So no change then. Just a more serious tone. I am relieved.
The police just got sweeping powers to disperse groups of a few people or more. I think there's been a slight change.
What police.
Have they all disappeared or something?
Yes. 25k+ gone. An utter lack of police to carry out basic function already, never mind enforcing stay at home orders
Utter lack of police to carry out basic functions? OK.
Yup. Big increase in petty crime vandalism and ASB. Repeated public meetings demanding action with the local Inspector and PCC being very honest about how many officers they don't have.
Sorry if you are in denial about just how fucked the police service has become over the last 10 years. We'll need the Army- what's left of it - to enforce this.
If you are not out without legitimate reason you can be arrested, obviously that includes vandalism and ASB
Sure. But as we don't have sufficient police as it is to suppress vandalism and ASB I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Apart from providing your usual comedy relief for us all
The middle professor on C4 News was excellent. A message of hope looking at other countries’ lockdown. Didn’t catch his name. We need to see more of him.
Peter Hitchens is playing the game, so beloved of the Left in the Cameron days, of using someone's lesser used forename as a form of derision.
From Gideon Osborne to Alexander Johnson.
I didn't like it then, and I don't like it now.
I think Hitchens considers ‘Boris’ a kind of fictional character/trademark created by our PM
If someone says, "my name is moonunit", I do them the courtesy of calling them "moonunit" no matter how stupid I might think that is.
It's incredibly impolite to call people by a name that they do not use.
Tend to agree. Although I did get banned from this very site for calling someone by the name they signed an email to me with. I am just trying to explain why I think Peter Hitchens calls him ‘Al’
Good stuff from Johnson. There can be no doubts now.
It was good. He's convincing on a script like all good actors. He's just shite at improv.
My daughter who is not the least political was very impressed with Boris saying his is the leader the country needs
I expect that will be shared by many
PS.
My youngest son has text saying it is very tough but very impressed with Boris's tone
I've just had my sister on the phone in utter panic about her two son's on the front line in NHS hospitals with very little protective clothing....
the lack of preparation these last weeks, and Boris's recent prevarication are an utter disgrace.....and have placed our NHS staff at risk
I don't think you'd be quite so sycophantic to Boris if your family were on the front line with the square root of fuck all to protect them....
Why do you think Boris is not listening to advice about what to do? Clearly you think he is dragging his feet for some reason, but what?
We had six weeks to at least getting protective gear to the NHS front line.....
The problem with having career politicians like Boris in charge is that they have never done anything....so when something needs to be done, they are useless...
Neither of those sentences is an answer to the questions presented.
Are you fucking with me? I'm saying this Govt was not competent enough to add 2 plus 2 in January to ensure that our NHS staff would be protected from people coughing on them in late March (in large numbers) with a deadly virus that there is no treatment for.,...
No I'm not. Your answer was a point about government competence, but the question was about why you think Boris was not listening to advice, which your initial point seem to suggest you think is the case because if you blame when measures are implemented on him (it is, certainly, his decision) then whether he is being advised to take that step or he is going against advice to take steps is highly relevant to how competent his choices are. Taking reasonable advice even if wrong is a different issue than going against advice and being wrong
The competence or not of the government is a matter of legitimate concern and should certainly be permitted to be questioned, but it was separate to the point you seemed to be making which was that Boris personally was prevaricating. But if the advice was to phase matters in then even if it was wrong it puts him personally in a different light.
If you wish to assess the response rather than get pouty and swear I'd think such a distinction is rather important.
So no change then. Just a more serious tone. I am relieved.
The police just got sweeping powers to disperse groups of a few people or more. I think there's been a slight change.
What police.
Have they all disappeared or something?
Yes. 25k+ gone. An utter lack of police to carry out basic function already, never mind enforcing stay at home orders
Utter lack of police to carry out basic functions? OK.
Yup. Big increase in petty crime vandalism and ASB. Repeated public meetings demanding action with the local Inspector and PCC being very honest about how many officers they don't have.
Sorry if you are in denial about just how fucked the police service has become over the last 10 years. We'll need the Army- what's left of it - to enforce this.
If you are not out without legitimate reason you can be arrested, obviously that includes vandalism and ASB
Sure. But as we don't have sufficient police as it is to suppress vandalism and ASB I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Apart from providing your usual comedy relief for us all
oooh its all too difficult lets not even try .........
Quick question: are we still allowing flights to arrive in the UK from virtually every country in the world, with hardly any checks on the passengers?
Its a strange thing to worry about at present. It is already widespread in the UK. There are probably only a handful of countries where it significantly more widespread (Iran, USA, Italy, Spain?), most of other countries either have similar situations to us or fewer cases. And the vast majority of international flights have been cancelled by the airlines anyway.
In summary, flights at the moment dont have any significant impact on the proportion of the UK with CV19 or our ability to control the spread.
It's a strange situation when we're more concerned about people moving their caravan to north Norfolk or the Highlands than we are on a plane arriving from a country where the virus is rampant.
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
No it will only work by compliance, the one situation that I can see police getting involved in is gatherings in public places, the rest remains up to the individual. I run the risk of being stopped each time I’m out and need ID and a valid reason to be out, easy up till eight but more difficult afterwards. I’m not sure how you think the UK police can enforce this?
The police have the power of arrest and the power to fine.
