeon was somehow implicated.

    Not you, of course.

    Well, probably not you.

    Well..
    I haven't actually been following the trial, and have no idea what this Sturgeon angle is. I think I even defended him earlier in the thread.
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    We know the government was against freedom of movement, but this is ridiculous.
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    isam said:
    Mad Hitch will be howling at the moon at midnight...
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,314
    dr_spyn said:

    If only a pandemic had been taken as seriously as global warming by policy makers and pressure groups.

    I hope that all PB contributors, posters and readers do not lose any close, loved ones whilst Corvid19 is at large.

    When you are told to stay indoors until the planet cools down, I hope you have some good box sets.
  • Benpointer
    Benpointer Posts: 35,627
    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    Is online shopping essential? Will Amazon close?

    I guess the problem is gatherings of large numbers of people. You don't have that when ordering online.
    The staff are at risk.
    The photos of amazon warehouses that I have seen do not look anywhere near as packed as shops on the high street.
    Didn't Boris encourage getting things delivered? Does that only include food and meds? I think not. No sign of eBay and Amazon closing.
  • Benpointer
    Benpointer Posts: 35,627

    Floater said:

    There will be a reckoning for China after this.

    The world will demand they clamp down on hygiene, animal welfare and trading and sanitary standards.

    That would be WACIST!!!!!
    I don't care. I'm sick of the virtue-signalling morons looking for racism everywhere and thinking it's the only thing that matters.

    China need to be held to account for their poor regulation and enforcement and clean up their act.

    No ifs no buts.

    No hows either... How is that 'holding to account' going to happen?
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    Serious Boris. Seen it all now.

    My expectation is that all civil business in the courts will now stop with the exception of emergency orders. I am effectively out of work. Hey ho.
  • felix
    felix Posts: 15,180
    Jonathan said:

    Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?

    Most will - there'llalways be idiots who won't. I believe the aim is around 90% compliance.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,739

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    Is online shopping essential? Will Amazon close?

    I guess the problem is gatherings of large numbers of people. You don't have that when ordering online.
    The staff are at risk.
    The photos of amazon warehouses that I have seen do not look anywhere near as packed as shops on the high street.
    Didn't Boris encourage getting things delivered? Does that only include food and meds? I think not. No sign of eBay and Amazon closing.
    In China, they allowed the equivalent of them running. They did only allow 2-3 companies and drivers had to had a particular accreditation, but they did whizz about Wuhan delivering all sorts of stuff.
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    kinabalu said:

    So no change then. Just a more serious tone. I am relieved.

    The police just got sweeping powers to disperse groups of a few people or more. I think there's been a slight change. :o
    What police.
    Have they all disappeared or something?
    Yes. 25k+ gone. An utter lack of police to carry out basic function already, never mind enforcing stay at home orders
    Utter lack of police to carry out basic functions? OK.
    Yup. Big increase in petty crime vandalism and ASB. Repeated public meetings demanding action with the local Inspector and PCC being very honest about how many officers they don't have.

    Sorry if you are in denial about just how fucked the police service has become over the last 10 years. We'll need the Army- what's left of it - to enforce this.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263
    GIN1138 said:

    isam said:
    Mad Hitch will be howling at the moon at midnight...
    Are saying he won’t were this lockdown?
  • Theuniondivvie
    Theuniondivvie Posts: 44,328
    edited March 2020
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Alistair said:

    I was assured that there was going to be evidence in the trial that meant Sturgeon would have to immediately resign mid trial.

    I just find it funny that the biggest peacetime restriction on personal freedom was just announced, and you post this. :D:p
    As if certain PBers wouldn't be going at it hammer and tongs if a) Salmond was found guilty and b) Sturgeon was somehow implicated.

    Not you, of course.

    Well, probably not you.

    Well..
    I haven't actually been following the trial, and have no idea what this Sturgeon angle is. I think I even defended him earlier in the thread.
    'Nicla knew!!!!'

    Edit: sorry, that should be 'Wee Nippy knew!!!!'
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    tlg86 said:

    I mean, honestly, who goes on more than one walk in a day? Dog walkers maybe? But really, it’s the groups of people hanging around together that needs stopping.

