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They absolutely don't deserve a majority. I have never known a faction more entitled with so little justification. There is plenty more of that entitlement on here.tyson said:The Tories have inflicted three years of Brexit twattery on us...plunging the country into a nihilistic, populist nightmare.
Please, can someone tell me why they deserve a majority tomorrow.? And the answer cannot mention Corbyn. Thanks1 -
For a Labour coalition to form it needs to be a tie in the national vote.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/liz_franczak/status/1204888510160719877
Yeah not so good
Pretty much what Corbyn's MRP is probably saying.0 -
I typed 'Graham's Number' into Microsoft's search engine and it came up with 020 8848 6700, the phone number of a plumber's merchant in Hayes.Fysics_Teacher said:On the subject of massively ranges for predictions:
In mathematics there is a famous number called Graham’s Number after its discover. The number itself is one of the class of stupidly big numbers that are too big to ever calculate; indeed early on in the recipe for finding the number you are dealing with numbers which are literally too big to fit in the universe. This means that if you could write each digit in the smallest volume known to science there would not be enough room in the visible universe to write it down.
The best bit about this number is that is was not actually the answer to the problem Graham was trying to solve, only the upper bound. The lower bound was... 3.
Predictions which range from a hung parliament to a Tory majority in three figures are pretty mild by comparison.
I must remember to stick with Google next time.2 -
Still serene.
I haven't seen any change in the attitude towards Corbyn since this campaign started. He started off as corrosive as alien organic acid. Still the same response today. "We have to stop Corbyn." Multiple times.1 -
kids.GarethoftheVale2 said:
What's a wean?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Apparently Paul Sweeney is on LBC, going a bit 'she's turned the weans against us'. Very bitter and shouty.
Just a note for SLab rampers...
#GlasgowNorthEastSNPGain0 -
Can you please explain what Corbyn's MRP is saying? Who will be providing it?speedy2 said:
For a Labour coalition to form it needs to be a tie in the national vote.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/liz_franczak/status/1204888510160719877
Yeah not so good
Pretty much what Corbyn's MRP is probably saying.0 -
Weren't you completely despondent, Tories have blown it only 2 days ago!Byronic said:
Of course it is, The Tories are heading for victory. Their biggest enemy now is complacent voters. They need to emphasise how close it is.noisywinter said:
Again, maybe a teensy bit selective leaking/b*llocks to get the vote out?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/liz_franczak/status/1204888510160719877
Yeah not so good
Likewise Labour are headed for defeat. Their biggest enemy now is despondent voters. They need to emphasise how close it is.0 -
Yes Brexit made Labour a racist cess pit ......tyson said:
You know...today our administrator just blurted out racist stuff as if it was normal...fucking Tories...you've opened up the box with your Brexit shitshow and you've made this country a worse place. Well fucking doneGallowgate said:
Something something get Brexit donetyson said:The Tories have inflicted three years of Brexit twattery on us...plunging the country into a nihilistic, populist nightmare.
Please, can someone tell me why they deserve a majority tomorrow.? And the answer cannot mention Corbyn. Thanks0 -
Comrade...I lost faith with your knobbly elbow in 2015 when you gave Ed a lead..Sunil_Prasannan said:OK, I've got 12 polls with fieldwork end-dates between Sunday and tonight - average lead 9.1% (Sunday's ELBOW was 10.1).
Con 42.9
Lab 33.8
LD 12.2
I don't doubt for one minute though that you are a clever fellow
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No Herdson type Con collapse during your canvassing session then?MarqueeMark said:Still serene.
I haven't seen any change in the attitude towards Corbyn since this campaign started. He started off as corrosive as alien organic acid. Still the same response today. "We have to stop Corbyn." Multiple times.
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Brexit has made the Labour Party a nasty place to be...yes, absolutelyFloater said:
Yes Brexit made Labour a racist cess pit ......tyson said:
You know...today our administrator just blurted out racist stuff as if it was normal...fucking Tories...you've opened up the box with your Brexit shitshow and you've made this country a worse place. Well fucking doneGallowgate said:
Something something get Brexit donetyson said:The Tories have inflicted three years of Brexit twattery on us...plunging the country into a nihilistic, populist nightmare.
Please, can someone tell me why they deserve a majority tomorrow.? And the answer cannot mention Corbyn. Thanks
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Yes I was. I have gotten a grip.GarethoftheVale2 said:
Weren't you completely despondent, Tories have blown it only 2 days ago!Byronic said:
Of course it is, The Tories are heading for victory. Their biggest enemy now is complacent voters. They need to emphasise how close it is.noisywinter said:
Again, maybe a teensy bit selective leaking/b*llocks to get the vote out?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/liz_franczak/status/1204888510160719877
Yeah not so good
Likewise Labour are headed for defeat. Their biggest enemy now is despondent voters. They need to emphasise how close it is.
