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I could live with that if it meant the back of Corbyn-which it should, but might not.AlastairMeeks said:I reflected overnight on the election result that the country deserves (as opposed to what it will get) and concluded that it would look something like:
Con 310
Lab 251
SNP 45
Lib Dems 20
DUP 8
Sinn Fein 6
Plaid Cymru 4
Alliance 2
SDLP 2
Green 1
Speaker 1
Not that any of the politicians are anywhere near competent enough to deal with such a result.0 -
Not voting or spoiling your ballot paper is copping out IMHO.AlastairMeeks said:
Yes. Not in an electorally interesting manner though. My choices are Lib Dem, Green and spoiling my ballot paper. In a safe Conservative seat with Labour second, this is in the realm of performance art.Andy_JS said:Is anyone still undecided as to who to vote for tomorrow?
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I think I am with Jon Ashworth on this. Corbyn is not even close to being fit to be PM. He makes Boris look good. Think about that for a moment. He makes Boris look good. I mean, jeez.CorrectHorseBattery said:
This result would almost certainly lead to voting reform for a Labour minority Government. Works for me.DavidL said:
I think we've tried this for the last 2 years. It didn't work. Probably for the reason you have indicated.AlastairMeeks said:I reflected overnight on the election result that the country deserves (as opposed to what it will get) and concluded that it would look something like:
Con 310
Lab 251
SNP 45
Lib Dems 20
DUP 8
Sinn Fein 6
Plaid Cymru 4
Alliance 2
SDLP 2
Green 1
Speaker 1
Not that any of the politicians are anywhere near competent enough to deal with such a result.1 -
It just looks like buffoonery to me, from a man who has never done a physical job in his life.SouthamObserver said:
Johnson is pitching for the older, working class, male Labour Leave vote. He’s spent a lot of time donning the high vis jackets and other forms of working gear of that demographic. It’s smart politics.Foxy said:
Is he doing some sort of weird Generation Game thing where he has to play at doing every job, and make a hash of it for the amusement of the cameras?KentRising said:https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1204656798571139073?s=19
Boris in a Tory defence.
Some say that the LDs went too heavy on PM Swinson, but the Tories going so heavy on the clown cult of BoZo may have been a much bigger mistake. Hardly any other cabinet minister seems to have been on show, and virtually all the Tory stuff is about personalities rather than policy.
If it is smart politics, why isn't it working?0 -
What? With a vote magnet like Boris as the alternative.Gallowgate said:
I mean, I think I’m now voting Labour but I could wobble in the voting booth.Andy_JS said:Is anyone still undecided as to who to vote for tomorrow?
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Buttigeig is a McKinsey psychopath and an utter dud. Patrick Bateman as played by Norman Bates. He's incompetent as mayor, and from his bizarre missteps like inventing black supporters, equally incompetent as a campaigner. The voters who he'd need to win from Trump aren't going to be impressed by his ability to express contempt for them in 6 different languages.0
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In a constituency where the hat stand with a blue rosette is going to win regardless?squareroot2 said:
Not voting or spoiling your ballot paper is copping out IMHO.AlastairMeeks said:
Yes. Not in an electorally interesting manner though. My choices are Lib Dem, Green and spoiling my ballot paper. In a safe Conservative seat with Labour second, this is in the realm of performance art.Andy_JS said:Is anyone still undecided as to who to vote for tomorrow?
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Still not sure but firming up to be Lib Dems even though Jo Swinson is truly a terrible leader. Uncle Vince would have been so much better (and that's saying something!)Andy_JS said:Is anyone still undecided as to who to vote for tomorrow?
Priority is to get the flip-flopping hapless Stephen Hammond kicked out of Wimbledon. Word on the ground here is that it's still relatively close but a split Labour / LibDem vote would allow Hammond to survive (sadly).0 -
That means it’s either (a) fixed; or (b) unfixableCasino_Royale said:On resigning club, I’ve already ‘resigned’ from Crossrail (2 weeks ago, as it happens) and am leaving that client after nearly 5.5 years. I may do a day or so a week there next year, but I finish there full time at Christmas.
I’m working on a new client for 2020, which may amuse some of you when I reveal it but I can’t discuss it yet.
We should be told!0 -
Yes, if only Johnson had had the opportunity to answer some serious questions from someone serious like Andrew Neil...Charles said:
It’s a silly question and deserves a silly answerydoethur said:
If that isn’t a spoof it’s genuinely frightening.Fysics_Teacher said:
Are you sure that’s not from Private Eye?AlastairMeeks said:1 -
Does anyone think that if the Lib Dems had respected the referendum and we had left the EU, that they would be experiencing a resurgence and massively eating into Labour (and some Con) seats. Instead they could be back down to single figures if they don't win big in home counties/Surrey.0
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Interesting. Perhaps his brain works a bit like mine: if someone says something I often get a quotation from somewhere popping into my head.Luckyguy1983 said:
It is from Ecclesiastes. Vanity, Vanity, all is Vanity. It's a beautiful passage.Fysics_Teacher said:
All is vanity seems to fit quite well for Boris.AlastairMeeks said:
Private Eye couldn’t better it.Fysics_Teacher said:
Are you sure that’s not from Private Eye?AlastairMeeks said:
I would not take that as a recommendation: I would be a terrible Prime Minister as I am one of the laziest people I know (and that includes my Year 10 Physics class).1 -
FfsKentRising said:https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1204656798571139073?s=19
Boris in a Tory defence.0 -
I suspect CrossRails over runs and delays means that this is it for London underground extensions for a while.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I was hoping you might be helping to do the Bakerloo line extension, but no sign of that getting funded any time soon. 5-6 years is a good length of time for one job. I'm in my current job for over six years now, should think if moving on but I quite enjoy what I am doing right now and it fits well with family commitments etc so will probably stick with it. Good luck in your new role.Casino_Royale said:On resigning club, I’ve already ‘resigned’ from Crossrail (2 weeks ago, as it happens) and am leaving that client after nearly 5.5 years. I may do a day or so a week there next year, but I finish there full time at Christmas.
I’m working on a new client for 2020, which may amuse some of you when I reveal it but I can’t discuss it yet.0 -
At home I have two poll cards for my kids 26 and 24eek said:If we are still talking about the MRP seats - Things may not be correct due to polling decisions.
https://twitter.com/centrist_phone/status/1204569918060027904
and one focus of this election has been trying to get younger people to register (and hopefully vote).
neither one can be arsed to vote.0 -
Please, I’m not that tubby.Foxy said:
Are you the new Sir Topham Hat?Casino_Royale said:On resigning club, I’ve already ‘resigned’ from Crossrail (2 weeks ago, as it happens) and am leaving that client after nearly 5.5 years. I may do a day or so a week there next year, but I finish there full time at Christmas.
