Salmon is “not proven” to be an attempted rapist. He has been acquitted, but surely his political career is over.
Allegedly that was the point of amassing the statements from complainants. I suspect it was never meant to come to trial, just to be used in any AS (or ally) candidature vetting.
» show previous quotes Well, if what your alleging is the case, there will be further legal action to come.
It was stated in the evidence from the court that 6 of them were in a Whatsapp group discussing the allegations.
What does that prove?
Merely that the accusers were an organised group many years after the allegations took place and reported it to SNP first rather than police. I did not say it proved anything merely that they were online comparing stories which I imagine is unusual, though I have no legal qualifications..
Gordon Jackson is a phenomenal criminal lawyer but this must be close to his greatest triumph. His jury speech seems to have swung it. Something just didn't smell right he said. Not going to waste my breath saying he is a nice man. But he is facing serious criminal charges in the High Court.
One story about him. Some years ago he was acting as the AD (Prosecutor). He stands up to make his speech to the Jury.
"They, (he says pointing to the accused) think that you're daft. I don't."
Sits down.
Guilty.
I was supposed to be doing a proof (civil trial) against him next month. Its gone off as a result of the virus.
Gordon Jackson is a phenomenal criminal lawyer but this must be close to his greatest triumph. His jury speech seems to have swung it. Something just didn't smell right he said. Not going to waste my breath saying he is a nice man. But he is facing serious criminal charges in the High Court.
One story about him. Some years ago he was acting as the AD (Prosecutor). He stands up to make his speech to the Jury.
"They, (he says pointing to the accused) think that you're daft. I don't."
Sits down.
Guilty.
I was supposed to be doing a proof (civil trial) against him next month. Its gone off as a result of the virus.
'Something just didn't smell right he said'
Thank God he resisted the temptation to say 'fishy'...
Salmon is “not proven” to be an attempted rapist. He has been acquitted, but surely his political career is over.
Do not bet on it
Interesting to see that both the MSPs for Aberdeen Donside and Banffshire are planning to stand down next year. Don't see any replacements selected yet.
I think it's an exaggeration to say they're "through it". They have it under fairly tight control, but the big question is when they might be able to relax that. But yes, they are doing way better than us.
With unknown virus patients without immediate symptoms apparently causing significant numbers of infections, the government has called for people to avoid nonessential gatherings in crowded places.
South Korea began implementing stricter rules on social distancing on Sunday to slow the coronavirus pandemic.
Citizens are strongly urged to stay at home, except for essential needs or jobs, with the government also restricting religious gatherings, indoor sports activities and attendance at entertainment facilities, such as night clubs and karaoke rooms.
Amid a steady rise in imported virus cases, South Korea has enforced a two-week quarantine period for all long-term arrivals from Europe, regardless of symptoms....
Boris Johnson will address the nation this evening and announce a new, stricter lockdown policy for the UK, the Telegraph understands.
Mr Johnson will chair a meeting of the Government's emergency Cobra committee at 5pm today, then update the country on the latest social distancing measures Downing Street will impose.
The address, which is expected at around 7pm this evening, will likely include the closure of all shops except supermarkets, food stores and pharmacies.
The new measures come as the NHS announced 46 more people have died from Covid-19 in England in the last 24 hours, bringing the total number of UK deaths to 335
Interesting to see how many of Singapore's cases are coming from the UK - 34 new British-originated cases found there today. (FWIW Singaporeans in the UK are heavily concentrated in London.)
Boris Johnson will address the nation this evening and announce a new, stricter lockdown policy for the UK, the Telegraph understands.
Mr Johnson will chair a meeting of the Government's emergency Cobra committee at 5pm today, then update the country on the latest social distancing measures Downing Street will impose.
The address, which is expected at around 7pm this evening, will likely include the closure of all shops except supermarkets, food stores and pharmacies.
The new measures come as the NHS announced 46 more people have died from Covid-19 in England in the last 24 hours, bringing the total number of UK deaths to 335
Is that on top of the 54 or only 54 including this 46?
Boris Johnson will address the nation this evening and announce a new, stricter lockdown policy for the UK, the Telegraph understands.
Mr Johnson will chair a meeting of the Government's emergency Cobra committee at 5pm today, then update the country on the latest social distancing measures Downing Street will impose.
The address, which is expected at around 7pm this evening, will likely include the closure of all shops except supermarkets, food stores and pharmacies.
