Just remembered: today's Bog Roll Watch. The other Mr Rook was in town this morning, none available anywhere (Tesco Express, Morrisons or Savers.) Also, a notice on the door of Savers to the effect that they've already had to call out the local constabulary twice to break up fights between irate customers, and will not hesitate to do so again.
If the supply of Andrex isn't normalized again by the end of the week I fear that anarchy may ensue. And I say that only half-jokingly.
I wonder if the behavioural insight team successfully modelled it would be bog roll that people went mental over, rather than feeding yourself for 3 months, having drugs to manage flu like symptoms or perhaps not going to locations where you were most likely to catch it.
Based on my experience of the cleared spaces in the big Tesco on Friday night, the hoarders appear to regard the necessities of survival as being, in descending order:
1. Andrex 2. Kleenex 3. Pasta 4. Flour (yes, I don't understand that one either) 5. Canned fish
Admittedly I wasn't going around the whole shop doing a survey, so I don't know for example if all the paracetamol had been cleared out (although it certainly was earlier in the week,) but that was the general pattern.
There was also heavy depletion of baked beans, tinned tomatoes and washing up liquid, but stocks of fresh and frozen food didn't look too threadbare given that this was after the post-work rush on a Friday evening.
dettol wipes are gone everywhere, was reasonable amount of toilet roll in local Sainsbury's but places like aldi etc seem to be getting stripped
Panic buying is a slippery and dubious concept to identify, and generally more favourable to governments and those organising than individuals. What is irrational at one momemt can be immediately rational the next - I think rather the blanket condemnation of it it might be better for governments or supermarkets to focus on the positive - we everyone at some times might have reasons to buy more, but if we operate a more shared and gradual approach supplies are less likely to run out.
In the end there will be wartime style rationing, and things will calm down. Everyone will get their 1-2 rolls per bottom per week.
It's the few weeks of possible chaos/shortage between now and then that need to be bridged. And I mean chaos
What sort of a place is Colney Hatch? Never heard of it.
Isn’t it a service station on the M25?
No, It's a big Tesco on the North Circular. I have actually been to that Tesco many times, as it's not far from East Finchley, where my older daughter lives
The only people panic buying are those who believe in your posts
Hence why it is not widespead
Do you remember that conversation you and I had about a week ago? I predicted that most international air travel would come to an end in about a fortnight.
You loudly scoffed and said "Huh, let's revisit that tweet in two weeks, shall we?"
It has to be said that your prediction some weeks ago, of a world in meltdown seemed to be the work of a successful, but crazed and mischievous fiction writer.
Today it is a reality. You are indeed a visionary soothsayer!
Sigh: Holiday of a life time to USA in 6 weeks looking doubtful, wife's trip to Spain in 2 weeks looking very doubtful and my daughter's university effectively just closed, all in the space of 5 minutes.
Trump's speech made all his previously ones look, well positively presidential. How the hell did he get the job?
My mother and stepfather were meant to be going to Tenerife this month, rescheduled it to late May when this whole thing started to kick off because they were worried about being stuck out there (he's due in hospital in about ten days' time for elective surgery.)
We were discussing this yesterday, along with planning for self-isolation. He might get his op, but I think their holiday's toast. I doubt that any plans of that kind are worth anything until July at the earliest, and then you'll only be travelling if your hotel and/or airline haven't gone bust in the meantime.
The University news was the biggest shock. Suspended as of today (by email to students) for rest of academic year.
Which university is that?
Liverpool
Suspended? Or do they mean all lectures to be done via video and online course material etc etc?
That seems to me to be pretty disruptive. How do science students do practicals?
I'm sure that the idea of "moving classes to online courses" is a nice idea from university admin but has not actually been properly thought through.
Just one example of the many possible problems.
I have done online lecturing for the "Virtual Fahchochschule" as part of my work at a uni in Berlin. We used special software to do this, ... each online coure has it's own virual classroom ... On Thursday morning we got the news that lectures for the summer semester would be starting 20 days later. On Thursday afternoon we got an email from the IT administrator at the Virtual FachHochschule, having clearly had hundreds of emails from lecturers asking if they could teach their course online. He said the VFH currently has licenses for 500 courses, the uni would need licenses for over 5000 courses, and even if the money is there to pay for this, they can't orgainse the set up for so many courses just like that.