I’m working on a new client for 2020, which may amuse some of you when I reveal it but I can’t discuss it yet.0 -
That depends - remember you don't want to visit a constituency where you are spending money on leaflets - better to visit the safe seat next door and use the media.nunu2 said:
FfsKentRising said:https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1204656798571139073?s=19
Boris in a Tory defence.0 -
Given the “things” our politicians want to get done, not getting them done seems just fine by me. In the meantime, they can learn how to work together.DavidL said:
Doing it again is not going to make our politicians any more competent. We have what we have. We need a majority government to get things done. That majority can come from a stable coalition as in 2010-15 but more often the Coalition is inside a single party. Managing that is hard enough for the candidates we have.AlastairMeeks said:
Then we should go away and do it again and this time properly.DavidL said:
I think we've tried this for the last 2 years. It didn't work. Probably for the reason you have indicated.AlastairMeeks said:I reflected overnight on the election result that the country deserves (as opposed to what it will get) and concluded that it would look something like:
Con 310
Lab 251
SNP 45
Lib Dems 20
DUP 8
Sinn Fein 6
Plaid Cymru 4
Alliance 2
SDLP 2
Green 1
Speaker 1
Not that any of the politicians are anywhere near competent enough to deal with such a result.0 -
As with Brexit the final result depends on who actually gets out and puts a cross on the paper. I think it shows how much of a gamble polling is - the figures don't actually matter, the assumptions used are everything.Alanbrooke said:
At home I have two poll cards for my kids 26 and 24eek said:If we are still talking about the MRP seats - Things may not be correct due to polling decisions.
https://twitter.com/centrist_phone/status/1204569918060027904
and one focus of this election has been trying to get younger people to register (and hopefully vote).
neither one can be arsed to vote.0 -
That’s wishful thinking. We know where it would end: chaos and gridlock, and quite possibly a No Deal Brexit too.AlastairMeeks said:
Then we should go away and do it again and this time properly.DavidL said:
I think we've tried this for the last 2 years. It didn't work. Probably for the reason you have indicated.AlastairMeeks said:I reflected overnight on the election result that the country deserves (as opposed to what it will get) and concluded that it would look something like:
Con 310
Lab 251
SNP 45
Lib Dems 20
DUP 8
Sinn Fein 6
Plaid Cymru 4
Alliance 2
SDLP 2
Green 1
Speaker 1
Not that any of the politicians are anywhere near competent enough to deal with such a result.
If we weren’t staring down the barrel of the break-up of the UK and a crash-out from the EU then you might be right.0 -
Either that, or parliament should have declared the referendum advisory-only from the start and set it aside.argyllrs said:Does anyone think that if the Lib Dems had respected the referendum and we had left the EU, that they would be experiencing a resurgence and massively eating into Labour (and some Con) seats. Instead they could be back down to single figures if they don't win big in home counties/Surrey.
I think that remainer MPs have said that they "respect the result of the referendum" whilst doing all they can to undermine it, along with a complicit and vain speaker. The public`s fury over this duplicity will not be forgotton easily.
It`s all a bit of a shame.0 -
Speaking of vanity and quotations of a sort, my favourite song title (not the same as the title of my favourite song) is “You’re so vain, you probably think this song is about you”.0
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How anyone who has complained (alot) about the economic drawbacks of Brexit, which worst case scenario is predicted to make us 'grow less', can vote to put Corbyn in power, is beyond me. Nothing to do with antisemitism, which I deplore, it's what they have confirmed they would do to the economy. It's not even like it's in any way hidden beneath a mask of bland Blairism. Nobody could vote for that unless out of revenge on the country, which is sad.Mexicanpete said:
What? With a vote magnet like Boris as the alternative.Gallowgate said:
I mean, I think I’m now voting Labour but I could wobble in the voting booth.Andy_JS said:Is anyone still undecided as to who to vote for tomorrow?
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I am no longer religious but I love Ecclesiastes ch 3, for everything there is a season. I find it genuinely profound. https://www.biblehub.com/bsb/ecclesiastes/3.htmLuckyguy1983 said:
It is from Ecclesiastes. Vanity, Vanity, all is Vanity. It's a beautiful passage.Fysics_Teacher said:
All is vanity seems to fit quite well for Boris.AlastairMeeks said:
Private Eye couldn’t better it.Fysics_Teacher said:
Are you sure that’s not from Private Eye?AlastairMeeks said:
Its certainly the best book in the Old Testament, arguably the best in the whole bible.0 -
I think Brewdog’s free beer if you vote will help boost the ‘cant be arsed’ student vote.0
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Ashworthgate may be yesterday's news in the meeja - but it produced a startling effect on the doorsteps of what was once just about Britain's safest Tory seat (Witney) yesterday
I was canvassing practically the Toriest and chocolate-box Cotswoldest villages in the Soho Farmhouse hinterland. For the past month, it had been all "Yes the Tory's a tosser, Johnson's a lying toad, and we're all Remainers. But we're not risking Corbyn"
Yesterday though, almost everywhere it went "Well: if even Labour thinks it's got no chance, we can kick the idle Tory out and get a Referendum we'll win without worrying about a Commie takeover. Now tell me why your girl's better than the Labour one".
"Almost" everywhere? Well there were a couple of Labour posters up: from them it was "Well of course I'll vote for Swinson. We always show a Labour poster to spite the neighbours. But you don't think we'd vote for Corbyn surely? Do you know how much this house is worth?" Last night's YouGov MRP put Labour here below 10%
I'd already had the Tory candidate for the District tell me she thought Boyonfloorgate meant we'd probably pip her lot here.
Even I'm beginning to think we might. Just.1 -
Good morning, everyone.
No overall majority now 3.25 on Ladbrokes. Was 4.5 for half a day not so long ago.0 -
Yup. I Think everyone should vote.. not mandatorily, but they should.eek said:
In a constituency where the hat stand with a blue rosette is going to win regardless?squareroot2 said:
Not voting or spoiling your ballot paper is copping out IMHO.AlastairMeeks said:
Yes. Not in an electorally interesting manner though. My choices are Lib Dem, Green and spoiling my ballot paper. In a safe Conservative seat with Labour second, this is in the realm of performance art.Andy_JS said:Is anyone still undecided as to who to vote for tomorrow?
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You guys are happy to inflict a ‘no deal’ Brexit in revenge so no sympathy from me I’m afraid.Luckyguy1983 said:
How anyone who has complained (alot) about the economic drawbacks of Brexit, which worst case scenario is predicted to make us 'grow less', can vote to put Corbyn in power, is beyond me. Nothing to do with antisemitism, which I deplore, it's what they have confirmed they would do to the economy. It's not even like it's in any way hidden beneath a mask of bland Blairism. Nobody could vote for that unless out of revenge on the country, which is sad.Mexicanpete said:
What? With a vote magnet like Boris as the alternative.Gallowgate said:
I mean, I think I’m now voting Labour but I could wobble in the voting booth.Andy_JS said:Is anyone still undecided as to who to vote for tomorrow?
You only have yourselves to blame.0 -
If pressed I`d put the chances of a Tory maj at 60%. What do you think?Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
No overall majority now 3.25 on Ladbrokes. Was 4.5 for half a day not so long ago.0 -
Me too. And the Byrds song. Suggests a rather philosophical angle from Boris.DavidL said:
I am no longer religious but I love Ecclesiastes ch 3, for everything there is a season. I find it genuinely profound. https://www.biblehub.com/bsb/ecclesiastes/3.htmLuckyguy1983 said:
It is from Ecclesiastes. Vanity, Vanity, all is Vanity. It's a beautiful passage.Fysics_Teacher said:
All is vanity seems to fit quite well for Boris.AlastairMeeks said:
Private Eye couldn’t better it.Fysics_Teacher said:
Are you sure that’s not from Private Eye?AlastairMeeks said:
Its certainly the best book in the Old Testament, arguably the best in the whole bible.
Albeit not a very accessible answer. 0 -
"Tories open second investigation into Hastings candidate
Sally-Ann Hart faces inquiries over alleged Islamophobia and antisemitism"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/11/tories-open-second-investigation-sally-ann-hart-hastings-candidate0 -
My MP is Sir Bernard Jenkin so you have correctly identified my constituency.eek said:
In a constituency where the hat stand with a blue rosette is going to win regardless?squareroot2 said:
Not voting or spoiling your ballot paper is copping out IMHO.AlastairMeeks said:
Yes. Not in an electorally interesting manner though. My choices are Lib Dem, Green and spoiling my ballot paper. In a safe Conservative seat with Labour second, this is in the realm of performance art.Andy_JS said:Is anyone still undecided as to who to vote for tomorrow?