The new measures come as the NHS announced 46 more people have died from Covid-19 in England in the last 24 hours, bringing the total number of UK deaths to 335
If the Telegraph is right about that then the government's actions are not driven by evidence or experts but by assorted girly swots panicking at news headlines (oh, and Boris is losing control after less than six months).
Boris Johnson will address the nation this evening and announce a new, stricter lockdown policy for the UK, the Telegraph understands.
Mr Johnson will chair a meeting of the Government's emergency Cobra committee at 5pm today, then update the country on the latest social distancing measures Downing Street will impose.
The address, which is expected at around 7pm this evening, will likely include the closure of all shops except supermarkets, food stores and pharmacies.
The new measures come as the NHS announced 46 more people have died from Covid-19 in England in the last 24 hours, bringing the total number of UK deaths to 335
Is that on top of the 54 or only 54 including this 46?
Boris Johnson will address the nation this evening and announce a new, stricter lockdown policy for the UK, the Telegraph understands.
Mr Johnson will chair a meeting of the Government's emergency Cobra committee at 5pm today, then update the country on the latest social distancing measures Downing Street will impose.
The address, which is expected at around 7pm this evening, will likely include the closure of all shops except supermarkets, food stores and pharmacies.
The new measures come as the NHS announced 46 more people have died from Covid-19 in England in the last 24 hours, bringing the total number of UK deaths to 335
If the Telegraph is right about that then the government's actions are not driven by evidence or experts but by assorted girly swots panicking at news headlines (oh, and Boris is losing control after less than six months).
Boris Johnson will address the nation this evening and announce a new, stricter lockdown policy for the UK, the Telegraph understands.
Mr Johnson will chair a meeting of the Government's emergency Cobra committee at 5pm today, then update the country on the latest social distancing measures Downing Street will impose.
The address, which is expected at around 7pm this evening, will likely include the closure of all shops except supermarkets, food stores and pharmacies.
The new measures come as the NHS announced 46 more people have died from Covid-19 in England in the last 24 hours, bringing the total number of UK deaths to 335
1. Even in lockdown people will be allowed to shop. Indeed in Spain its one of the only reasons to be allowed out. We will see a lot of people shopping a lot in lockdown 2. There is not as yet shortage of products in the entire supply chain - we haven't run out of bog rolls. What we have is a supply chain that can move a finite amount of product every night - a relatively inflexible number of pallet footprints available per store per day. Stock may well be in a warehouse somewhere unable to be dropped to stores in sufficient quantities. 3. Morrisons have a nightly high-level logistics meeting discussing what stock goes to where leaving who short. The other multiple grocers will be doing a similar exercise. I can go onto one of their stock systems now and check how much of the lines we produce they have at store and distribution centre level. They can both have stock and be out of stock in some stores simultaneously if the stock isn't uniformly distributed or demand isn't even across all stores. 4. These retailers were set up to operate on an acceptable level of off-sales. As an example Sainsbury's are content with 89% availability from shelf for fresh produce - 11% of all lines can be off-sale and that is ok. Store systems only reorder when stock is really low often with a delivery the following night merched the day after that arrangement. A sudden surge in sales can leave the store out of stock completely for half the week. 5. Fresh produce will undoubtedly become very tight from a stock perspective. You can't keep large buffer stocks in depots on short life stuff, and what buffer they had will already have been sold. Which explains the wholescale shortages in big supermarkets and why my local farm shop is the busiest I have ever seen it.
There will be *some* things to buy. Just won't be what people want. Ironically the closure of restaurants and especially fast food will be a run on stuff like frozen pizza and ready meals. I used to work for one of the major ready meal manufacturers, their big problem is available labour, and thats at the best of times...
Boris Johnson will address the nation this evening and announce a new, stricter lockdown policy for the UK, the Telegraph understands.
Mr Johnson will chair a meeting of the Government's emergency Cobra committee at 5pm today, then update the country on the latest social distancing measures Downing Street will impose.
The address, which is expected at around 7pm this evening, will likely include the closure of all shops except supermarkets, food stores and pharmacies.
The new measures come as the NHS announced 46 more people have died from Covid-19 in England in the last 24 hours, bringing the total number of UK deaths to 335
281 (Sunday's total) + 54 = 335
So 54 = 46 (Eng.) + 8 (other parts of UK)
would be my interpretation of that.