If people think "moving to online courses" means everyone logging into Skype, they are very much mistaken.
FutureLearn have got the platform - content, appraisal and community.
Even allowing for the pillockish recent behaviour of Sinn Fein, every time Arlene Foster opens her mouth I have every sympathy with their refusal to work with her.
She’s a stupider version of Leo Varadkar.
A female Boris in some ways , not the chucking it about though.
Even allowing for the pillockish recent behaviour of Sinn Fein, every time Arlene Foster opens her mouth I have every sympathy with their refusal to work with her.
She’s a stupider version of Leo Varadkar.
A female Boris in some ways , not the chucking it about though.
I am reminded of Malcolm Rifkind’s acid comment on Tony Blair:
‘He’s Bill Clinton without the sex...so far as we know.’
That's looks like a Saudi Arabian Airlines plane from the colour scheme, so whatever those passengers are, they're not drunk.
Erm ... they may not have been but I've seen any manner of apparently non-Muslim antics from Arabs abroad.
As it happens the Prophet (pbuh) didn't ban alcohol anyway. In a choice between water, alcohol and milk he singled out milk. He didn't actually ban the alcohol (haram) - that's a later interpretation.
You're far more likely to see a Muslim cave-in for a tipple than eat pork. Truly.
The Prophet forbade intoxication, which includes alcohol.
The point I was making is that Saudi Arabian Airlines does not serve alcohol. And if you were flying from Saudi Arabia, you would not have had a chance to imbibe before the flight.
That's looks like a Saudi Arabian Airlines plane from the colour scheme, so whatever those passengers are, they're not drunk.
Erm ... they may not have been but I've seen any manner of apparently non-Muslim antics from Arabs abroad.
As it happens the Prophet (pbuh) didn't ban alcohol anyway. In a choice between water, alcohol and milk he singled out milk. He didn't actually ban the alcohol (haram) - that's a later interpretation.
You're far more likely to see a Muslim cave-in for a tipple than eat pork. Truly.
CNN says 60% of the raw material for UK toilet paper is imported.
Lol yes along with everything else. On BP, had it checked by a nurse again this morning. Was 128/83 so better news than the 140/90 readings I was getting for my Vitality free health checkup Wednesday evening. Will just have to make sure I don't get stressed if I catch corona
A 56-year-old shopper was mugged for his toilet paper just moments after leaving a store in London as panic about the coronavirus epidemic leads to wide-spread stockpiling.
Dinendra was leaving a Savers store in Harringay, north London, around 3.30pm when someone ran up behind him and snatched one of the two toilet rolls he was carrying.
Even allowing for the pillockish recent behaviour of Sinn Fein, every time Arlene Foster opens her mouth I have every sympathy with their refusal to work with her.
She’s a stupider version of Leo Varadkar.
A female Boris in some ways , not the chucking it about though.
I am reminded of Malcolm Rifkind’s acid comment on Tony Blair:
‘He’s Bill Clinton without the sex...so far as we know.’
Caught straying by Hillary or Cherie........hmmm
Edgy, but more likely to get away with it with Hillary. Slightly!
Panic buying is a slippery and dubious concept to identify, and generally more favourable to governments and those organising than individuals. What is irrational at one momemt can be immediately rational the next - I think rather the blanket condemnation of it it might be better for governments or supermarkets to focus on the positive - we everyone at some times might have reasons to buy more, but if we operate a more shared and gradual approach supplies are less likely to run out.
In the end there will be wartime style rationing, and things will calm down. Everyone will get their 1-2 rolls per bottom per week.
It's the few weeks of possible chaos/shortage between now and then that need to be bridged. And I mean chaos
You may well be right. This thing's now about getting ahead of the curve: if you spend too much time feeling guilty about what other people won't be getting because you've got it, you just end up becoming other people yourself. Once the panic buying gets past a certain critical mass, the first wave of them stop looking silly and start looking prescient - and, until the retailers and the Government itself take proper action to restore order, it's very much a case of every household for itself.
I have to be a bit choosy about what I stockpile because we've not got the space in the flat, but if we had a spare room I'd be filling it with at least two months' worth of long shelf life supplies.
Oh, and if everyone thinks it's bad now, wait until the order goes out for every vulnerable sick person and everyone over 70 to go into quarantine at once. It'll be like those scenes when Black Friday first arrived in Britain, or possibly even the 2011 London riots. Fisticuffs are inevitable; outright civil disorder and looting is a distinct possibility.