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In the 60's and 70 and even the 80's, we had no MRP, no digging into seats. A 10% lead meant it was over. Frankly I think it is, but there have been v late swings , so nothing can be discounted, but I would not bank on MRP as an exact science.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
No overall majority now 3.25 on Ladbrokes. Was 4.5 for half a day not so long ago.0 -
Agreed. I will vote Tory in Dundee West. Its not even art. But its the right thing to do.squareroot2 said:
Yup. I Think everyone should vote.. not mandatorily, but they should.eek said:
In a constituency where the hat stand with a blue rosette is going to win regardless?squareroot2 said:
Not voting or spoiling your ballot paper is copping out IMHO.AlastairMeeks said:
Yes. Not in an electorally interesting manner though. My choices are Lib Dem, Green and spoiling my ballot paper. In a safe Conservative seat with Labour second, this is in the realm of performance art.Andy_JS said:Is anyone still undecided as to who to vote for tomorrow?
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However, it could be exactly what Corbyn needs to win votes - remember for a lot of people Brexit was a f*** you vote and you've just said a vote for Corbyn is the same.Luckyguy1983 said:
How anyone who has complained (alot) about the economic drawbacks of Brexit, which worst case scenario is predicted to make us 'grow less', can vote to put Corbyn in power, is beyond me. Nothing to do with antisemitism, which I deplore, it's what they have confirmed they would do to the economy. It's not even like it's in any way hidden beneath a mask of bland Blairism. Nobody could vote for that unless out of revenge on the country, which is sad.Mexicanpete said:
What? With a vote magnet like Boris as the alternative.Gallowgate said:
I mean, I think I’m now voting Labour but I could wobble in the voting booth.Andy_JS said:Is anyone still undecided as to who to vote for tomorrow?
And as I stated last night and even below the issue for pollsters is have they reached all groups and have they got their assumptions correct. If Labour and Momentum get the none-voters out the result could be very different to all predictions.0 -
It is. The Tories are on course for their best result since 1987, thanks largely to support from men.Foxy said:
It just looks like buffoonery to me, from a man who has never done a physical job in his life.SouthamObserver said:
Johnson is pitching for the older, working class, male Labour Leave vote. He’s spent a lot of time donning the high vis jackets and other forms of working gear of that demographic. It’s smart politics.Foxy said:
Is he doing some sort of weird Generation Game thing where he has to play at doing every job, and make a hash of it for the amusement of the cameras?KentRising said:https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1204656798571139073?s=19
Boris in a Tory defence.
Some say that the LDs went too heavy on PM Swinson, but the Tories going so heavy on the clown cult of BoZo may have been a much bigger mistake. Hardly any other cabinet minister seems to have been on show, and virtually all the Tory stuff is about personalities rather than policy.
If it is smart politics, why isn't it working?
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Labour's steady improvement (albeit from a low base) does seem to support the theory that broadcast rules are a big help to the Labour campaign. Balanced coverage can counteract the otherwise right wing press.
I wonder then whether the Tories will look at altering these rules if they win a majority. Similar to what the Republicans did to remove the Fairness Doctrine in the US.0 -
I bet on the ridiculous name of Hickenlooper but that didn't turn out well.Foxy said:
Amy is my big POTUS winner. I topped up when she was still in the fight, and way too long. She has that folksiness that Middle America likes.stjohn said:Nice bet on Amy, OGH. I followed you in a while back and staked £13 at 220 for her to become POTUS and £50 at 130/1 on her becoming the Democratic nominee. I’ve just had another £50 on her to be the nominee at 60/1 (Ladbrokes boosted price). She is currently 36-44 to be the nominee with Betfair and 80-100 to be POTUS.
A great time for her to get such a big poll boost. Let’s hope she has “The Mo”.
Go Amy!
She also does well on the ridiculous name factor that is so important in America.0 -
Let's not rehearse the Brexit argument again. Your own answer tells me (and you) all you need to know. Thankfully, there are many more people who will be voting with the country's best interest at heart, and you will have a lot of cause to be grateful to them in the coming years.Gallowgate said:
You guys are happy to inflict a ‘no deal’ Brexit in revenge so no sympathy from me I’m afraid.Luckyguy1983 said:
How anyone who has complained (alot) about the economic drawbacks of Brexit, which worst case scenario is predicted to make us 'grow less', can vote to put Corbyn in power, is beyond me. Nothing to do with antisemitism, which I deplore, it's what they have confirmed they would do to the economy. It's not even like it's in any way hidden beneath a mask of bland Blairism. Nobody could vote for that unless out of revenge on the country, which is sad.Mexicanpete said:
What? With a vote magnet like Boris as the alternative.Gallowgate said:
I mean, I think I’m now voting Labour but I could wobble in the voting booth.Andy_JS said:Is anyone still undecided as to who to vote for tomorrow?
You only have yourselves to blame.0 -
I bet on Hickenlooper too - not my finest!No_Offence_Alan said:
I bet on the ridiculous name of Hickenlooper but that didn't turn out well.Foxy said:
Amy is my big POTUS winner. I topped up when she was still in the fight, and way too long. She has that folksiness that Middle America likes.stjohn said:Nice bet on Amy, OGH. I followed you in a while back and staked £13 at 220 for her to become POTUS and £50 at 130/1 on her becoming the Democratic nominee. I’ve just had another £50 on her to be the nominee at 60/1 (Ladbrokes boosted price). She is currently 36-44 to be the nominee with Betfair and 80-100 to be POTUS.
A great time for her to get such a big poll boost. Let’s hope she has “The Mo”.
Go Amy!
She also does well on the ridiculous name factor that is so important in America.1 -
trueeek said:
As with Brexit the final result depends on who actually gets out and puts a cross on the paper. I think it shows how much of a gamble polling is - the figures don't actually matter, the assumptions used are everything.Alanbrooke said:
At home I have two poll cards for my kids 26 and 24eek said:If we are still talking about the MRP seats - Things may not be correct due to polling decisions.
https://twitter.com/centrist_phone/status/1204569918060027904
and one focus of this election has been trying to get younger people to register (and hopefully vote).
neither one can be arsed to vote.
in any event if they vote in my constituency its entirely pointless as I live in one of the safest Tory seats in the country ( Stratford upon Avon ). Oddly if they have bothered to register where live ( Easling Central Edinburgh West ) it might have been worth voting,0 -
That result would be seen inside Labour as a huge win for Corbyn.Mexicanpete said:
I could live with that if it meant the back of Corbyn-which it should, but might not.AlastairMeeks said:I reflected overnight on the election result that the country deserves (as opposed to what it will get) and concluded that it would look something like:
Con 310
Lab 251
SNP 45
Lib Dems 20
DUP 8
Sinn Fein 6
Plaid Cymru 4
Alliance 2
SDLP 2
Green 1
Speaker 1
Not that any of the politicians are anywhere near competent enough to deal with such a result.
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They really aren’t.SouthamObserver said:
It is. The Tories are on course for their best result since 1987, thanks largely to support from men.Foxy said:
It just looks like buffoonery to me, from a man who has never done a physical job in his life.SouthamObserver said:
Johnson is pitching for the older, working class, male Labour Leave vote. He’s spent a lot of time donning the high vis jackets and other forms of working gear of that demographic. It’s smart politics.Foxy said:
Is he doing some sort of weird Generation Game thing where he has to play at doing every job, and make a hash of it for the amusement of the cameras?KentRising said:https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1204656798571139073?s=19
Boris in a Tory defence.
Some say that the LDs went too heavy on PM Swinson, but the Tories going so heavy on the clown cult of BoZo may have been a much bigger mistake. Hardly any other cabinet minister seems to have been on show, and virtually all the Tory stuff is about personalities rather than policy.
If it is smart politics, why isn't it working?
There’s been a big swingback in the last few days.0 -
Agreed. Its self indulgence of the worst kind.Luckyguy1983 said:
How anyone who has complained (alot) about the economic drawbacks of Brexit, which worst case scenario is predicted to make us 'grow less', can vote to put Corbyn in power, is beyond me. Nothing to do with antisemitism, which I deplore, it's what they have confirmed they would do to the economy. It's not even like it's in any way hidden beneath a mask of bland Blairism. Nobody could vote for that unless out of revenge on the country, which is sad.Mexicanpete said:
What? With a vote magnet like Boris as the alternative.Gallowgate said:
I mean, I think I’m now voting Labour but I could wobble in the voting booth.Andy_JS said:Is anyone still undecided as to who to vote for tomorrow?