Its key to remember again that is deaths with Covid 19, not necessarily because of Covid 19
Boris Johnson will address the nation this evening and announce a new, stricter lockdown policy for the UK, the Telegraph understands.
Mr Johnson will chair a meeting of the Government's emergency Cobra committee at 5pm today, then update the country on the latest social distancing measures Downing Street will impose.
The address, which is expected at around 7pm this evening, will likely include the closure of all shops except supermarkets, food stores and pharmacies.
The new measures come as the NHS announced 46 more people have died from Covid-19 in England in the last 24 hours, bringing the total number of UK deaths to 335
If the Telegraph is right about that then the government's actions are not driven by evidence or experts but by assorted girly swots panicking at news headlines (oh, and Boris is losing control after less than six months).
ETA that is the political story, not Salmond.
Source
Telegraph. Third bullet point on the home page.
ETA 8.06 am on the "live" page
PM facing 'full-scale cabinet mutiny' if there is no lockdown Boris Johnson is facing a "full scale mutiny" from his cabinet and senior aides if he does not enforce a lockdown of London including restrictions on non-essential travel, according to reports.
Does this verdict change much? People make their own minds up as to guilt or innocence and a verdict won’t change their minds. See OJ Simpson where the reaction to the verdict was split on racial lines. In this case I would imagine that reaction will be similarly polarised according to your own view of the individual.
Boris Johnson will address the nation this evening and announce a new, stricter lockdown policy for the UK, the Telegraph understands.
Mr Johnson will chair a meeting of the Government's emergency Cobra committee at 5pm today, then update the country on the latest social distancing measures Downing Street will impose.
The address, which is expected at around 7pm this evening, will likely include the closure of all shops except supermarkets, food stores and pharmacies.
The new measures come as the NHS announced 46 more people have died from Covid-19 in England in the last 24 hours, bringing the total number of UK deaths to 335
281 (Sunday's total) + 54 = 335
So 54 = 46 (Eng.) + 8 (other parts of UK)
would be my interpretation of that.
Its key to remember again that is deaths with Covid 19, not necessarily because of Covid 19
Aye, but that's a systemic issue so not relevent here unless we start counting things differently.
Boris Johnson will address the nation this evening and announce a new, stricter lockdown policy for the UK, the Telegraph understands.
Mr Johnson will chair a meeting of the Government's emergency Cobra committee at 5pm today, then update the country on the latest social distancing measures Downing Street will impose.
The address, which is expected at around 7pm this evening, will likely include the closure of all shops except supermarkets, food stores and pharmacies.
The new measures come as the NHS announced 46 more people have died from Covid-19 in England in the last 24 hours, bringing the total number of UK deaths to 335
Is that on top of the 54 or only 54 including this 46?
Boris Johnson will address the nation this evening and announce a new, stricter lockdown policy for the UK, the Telegraph understands.
Mr Johnson will chair a meeting of the Government's emergency Cobra committee at 5pm today, then update the country on the latest social distancing measures Downing Street will impose.
The address, which is expected at around 7pm this evening, will likely include the closure of all shops except supermarkets, food stores and pharmacies.
The new measures come as the NHS announced 46 more people have died from Covid-19 in England in the last 24 hours, bringing the total number of UK deaths to 335
281 (Sunday's total) + 54 = 335
So 54 = 46 (Eng.) + 8 (other parts of UK)
would be my interpretation of that.
Its key to remember again that is deaths with Covid 19, not necessarily because of Covid 19
I would be cautious. Until we get testing up to speed and enough reagents to test more patients, we may be significantly under measuring too.
Boris Johnson will address the nation this evening and announce a new, stricter lockdown policy for the UK, the Telegraph understands.
Mr Johnson will chair a meeting of the Government's emergency Cobra committee at 5pm today, then update the country on the latest social distancing measures Downing Street will impose.
The address, which is expected at around 7pm this evening, will likely include the closure of all shops except supermarkets, food stores and pharmacies.
The new measures come as the NHS announced 46 more people have died from Covid-19 in England in the last 24 hours, bringing the total number of UK deaths to 335
Is that on top of the 54 or only 54 including this 46?
Boris Johnson will address the nation this evening and announce a new, stricter lockdown policy for the UK, the Telegraph understands.
