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That Beyoncé dancing Shostakovich has become quite a meme.Charles said:
That is brilliant thanksAlastairMeeks said:Anyone holed up and seeking some harmless entertainment could do worse than reviewing @communistbops’ oeuvre on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/communistbops/status/1238929625734053888?s=210 -
Still fighting yesterday's war?williamglenn said:
Which totally destroys the main liberal Leaver argument for Brexit.Charles said:
Yes. Globalisation is done.RobD said:
While I am not arguing there won't be disruption, but a different era? Was the Spanish flu as transformative?Benpointer said:
Yes. Seismic shift.SouthamObserver said:This is going to change everything, isn’t it?
Pre-Corona v. Post-Corona will be different eras.
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Stop their pension? Make them pay for their TV licence? (Oh...)MarqueeMark said:
Question is, what are the sanctions on those who say "sod off?"Stocky said:
I wouldn`t take much notice of this link. The article says "could" not "will". And "instructed by the government" not "made illegal to leave your home".Andy_JS said:
I hope age isn't the only determinant. Some 70 year olds are in better health than 55 year olds.williamglenn said:
My dad would be furious if they legally enforced this. He`d rather risk catching the virus.
This is Britain. There would be serious tutting. That should send them zimmer-framing it back home to their Reader's Digest Tricky Sudoku Vol 87..... 0 -
I just had a chat with my Mum (mid 70s) about it after having seen the tweet. I told her it is a possibility but not necessarily certain and she was very pragmatic about it. Basically her attitude is that she knows she is at risk and she knows and understands the plan they have in place. Since that plan obviously necessitates isolation for her whilst it is being enacted she accepts that. She likes being alive and doesn't particularly want it to end any time soon so she will do what is necessary.Benpointer said:
I have to admit it is a relief as she is rather independent minded at times so I was not at all sure what her reaction would be.1 -
I see Dom's name is mentioned. Is this serious or is he just trying to get in on the act?williamglenn said:0 -
You really are clueless, they will be more likely to be dead without quarantine.RochdalePioneers said:
Take a whole load of frail pensioners and lock them away for months. They'll be dead.HYUFD said:
Nope as it is going to be enforced within 20 days if you read the article and we are still far from the peak which will be 2 or 3 months awayRochdalePioneers said:
Sensible in that most of them will be dead by then...?HYUFD said:
Over 70s to be quarantined until July, sensible by Boris and the rest of us without pre existing health conditions can build up immunitywilliamglenn said:
Food can be delivered, many elderly are largely housebound anyway0 -
I shall be countering any objections from either my mum or my father-in-law with: "well you voted for this government"Richard_Tyndall said:
I just had a chat with my Mum (mid 70s) about it after having seen the tweet. I told her it is a possibility but not necessarily certain and she was very pragmatic about it. Basically her attitude is that she knows she is at risk and she knows and understands the plan they have in place. Since that plan obviously necessitates isolation for her whilst it is being enacted she accepts that. She likes being alive and doesn't particularly want it to end any time soon so she will do what is necessary.Benpointer said:
I have to admit it is a relief as she is rather independent minded at times so I was not at all sure what her reaction would be. 4 -
I`ve heard that in Italy people are actually being fined for going out to walk their dog.MarqueeMark said:
Question is, what are the sanctions on those who say "sod off?"Stocky said:
I wouldn`t take much notice of this link. The article says "could" not "will". And "instructed by the government" not "made illegal to leave your home".Andy_JS said:
I hope age isn't the only determinant. Some 70 year olds are in better health than 55 year olds.williamglenn said:
My dad would be furious if they legally enforced this. He`d rather risk catching the virus.
This is Britain. There would be serious tutting. That should send them zimmer-framing it back home to their Reader's Digest Tricky Sudoku Vol 87.....0 -
I suspect countries will want to have more self-sufficiency for security reasons which will put a dampener on international trade.Charles said:
Yes. Globalisation is done.RobD said:
While I am not arguing there won't be disruption, but a different era? Was the Spanish flu as transformative?Benpointer said:
Yes. Seismic shift.SouthamObserver said:This is going to change everything, isn’t it?
Pre-Corona v. Post-Corona will be different eras.
There will also be an economic cost to this which in turn will mean less money for foreign holidays and imported consumer tat.0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1hpRwha0qsIanB2 said:
That Beyoncé dancing Shostakovich has become quite a meme.Charles said:
That is brilliant thanksAlastairMeeks said:Anyone holed up and seeking some harmless entertainment could do worse than reviewing @communistbops’ oeuvre on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/communistbops/status/1238929625734053888?s=210 -
As would I - there is plenty of evidence as to what is coming fast down the tracksFrancisUrquhart said:From the article...
Other measures already being planned include:
"emergency manufacture by several companies of respirators that would be necessary to keep alive those who become acutely ill;"
I would sort of hope they were doing that already....0 -
Is it something you can, or want, to do ?Andy_JS said:If this happens I'm going to have to take over my dad's business for 4 months, which I wasn't planning on doing.
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This caught my eye: "What keeps ministers and officials awake at night is the fear that if the epidemic becomes too great they would have to make appalling decisions, such as that the NHS would stop treating people over a certain age, such as 65."Stark_Dawning said:
I see Dom's name is mentioned. Is this serious or is he just trying to get in on the act?williamglenn said:
Happy with that fellow PBers?0 -
I find it odd that young people take risks (bungey jumping) and old people avoid risks when it should be the other way round.RobD said:
Why? They are the most at risk group.Barnesian said:
People over 70 in strict isolation at home - that's a joke!!algarkirk said:
Young people have their lives before them. Old people don't. Old people can afford to take big risks, They don't have a lot to lose. That's why I did 69 km/h down a black run last Sunday.