Its worth considering how Boris would have done against Blair though. I think he would have been annihilated.0 -
My favourite quotation on it was from my grandmother aged 98, who told me "Vanity is the last thing to go"Fysics_Teacher said:Speaking of vanity and quotations of a sort, my favourite song title (not the same as the title of my favourite song) is “You’re so vain, you probably think this song is about you”.
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I was on 70-75% until 48 hours ago.Stocky said:
If pressed I`d put the chances of a Tory maj at 60%. What do you think?Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
No overall majority now 3.25 on Ladbrokes. Was 4.5 for half a day not so long ago.
Then there was THE picture. Every parent in the land thought, 'that could be my child.' And it really could. It's the state of things. It was Johnson's awful reaction that compounded it. It was the Kinnock Sheffield moment. But whether it's that, or Andrew Neil, or just tribes coming home, there is absolutely no doubt in my view that the Labour vote has firmed up sharply in the last 2 days. In fact, YouGov said the same last night and posted up a graph to that effect:
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1204523077041901568?s=20
Unless something major changes today I expect that trend to continue. There will be some offset due to postal votes but I'd say now that the Conservatives' chances of an overall majority are 50-50. I 'think' they may still just do it but it's on an even sharper knife edge.
In some ways, as I've mentioned before, I'd be okay with a single figure tory majority. It would kill off the Brexit albatross around Labour's neck, see Corbyn replaced by someone more electable, and it would be an absolute shitshow government of increasing chaos leading to a Labour landslide in 3 to 5 years.
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I don’t think that Mr Meeks is a real estate lawyer.MarqueeMark said:
Take your crayoning set with you.....AlastairMeeks said:
Yes. Not in an electorally interesting manner though. My choices are Lib Dem, Green and spoiling my ballot paper. In a safe Conservative seat with Labour second, this is in the realm of performance art.Andy_JS said:Is anyone still undecided as to who to vote for tomorrow?
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Charles said:
That means it’s either (a) fixed; or (b) unfixableCasino_Royale said:On resigning club, I’ve already ‘resigned’ from Crossrail (2 weeks ago, as it happens) and am leaving that client after nearly 5.5 years. I may do a day or so a week there next year, but I finish there full time at Christmas.
I’m working on a new client for 2020, which may amuse some of you when I reveal it but I can’t discuss it yet.
We should be told!
I’ve just had enough.
I wouldn’t expect it to open before Christmas 2021.0 -
There is nothing new under the sun...DavidL said:
I am no longer religious but I love Ecclesiastes ch 3, for everything there is a season. I find it genuinely profound. https://www.biblehub.com/bsb/ecclesiastes/3.htmLuckyguy1983 said:
It is from Ecclesiastes. Vanity, Vanity, all is Vanity. It's a beautiful passage.Fysics_Teacher said:
All is vanity seems to fit quite well for Boris.AlastairMeeks said:
Private Eye couldn’t better it.Fysics_Teacher said:
Are you sure that’s not from Private Eye?AlastairMeeks said:
Its certainly the best book in the Old Testament, arguably the best in the whole bible.0 -
You're right. There has. It's detectable everywhere: from polling to party workers to anecdotes.Casino_Royale said:
They really aren’t.SouthamObserver said:
It is. The Tories are on course for their best result since 1987, thanks largely to support from men.Foxy said:
It just looks like buffoonery to me, from a man who has never done a physical job in his life.SouthamObserver said:
Johnson is pitching for the older, working class, male Labour Leave vote. He’s spent a lot of time donning the high vis jackets and other forms of working gear of that demographic. It’s smart politics.Foxy said:
Is he doing some sort of weird Generation Game thing where he has to play at doing every job, and make a hash of it for the amusement of the cameras?KentRising said:https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1204656798571139073?s=19
Boris in a Tory defence.
Some say that the LDs went too heavy on PM Swinson, but the Tories going so heavy on the clown cult of BoZo may have been a much bigger mistake. Hardly any other cabinet minister seems to have been on show, and virtually all the Tory stuff is about personalities rather than policy.
If it is smart politics, why isn't it working?
There’s been a big swingback in the last few days.0 -
Thanks for your kind words.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I was hoping you might be helping to do the Bakerloo line extension, but no sign of that getting funded any time soon. 5-6 years is a good length of time for one job. I'm in my current job for over six years now, should think if moving on but I quite enjoy what I am doing right now and it fits well with family commitments etc so will probably stick with it. Good luck in your new role.Casino_Royale said:On resigning club, I’ve already ‘resigned’ from Crossrail (2 weeks ago, as it happens) and am leaving that client after nearly 5.5 years. I may do a day or so a week there next year, but I finish there full time at Christmas.
I’m working on a new client for 2020, which may amuse some of you when I reveal it but I can’t discuss it yet.
If you enjoy it, what else is there?0 -
It’s an apt self-description, though.Luckyguy1983 said:
Me too. And the Byrds song. Suggests a rather philosophical angle from Boris.DavidL said:
I am no longer religious but I love Ecclesiastes ch 3, for everything there is a season. I find it genuinely profound. https://www.biblehub.com/bsb/ecclesiastes/3.htmLuckyguy1983 said:
It is from Ecclesiastes. Vanity, Vanity, all is Vanity. It's a beautiful passage.Fysics_Teacher said:
All is vanity seems to fit quite well for Boris.AlastairMeeks said:
Private Eye couldn’t better it.Fysics_Teacher said:
Are you sure that’s not from Private Eye?AlastairMeeks said:
Its certainly the best book in the Old Testament, arguably the best in the whole bible. Albeit not a very accessible answer. 0 -
Yep, making it much more likely he stays and the far Left continues its chokehold on the party.SouthamObserver said:
That result would be seen inside Labour as a huge win for Corbyn.Mexicanpete said:
I could live with that if it meant the back of Corbyn-which it should, but might not.AlastairMeeks said:I reflected overnight on the election result that the country deserves (as opposed to what it will get) and concluded that it would look something like:
Con 310
Lab 251
SNP 45
Lib Dems 20
DUP 8
Sinn Fein 6
Plaid Cymru 4
Alliance 2
SDLP 2
Green 1
Speaker 1
Not that any of the politicians are anywhere near competent enough to deal with such a result.0 -
Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.Luckyguy1983 said:
Let's not rehearse the Brexit argument again. Your own answer tells me (and you) all you need to know. Thankfully, there are many more people who will be voting with the country's best interest at heart, and you will have a lot of cause to be grateful to them in the coming years.Gallowgate said:
You guys are happy to inflict a ‘no deal’ Brexit in revenge so no sympathy from me I’m afraid.Luckyguy1983 said:
How anyone who has complained (alot) about the economic drawbacks of Brexit, which worst case scenario is predicted to make us 'grow less', can vote to put Corbyn in power, is beyond me. Nothing to do with antisemitism, which I deplore, it's what they have confirmed they would do to the economy. It's not even like it's in any way hidden beneath a mask of bland Blairism. Nobody could vote for that unless out of revenge on the country, which is sad.Mexicanpete said:
What? With a vote magnet like Boris as the alternative.Gallowgate said:
I mean, I think I’m now voting Labour but I could wobble in the voting booth.Andy_JS said:Is anyone still undecided as to who to vote for tomorrow?
You only have yourselves to blame.0 -
A LOT of people have said to me that Corbyn has come over far better than they were expecting. Mind you, he started from rock bottom so it was always possible.rkrkrk said:Labour's steady improvement (albeit from a low base) does seem to support the theory that broadcast rules are a big help to the Labour campaign. Balanced coverage can counteract the otherwise right wing press.
