Good stuff from Johnson. There can be no doubts now.
It was good. He's convincing on a script like all good actors. He's just shite at improv.
My daughter who is not the least political was very impressed with Boris saying his is the leader the country needs
I expect that will be shared by many
PS.
My youngest son has text saying it is very tough but very impressed with Boris's tone
I've just had my sister on the phone in utter panic about her two son's on the front line in NHS hospitals with very little protective clothing....
the lack of preparation these last weeks, and Boris's recent prevarication are an utter disgrace.....and have placed our NHS staff at risk
I don't think you'd be quite so sycophantic to Boris if your family were on the front line with the square root of fuck all to protect them....
The protective clothing issue has been addresed by Hancock today and HMG are doing everything possible to address shortages, but this issue is faced by all governments across the world
I am in the highest risk factor and will comply with HMG requirements
And my family are not political and if they commend Boris it upsets you somehow.
Furthermore when you attack Boris you attack the three first ministers and Khan who all attend Cobra and are party to these events.
Each has announced exactly the same policies across the devolved administrations tonight including here in Wales the closure of caravan sites, national parks and the cancellation of the Royal Welsh Show on the 20th July
I think you're wasting your time on Tyson. He's seen better days.
I cannot believe the sheers callousness of people on here to me raising issues about NHS staff being unprotected...
Doctors and nurses will die because the Govt has not planned in advance how to equip them properly for this pandemic.
Instead I have to come on here and see Big_G's nauseating sycophancy....
They will die, as they are in France, Italy, China and other countries.
Heartbreaking, but the sad reality, I want all health professionals to be safe but as I keep saying this is unprecedented
So no change then. Just a more serious tone. I am relieved.
The police just got sweeping powers to disperse groups of a few people or more. I think there's been a slight change.
What police.
Have they all disappeared or something?
Yes. 25k+ gone. An utter lack of police to carry out basic function already, never mind enforcing stay at home orders
Utter lack of police to carry out basic functions? OK.
Yup. Big increase in petty crime vandalism and ASB. Repeated public meetings demanding action with the local Inspector and PCC being very honest about how many officers they don't have.
Sorry if you are in denial about just how fucked the police service has become over the last 10 years. We'll need the Army- what's left of it - to enforce this.
If you are not out without legitimate reason you can be arrested, obviously that includes vandalism and ASB
Sure. But as we don't have sufficient police as it is to suppress vandalism and ASB I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Apart from providing your usual comedy relief for us all
We have 120,000 police at the moment, more including Police and Community Support Officers. If necessary the army and TA can be called out and patrol too. Every town, village and city and suburb in this country will soon have a police officer on street corners demanding to know why you are out and for how long and in a few weeks maybe your papers too. Criminals can do crime outside most easily when they can blend into the crowd, not when they are restricted from travel at all
Christ. Have you donned the jackboots and Hugo Boss outfit?
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
No it will only work by compliance, the one situation that I can see police getting involved in is gatherings in public places, the rest remains up to the individual. I run the risk of being stopped each time I’m out and need ID and a valid reason to be out, easy up till eight but more difficult afterwards. I’m not sure how you think the UK police can enforce this?
The police have the power of arrest and the power to fine.
Ultimately as a last resort the police have the water cannon, the rubber bullets and ultimately the guns, as do the military
Didn't Theresa May sell Johnson's water cannons from underneath him?
Also, uh, guns?
As a last resort if some resort to mob rule the PM can allow the police to use all their resources, including rubber bullets and tear gas etc, to enforce the rule of law
If you like that shit move to Spain.
It happened in Barcelona yes but it’s not a regular feature of policing as far as I can see I’m not sure where you get the view that the whole country is a police state. I don’t know anybody out here who objects to the current measures or is doing anything to get round them.
The rest of Britain was forced into massive lockdown because Londoners just carried on as normal.
A question for the history books?
Don't be silly.
A lot of truth in it IMO. The tube and the flower market were the last straws. People were far closer together in those places than on the beach or the park.
I do have sympathy for Londoners at this time but like everywhere else imbeciles ruin things for the majority.
And population density means there is a critical mass of imbeciles in London.
The middle professor on C4 News was excellent. A message of hope looking at other countries’ lockdown. Didn’t catch his name. We need to see more of him.
So no change then. Just a more serious tone. I am relieved.
The police just got sweeping powers to disperse groups of a few people or more. I think there's been a slight change.
What police.
Have they all disappeared or something?
Yes. 25k+ gone. An utter lack of police to carry out basic function already, never mind enforcing stay at home orders
Utter lack of police to carry out basic functions? OK.
Yup. Big increase in petty crime vandalism and ASB. Repeated public meetings demanding action with the local Inspector and PCC being very honest about how many officers they don't have.
Sorry if you are in denial about just how fucked the police service has become over the last 10 years. We'll need the Army- what's left of it - to enforce this.
