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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 29,906

    Anyone have a link for watching the debate for those outside the UK? can't find it on Youtube streaming

    The BBC has it streamed onto its news pages
  • stodgestodge Posts: 7,636
    rcs1000 said:


    It's remarkable how little awareness there is of how many people died in terrorist attacks across Europe in the 1970s. If you go back further in time, you find terrorism has been with us a hundred years or so.

    In other words, there's no greater risk in dying in a terrorist incident now than in 2000 or 2005, and a lot less than in 1975. Yet the Internet has allowed us all to convince ourselves we're facing some unprecedented threat.

    Once again, the point is being missed.

    I'm not comparing terrorism to flying which has also become much safer since the 1970s because of technological improvements.

    Nor do I wish to exaggerate the sense of "threat" - I'll leave others to that. I don't feel any more or less "scared" than I ever have (apart from the days after 7/7).

    The point remains all we are doing, to use a medical analogy, is treating the symptoms rather than dealing with the underlying causes.

    I think Governments (not just ours) should be more about the latter which would alleviate the former and allow resources to be diverted to other areas.

    Regrettably too many see this as "too difficult" and cower behind their walls, cameras and sentences rather than seeking to engage with the causes.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 79,463
    Good positive start by Boris
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 2,240
    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    I presume the Tory majority price is being anchored by BMG.

    They have the lower bound on the Tory lead. If BMG are right we are in hung parliament territory.

    Alternatively, Opinium have got it right and there's going to be a landslide. Or nobody's got it right and Labour are going to win a majority.

    Nobody knows for sure, but the range of information available points to a moderate Conservative majority as the most likely outcome. And I remain to be convinced that the Neil faux outrage episode will make the blindest bit of difference.
    Exactly, the question I'm trying to answer is why is Tory Maj a generous 1.4?

    I can only assume it isn't lower because the polling range still holds out the possibility of a hung parliament. If BMG's next poll has the lead up, say, 2 points in would expect the price to steam in to 1.2 or lower.
    Perhaps punters are wary of polls?
  • FlannerFlanner Posts: 294
    franklyn said:

    I don't support the Labour party and wouldn't vote for them, but there is one policy which they may be correct on, their suggestion that public schools should be abolished. When you reflect on the fact that after six years at Eton, Boris cannot coherently string a sentence together, and can't speak for more than 10 seconds without telling a fib, you do wonder what damage that sort of school is doing to kids. After an expensive education the poor chap is virtually unemployable, except as a politician, where lies and deceit are regarded as virtues.

    I think this anti-public school argument is nonsense.

    Johnson's not at all unemployable: he'd have kept his jobs in journalism if his spectacularly dysfunctional father hadn't deprived him of any kind of moral compass. He'd have made an adequate estate agent or (in his day) client service person in advertising, the City or accountancy if he hadn't picked up (again presumably from his father, since lots of Balliol and Eton alumni do these jobs) the delusion he was above that kind of thing.

    It's not public schools (or Oxford) that have made him a monster. His sense of entitlement (and the reality of his mediocrity) are things he shares with his siblings Rebecca and Jo - so, again, are largely down to his father.

    There's only so much parental damage Eton can heal - which is why so many of its alumni are such stellar shits. As a rule, Eton's speciality is taking high quality DNA, badly undermined by inadequate but rich parents, and house training it.

    Some are beyond redemption.
  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,794

    Anyone have a link for watching the debate for those outside the UK? can't find it on Youtube streaming

    Oh never mind they are actually streaming it on bbc news website. checked earlier and it had said not available
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 79,463
    First question on Major and Blair's interventions and suggestions voters should support other parties
  • I've frittered money away on the buzzword bingo on Ladbrokes again. I blame the lack of opinion polls.
  • Byronic said:

    Really terrible

    Byronic = iCorbyn :lol:
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 12,495
    HYUFD said:

    Good positive start by Boris

    Same shite he's been spouting for a month.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 29,906

    Anyone have a link for watching the debate for those outside the UK? can't find it on Youtube streaming

    Oh never mind they are actually streaming it on bbc news website. checked earlier and it had said not available
    You’d have been very lucky if it was
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,067
    stodge said:

    rcs1000 said:


    It's remarkable how little awareness there is of how many people died in terrorist attacks across Europe in the 1970s. If you go back further in time, you find terrorism has been with us a hundred years or so.