Ultimately as a last resort the police have the water cannon, the rubber bullets and ultimately the guns, as do the military
Didn't Theresa May sell Johnson's water cannons from underneath him?
Also, uh, guns?
As a last resort if some resort to mob rule the PM can allow the police to use all their resources, including rubber bullets and tear gas etc, to enforce the rule of law
Yes, but you said guns, because you live in a Judge Dredd comic.
These new rules seem an overreaction to me, but I choose to believe that the Government and its scientific advisors have a plan to get the country through this with economy intact and deaths to a minimum, so there we go.
All non-essential shops are closing, excluded are food shops, pharmacies, corner shops, hardware stores, petrol stations, pet shops, post offices, banks, newsagents and shops inside hospitals.
Pets' shops ? Surely this must relate to vets - which aren't shops anyway ; unless it means pet supplies shops.
All non-essential shops are closing, excluded are food shops, pharmacies, corner shops, hardware stores, petrol stations, pet shops, post offices, banks, newsagents and shops inside hospitals.
So takeaways shut too then now, as are clothes shops and hairdressers and estate agents etc
Good stuff from Johnson. There can be no doubts now.
It was good. He's convincing on a script like all good actors. He's just shite at improv.
My daughter who is not the least political was very impressed with Boris saying his is the leader the country needs
I expect that will be shared by many
PS.
My youngest son has text saying it is very tough but very impressed with Boris's tone
I've just had my sister on the phone in utter panic about her two son's on the front line in NHS hospitals with very little protective clothing....
the lack of preparation these last weeks, and Boris's recent prevarication are an utter disgrace.....and have placed our NHS staff at risk
I don't think you'd be quite so sycophantic to Boris if your family were on the front line with the square root of fuck all to protect them....
The protective clothing issue has been addresed by Hancock today and HMG are doing everything possible to address shortages, but this issue is faced by all governments across the world
I am in the highest risk factor and will comply with HMG requirements
And my family are not political and if they commend Boris it upsets you somehow.
Furthermore when you attack Boris you attack the three first ministers and Khan who all attend Cobra and are party to these events.
Each has announced exactly the same policies across the devolved administrations tonight including here in Wales the closure of caravan sites, national parks and the cancellation of the Royal Welsh Show on the 20th July
What upsets me is members of my family working in the NHS frontline without adequate protection....
"The protective clothing has been addressed by Hancock today"...honestly are you serious....?? Doctors and nurses today are exposed to this diseases over and over again without being protected? I ask you again how would you feel if that was your family?
Good stuff from Johnson. There can be no doubts now.
It was good. He's convincing on a script like all good actors. He's just shite at improv.
My daughter who is not the least political was very impressed with Boris saying his is the leader the country needs
I expect that will be shared by many
PS.
My youngest son has text saying it is very tough but very impressed with Boris's tone
I've just had my sister on the phone in utter panic about her two son's on the front line in NHS hospitals with very little protective clothing....
the lack of preparation these last weeks, and Boris's recent prevarication are an utter disgrace.....and have placed our NHS staff at risk
I don't think you'd be quite so sycophantic to Boris if your family were on the front line with the square root of fuck all to protect them....
The protective clothing issue has been addresed by Hancock today and HMG are doing everything possible to address shortages, but this issue is faced by all governments across the world
I am in the highest risk factor and will comply with HMG requirements
And my family are not political and if they commend Boris it upsets you somehow.
Furthermore when you attack Boris you attack the three first ministers and Khan who all attend Cobra and are party to these events.
Each has announced exactly the same policies across the devolved administrations tonight including here in Wales the closure of caravan sites, national parks and the cancellation of the Royal Welsh Show on the 20th July
I think you're wasting your time on Tyson. He's seen better days.
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
No it will only work by compliance, the one situation that I can see police getting involved in is gatherings in public places, the rest remains up to the individual. I run the risk of being stopped each time I’m out and need ID and a valid reason to be out, easy up till eight but more difficult afterwards. I’m not sure how you think the UK police can enforce this?
The police have the water cannon, the rubber bullets and ultimately the guns, as do the military
We are all Catalonians now, apparently...
You can always count on HYUFD to bring in the use of guns and the military somewhere in our own country.
Gatwick still has scheduled departures tomorrow. How does that work?
People going home, Brits returning to the UK?
Emirates/Etihad entire fleets are grounded, Singapore has grounded 96% of its fleet.
As countries respond to the COVID-19 pandemic, including travel and border restrictions, the FCO advises British nationals against all but essential international travel. Any country or area may restrict travel without notice. If you live in the UK and are currently travelling abroad, you are strongly advised to return now, where and while there are still commercial routes available. Many airlines are suspending flights and many airports are closing, preventing flights from leaving.
I mean, honestly, who goes on more than one walk in a day? Dog walkers maybe? But really, it’s the groups of people hanging around together that needs stopping.
Also how long a walk would be considered reasonable. Is it ok to embark on a 10 mile walk in the countryside?
oh ffs - really? this is what you think is important
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
No it will only work by compliance, the one situation that I can see police getting involved in is gatherings in public places, the rest remains up to the individual. I run the risk of being stopped each time I’m out and need ID and a valid reason to be out, easy up till eight but more difficult afterwards. I’m not sure how you think the UK police can enforce this?