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Expose them to coronavirus. They'll be dead. And the frailer they are the more de facto locked away they are already.RochdalePioneers said:
Take a whole load of frail pensioners and lock them away for months. They'll be dead.HYUFD said:
Nope as it is going to be enforced within 20 days if you read the article and we are still far from the peak which will be 2 or 3 months awayRochdalePioneers said:
Sensible in that most of them will be dead by then...?HYUFD said:
Over 70s to be quarantined until July, sensible by Boris and the rest of us without pre existing health conditions can build up immunitywilliamglenn said:1 -
You really want to start that again in the same week the good Europeans in Berlin have banned medical exports to Italy?williamglenn said:
Which totally destroys the main liberal Leaver argument for Brexit.Charles said:
Yes. Globalisation is done.RobD said:
While I am not arguing there won't be disruption, but a different era? Was the Spanish flu as transformative?Benpointer said:
Yes. Seismic shift.SouthamObserver said:This is going to change everything, isn’t it?
Pre-Corona v. Post-Corona will be different eras.2 -
Id suggest initially just warning people out and about. See how that goes for the first week or two. If we have 90%+ compliance dont bother with penalties at all. If its 50% or less thats the time to think about sanctions.MarqueeMark said:
Question is, what are the sanctions on those who say "sod off?"Stocky said:
I wouldn`t take much notice of this link. The article says "could" not "will". And "instructed by the government" not "made illegal to leave your home".Andy_JS said:
I hope age isn't the only determinant. Some 70 year olds are in better health than 55 year olds.williamglenn said:
My dad would be furious if they legally enforced this. He`d rather risk catching the virus.
This is Britain. There would be serious tutting. That should send them zimmer-framing it back home to their Reader's Digest Tricky Sudoku Vol 87.....1 -
One would also rather hope that any firm with the capability to do so, and any common sense, has switched to full surge production anyway since there’s no shortage of likely buyers....FrancisUrquhart said:From the article...
Other measures already being planned include:
"emergency manufacture by several companies of respirators that would be necessary to keep alive those who become acutely ill;"
I would sort of hope they were doing that already....
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WhisperingOracle said:
I overheard two cheerful groups of seventy year olds outside the supermarket today - "Ah John ! Are you in self-isolation ? Yes, we are too."Benpointer said:
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I would hope that the government have already told the medical supply providers to go to maximum production with all costs to be funded.Floater said:
As would I - there is plenty of evidence as to what is coming fast down the tracksFrancisUrquhart said:From the article...
Other measures already being planned include:
"emergency manufacture by several companies of respirators that would be necessary to keep alive those who become acutely ill;"
I would sort of hope they were doing that already....0 -
Now that is going too far!Stocky said:
I`ve heard that in Italy people are actually being fined for going out to walk their dog.MarqueeMark said:
Question is, what are the sanctions on those who say "sod off?"Stocky said:
I wouldn`t take much notice of this link. The article says "could" not "will". And "instructed by the government" not "made illegal to leave your home".Andy_JS said:
I hope age isn't the only determinant. Some 70 year olds are in better health than 55 year olds.williamglenn said:
My dad would be furious if they legally enforced this. He`d rather risk catching the virus.
This is Britain. There would be serious tutting. That should send them zimmer-framing it back home to their Reader's Digest Tricky Sudoku Vol 87.....0 -
Obviously a particular group of viewpoints have taken over PB tonight so it’s not worth posting as you will be shouted down, such confidence in their views and in their leaders. So I’m off to bed as I can’t be arsed by someone trying to humiliate me for my views because they know they are right.0
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I know I will be a real Donny Downer, but surely -
Eurovision can't still go ahead, can it?
https://www.nme.com/news/music/eurovision-2020-organisers-delay-cancellation-decision-26252360 -
What different circles we mix in!MarqueeMark said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1hpRwha0qsIanB2 said:
That Beyoncé dancing Shostakovich has become quite a meme.Charles said:
That is brilliant thanksAlastairMeeks said:Anyone holed up and seeking some harmless entertainment could do worse than reviewing @communistbops’ oeuvre on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/communistbops/status/1238929625734053888?s=21
https://youtu.be/w8qaGcq8Ruk1 -
The budget will make handy toilet paper for the chancellor...0
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It’s the potential for pub closures I’m worried about. If that happens, it’ll be the end of the world.Benpointer said:
Now that is going too far!Stocky said:
I`ve heard that in Italy people are actually being fined for going out to walk their dog.MarqueeMark said:
Question is, what are the sanctions on those who say "sod off?"Stocky said:
I wouldn`t take much notice of this link. The article says "could" not "will". And "instructed by the government" not "made illegal to leave your home".Andy_JS said:
I hope age isn't the only determinant. Some 70 year olds are in better health than 55 year olds.williamglenn said:
My dad would be furious if they legally enforced this. He`d rather risk catching the virus.
This is Britain. There would be serious tutting. That should send them zimmer-framing it back home to their Reader's Digest Tricky Sudoku Vol 87.....