Also I genuinely think there has been a modest swingback to the Tories, as the prospect of a Corbyn government scared the shit out of everyone0 -
So, basically, what that reminds us is of is the fact that the polls showing big Tory leads were way out.CarlottaVance said:
Shit the bed.0 -
Is Survation one of these stupidly late GMB polls? Can’t stay up til midnight for that! Hoping for a double figures lead please0
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My problem is that I’ve agreed to shave my eyebrows off if someone else other than Boris ends up as Prime Minister...0
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There's some jolly interesting stuff in the Sun.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1204888391076200449
Ah, internal polling is not so good
I was particularly intrigued by "Outrage over Jesus Christ video game that promises 'realistic' Satan fight scenes."0 -
The Labour manifesto if implemented will cause a market panic, capital flight, a brain drain and will ultimately further impoverish the poorest in society.tyson said:The Tories have inflicted three years of Brexit twattery on us...plunging the country into a nihilistic, populist nightmare.
Please, can someone tell me why they deserve a majority tomorrow.? And the answer cannot mention Corbyn. Thanks
There's a case to be made that trickle down economics isn't working. But replacing it wholesale with the failed socialist policies of the 70s that made Britain the sick man of Europe is not the way forward. It is a regressive step.0 -
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The messaging has clearly not worked, you should have said 'Get Brexit done, something something'.Gallowgate said:
Something something get Brexit donetyson said:The Tories have inflicted three years of Brexit twattery on us...plunging the country into a nihilistic, populist nightmare.
Please, can someone tell me why they deserve a majority tomorrow.? And the answer cannot mention Corbyn. Thanks
Just for being (maybe) wrong? Most people are wrong more than they are right, it would be exhausting to abuse people for that, and render the job of political pundit impossible.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/horse_staple/status/1204890215439052801
Everyone can see my final prediction.
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Humble-ramping?Byronic said:
Have you ever known a pollster to undersell his/her poll?TheScreamingEagles said:Keiran does a great impression of Kenneth Williams though.
"Hey guys, we have a new poll coming out! It took a lot of work and it shows not much happening so you can ignore it!"0 -
Corbyn strong on Boris bad brexit speaking today in labour leave territory, trying to put doubt in mind of labour folk about trusting a Tory brexit should think,tyson said:
You know...today our administrator just blurted out racist stuff as if it was normal...fucking Tories...you've opened up the box with your Brexit shitshow and you've made this country a worse place. Well fucking doneGallowgate said:
Something something get Brexit donetyson said:The Tories have inflicted three years of Brexit twattery on us...plunging the country into a nihilistic, populist nightmare.
Please, can someone tell me why they deserve a majority tomorrow.? And the answer cannot mention Corbyn. Thanks
“the problem you have Boris, the 2016 mandate did not say how to leave. Remain clear in 2016, remain on Cameron’s deal, leave was a blank check to government to politicians to negotiate any sort of bad deal, bad for the union, bad for workers, bad for consumers, bad for environment, you will then hail this great deal, and aren’t we great too for making it so quickly by accepting the EU's border in the Irish sea proposals May rejected you supported her in rejecting.
you insist this has gone on long enough, get brexit done, and push through this bad deal. But No exercise in Democracy can give politicians a blank check without giving the people a final say, It’s just not well rounded democracy”
"Give the negotiator a blank cheque and the people no final say? to you this is wonderfully democratic? Would you still argue its wonderful and fantastically democratic if I was the negotiator on your behalf?"
“Stop dividing the country. Stop attacking people pointing out the flaws in the 2016 process and need for People’s vote. Freedom of expression is going backwards because of Tory Brexit, and freedom of expression was what put Great in this country in the first place.”0 -
Are listed companies allowed to force their shareholders to give up their shares for bonds?
When companies issue bonds, are they allowed to insist that the markets don't consider them as debt?
If they tried to, would they be done for a massive financial fraud?
Isn't all this exactly what Labour is promising with its insane nationalisation plan? We've not even been told what it'll cost because they claim it's fiscally neutral. The only costing I've heard on it was a mention on bbc radio today; apparently they're planning to spend "over 80 billion " on nationalisations. Presumably that's less than 90 billion. Is that even enough to buy all of our water, energy and Internet companies?
I'm disappointed that this hasn't been highlighted by the media or the Tory campaign.0 -
I apologise to Mr Byronic for what was an intemperate response.1
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Tory majority of 20. Boris loses seat. You lose eyebrows.....Gallowgate said:My problem is that I’ve agreed to shave my eyebrows off if someone else other than Boris ends up as Prime Minister...
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The Daily Mail front page is a classic of the 'pre polling day panic' genre:
https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/12048918234638991360 -
More inpenetrable an image than a goddamn emoji.Mexicanpete said:
That grimace says Tory landslide!TheScreamingEagles said:Keiran you fucking tease
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/12048863202057502720 -
Basically because Corbyn is campaigning in seats that are close using the published MRP's days before they are published, a feat that he did in 2017 too, I assume he has (well Labour or Momentum) a "Crystal Ball" connected straight to an MRP.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Can you please explain what Corbyn's MRP is saying? Who will be providing it?speedy2 said:
For a Labour coalition to form it needs to be a tie in the national vote.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/liz_franczak/status/1204888510160719877
Yeah not so good
Pretty much what Corbyn's MRP is probably saying.
The Conservatives apparently don't have one, because their campaign is scattered and disorganized like last time.
Marxists make better party organizers apparently.
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I suppose it would make sense for them to simply stick with the (very recently published) MRP if you think about it. There's no sign of life from ICM either.MikeL said:Does Anthony Wells tweet imply no final YouGov poll?
Might mean that we've only got Survation left to come tonight.