The police have the power of arrest and the power to fine.
Ultimately as a last resort the police have the water cannon, the rubber bullets and ultimately the guns, as do the military
You love this shit don’t you
Actually we sold the water cannon to another country iirc.
The middle professor on C4 News was excellent. A message of hope looking at other countries’ lockdown. Didn’t catch his name. We need to see more of him.
Costello, I think. A professor of public health. Yes, he made the important point that we have to give the public something to look towards and hope for.
The difficulty is doing that without encouraging complacency
Flights right now don't tally with the "essential" work rule, what are they to do - bring in more potential sources of infection ??
I mean once someone arrives here they need to get to a hotel, hire a car etc etc.
There are still some unfortunate/stupid (delete as appropriate) people who need to come back home, or go to their home countries. There probably won't be much chance after the next day or so.
Gatwick still has scheduled departures tomorrow. How does that work?
People going home, Brits returning to the UK?
Emirates/Etihad entire fleets are grounded, Singapore has grounded 96% of its fleet.
As countries respond to the COVID-19 pandemic, including travel and border restrictions, the FCO advises British nationals against all but essential international travel. Any country or area may restrict travel without notice. If you live in the UK and are currently travelling abroad, you are strongly advised to return now, where and while there are still commercial routes available. Many airlines are suspending flights and many airports are closing, preventing flights from leaving.
All non-essential shops are closing, excluded are food shops, pharmacies, corner shops, hardware stores, petrol stations, pet shops, post offices, banks, newsagents and shops inside hospitals.
Pet shops ? Surely this must relate to vets - which aren't shops anyway.
Surely Pets at Home etc sell pet food and welfare essentials that you can't get from supermarkets. My local supermarket doesn't sell pet food besides for cats and dogs should pets just be left to starve to death?
All non-essential shops are closing, excluded are food shops, pharmacies, corner shops, hardware stores, petrol stations, pet shops, post offices, banks, newsagents and shops inside hospitals.
So no change then. Just a more serious tone. I am relieved.
The police just got sweeping powers to disperse groups of a few people or more. I think there's been a slight change.
What police.
Have they all disappeared or something?
Yes. 25k+ gone. An utter lack of police to carry out basic function already, never mind enforcing stay at home orders
Utter lack of police to carry out basic functions? OK.
Yup. Big increase in petty crime vandalism and ASB. Repeated public meetings demanding action with the local Inspector and PCC being very honest about how many officers they don't have.
Sorry if you are in denial about just how fucked the police service has become over the last 10 years. We'll need the Army- what's left of it - to enforce this.
If you are not out without legitimate reason you can be arrested, obviously that includes vandalism and ASB
Sure. But as we don't have sufficient police as it is to suppress vandalism and ASB I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Apart from providing your usual comedy relief for us all
We have 120,000 police at the moment, more including Police and Community Support Officers. If necessary the army and TA can be called out and patrol too. Every town, village and city and suburb in this country will soon have a police officer on street corners demanding to know why you are out and for how long and in a few weeks maybe your papers too. Criminals can do crime outside most easily when they can blend into the crowd, not when they are restricted from travel at all
Gatwick still has scheduled departures tomorrow. How does that work?
People going home, Brits returning to the UK?
Emirates/Etihad entire fleets are grounded, Singapore has grounded 96% of its fleet.
As countries respond to the COVID-19 pandemic, including travel and border restrictions, the FCO advises British nationals against all but essential international travel. Any country or area may restrict travel without notice. If you live in the UK and are currently travelling abroad, you are strongly advised to return now, where and while there are still commercial routes available. Many airlines are suspending flights and many airports are closing, preventing flights from leaving.
All non-essential shops are closing, excluded are food shops, pharmacies, corner shops, hardware stores, petrol stations, pet shops, post offices, banks, newsagents and shops inside hospitals.
Pet shops ? Surely this must relate to vets - which aren't shops anyway, unless it means pet supplies shops.
Suppliers of specialist pet food we don’t wany people’s dragon lizards dying do we or those that require live food?
I mean, honestly, who goes on more than one walk in a day? Dog walkers maybe? But really, it’s the groups of people hanging around together that needs stopping.
Also how long a walk would be considered reasonable. Is it ok to embark on a 10 mile walk in the countryside?
oh ffs - really? this is what you think is important
In fairness, it is a good question and an obvious loophole. Say I take my bike out. If I cycle to the end of Pye Green Road, is that the limit? Or onto Cannock Chase? Or right the way to Rugeley, or Penkridge, or Lichfield? None of those are more than about 40 minutes sharp pedalling away. Is that too far? Or too long? And if it is, how would hey know given bikes don’t have registration plates?
Gatwick still has scheduled departures tomorrow. How does that work?
People going home, Brits returning to the UK?
Emirates/Etihad entire fleets are grounded, Singapore has grounded 96% of its fleet.
As countries respond to the COVID-19 pandemic, including travel and border restrictions, the FCO advises British nationals against all but essential international travel. Any country or area may restrict travel without notice. If you live in the UK and are currently travelling abroad, you are strongly advised to return now, where and while there are still commercial routes available. Many airlines are suspending flights and many airports are closing, preventing flights from leaving.
The rest of Britain was forced into massive lockdown because Londoners just carried on as normal.