Yes, I think there will be some disorder, which is one reason I am fairly keen to leave London.
BTW I also have a fairly small flat, but I've just accepted that half the living room is going to be full of tinned sardines and M&S penne for a while. Either we will shift it to a bigger place outside London, or we will eat it here. The problem will solve itself in time.
Accepting all this is part of coping, I reckon.
6 months worth of food can fit into just over a cubic meter if you buy smart and pack well. That's with a shopping list including olives and capers not just boring shit.
I can't believe I'm discussing this stuff on pb. A toilet roll will last me several months based on being needed 3-4 times a week and using 5-6 sheets per time.
I do go out of the house. Having lived with people in the past I'm genuinely confused by the amount of toilet roll some people feel the need to use. It's a bit different if you have a cold and use them for tissues of course - that's when I would be going through them.
3-4 times a week?! More like a day for me. Too much roughage perhaps.
A 56-year-old shopper was mugged for his toilet paper just moments after leaving a store in London as panic about the coronavirus epidemic leads to wide-spread stockpiling.
Dinendra was leaving a Savers store in Harringay, north London, around 3.30pm when someone ran up behind him and snatched one of the two toilet rolls he was carrying.
A 56-year-old shopper was mugged for his toilet paper just moments after leaving a store in London as panic about the coronavirus epidemic leads to wide-spread stockpiling.
Dinendra was leaving a Savers store in Harringay, north London, around 3.30pm when someone ran up behind him and snatched one of the two toilet rolls he was carrying.
A 56-year-old shopper was mugged for his toilet paper just moments after leaving a store in London as panic about the coronavirus epidemic leads to wide-spread stockpiling.
Dinendra was leaving a Savers store in Harringay, north London, around 3.30pm when someone ran up behind him and snatched one of the two toilet rolls he was carrying.
Re @eadric’s Albanian cab driver in his late 30’s, who lived in Milan for 18 years and then moved to Britain and took the Knowledge before becoming a black cab driver (estimated to take 2 - 3 years), I’m intrigued.
At what age did he move to Italy? When did he become an Italian citizen? When did he move to Britain and why? How did he earn his living while doing the Knowledge? And how long has he been a taxi driver?
Would be the questions I would have asked him had I been sat in the back of his cab.
Why the hell would I interrogate him aggressively, like that, when we were having a friendly if gloomy chat?? He was a nice guy. Smart and personable. I'm not going to put a shank to his throat and demand the truth.
You have some odd personal habits.
I am curious and interested in people and his life story sounds genuinely intriguing. And I can assure you that if you are interested in what someone is saying it is very easy to find out information from someone without interrogating them or torturing them, indeed without them even realising what they are revealing
Most people, after all, are very willing to talk about themselves, as we see on here.
As it happens I can quite believe that funerals and cremations are being rushed through with little if any ceremony, from my own knowledge of Italy. It is not something which started with this virus but has certainly been accelerated by it.
Fair enough. I have no wish to argue with anyone on here, indeed I wish we could all be nice to each other. Life is going to be miserable for quite some time. Friendliness with be precious.
I am telling the truth about the cab driver (or at least I am reporting truthrfully what he said). I also believed his stories, or rather - I believed that he believed them, through genuine personal contacts in Italy.
Immediate and funeral-less cremation of bodies is what happened in China.
Given a funeral service was the source of a big outbreak in Spain(?), there are going to be similar mourner-free cremations, with services of remembrance following some months down the line when gatherings are risk-free.
A 56-year-old shopper was mugged for his toilet paper just moments after leaving a store in London as panic about the coronavirus epidemic leads to wide-spread stockpiling.
Dinendra was leaving a Savers store in Harringay, north London, around 3.30pm when someone ran up behind him and snatched one of the two toilet rolls he was carrying.
At this rate there are going to be enormous numbers of companies going bust all over the developed world. Not just little ones like bars, the airlines too. Which will create a massive economic problem as swathes of people find themselves unable to pay for food if they can find any in the shops.
Which government is going to launch a universal basic income first...?
A 56-year-old shopper was mugged for his toilet paper just moments after leaving a store in London as panic about the coronavirus epidemic leads to wide-spread stockpiling.