EDIT: checked ICM website, confirms their poll of 9 December is their final offering of the campaign.0 -
You said you would be as honest as a herdson coming in tonight, so is it still as sunny out there as you reported last five weeks.MarqueeMark said:0 -
Too technical for Joe Voter.TrèsDifficile said:Are listed companies allowed to force their shareholders to give up their shares for bonds?
When companies issue bonds, are they allowed to insist that the markets don't consider them as debt?
If they tried to, would they be done for a massive financial fraud?
Isn't all this exactly what Labour is promising with its insane nationalisation plan? We've not even been told what it'll cost because they claim it's fiscally neutral. The only costing I've heard on it was a mention on bbc radio today; apparently they're planning to spend "over 80 billion " on nationalisations. Presumably that's less than 90 billion. Is that even enough to buy all of our water, energy and Internet companies?
I'm disappointed that this hasn't been highlighted by the media or the Tory campaign.0 -
The Deltapoll marginals has restored calm. I’m sticking with my Con maj 60, and hoping for more.numbertwelve said:
Well the only thing I’m clinging to is that they’re not called ComedyResults for nothing...RobinWiggs said:
Why am I drawn to the 5% poll and worried, yet not calmed by the 5 x 10% and over polls?Black_Rook said:Tonight's polls
Opinium Con 45/Lab 33/LD 12 (Con lead +12)
Qriously 43/30/12 (+13)
NCPolitics 43/33/12 (+10)
BMG 41/32/14 (+9)
Panelbase 43/34/11 (+9)
ComRes 41/36/12 (+5)
Kantar 44/32/13 (+12)
Deltapoll 45/35/10 (+10)
Mean Con lead: 10% exactly
Still waiting for Survation, YouGov and ICM, assuming they're all publishing tonight...? Ipsos MORI expected tomorrow morning I believe.
2017 has a lot to answer for. I was fine until this evening.
I live in marginal Alyn & Deeside. Tallying up the house, Wiggs minor has been persuaded to cast his first ever ballot blue for the team not the leader, whilst the Memsahib is doing likewise having occasionally dallied with the Red Devil. That’s 3 towards a working majority.
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Tories campaign has been piss poor again in this respect. The Get Brexit Done and the Kiwi Shitsters have been an improvement on 2017, but again they have let Corbynonomics just get out there totally unchallenged. New Labour or the Tories with Osborne as #2 never let that happen. They had spread doubt by the end of the day in every new announcement by the opposition.TrèsDifficile said:Are listed companies allowed to force their shareholders to give up their shares for bonds?
When companies issue bonds, are they allowed to insist that the markets don't consider them as debt?
If they tried to, would they be done for a massive financial fraud?
Isn't all this exactly what Labour is promising with its insane nationalisation plan? We've not even been told what it'll cost because they claim it's fiscally neutral. The only costing I've heard on it was a mention on bbc radio today; apparently they're planning to spend "over 80 billion " on nationalisations. Presumably that's less than 90 billion. Is that even enough to buy all of our water, energy and Internet companies?
I'm disappointed that this hasn't been highlighted by the media or the Tory campaign.0 -
Wrong way round. It was Labour choosing Corbyn, and thereby emasculating the Labour Remain campaign, which was one of the key reasons Leave won.tyson said:
Brexit has made the Labour Party a nasty place to be...yes, absolutelyFloater said:
Yes Brexit made Labour a racist cess pit ......tyson said:
You know...today our administrator just blurted out racist stuff as if it was normal...fucking Tories...you've opened up the box with your Brexit shitshow and you've made this country a worse place. Well fucking doneGallowgate said:
Something something get Brexit donetyson said:The Tories have inflicted three years of Brexit twattery on us...plunging the country into a nihilistic, populist nightmare.
Please, can someone tell me why they deserve a majority tomorrow.? And the answer cannot mention Corbyn. Thanks
Even if that weren't the case, Corbyn brought Seumas Milne and the other extremely unpleasant elements in before the referendum. You can't blame anyone other than Labour for Labour descending into a vile cesspit.0 -
CHB we love you here but it's 45 - 32CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/horse_staple/status/1204890215439052801
Everyone can see my final prediction.
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I'm mostly with him up to the demand to stop dividing the country. What the bloody heck are either of them doing other than seeking to divide the country, but with the larger division being on their side? And no, his officiall neutral stance, which I don't think is actually a terrible one, just not very principled or meaningful given his party's overall approach, negate that.egg said:
Corbyn strong on Boris bad brexit speaking today in labour leave territory, trying to put doubt in mind of labour folk about trusting a Tory brexit should think,tyson said:
You know...today our administrator just blurted out racist stuff as if it was normal...fucking Tories...you've opened up the box with your Brexit shitshow and you've made this country a worse place. Well fucking doneGallowgate said:
Something something get Brexit donetyson said:The Tories have inflicted three years of Brexit twattery on us...plunging the country into a nihilistic, populist nightmare.