If you are not out without legitimate reason you can be arrested, obviously that includes vandalism and ASB
Sure. But as we don't have sufficient police as it is to suppress vandalism and ASB I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Apart from providing your usual comedy relief for us all
We have 120,000 police at the moment, more including Police and Community Support Officers. If necessary the army and TA can be called out and patrol too. Every town, village and city and suburb in this country will soon have a police officer on street corners demanding to know why you are out and for how long and in a few weeks maybe your papers too. Criminals can do crime outside most easily when they can blend into the crowd, not when they are restricted from travel at all
You're having a laugh.
Let’s run some numbers for him. To be generous, let’s assume all 120,000 police can perform street policing roles. Then let’s assume 80,000 of all three services join them. These are actually mad assumptions but let’s go with it for the sake of argument. That’s 200,000.
Allowing for shift patterns, rest patterns, and increased sickness levels I’m going to say 1/6th will be available at any time (and that would be running really hot).
That’s around 33,000 on the street. I think a police officer in every village and on every street corner is rather a stretch.
I mean, honestly, who goes on more than one walk in a day? Dog walkers maybe? But really, it’s the groups of people hanging around together that needs stopping.
Also how long a walk would be considered reasonable. Is it ok to embark on a 10 mile walk in the countryside?
oh ffs - really? this is what you think is important
In fairness, it is a good question and an obvious loophole. Say I take my bike out. If I cycle to the end of Pye Green Road, is that the limit? Or onto Cannock Chase? Or right the way to Rugeley, or Penkridge, or Lichfield? None of those are more than about 40 minutes sharp pedalling away. Is that too far? Or too long? And if it is, how would hey know given bikes don’t have registration plates?
I will take my dog out 3 times a day - I will stay away from others and will not obsess about how long is ok.
I do not expect to be bothered by the police.
I will not waste time worrying about how long is acceptable either - I will not take the piss and I will act responsibly
Get a fucking grip people
I am perfectly capable of doing an all day bike ride - say to Ashbourne.
Would that count as one piece of exercise?
That is the sort of loophole that will come up if fines start to be issued.
(It’s unusual for me to find myself on the same side as Justin, btw.)
This sort of hand wringing is I have to say infantile.
All non-essential shops are closing, excluded are food shops, pharmacies, corner shops, hardware stores, petrol stations, pet shops, post offices, banks, newsagents and shops inside hospitals.
Garden centre exclusion would be helpful.
I haven't bought all my seeds and plants yet - wanted to grow to eat them.
Can't you get them delivered? Why would you need to go out to get them?
Johnson did very well, as any leader should when making such a speech (though Trump couldn’t). We now move into a genuine moment of history that will be written about for centuries to come. Good luck and best wishes to each and everyone of you.
Well said - a grown up comment standing out in the sea of ' can I take 2 walks? ' 'what about bike rides?' 'We have no police' 'I don't lke Boris' ....................blah blah blah
Gatwick still has scheduled departures tomorrow. How does that work?
People going home, Brits returning to the UK?
Emirates/Etihad entire fleets are grounded, Singapore has grounded 96% of its fleet.
As countries respond to the COVID-19 pandemic, including travel and border restrictions, the FCO advises British nationals against all but essential international travel. Any country or area may restrict travel without notice. If you live in the UK and are currently travelling abroad, you are strongly advised to return now, where and while there are still commercial routes available. Many airlines are suspending flights and many airports are closing, preventing flights from leaving.
All non-essential shops are closing, excluded are food shops, pharmacies, corner shops, hardware stores, petrol stations, pet shops, post offices, banks, newsagents and shops inside hospitals.
Garden centre exclusion would be helpful.
I haven't bought all my seeds and plants yet - wanted to grow to eat them.
You've got to be joking lol. Everyone will be at the Garden Centre if it's allowed to be open - particularly oldies.
It’s all I care about. Feeding the dogs and beginning gardening.
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
No it will only work by compliance, the one situation that I can see police getting involved in is gatherings in public places, the rest remains up to the individual. I run the risk of being stopped each time I’m out and need ID and a valid reason to be out, easy up till eight but more difficult afterwards. I’m not sure how you think the UK police can enforce this?
The police have the water cannon, the rubber bullets and ultimately the guns, as do the military
We are all Catalonians now, apparently...
You can always count on HYUFD to bring in the use of guns and the military somewhere in our own country.
Sorry but he has lost it recently
Do you think if HYUFD was in Cummings' position he would have advised Boris' to have worn a General's uniform for today's broadcast?
I think he would, and it would have added to the gravitas.
Interesting to note Boris is now the closest we have had to a dictator since Cromwell, albeit an elected one and with extraordinary powers necessitated by a health emergency.
Priti Patel is also the most powerful Home Secretary since WW2 tonight given the sweeping extra powers of arrest the police have
I may not be Johnson or Patel's biggest fan, but neither strike me as likely to use these temporary powers for nefarious purposes.
Trump, on the other hand might see a extension of his powers as an opportunity.
For someone who dodged the draft, I am also expecting Trump, ironically, to start dressing like Idi Amin from his the Dictator years.
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
No it will only work by compliance, the one situation that I can see police getting involved in is gatherings in public places, the rest remains up to the individual. I run the risk of being stopped each time I’m out and need ID and a valid reason to be out, easy up till eight but more difficult afterwards. I’m not sure how you think the UK police can enforce this?