A question for the history books?
Don't be silly.
A lot of truth in it IMO. The tube and the flower market were the last straws. People were far closer together in those places than on the beach or the park.
Good stuff from Johnson. There can be no doubts now.
It was good. He's convincing on a script like all good actors. He's just shite at improv.
My daughter who is not the least political was very impressed with Boris saying his is the leader the country needs
I expect that will be shared by many
PS.
My youngest son has text saying it is very tough but very impressed with Boris's tone
I've just had my sister on the phone in utter panic about her two son's on the front line in NHS hospitals with very little protective clothing....
the lack of preparation these last weeks, and Boris's recent prevarication are an utter disgrace.....and have placed our NHS staff at risk
I don't think you'd be quite so sycophantic to Boris if your family were on the front line with the square root of fuck all to protect them....
Why do you think Boris is not listening to advice about what to do? Clearly you think he is dragging his feet for some reason, but what?
We had six weeks to at least getting protective gear to the NHS front line.....
The problem with having career politicians like Boris in charge is that they have never done anything....so when something needs to be done, they are useless...
Neither of those sentences is an answer to the questions presented.
Are you fucking with me? I'm saying this Govt was not competent enough to add 2 plus 2 in January to ensure that our NHS staff would be protected from people coughing on them in late March (in large numbers) with a deadly virus that there is no treatment for.,...
No I'm not. Your answer was a point about government competence, but the question was about why you think Boris was not listening to advice, which your initial point seem to suggest you think is the case because if you blame when measures are implemented on him (it is, certainly, his decision) then whether he is being advised to take that step or he is going against advice to take steps is highly relevant to how competent his choices are. Taking reasonable advice even if wrong is a different issue than going against advice and being wrong
The competence or not of the government is a matter of legitimate concern and should certainly be permitted to be questioned, but it was separate to the point you seemed to be making which was that Boris personally was prevaricating. But if the advice was to phase matters in then even if it was wrong it puts him personally in a different light.
If you wish to assess the response rather than get pouty and swear I'd think such a distinction is rather important.
I do apologise for the last sentence btw, that was unkind and uncalled for. However, my point was that there's a range of badness to assess, and if something is bad or horrible or disastrous makes a difference, so while the actual competence of any outcome is of course vital in our thoughts, reasonableness of decisions taken, and based on what information available at the time, will be relevant in deciding where the judgement falls.
The middle professor on C4 News was excellent. A message of hope looking at other countries’ lockdown. Didn’t catch his name. We need to see more of him.
Gatwick still has scheduled departures tomorrow. How does that work?
People going home, Brits returning to the UK?
Emirates/Etihad entire fleets are grounded, Singapore has grounded 96% of its fleet.
As countries respond to the COVID-19 pandemic, including travel and border restrictions, the FCO advises British nationals against all but essential international travel. Any country or area may restrict travel without notice. If you live in the UK and are currently travelling abroad, you are strongly advised to return now, where and while there are still commercial routes available. Many airlines are suspending flights and many airports are closing, preventing flights from leaving.
So no change then. Just a more serious tone. I am relieved.
The police just got sweeping powers to disperse groups of a few people or more. I think there's been a slight change.
What police.
Have they all disappeared or something?
Yes. 25k+ gone. An utter lack of police to carry out basic function already, never mind enforcing stay at home orders
Utter lack of police to carry out basic functions? OK.
Yup. Big increase in petty crime vandalism and ASB. Repeated public meetings demanding action with the local Inspector and PCC being very honest about how many officers they don't have.
Sorry if you are in denial about just how fucked the police service has become over the last 10 years. We'll need the Army- what's left of it - to enforce this.
If you are not out without legitimate reason you can be arrested, obviously that includes vandalism and ASB
Sure. But as we don't have sufficient police as it is to suppress vandalism and ASB I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Apart from providing your usual comedy relief for us all
We have 120,000 police at the moment, more including Police and Community Support Officers. If necessary the army and TA can be called out and patrol too. Every town, village and city and suburb in this country will soon have a police officer on street corners demanding to know why you are out and for how long and in a few weeks maybe your papers too. Criminals can do crime outside most easily when they can blend into the crowd, not when they are restricted from travel at all
So no change then. Just a more serious tone. I am relieved.
The police just got sweeping powers to disperse groups of a few people or more. I think there's been a slight change.
What police.
Have they all disappeared or something?
Yes. 25k+ gone. An utter lack of police to carry out basic function already, never mind enforcing stay at home orders
Utter lack of police to carry out basic functions? OK.
Yup. Big increase in petty crime vandalism and ASB. Repeated public meetings demanding action with the local Inspector and PCC being very honest about how many officers they don't have.
Sorry if you are in denial about just how fucked the police service has become over the last 10 years. We'll need the Army- what's left of it - to enforce this.
I would have expected complete anarchy if they couldn't carry out basic functions.
They draft in other officers from elsewhere to enforce curfew orders for the errant scores. Which leaves the errant scores in these other areas free to run riot until officers drafted in etc etc. When people have stopped calling the police as the police don't come unless someone is getting murdered is when we knew it was a problem - the utter lack of faith in the police to do anything will not help this situation.
If only Theresa May hadn't laid off all those tens of thousands of officers that her party claimed we couldn't afford...