    In other words, there's no greater risk in dying in a terrorist incident now than in 2000 or 2005, and a lot less than in 1975. Yet the Internet has allowed us all to convince ourselves we're facing some unprecedented threat.

    Once again, the point is being missed.

    I'm not comparing terrorism to flying which has also become much safer since the 1970s because of technological improvements.

    Nor do I wish to exaggerate the sense of "threat" - I'll leave others to that. I don't feel any more or less "scared" than I ever have (apart from the days after 7/7).

    The point remains all we are doing, to use a medical analogy, is treating the symptoms rather than dealing with the underlying causes.

    I think Governments (not just ours) should be more about the latter which would alleviate the former and allow resources to be diverted to other areas.

    Regrettably too many see this as "too difficult" and cower behind their walls, cameras and sentences rather than seeking to engage with the causes.

    How do you propose dealing with the causes? What even are the causes? Is there a country out there doing a better job of dealing with the causes?
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    Flanner said:

    franklyn said:

    I don't support the Labour party and wouldn't vote for them, but there is one policy which they may be correct on, their suggestion that public schools should be abolished. When you reflect on the fact that after six years at Eton, Boris cannot coherently string a sentence together, and can't speak for more than 10 seconds without telling a fib, you do wonder what damage that sort of school is doing to kids. After an expensive education the poor chap is virtually unemployable, except as a politician, where lies and deceit are regarded as virtues.

    I think this anti-public school argument is nonsense.

    Johnson's not at all unemployable: he'd have kept his jobs in journalism if his spectacularly dysfunctional father hadn't deprived him of any kind of moral compass. He'd have made an adequate estate agent or (in his day) client service person in advertising, the City or accountancy if he hadn't picked up (again presumably from his father, since lots of Balliol and Eton alumni do these jobs) the delusion he was above that kind of thing.

    It's not public schools (or Oxford) that have made him a monster. His sense of entitlement (and the reality of his mediocrity) are things he shares with his siblings Rebecca and Jo - so, again, are largely down to his father.

    There's only so much parental damage Eton can heal - which is why so many of its alumni are such stellar shits. As a rule, Eton's speciality is taking high quality DNA, badly undermined by inadequate but rich parents, and house training it.

    Some are beyond redemption.
    This is largely nonsense. Boris is an extremely able journalist, as a writer AND editor. He took the Spectator to historic new heights. Newspapers do not pay big wages to journalists for fun: they are ruthlessly capitalist.

    Boris made huge money at the Telegraph because he was good and brought loyal readers on board.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 22,820

    6.2 million. Or have we stopped counting?

    62,000 leftists furiously masturbating watching it on loop?
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    I was joking before, but Corbyn really IS terrible. He looks sad, tired and defeated. And old.
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    edited December 2019
    Corbyn's heart is not in this, he is lacklustre. looks like a defeated person.
  • The Guardian have noticed that the campaign might not be going entirely swimmingly...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/06/corbyn-still-plays-the-crowds-but-spirit-of-2017-remains-elusive

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/06/labour-divided-family-together-brexitland-remainia

    I expect Owen Jones will be along in a minute to shout at everyone about how well it is all going.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578

    Corbyn's heart is not in this, he is lacklustre.

    He looks beaten

    There are two seriously pessimistic articles on the Guardian website right now, from Corbyn cheerleaders who normally big him up
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 4,454
    This new habit of having more than one question at a time is a recipe for obfuscation and avoidance.
  • I'm refusing to watch the debate in protest against Boris not debating Andrew Neil.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 79,463
    Byronic said:

    I was joking before, but Corbyn really IS terrible. He looks sad, tired and defeated. And old.

    And this time next week he is likely to have resigned as Labour leader after a Tory majority and he knows it, he needed a barnstorming performance tonight to change things and so far it does not look to be going that way
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 5,777
    Early days but I have to say Boris is pretty good so far! Rather surprising.
  • So much better a format with decent to and fro, sensibly moderated. And no stupid audience applause.
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    Byronic said:

    I was joking before, but Corbyn really IS terrible. He looks sad, tired and defeated. And old.

    I posted before I saw this and I agree, he knows he is going to get a good shafting.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 29,906
    Bozo confirming Jan 31 exit - so no rush to leave before or on 1 Jan
  • RobDRobD Posts: 49,740

    So much better a format with decent to and fro, sensibly moderated. And no stupid audience applause.

    Thank gawd.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 5,777
    Byronic said:

    Corbyn's heart is not in this, he is lacklustre.