The police have the water cannon, the rubber bullets and ultimately the guns, as do the military
We are all Catalonians now, apparently...
You can always count on HYUFD to bring in the use of guns and the military somewhere in our own country.
Sorry but he has lost it recently
Do you think if HYUFD was in Cummings' position he would have advised Boris' to have worn a General's uniform for today's broadcast?
I think he would, and it would have added to the gravitas.
I really could not imagine being in HYUFD or Cummings minds to be honest
Peter Hitchens is playing the game, so beloved of the Left in the Cameron days, of using someone's lesser used forename as a form of derision.
From Gideon Osborne to Alexander Johnson.
I didn't like it then, and I don't like it now.
I think Hitchens considers ‘Boris’ a kind of fictional character/trademark created by our PM
Hitchens opposes everything and everyone.
Nutter like his brother.
I don’t mind him using his middle name. I do object to the media using it in lieu of Johnson. We didn’t hear them talking about Margaret, John, Tony, Gordon, Dave or Theresa in the same way.
I still think that makes no sense to object about. It supposes that he derives some benefit to being known as Boris that I just don't buy, since people are quite capable of hating him or, like me, disliking him, whilst still calling him Boris. Yes, it's true most politicians do not go by their first name (or what is treated like their first name), what of it? His image and persona have developed using the name Boris, and frankly I think it's too late to prevent that and when people try it smacks of overdoing it.
Peter Hitchens is playing the game, so beloved of the Left in the Cameron days, of using someone's lesser used forename as a form of derision.
From Gideon Osborne to Alexander Johnson.
I didn't like it then, and I don't like it now.
I think Hitchens considers ‘Boris’ a kind of fictional character/trademark created by our PM
No doubt he called Gordon Brown 'James' as well. People who react so strongly to Boris being called Boris have never made sense to me, whatever their reasoning.
I don't think you should call the prime minister by just his first name. Very few people called Theresa May by just her first name. But if you are using forename & surname of course you should be using the name that person wants to be known by.
I mean, honestly, who goes on more than one walk in a day? Dog walkers maybe? But really, it’s the groups of people hanging around together that needs stopping.
Also how long a walk would be considered reasonable. Is it ok to embark on a 10 mile walk in the countryside?
oh ffs - really? this is what you think is important
In fairness, it is a good question and an obvious loophole. Say I take my bike out. If I cycle to the end of Pye Green Road, is that the limit? Or onto Cannock Chase? Or right the way to Rugeley, or Penkridge, or Lichfield? None of those are more than about 40 minutes sharp pedalling away. Is that too far? Or too long? And if it is, how would hey know given bikes don’t have registration plates?
I will take my dog out 3 times a day - I will stay away from others and will not obsess about how long is ok.
I do not expect to be bothered by the police.
I will not waste time worrying about how long is acceptable either - I will not take the piss and I will act responsibly
Get a fucking grip people
I am perfectly capable of doing an all day bike ride - say to Ashbourne.
Would that count as one piece of exercise?
That is the sort of loophole that will come up if fines start to be issued.
(It’s unusual for me to find myself on the same side as Justin, btw.)
This sort of hand wringing is I have to say infantile.
Is this really all you have to obsess over?
Whatever happened to common sense
You’re talking about a country that elected a failed chat show host as Prime Minister.
Gatwick still has scheduled departures tomorrow. How does that work?
People going home, Brits returning to the UK?
Emirates/Etihad entire fleets are grounded, Singapore has grounded 96% of its fleet.
As countries respond to the COVID-19 pandemic, including travel and border restrictions, the FCO advises British nationals against all but essential international travel. Any country or area may restrict travel without notice. If you live in the UK and are currently travelling abroad, you are strongly advised to return now, where and while there are still commercial routes available. Many airlines are suspending flights and many airports are closing, preventing flights from leaving.
So if you’re a foreigner the curfew doesn’t apply?
The FCO advises against all non-essential travel for Brits - effectively invalidating most travel insurance. If there are foreign nationals still here who want to go home, why shouldn't they? And if you want Brits to come home planes need to go out there in the first place...
Gatwick still has scheduled departures tomorrow. How does that work?
People going home, Brits returning to the UK?
Emirates/Etihad entire fleets are grounded, Singapore has grounded 96% of its fleet.
As countries respond to the COVID-19 pandemic, including travel and border restrictions, the FCO advises British nationals against all but essential international travel. Any country or area may restrict travel without notice. If you live in the UK and are currently travelling abroad, you are strongly advised to return now, where and while there are still commercial routes available. Many airlines are suspending flights and many airports are closing, preventing flights from leaving.
All non-essential shops are closing, excluded are food shops, pharmacies, corner shops, hardware stores, petrol stations, pet shops, post offices, banks, newsagents and shops inside hospitals.
Garden centre exclusion would be helpful.
I haven't bought all my seeds and plants yet - wanted to grow to eat them.
You've got to be joking lol. Everyone will be at the Garden Centre if it's allowed to be open - particularly oldies.