Dinendra was leaving a Savers store in Harringay, north London, around 3.30pm when someone ran up behind him and snatched one of the two toilet rolls he was carrying.
Does London have a particular problem with toilet roll ?
That tweet earlier was from Barnet.
My guess would be that as all stores run JIT systems, and unexpected demand obviously causes knock on effects throughout the supply chain e.g. Last year with the bad snow, my local store missed 2 days of delivery and it took 2 weeks before full shelves.
The shear population of London is probably making that effect more visible.
CNN says 60% of the raw material for UK toilet paper is imported.
Lol yes along with everything else. On BP, had it checked by a nurse again this morning. Was 128/83 so better news than the 140/90 readings I was getting for my Vitality free health checkup Wednesday evening. Will just have to make sure I don't get stressed if I catch corona
140/90 is not that bad unless it is all the time, no worries even then
I can't believe I'm discussing this stuff on pb. A toilet roll will last me several months based on being needed 3-4 times a week and using 5-6 sheets per time.
I do go out of the house. Having lived with people in the past I'm genuinely confused by the amount of toilet roll some people feel the need to use. It's a bit different if you have a cold and use them for tissues of course - that's when I would be going through them.
3-4 times a week?! More like a day for me. Too much roughage perhaps.
In the week it’s my practice to wait until I get to work for my morning dump. I like to do it on their time with their equipment*. I hadn’t thought of this before, but if we all have to work from home this means my calculations will be off.
*On a similar theme an officer in the Met once advised me to only really get drunk on Thursday nights. It was his practice to be hungover and feel crap on the Queen’s time and use his weekend productively.
A 56-year-old shopper was mugged for his toilet paper just moments after leaving a store in London as panic about the coronavirus epidemic leads to wide-spread stockpiling.
Dinendra was leaving a Savers store in Harringay, north London, around 3.30pm when someone ran up behind him and snatched one of the two toilet rolls he was carrying.
I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.
Panic buying is a slippery and dubious concept to identify, and generally more favourable to governments and those organising than individuals. What is irrational at one momemt can be immediately rational the next - I think rather the blanket condemnation of it it might be better for governments or supermarkets to focus on the positive - we everyone at some times might have reasons to buy more, but if we operate a more shared and gradual approach supplies are less likely to run out.
In the end there will be wartime style rationing, and things will calm down. Everyone will get their 1-2 rolls per bottom per week.
It's the few weeks of possible chaos/shortage between now and then that need to be bridged. And I mean chaos
You may well be right. This thing's now about getting ahead of the curve: if you spend too much time feeling guilty about what other people won't be getting because you've got it, you just end up becoming other people yourself. Once the panic buying gets past a certain critical mass, the first wave of them stop looking silly and start looking prescient - and, until the retailers and the Government itself take proper action to restore order, it's very much a case of every household for itself.
I have to be a bit choosy about what I stockpile because we've not got the space in the flat, but if we had a spare room I'd be filling it with at least two months' worth of long shelf life supplies.
Oh, and if everyone thinks it's bad now, wait until the order goes out for every vulnerable sick person and everyone over 70 to go into quarantine at once. It'll be like those scenes when Black Friday first arrived in Britain, or possibly even the 2011 London riots. Fisticuffs are inevitable; outright civil disorder and looting is a distinct possibility.
Yes, I think there will be some disorder, which is one reason I am fairly keen to leave London.
BTW I also have a fairly small flat, but I've just accepted that half the living room is going to be full of tinned sardines and M&S penne for a while. Either we will shift it to a bigger place outside London, or we will eat it here. The problem will solve itself in time.
Accepting all this is part of coping, I reckon.
6 months worth of food can fit into just over a cubic meter if you buy smart and pack well. That's with a shopping list including olives and capers not just boring shit.
At this rate there are going to be enormous numbers of companies going bust all over the developed world. Not just little ones like bars, the airlines too. Which will create a massive economic problem as swathes of people find themselves unable to pay for food if they can find any in the shops.
Which government is going to launch a universal basic income first...?
The economic damage is huge and I expect those who think the measures taken so far will only last a few weeks are in for a mighty shock
I cannot see this easing before the children go back - for the autumn term
I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?
I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.
France has reported a total of 4,499 confirmed coronavirus cases – up from 3,661 on Friday, according to official figures.