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That's the trouble with the media. Unfortunately for Cummings, you can't totally control it.0 -
Does anyone have a link to the latest yougov MRP spreadsheet?0
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Indeed. Only a shellacking would change things in Labour, naive to think otherwise.SouthamObserver said:
That result would be seen inside Labour as a huge win for Corbyn.Mexicanpete said:
I could live with that if it meant the back of Corbyn-which it should, but might not.AlastairMeeks said:I reflected overnight on the election result that the country deserves (as opposed to what it will get) and concluded that it would look something like:
Con 310
Lab 251
SNP 45
Lib Dems 20
DUP 8
Sinn Fein 6
Plaid Cymru 4
Alliance 2
SDLP 2
Green 1
Speaker 1
Not that any of the politicians are anywhere near competent enough to deal with such a result.0 -
Good Finkelstein article in today’s Times, in which he takes seriously the idea of a McDonnell chancellorship.0
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That's orange juice not milk..and the orange juice you get from milk delivery companies is full of sugar.KentRising said:https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1204656798571139073?s=19
Boris in a Tory defence.0 -
Lol, if the Tories are near in Barnsley East it is nowhere near a Hung Parliament. They won't be near in Barnsley East.Stocky said:If the result is that the Tories narrowly fail to gain a majority, Farage will take some flack. He`s about to cost the Tories Hartlepool, probably Barnsley East ... any others?
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Look closer. The ruthless Stalinist purging internal dissent, suspending democracy, breaking the law, running an election campaign based on lies and evasion? Boris personifies all the horror stories we were fed about Corbyn. Too thick to understand his own policies? Well, everyone else thinks Boris has put a border down the Irish Sea.DavidL said:
I think I am with Jon Ashworth on this. Corbyn is not even close to being fit to be PM. He makes Boris look good. Think about that for a moment. He makes Boris look good. I mean, jeez.CorrectHorseBattery said:
This result would almost certainly lead to voting reform for a Labour minority Government. Works for me.DavidL said:
I think we've tried this for the last 2 years. It didn't work. Probably for the reason you have indicated.AlastairMeeks said:I reflected overnight on the election result that the country deserves (as opposed to what it will get) and concluded that it would look something like:
Con 310
Lab 251
SNP 45
Lib Dems 20
DUP 8
Sinn Fein 6
Plaid Cymru 4
Alliance 2
SDLP 2
Green 1
Speaker 1
Not that any of the politicians are anywhere near competent enough to deal with such a result.
And what is Boris's reaction to parliamentary scrutiny? To being overruled by the Courts? Reflection, repentance? No, he wants to restrict the powers of both. Everything we were warned about Corbyn, is coming true with Boris.0 -
Here's some news that may distress you. All orange juice is full of sugar.timmo said:
That's orange juice not milk..and the orange juice you get from milk delivery companies is full of sugar.KentRising said:https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1204656798571139073?s=19
Boris in a Tory defence.2 -
Good luck CR. A fresh start. Would have done it myself if life hadn’t repeatedly bludgeoned me this year.Casino_Royale said:
Thanks for your kind words.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I was hoping you might be helping to do the Bakerloo line extension, but no sign of that getting funded any time soon. 5-6 years is a good length of time for one job. I'm in my current job for over six years now, should think if moving on but I quite enjoy what I am doing right now and it fits well with family commitments etc so will probably stick with it. Good luck in your new role.Casino_Royale said:On resigning club, I’ve already ‘resigned’ from Crossrail (2 weeks ago, as it happens) and am leaving that client after nearly 5.5 years. I may do a day or so a week there next year, but I finish there full time at Christmas.
I’m working on a new client for 2020, which may amuse some of you when I reveal it but I can’t discuss it yet.
If you enjoy it, what else is there?
Look how I managed to avoid a joke that your new role was in one of the new nationalised industries.1 -
But if Johnson cannot put him away, who can? A hung Parliament - or even a close Tory win - would strongly suggest that post-Corbyn a far-left Labour Party genuinely has a chance to win. The Tories really need to deliver for the left-behind areas that are likely to lend them their votes.Casino_Royale said:
Yep, making it much more likely he stays and the far Left continues its chokehold on the party.SouthamObserver said:
That result would be seen inside Labour as a huge win for Corbyn.Mexicanpete said:
I could live with that if it meant the back of Corbyn-which it should, but might not.AlastairMeeks said:I reflected overnight on the election result that the country deserves (as opposed to what it will get) and concluded that it would look something like:
Con 310
Lab 251
SNP 45
Lib Dems 20
DUP 8
Sinn Fein 6
Plaid Cymru 4
Alliance 2
SDLP 2
Green 1
Speaker 1
Not that any of the politicians are anywhere near competent enough to deal with such a result.
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Thanks, I will. And it makes me feel brilliant.Gallowgate said:
Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.Luckyguy1983 said:
Let's not rehearse the Brexit argument again. Your own answer tells me (and you) all you need to know. Thankfully, there are many more people who will be voting with the country's best interest at heart, and you will have a lot of cause to be grateful to them in the coming years.Gallowgate said:
You guys are happy to inflict a ‘no deal’ Brexit in revenge so no sympathy from me I’m afraid.Luckyguy1983 said:
How anyone who has complained (alot) about the economic drawbacks of Brexit, which worst case scenario is predicted to make us 'grow less', can vote to put Corbyn in power, is beyond me. Nothing to do with antisemitism, which I deplore, it's what they have confirmed they would do to the economy. It's not even like it's in any way hidden beneath a mask of bland Blairism. Nobody could vote for that unless out of revenge on the country, which is sad.Mexicanpete said:
What? With a vote magnet like Boris as the alternative.Gallowgate said:
I mean, I think I’m now voting Labour but I could wobble in the voting booth.Andy_JS said:Is anyone still undecided as to who to vote for tomorrow?
You only have yourselves to blame.0 -
I think "the public's fury" is a little overstated. Yes there are some Brexit obsessives that are furious, but I suspect the majority of Leave voters couldn't really care less. They are more interested in Love Island and X Factor.Stocky said:
Either that, or parliament should have declared the referendum advisory-only from the start and set it aside.argyllrs said:Does anyone think that if the Lib Dems had respected the referendum and we had left the EU, that they would be experiencing a resurgence and massively eating into Labour (and some Con) seats. Instead they could be back down to single figures if they don't win big in home counties/Surrey.
I think that remainer MPs have said that they "respect the result of the referendum" whilst doing all they can to undermine it, along with a complicit and vain speaker. The public`s fury over this duplicity will not be forgotton easily.
It`s all a bit of a shame.0 -
Jeremy Corbyn: has he just recovered from some illness or is he botoxed up to the gills? He suddenly looks ten years younger, or at least two years back to 2017.0
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Both are f*** the country votes.eek said:
However, it could be exactly what Corbyn needs to win votes - remember for a lot of people Brexit was a f*** you vote and you've just said a vote for Corbyn is the same...Luckyguy1983 said:
How anyone who has complained (alot) about the economic drawbacks of Brexit, which worst case scenario is predicted to make us 'grow less', can vote to put Corbyn in power, is beyond me. Nothing to do with antisemitism, which I deplore, it's what they have confirmed they would do to the economy. It's not even like it's in any way hidden beneath a mask of bland Blairism. Nobody could vote for that unless out of revenge on the country, which is sad.Mexicanpete said:
What? With a vote magnet like Boris as the alternative.Gallowgate said:
I mean, I think I’m now voting Labour but I could wobble in the voting booth.Andy_JS said:Is anyone still undecided as to who to vote for tomorrow?