My inherent bias is showing. He says Asian-Americans are helping “us” - so they are not one of “us” - just helping “us”.
Doesn't us also work if they are a member of the group. What word would be appropriate instead? I can't think of one (although I'm probably just forgetting it).
Good stuff from Johnson. There can be no doubts now.
It was good. He's convincing on a script like all good actors. He's just shite at improv.
My daughter who is not the least political was very impressed with Boris saying his is the leader the country needs
I expect that will be shared by many
PS.
My youngest son has text saying it is very tough but very impressed with Boris's tone
I've just had my sister on the phone in utter panic about her two son's on the front line in NHS hospitals with very little protective clothing....
the lack of preparation these last weeks, and Boris's recent prevarication are an utter disgrace.....and have placed our NHS staff at risk
I don't think you'd be quite so sycophantic to Boris if your family were on the front line with the square root of fuck all to protect them....
The protective clothing issue has been addresed by Hancock today and HMG are doing everything possible to address shortages, but this issue is faced by all governments across the world
I am in the highest risk factor and will comply with HMG requirements
And my family are not political and if they commend Boris it upsets you somehow.
Furthermore when you attack Boris you attack the three first ministers and Khan who all attend Cobra and are party to these events.
Each has announced exactly the same policies across the devolved administrations tonight including here in Wales the closure of caravan sites, national parks and the cancellation of the Royal Welsh Show on the 20th July
I think you're wasting your time on Tyson. He's seen better days.
I cannot believe the sheers callousness of people on here to me raising issues about NHS staff being unprotected...
Doctors and nurses will die because the Govt has not planned in advance how to equip them properly for this pandemic.
Instead I have to come on here and see Big_G's nauseating sycophancy....
How do you plan for a pandemic? I'm sure the Govt would welcome your advice on where and when the next one will arrive. What it will look like would help too.
Good stuff from Johnson. There can be no doubts now.
It was good. He's convincing on a script like all good actors. He's just shite at improv.
My daughter who is not the least political was very impressed with Boris saying his is the leader the country needs
I expect that will be shared by many
PS.
My youngest son has text saying it is very tough but very impressed with Boris's tone
I've just had my sister on the phone in utter panic about her two son's on the front line in NHS hospitals with very little protective clothing....
the lack of preparation these last weeks, and Boris's recent prevarication are an utter disgrace.....and have placed our NHS staff at risk
I don't think you'd be quite so sycophantic to Boris if your family were on the front line with the square root of fuck all to protect them....
The protective clothing issue has been addresed by Hancock today and HMG are doing everything possible to address shortages, but this issue is faced by all governments across the world
I am in the highest risk factor and will comply with HMG requirements
And my family are not political and if they commend Boris it upsets you somehow.
Furthermore when you attack Boris you attack the three first ministers and Khan who all attend Cobra and are party to these events.
Each has announced exactly the same policies across the devolved administrations tonight including here in Wales the closure of caravan sites, national parks and the cancellation of the Royal Welsh Show on the 20th July
I think you're wasting your time on Tyson. He's seen better days.
I cannot believe the sheers callousness of people on here to me raising issues about NHS staff being unprotected...
Doctors and nurses will die because the Govt has not planned in advance how to equip them properly for this pandemic.
Instead I have to come on here and see Big_G's nauseating sycophancy....
So no change then. Just a more serious tone. I am relieved.
The police just got sweeping powers to disperse groups of a few people or more. I think there's been a slight change.
What police.
Have they all disappeared or something?
Yes. 25k+ gone. An utter lack of police to carry out basic function already, never mind enforcing stay at home orders
Utter lack of police to carry out basic functions? OK.
Yup. Big increase in petty crime vandalism and ASB. Repeated public meetings demanding action with the local Inspector and PCC being very honest about how many officers they don't have.
Sorry if you are in denial about just how fucked the police service has become over the last 10 years. We'll need the Army- what's left of it - to enforce this.
If you are not out without legitimate reason you can be arrested, obviously that includes vandalism and ASB
Sure. But as we don't have sufficient police as it is to suppress vandalism and ASB I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Apart from providing your usual comedy relief for us all
We have 120,000 police at the moment, more including Police and Community Support Officers. If necessary the army and TA can be called out and patrol too. Every town, village and city and suburb in this country will soon have a police officer on street corners demanding to know why you are out and for how long and in a few weeks maybe your papers too. Criminals can do crime outside most easily when they can blend into the crowd, not when they are restricted from travel at all
Christ. Have you donned the jackboots and Hugo Boss outfit?
All non-essential shops are closing, excluded are food shops, pharmacies, corner shops, hardware stores, petrol stations, pet shops, post offices, banks, newsagents and shops inside hospitals.
Garden centre exclusion would be helpful.
I haven't bought all my seeds and plants yet - wanted to grow to eat them.
Can't you get them delivered? Why would you need to go out to get them?
Gatwick still has scheduled departures tomorrow. How does that work?
People going home, Brits returning to the UK?
Emirates/Etihad entire fleets are grounded, Singapore has grounded 96% of its fleet.