Johnson did very well, as any leader should when making such a speech (though Trump couldn’t). We now move into a genuine moment of history that will be written about for centuries to come. Good luck and best wishes to each and everyone of you.
@kle4 I think Boris prevaricated because at the start because he essentially doesn't believe in the state.....
It would be the same if we had Corbyn in charge if we were attacked by the Russians....
Ultimately they would both do the right thing.....but their political ideology slows them down....
NHS frontline staff are woefully unprotected...this is today....this is due to the Govt not taking the threat seriously enough at the outset (ideological) and not having the organisational ability how to do it (competence)
@kle4 I think Boris prevaricated because at the start because he essentially doesn't believe in the state.....
It would be the same if we had Corbyn in charge if we were attacked by the Russians....
Ultimately they would both do the right thing.....but their political ideology slows them down....
NHS frontline staff are woefully unprotected...this is today....this is due to the Govt not taking the threat seriously enough at the outset (ideological) and not having the organisational ability how to do it (competence)
All non-essential shops are closing, excluded are food shops, pharmacies, corner shops, hardware stores, petrol stations, pet shops, post offices, banks, newsagents and shops inside hospitals.
Pet shops ? Surely this must relate to vets - which aren't shops anyway.
Surely Pets at Home etc sell pet food and welfare essentials that you can't get from supermarkets. My local supermarket doesn't sell pet food besides for cats and dogs should pets just be left to starve to death?
Supermarket dog food is full of cereals and is mostly crap. Pets at Home sell a range from crap to decent.
Good stuff from Johnson. There can be no doubts now.
It was good. He's convincing on a script like all good actors. He's just shite at improv.
My daughter who is not the least political was very impressed with Boris saying his is the leader the country needs
I expect that will be shared by many
PS.
My youngest son has text saying it is very tough but very impressed with Boris's tone
I've just had my sister on the phone in utter panic about her two son's on the front line in NHS hospitals with very little protective clothing....
the lack of preparation these last weeks, and Boris's recent prevarication are an utter disgrace.....and have placed our NHS staff at risk
I don't think you'd be quite so sycophantic to Boris if your family were on the front line with the square root of fuck all to protect them....
The protective clothing issue has been addresed by Hancock today and HMG are doing everything possible to address shortages, but this issue is faced by all governments across the world
I am in the highest risk factor and will comply with HMG requirements
And my family are not political and if they commend Boris it upsets you somehow.
Furthermore when you attack Boris you attack the three first ministers and Khan who all attend Cobra and are party to these events.
Each has announced exactly the same policies across the devolved administrations tonight including here in Wales the closure of caravan sites, national parks and the cancellation of the Royal Welsh Show on the 20th July
What upsets me is members of my family working in the NHS frontline without adequate protection....
"The protective clothing has been addressed by Hancock today"...honestly are you serious....?? Doctors and nurses today are exposed to this diseases over and over again without being protected? I ask you again how would you feel if that was your family?
Tyson.
I am worried for my family who can pick up this virus just as anyone can
I admire and have nothing but praise for the NHS staff, but Hancock assures us the protective gear is being supplied
My wife in the high risk category like myself, has to go for a blood test tomorrow and I am extremely worried she may come in contact with some fool acting irresponsibly
Of course I care and to suggest I do not is not worthy of you
Gatwick still has scheduled departures tomorrow. How does that work?
People going home, Brits returning to the UK?
Emirates/Etihad entire fleets are grounded, Singapore has grounded 96% of its fleet.
As countries respond to the COVID-19 pandemic, including travel and border restrictions, the FCO advises British nationals against all but essential international travel. Any country or area may restrict travel without notice. If you live in the UK and are currently travelling abroad, you are strongly advised to return now, where and while there are still commercial routes available. Many airlines are suspending flights and many airports are closing, preventing flights from leaving.
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
No it will only work by compliance, the one situation that I can see police getting involved in is gatherings in public places, the rest remains up to the individual. I run the risk of being stopped each time I’m out and need ID and a valid reason to be out, easy up till eight but more difficult afterwards. I’m not sure how you think the UK police can enforce this?
The police have the power of arrest and the power to fine.
Ultimately as a last resort the police have the water cannon, the rubber bullets and ultimately the guns, as do the military
Didn't Theresa May sell Johnson's water cannons from underneath him?
Also, uh, guns?
As a last resort if some resort to mob rule the PM can allow the police to use all their resources, including rubber bullets and tear gas etc, to enforce the rule of law
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
No it will only work by compliance, the one situation that I can see police getting involved in is gatherings in public places, the rest remains up to the individual. I run the risk of being stopped each time I’m out and need ID and a valid reason to be out, easy up till eight but more difficult afterwards. I’m not sure how you think the UK police can enforce this?
The police have the water cannon, the rubber bullets and ultimately the guns, as do the military
We are all Catalonians now, apparently...
You can always count on HYUFD to bring in the use of guns and the military somewhere in our own country.
Sorry but he has lost it recently
Do you think if HYUFD was in Cummings' position he would have advised Boris' to have worn a General's uniform for today's broadcast?
I think he would, and it would have added to the gravitas.
Gatwick still has scheduled departures tomorrow. How does that work?
People going home, Brits returning to the UK?
Emirates/Etihad entire fleets are grounded, Singapore has grounded 96% of its fleet.