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This.Nigelb said:
Both are f*** the country votes.eek said:
However, it could be exactly what Corbyn needs to win votes - remember for a lot of people Brexit was a f*** you vote and you've just said a vote for Corbyn is the same...Luckyguy1983 said:
How anyone who has complained (alot) about the economic drawbacks of Brexit, which worst case scenario is predicted to make us 'grow less', can vote to put Corbyn in power, is beyond me. Nothing to do with antisemitism, which I deplore, it's what they have confirmed they would do to the economy. It's not even like it's in any way hidden beneath a mask of bland Blairism. Nobody could vote for that unless out of revenge on the country, which is sad.Mexicanpete said:
What? With a vote magnet like Boris as the alternative.Gallowgate said:
I mean, I think I’m now voting Labour but I could wobble in the voting booth.Andy_JS said:Is anyone still undecided as to who to vote for tomorrow?
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I had him covered too. Amy has some staying power, and this is a marathon rather than a sprint. I liked her launching her campaign outdoors in a snowstorm. Just the right spirit for February in Iowa.No_Offence_Alan said:
I bet on the ridiculous name of Hickenlooper but that didn't turn out well.Foxy said:
Amy is my big POTUS winner. I topped up when she was still in the fight, and way too long. She has that folksiness that Middle America likes.stjohn said:Nice bet on Amy, OGH. I followed you in a while back and staked £13 at 220 for her to become POTUS and £50 at 130/1 on her becoming the Democratic nominee. I’ve just had another £50 on her to be the nominee at 60/1 (Ladbrokes boosted price). She is currently 36-44 to be the nominee with Betfair and 80-100 to be POTUS.
A great time for her to get such a big poll boost. Let’s hope she has “The Mo”.
Go Amy!
She also does well on the ridiculous name factor that is so important in America.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/02/11/best-visuals-any-presidential-announcement/0 -
Brexit was a fuck the establishment vote not the country. Leavers think that leaving the EU will be to the country`s betterment.Nigelb said:
Both are f*** the country votes.eek said:
However, it could be exactly what Corbyn needs to win votes - remember for a lot of people Brexit was a f*** you vote and you've just said a vote for Corbyn is the same...Luckyguy1983 said:
How anyone who has complained (alot) about the economic drawbacks of Brexit, which worst case scenario is predicted to make us 'grow less', can vote to put Corbyn in power, is beyond me. Nothing to do with antisemitism, which I deplore, it's what they have confirmed they would do to the economy. It's not even like it's in any way hidden beneath a mask of bland Blairism. Nobody could vote for that unless out of revenge on the country, which is sad.Mexicanpete said:
What? With a vote magnet like Boris as the alternative.Gallowgate said:
I mean, I think I’m now voting Labour but I could wobble in the voting booth.Andy_JS said:Is anyone still undecided as to who to vote for tomorrow?
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Hes currently projected to win a majority, it is working what are you on about?Foxy said:
It just looks like buffoonery to me, from a man who has never done a physical job in his life.SouthamObserver said:
Johnson is pitching for the older, working class, male Labour Leave vote. He’s spent a lot of time donning the high vis jackets and other forms of working gear of that demographic. It’s smart politics.Foxy said:
Is he doing some sort of weird Generation Game thing where he has to play at doing every job, and make a hash of it for the amusement of the cameras?KentRising said:https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1204656798571139073?s=19
Boris in a Tory defence.
Some say that the LDs went too heavy on PM Swinson, but the Tories going so heavy on the clown cult of BoZo may have been a much bigger mistake. Hardly any other cabinet minister seems to have been on show, and virtually all the Tory stuff is about personalities rather than policy.
If it is smart politics, why isn't it working?0 -
Really interesting observation from Flanner below. I was going to post something similar about Ashworth but decided against.0
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Yes because the have not's aren't doing that well so see little point with the country carrying on as it was.Nigelb said:
Both are f*** the country votes.eek said:
However, it could be exactly what Corbyn needs to win votes - remember for a lot of people Brexit was a f*** you vote and you've just said a vote for Corbyn is the same...Luckyguy1983 said:
How anyone who has complained (alot) about the economic drawbacks of Brexit, which worst case scenario is predicted to make us 'grow less', can vote to put Corbyn in power, is beyond me. Nothing to do with antisemitism, which I deplore, it's what they have confirmed they would do to the economy. It's not even like it's in any way hidden beneath a mask of bland Blairism. Nobody could vote for that unless out of revenge on the country, which is sad.Mexicanpete said:
What? With a vote magnet like Boris as the alternative.Gallowgate said:
I mean, I think I’m now voting Labour but I could wobble in the voting booth.Andy_JS said:Is anyone still undecided as to who to vote for tomorrow?
And their scream from 3 years ago hasn't solved any of their issues (although being honest nothing anyone could actually do would resolve their issues)..
As I assume you haven't read the article can I refer you to https://unherd.com/2019/11/stoke-the-city-that-britain-forgot/ which I linked to here 3 weeks back0 -
My short-lived health kick included orange juice for breakfast until I noticed it contained more sugar than Coke. It is also stickier so I suspect worse for teeth.Luckyguy1983 said:
Here's some news that may distress you. All orange juice is full of sugar.timmo said:
That's orange juice not milk..and the orange juice you get from milk delivery companies is full of sugar.KentRising said:https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1204656798571139073?s=19
Boris in a Tory defence.0 -
Because Leavers have ben lied to.Stocky said:
Brexit was a fuck the establishment vote not the country. Leavers think that leaving the EU will be to the country`s betterment.Nigelb said:
Both are f*** the country votes.eek said:
However, it could be exactly what Corbyn needs to win votes - remember for a lot of people Brexit was a f*** you vote and you've just said a vote for Corbyn is the same...Luckyguy1983 said:
How anyone who has complained (alot) about the economic drawbacks of Brexit, which worst case scenario is predicted to make us 'grow less', can vote to put Corbyn in power, is beyond me. Nothing to do with antisemitism, which I deplore, it's what they have confirmed they would do to the economy. It's not even like it's in any way hidden beneath a mask of bland Blairism. Nobody could vote for that unless out of revenge on the country, which is sad.Mexicanpete said:
What? With a vote magnet like Boris as the alternative.Gallowgate said:
I mean, I think I’m now voting Labour but I could wobble in the voting booth.Andy_JS said:Is anyone still undecided as to who to vote for tomorrow?
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I certainly think that is true, the support from men bit. It isn't just a Labour thing though, it appeals to the self employed and those who have to get things done.SouthamObserver said:
It is. The Tories are on course for their best result since 1987, thanks largely to support from men.Foxy said:
It just looks like buffoonery to me, from a man who has never done a physical job in his life.SouthamObserver said:
Johnson is pitching for the older, working class, male Labour Leave vote. He’s spent a lot of time donning the high vis jackets and other forms of working gear of that demographic. It’s smart politics.Foxy said:
Is he doing some sort of weird Generation Game thing where he has to play at doing every job, and make a hash of it for the amusement of the cameras?KentRising said:https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1204656798571139073?s=19
Boris in a Tory defence.
Some say that the LDs went too heavy on PM Swinson, but the Tories going so heavy on the clown cult of BoZo may have been a much bigger mistake. Hardly any other cabinet minister seems to have been on show, and virtually all the Tory stuff is about personalities rather than policy.
If it is smart politics, why isn't it working?0 -
I think he really enjoys campaigning..DecrepiterJohnL said:Jeremy Corbyn: has he just recovered from some illness or is he botoxed up to the gills? He suddenly looks ten years younger, or at least two years back to 2017.
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I think SLab are seeing a resurgence. They are going to poll 20%+ and that could well dent the SNP just like in 2017.
I am inspecting constituency bets.0 -
Corbyn really needs to ask himself why he comes across so badly between elections. It's not the media, he gets plenty of bad press during an election.Gallowgate said:
Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.Luckyguy1983 said:
Let's not rehearse the Brexit argument again. Your own answer tells me (and you) all you need to know. Thankfully, there are many more people who will be voting with the country's best interest at heart, and you will have a lot of cause to be grateful to them in the coming years.Gallowgate said:
You guys are happy to inflict a ‘no deal’ Brexit in revenge so no sympathy from me I’m afraid.Luckyguy1983 said:
How anyone who has complained (alot) about the economic drawbacks of Brexit, which worst case scenario is predicted to make us 'grow less', can vote to put Corbyn in power, is beyond me. Nothing to do with antisemitism, which I deplore, it's what they have confirmed they would do to the economy. It's not even like it's in any way hidden beneath a mask of bland Blairism. Nobody could vote for that unless out of revenge on the country, which is sad.Mexicanpete said:
What? With a vote magnet like Boris as the alternative.Gallowgate said:
I mean, I think I’m now voting Labour but I could wobble in the voting booth.Andy_JS said:Is anyone still undecided as to who to vote for tomorrow?