As countries respond to the COVID-19 pandemic, including travel and border restrictions, the FCO advises British nationals against all but essential international travel. Any country or area may restrict travel without notice. If you live in the UK and are currently travelling abroad, you are strongly advised to return now, where and while there are still commercial routes available. Many airlines are suspending flights and many airports are closing, preventing flights from leaving.
Peter Hitchens is playing the game, so beloved of the Left in the Cameron days, of using someone's lesser used forename as a form of derision.
From Gideon Osborne to Alexander Johnson.
I didn't like it then, and I don't like it now.
I think Hitchens considers ‘Boris’ a kind of fictional character/trademark created by our PM
Hitchens opposes everything and everyone.
Nutter like his brother.
I don’t mind him using his middle name. I do object to the media using it in lieu of Johnson. We didn’t hear them talking about Margaret, John, Tony, Gordon, Dave or Theresa in the same way.
Er... Surely it was: Maggie this, Maggie that...?
True. My point holds for the subsequent incumbents though
@kle4 I think Boris prevaricated because at the start because he essentially doesn't believe in the state.....
It would be the same if we had Corbyn in charge if we were attacked by the Russians....
Ultimately they would both do the right thing.....but their political ideology slows them down....
NHS frontline staff are woefully unprotected...this is today....this is due to the Govt not taking the threat seriously enough at the outset (ideological) and not having the organisational ability how to do it (competence)
So does everyone in the NHS need Boris Johnson to tell them to order more PPE ?
Nobody capable of doing so on their own initiative ?
I cannot begin to tell you how woefully unprepared the NHS is in London are today....we had probably 2 months.....at least 2 protective clothing for staff....
ICU beds are another matter and technical equipment....but at least protective equipment....
Other stuff would have been easy too..accommodation nearby for those who can take it....the staff are using public transport...they are not even getting access to use the car parks for free
All non-essential shops are closing, excluded are food shops, pharmacies, corner shops, hardware stores, petrol stations, pet shops, post offices, banks, newsagents and shops inside hospitals.
Garden centre exclusion would be helpful.
I haven't bought all my seeds and plants yet - wanted to grow to eat them.
Can't you get them delivered? Why would you need to go out to get them?
Good point. Could do that.
I need soil (compost) too.
Hmm.
If hardware stores are still open, some B&Qs have garden centres in them...
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
No it will only work by compliance, the one situation that I can see police getting involved in is gatherings in public places, the rest remains up to the individual. I run the risk of being stopped each time I’m out and need ID and a valid reason to be out, easy up till eight but more difficult afterwards. I’m not sure how you think the UK police can enforce this?
The police have the water cannon, the rubber bullets and ultimately the guns, as do the military
We are all Catalonians now, apparently...
You can always count on HYUFD to bring in the use of guns and the military somewhere in our own country.
Sorry but he has lost it recently
Do you think if HYUFD was in Cummings' position he would have advised Boris' to have worn a General's uniform for today's broadcast?
I think he would, and it would have added to the gravitas.
Interesting to note Boris is now the closest we have had to a dictator since Cromwell, albeit an elected one and with extraordinary powers necessitated by a health emergency.
Priti Patel is also the most powerful Home Secretary since WW2 tonight given the sweeping extra powers of arrest the police have
My inherent bias is showing. He says Asian-Americans are helping “us” - so they are not one of “us” - just helping “us”.
Doesn't us also work if they are a member of the group. What word would be appropriate instead? I can't think of one (although I'm probably just forgetting it).
“We”. He could have said something along the lines of “...they are part of our great nation and together we will...”.
Peter Hitchens is playing the game, so beloved of the Left in the Cameron days, of using someone's lesser used forename as a form of derision.
From Gideon Osborne to Alexander Johnson.
I didn't like it then, and I don't like it now.
I think Hitchens considers ‘Boris’ a kind of fictional character/trademark created by our PM
Hitchens opposes everything and everyone.
Nutter like his brother.
I don’t mind him using his middle name. I do object to the media using it in lieu of Johnson. We didn’t hear them talking about Margaret, John, Tony, Gordon, Dave or Theresa in the same way.
Er... Surely it was: Maggie this, Maggie that...?
"Tha'cher" was more common. While Maggie was used by her opponents, it was certainly used more by her fawners.
If you have a girlfriend you don’t live with, you can’t see each other? Single people are fucked!
STDs will be through the floor
I wonder what the scoop is for separated couples that split custody of their kids. Changeovers in the park?
I’ve just this minute got off the phone to my mate who is in exactly that situation. He seems to assume he has to be allowed to see his son, I wouldn’t be so sure
There not of people self isolating in convertible MGs today. Somehow I can’t see the roads being empty or the police pulling over vehicles to check where people are going quite yet.
@Big_G_NorthWales I don't think there is any comparison between a doctor who has no choice other than to work on a respiratory ward without protective equipment...and gets exposed over and over again to this virus,......and your family member who can self isolate...