    He looks beaten

    Agreed.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 79,463
    Sandpit said:

    BluerBlue said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Andrew said:

    RobD said:

    Pretty graph.

    Last time the polls were this stable during a campaign was 2010, and they got it pretty much spot on (result +7.2%, average of final polls 6.9)
    Difference between then and now is that the Lib Dem seat count has broadly switched to the SNP count which makes it harder for Labour but easier for the Tories to get a majority
    Probably more for 2024 than now, but it does look quite challenging for Labour to get an overall majority of one without a big Scottish recovery. One for Friday morning if we’re not all surprised by a hung Parliament I guess.
    Except they may be forced to work out how to win in England again. IMHO Brexit makes Scottish secession more likely.
    Fair point. My instinct is we’ll get an orderly Brexit and it won’t come to that, but it might. And if does, then that has to be a very scary prospect for Labour.
    Even scarier for the rest of us. Do you think that perpetual Tory rule is a good thing?
    As long as Labour is this far left, abso-friggin-lutely!
    Indeed so! The only way Labour win an election is by getting natural conservatives to vote for them - as Tony Blair did in ‘97.
    Not natural conservatives as much as centrists, Blair got those, even Wilson got those, Corbyn is not on the whole
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 4,454
    They're wearing the same uniform!
  • Byronic said:

    I was joking before, but Corbyn really IS terrible. He looks sad, tired and defeated. And old.

    Byronic said:

    Flanner said:

    franklyn said:

    I don't support the Labour party and wouldn't vote for them, but there is one policy which they may be correct on, their suggestion that public schools should be abolished. When you reflect on the fact that after six years at Eton, Boris cannot coherently string a sentence together, and can't speak for more than 10 seconds without telling a fib, you do wonder what damage that sort of school is doing to kids. After an expensive education the poor chap is virtually unemployable, except as a politician, where lies and deceit are regarded as virtues.

    I think this anti-public school argument is nonsense.

    Johnson's not at all unemployable: he'd have kept his jobs in journalism if his spectacularly dysfunctional father hadn't deprived him of any kind of moral compass. He'd have made an adequate estate agent or (in his day) client service person in advertising, the City or accountancy if he hadn't picked up (again presumably from his father, since lots of Balliol and Eton alumni do these jobs) the delusion he was above that kind of thing.

    It's not public schools (or Oxford) that have made him a monster. His sense of entitlement (and the reality of his mediocrity) are things he shares with his siblings Rebecca and Jo - so, again, are largely down to his father.

    There's only so much parental damage Eton can heal - which is why so many of its alumni are such stellar shits. As a rule, Eton's speciality is taking high quality DNA, badly undermined by inadequate but rich parents, and house training it.

    Some are beyond redemption.
    This is largely nonsense. Boris is an extremely able journalist, as a writer AND editor. He took the Spectator to historic new heights. Newspapers do not pay big wages to journalists for fun: they are ruthlessly capitalist.

    Boris made huge money at the Telegraph because he was good and brought loyal readers on board.
    Boris was sacked twice for lying:

    In 1988 he was sacked from The Times over making up quotes by the historian Colin Lucas (his own Godfather).

    In 2004 he was sacked from the Tory Shadow Front Bench over lying about the Petronella Wyatt affair.
  • Johnson holding up better this time, less bluster. Corbyn looks like he's had enough.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 33,988
    stodge said:

    rcs1000 said:


    It's remarkable how little awareness there is of how many people died in terrorist attacks across Europe in the 1970s. If you go back further in time, you find terrorism has been with us a hundred years or so.

    In other words, there's no greater risk in dying in a terrorist incident now than in 2000 or 2005, and a lot less than in 1975. Yet the Internet has allowed us all to convince ourselves we're facing some unprecedented threat.

    Once again, the point is being missed.

    I'm not comparing terrorism to flying which has also become much safer since the 1970s because of technological improvements.

    Nor do I wish to exaggerate the sense of "threat" - I'll leave others to that. I don't feel any more or less "scared" than I ever have (apart from the days after 7/7).

    The point remains all we are doing, to use a medical analogy, is treating the symptoms rather than dealing with the underlying causes.

    I think Governments (not just ours) should be more about the latter which would alleviate the former and allow resources to be diverted to other areas.

    Regrettably too many see this as "too difficult" and cower behind their walls, cameras and sentences rather than seeking to engage with the causes.

    My view, and this is an unpopular one, is that there is no threat.