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My mum is 73 and works on the till in Boots the chemist...Richard_Tyndall said:
I just had a chat with my Mum (mid 70s) about it after having seen the tweet. I told her it is a possibility but not necessarily certain and she was very pragmatic about it. Basically her attitude is that she knows she is at risk and she knows and understands the plan they have in place. Since that plan obviously necessitates isolation for her whilst it is being enacted she accepts that. She likes being alive and doesn't particularly want it to end any time soon so she will do what is necessary.Benpointer said:
I have to admit it is a relief as she is rather independent minded at times so I was not at all sure what her reaction would be.0 -
Well, maybe he should dip his hands in his pocket to chip in £2-3bn of that.Scott_xP said:1 -
I suspect this is just Dom and the 'Nudge Unit' engaging in some behavioural hocus-pocus, though to what purpose I'm not at all clear.Benpointer said:
This caught my eye: "What keeps ministers and officials awake at night is the fear that if the epidemic becomes too great they would have to make appalling decisions, such as that the NHS would stop treating people over a certain age, such as 65."Stark_Dawning said:
I see Dom's name is mentioned. Is this serious or is he just trying to get in on the act?williamglenn said:
Happy with that fellow PBers?0 -
Alternatively, just remind them "We're jumping through all these fucking hoops and trashing the economy along the way so you miserable scrotes don't all die. Look, the kids just want to invite you all to corona parties....."noneoftheabove said:
Id suggest initially just warning people out and about. See how that goes for the first week or two. If we have 90%+ compliance dont bother with penalties at all. If its 50% or less thats the time to think about sanctions.MarqueeMark said:
Question is, what are the sanctions on those who say "sod off?"Stocky said:
I wouldn`t take much notice of this link. The article says "could" not "will". And "instructed by the government" not "made illegal to leave your home".Andy_JS said:
I hope age isn't the only determinant. Some 70 year olds are in better health than 55 year olds.williamglenn said:
My dad would be furious if they legally enforced this. He`d rather risk catching the virus.
This is Britain. There would be serious tutting. That should send them zimmer-framing it back home to their Reader's Digest Tricky Sudoku Vol 87.....0 -
No medical treatment is the obvious sanction.MarqueeMark said:
Question is, what are the sanctions on those who say "sod off?"Stocky said:
I wouldn`t take much notice of this link. The article says "could" not "will". And "instructed by the government" not "made illegal to leave your home".Andy_JS said:
I hope age isn't the only determinant. Some 70 year olds are in better health than 55 year olds.williamglenn said:
My dad would be furious if they legally enforced this. He`d rather risk catching the virus.
This is Britain. There would be serious tutting. That should send them zimmer-framing it back home to their Reader's Digest Tricky Sudoku Vol 87.....
So it would be at their own risk.0 -
How will the travel industry ever get over this?
Travel insurance renewals are going to be a bit of a shocker, I suspect.0 -
A bit rough for those who, like @isam’s mum, are still working. Forcing a choice between income and health coverage would be brutal.another_richard said:
No medical treatment is the obvious sanction.MarqueeMark said:
Question is, what are the sanctions on those who say "sod off?"Stocky said:
I wouldn`t take much notice of this link. The article says "could" not "will". And "instructed by the government" not "made illegal to leave your home".Andy_JS said:
I hope age isn't the only determinant. Some 70 year olds are in better health than 55 year olds.williamglenn said:
My dad would be furious if they legally enforced this. He`d rather risk catching the virus.
This is Britain. There would be serious tutting. That should send them zimmer-framing it back home to their Reader's Digest Tricky Sudoku Vol 87.....
So it would be at their own risk.1 -
"We were going to put you on a ventilator but then we heard a rumour you'd nipped out for some milk last week, so sorry..."another_richard said:
No medical treatment is the obvious sanction.MarqueeMark said:
Question is, what are the sanctions on those who say "sod off?"Stocky said:
I wouldn`t take much notice of this link. The article says "could" not "will". And "instructed by the government" not "made illegal to leave your home".Andy_JS said:
I hope age isn't the only determinant. Some 70 year olds are in better health than 55 year olds.williamglenn said:
My dad would be furious if they legally enforced this. He`d rather risk catching the virus.
This is Britain. There would be serious tutting. That should send them zimmer-framing it back home to their Reader's Digest Tricky Sudoku Vol 87.....
So it would be at their own risk.2 -
There was a lady in Dartmouth who until about 18 months ago, used to single-handedly run the electrical supplies shop. Sadly she had a bit of a stroke and had to give it up, at 93.....isam said:
My mum is 73 and works on the till in Boots the chemist...Richard_Tyndall said:
I just had a chat with my Mum (mid 70s) about it after having seen the tweet. I told her it is a possibility but not necessarily certain and she was very pragmatic about it. Basically her attitude is that she knows she is at risk and she knows and understands the plan they have in place. Since that plan obviously necessitates isolation for her whilst it is being enacted she accepts that. She likes being alive and doesn't particularly want it to end any time soon so she will do what is necessary.Benpointer said:
I have to admit it is a relief as she is rather independent minded at times so I was not at all sure what her reaction would be.0 -
The immune system weakens with age even in the fit and healthy.Andy_JS said:
I hope age isn't the only determinant. Some 70 year olds are in better health than 55 year olds.williamglenn said:1 -
Might give Trump an idea, all over 75s must stay home indefinitely....safety first Bernie and Joe.2
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I would bloody hope the government have thought about those in their 70s still working, surely you just agree to pay their wages.1
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If you are over 70 you are generally living off your pension, if you choose to add extra income by work at present afraid you are risking death continuing to do soAlastairMeeks said:
A bit rough for those who, like @isam’s mum, are still working. Forcing a choice between income and health coverage would be brutal.another_richard said:
No medical treatment is the obvious sanction.MarqueeMark said:
Question is, what are the sanctions on those who say "sod off?"Stocky said:
I wouldn`t take much notice of this link. The article says "could" not "will". And "instructed by the government" not "made illegal to leave your home".Andy_JS said:
I hope age isn't the only determinant. Some 70 year olds are in better health than 55 year olds.williamglenn said:
My dad would be furious if they legally enforced this. He`d rather risk catching the virus.
This is Britain. There would be serious tutting. That should send them zimmer-framing it back home to their Reader's Digest Tricky Sudoku Vol 87.....
So it would be at their own risk.0 -
A lot of 70 year olds work these days. More than most people probably think.FrancisUrquhart said:I would bloody hope the government have thought about those in their 70s still working, surely you just agree to pay their wages.