As countries respond to the COVID-19 pandemic, including travel and border restrictions, the FCO advises British nationals against all but essential international travel. Any country or area may restrict travel without notice. If you live in the UK and are currently travelling abroad, you are strongly advised to return now, where and while there are still commercial routes available. Many airlines are suspending flights and many airports are closing, preventing flights from leaving.
I mean, honestly, who goes on more than one walk in a day? Dog walkers maybe? But really, it’s the groups of people hanging around together that needs stopping.
Also how long a walk would be considered reasonable. Is it ok to embark on a 10 mile walk in the countryside?
oh ffs - really? this is what you think is important
In fairness, it is a good question and an obvious loophole. Say I take my bike out. If I cycle to the end of Pye Green Road, is that the limit? Or onto Cannock Chase? Or right the way to Rugeley, or Penkridge, or Lichfield? None of those are more than about 40 minutes sharp pedalling away. Is that too far? Or too long? And if it is, how would hey know given bikes don’t have registration plates?
I will take my dog out 3 times a day - I will stay away from others and will not obsess about how long is ok.
I do not expect to be bothered by the police.
I will not waste time worrying about how long is acceptable either - I will not take the piss and I will act responsibly
Good stuff from Johnson. There can be no doubts now.
It was good. He's convincing on a script like all good actors. He's just shite at improv.
My daughter who is not the least political was very impressed with Boris saying his is the leader the country needs
I expect that will be shared by many
PS.
My youngest son has text saying it is very tough but very impressed with Boris's tone
I've just had my sister on the phone in utter panic about her two son's on the front line in NHS hospitals with very little protective clothing....
the lack of preparation these last weeks, and Boris's recent prevarication are an utter disgrace.....and have placed our NHS staff at risk
I don't think you'd be quite so sycophantic to Boris if your family were on the front line with the square root of fuck all to protect them....
The protective clothing issue has been addresed by Hancock today and HMG are doing everything possible to address shortages, but this issue is faced by all governments across the world
I am in the highest risk factor and will comply with HMG requirements
And my family are not political and if they commend Boris it upsets you somehow.
Furthermore when you attack Boris you attack the three first ministers and Khan who all attend Cobra and are party to these events.
Each has announced exactly the same policies across the devolved administrations tonight including here in Wales the closure of caravan sites, national parks and the cancellation of the Royal Welsh Show on the 20th July
I think you're wasting your time on Tyson. He's seen better days.
I cannot believe the sheers callousness of people on here to me raising issues about NHS staff being unprotected...
Doctors and nurses will die because the Govt has not planned in advance how to equip them properly for this pandemic.
Instead I have to come on here and see Big_G's nauseating sycophancy....
@kle4 I think Boris prevaricated because at the start because he essentially doesn't believe in the state.....
It would be the same if we had Corbyn in charge if we were attacked by the Russians....
Ultimately they would both do the right thing.....but their political ideology slows them down....
NHS frontline staff are woefully unprotected...this is today....this is due to the Govt not taking the threat seriously enough at the outset (ideological) and not having the organisational ability how to do it (competence)
So does everyone in the NHS need Boris Johnson to tell them to order more PPE ?
Nobody capable of doing so on their own initiative ?
Peter Hitchens is playing the game, so beloved of the Left in the Cameron days, of using someone's lesser used forename as a form of derision.
From Gideon Osborne to Alexander Johnson.
I didn't like it then, and I don't like it now.
I think Hitchens considers ‘Boris’ a kind of fictional character/trademark created by our PM
Hitchens opposes everything and everyone.
Nutter like his brother.
I don’t mind him using his middle name. I do object to the media using it in lieu of Johnson. We didn’t hear them talking about Margaret, John, Tony, Gordon, Dave or Theresa in the same way.
So no change then. Just a more serious tone. I am relieved.
The police just got sweeping powers to disperse groups of a few people or more. I think there's been a slight change.
What police.
Have they all disappeared or something?
Yes. 25k+ gone. An utter lack of police to carry out basic function already, never mind enforcing stay at home orders
Utter lack of police to carry out basic functions? OK.
Yup. Big increase in petty crime vandalism and ASB. Repeated public meetings demanding action with the local Inspector and PCC being very honest about how many officers they don't have.
Sorry if you are in denial about just how fucked the police service has become over the last 10 years. We'll need the Army- what's left of it - to enforce this.
If you are not out without legitimate reason you can be arrested, obviously that includes vandalism and ASB
Sure. But as we don't have sufficient police as it is to suppress vandalism and ASB I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Apart from providing your usual comedy relief for us all
We have 120,000 police at the moment, more including Police and Community Support Officers. If necessary the army and TA can be called out and patrol too. Every town, village and city and suburb in this country will soon have a police officer on street corners demanding to know why you are out and for how long and in a few weeks maybe your papers too. Criminals can do crime outside most easily when they can blend into the crowd, not when they are restricted from travel at all
You're having a laugh.
Sadly I think he genuinely believes what he types. He is the Tory Hitler in the bunker moving divisions of non-existent coppers around on a map.
Johnson did very well, as any leader should when making such a speech (though Trump couldn’t). We now move into a genuine moment of history that will be written about for centuries to come. Good luck and best wishes to each and everyone of you.