Mr Johnson will chair a meeting of the Government's emergency Cobra committee at 5pm today, then update the country on the latest social distancing measures Downing Street will impose.
The address, which is expected at around 7pm this evening, will likely include the closure of all shops except supermarkets, food stores and pharmacies.
The new measures come as the NHS announced 46 more people have died from Covid-19 in England in the last 24 hours, bringing the total number of UK deaths to 335
If the Telegraph is right about that then the government's actions are not driven by evidence or experts but by assorted girly swots panicking at news headlines (oh, and Boris is losing control after less than six months).
ETA that is the political story, not Salmond.
Source
Telegraph. Third bullet point on the home page.
ETA 8.06 am on the "live" page
PM facing 'full-scale cabinet mutiny' if there is no lockdown Boris Johnson is facing a "full scale mutiny" from his cabinet and senior aides if he does not enforce a lockdown of London including restrictions on non-essential travel, according to reports.
Boris Johnson will address the nation this evening and announce a new, stricter lockdown policy for the UK, the Telegraph understands.
Mr Johnson will chair a meeting of the Government's emergency Cobra committee at 5pm today, then update the country on the latest social distancing measures Downing Street will impose.
The address, which is expected at around 7pm this evening, will likely include the closure of all shops except supermarkets, food stores and pharmacies.
The new measures come as the NHS announced 46 more people have died from Covid-19 in England in the last 24 hours, bringing the total number of UK deaths to 335
Is that on top of the 54 or only 54 including this 46?
Including John
John?
His name, not implying the death of anyone known as John :-)
Boris Johnson will address the nation this evening and announce a new, stricter lockdown policy for the UK, the Telegraph understands.
Mr Johnson will chair a meeting of the Government's emergency Cobra committee at 5pm today, then update the country on the latest social distancing measures Downing Street will impose.
The address, which is expected at around 7pm this evening, will likely include the closure of all shops except supermarkets, food stores and pharmacies.
The new measures come as the NHS announced 46 more people have died from Covid-19 in England in the last 24 hours, bringing the total number of UK deaths to 335
Is that on top of the 54 or only 54 including this 46?
I do wonder whether the "everything the UK does is shit" crowd will stop posting these comparisons now that the UK is following a lower mortality path...
Boris Johnson will address the nation this evening and announce a new, stricter lockdown policy for the UK, the Telegraph understands.
Mr Johnson will chair a meeting of the Government's emergency Cobra committee at 5pm today, then update the country on the latest social distancing measures Downing Street will impose.
The address, which is expected at around 7pm this evening, will likely include the closure of all shops except supermarkets, food stores and pharmacies.
The new measures come as the NHS announced 46 more people have died from Covid-19 in England in the last 24 hours, bringing the total number of UK deaths to 335
281 (Sunday's total) + 54 = 335
So 54 = 46 (Eng.) + 8 (other parts of UK)
would be my interpretation of that.
Its key to remember again that is deaths with Covid 19, not necessarily because of Covid 19
I would be cautious. Until we get testing up to speed and enough reagents to test more patients, we may be significantly under measuring too.
I've just got a text message from the NHS Coronavirus Service to confirm I'm on their "risk of severe illness" list and need to kick about at home for 12 weeks (I've not been able to go out since an operation at the start of February so no change there!). Going to be extra careful now though. Wish my older relatives would do the same. they keep scaring me by saying things like "I'm not going out at all, but I will need to pop up to the shop to get some things"!
Question re testing you may not know the answer to Foxy - are we testing everyone who is ill/dies of/with breathing difficulties?
Is this right, friends of my son applying for universal credit - told no payment til 27th April
For real?
So often with this government it reminds of Monty Python's insurance sketch (which crashed straight into "The Bishop" - vicar tries to claim on his insurance and is told "You see, you unfortunately plumped for our 'Neverpay' policy, which, you know, if you never claim is very worthwhile, but you had to claim, and, well, there it is."
Paid for [National] Insurance and can't make a claim? Thats the IDS Neverpay clause. Only make a payment to the righteous and unfortunately if you have fallen enough to need UC you aren't worthy enough to get any.
The Lombardy health commissioner is stating that the trend today is looking hopeful - maybe Italy is now genuinely getting over the hill?
All eyes on today's Italian numbers.