    Or rather, the threat is as it's always been. There will always be nutters who want to kill others on behalf of their ideology - whether Communism, Fascism, Islamism, national liberation, and perhaps ecological motives in the future. If you deal with Islamic terrorism, I suspect all you really do is move the nutters to the next cause.

    Fortunately, the number of people who want to die in a terrorist attack is incredibly small. (If it wasn't, there'd be more than about one attack a year.)

    In the US, there is an airline that performs no security checks. You just walk onto the plane. It's bliss. And there is - to all intents and purposes - no risk. I love it.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 5,777
    HYUFD said:

    Byronic said:

    I was joking before, but Corbyn really IS terrible. He looks sad, tired and defeated. And old.

    And this time next week he is likely to have resigned as Labour leader after a Tory majority and he knows it, he needed a barnstorming performance tonight to change things and so far it does not look to be going that way
    Agree with this. All about the future of the Labour Party now. Can we get rid of the hard left?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 79,463

    rcs1000 said:



    I like that.

    But while it undoubtedly helps, it doesn't solve the issue that the UK's population pyramid is biggest at the 50-54 point. That group is a third larger than the 15-19 age group.

    I agree. There will need to be a lot more creative thinking and a lot more acceptance that working life will be longer for our children than it was for our parents. I am already resigned to working well past legal retirement age but am fortunate in the fact that the work I do requires more mind and less body.
    While that helps I see my Dad, who was an actuary, and he's only 73 but his short term memory is deteriorating and he's said he doesn't have the mental agility he used to.

    How am I going to work to 75 if I can't do anything too physical and I can't do complicated coding either?
    Plus life expectancy is not rising much any more either
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 5,777
    HYUFD said:

    Byronic said:

    I was joking before, but Corbyn really IS terrible. He looks sad, tired and defeated. And old.

    And this time next week he is likely to have resigned as Labour leader after a Tory majority and he knows it, he needed a barnstorming performance tonight to change things and so far it does not look to be going that way
    Agree with this. All about the future of the Labour Party now. Can we get rid of the hard left?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 5,777
    HYUFD said:

    Byronic said:

    I was joking before, but Corbyn really IS terrible. He looks sad, tired and defeated. And old.

    And this time next week he is likely to have resigned as Labour leader after a Tory majority and he knows it, he needed a barnstorming performance tonight to change things and so far it does not look to be going that way
    Agree with this. All about the future of the Labour Party now. Can we get rid of the hard left?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 5,777
    HYUFD said:

    Byronic said:

    I was joking before, but Corbyn really IS terrible. He looks sad, tired and defeated. And old.

    And this time next week he is likely to have resigned as Labour leader after a Tory majority and he knows it, he needed a barnstorming performance tonight to change things and so far it does not look to be going that way
    Agree with this. All about the future of the Labour Party now. Can we get rid of the hard left?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 28,194
    BBC link for those wanting to watch online. Works abroad.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/election-2019-50683887
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 11,317
    Boris is just a liar. This is pathetic.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 5,752

    So much better a format with decent to and fro, sensibly moderated. And no stupid audience applause.

    Oh OK. I'm not watching, but have they actually binned the audience so Johnson and Corbyn can be heard above the cacophony of crap from the bussed-in party cheerleaders? A considerable improvement if true.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578

    Byronic said:

    I was joking before, but Corbyn really IS terrible. He looks sad, tired and defeated. And old.

    Byronic said:

    Flanner said:

    franklyn said:

    I don't support the Labour party and wouldn't vote for them, but there is one policy which they may be correct on, their suggestion that public schools should be abolished. When you reflect on the fact that after six years at Eton, Boris cannot coherently string a sentence together, and can't speak for more than 10 seconds without telling a fib, you do wonder what damage that sort of school is doing to kids. After an expensive education the poor chap is virtually unemployable, except as a politician, where lies and deceit are regarded as virtues.

    I think this anti-public school argument is nonsense.

    Johnson's not at all unemployable: he'd have kept his jobs in journalism if his spectacularly dysfunctional father hadn't deprived him of any kind of moral compass. He'd have made an adequate estate agent or (in his day) client service person in advertising, the City or accountancy if he hadn't picked up (again presumably from his father, since lots of Balliol and Eton alumni do these jobs) the delusion he was above that kind of thing.

    It's not public schools (or Oxford) that have made him a monster. His sense of entitlement (and the reality of his mediocrity) are things he shares with his siblings Rebecca and Jo - so, again, are largely down to his father.