From comparing the figures, one would have to consider that cultural norms on closeness and touching, and maybe also others too, might be playing a part. Looking at the outcomes as a proportion of the cases, Spain and Italy seem to be suffering particularly badly from the disease so far, Britain, Germany and Scandinavia - again, so far - apparently not as badly, and France apparently in the middle.
These are all obviously only early indications, though, which might all change.
Has the UK blocked travel from any other countries?
Nope. Having Taken Back Control of our borders we aren't prisoners like all those EU cou tries unable to shut their borders cos freedom of moment. Whilst those countries obey the EU dictat and close their borders which they definitely can't do, we in Free Britain let anyone waltz in through our newly controlled borders with zero checks of any kind.
I can't believe I'm discussing this stuff on pb. A toilet roll will last me several months based on being needed 3-4 times a week and using 5-6 sheets per time.
I do go out of the house. Having lived with people in the past I'm genuinely confused by the amount of toilet roll some people feel the need to use. It's a bit different if you have a cold and use them for tissues of course - that's when I would be going through them.
3-4 times a week?! More like a day for me. Too much roughage perhaps.
In the week it’s my practice to wait until I get to work for my morning dump. I like to do it on their time with their equipment*. I hadn’t thought of this before, but if we all have to work from home this means my calculations will be off.
*On a similar theme an officer in the Met once advised me to only really get drunk on Thursday nights. It was his practice to be hungover and feel crap on the Queen’s time and use his weekend productively.
Yes there’s nothing more gratifying than being paid for an exceedingly restorative movement.
I am sorry that this esteemed, refined, high-brow board full of sophisticates has, thanks to the febrile times we are experiencing now, descended to the level of conversation in which I truly feel at home.
I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.
I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.
I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.
Well tell me what it is then or are you still at the ‘let’s infect 60%’ and hope for the best stage?
At this rate there are going to be enormous numbers of companies going bust all over the developed world. Not just little ones like bars, the airlines too. Which will create a massive economic problem as swathes of people find themselves unable to pay for food if they can find any in the shops.
Which government is going to launch a universal basic income first...?
The economic damage is huge and I expect those who think the measures taken so far will only last a few weeks are in for a mighty shock
I cannot see this easing before the children go back - for the autumn term
Yep, spot on Big_G. The health impact of this is very serious of course but the economic and cultural impact will dwarf that.
This is potentially a seismic moment for the modern world.
I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.
I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.
I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.
Well tell me what it is then or are you still at the ‘let’s infect 60%’ and hope for the best stage?
Tell you what what is? I'm of the view that the government are listening to their scientific advisors.
I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.
I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.
I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.
Well tell me what it is then or are you still at the ‘let’s infect 60%’ and hope for the best stage?
I understand the concern but how do you suggest the eventual infection of c. 60% can be avoided?
At this rate there are going to be enormous numbers of companies going bust all over the developed world. Not just little ones like bars, the airlines too. Which will create a massive economic problem as swathes of people find themselves unable to pay for food if they can find any in the shops.
Which government is going to launch a universal basic income first...?
The economic damage is huge and I expect those who think the measures taken so far will only last a few weeks are in for a mighty shock
I cannot see this easing before the children go back - for the autumn term
Yep, spot on Big_G. The health impact of this is very serious of course but the economic and cultural impact will dwarf that.
This is potentially a seismic moment for the modern world.
At this rate there are going to be enormous numbers of companies going bust all over the developed world. Not just little ones like bars, the airlines too. Which will create a massive economic problem as swathes of people find themselves unable to pay for food if they can find any in the shops.
Which government is going to launch a universal basic income first...?
The economic damage is huge and I expect those who think the measures taken so far will only last a few weeks are in for a mighty shock
I cannot see this easing before the children go back - for the autumn term
Yep, spot on Big_G. The health impact of this is very serious of course but the economic and cultural impact will dwarf that.
This is potentially a seismic moment for the modern world.
France has reported a total of 4,499 confirmed coronavirus cases – up from 3,661 on Friday, according to official figures.
From comparing the figures, one would have to consider that cultural norms on closeness and touching, and maybe also others too, might be playing a part. Looking at the outcomes as a proportion of the cases, Spain and Italy seem to be suffering particularly badly from the disease so far, Britain, Germany and Scandinavia - again, so far - apparently not as badly, and France apparently in the middle.