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I prefer your world! Brilliant.isam said:
What different circles we mix in!MarqueeMark said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1hpRwha0qsIanB2 said:
That Beyoncé dancing Shostakovich has become quite a meme.Charles said:
That is brilliant thanksAlastairMeeks said:Anyone holed up and seeking some harmless entertainment could do worse than reviewing @communistbops’ oeuvre on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/communistbops/status/1238929625734053888?s=21
https://youtu.be/w8qaGcq8Ruk0 -
Some need to work, and shouldn't be penalised. Agree with @FrancisUrquhart that something should be done for them if they are expected to isolate, or minimise their interaction with the outside world.HYUFD said:
If you are over 70 you are generally living off your pension, if you choose to add extra income by work at present afraid you are risking death continuing to do soAlastairMeeks said:
A bit rough for those who, like @isam’s mum, are still working. Forcing a choice between income and health coverage would be brutal.another_richard said:
No medical treatment is the obvious sanction.MarqueeMark said:
Question is, what are the sanctions on those who say "sod off?"Stocky said:
I wouldn`t take much notice of this link. The article says "could" not "will". And "instructed by the government" not "made illegal to leave your home".Andy_JS said:
I hope age isn't the only determinant. Some 70 year olds are in better health than 55 year olds.williamglenn said:
My dad would be furious if they legally enforced this. He`d rather risk catching the virus.
This is Britain. There would be serious tutting. That should send them zimmer-framing it back home to their Reader's Digest Tricky Sudoku Vol 87.....
So it would be at their own risk.0 -
It is.AlastairMeeks said:
A bit rough for those who, like @isam’s mum, are still working. Forcing a choice between income and health coverage would be brutal.another_richard said:
No medical treatment is the obvious sanction.MarqueeMark said:
Question is, what are the sanctions on those who say "sod off?"Stocky said:
I wouldn`t take much notice of this link. The article says "could" not "will". And "instructed by the government" not "made illegal to leave your home".Andy_JS said:
I hope age isn't the only determinant. Some 70 year olds are in better health than 55 year olds.williamglenn said:
My dad would be furious if they legally enforced this. He`d rather risk catching the virus.
This is Britain. There would be serious tutting. That should send them zimmer-framing it back home to their Reader's Digest Tricky Sudoku Vol 87.....
So it would be at their own risk.
Though you could have exemptions - people working in vital sectors for example.
The number employed must tail off pretty rapidly after 70 I guess.0 -
Have to say working in Flight Meta Search leaves me feeling pretty precariously employed even as I cash in some of my share options (purchase price fixed at the start of Jan).0
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This blanket quarantining of the elderly will likely be enforced in the next 20 days as Boris Johnson ratchets up efforts to tackle the UK's outbreak.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8112177/Coronavirus-deaths-UK-double-overnight-21.html
20 days, that seems like waiting too long !!! I know they think we are 3-4 weeks behind Italy, but surely we can't wait 3 more weeks to lock away the oldies if the strategy is to infect everybody else.0 -
I did wonder what the original sounded like.MarqueeMark said:
I prefer your world! Brilliant.isam said:
What different circles we mix in!MarqueeMark said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1hpRwha0qsIanB2 said:
That Beyoncé dancing Shostakovich has become quite a meme.Charles said:
That is brilliant thanksAlastairMeeks said:Anyone holed up and seeking some harmless entertainment could do worse than reviewing @communistbops’ oeuvre on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/communistbops/status/1238929625734053888?s=21
https://youtu.be/w8qaGcq8Ruk1 -
And on doctor’s orders, Trump must stay in the White House for at least four years?FrancisUrquhart said:Might give Trump an idea, all over 75s must stay home indefinitely....safety first Bernie and Joe.
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FFS...
Downing Street's new raft of measures marks a U-turn after the government earlier this week flatly refused to follow European counterparts in curbing person-to-person contact.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8112177/Coronavirus-deaths-UK-double-overnight-21.html
The media are acting like total twats....which bit of a plan of steady increased set of rules including increasing social distancing did they not listen to the two egg heads talk about. They never said they wouldn't, they said they didn't want to do it too early.3 -
Are those shares still worth anything?Alistair said:Have to say working in Flight Meta Search leaves me feeling pretty precariously employed even as I cash in some of my share options (purchase price fixed at the start of Jan).
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Sorry to hear that, Alistair. That's one of my big worries about all this, the huge amount of unemployment.Alistair said:Have to say working in Flight Meta Search leaves me feeling pretty precariously employed even as I cash in some of my share options (purchase price fixed at the start of Jan).
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Agreed - hugely frustrating.FrancisUrquhart said:FFS...
Downing Street's new raft of measures marks a U-turn after the government earlier this week flatly refused to follow European counterparts in curbing person-to-person contact.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8112177/Coronavirus-deaths-UK-double-overnight-21.html
The media are acting like total twats....which bit of a plan of steady increased set of rules including increasing social distancing did they not listen to the two egg heads talk about. They never said they wouldn't, they said they didn't want to do it too early.1 -
I hope you sued the charm school.HYUFD said:
If you are over 70 you are generally living off your pension, if you choose to add extra income by work at present afraid you are risking death continuing to do soAlastairMeeks said:
A bit rough for those who, like @isam’s mum, are still working. Forcing a choice between income and health coverage would be brutal.another_richard said:
No medical treatment is the obvious sanction.MarqueeMark said:
Question is, what are the sanctions on those who say "sod off?"Stocky said:
I wouldn`t take much notice of this link. The article says "could" not "will". And "instructed by the government" not "made illegal to leave your home".Andy_JS said:
I hope age isn't the only determinant. Some 70 year olds are in better health than 55 year olds.williamglenn said:
My dad would be furious if they legally enforced this. He`d rather risk catching the virus.
This is Britain. There would be serious tutting. That should send them zimmer-framing it back home to their Reader's Digest Tricky Sudoku Vol 87.....