You only have yourselves to blame.0 -
Whereas your more of s Strictly man ?Nigel_Foremain said:
I think "the public's fury" is a little overstated. Yes there are some Brexit obsessives that are furious, but I suspect the majority of Leave voters couldn't really care less. They are more interested in Love Island and X Factor.Stocky said:
Either that, or parliament should have declared the referendum advisory-only from the start and set it aside.argyllrs said:Does anyone think that if the Lib Dems had respected the referendum and we had left the EU, that they would be experiencing a resurgence and massively eating into Labour (and some Con) seats. Instead they could be back down to single figures if they don't win big in home counties/Surrey.
I think that remainer MPs have said that they "respect the result of the referendum" whilst doing all they can to undermine it, along with a complicit and vain speaker. The public`s fury over this duplicity will not be forgotton easily.
It`s all a bit of a shame.0 -
Yes, it is quite reassuring that Brownite Labour types like Ashworth are still at home in the shadow cabinet.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Look closer. The ruthless Stalinist purging internal dissent, suspending democracy, breaking the law, running an election campaign based on lies and evasion? Boris personifies all the horror stories we were fed about Corbyn. Too thick to understand his own policies? Well, everyone else thinks Boris has put a border down the Irish Sea.DavidL said:
I think I am with Jon Ashworth on this. Corbyn is not even close to being fit to be PM. He makes Boris look good. Think about that for a moment. He makes Boris look good. I mean, jeez.CorrectHorseBattery said:
This result would almost certainly lead to voting reform for a Labour minority Government. Works for me.DavidL said:
I think we've tried this for the last 2 years. It didn't work. Probably for the reason you have indicated.AlastairMeeks said:I reflected overnight on the election result that the country deserves (as opposed to what it will get) and concluded that it would look something like:
Con 310
Lab 251
SNP 45
Lib Dems 20
DUP 8
Sinn Fein 6
Plaid Cymru 4
Alliance 2
SDLP 2
Green 1
Speaker 1
Not that any of the politicians are anywhere near competent enough to deal with such a result.
And what is Boris's reaction to parliamentary scrutiny? To being overruled by the Courts? Reflection, repentance? No, he wants to restrict the powers of both. Everything we were warned about Corbyn, is coming true with Boris.
For all the talk of Stalinism in Labour, it is the Tories who have had the purges, deselections and cult of personality0 -
Anti semitism and Islamophobia both, she must have been busy. Probably derogatory about travellers next.Andy_JS said:"Tories open second investigation into Hastings candidate
Sally-Ann Hart faces inquiries over alleged Islamophobia and antisemitism"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/11/tories-open-second-investigation-sally-ann-hart-hastings-candidate0 -
Agree with your second sentence. Any half decent Labour leader would annihilated Johnson, Blair would have taken him to the cleaners. Brexit is the ultimate "self-indulgence" though. Tories that support it can reflect on the fact that they removed the best USP that they ever had; the party of business and the economy. The stupidity and economic illiteracy of Brexit has destroyed that. It will be very difficult for them to recover it.DavidL said:
Agreed. Its self indulgence of the worst kind.Luckyguy1983 said:
How anyone who has complained (alot) about the economic drawbacks of Brexit, which worst case scenario is predicted to make us 'grow less', can vote to put Corbyn in power, is beyond me. Nothing to do with antisemitism, which I deplore, it's what they have confirmed they would do to the economy. It's not even like it's in any way hidden beneath a mask of bland Blairism. Nobody could vote for that unless out of revenge on the country, which is sad.Mexicanpete said:
What? With a vote magnet like Boris as the alternative.Gallowgate said:
I mean, I think I’m now voting Labour but I could wobble in the voting booth.Andy_JS said:Is anyone still undecided as to who to vote for tomorrow?
Its worth considering how Boris would have done against Blair though. I think he would have been annihilated.0 -
Neither Johnson nor Corbyn are fit to be PM. The Tory campaign (and PB Tories here) rightly point to the many disgusting failings of Corbyn and say "DON'T VOTE FOR HIM". And they are right. Corbyn and those close to him are an utter disgrace.
Then you reverse the perspective. Look at the many disgusting failings of Johnson. Look to a future where being openly lied to is normal, where 1984 style truth become lies and lies become truth. Johnson lying perhaps even to himself about the nature of his "miraculous" deal and what it means for NI. Lying about hospitals. About nurses. About racism in his own party. Johnson and those close to him are an utter disgrace.
So with respect to some of the shrieking last night from biased people insisting their man is pure as the driven snow look at the failing of the bad guy could I refer you to Matthew 7:5? The notion that EITHER of the front benches should be in office is disgusting. The real mood on the streets is one of resigned revulsion not enthusiasm.
The best result - like with the EU - is the current result. A massively hung parliament. Labour cannot win any more than a couple of seats from the Tories at best. Their great hope is not to lose seats like Sunderland to the Tories. SO blue pants being shat were trollied in waste - Corbyn won't be PM and nor should he be. At the same time Johnson should not be PM either. If he has to remain so we need to mathematically bind his hands. No majority. No coalition partners. No succour. So if people who can't vote for Corbyn find themselves putting a cross in a Labour box to stop Johnson so what? It isn't a vote to put Jezbollah into office because that cannot happen.0 -
Because he's an utterly shit MP and Leader of the Opposition?kle4 said:
Corbyn really needs to ask himself why he comes across so badly between elections. It's not the media, he gets plenty of bad press during an election.Gallowgate said:
Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.Luckyguy1983 said:
Let's not rehearse the Brexit argument again. Your own answer tells me (and you) all you need to know. Thankfully, there are many more people who will be voting with the country's best interest at heart, and you will have a lot of cause to be grateful to them in the coming years.Gallowgate said:
You guys are happy to inflict a ‘no deal’ Brexit in revenge so no sympathy from me I’m afraid.Luckyguy1983 said:
How anyone who has complained (alot) about the economic drawbacks of Brexit, which worst case scenario is predicted to make us 'grow less', can vote to put Corbyn in power, is beyond me. Nothing to do with antisemitism, which I deplore, it's what they have confirmed they would do to the economy. It's not even like it's in any way hidden beneath a mask of bland Blairism. Nobody could vote for that unless out of revenge on the country, which is sad.Mexicanpete said:
What? With a vote magnet like Boris as the alternative.Gallowgate said:
I mean, I think I’m now voting Labour but I could wobble in the voting booth.Andy_JS said:Is anyone still undecided as to who to vote for tomorrow?
You only have yourselves to blame.
Great campaigner though. When he doesn't seem like he's just had a stroke.0 -
It's a simple task with a clear opponent and most of his internal squabbles go away for that period, of course he loves it.eek said:
I think he really enjoys campaigning..DecrepiterJohnL said:Jeremy Corbyn: has he just recovered from some illness or is he botoxed up to the gills? He suddenly looks ten years younger, or at least two years back to 2017.
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Yes, campaigning is the bit of politics that he most enjoys, and indeed advocacy for constituents down on their luck. It is the stuff in Parliament that he finds less interesting, the opposite to most MPs.eek said:
I think he really enjoys campaigning..DecrepiterJohnL said:Jeremy Corbyn: has he just recovered from some illness or is he botoxed up to the gills? He suddenly looks ten years younger, or at least two years back to 2017.