These are all obviously only early indications, though, which might all change.
One of the reasons cited by the PM for the new measures is that people hadn't followed the latest advice strongly enough, too many people out in cafés etc. Basically French people aren't taking it seriously enough.
Madness that they are keeping local election tomorrow, especially as round 2 will be in 2 weeks.
France just announcing all bars restaurants etc closed from midnight tonight.
Similar in Berlin. Bars but not restaurants. Was due to start on Wednesday, but the ban was today brought forward to today.
Let’s be clear on one thing. No one is closing down our boozers. Stop them serving food? Ok, if you leave the pork scratchings and crisps. Stop us drinking there? No way.
I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.
During the COBRA meeting, Boris uses his origami skills to fold one of those decision makers, then takes random instructions from that....
A 56-year-old shopper was mugged for his toilet paper just moments after leaving a store in London as panic about the coronavirus epidemic leads to wide-spread stockpiling.
Dinendra was leaving a Savers store in Harringay, north London, around 3.30pm when someone ran up behind him and snatched one of the two toilet rolls he was carrying.
Does London have a particular problem with toilet roll ?
That tweet earlier was from Barnet.
My guess would be that as all stores run JIT systems, and unexpected demand obviously causes knock on effects throughout the supply chain e.g. Last year with the bad snow, my local store missed 2 days of delivery and it took 2 weeks before full shelves.
The shear population of London is probably making that effect more visible.
It's sad that our Tesco in West Wales has empty shelves at the toilet roll section, yet our local Londis nearby has plenty of them. Cheaper too, own brand though.
France just announcing all bars restaurants etc closed from midnight tonight.
Similar in Berlin. Bars but not restaurants. Was due to start on Wednesday, but the ban was today brought forward to today.
Let’s be clear on one thing. No one is closing down our boozers. Stop them serving food? Ok, if you leave the pork scratchings and crisps. Stop us drinking there? No way.
Tabacs will remain open in France, considered an essential service for all the smokers!
I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.
During the COBRA meeting, Boris uses his origami skills to fold one of those decision makers, then takes random instructions from that....
A 56-year-old shopper was mugged for his toilet paper just moments after leaving a store in London as panic about the coronavirus epidemic leads to wide-spread stockpiling.
Dinendra was leaving a Savers store in Harringay, north London, around 3.30pm when someone ran up behind him and snatched one of the two toilet rolls he was carrying.
Does London have a particular problem with toilet roll ?
That tweet earlier was from Barnet.
My guess would be that as all stores run JIT systems, and unexpected demand obviously causes knock on effects throughout the supply chain e.g. Last year with the bad snow, my local store missed 2 days of delivery and it took 2 weeks before full shelves.
The shear population of London is probably making that effect more visible.
It's sad that our Tesco in West Wales has empty shelves at the toilet roll section, yet our local Londis nearby has plenty of them. Cheaper too, own brand though.
Still, plenty of copies of the Daily Mail to use as bottom paper. It's all it's good for anyway.
I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.
During the COBRA meeting, Boris uses his origami skills to fold one of those decision makers, then takes random instructions from that....
I heard he was using a magic eight ball.
I know he’s bald, but that’s no way to refer to the CMO.
I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.
I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.
I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.
Well tell me what it is then or are you still at the ‘let’s infect 60%’ and hope for the best stage?
I understand the concern but how do you suggest the eventual infection of c. 60% can be avoided?
It can’t be avoided, just ensure you have upped your icu capacity by 30/40% have stock piled enough PPE and are utilizing every possible medical resource you have. I’m sure the uk government have already organized this extra capacity And is locked and loaded for what’s coming.
I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.
I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.
I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.
Well tell me what it is then or are you still at the ‘let’s infect 60%’ and hope for the best stage?
I understand the concern but how do you suggest the eventual infection of c. 60% can be avoided?
It can’t be avoided, just ensure you have upped your icu capacity by 30/40% have stock piled enough PPE and are utilizing every possible medical resource you have. I’m sure the uk government have already organized this extra capacity And is locked and loaded for what’s coming.
Again, you haven’t been listening to the CMO have you? What we’re doing is pretty clear, involves some risks, but is all about avoiding catastrophe next winter as much as right now. I’m not qualified to take a view but I have confidence in those who are planning this.