So it would be at their own risk.1 -
Yes. That was said on here 4 weeks ago and scoffed at. Anyway.Charles said:
Yes. Globalisation is done.RobD said:
While I am not arguing there won't be disruption, but a different era? Was the Spanish flu as transformative?Benpointer said:
Yes. Seismic shift.SouthamObserver said:This is going to change everything, isn’t it?
Pre-Corona v. Post-Corona will be different eras.
Given the brave new world, do you have any investment strategies you want to share with those of us who are good on the health stuff but not so good on the knowing how to make money stuff? Thanks.0 -
To be fair, she doesn’t need the money, she just doesn’t want to retire completely so has a part time job. My Dads an asthmatic who’s just finished chemotherapy and had sepsis in December, he’s my main worry.AlastairMeeks said:
A bit rough for those who, like @isam’s mum, are still working. Forcing a choice between income and health coverage would be brutal.another_richard said:
No medical treatment is the obvious sanction.MarqueeMark said:
Question is, what are the sanctions on those who say "sod off?"Stocky said:
I wouldn`t take much notice of this link. The article says "could" not "will". And "instructed by the government" not "made illegal to leave your home".Andy_JS said:
I hope age isn't the only determinant. Some 70 year olds are in better health than 55 year olds.williamglenn said:
My dad would be furious if they legally enforced this. He`d rather risk catching the virus.
This is Britain. There would be serious tutting. That should send them zimmer-framing it back home to their Reader's Digest Tricky Sudoku Vol 87.....
So it would be at their own risk.
The missus and I are staying in as much as poss, but a 4 month old baby means there’s always entertainment/something to do0 -
I can see some over 70 directors scamming the govt for a few £m under that scheme.RobD said:
Some need to work, and shouldn't be penalised. Agree with @FrancisUrquhart that something should be done for them if they are expected to isolate, or minimise their interaction with the outside world.HYUFD said:
If you are over 70 you are generally living off your pension, if you choose to add extra income by work at present afraid you are risking death continuing to do soAlastairMeeks said:
A bit rough for those who, like @isam’s mum, are still working. Forcing a choice between income and health coverage would be brutal.another_richard said:
No medical treatment is the obvious sanction.MarqueeMark said:
Question is, what are the sanctions on those who say "sod off?"Stocky said:
I wouldn`t take much notice of this link. The article says "could" not "will". And "instructed by the government" not "made illegal to leave your home".Andy_JS said:
I hope age isn't the only determinant. Some 70 year olds are in better health than 55 year olds.williamglenn said:
My dad would be furious if they legally enforced this. He`d rather risk catching the virus.
This is Britain. There would be serious tutting. That should send them zimmer-framing it back home to their Reader's Digest Tricky Sudoku Vol 87.....
So it would be at their own risk.0 -
I think I might have to self-isolate from the media, it is causing me more damage than the coronavirus.RobD said:
Agreed - hugely frustrating.FrancisUrquhart said:FFS...
Downing Street's new raft of measures marks a U-turn after the government earlier this week flatly refused to follow European counterparts in curbing person-to-person contact.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8112177/Coronavirus-deaths-UK-double-overnight-21.html
The media are acting like total twats....which bit of a plan of steady increased set of rules including increasing social distancing did they not listen to the two egg heads talk about. They never said they wouldn't, they said they didn't want to do it too early.2 -
Perhaps capped at 1.5-2x minimum wage or something.Benpointer said:
I can see some over 70 directors scamming the govt for a few £m under that scheme.RobD said:
Some need to work, and shouldn't be penalised. Agree with @FrancisUrquhart that something should be done for them if they are expected to isolate, or minimise their interaction with the outside world.HYUFD said:
If you are over 70 you are generally living off your pension, if you choose to add extra income by work at present afraid you are risking death continuing to do soAlastairMeeks said:
A bit rough for those who, like @isam’s mum, are still working. Forcing a choice between income and health coverage would be brutal.another_richard said:
No medical treatment is the obvious sanction.MarqueeMark said:
Question is, what are the sanctions on those who say "sod off?"Stocky said:
I wouldn`t take much notice of this link. The article says "could" not "will". And "instructed by the government" not "made illegal to leave your home".Andy_JS said:
I hope age isn't the only determinant. Some 70 year olds are in better health than 55 year olds.williamglenn said:
My dad would be furious if they legally enforced this. He`d rather risk catching the virus.
This is Britain. There would be serious tutting. That should send them zimmer-framing it back home to their Reader's Digest Tricky Sudoku Vol 87.....
So it would be at their own risk.
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They can survive on their state or private pension for a bit, assistance and sick pay should be focused on under 65s self isolatingRobD said:
Some need to work, and shouldn't be penalised. Agree with @FrancisUrquhart that something should be done for them if they are expected to isolate, or minimise their interaction with the outside world.HYUFD said:
If you are over 70 you are generally living off your pension, if you choose to add extra income by work at present afraid you are risking death continuing to do soAlastairMeeks said:
A bit rough for those who, like @isam’s mum, are still working. Forcing a choice between income and health coverage would be brutal.another_richard said:
No medical treatment is the obvious sanction.MarqueeMark said:
Question is, what are the sanctions on those who say "sod off?"Stocky said:
I wouldn`t take much notice of this link. The article says "could" not "will". And "instructed by the government" not "made illegal to leave your home".Andy_JS said:
I hope age isn't the only determinant. Some 70 year olds are in better health than 55 year olds.williamglenn said:
My dad would be furious if they legally enforced this. He`d rather risk catching the virus.
This is Britain. There would be serious tutting. That should send them zimmer-framing it back home to their Reader's Digest Tricky Sudoku Vol 87.....