Please, can someone tell me why they deserve a majority tomorrow.? And the answer cannot mention Corbyn. Thanks
“the problem you have Boris, the 2016 mandate did not say how to leave. Remain clear in 2016, remain on Cameron’s deal, leave was a blank check to government to politicians to negotiate any sort of bad deal, bad for the union, bad for workers, bad for consumers, bad for environment, you will then hail this great deal, and aren’t we great too for making it so quickly by accepting the EU's border in the Irish sea proposals May rejected you supported her in rejecting.
you insist this has gone on long enough, get brexit done, and push through this bad deal. But No exercise in Democracy can give politicians a blank check without giving the people a final say, It’s just not well rounded democracy”
"Give the negotiator a blank cheque and the people no final say? to you this is wonderfully democratic? Would you still argue its wonderful and fantastically democratic if I was the negotiator on your behalf?"
“Stop dividing the country. Stop attacking people pointing out the flaws in the 2016 process and need for People’s vote. Freedom of expression is going backwards because of Tory Brexit, and freedom of expression was what put Great in this country in the first place.”0 -
Strong and stable, get Brexit done?kle4 said:
The messaging has clearly not worked, you should have said 'Get Brexit done, something something'.Gallowgate said:
Something something get Brexit donetyson said:The Tories have inflicted three years of Brexit twattery on us...plunging the country into a nihilistic, populist nightmare.
Please, can someone tell me why they deserve a majority tomorrow.? And the answer cannot mention Corbyn. Thanks
Just for being (maybe) wrong? Most people are wrong more than they are right, it would be exhausting to abuse people for that, and render the job of political pundit impossible.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/horse_staple/status/1204890215439052801
Everyone can see my final prediction.
Please do follow me if you want to abuse me off here0 -
I think I could argue that one on a technicality.MarqueeMark said:
Tory majority of 20. Boris loses seat. You lose eyebrows.....Gallowgate said:My problem is that I’ve agreed to shave my eyebrows off if someone else other than Boris ends up as Prime Minister...
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Anyone know how to get the PB comments to show on an android phone? Can't see these now unless I'm sat at my PC - sub optimal for tomorrow night.
Used to work and then just disappeared a week or two ago?0 -
41% Tory 38% Lab is a 0.5% swing to the Tories. How can that possibly mean a Labour minority government, given it would see the Tories gain 12 Labour seats and at most likely lose only 5 to the SNP on the final Scottish polls?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/horse_staple/status/1204890215439052801
Everyone can see my final prediction.
Please do follow me if you want to abuse me off here
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log in via vanilla - https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/Scrapheap_as_was said:Anyone know how to get the PB comments to show on an android phone? Can't see these now unless I'm sat at my PC - sub optimal for tomorrow night.
Used to work and then just disappeared a week or two ago?1 -
Not saying they wouldn't deserve the label, as I don't know anything about Maureen Lipman despite coming up earlier in the campaign to know if she deserves it, but I do wonder how many national treasures we have?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:The Daily Mail front page is a classic of the 'pre polling day panic' genre:
https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/12048918234638991361 -
I'm hearing rumours of IDS is a goner in Chingford!dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/anthonyjwells/status/1204885669140746242
Nearly all the final opinion polls are published.2 -
Yeah but...KentRising said:
So, basically, what that reminds us is of is the fact that the polls showing big Tory leads were way out.CarlottaVance said:
Shit the bed.
In 2017 the Con-Lab gap was less than expected.
In 2015, it was more than expected.
In 2010, it was less than expected.
Assuming that errors will be be in the same direction as last time is a sure fire way of losing all your money.0 -
He’s not “LogicalHorseBattery”.HYUFD said:
41% Tory 38% Lab is a 0.5% swing to the Tories. How can that possibly mean a Labour minority government, given it would see the Tories gain 12 Labour seats and at most likely lose only 5 to the SNP on the final Scottish polls?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/horse_staple/status/1204890215439052801
Everyone can see my final prediction.
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Am I the only one who doesn't have the Exit Poll?nunu2 said:
I'm hearing rumours of IDS is a goner in Chingford!dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/anthonyjwells/status/1204885669140746242
Nearly all the final opinion polls are published.1 -
I would really really really enjoy that.nunu2 said:
I'm hearing rumours of IDS is a goner in Chingford!dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/anthonyjwells/status/1204885669140746242
Nearly all the final opinion polls are published.1 -
As you wishAndy_JS said:Just noticed that Kieran follows me on Twitter. Pat on the back time. 😊
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZL8kqVILbo0 -
Excellent work, Wiggs Senior. You can come out on my canvass team any time!RobinWiggs said:
The Deltapoll marginals has restored calm. I’m sticking with my Con maj 60, and hoping for more.numbertwelve said:
Well the only thing I’m clinging to is that they’re not called ComedyResults for nothing...RobinWiggs said:
Why am I drawn to the 5% poll and worried, yet not calmed by the 5 x 10% and over polls?Black_Rook said:Tonight's polls
Opinium Con 45/Lab 33/LD 12 (Con lead +12)
Qriously 43/30/12 (+13)
NCPolitics 43/33/12 (+10)
BMG 41/32/14 (+9)
Panelbase 43/34/11 (+9)
ComRes 41/36/12 (+5)
Kantar 44/32/13 (+12)
Deltapoll 45/35/10 (+10)
Mean Con lead: 10% exactly
Still waiting for Survation, YouGov and ICM, assuming they're all publishing tonight...? Ipsos MORI expected tomorrow morning I believe.
2017 has a lot to answer for. I was fine until this evening.