If they are down it will be the second day in a row, and might support @rcs1000 's claim a fortnight ago that lockdowns a) work and b) have a lag of about a fortnight
Boris Johnson will address the nation this evening and announce a new, stricter lockdown policy for the UK, the Telegraph understands.
Mr Johnson will chair a meeting of the Government's emergency Cobra committee at 5pm today, then update the country on the latest social distancing measures Downing Street will impose.
The address, which is expected at around 7pm this evening, will likely include the closure of all shops except supermarkets, food stores and pharmacies.
The new measures come as the NHS announced 46 more people have died from Covid-19 in England in the last 24 hours, bringing the total number of UK deaths to 335
281 (Sunday's total) + 54 = 335
So 54 = 46 (Eng.) + 8 (other parts of UK)
would be my interpretation of that.
Its key to remember again that is deaths with Covid 19, not necessarily because of Covid 19
I would be cautious. Until we get testing up to speed and enough reagents to test more patients, we may be significantly under measuring too.
I've just got a text message from the NHS Coronavirus Service to confirm I'm on their "risk of severe illness" list and need to kick about at home for 12 weeks (I've not been able to go out since an operation at the start of February so no change there!). Going to be extra careful now though. Wish my older relatives would do the same. they keep scaring me by saying things like "I'm not going out at all, but I will need to pop up to the shop to get some things"!
Question re testing you may not know the answer to Foxy - are we testing everyone who is ill/dies of/with breathing difficulties?
In the Acute hospitals, I would think so, but probably not in the community and care homes etc.
Boris Johnson will address the nation this evening and announce a new, stricter lockdown policy for the UK, the Telegraph understands.
Mr Johnson will chair a meeting of the Government's emergency Cobra committee at 5pm today, then update the country on the latest social distancing measures Downing Street will impose.
The address, which is expected at around 7pm this evening, will likely include the closure of all shops except supermarkets, food stores and pharmacies.
The new measures come as the NHS announced 46 more people have died from Covid-19 in England in the last 24 hours, bringing the total number of UK deaths to 335
281 (Sunday's total) + 54 = 335
So 54 = 46 (Eng.) + 8 (other parts of UK)
would be my interpretation of that.
Its key to remember again that is deaths with Covid 19, not necessarily because of Covid 19
I would be cautious. Until we get testing up to speed and enough reagents to test more patients, we may be significantly under measuring too.
Ventured out to do food shopping today, first time leaving flat in 8 days. Streets completely empty, no queue to get into local supermarket. Only 3 other people in there plus all the usual staff. No shortages on anything except mincemeat and eggs funnily enough. All the toilet paper and pasta you could dream of. Staff now have plastic screens in front of them and everyone was wearing a mask (customers and staff). Didn't see any police or get stopped to check my permission slip either. At least the lockdown is being followed in this neighbourhood.
France's numbers don't seem to be increasing at the same huge rate as Spain or Italy were, so I'm hopeful it won't be hit quite as badly, and the lockdown is likely to be extended and strengthened tonight.
Boris Johnson will address the nation this evening and announce a new, stricter lockdown policy for the UK, the Telegraph understands.
Mr Johnson will chair a meeting of the Government's emergency Cobra committee at 5pm today, then update the country on the latest social distancing measures Downing Street will impose.
The address, which is expected at around 7pm this evening, will likely include the closure of all shops except supermarkets, food stores and pharmacies.
The new measures come as the NHS announced 46 more people have died from Covid-19 in England in the last 24 hours, bringing the total number of UK deaths to 335
281 (Sunday's total) + 54 = 335
So 54 = 46 (Eng.) + 8 (other parts of UK)
would be my interpretation of that.
Its key to remember again that is deaths with Covid 19, not necessarily because of Covid 19
I would be cautious. Until we get testing up to speed and enough reagents to test more patients, we may be significantly under measuring too.
Boris Johnson will address the nation this evening and announce a new, stricter lockdown policy for the UK, the Telegraph understands.
Mr Johnson will chair a meeting of the Government's emergency Cobra committee at 5pm today, then update the country on the latest social distancing measures Downing Street will impose.
The address, which is expected at around 7pm this evening, will likely include the closure of all shops except supermarkets, food stores and pharmacies.
The new measures come as the NHS announced 46 more people have died from Covid-19 in England in the last 24 hours, bringing the total number of UK deaths to 335
281 (Sunday's total) + 54 = 335
So 54 = 46 (Eng.) + 8 (other parts of UK)
would be my interpretation of that.