So it would be at their own risk.0 -
Surely you simply say the scheme is we will pay your wages up to a total of £xx,000. 4 months, max £40k ?Benpointer said:
I can see some over 70 directors scamming the govt for a few £m under that scheme.RobD said:
Some need to work, and shouldn't be penalised. Agree with @FrancisUrquhart that something should be done for them if they are expected to isolate, or minimise their interaction with the outside world.HYUFD said:
If you are over 70 you are generally living off your pension, if you choose to add extra income by work at present afraid you are risking death continuing to do soAlastairMeeks said:
A bit rough for those who, like @isam’s mum, are still working. Forcing a choice between income and health coverage would be brutal.another_richard said:
No medical treatment is the obvious sanction.MarqueeMark said:
Question is, what are the sanctions on those who say "sod off?"Stocky said:
I wouldn`t take much notice of this link. The article says "could" not "will". And "instructed by the government" not "made illegal to leave your home".Andy_JS said:
I hope age isn't the only determinant. Some 70 year olds are in better health than 55 year olds.williamglenn said:
My dad would be furious if they legally enforced this. He`d rather risk catching the virus.
This is Britain. There would be serious tutting. That should send them zimmer-framing it back home to their Reader's Digest Tricky Sudoku Vol 87.....
So it would be at their own risk.0 -
Diploma in Charm obtained from Trump UniversityIshmaelZ said:
I hope you sued the charm school.HYUFD said:
If you are over 70 you are generally living off your pension, if you choose to add extra income by work at present afraid you are risking death continuing to do soAlastairMeeks said:
A bit rough for those who, like @isam’s mum, are still working. Forcing a choice between income and health coverage would be brutal.another_richard said:
No medical treatment is the obvious sanction.MarqueeMark said:
Question is, what are the sanctions on those who say "sod off?"Stocky said:
I wouldn`t take much notice of this link. The article says "could" not "will". And "instructed by the government" not "made illegal to leave your home".Andy_JS said:
I hope age isn't the only determinant. Some 70 year olds are in better health than 55 year olds.williamglenn said:
My dad would be furious if they legally enforced this. He`d rather risk catching the virus.
This is Britain. There would be serious tutting. That should send them zimmer-framing it back home to their Reader's Digest Tricky Sudoku Vol 87.....
So it would be at their own risk. 0 -
They may have to make exceptions to the 70 rule if they want doctors to come out of retirement to help out.2
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What about private practitioners?Benpointer said:
This caught my eye: "What keeps ministers and officials awake at night is the fear that if the epidemic becomes too great they would have to make appalling decisions, such as that the NHS would stop treating people over a certain age, such as 65."Stark_Dawning said:
I see Dom's name is mentioned. Is this serious or is he just trying to get in on the act?williamglenn said:
Happy with that fellow PBers?
Will they be nationalised or will the wealthy be allowed to buy their way out of their predicament?0 -
Privately listed, purchase price calculated on a 12-month rolling basis so still fairly lucrative as they were based on our 2019 performance which was grand.Benpointer said:
Are those shares still worth anything?Alistair said:Have to say working in Flight Meta Search leaves me feeling pretty precariously employed even as I cash in some of my share options (purchase price fixed at the start of Jan).
We also have deep cash reserves but there is only so long they can last obviously. Our revenue has plunged to 2017 levels (and dropping) but our headcount has not.
I feel people still have no grasp on hoe long this is going to take and once they do our revenue is really, really going to be obliterated.0 -
This thread has jumped the shark!!matthiasfromhamburg said:
What about private practitioners?Benpointer said:
This caught my eye: "What keeps ministers and officials awake at night is the fear that if the epidemic becomes too great they would have to make appalling decisions, such as that the NHS would stop treating people over a certain age, such as 65."Stark_Dawning said:
I see Dom's name is mentioned. Is this serious or is he just trying to get in on the act?williamglenn said:
Happy with that fellow PBers?
Will they be nationalised or will the wealthy be allowed to buy their way out of their predicament?0 -
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The sanctions would be that if they catch the virus they are unlikely to get treatment because of the triage. So they will have a high chance of dying.noneoftheabove said:
Id suggest initially just warning people out and about. See how that goes for the first week or two. If we have 90%+ compliance dont bother with penalties at all. If its 50% or less thats the time to think about sanctions.MarqueeMark said:
Question is, what are the sanctions on those who say "sod off?"Stocky said:
I wouldn`t take much notice of this link. The article says "could" not "will". And "instructed by the government" not "made illegal to leave your home".Andy_JS said:
I hope age isn't the only determinant. Some 70 year olds are in better health than 55 year olds.williamglenn said:
My dad would be furious if they legally enforced this. He`d rather risk catching the virus.
This is Britain. There would be serious tutting. That should send them zimmer-framing it back home to their Reader's Digest Tricky Sudoku Vol 87.....
Should be a decent nudge.0 -
Yes. Not the way I would have chosen to achieve a more balanced economy, but still...another_richard said:
I suspect countries will want to have more self-sufficiency for security reasons which will put a dampener on international trade.Charles said:
Yes. Globalisation is done.RobD said:
While I am not arguing there won't be disruption, but a different era? Was the Spanish flu as transformative?Benpointer said:
Yes. Seismic shift.SouthamObserver said:This is going to change everything, isn’t it?
Pre-Corona v. Post-Corona will be different eras.
There will also be an economic cost to this which in turn will mean less money for foreign holidays and imported consumer tat.0 -
I would they would use the phrase "reported cases".Benpointer said:Interesting corona graphic:
https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1238538542198001664?s=201 -
In the context of keeping older people away from nasty bugs, recalling them into frontline healthcare settings is a policy that doesn't really make a lot of sense, unless I'm missing something?Andy_JS said:They may have to make exceptions to the 70 rule if they want doctors to come out of retirement to help out.