I live in marginal Alyn & Deeside. Tallying up the house, Wiggs minor has been persuaded to cast his first ever ballot blue for the team not the leader, whilst the Memsahib is doing likewise having occasionally dallied with the Red Devil. That’s 3 towards a working majority.0 -
Is "government bonds = official IOUs" too technical to even mention?MarqueeMark said:
Too technical for Joe Voter.TrèsDifficile said:Are listed companies allowed to force their shareholders to give up their shares for bonds?
When companies issue bonds, are they allowed to insist that the markets don't consider them as debt?
If they tried to, would they be done for a massive financial fraud?
Isn't all this exactly what Labour is promising with its insane nationalisation plan? We've not even been told what it'll cost because they claim it's fiscally neutral. The only costing I've heard on it was a mention on bbc radio today; apparently they're planning to spend "over 80 billion " on nationalisations. Presumably that's less than 90 billion. Is that even enough to buy all of our water, energy and Internet companies?
I'm disappointed that this hasn't been highlighted by the media or the Tory campaign.
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Vanilla works for reading and commenting on mobile. I find comments don't work on Firefox or Chrome for mobile any more, but do when using Brave, although it won't let me log in to post.Scrapheap_as_was said:Anyone know how to get the PB comments to show on an android phone? Can't see these now unless I'm sat at my PC - sub optimal for tomorrow night.
Used to work and then just disappeared a week or two ago?
One question I have - does anyone know how to make the text bigger on mobile? I get eye strain pretty bad.
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"Today, you MUST brave the deluge to go to your local polling station and back ..."AramintaMoonbeamQC said:The Daily Mail front page is a classic of the 'pre polling day panic' genre:
https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1204891823463899136
Well, you're hardly likely to stay the night there, are you?2 -
Don't forget the 2015 rumour that LDs were going to win Maidstone and the Weald.1
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Make sure they photograph the ballot paper just to make sure they are not having you on.RobinWiggs said:
The Deltapoll marginals has restored calm. I’m sticking with my Con maj 60, and hoping for more.numbertwelve said:
Well the only thing I’m clinging to is that they’re not called ComedyResults for nothing...RobinWiggs said:
Why am I drawn to the 5% poll and worried, yet not calmed by the 5 x 10% and over polls?Black_Rook said:Tonight's polls
Opinium Con 45/Lab 33/LD 12 (Con lead +12)
Qriously 43/30/12 (+13)
NCPolitics 43/33/12 (+10)
BMG 41/32/14 (+9)
Panelbase 43/34/11 (+9)
ComRes 41/36/12 (+5)
Kantar 44/32/13 (+12)
Deltapoll 45/35/10 (+10)
Mean Con lead: 10% exactly
Still waiting for Survation, YouGov and ICM, assuming they're all publishing tonight...? Ipsos MORI expected tomorrow morning I believe.
2017 has a lot to answer for. I was fine until this evening.
I live in marginal Alyn & Deeside. Tallying up the house, Wiggs minor has been persuaded to cast his first ever ballot blue for the team not the leader, whilst the Memsahib is doing likewise having occasionally dallied with the Red Devil. That’s 3 towards a working majority.0 -
I agree with pretty much everything you have written. In fact I could have written the same thing myself in a polemical moment. But...in this cesspit..there are still quite a few of us hanging on and hoping we can fight back....Richard_Nabavi said:
Wrong way round. It was Labour choosing Corbyn, and thereby emasculating the Labour Remain campaign, which was one of the key reasons Leave won.tyson said:
Brexit has made the Labour Party a nasty place to be...yes, absolutelyFloater said:
Yes Brexit made Labour a racist cess pit ......tyson said:
You know...today our administrator just blurted out racist stuff as if it was normal...fucking Tories...you've opened up the box with your Brexit shitshow and you've made this country a worse place. Well fucking doneGallowgate said:
Something something get Brexit donetyson said:The Tories have inflicted three years of Brexit twattery on us...plunging the country into a nihilistic, populist nightmare.
Please, can someone tell me why they deserve a majority tomorrow.? And the answer cannot mention Corbyn. Thanks
Even if that weren't the case, Corbyn brought Seumas Milne and the other extremely unpleasant elements in before the referendum. You can't blame anyone other than Labour for Labour descending into a vile cesspit.0 -
Point of order: wasn't the lower bound six?Fysics_Teacher said:On the subject of massively ranges for predictions:
In mathematics there is a famous number called Graham’s Number after its discover. The number itself is one of the class of stupidly big numbers that are too big to ever calculate; indeed early on in the recipe for finding the number you are dealing with numbers which are literally too big to fit in the universe. This means that if you could write each digit in the smallest volume known to science there would not be enough room in the visible universe to write it down.
The best bit about this number is that is was not actually the answer to the problem Graham was trying to solve, only the upper bound. The lower bound was... 3.
Predictions which range from a hung parliament to a Tory majority in three figures are pretty mild by comparison.0 -
People haven't voted yet!nunu2 said:
I'm hearing rumours of IDS is a goner in Chingford!dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/anthonyjwells/status/1204885669140746242
Nearly all the final opinion polls are published.1 -
So glad that noted feminist Johnson is around to tell women what it's ok for them to wear.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He actually said it was OK for Muslim women to wear veils (bear in mind that not all Muslim women do so).bigjohnowls said:
PeterPeter_the_Punter said:
No, I don't think he is a racist, and certainly not indisputably so. He is however a liar and a charlatan. He may not be the first such PM in my lifetime of whom that could be said, but he would certainly be the first who was known to be such before he was elected.bigjohnowls said:
Jester has done more to bring about a United Ireland and is an actual racistBanterman said:Interesting how Corbyn's IRA association didn't stick to him in 2017, whereas his antisemitism has this time.