If the blood test for your wife is not necessary...tell her to stay away....hospitals are not safe
All the people asking stupid questions, did people in the war when asked to make sure they operated a blackout and got in the bomb shelters start moaning not enough direction if I should go if it is on a night when I get my ingrowing toenails done.
Of course the state can't enforce every single part of it. The idea is that the vast majority don't try and go for 10 runs a day for LOLs and they enforce it against the worst offenders who are out and about for no good reason and use your f##king brain, do everything possible to minimize your contact with everybody outside your family unit.
If Boris had tried to list every single job and task on a nasty or nice list he would still be there when everybody is dead from the damn virus.
If you have a girlfriend you don’t live with, you can’t see each other? Single people are fucked!
STDs will be through the floor
I wonder what the scoop is for separated couples that split custody of their kids. Changeovers in the park?
My daughter just asked same question, the answer is that because the rules are so lax and the policing impossible you just carry on as normal.
That goes for a lot of things at the moment. How does a landlord or a lender get a warrant of possession if the county court isn’t holding hearings? The upcoming backlog alone will cripple them.
My inherent bias is showing. He says Asian-Americans are helping “us” - so they are not one of “us” - just helping “us”.
Doesn't us also work if they are a member of the group. What word would be appropriate instead? I can't think of one (although I'm probably just forgetting it).
“We”. He could have said something along the lines of “...they are part of our great nation and together we will...”.
Ah, I was trying to think of a word you could just drop in. I don't think one exists. Agreed your version would be better, but Trump isn't exactly known for his elegant prose, is he.
Peter Hitchens is playing the game, so beloved of the Left in the Cameron days, of using someone's lesser used forename as a form of derision.
From Gideon Osborne to Alexander Johnson.
I didn't like it then, and I don't like it now.
I think Hitchens considers ‘Boris’ a kind of fictional character/trademark created by our PM
No doubt he called Gordon Brown 'James' as well. People who react so strongly to Boris being called Boris have never made sense to me, whatever their reasoning.
I don't think you should call the prime minister by just his first name. Very few people called Theresa May by just her first name.
Why not? And why would it not being the case for one, even most, mean it should not happen for another?
When he is being interviewed (a rare event, admittedly) or referred to in official reporting it is usually as Boris Johnson, not just Boris, or as the Prime Minister. What does it matter if in general conversation he is referred to as just Boris? Now, I've seen senior officials refer in official meetings to not having heard from 'Boris', by which they mean no indication yet from central government, and that I'd think is a step too informal, but that's a far cry from 'I don't think you should call the prime minister by just his first name'.
He's an arse called Boris. Or a great leader called Boris. Or somewhere inbetween, each to their own.
All non-essential shops are closing, excluded are food shops, pharmacies, corner shops, hardware stores, petrol stations, pet shops, post offices, banks, newsagents and shops inside hospitals.
Garden centre exclusion would be helpful.
I haven't bought all my seeds and plants yet - wanted to grow to eat them.
Can't you get them delivered? Why would you need to go out to get them?
That is literally the first time I have agreed with anything that knob has said. They can break up gatherings, they can close shops, but the two walks a day thing needs Chinese style facial recognition technology.
Peter Hitchens is playing the game, so beloved of the Left in the Cameron days, of using someone's lesser used forename as a form of derision.
From Gideon Osborne to Alexander Johnson.
I didn't like it then, and I don't like it now.
I think Hitchens considers ‘Boris’ a kind of fictional character/trademark created by our PM
Hitchens opposes everything and everyone.
Nutter like his brother.
I don’t mind him using his middle name. I do object to the media using it in lieu of Johnson. We didn’t hear them talking about Margaret, John, Tony, Gordon, Dave or Theresa in the same way.
Er... Surely it was: Maggie this, Maggie that...?
Hitchens calls Blair ‘Anthony’ not Tony for the same reason he calls Boris ‘Al’
Will the police stop people going out for a leisurely drive?
Most likely
Most likely not.
We are being good Brits searching for the letter to see precisely what it says.
Stand back and remember that the object is to stop people meeting and mixing in groups. Long walks, solitary drives, even going out twice, aren’t causing a problem. Hence no-one is going to bother about them.
Will the police stop people going out for a leisurely drive?
Most likely
I don't think it's likely unless it's highway police, they're bored and on a layby and fancy a distraction.
Most will use some discretion and have far better things to do.
Of course that makes sense but the idea our police cannot do this is questionable
As this bites there will be millions less out on the roads and shopping areas making enforcement easier. But of course without the more extremes suggestions of one of our posters
All the people asking stupid questions, did people in the war when asked to make sure they operated a blackout and got in the bomb shelters start moaning not enough direction if I should go if it is on a night when I get my ingrowing toenails done.
Of course the state can't enforce every single part of it. The idea is that the vast majority don't try and go for 10 runs a day for LOLs and they enforce it against the worst offenders who are out and about for no good reason and use your f##king brain, do everything possible to minimize your contact with everybody outside your family unit.
If Boris had tried to list every single job and task on a nasty or nice list he would still be there when everybody is dead from the damn virus.