All I can think at the moment is: some retirees are younger; some work might be found that doesn't involve patient contact e.g. manning a telemedicine line?0 -
I have some memory of the 1968 outbreak but recall little sense of the panic currently being experienced.Richard_Tyndall said:
Difficult to tell because it came at the end of WW1. So certainly there was a massive cultural change over that period but it is difficult to know whether it could be ascribed to the flu or the war.RobD said:
While I am not arguing there won't be disruption, but a different era? Was the Spanish flu as transformative?Benpointer said:
Yes. Seismic shift.SouthamObserver said:This is going to change everything, isn’t it?
Pre-Corona v. Post-Corona will be different eras.
Mind you, we lost 80,000 in Britain to Hing Kong flu over a few months in 1968 and I don't think there was any real social change ascribed to that outbreak.0 -
Yeah, or treating non-coronavirus patients (there will still be those...)MyBurningEars said:
In the context of keeping older people away from nasty bugs, recalling them into frontline healthcare settings is a policy that doesn't really make a lot of sense, unless I'm missing something?Andy_JS said:They may have to make exceptions to the 70 rule if they want doctors to come out of retirement to help out.
All I can think at the moment is: some retirees are younger; some work might be found that doesn't involve patient contact e.g. manning a telemedicine line?0 -
My folks are both over 70 and taking this entirely unseriously.
They basically think it's lefties/the younger generation being snowflakes and reacting to it is a bit wet.
I've tried to tell them in no uncertain terms it's the real deal but they aren't changing their plans, other than stopping going to the gym.0 -
"The flights are going out across Europe":
https://www.flightglobal.com/strategy/norway-to-temporarily-shut-its-airports/137272.article
https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/jet2-suspends-services-to-spanish-market/137269.article
https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/air-baltic-to-suspend-flights-until-14-april-as-latvia-tightens-restrictions/137274.article
https://www.flightglobal.com/networks/milan-airport-operator-to-focus-traffic-on-malpensa-as-it-closes-linate/137273.article0 -
Is that exactly what's happened?maaarsh said:
You really want to start that again in the same week the good Europeans in Berlin have banned medical exports to Italy?williamglenn said:
Which totally destroys the main liberal Leaver argument for Brexit.Charles said:
Yes. Globalisation is done.RobD said:
While I am not arguing there won't be disruption, but a different era? Was the Spanish flu as transformative?Benpointer said:
Yes. Seismic shift.SouthamObserver said:This is going to change everything, isn’t it?
Pre-Corona v. Post-Corona will be different eras.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-eu/eu-fails-to-persuade-france-germany-to-lift-coronavirus-health-gear-controls-idUSKBN20T1660 -
I believe the general plan was always to stick the oldie doctors away from the frontline keeping other things running, while everybody else firefights. I think the medical students are the ones they want to throw in there onto the front line.MyBurningEars said:
In the context of keeping older people away from nasty bugs, recalling them into frontline healthcare settings is a policy that doesn't really make a lot of sense, unless I'm missing something?Andy_JS said:They may have to make exceptions to the 70 rule if they want doctors to come out of retirement to help out.
All I can think at the moment is: some retirees are younger; some work might be found that doesn't involve patient contact e.g. manning a telemedicine line?0 -
Even only cutting out the gym is probably a huge reduction in risk for them.Casino_Royale said:My folks are both over 70 and taking this entirely unseriously.
They basically think it's lefties/the younger generation being snowflakes and reacting to it is a bit wet.
I've tried to tell them in no uncertain terms it's the real deal but they aren't changing their plans, other than stopping going to the gym.0 -
Start scaring them. Seriously.Casino_Royale said:My folks are both over 70 and taking this entirely unseriously.
They basically think it's lefties/the younger generation being snowflakes and reacting to it is a bit wet.
I've tried to tell them in no uncertain terms it's the real deal but they aren't changing their plans, other than stopping going to the gym.0 -
Nobody under the age of 80 has lived through anything like what is about to happen.matthiasfromhamburg said:
What about private practitioners?Benpointer said:
This caught my eye: "What keeps ministers and officials awake at night is the fear that if the epidemic becomes too great they would have to make appalling decisions, such as that the NHS would stop treating people over a certain age, such as 65."Stark_Dawning said:
I see Dom's name is mentioned. Is this serious or is he just trying to get in on the act?williamglenn said:
Happy with that fellow PBers?
Will they be nationalised or will the wealthy be allowed to buy their way out of their predicament?
We are to be tested in a way most people alive have no experience of or even imagined will happen.0 -
Have you tried showing them footage from China or Italy ?Casino_Royale said:My folks are both over 70 and taking this entirely unseriously.
They basically think it's lefties/the younger generation being snowflakes and reacting to it is a bit wet.
I've tried to tell them in no uncertain terms it's the real deal but they aren't changing their plans, other than stopping going to the gym.0 -
I think they would be doing all non-Corona acute stuff.MyBurningEars said:
In the context of keeping older people away from nasty bugs, recalling them into frontline healthcare settings is a policy that doesn't really make a lot of sense, unless I'm missing something?Andy_JS said:They may have to make exceptions to the 70 rule if they want doctors to come out of retirement to help out.
All I can think at the moment is: some retirees are younger; some work might be found that doesn't involve patient contact e.g. manning a telemedicine line?0 -
Or - since the firm must be bankrupt - sign over his shares at nominal valueBenpointer said:
Well, maybe he should dip his hands in his pocket to chip in £2-3bn of that.Scott_xP said:1 -
The Government are going to be rapidly bankrupted if they start doing multi-billion pound bailouts of industry after industry.
They're going to have to choose who to let go to the wall.0 -
Agreed.Charles said:
Or - since the firm must be bankrupt - sign over his shares at nominal valueBenpointer said:
Well, maybe he should dip his hands in his pocket to chip in £2-3bn of that.Scott_xP said:0 -
There's quite a few parliamentarians over 70. Are they going to weld shut the doors of the House of Lords?