Its key to remember again that is deaths with Covid 19, not necessarily because of Covid 19
I would be cautious. Until we get testing up to speed and enough reagents to test more patients, we may be significantly under measuring too.
2014/15 Excess Winter deaths were 44000, thats between 400-500 extra deaths eaxh day. It didn't even make the news.
Actually, it was in the news quite a bit! "Winter pressures" and "trolley waits" etc.
If in the end the mortality is in 5 figures or less, that will be because of the measures that we take, not that there was no threat in the first place.
I do wonder whether the "everything the UK does is shit" crowd will stop posting these comparisons now that the UK is following a lower mortality path...
I'm going to bet no.
These comparisons are quite frankly crap anyway, since it the effect is different in each country.
Can anyone explain what is happening in Iran? If the Imperial model is correct, surely deaths should be spiralling out of control to 500k or more? 1. There is no lockdown (but some closures) 2. Health service is limited with equipment shortages etc. 3. Outbreak took off before Italy 4. Ok, official numbers are suspect, but they would need to be wrong for deaths by orders of magnitude. Evidence for this would be appearing.
Can anyone explain what is happening in Iran? If the Imperial model is correct, surely deaths should be spiralling out of control to 500k or more? 1. There is no lockdown (but some closures) 2. Health service is limited with equipment shortages etc. 3. Outbreak took off before Italy 4. Ok, official numbers are suspect, but they would need to be wrong for deaths by orders of magnitude. Evidence for this would be appearing.
There was a very good article, recently, using other indicators/statistics that their reported cases was out by at least an order of magnitude.
I've been wondering. Their daily growth rate went from +50/60% overnight to +25% early this month, then a few days later dropped below 10% and kept falling to current 5%. It's not a pattern that gives much confidence in the data.
Can anyone explain what is happening in Iran? If the Imperial model is correct, surely deaths should be spiralling out of control to 500k or more? 1. There is no lockdown (but some closures) 2. Health service is limited with equipment shortages etc. 3. Outbreak took off before Italy 4. Ok, official numbers are suspect, but they would need to be wrong for deaths by orders of magnitude. Evidence for this would be appearing.
Yes, it is interesting, as indeed are the Wuhan figures. It may well be innacurate reporting, but perhaps supports the idea that there are lots of minimally affected cases.
Only when we do mass antibody testing will we find out.
I do wonder whether the "everything the UK does is shit" crowd will stop posting these comparisons now that the UK is following a lower mortality path...
Signs are optimistic but you're counting your chickens a bit here. There's quite a lot of variability in the numbers. Italy had- proportionately- a big leap from March 7th to 8th, a multiple of 1.57. That's much higher than they had in the previous few days, and much higher than they had since then, when the rate was closer to 1.3, dropping down to 1.2 or lower. It essentially meant they gained around 2 normal days worth of deaths in that one day. Since we didn't have an equivalent leap, it's quite expected that we'd go from +14 to +15 days as a result.
Of course it may well be that over the next few days our numbers will continue to be better than their equivalent numbers after that one outlier, and so our line will continue to diverge from theirs. But let's not jump to conclusions yet.
Boris Johnson will address the nation this evening and announce a new, stricter lockdown policy for the UK, the Telegraph understands.
Mr Johnson will chair a meeting of the Government's emergency Cobra committee at 5pm today, then update the country on the latest social distancing measures Downing Street will impose.
The address, which is expected at around 7pm this evening, will likely include the closure of all shops except supermarkets, food stores and pharmacies.
The new measures come as the NHS announced 46 more people have died from Covid-19 in England in the last 24 hours, bringing the total number of UK deaths to 335
281 (Sunday's total) + 54 = 335
So 54 = 46 (Eng.) + 8 (other parts of UK)
would be my interpretation of that.
Its key to remember again that is deaths with Covid 19, not necessarily because of Covid 19
I would be cautious. Until we get testing up to speed and enough reagents to test more patients, we may be significantly under measuring too.
2014/15 Excess Winter deaths were 44000, thats between 400-500 extra deaths eaxh day. It didn't even make the news.
Actually, it was in the news quite a bit! "Winter pressures" and "trolley waits" etc.
If in the end the mortality is in 5 figures or less, that will be because of the measures that we take, not that there was no threat in the first place.