    There's only so much parental damage Eton can heal - which is why so many of its alumni are such stellar shits. As a rule, Eton's speciality is taking high quality DNA, badly undermined by inadequate but rich parents, and house training it.

    Some are beyond redemption.
    This is largely nonsense. Boris is an extremely able journalist, as a writer AND editor. He took the Spectator to historic new heights. Newspapers do not pay big wages to journalists for fun: they are ruthlessly capitalist.

    Boris made huge money at the Telegraph because he was good and brought loyal readers on board.
    Boris was sacked twice for lying:

    In 1988 he was sacked from The Times over making up quotes by the historian Colin Lucas (his own Godfather).

    In 2004 he was sacked from the Tory Shadow Front Bench over lying about the Petronella Wyatt affair.
    Don't get me wrong. Boris is a liar, and a serial womanizer. and an unexpectedly bad public speaker, amongst other bad things.

    But to say he is talentless, or a crap journalist, is bollocks.
  • I have to say Corbyn looks defeated and unless something happens this looks like a win for Boris
  • Audience applauding Boris
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    Top point by Boris on Corbyn's support for a united Ireland.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 11,317

    I have to say Corbyn looks defeated and unless something happens this looks like a win for Boris

    You would say that though wouldn’t you?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 79,463
    Boris goes for the jugular, says he does not take kindly to being accused of risking the Union by a man who has opposed the Union his whole life and supported the IRA
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 11,317

    Audience applauding Boris

    Do you mean a few old leavers in the audience applauding Boris?
  • Boris rampant.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 5,777
    Boris shouldn’t have bothered with the IRA thing though. He was coming across as sensible and nonpartisan until then.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 4,454

    Audience applauding Boris

    tut tut
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    Why does Corbyn suddenly look about 87 years old? A slightly frightened and puzzled old man

    PEOPLE OF TALENT hahahaha
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 28,194
    People of talent! Bingo!
  • stodgestodge Posts: 7,636



    How do you propose dealing with the causes? What even are the causes? Is there a country out there doing a better job of dealing with the causes?

    I don't see why it should be up to me in isolation. This is, as I said earlier, a multi-layered multi-faceted problem involving and requires regional and indeed global co-operation.

    The radicalisation of some within the Islamic faith is perhaps the root cause - I don't know all the hows and whys but I think it starts with a change in tone within that faith to a more open-minded and less confrontational outlook.

    Progress and evolution can challenge some tenets of faith - not the moral ones but the more cultural and behavioural and what might once have been acceptable is so no longer. Perhaps it is that confusion of progress which has allowed some to find refuge in a traditional interpretation of belief.
  • I have to say Corbyn looks defeated and unless something happens this looks like a win for Boris

    You would say that though wouldn’t you?
    Don't you
  • I have to say Corbyn looks defeated and unless something happens this looks like a win for Boris

    You would say that though wouldn’t you?
    Corbyn doing well pointing out the Johnson bluff for once
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 29,906

    Top point by Boris on Corbyn's support for a united Ireland.

    Boris has done more for a United Ireland in one year than Corbyn in his lifetime
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 58,286

    And no stupid audience applause.

    People I will watch it on catch up after all then.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 11,317

    I have to say Corbyn looks defeated and unless something happens this looks like a win for Boris

    You would say that though wouldn’t you?
    Don't you
    Of course not. Corbyn is detestable but Boris is just a liar. He’s misleading the country and you are cheering him on.

    It’s a disgrace really.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 79,463

    HYUFD said:

    Byronic said:

    I was joking before, but Corbyn really IS terrible. He looks sad, tired and defeated. And old.

    And this time next week he is likely to have resigned as Labour leader after a Tory majority and he knows it, he needed a barnstorming performance tonight to change things and so far it does not look to be going that way
    Agree with this. All about the future of the Labour Party now. Can we get rid of the hard left?
    The future of Labour may depend on it, if Pidcock or Long-Bailey beat Starmer or Thornberry to replace Corbyn the LDs could fill the gap in opposition to the Boris Government, especially if Chuka wins Cities of London and Westminster and succeeds Swinson as leader
  • rcs1000 said:

    stodge said:

    rcs1000 said:


    It's remarkable how little awareness there is of how many people died in terrorist attacks across Europe in the 1970s. If you go back further in time, you find terrorism has been with us a hundred years or so.