(Predictive text wanted to say "House of Love")0 -
Private hospitals will be taken over to deal with coronavirus patients based on government plansmatthiasfromhamburg said:
What about private practitioners?Benpointer said:
This caught my eye: "What keeps ministers and officials awake at night is the fear that if the epidemic becomes too great they would have to make appalling decisions, such as that the NHS would stop treating people over a certain age, such as 65."Stark_Dawning said:
I see Dom's name is mentioned. Is this serious or is he just trying to get in on the act?williamglenn said:
Happy with that fellow PBers?
Will they be nationalised or will the wealthy be allowed to buy their way out of their predicament?0 -
Strange to think people born in 1950 are going to be included in this quarantine. That's roughly the same generation as Tony Blair, Harriet Harman and Gordon Brown.0
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I leave that to my fund managers.GideonWise said:
Yes. That was said on here 4 weeks ago and scoffed at. Anyway.Charles said:
Yes. Globalisation is done.RobD said:
While I am not arguing there won't be disruption, but a different era? Was the Spanish flu as transformative?Benpointer said:
Yes. Seismic shift.SouthamObserver said:This is going to change everything, isn’t it?
Pre-Corona v. Post-Corona will be different eras.
Given the brave new world, do you have any investment strategies you want to share with those of us who are good on the health stuff but not so good on the knowing how to make money stuff? Thanks.
I’m more worried about protecting the team at my foundation and at my office0 -
I am still very worried about not enacting this for 3 weeks. It just doesn't seem possible that the bomb won't have gone off by then.0
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Probably won’t find out for sure, but I’m almost certain my sister has it.0
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With so many flights being cancelled - are Extinction Rebellion behind the virus?
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What is it with no wanting to test?
Public Health England has ruled out testing frontline NHS staff for coronavirus unless they are admitted to hospital suffering suspected pneumonia or acute respiratory illness.
Nurses, doctors, paramedics and other frontline staff have been told by NHS officials to self-isolate if they develop any coronavirus symptoms such as a cough or a fever.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8112917/NHS-says-NOT-test-frontline-medics-coronavirus.html0 -
Barnesian said:
People over 70 in strict isolation at home - that's a joke!!algarkirk said:
If the policy in the UK is to allow the virus to spread in order to get herd immunity then surely it makes sense to isolate those most at risk of dying.
The way things are going by April 11 the only you will be getting to France to go skiing is swimming the Channel and walking the rest of the way. With everything countries have on their plates right now granddads travelling to France to go skiing in the thick of it does sound a tad selfish to me.
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Thing is, there are going to be (undiagnosed) people with the virus all through the healthcare system aren't there? Not obvious to me why working anywhere in a healthcare setting (even if you steer clear of intensive care etc) would be safer than a crowded restaurant or similar. Quite the reverse, presumably, although admittedly there would also be more precautions being taken e.g. PPE.FrancisUrquhart said:
I believe the general plan was always to stick the oldie doctors away from the frontline keeping other things running, while everybody else firefights. I think the medical students are the ones they want to throw in there onto the front line.MyBurningEars said:
In the context of keeping older people away from nasty bugs, recalling them into frontline healthcare settings is a policy that doesn't really make a lot of sense, unless I'm missing something?Andy_JS said:They may have to make exceptions to the 70 rule if they want doctors to come out of retirement to help out.
All I can think at the moment is: some retirees are younger; some work might be found that doesn't involve patient contact e.g. manning a telemedicine line?0 -
More accurately - the private healthcare system capacity will be mobilised to work under NHS/government direction. It's been in all the national emergency plans for years...HYUFD said:
Private hospitals will be taken over to deal with coronavirus patients based on government plansmatthiasfromhamburg said:
What about private practitioners?Benpointer said:
This caught my eye: "What keeps ministers and officials awake at night is the fear that if the epidemic becomes too great they would have to make appalling decisions, such as that the NHS would stop treating people over a certain age, such as 65."Stark_Dawning said:
I see Dom's name is mentioned. Is this serious or is he just trying to get in on the act?williamglenn said:
Happy with that fellow PBers?
Will they be nationalised or will the wealthy be allowed to buy their way out of their predicament?2 -
I agree it is risky.MyBurningEars said:
Thing is, there are going to be (undiagnosed) people with the virus all through the healthcare system aren't there? Not obvious to me why working anywhere in a healthcare setting (even if you steer clear of intensive care etc) would be safer than a crowded restaurant or similar. Quite the reverse, presumably, although admittedly there would also be more precautions being taken e.g. PPE.FrancisUrquhart said:
I believe the general plan was always to stick the oldie doctors away from the frontline keeping other things running, while everybody else firefights. I think the medical students are the ones they want to throw in there onto the front line.MyBurningEars said:
In the context of keeping older people away from nasty bugs, recalling them into frontline healthcare settings is a policy that doesn't really make a lot of sense, unless I'm missing something?Andy_JS said:They may have to make exceptions to the 70 rule if they want doctors to come out of retirement to help out.
All I can think at the moment is: some retirees are younger; some work might be found that doesn't involve patient contact e.g. manning a telemedicine line?
It isn't 100% certain they will recall the oldies. They might just stick with throwing in the medical students.0 -
Was there any change to the UC 5 week payment delay for new claimants mentioned in the budget?
Quite soon a lot of of companies are going to start laying people off I suspect.0 -
Hopefully she only gets mild symptoms.tlg86 said:Probably won’t find out for sure, but I’m almost certain my sister has it.
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The Commons brought in some hand sanitizers last week! A revolutionary act. Hurray.SandyRentool said:There's quite a few parliamentarians over 70. Are they going to weld shut the doors of the House of Lords?
(Predictive text wanted to say "House of Love")
This is the same body that has set a framework requiring my wife to complete a lengthy risk assessment just to take her class of 11 year olds to the local museum.
Their stupidity and sheer backwardness is something to behold.0
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