Possibly, but we have destroyed the world economy for Covid 19 but did abolutely nothing for that outbreak of nasty flu in 2015. Did the news in February 2015 start each night with 500 people have died today of flu bringing the total this winter to 35,000?
Can anyone explain what is happening in Iran? If the Imperial model is correct, surely deaths should be spiralling out of control to 500k or more? 1. There is no lockdown (but some closures) 2. Health service is limited with equipment shortages etc. 3. Outbreak took off before Italy 4. Ok, official numbers are suspect, but they would need to be wrong for deaths by orders of magnitude. Evidence for this would be appearing.
Yes, it is interesting, as indeed are the Wuhan figures. It may well be innacurate reporting, but perhaps supports the idea that there are lots of minimally affected cases.
Only when we do mass antibody testing will we find out.
What happened to the talk of two different strains? Is it possible that other (milder?) mutations are circulating and haven’t been picked up yet?
If you want to learn how to cook, Gordon Ramsay's your man on Youtube for the clearest demonstration of techniques. It might be due to his background as a youth footballer.
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I may back Salmonk for the next leader of the SNP if the price is attractive.
He has been acquitted, but surely his political career is over.
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Well, if what your alleging is the case, there will be further legal action to come.
It was stated in the evidence from the court that 6 of them were in a Whatsapp group discussing the allegations.
https://twitter.com/andrewcooper__/status/1241702344095682565?s=21
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/488990-klobuchar-says-her-husband-tested-positive-for-coronavirus
I rather like Ms Sturgeon's no-nonsense approach!
I did not say it proved anything merely that they were online comparing stories which I imagine is unusual, though I have no legal qualifications..
One story about him. Some years ago he was acting as the AD (Prosecutor). He stands up to make his speech to the Jury.
"They, (he says pointing to the accused) think that you're daft. I don't."
Sits down.
Guilty.
I was supposed to be doing a proof (civil trial) against him next month. Its gone off as a result of the virus.
Thank God he resisted the temptation to say 'fishy'...
They have it under fairly tight control, but the big question is when they might be able to relax that.
But yes, they are doing way better than us.
https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2020/03/119_286620.html
...Seoul, Incheon and Gyeonggi Province, which surrounds Seoul and Incheon, saw their new daily infections rise by 20 to 721 on Sunday.
With unknown virus patients without immediate symptoms apparently causing significant numbers of infections, the government has called for people to avoid nonessential gatherings in crowded places.
South Korea began implementing stricter rules on social distancing on Sunday to slow the coronavirus pandemic.
Citizens are strongly urged to stay at home, except for essential needs or jobs, with the government also restricting religious gatherings, indoor sports activities and attendance at entertainment facilities, such as night clubs and karaoke rooms.
Amid a steady rise in imported virus cases, South Korea has enforced a two-week quarantine period for all long-term arrivals from Europe, regardless of symptoms....
Mr Johnson will chair a meeting of the Government's emergency Cobra committee at 5pm today, then update the country on the latest social distancing measures Downing Street will impose.
The address, which is expected at around 7pm this evening, will likely include the closure of all shops except supermarkets, food stores and pharmacies.
The new measures come as the NHS announced 46 more people have died from Covid-19 in England in the last 24 hours, bringing the total number of UK deaths to 335
https://twitter.com/Piers_Corbyn/status/1239367865784033280
Interesting to see how many of Singapore's cases are coming from the UK - 34 new British-originated cases found there today. (FWIW Singaporeans in the UK are heavily concentrated in London.)
If the Telegraph is right about that then the government's actions are not driven by evidence or experts but by assorted girly swots panicking at news headlines (oh, and Boris is losing control after less than six months).
ETA that is the political story, not Salmond.
So 54 = 46 (Eng.) + 8 (other parts of UK)
would be my interpretation of that.
1. Even in lockdown people will be allowed to shop. Indeed in Spain its one of the only reasons to be allowed out. We will see a lot of people shopping a lot in lockdown
2. There is not as yet shortage of products in the entire supply chain - we haven't run out of bog rolls. What we have is a supply chain that can move a finite amount of product every night - a relatively inflexible number of pallet footprints available per store per day. Stock may well be in a warehouse somewhere unable to be dropped to stores in sufficient quantities.