    In other words, there's no greater risk in dying in a terrorist incident now than in 2000 or 2005, and a lot less than in 1975. Yet the Internet has allowed us all to convince ourselves we're facing some unprecedented threat.

    Once again, the point is being missed.

    I'm not comparing terrorism to flying which has also become much safer since the 1970s because of technological improvements.

    Nor do I wish to exaggerate the sense of "threat" - I'll leave others to that. I don't feel any more or less "scared" than I ever have (apart from the days after 7/7).

    The point remains all we are doing, to use a medical analogy, is treating the symptoms rather than dealing with the underlying causes.

    I think Governments (not just ours) should be more about the latter which would alleviate the former and allow resources to be diverted to other areas.

    Regrettably too many see this as "too difficult" and cower behind their walls, cameras and sentences rather than seeking to engage with the causes.

    My view, and this is an unpopular one, is that there is no threat.

    Or rather, the threat is as it's always been. There will always be nutters who want to kill others on behalf of their ideology - whether Communism, Fascism, Islamism, national liberation, and perhaps ecological motives in the future. If you deal with Islamic terrorism, I suspect all you really do is move the nutters to the next cause.

    Fortunately, the number of people who want to die in a terrorist attack is incredibly small. (If it wasn't, there'd be more than about one attack a year.)

    In the US, there is an airline that performs no security checks. You just walk onto the plane. It's bliss. And there is - to all intents and purposes - no risk. I love it.
    Hang on, they say on the website that they have "non-invasive hi-tech security".
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 1,294

    I have to say Corbyn looks defeated and unless something happens this looks like a win for Boris

    Brexit is Boris's most solid ground though. tougher areas to come.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,809
    Byronic said:

    Why does Corbyn suddenly look about 87 years old? A slightly frightened and puzzled old man

    PEOPLE OF TALENT hahahaha

    He's clearly not well, in my view.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 15,691
    Can this vacuous poshboy really be about to win a general election? Smazing.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 79,463
    IanB2 said:

    Top point by Boris on Corbyn's support for a united Ireland.

    Boris has done more for a United Ireland in one year than Corbyn in his lifetime
    No he has protected the Good Friday Agreement and avoided a hard border in Ireland while keeping Northern Ireland in the UK and out of the EU
  • Boris is just a liar. This is pathetic.

    I'll mark you down as undecided then
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    Boris has brought his A game tonight, on top form on the Nurses.
  • I have to say Corbyn looks defeated and unless something happens this looks like a win for Boris

    You would say that though wouldn’t you?
    Don't you
    Of course not. Corbyn is detestable but Boris is just a liar. He’s misleading the country and you are cheering him on.

    It’s a disgrace really.
    Perhaps you can explain how Corbyn claiming only the top 5% would pay more tax was not misleading the other 95%.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 11,317
    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    Top point by Boris on Corbyn's support for a united Ireland.

    Boris has done more for a United Ireland in one year than Corbyn in his lifetime
    No he has protected the Good Friday Agreement and avoided a hard border in Ireland while keeping Northern Ireland in the UK and out of the EU
    Except he hasn’t.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 29,906

    Byronic said:

    Why does Corbyn suddenly look about 87 years old? A slightly frightened and puzzled old man

    PEOPLE OF TALENT hahahaha

    He's clearly not well, in my view.
    He’s probably knackered. Fighting an election is serious hard work, even as a candidate, let alone leader.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,177
    Sandpit said:

    People of talent! Bingo!

    Haha thought he’d slip that in
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 79,463
    kinabalu said:

    Can this vacuous poshboy really be about to win a general election? Smazing.

    Yes, probably with the biggest Tory majority since Thatcher
  • Corbyn just looks done. He needs to be put out of his misery. Let him go back to his jam and allotment.
  • Byronic said:

    Why does Corbyn suddenly look about 87 years old? A slightly frightened and puzzled old man

    PEOPLE OF TALENT hahahaha

    He's clearly not well, in my view.
    Missing his afternoon naps in this campaign
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 29,906
    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    Top point by Boris on Corbyn's support for a united Ireland.

    Boris has done more for a United Ireland in one year than Corbyn in his lifetime
    No he has protected the Good Friday Agreement and avoided a hard border in Ireland while keeping Northern Ireland in the UK and out of the EU
    You clearly haven’t been paying attention.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 11,317
    humbugger said:

    I have to say Corbyn looks defeated and unless something happens this looks like a win for Boris

    You would say that though wouldn’t you?
    Don't you
    Of course not. Corbyn is detestable but Boris is just a liar. He’s misleading the country and you are cheering him on.

