I haven't got TV and don't want to watch this anyway, so I'm following the comments here and at the BBC website. It seems to have been utterly boring so far. Has either of them done anything striking visually yet that pictures or clips of will get widely circulated?
Visually striking? Expecting Corbyn to do a handstand?
I am still waiting for the Walrus to fart in Boris's face.
Corbyn so much more sincere and thoughtful than Johnson. Such a contrast.
Corbyn just said his manifesto is "fully costed". And you allege he is sincere?!? lol
He is much better at appearing sincere.
He's better at appearing pious. And getting easy applause with virtuous piffle.
It makes him good at appealing to a crowd.
Winning over the audience won't help win the election though.
No, I expect not. Corbyn has talents as a campaigner and even as a leader - not that it makes him a good leader given he always starts out so far behind, but he couldn't inspire devotion like he does without some talent - but short of major movement right away, it's hard to see how he can 'win', and that's a win by getting a hung parliament not actually winning.
A lot of the "devotion" is tongue in cheek from those who respect him (as everyone on the left knows, he worked hard for decades as a campaigner without achieving high government or front-bench office), who dearly want a Labour government, and who know there is no alternative leader available.
Those who say he has a "personality cult" haven't looked properly either at him or at personality cults.
Not really though Corbyn is smashing Johnson which is good to see
I think I understand your model better now.
My comment is irrelevant to my model which is politically neutral. My comment was prompted by the OTT comments about Johnson smashing Corbyn. Objectively I think Corbyn has the edge in a thoughtful less bouncy way than Johnson. I think Robinson is doing very well.
There is one of these instant polls after this debate so humble pie will be eaten pretty quickly.
Looking forward to it. Can't find where to bet on it.
Not watching the debate deliberately so I could gauge comments on here. Not sure I have seen an unbiased take on proceedings so far from anyone but some of you really do need to try and see the world through none polarized glasses as it really is not quite as black and white as you paint it. It also is not actually such an earth shattering event whoever wins given Corbyn can only win with support of other parties. Johnson will have a 60+ majority labour will be sub 200, the problem is we don’t have a clue how either of those parties are going to react over the next five years.
Boris says voters can choose another hung parliament and 2 more referendums with Corbyn and Sturgeon or get Brexit done with him and more money for the police, schools and hospitals as his closing line.
A week tonight we are likely to be talking about a LAB leadership contest.
If this gibbering imbecile could win not one but two leadership contests, then I frankly expect the maddest, stupidest, most unlikely, incompetent and mendacious candidate to win.
Not watching the debate deliberately so I could gauge comments on here. Not sure I have seen an unbiased take on proceedings so far from anyone but some of you really do need to try and see the world through none polarized glasses as it really is not quite as black and white as you paint it. It also is not actually such an earth shattering event whoever wins given Corbyn can only win with support of other parties. Johnson will have a 60+ majority labour will be sub 200, the problem is we don’t have a clue how either of those parties are going to react over the next five years.
Well the Lib Dem legend Mr Smithson suggests Corbyn didn’t have a gamechanger
Well there was no game changer in that last hour and my goodness Nick Robinson is badly missed. Head and shoulders above most of his peers in the political media.
A week tonight we are likely to be talking about a LAB leadership contest.
If this gibbering imbecile could win not one but two leadership contests, then I frankly expect the maddest, stupidest, most unlikely, incompetent and mendacious candidate to win.
Boris says voters can choose another hung parliament and 2 more referendums with Corbyn and Sturgeon or get Brexit done with him and more money for the police, schools and hospitals as his closing line.
A week tonight we are likely to be talking about a LAB leadership contest.
If this gibbering imbecile could win not one but two leadership contests, then I frankly expect the maddest, stupidest, most unlikely, incompetent and mendacious candidate to win.
Lloyd Russell-Moyle, take a bow.
An LRM-Burgon dream ticket.
Blimey.
That would be a dream ticket for the Tories and Liberal Democrats.
Boris winner overall, Corbyn missed a couple of good opportunities to make Boris squirm. He should've quoted Boris letterbox and bumboy remarks back at him, would've had a stronger impact. Don't think it will change much, but I did think it was a far better debate than the various 7 party ones we've seen. Fewer participants is better.
Reading the comments, it seems there is something for everyone.
If the debate all ends in another score draw then that's the last potential banana skin dodged by Johnson before polling day. Although with the benefit of hindsight (i.e. seeing how the polls have behaved since Dissolution) it's possible that none of these set pieces has, or would've, made much difference in any event.
Unless there's a black swan then, for us anoraks, the one big event remaining is presumably the revision of the MRP on Tuesday night?
A week tonight we are likely to be talking about a LAB leadership contest.
If this gibbering imbecile could win not one but two leadership contests, then I frankly expect the maddest, stupidest, most unlikely, incompetent and mendacious candidate to win.
Lloyd Russell-Moyle, take a bow.
An LRM-Burgon dream ticket.
Blimey.
That would be a dream ticket for the Tories and Liberal Democrats.
They wouldn’t - couldn’t - mustn’t...
Could they?
Neither is a woman, so sadly this must remain a pipe dream.
I haven't got TV and don't want to watch this anyway, so I'm following the comments here and at the BBC website. It seems to have been utterly boring so far. Has either of them done anything striking visually yet that pictures or clips of will get widely circulated?