It was much more the Harold Wilson approach I alluded to earlier. More appropriate too.
God Ashworth is making this party political. We were right, government were wrong.
This is wrong time. Just agree and move on.
To be honest I have been very impressed with his tone and maturity in this. His concerns are measured and appropriate. For me he is by far the most able member of the Shadow Cabinet.
All non-essential shops are closing, excluded are food shops, pharmacies, corner shops, hardware stores, petrol stations, pet shops, post offices, banks, newsagents and shops inside hospitals.
Garden centre exclusion would be helpful.
I haven't bought all my seeds and plants yet - wanted to grow to eat them.
I mean, honestly, who goes on more than one walk in a day? Dog walkers maybe? But really, it’s the groups of people hanging around together that needs stopping.
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
No it will only work by compliance, the one situation that I can see police getting involved in is gatherings in public places, the rest remains up to the individual. I run the risk of being stopped each time I’m out and need ID and a valid reason to be out, easy up till eight but more difficult afterwards. I’m not sure how you think the UK police can enforce this?
The police have the water cannon, the rubber bullets and ultimately the guns, as do the military
We are all Catalonians now, apparently...
You can always count on HYUFD to bring in the use of guns and the military somewhere in our own country.
Sorry but he has lost it recently
Do you think if HYUFD was in Cummings' position he would have advised Boris' to have worn a General's uniform for today's broadcast?
I think he would, and it would have added to the gravitas.
Interesting to note Boris is now the closest we have had to a dictator since Cromwell, albeit an elected one and with extraordinary powers necessitated by a health emergency.
Priti Patel is also the most powerful Home Secretary since WW2 tonight given the sweeping extra powers of arrest the police have
I mean, honestly, who goes on more than one walk in a day? Dog walkers maybe? But really, it’s the groups of people hanging around together that needs stopping.
Also how long a walk would be considered reasonable. Is it ok to embark on a 10 mile walk in the countryside?
Any distance as long as you avoid others, but you have to carry your own food and drink as the pubs are shut.
The rest of Britain was forced into massive lockdown because Londoners just carried on as normal.
A question for the history books?
It wasn't just Londoners invading Cornwall and Wales. It wasn't Londoners climbing Monroes in their droves yesterday. There are stupid people all over the country.
So no change then. Just a more serious tone. I am relieved.
The police just got sweeping powers to disperse groups of a few people or more. I think there's been a slight change.
What police.
Have they all disappeared or something?
Yes. 25k+ gone. An utter lack of police to carry out basic function already, never mind enforcing stay at home orders
Utter lack of police to carry out basic functions? OK.
Yup. Big increase in petty crime vandalism and ASB. Repeated public meetings demanding action with the local Inspector and PCC being very honest about how many officers they don't have.
Sorry if you are in denial about just how fucked the police service has become over the last 10 years. We'll need the Army- what's left of it - to enforce this.
If you are not out without legitimate reason you can be arrested, obviously that includes vandalism and ASB
Sure. But as we don't have sufficient police as it is to suppress vandalism and ASB I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Apart from providing your usual comedy relief for us all
We have 120,000 police at the moment, more including Police and Community Support Officers. If necessary the army and TA can be called out and patrol too. Every town, village and city and suburb in this country will soon have a police officer on street corners demanding to know why you are out and for how long and in a few weeks maybe your papers too. Criminals can do crime outside most easily when they can blend into the crowd, not when they are restricted from travel at all
Christ. Have you donned the jackboots and Hugo Boss outfit?
Gatwick still has scheduled departures tomorrow. How does that work?
People going home, Brits returning to the UK?
Emirates/Etihad entire fleets are grounded, Singapore has grounded 96% of its fleet.
As countries respond to the COVID-19 pandemic, including travel and border restrictions, the FCO advises British nationals against all but essential international travel. Any country or area may restrict travel without notice. If you live in the UK and are currently travelling abroad, you are strongly advised to return now, where and while there are still commercial routes available. Many airlines are suspending flights and many airports are closing, preventing flights from leaving.
So if you’re a foreigner the curfew doesn’t apply?
It's not a curfew though is it?
curfew /ˈkəːfjuː/ noun a regulation requiring people to remain indoors between specified hours, typically at night
That's not happening. There's no hours. You need to stay home 24/7 except for when you have a good reason to leave the house - and leaving the country to go back to your own country is a good reason.
I mean, honestly, who goes on more than one walk in a day? Dog walkers maybe? But really, it’s the groups of people hanging around together that needs stopping.
Also how long a walk would be considered reasonable. Is it ok to embark on a 10 mile walk in the countryside?
oh ffs - really? this is what you think is important
In fairness, it is a good question and an obvious loophole. Say I take my bike out. If I cycle to the end of Pye Green Road, is that the limit? Or onto Cannock Chase? Or right the way to Rugeley, or Penkridge, or Lichfield? None of those are more than about 40 minutes sharp pedalling away. Is that too far? Or too long? And if it is, how would hey know given bikes don’t have registration plates?
I will take my dog out 3 times a day - I will stay away from others and will not obsess about how long is ok.
I do not expect to be bothered by the police.
I will not waste time worrying about how long is acceptable either - I will not take the piss and I will act responsibly
Get a fucking grip people
I am perfectly capable of doing an all day bike ride - say to Ashbourne.