    It’s a disgrace really.
    Perhaps you can explain how Corbyn claiming only the top 5% would pay more tax was not misleading the other 95%.
    What has that got to do with it? Corbyn being a liar does not make Boris not a liar.

    It’s a disgrace either way.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578

    I have to say Corbyn looks defeated and unless something happens this looks like a win for Boris

    You would say that though wouldn’t you?
    Don't you
    Of course not. Corbyn is detestable but Boris is just a liar. He’s misleading the country and you are cheering him on.

    It’s a disgrace really.
    We're not cheering him on, we're cheering on the only sane option when the alternative is a Jew-hating, terrorist-hugging Marxist old git who would bankrupt the country.

    I do share some of your pain. Imagine what a Labour politician like young Blair or Ed Balls would do to Boris, if we had a time machine and they were given the chance. They'd rip him apart.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 58,286
    kinabalu said:

    Can this vacuous poshboy really be about to win a general election? Smazing.

    There's nothing amazing about it, the reasons he might (and probably will) are easy enough to understand. It's easy to understand Corbyn's appeal to millions too. Neither of those things speaks well of where the country is, at least in my opinion, but I'm always wary of being seemingly stunned by either of those bozos winning.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 11,317
    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    Can this vacuous poshboy really be about to win a general election? Smazing.

    Yes, probably with the biggest Tory majority since Thatcher
    Does not make your support of him any less of a disgrace.
  • humbugger said:

    I have to say Corbyn looks defeated and unless something happens this looks like a win for Boris

    You would say that though wouldn’t you?
    Don't you
    Of course not. Corbyn is detestable but Boris is just a liar. He’s misleading the country and you are cheering him on.

    It’s a disgrace really.
    Perhaps you can explain how Corbyn claiming only the top 5% would pay more tax was not misleading the other 95%.
    It’s not an either or with the lying unfortunately.

    You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones to concentrate on.
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,067

    humbugger said:

    I have to say Corbyn looks defeated and unless something happens this looks like a win for Boris

    You would say that though wouldn’t you?
    Don't you
    Of course not. Corbyn is detestable but Boris is just a liar. He’s misleading the country and you are cheering him on.

    It’s a disgrace really.
    Perhaps you can explain how Corbyn claiming only the top 5% would pay more tax was not misleading the other 95%.
    What has that got to do with it? Corbyn being a liar does not make Boris not a liar.

    It’s a disgrace either way.
    You sound a little rattled I'm afraid.
  • humbugger said:

    I have to say Corbyn looks defeated and unless something happens this looks like a win for Boris

    You would say that though wouldn’t you?
    Don't you
    Of course not. Corbyn is detestable but Boris is just a liar. He’s misleading the country and you are cheering him on.

    It’s a disgrace really.
    Perhaps you can explain how Corbyn claiming only the top 5% would pay more tax was not misleading the other 95%.
    This lot cheer on Boris regardless. They actually believe the bloke!
  • I'm not watching this debate.

    Should I bother?
  • HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    Can this vacuous poshboy really be about to win a general election? Smazing.

    Yes, probably with the biggest Tory majority since Thatcher
    Given how small Major’s was that’s not a high bar.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 11,317

    humbugger said:

    I have to say Corbyn looks defeated and unless something happens this looks like a win for Boris

    You would say that though wouldn’t you?
    Don't you
    Of course not. Corbyn is detestable but Boris is just a liar. He’s misleading the country and you are cheering him on.

    It’s a disgrace really.
    Perhaps you can explain how Corbyn claiming only the top 5% would pay more tax was not misleading the other 95%.
    What has that got to do with it? Corbyn being a liar does not make Boris not a liar.

    It’s a disgrace either way.
    You sound a little rattled I'm afraid.
    Of course I’m rattled. The country has gone insane.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 4,442
    edited December 2019
    franklyn said:

    I don't support the Labour party and wouldn't vote for them, but there is one policy which they may be correct on, their suggestion that public schools should be abolished. When you reflect on the fact that after six years at Eton, Boris cannot coherently string a sentence together, and can't speak for more than 10 seconds without telling a fib, you do wonder what damage that sort of school is doing to kids. After an expensive education the poor chap is virtually unemployable, except as a politician, where lies and deceit are regarded as virtues.

    There is no such policy in the Labour Manifesto. They ran away from the commitment - sensible decision.