Either way, anyone voting for him should hang their heads in shame.
Anyone voting for him should hang their head in shame!!
Do you know any other non racists who talk about "watermelon smiles" and "Piccaninnies" or that say "Islam is the problem."or compare Muslim women to letter boxes or Bank Robbers?0 -
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😀Richard_Nabavi said:
I typed 'Graham's Number' into Microsoft's search engine and it came up with 020 8848 6700, the phone number of a plumber's merchant in Hayes.Fysics_Teacher said:On the subject of massively ranges for predictions:
In mathematics there is a famous number called Graham’s Number after its discover. The number itself is one of the class of stupidly big numbers that are too big to ever calculate; indeed early on in the recipe for finding the number you are dealing with numbers which are literally too big to fit in the universe. This means that if you could write each digit in the smallest volume known to science there would not be enough room in the visible universe to write it down.
The best bit about this number is that is was not actually the answer to the problem Graham was trying to solve, only the upper bound. The lower bound was... 3.
Predictions which range from a hung parliament to a Tory majority in three figures are pretty mild by comparison.
I must remember to stick with Google next time.0 -
There are no 'rumours' as most of the votes have not yet been cast. What a ridiculous post, the polls show it close but that is a different matternunu2 said:
I'm hearing rumours of IDS is a goner in Chingford!dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/anthonyjwells/status/1204885669140746242
Nearly all the final opinion polls are published.1 -
They haven't?Sunil_Prasannan said:
People haven't voted yet!nunu2 said:
I'm hearing rumours of IDS is a goner in Chingford!dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/anthonyjwells/status/1204885669140746242
Nearly all the final opinion polls are published.
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Ah the mythical all-seeing private polling. Why would it ever be any better than the public polling we see?speedy2 said:
Basically because Corbyn is campaigning in seats that are close using the published MRP's days before they are published, a feat that he did in 2017 too, I assume he has (well Labour or Momentum) a "Crystal Ball" connected straight to an MRP.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Can you please explain what Corbyn's MRP is saying? Who will be providing it?speedy2 said:
For a Labour coalition to form it needs to be a tie in the national vote.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/liz_franczak/status/1204888510160719877
Yeah not so good
Pretty much what Corbyn's MRP is probably saying.
The Conservatives apparently don't have one, because their campaign is scattered and disorganized like last time.
Marxists make better party organizers apparently.0 -
I have a feeling Labour's Remain vote tomorrow is going to prove to be significantly water-soluble...0
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Corbyn's mrp is implying he's fucked.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Can you please explain what Corbyn's MRP is saying? Who will be providing it?speedy2 said:
For a Labour coalition to form it needs to be a tie in the national vote.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/liz_franczak/status/1204888510160719877
Yeah not so good
Pretty much what Corbyn's MRP is probably saying.1 -
For all our sanity lets hope we don't follow that path!TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
That's news to people who have sent in their postal votes.Sunil_Prasannan said:
People haven't voted yet!nunu2 said:
I'm hearing rumours of IDS is a goner in Chingford!dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/anthonyjwells/status/1204885669140746242
Nearly all the final opinion polls are published.0 -
Incidentally, when I was abroad recently, and looking for an objective viewpointkle4 said:
on PB, on leader debates (which I could not watch), it was you who gave the most fair minded account.
So your studied if sometimes frustrating neutrality is very valuable. Keep it up!0 -
Which is fair enough, as I said the other day. I have every respect for those who stay and try to improve things from the inside, but I also respect those who get to the point where they feel they can't in all conscience continue to do so. It's not an easy decision.tyson said:
I agree with pretty much everything you have written. In fact I could have written the same thing myself in a polemical moment. But...in this cesspit..there are still quite a few of us hanging on and hoping we can fight back....Richard_Nabavi said:
Wrong way round. It was Labour choosing Corbyn, and thereby emasculating the Labour Remain campaign, which was one of the key reasons Leave won.tyson said:
Brexit has made the Labour Party a nasty place to be...yes, absolutelyFloater said:
Yes Brexit made Labour a racist cess pit ......tyson said:
You know...today our administrator just blurted out racist stuff as if it was normal...fucking Tories...you've opened up the box with your Brexit shitshow and you've made this country a worse place. Well fucking doneGallowgate said:
Something something get Brexit donetyson said:The Tories have inflicted three years of Brexit twattery on us...plunging the country into a nihilistic, populist nightmare.
Please, can someone tell me why they deserve a majority tomorrow.? And the answer cannot mention Corbyn. Thanks
Even if that weren't the case, Corbyn brought Seumas Milne and the other extremely unpleasant elements in before the referendum. You can't blame anyone other than Labour for Labour descending into a vile cesspit.0 -
Anyone back them would have seen that Labour were going up like a rocket.KentRising said:
So, basically, what that reminds us is of is the fact that the polls showing big Tory leads were way out.CarlottaVance said:
Shit the bed.
If you combined local information with the best PM scores and Consumer Confidence you would have predicted a close result.