Would that count as one piece of exercise?
That is the sort of loophole that will come up if fines start to be issued.
(It’s unusual for me to find myself on the same side as Justin, btw.)
At some point in the next few weeks, we are likely to go further and if someone in a household has those symptoms, we will be asking everyone in the household to stay at home. We are not introducing this yet for reasons Sir Patrick will explain, but I want to signal now that this is coming down the track.
20 days ago Boris was telling us he was shaking hands with everyone in a hospital treating Covid-19 patients.
All non-essential shops are closing, excluded are food shops, pharmacies, corner shops, hardware stores, petrol stations, pet shops, post offices, banks, newsagents and shops inside hospitals.
Garden centre exclusion would be helpful.
I haven't bought all my seeds and plants yet - wanted to grow to eat them.
You've got to be joking lol. Everyone will be at the Garden Centre if it's allowed to be open - particularly oldies.
Peter Hitchens is playing the game, so beloved of the Left in the Cameron days, of using someone's lesser used forename as a form of derision.
From Gideon Osborne to Alexander Johnson.
I didn't like it then, and I don't like it now.
I think Hitchens considers ‘Boris’ a kind of fictional character/trademark created by our PM
Hitchens opposes everything and everyone.
Nutter like his brother.
I don’t mind him using his middle name. I do object to the media using it in lieu of Johnson. We didn’t hear them talking about Margaret, John, Tony, Gordon, Dave or Theresa in the same way.
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Is that any work? Key services only?
The competence or not of the government is a matter of legitimate concern and should certainly be permitted to be questioned, but it was separate to the point you seemed to be making which was that Boris personally was prevaricating. But if the advice was to phase matters in then even if it was wrong it puts him personally in a different light.
If you wish to assess the response rather than get pouty and swear I'd think such a distinction is rather important.
"The protective clothing has been addressed by Hancock today"...honestly are you serious....?? Doctors and nurses today are exposed to this diseases over and over again without being protected? I ask you again how would you feel if that was your family?
Sorry but he has lost it recently
Emirates/Etihad entire fleets are grounded, Singapore has grounded 96% of its fleet.
As countries respond to the COVID-19 pandemic, including travel and border restrictions, the FCO advises British nationals against all but essential international travel. Any country or area may restrict travel without notice. If you live in the UK and are currently travelling abroad, you are strongly advised to return now, where and while there are still commercial routes available. Many airlines are suspending flights and many airports are closing, preventing flights from leaving.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/travel-advice-novel-coronavirus
I mean once someone arrives here they need to get to a hotel, hire a car etc etc.
Nutter like his brother.
And we use the particle accelerator to smash the positrons into the gluons, ... not like that,.. like that!
The Clapham Common imbeciles or the Snowdonia imbeciles ?
A question for the history books?
If necessary the army and TA can be called out and patrol too.
Every town, village and city and suburb in this country will soon have a police officer on street corners demanding to know why you are out and for how long and in a few weeks maybe your papers too.
Criminals can do crime outside most easily when they can blend into the crowd, not when they are restricted from travel at all
STDs will be through the floor
A friend of mine has been stuck in Bali for three months due to this.
He’s still on full pay.
Oddly, he doesn’t seem that upset.
If only Theresa May hadn't laid off all those tens of thousands of officers that her party claimed we couldn't afford...
I think Boris prevaricated because at the start because he essentially doesn't believe in the state.....
It would be the same if we had Corbyn in charge if we were attacked by the Russians....
Ultimately they would both do the right thing.....but their political ideology slows them down....
NHS frontline staff are woefully unprotected...this is today....this is due to the Govt not taking the threat seriously enough at the outset (ideological) and not having the organisational ability how to do it (competence)
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1242202291718979587
I am worried for my family who can pick up this virus just as anyone can
I admire and have nothing but praise for the NHS staff, but Hancock assures us the protective gear is being supplied
My wife in the high risk category like myself, has to go for a blood test tomorrow and I am extremely worried she may come in contact with some fool acting irresponsibly
Of course I care and to suggest I do not is not worthy of you
/ˈkəːfjuː/
noun
a regulation requiring people to remain indoors between specified hours, typically at night
It doesn’t say anything about how often.
I think he would, and it would have added to the gravitas.
I do not expect to be bothered by the police.
I will not waste time worrying about how long is acceptable either - I will not take the piss and I will act responsibly
Get a fucking grip people
Doctors and nurses will die because the Govt has not planned in advance how to equip them properly for this pandemic.
Instead I have to come on here and see Big_G's nauseating sycophancy....
Nobody capable of doing so on their own initiative ?
I haven't bought all my seeds and plants yet - wanted to grow to eat them.
Priti Patel is also the most powerful Home Secretary since WW2 tonight given the sweeping extra powers of arrest the police have
Would that count as one piece of exercise?
That is the sort of loophole that will come up if fines start to be issued.
(It’s unusual for me to find myself on the same side as Justin, btw.)
At some point in the next few weeks, we are likely to go further and if someone in a household has those symptoms, we will be asking everyone in the household to stay at home. We are not introducing this yet for reasons Sir Patrick will explain, but I want to signal now that this is coming down the track.
20 days ago Boris was telling us he was shaking hands with everyone in a hospital treating Covid-19 patients.