'UK at the beginning of exponential phase,' says expert Following the news that the UK's case total has now risen to 1,140, Dr Stephen Griffin, Associate Professor, Leeds Institute of Medical Research, University of Leeds, said:
"The upsurge in daily cases this week could indicate that we're at the beginning of the exponential phase of the UK epidemic.
"Unfortunately, I suspect we can expect to see further daily increases in both diagnostics and mortality over the coming weeks.
"We must ensure that the most vulnerable in our society are protected as much as possible as this unfolds. Elderly, immunosuppressed and/or people living with chronic health conditions are most at risk from SARS COV2 infections.
"Moreover, they are also potentially less able to cope with any period of self isolation or lockdown etc.
"The empty shelves I've witnessed in my local supermarket this afternoon signify an entirely unhelpful, selfish movement towards panic buying that can only adversely affect those most in need amongst the UK population."
Went to the local Co-Op earlier (near Swansea), they must have been restocked recently because they actually had toilet paper and a little bit of dried pasta. Plenty of Baken Beans and Canned Tomatoes. No own brand Paracetamol but plenty of the branded stuff. Everything else that I could see was normal.
I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.
I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.
I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.
Well tell me what it is then or are you still at the ‘let’s infect 60%’ and hope for the best stage?
I understand the concern but how do you suggest the eventual infection of c. 60% can be avoided?
It can’t be avoided, just ensure you have upped your icu capacity by 30/40% have stock piled enough PPE and are utilizing every possible medical resource you have. I’m sure the uk government have already organized this extra capacity And is locked and loaded for what’s coming.
Again, you haven’t been listening to the CMO have you? What we’re doing is pretty clear, involves some risks, but is all about avoiding catastrophe next winter as much as right now. I’m not qualified to take a view but I have confidence in those who are planning this.
Ok fine believe what you want, I haven’t a view on so called strategy just hope the front line has the resources to handle what’s coming.
Went to the local Co-Op earlier (near Swansea), they must have been restocked recently because they actually had toilet paper and a little bit of dried pasta. Plenty of Baken Beans and Canned Tomatoes. No own brand Paracetamol but plenty of the branded stuff. Everything else that I could see was normal.
The supermarkets I have been to never seem to run out of Brown Rice. The pasta shelves are empty ...
'UK at the beginning of exponential phase,' says expert Following the news that the UK's case total has now risen to 1,140, Dr Stephen Griffin, Associate Professor, Leeds Institute of Medical Research, University of Leeds, said:
"The empty shelves I've witnessed in my local supermarket this afternoon signify an entirely unhelpful, selfish movement towards panic buying that can only adversely affect those most in need amongst the UK population."
More of this simplification again. Some of it will have been precisely for those in most need by the carers and relatives, some for families, and some indeed over its proportion to individuals. Everyone has to consider the reaction of everyone else, and to get everyone to scale down you'll have little success if you start with this unjustified condemnatory tone. He should be telling everyone that he understands that many might have good reasons for buying more, but we all benefit is the buying level is more shared and gradual.
'UK at the beginning of exponential phase,' says expert Following the news that the UK's case total has now risen to 1,140, Dr Stephen Griffin, Associate Professor, Leeds Institute of Medical Research, University of Leeds, said:
"The upsurge in daily cases this week could indicate that we're at the beginning of the exponential phase of the UK epidemic.
"Unfortunately, I suspect we can expect to see further daily increases in both diagnostics and mortality over the coming weeks.
"We must ensure that the most vulnerable in our society are protected as much as possible as this unfolds. Elderly, immunosuppressed and/or people living with chronic health conditions are most at risk from SARS COV2 infections.
"Moreover, they are also potentially less able to cope with any period of self isolation or lockdown etc.
"The empty shelves I've witnessed in my local supermarket this afternoon signify an entirely unhelpful, selfish movement towards panic buying that can only adversely affect those most in need amongst the UK population."
This looks like BS from someone who should know better. We have been in an 'exponential phase' since Feb 27th at least. The increase has been a straight line against a logarithmic scale since 27th Feb.
Panic buying is a slippery and dubious concept to identify, and generally more favourable to governments and those organising than individuals. What is irrational at one momemt can be immediately rational the next - I think rather the blanket condemnation of it it might be better for governments or supermarkets to focus on the positive - we everyone at some times might have reasons to buy more, but if we operate a more shared and gradual approach supplies are less likely to run out.