    Honestly you're probably right. Certainly I spend most of my time indoors anyway, as too much time on PBs hows. But as The Cat once noted, that's because we all knew we could walk out the door at any time. It will wrankle with people.

    But I think people have been sufficiently primed and compliance will be pretty high, though I expect we'll still get photos of people not doing so.
  • Nigelb
    Nigelb Posts: 79,358

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    I remember a week ago saying we were in a terrible state for Critical Care beds and ventilators and being told our number made economic sense even though it was the lowest in Europe.


    We will pay a terrible price for it in terms of deaths and sacrificing the oldest most poorly over next few weeks imo via rationing ventilators.

    Taxpayers will also pay Trillion £+ trying to make up ground and stop the economy going to rat shit as well as firefighting the Tsunami of deaths.

    I wish you would get your facts correct. Not the lowest in Europe at all. This is like you claim of x50 the cost for renting private beds.

    Sweden, Greece, Ireland, Finland, Slovakia, etc.....all have less. We have the same as social democrats / socialist favourite European example country, Denmark.

    It is correct Germany have way way more.
    Per 100,000 population

    Germany 29.2
    Italy 12.5
    Spain 9.6
    France 11.6
    UK 6.3

    We are worse than Andorra FFS
    The UK number has doubled from your numbers in the past week, and there's a plan for 30,000 more (up to Germany levels) to come from UK engineering companies including F1 teams over the coming days and weeks.
    Rubbish every country is trying desperately to up their numbers but we are still lagging behind.

    Ventilators worst of any major European Country
    Acute beds same
    Critical Care Beds same

    Find the actual numbers to disprove me

    Like "250, 000 tests" its bullshit
    I'll start with the Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/23/carmakers-make-nhs-ventilators-coronavirus-uk-government-nissan-rolls-royce

    Then the publication of the actual spec by the government:
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/specification-for-ventilators-to-be-used-in-uk-hospitals-during-the-coronavirus-covid-19-outbreak

    Then go to the BBC:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/business-52006907/the-prodrive-motorsport-company-it-switching-its-factory-to-ventilators

    Here's Sky News:
    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-extraordinary-uk-effort-to-produce-thousands-more-ventilators-11961559

    And even the Daily Mail - all seven UK-based F1 teams now involved.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8140001/Coronavirus-UK-Seven-Formula-One-teams-workforces-set-making-life-saving-ventilators-NHS.html
    How many extra are in place NOW? They are needed in some places now.

    They are - but one of the reasons for this lockdown is to gain time to improve the numbers.
  • Floater
    Floater Posts: 14,207
    GIN1138 said:

    isam said:
    Mad Hitch will be howling at the moon at midnight...
    He can fuck right off
  • Benpointer
    Benpointer Posts: 35,627
    DavidL said:

    Serious Boris. Seen it all now.

    My expectation is that all civil business in the courts will now stop with the exception of emergency orders. I am effectively out of work. Hey ho.

    Bad luck @DavidL - no consolation to know you are one amongst many.
  • felix
    felix Posts: 15,180
    kinabalu said:

    RobD said:

    The police just got sweeping powers to disperse groups of a few people or more. I think there's been a slight change. :o

    Sure. But in practice not a massive deal. People can still go out and about, that's the main thing. I was fearing something more draconian.
    Actually no. You have to have a valid reason to be 'out and about' - not so easy when everything is closed.
  • RobD said:

    isam said:
    And I fully expect life to go on afterwards. Just need to hunker down for this critical phase.
    These bed wetters would have been spouting the same crap during WW2.
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    Will this apply to everyone or are there exceptions? Will the queen have to rustle up a shepherds pie?
  • RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    Is online shopping essential? Will Amazon close?

    I guess the problem is gatherings of large numbers of people. You don't have that when ordering online.
    The staff are at risk.
    The photos of amazon warehouses that I have seen do not look anywhere near as packed as shops on the high street.
    Didn't Boris encourage getting things delivered? Does that only include food and meds? I think not. No sign of eBay and Amazon closing.
    I expect even Amazon will see a problem getting all the orders delivered on time
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,739
    Jonathan said:

    Will this apply to everyone or are there exceptions? Will the queen have to rustle up a shepherds pie?

    I bet Jezza is still going to ignore it.
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