All those who cheered Merkel and Macron for announcing exactly the same things as this are now on the media going well we can't do this, because...
You think in Germany they can enforce no more than your family and one other to be together. From a distance, how do you know its 2 brothers and a friend, not 3 friends. They can't. That's not the point.
All non-essential shops are closing, excluded are food shops, pharmacies, corner shops, hardware stores, petrol stations, pet shops, post offices, banks, newsagents and shops inside hospitals.
Garden centre exclusion would be helpful.
I haven't bought all my seeds and plants yet - wanted to grow to eat them.
Can't you get them delivered? Why would you need to go out to get them?
Good point. Could do that.
I need soil (compost) too.
Hmm.
If hardware stores are still open, some B&Qs have garden centres in them...
There's a wicks I can walk to with 10 mins of my house.
That is literally the first time I have agreed with anything that knob has said. They can break up gatherings, they can close shops, but the two walks a day thing needs Chinese style facial recognition technology.
I suspect the powers won't be used to tell people off for jogging alone, but instead for breaking up gatherings. If you are sensible and are walking alone, I don't see there being much of a problem. The advice for one walk a day is just to get people to go outside as infrequently as possible. If 90% of people follow this advice, then no large-scale enforcement will actually be needed.
All those who cheered Merkel and Macron for announcing exactly the same things as this are now on the media going well we can't do this, because...
You think in Germany they can enforce no more than your family and one other to be together. From a distance, how do you know its 2 brothers and a friend, not 3 friends. They can't. That's not the point.
All non-essential shops are closing, excluded are food shops, pharmacies, corner shops, hardware stores, petrol stations, pet shops, post offices, banks, newsagents and shops inside hospitals.
Garden centre exclusion would be helpful.
I haven't bought all my seeds and plants yet - wanted to grow to eat them.
You've got to be joking lol. Everyone will be at the Garden Centre if it's allowed to be open - particularly oldies.
'Hardware shops' are allowed to be open, most B & Q/Homebase have a garden bit, they'll be mobbed if the garden centres are closed.
This is best understood as a nudge - stop having dinner parties, stop family gatherings, stop going round to each others houses, etc etc. It was quite obvious over the weekend that people were carrying on doing all of those things, even if going to the gym and the pub wasn't possible.
@kle4 I think Boris prevaricated because at the start because he essentially doesn't believe in the state.....
It would be the same if we had Corbyn in charge if we were attacked by the Russians....
Ultimately they would both do the right thing.....but their political ideology slows them down....
NHS frontline staff are woefully unprotected...this is today....this is due to the Govt not taking the threat seriously enough at the outset (ideological) and not having the organisational ability how to do it (competence)
So does everyone in the NHS need Boris Johnson to tell them to order more PPE ?
Nobody capable of doing so on their own initiative ?
I cannot begin to tell you how woefully unprepared the NHS is in London are today....we had probably 2 months.....at least 2 protective clothing for staff....
ICU beds are another matter and technical equipment....but at least protective equipment....
Other stuff would have been easy too..accommodation nearby for those who can take it....the staff are using public transport...they are not even getting access to use the car parks for free
A few months back I needed some safety shoes for work, I sorted it out myself.
If hospitals are short of PPE they should have ordered more - that could have been prompted from the hospital management, the H&S dept, the purchasing dept, or any front line staff.
This "Boris hasn't provided enough PPE" is bollox.
People have to shown initiative in this world if they want to sort out problems.
Will the police stop people going out for a leisurely drive?
Most likely
Most likely not.
We are being good Brits searching for the letter to see precisely what it says.
Stand back and remember that the object is to stop people meeting and mixing in groups. Long walks, solitary drives, even going out twice, aren’t causing a problem. Hence no-one is going to bother about them.
All non-essential shops are closing, excluded are food shops, pharmacies, corner shops, hardware stores, petrol stations, pet shops, post offices, banks, newsagents and shops inside hospitals.
Garden centre exclusion would be helpful.
I haven't bought all my seeds and plants yet - wanted to grow to eat them.
Can't you get them delivered? Why would you need to go out to get them?
Good point. Could do that.
I need soil (compost) too.
Hmm.
If hardware stores are still open, some B&Qs have garden centres in them...
There's a wicks I can walk to with 10 mins of my house.
Assuming they're still open tomorrow...
I have tried to order seeds etc online today. Been tricky. One order went through, another crashed.
If you have a girlfriend you don’t live with, you can’t see each other? Single people are fucked!
STDs will be through the floor
I wonder what the scoop is for separated couples that split custody of their kids. Changeovers in the park?
Sunday was my son's "turn" with his son. His plan was to go out with him while my son's wife went out separately with their daughter. But the town was so full of fecking eejits who thought it was a nice day to visit the seaside, that they decided to stay in. My grandson has gone back to his mum now, and my son doesn't know when he will see him again.
For those that are slow, think of this as the same way some nightclubs operate very strict dress code policies. They don't enforce it with everybody, but when some drunk troublemaker walks up, they whip out the old rules and regs and say jog on.