In the end there will be wartime style rationing, and things will calm down. Everyone will get their 1-2 rolls per bottom per week.
It's the few weeks of possible chaos/shortage between now and then that need to be bridged. And I mean chaos
You may well be right. This thing's now about getting ahead of the curve: if you spend too much time feeling guilty about what other people won't be getting because you've got it, you just end up becoming other people yourself. Once the panic buying gets past a certain critical mass, the first wave of them stop looking silly and start looking prescient - and, until the retailers and the Government itself take proper action to restore order, it's very much a case of every household for itself.
I have to be a bit choosy about what I stockpile because we've not got the space in the flat, but if we had a spare room I'd be filling it with at least two months' worth of long shelf life supplies.
Oh, and if everyone thinks it's bad now, wait until the order goes out for every vulnerable sick person and everyone over 70 to go into quarantine at once. It'll be like those scenes when Black Friday first arrived in Britain, or possibly even the 2011 London riots. Fisticuffs are inevitable; outright civil disorder and looting is a distinct possibility.
Yes, I think there will be some disorder, which is one reason I am fairly keen to leave London.
BTW I also have a fairly small flat, but I've just accepted that half the living room is going to be full of tinned sardines and M&S penne for a while. Either we will shift it to a bigger place outside London, or we will eat it here. The problem will solve itself in time.
Accepting all this is part of coping, I reckon.
6 months worth of food can fit into just over a cubic meter if you buy smart and pack well. That's with a shopping list including olives and capers not just boring shit.
You should publish the how-to guide on this, it's probably worth money. Might even be worth seeing if you could sell it freelance to one of the more armageddon-led newspapers...
Half of all people (300) in intensive care in France are under 60 years old just announced. Medical experts pointing out that while the death rate is heavily skewed towards the elderly the same picture hasn't applied to developing strong symptoms.
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Flour makes bread!
Today it is a reality. You are indeed a visionary soothsayer!
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Will just have to make sure I don't get stressed if I catch corona
A 56-year-old shopper was mugged for his toilet paper just moments after leaving a store in London as panic about the coronavirus epidemic leads to wide-spread stockpiling.
Dinendra was leaving a Savers store in Harringay, north London, around 3.30pm when someone ran up behind him and snatched one of the two toilet rolls he was carrying.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8112481/London-shopper-mugged-toilet-paper-broad-daylight.html
Edgy, but more likely to get away with it with Hillary. Slightly!
That tweet earlier was from Barnet.
Which government is going to launch a universal basic income first...?
The shear population of London is probably making that effect more visible.
*On a similar theme an officer in the Met once advised me to only really get drunk on Thursday nights. It was his practice to be hungover and feel crap on the Queen’s time and use his weekend productively.
Cue general hilarity...
I cannot see this easing before the children go back - for the autumn term
These are all obviously only early indications, though, which might all change.
Because sovereign obvs...
I am sorry that this esteemed, refined, high-brow board full of sophisticates has, thanks to the febrile times we are experiencing now, descended to the level of conversation in which I truly feel at home.
This is potentially a seismic moment for the modern world.
Madness that they are keeping local election tomorrow, especially as round 2 will be in 2 weeks.
Mr. Leave, that does remind me of the myth I heard that throughout all British history no army has ever run out of booze.
Edited extra bit: during one fire in the 17th century locals heroically worked to save their pub. Their homes, on the other hand...
Following the news that the UK's case total has now risen to 1,140, Dr Stephen Griffin, Associate Professor, Leeds Institute of Medical Research, University of Leeds, said:
"The upsurge in daily cases this week could indicate that we're at the beginning of the exponential phase of the UK epidemic.
"Unfortunately, I suspect we can expect to see further daily increases in both diagnostics and mortality over the coming weeks.
"We must ensure that the most vulnerable in our society are protected as much as possible as this unfolds. Elderly, immunosuppressed and/or people living with chronic health conditions are most at risk from SARS COV2 infections.
"Moreover, they are also potentially less able to cope with any period of self isolation or lockdown etc.
"The empty shelves I've witnessed in my local supermarket this afternoon signify an entirely unhelpful, selfish movement towards panic buying that can only adversely affect those most in need amongst the UK population."
Otherwise there would be an ensuing joke about toilet paper that would practically write itself.