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Crossrail is a project of national importance and like 90% of the country I don't even understand exactly what it is meant to do except make travelling around London easier. What is the problem ? I ask because by God we need to know for HS2, HS 3/4 and the whole Northern Powerhouse. Do you think the equivalent of your concerns are even being considered re the reassessment of HS2 ?Casino_Royale said:Charles said:
That means it’s either (a) fixed; or (b) unfixableCasino_Royale said:On resigning club, I’ve already ‘resigned’ from Crossrail (2 weeks ago, as it happens) and am leaving that client after nearly 5.5 years. I may do a day or so a week there next year, but I finish there full time at Christmas.
I’m working on a new client for 2020, which may amuse some of you when I reveal it but I can’t discuss it yet.
We should be told!
I’ve just had enough.
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That's the Conservative manifesto you are thinking about.kle4 said:
Anti semitism and Islamophobia both, she must have been busy. Probably derogatory about travellers next.Andy_JS said:"Tories open second investigation into Hastings candidate
Sally-Ann Hart faces inquiries over alleged Islamophobia and antisemitism"
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the issues wont get solved overnight and nor will all of them get addressedeek said:
Yes because the have not's aren't doing that well so see little point with the country carrying on as it was.Nigelb said:
Both are f*** the country votes.eek said:
However, it could be exactly what Corbyn needs to win votes - remember for a lot of people Brexit was a f*** you vote and you've just said a vote for Corbyn is the same...Luckyguy1983 said:
How anyone who has complained (alot) about the economic drawbacks of Brexit, which worst case scenario is predicted to make us 'grow less', can vote to put Corbyn in power, is beyond me. Nothing to do with antisemitism, which I deplore, it's what they have confirmed they would do to the economy. It's not even like it's in any way hidden beneath a mask of bland Blairism. Nobody could vote for that unless out of revenge on the country, which is sad.Mexicanpete said:
What? With a vote magnet like Boris as the alternative.Gallowgate said:
I mean, I think I’m now voting Labour but I could wobble in the voting booth.Andy_JS said:Is anyone still undecided as to who to vote for tomorrow?
And their scream from 3 years ago hasn't solved any of their issues (although being honest nothing anyone could actually do would resolve their issues)..
As I assume you haven't read the article can I refer you to https://unherd.com/2019/11/stoke-the-city-that-britain-forgot/ which I linked to here 3 weeks back
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Or Andrew Marr or Nick Robinson perhaps?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Yes, if only Johnson had had the opportunity to answer some serious questions from someone serious like Andrew Neil...Charles said:
It’s a silly question and deserves a silly answerydoethur said:
If that isn’t a spoof it’s genuinely frightening.Fysics_Teacher said:
Are you sure that’s not from Private Eye?AlastairMeeks said:0 -
all the voters were lied toGallowgate said:
Because Leavers have ben lied to.Stocky said:
Brexit was a fuck the establishment vote not the country. Leavers think that leaving the EU will be to the country`s betterment.Nigelb said:
Both are f*** the country votes.eek said:
However, it could be exactly what Corbyn needs to win votes - remember for a lot of people Brexit was a f*** you vote and you've just said a vote for Corbyn is the same...Luckyguy1983 said:
How anyone who has complained (alot) about the economic drawbacks of Brexit, which worst case scenario is predicted to make us 'grow less', can vote to put Corbyn in power, is beyond me. Nothing to do with antisemitism, which I deplore, it's what they have confirmed they would do to the economy. It's not even like it's in any way hidden beneath a mask of bland Blairism. Nobody could vote for that unless out of revenge on the country, which is sad.Mexicanpete said:
What? With a vote magnet like Boris as the alternative.Gallowgate said:
I mean, I think I’m now voting Labour but I could wobble in the voting booth.Andy_JS said:Is anyone still undecided as to who to vote for tomorrow?
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At risk of causing faux outrage, I have to say that I don't do populist TV or politics as I find the former cringe inducing and the latter repulsive.Alanbrooke said:
Whereas your more of s Strictly man ?Nigel_Foremain said:
I think "the public's fury" is a little overstated. Yes there are some Brexit obsessives that are furious, but I suspect the majority of Leave voters couldn't really care less. They are more interested in Love Island and X Factor.Stocky said:
Either that, or parliament should have declared the referendum advisory-only from the start and set it aside.argyllrs said:Does anyone think that if the Lib Dems had respected the referendum and we had left the EU, that they would be experiencing a resurgence and massively eating into Labour (and some Con) seats. Instead they could be back down to single figures if they don't win big in home counties/Surrey.
I think that remainer MPs have said that they "respect the result of the referendum" whilst doing all they can to undermine it, along with a complicit and vain speaker. The public`s fury over this duplicity will not be forgotton easily.
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On the betting front, betfred have an offer running:
bet 10 pound on gen election, get a 5 pound free bet after it settles, plus an extra 5 free bet if turnout exceeds 65%
(read teh terms obv...)
https://www.betfred.com/promotions/sports/bet-10-get-up-to-10-general-election
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Was it and did it? The direction of travel was the UK on the outskirts of the EU whilst retaining a say versus trying to get outside the EU with a grade A mess.Alanbrooke said:
the issues wont get solved overnight and nor will all of them get addressedeek said:
Yes because the have not's aren't doing that well so see little point with the country carrying on as it was.Nigelb said:
Both are f*** the country votes.eek said:
However, it could be exactly what Corbyn needs to win votes - remember for a lot of people Brexit was a f*** you vote and you've just said a vote for Corbyn is the same...Luckyguy1983 said:
How anyone who has complained (alot) about the economic drawbacks of Brexit, which worst case scenario is predicted to make us 'grow less', can vote to put Corbyn in power, is beyond me. Nothing to do with antisemitism, which I deplore, it's what they have confirmed they would do to the economy. It's not even like it's in any way hidden beneath a mask of bland Blairism. Nobody could vote for that unless out of revenge on the country, which is sad.Mexicanpete said:
What? With a vote magnet like Boris as the alternative.Gallowgate said:
I mean, I think I’m now voting Labour but I could wobble in the voting booth.Andy_JS said:Is anyone still undecided as to who to vote for tomorrow?
And their scream from 3 years ago hasn't solved any of their issues (although being honest nothing anyone could actually do would resolve their issues)..
As I assume you haven't read the article can I refer you to https://unherd.com/2019/11/stoke-the-city-that-britain-forgot/ which I linked to here 3 weeks back
what the vote did was stop the direction of travel and force the politicos to reassess what was on their agenda
Granted it wasn't sold like that but that was the reality even before the referendum.
And it's been 3 years which means there has been enough time for these things to be resolved.
Cummings was also hoping that his campaign of Get Brexit done would win the Tories a lot votes from people that don't usually vote (and so don't show up on in polls). What happens if they have successfully get those people out voting and they go for the f*** the establishment Corbyn option.
As I've said for a while I've not bet on this election as it could be a Tory majority of 100 or a Hung Parliament and nothing the polls say changes that view.0 -
You make him sound almost appealing, and then one has to remember anti-Semitism, terrorist sympathy and neo-Marxist Venezuelan economics.Foxy said:
Yes, campaigning is the bit of politics that he most enjoys, and indeed advocacy for constituents down on their luck. It is the stuff in Parliament that he finds less interesting, the opposite to most MPs.eek said:
I think he really enjoys campaigning..DecrepiterJohnL said:Jeremy Corbyn: has he just recovered from some illness or is he botoxed up to the gills? He suddenly looks ten years younger, or at least two years back to 2017.
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Given how far behind and over budget Crossrail is, you're surely just the person for HS2.Casino_Royale said:On resigning club, I’ve already ‘resigned’ from Crossrail (2 weeks ago, as it happens) and am leaving that client after nearly 5.5 years. I may do a day or so a week there next year, but I finish there full time at Christmas.
I’m working on a new client for 2020, which may amuse some of you when I reveal it but I can’t discuss it yet.0