This time the best PM scores gives us a Conservative lead somewhere in the high to mid single digits, the local anecdotes are more mixed but still pro-Labour, and consumer confidence is worse.
In all, it feels like it's a very close run thing for a majority, probably a 50/50 situation right now.0 -
Superstar.... Thanks old boyRobD said:
log in via vanilla - https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/Scrapheap_as_was said:Anyone know how to get the PB comments to show on an android phone? Can't see these now unless I'm sat at my PC - sub optimal for tomorrow night.
Used to work and then just disappeared a week or two ago?1 -
Why is Chris Williamson not on the Betfair market for Derby North? He is surely only marginally more ridiculous a figure than Lord Buckethead, who is available to back for Uxbridge.2
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I was one of the ones doing the counting, it was absolutely hilarious! Their activists swarmed the count and it took hours for them to realise they were going nowhere.EPG said:Don't forget the 2015 rumour that LDs were going to win Maidstone and the Weald.
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Poison? Lightning strike? Pressure wave from a low-flying jet from Valley? A starling-hating God?egg said:0 -
Perhaps the rumour is IDS is a Gooner.nunu2 said:
I'm hearing rumours of IDS is a goner in Chingford!dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/anthonyjwells/status/1204885669140746242
Nearly all the final opinion polls are published.2 -
Evil Tories.MarqueeMark said:
Poison? Lightning strike? Pressure wave from a low-flying jet from Valley? A starling-hating God?egg said:0 -
Illuminati....MarqueeMark said:
Poison? Lightning strike? Pressure wave from a low-flying jet from Valley? A starling-hating God?egg said:0 -
Some additional predictions from me.
The red wall will not crumble entirely. The Tories will gain 4 seats in the red wall.
The Tories will lose five seats in Scotland.
The Tories will lose four seats in London.
The Lib Dems will make surprise gains in the South - but will only be in the low 20s at best.
The next Government will be a Labour minority Government supported by the SNP in a C&S agreement. The Lib Dems will abstain.
Corbyn will resign.
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What's ridiculous about Lord Buckethead? Eminently sensible policy platform. Chris Williamson, on the other hand …theoldpolitics said:Why is Chris Williamson not on the Betfair market for Derby North? He is surely only marginally more ridiculous a figure than Lord Buckethead, who is available to back for Uxbridge.
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In 1992 the Tories knew Chris Patten was losing Bath well before the votes were past.HYUFD said:
There are no 'rumours' as most of the votes have not yet been cast. What a ridiculous post, the polls show it close but that is a different matternunu2 said:
I'm hearing rumours of IDS is a goner in Chingford!dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/anthonyjwells/status/1204885669140746242
Nearly all the final opinion polls are published.
This seems like a 1992 result- the Tories squeaking a 20 majority and then the country is plunged into 5 years of hellish governance....
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So how do we know IDS has already lost then?TheScreamingEagles said:
That's news to people who have sent in their postal votes.Sunil_Prasannan said:
People haven't voted yet!nunu2 said:
I'm hearing rumours of IDS is a goner in Chingford!dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/anthonyjwells/status/1204885669140746242
Nearly all the final opinion polls are published.0 -
Where the fuck is Survation? I want to sign off and watch Masterchef.
Tomorrow is gonna be a big day0 -
I presume it is midnight.Byronic said:Where the fuck is Survation? I want to sign off and watch Masterchef.
Tomorrow is gonna be a big day0 -
Are you sure you aren't from a parallel universe?CorrectHorseBattery said:Some additional predictions from me.
The red wall will not crumble entirely. The Tories will gain 4 seats in the red wall.
The Tories will lose five seats in Scotland.
The Tories will lose four seats in London.
The Lib Dems will make surprise gains in the South - but will only be in the low 20s at best.
The next Government will be a Labour minority Government supported by the SNP in a C&S agreement. The Lib Dems will abstain.
Corbyn will resign.
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"Squad leaders, we've picked up a new group of signals: enemy Tories coming your way!"ozymandias said:
Evil Tories.MarqueeMark said:
Poison? Lightning strike? Pressure wave from a low-flying jet from Valley? A starling-hating God?egg said:0 -
Masterchef Australia is the only one worth watching.Byronic said:Where the fuck is Survation? I want to sign off and watch Masterchef.
Tomorrow is gonna be a big day1 -
They are still crunching the numbers, the figures will be published here.Byronic said:Where the fuck is Survation? I want to sign off and watch Masterchef.
Tomorrow is gonna be a big day
https://www.survation.com/final-general-election-2019-poll-results-a-preview/0 -
I just turn the phone landscape - much easier to readkyf_100 said:
Vanilla works for reading and commenting on mobile. I find comments don't work on Firefox or Chrome for mobile any more, but do when using Brave, although it won't let me log in to post.Scrapheap_as_was said:Anyone know how to get the PB comments to show on an android phone? Can't see these now unless I'm sat at my PC - sub optimal for tomorrow night.
Used to work and then just disappeared a week or two ago?