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
No it will only work by compliance, the one situation that I can see police getting involved in is gatherings in public places, the rest remains up to the individual. I run the risk of being stopped each time I’m out and need ID and a valid reason to be out, easy up till eight but more difficult afterwards. I’m not sure how you think the UK police can enforce this?
The police have the power of arrest and the power to fine.
Ultimately as a last resort the police have the water cannon, the rubber bullets and ultimately the guns, as do the military
Didn't Theresa May sell Johnson's water cannons from underneath him?
Also, uh, guns?
As a last resort if some resort to mob rule the PM can allow the police to use all their resources, including rubber bullets and tear gas etc, to enforce the rule of law
All the people asking stupid questions, did people in the war when asked to make sure they operated a blackout and got in the bomb shelters start moaning not enough direction if I should go if it is on a night when I get my ingrowing toenails done.
Of course the state can't enforce every single part of it. The idea is that the vast majority don't try and go for 10 runs a day for LOLs and they enforce it against the worst offenders who are out and about for no good reason and use your f##king brain, do everything possible to minimize your contact with everybody outside your family unit.
If Boris had tried to list every single job and task on a nasty or nice list he would still be there when everybody is dead from the damn virus.
@Big_G_NorthWales I don't think there is any comparison between a doctor who has no choice other than to work on a respiratory ward without protective equipment...and gets exposed over and over again to this virus,......and your family member who can self isolate...
If the blood test for your wife is not necessary...tell her to stay away....hospitals are not safe
It is necessary though
But you do seem to want to paint me as someone who does not care for our doctors and nurses
Nothing can be further from the truth and is not worthy of you
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Heartbreaking, but the sad reality, I want all health professionals to be safe but as I keep saying this is unprecedented
And population density means there is a critical mass of imbeciles in London.
Business as normal for many lol.
Just got mine trimmed as a precaution.
Told you that letterbox stuff was a sign of his latent Islamophobia.
Allowing for shift patterns, rest patterns, and increased sickness levels I’m going to say 1/6th will be available at any time (and that would be running really hot).
That’s around 33,000 on the street. I think a police officer in every village and on every street corner is rather a stretch.
We police by consent in this country.
Is this really all you have to obsess over?
Whatever happened to common sense
Trump, on the other hand might see a extension of his powers as an opportunity.
For someone who dodged the draft, I am also expecting Trump, ironically, to start dressing like Idi Amin from his the Dictator years.
But very possibly !!!!
Just want my seeds and soil.
I need soil (compost) too.
Hmm.
And after a ride, you might take some exercise...
ICU beds are another matter and technical equipment....but at least protective equipment....
Other stuff would have been easy too..accommodation nearby for those who can take it....the staff are using public transport...they are not even getting access to use the car parks for free
Most will use some discretion and have far better things to do.
For the rest of us, less so.
Sigh :-)
https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1242201452942155778
Ah, my dressing gown.
Good night.
I don't think there is any comparison between a doctor who has no choice other than to work on a respiratory ward without protective equipment...and gets exposed over and over again to this virus,......and your family member who can self isolate...
If the blood test for your wife is not necessary...tell her to stay away....hospitals are not safe
Of course the state can't enforce every single part of it. The idea is that the vast majority don't try and go for 10 runs a day for LOLs and they enforce it against the worst offenders who are out and about for no good reason and use your f##king brain, do everything possible to minimize your contact with everybody outside your family unit.
If Boris had tried to list every single job and task on a nasty or nice list he would still be there when everybody is dead from the damn virus.
When he is being interviewed (a rare event, admittedly) or referred to in official reporting it is usually as Boris Johnson, not just Boris, or as the Prime Minister. What does it matter if in general conversation he is referred to as just Boris? Now, I've seen senior officials refer in official meetings to not having heard from 'Boris', by which they mean no indication yet from central government, and that I'd think is a step too informal, but that's a far cry from 'I don't think you should call the prime minister by just his first name'.
He's an arse called Boris. Or a great leader called Boris. Or somewhere inbetween, each to their own.
We are being good Brits searching for the letter to see precisely what it says.
Stand back and remember that the object is to stop people meeting and mixing in groups. Long walks, solitary drives, even going out twice, aren’t causing a problem. Hence no-one is going to bother about them.
As this bites there will be millions less out on the roads and shopping areas making enforcement easier. But of course without the more extremes suggestions of one of our posters
do they need help tying their own laces?
You think in Germany they can enforce no more than your family and one other to be together. From a distance, how do you know its 2 brothers and a friend, not 3 friends. They can't. That's not the point.
Assuming they're still open tomorrow...
https://youtu.be/M_ySmaG1xYo
It was quite obvious over the weekend that people were carrying on doing all of those things, even if going to the gym and the pub wasn't possible.
If hospitals are short of PPE they should have ordered more - that could have been prompted from the hospital management, the H&S dept, the purchasing dept, or any front line staff.
This "Boris hasn't provided enough PPE" is bollox.
People have to shown initiative in this world if they want to sort out problems.
apart from some people on here......
But you do seem to want to paint me as someone who does not care for our doctors and nurses
Nothing can be further from the truth and is not worthy of you