Visually striking? Expecting Corbyn to do a handstand?
Jez may have mooned the crowd? 🤮
Visual moves work, when they're done well. Netanyahu is a master of them. Everyone remembers his depiction of a bomb. Corbyn should have whipped out an elephant chart when Neil mentioned billionaires.
Corbyn's team improved their understanding in between the Andrew Neil interview where he flopped about with sheaves of A4 and the press conference a few days later when he held them up properly against a red background and had uniformed nurses and medics hand out copies.
Betfair’s Con Maj price still firmly stuck at 1.4, but Lab Maj into 40 (from 46). NOM 3.8.
Fucking lol.
Who is backing Labour majority at 40 now?!
I'd remortgage my house to lay it if I could in time.
I’m up to £750 of the 1.4 (well, various prices between 1.38 and 1.41 over the past couple of days). Debating how much more to add, now the last set piece is over.
I think tomorrow’s headlines are going to be the £20,000 figure from that debate, so Johnson didn’t mess up and there’s four days to go now.
Anybody betting on a LAB majority is barmy. Since losing Scotland at GE2015 the chances, even with a bright voter-friendly new leader, of LAB forming a majority government are miniscule.
That wasn’t too bad actually, Nick Robinson a much better moderator than expected.
Yes, I thought Robinson did well. He pressed both of them to focus on specific points they would have preferred to avoid without stopping either of them getting across the points they wanted to.
Probably a score draw overall, Johnson doing well initially on Brexit and surprisingly the NHS (i.e. the 4 day week point) but with Corbyn coming on stronger later in the debate.
A week tonight we are likely to be talking about a LAB leadership contest.
If this gibbering imbecile could win not one but two leadership contests, then I frankly expect the maddest, stupidest, most unlikely, incompetent and mendacious candidate to win.
Lloyd Russell-Moyle, take a bow.
An LRM-Burgon dream ticket.
Blimey.
That would be a dream ticket for the Tories and Liberal Democrats.
They wouldn’t - couldn’t - mustn’t...
Could they?
Neither is a woman, so sadly this must remain a pipe dream.
Is that rule set in stone or just a universal assumption?
Boris won that debate comfortably IMO. His opening and closing debates were especially effective. All Corbyn did was reinforce his economic ignorance and his abdication of leadership over Brexit.
It's killing Labour on the doorstep in the seats that matter - and there's nothing they can do about it.
Anybody betting on a LAB majority is barmy. Since losing Scotland at GE2015 the chances, even with a bright voter-friendly new leader, of LAB forming a majority government are miniscule.
Since they would have formed a government perfectly comfortably without Scotland in 2005 (which was after all the last election they won) I am not sure that that is true.
I agree that it makes their task considerably harder, but that’s not the same thing.
A poor start from Corbyn . One can see how he would much rather have fought an election after Brexit.
Got better towards the end . I thought his answers on security in light of the terrorist attack were quite good and measured.
I thought overall Johnson did a bit better than I expected. Apparently YouGov are doing a snap debate poll. I expect Johnson to win that but am interested in seeing what the undecideds thought .
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Those who say he has a "personality cult" haven't looked properly either at him or at personality cults.
No substitute for the proper grilling that he is hiding from.
Lloyd Russell-Moyle, take a bow.
For christ sake throw him a fish
These things are always frustratingly bitty, but that wasn't so bad.
voltage times currentuseless.It's clearly been coming up in focus groups that people don't like any of the rest of the Labour front bench either.
That would be a dream ticket for the Tories and Liberal Democrats.
They wouldn’t - couldn’t - mustn’t...
Could they?
But I don't think it will change the outcome of who will win this election.
Highest Corporation Taxes in Europe.
Apart from of course France ........
Unless there's a black swan then, for us anoraks, the one big event remaining is presumably the revision of the MRP on Tuesday night?
Who is backing Labour majority at 40 now?!
I'd remortgage my house to lay it if I could in time.
Just huge movements on the exchanges.
A draw for Boris was a win there.
Another hurdle cleared.
Corbyn's team improved their understanding in between the Andrew Neil interview where he flopped about with sheaves of A4 and the press conference a few days later when he held them up properly against a red background and had uniformed nurses and medics hand out copies.
I think tomorrow’s headlines are going to be the £20,000 figure from that debate, so Johnson didn’t mess up and there’s four days to go now.
Probably a score draw overall, Johnson doing well initially on Brexit and surprisingly the NHS (i.e. the 4 day week point) but with Corbyn coming on stronger later in the debate.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1203065333545877504
A win is a win is a win. I was right. Boris won.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Labour_Party_Members_of_Parliament_in_London
Basically someone like George Galloway, but still in Labour.
Boris Johnson: 52%
Jeremy Corbyn: 48%
via @YouGov
Representative survey of viewers
It's killing Labour on the doorstep in the seats that matter - and there's nothing they can do about it.
https://twitter.com/DilksChris/status/1203065710542540800
Not a leader.
I agree that it makes their task considerably harder, but that’s not the same thing.
Poll conducted by Peter Ian Staker.
Oh sorry slow me, it’s a referendum lol!
Got better towards the end . I thought his answers on security in light of the terrorist attack were quite good and measured.
I thought overall Johnson did a bit better than I expected. Apparently YouGov are doing a snap debate poll. I expect Johnson to win that but am interested in seeing what the undecideds thought .