3. Morrisons have a nightly high-level logistics meeting discussing what stock goes to where leaving who short. The other multiple grocers will be doing a similar exercise. I can go onto one of their stock systems now and check how much of the lines we produce they have at store and distribution centre level. They can both have stock and be out of stock in some stores simultaneously if the stock isn't uniformly distributed or demand isn't even across all stores.
4. These retailers were set up to operate on an acceptable level of off-sales. As an example Sainsbury's are content with 89% availability from shelf for fresh produce - 11% of all lines can be off-sale and that is ok. Store systems only reorder when stock is really low often with a delivery the following night merched the day after that arrangement. A sudden surge in sales can leave the store out of stock completely for half the week.
5. Fresh produce will undoubtedly become very tight from a stock perspective. You can't keep large buffer stocks in depots on short life stuff, and what buffer they had will already have been sold. Which explains the wholescale shortages in big supermarkets and why my local farm shop is the busiest I have ever seen it.
There will be *some* things to buy. Just won't be what people want. Ironically the closure of restaurants and especially fast food will be a run on stuff like frozen pizza and ready meals. I used to work for one of the major ready meal manufacturers, their big problem is available labour, and thats at the best of times...
Scotland 4
Wales 4
Total = 54
Salmond accused of assault and attempted rape.
The ramifications could be huge.
Salmond found guilty of all charges.
The ramifications could be huge.
Salmond found guilty of some of the charges.
The ramifications could be huge.
Salmond acquitted on all charges.
The ramifications could be huge.
ETA 8.06 am on the "live" page
PM facing 'full-scale cabinet mutiny' if there is no lockdown
Boris Johnson is facing a "full scale mutiny" from his cabinet and senior aides if he does not enforce a lockdown of London including restrictions on non-essential travel, according to reports.
Cabinet ministers and aides want the Prime Minister to bring in French or Italian-style lockdown measures in the next 24 hours. Yesterday he warned "tougher measures" could be introduced if people do not take the Government's coronavirus advice seriously.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-latest-lockdown-panic-buying-news-cases-nhs/
For real?
As Varadkar said today decisions are not made with reference to twitter or journalists but to the advice of his medical and science advisors
And that is where I stand
They can apply for an advance which will be with them shortly.
The advance will be deducted from the next 12 months worth of payments.
Fingers crossed.
Indeed. The curve seems – mercifully – to be somewhat slower here.
Question re testing you may not know the answer to Foxy - are we testing everyone who is ill/dies of/with breathing difficulties?
Paid for [National] Insurance and can't make a claim? Thats the IDS Neverpay clause. Only make a payment to the righteous and unfortunately if you have fallen enough to need UC you aren't worthy enough to get any.
Believe me, this will run and run.
And it's nowt to do with Yoons versus Nats.
If they are down it will be the second day in a row, and might support @rcs1000 's claim a fortnight ago that lockdowns a) work and b) have a lag of about a fortnight
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/highestnumberofexcesswinterdeathssince19992000/2015-11-25
2014/15 Excess Winter deaths due to flu were 44000, thats between 400-500 extra deaths each day. It didn't even make the news.
France's numbers don't seem to be increasing at the same huge rate as Spain or Italy were, so I'm hopeful it won't be hit quite as badly, and the lockdown is likely to be extended and strengthened tonight.
EDIT - especially if they've compared the 7th with the 21st, which was 2 days ago?
If in the end the mortality is in 5 figures or less, that will be because of the measures that we take, not that there was no threat in the first place.
These comparisons are quite frankly crap anyway, since it the effect is different in each country.
1. There is no lockdown (but some closures)
2. Health service is limited with equipment shortages etc.
3. Outbreak took off before Italy
4. Ok, official numbers are suspect, but they would need to be wrong for deaths by orders of magnitude. Evidence for this would be appearing.
I’m assuming it is a private landlord?
Cobra to meet at 5.00pm and Boris to address the nation around 7.00pm
Only when we do mass antibody testing will we find out.
Of course it may well be that over the next few days our numbers will continue to be better than their equivalent numbers after that one outlier, and so our line will continue to diverge from theirs. But let's not jump to conclusions yet.
Did the news in February 2015 start each night with 500 people have died today of flu bringing the total this winter to 35,000?
Currently positive: 50418 (+3780 net increase)
including 3204 in ICU
Deaths: 602
Healed: 408
Total new cases: 4789 (1555 of them in Lombardia)
https://twitter.com/BenKentish/status/1242112493532655618