One question I have - does anyone know how to make the text bigger on mobile? I get eye strain pretty bad.0 -
It worked very well for Labour in 2017.3ChordTrick said:
Ah the mythical all-seeing private polling. Why would it ever be any better than the public polling we see?speedy2 said:
Basically because Corbyn is campaigning in seats that are close using the published MRP's days before they are published, a feat that he did in 2017 too, I assume he has (well Labour or Momentum) a "Crystal Ball" connected straight to an MRP.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Can you please explain what Corbyn's MRP is saying? Who will be providing it?speedy2 said:
For a Labour coalition to form it needs to be a tie in the national vote.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/liz_franczak/status/1204888510160719877
Yeah not so good
Pretty much what Corbyn's MRP is probably saying.
The Conservatives apparently don't have one, because their campaign is scattered and disorganized like last time.
Marxists make better party organizers apparently.
In fact it could have been a public pollster like Yougov and Survation or Mori that would have told them roughly the same thing.0 -
That depends on the phone and browser.kyf_100 said:
Vanilla works for reading and commenting on mobile. I find comments don't work on Firefox or Chrome for mobile any more, but do when using Brave, although it won't let me log in to post.Scrapheap_as_was said:Anyone know how to get the PB comments to show on an android phone? Can't see these now unless I'm sat at my PC - sub optimal for tomorrow night.
Used to work and then just disappeared a week or two ago?
One question I have - does anyone know how to make the text bigger on mobile? I get eye strain pretty bad.0 -
https://twitter.com/BBCHelena/status/1204833144874119169Sunil_Prasannan said:
"Squad leaders, we've picked up a new group of signals: enemy Tories coming your way!"ozymandias said:
Evil Tories.MarqueeMark said:
Poison? Lightning strike? Pressure wave from a low-flying jet from Valley? A starling-hating God?egg said:1 -
Unless you need plumbing materials, in which case stick with Microsoft.Richard_Nabavi said:
I typed 'Graham's Number' into Microsoft's search engine and it came up with 020 8848 6700, the phone number of a plumber's merchant in Hayes.Fysics_Teacher said:On the subject of massively ranges for predictions:
In mathematics there is a famous number called Graham’s Number after its discover. The number itself is one of the class of stupidly big numbers that are too big to ever calculate; indeed early on in the recipe for finding the number you are dealing with numbers which are literally too big to fit in the universe. This means that if you could write each digit in the smallest volume known to science there would not be enough room in the visible universe to write it down.
The best bit about this number is that is was not actually the answer to the problem Graham was trying to solve, only the upper bound. The lower bound was... 3.
Predictions which range from a hung parliament to a Tory majority in three figures are pretty mild by comparison.
I must remember to stick with Google next time.0 -
Why? Is tomorrow the Masterchef final?Byronic said:Where the fuck is Survation? I want to sign off and watch Masterchef.
Tomorrow is gonna be a big day0 -
But in 2015, their private polling was utter garbage.speedy2 said:
It worked very well for Labour in 2017.3ChordTrick said:
Ah the mythical all-seeing private polling. Why would it ever be any better than the public polling we see?speedy2 said:
Basically because Corbyn is campaigning in seats that are close using the published MRP's days before they are published, a feat that he did in 2017 too, I assume he has (well Labour or Momentum) a "Crystal Ball" connected straight to an MRP.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Can you please explain what Corbyn's MRP is saying? Who will be providing it?speedy2 said:
For a Labour coalition to form it needs to be a tie in the national vote.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/liz_franczak/status/1204888510160719877
Yeah not so good
Pretty much what Corbyn's MRP is probably saying.
The Conservatives apparently don't have one, because their campaign is scattered and disorganized like last time.
Marxists make better party organizers apparently.
In fact it could have been a public pollster like Yougov and Survation or Mori that would have told them roughly the same thing.0 -
tyson said:
The Tories have inflicted three years of Brexit twattery on us...plunging the country into a nihilistic, populist nightmare.
Please, can someone tell me why they deserve a majority tomorrow.? And the answer cannot mention Corbyn. Thanks
Because Socialism was tested to destruction in this country in the 60's & 70's.
It failed so badly that is was then junked by Labour & with the exception of North Korea & Cuba abandoned by the rest of the world.
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This has been an unpleasant campaign, and this type of post typifies it.tyson said:
What worries me is how the Tories have morphed into an English nationalist pressure group that doesn't give 2 flying fucks about the economic health of the country and fights an election on an entirely mendacious theme of "get Brexit done" that is obviously bollox. What became of your party? From what I see you are something much lower than pond life amoeba...RobinWiggs said:
Why am I drawn to the 5% poll and worried, yet not calmed by the 5 x 10% and over polls?Black_Rook said:Tonight's polls
Opinium Con 45/Lab 33/LD 12 (Con lead +12)
Qriously 43/30/12 (+13)
NCPolitics 43/33/12 (+10)
BMG 41/32/14 (+9)
Panelbase 43/34/11 (+9)
ComRes 41/36/12 (+5)
Kantar 44/32/13 (+12)
Deltapoll 45/35/10 (+10)
Mean Con lead: 10% exactly
Still waiting for Survation, YouGov and ICM, assuming they're all publishing tonight...? Ipsos MORI expected tomorrow morning I believe.
2017 has a lot to answer for. I was fine until this evening.
I dislike Corbyn vehemently and disagree with most Labour policy. But I still recognise that most Labour candidates are like most Conservative candidates - decent and honourable people motivated primarily by notions of public service, who want to do the best for the community.
I certainly wouldn’t call them lower than amoeba. I wish you didn’t either
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