    Such a decision would cost multiple billions net per year, and would remove much diversity from the education system - one of my own nieces had to be moved to an independent school as the state system could not prevent bullying or supply necessary support.

    That's leaving aside the approx billion a year spent on bursaries etc.

    They know that a more diverse system is better - much of Corbyn's circle sent their children there.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 2,240
    edited December 2019
    I am watching the Vicar of Dibley.. much more entertaining
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578

    I'm not watching this debate.

    Should I bother?

    Yes, it's intriguing
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 11,317
    The same one man clapping Boris.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 15,619
    About to start watching on Catch up.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 58,286
    Just flicked over briefly to the debate - is it me or is it super bright? Everyone looks quite sweaty.
  • About to start watching on Catch up.

    Worth watching, I'd say. Not like the last one.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 11,916

    Boris has brought his A game tonight, on top form on the Nurses.

    I misread that and thought you said "on top *of* the nurses". I would have switched the telly on except for 1) I can't remember how to switch it on and 2) I am on a train and my telly is nearly one hundred miles away.

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 29,352
    Corbyn just said they will “end student fees”

    Is this new?
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,809

    I'm not watching this debate.

    Should I bother?

    No. This is the first one I've watched and it's reminded me why I haven't bothered.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 79,463
    edited December 2019
    MattW said:

    franklyn said:

    I don't support the Labour party and wouldn't vote for them, but there is one policy which they may be correct on, their suggestion that public schools should be abolished. When you reflect on the fact that after six years at Eton, Boris cannot coherently string a sentence together, and can't speak for more than 10 seconds without telling a fib, you do wonder what damage that sort of school is doing to kids. After an expensive education the poor chap is virtually unemployable, except as a politician, where lies and deceit are regarded as virtues.

    There is no such policy in the Labour Manifesto. They ran away from the commitment - sensible decision.

    Such a decision would cost multiple billions net per year, and would remove much diversity from the education system - one of my own nieces had to be moved to an independent school as the state system could not prevent bullying or supply necessary support.

    That's leaving aside the approx billion a year spent on bursaries etc.

    They know that a more diverse system is better - much of Corbyn's circle sent their children there.
    Exactly and it would close some of the best schools in the world just as we are rising up the education rankings

  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 4,454
    Corbyn has a strange speaking tic of taking a breath before concluding a sentence. I've become more and more aware of it to the detriment of understanding the point he's trying to make.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 33,988

    rcs1000 said:

    stodge said:

    rcs1000 said:


    It's remarkable how little awareness there is of how many people died in terrorist attacks across Europe in the 1970s. If you go back further in time, you find terrorism has been with us a hundred years or so.

    In other words, there's no greater risk in dying in a terrorist incident now than in 2000 or 2005, and a lot less than in 1975. Yet the Internet has allowed us all to convince ourselves we're facing some unprecedented threat.

    Once again, the point is being missed.

    I'm not comparing terrorism to flying which has also become much safer since the 1970s because of technological improvements.

    Nor do I wish to exaggerate the sense of "threat" - I'll leave others to that. I don't feel any more or less "scared" than I ever have (apart from the days after 7/7).

    The point remains all we are doing, to use a medical analogy, is treating the symptoms rather than dealing with the underlying causes.

    I think Governments (not just ours) should be more about the latter which would alleviate the former and allow resources to be diverted to other areas.

    Regrettably too many see this as "too difficult" and cower behind their walls, cameras and sentences rather than seeking to engage with the causes.

    My view, and this is an unpopular one, is that there is no threat.

    Or rather, the threat is as it's always been. There will always be nutters who want to kill others on behalf of their ideology - whether Communism, Fascism, Islamism, national liberation, and perhaps ecological motives in the future. If you deal with Islamic terrorism, I suspect all you really do is move the nutters to the next cause.

    Fortunately, the number of people who want to die in a terrorist attack is incredibly small. (If it wasn't, there'd be more than about one attack a year.)

    In the US, there is an airline that performs no security checks. You just walk onto the plane. It's bliss. And there is - to all intents and purposes - no risk. I love it.
    Hang on, they say on the website that they have "non-invasive hi-tech security".
    Non-invasive, non-visible, non-existant high-tech security, to be precise.
  • About to start watching on Catch up.

    Corbyn still level then, no questions yet.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,177
    Corbyn going back to the 1940s. Ridiculous!
  • The same one man clapping Boris.

    I'm sure its the same bloke palace threw out last week
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