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Indeed I am and I am relatively relaxed about that, though there is always room for improvement!isam said:
I tried to stop you making a fool of yourself and you threw it back at me. But it’s ok, you are what you areSouthamObserver said:
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Blinkered, prejudiced and ill mannered. Knows nothing about betting. A complete embarrassmentByronic said:
You need to ask yourself why you are SO desperate to think the worst of Boris, and Brexit, that it is literally warping your senses.SouthamObserver said:
I already have on here and here ...felix said:
Good for you - that's something Southam Observer will never doCorrectHorseBattery said:Fair enough I’ll hold my hands up that I’ve got it wrong
https://twitter.com/SpaJw/status/1202915568271134720
This isn't the first time you've made an embarrassing error by leaping to a false conclusion that best supports your prejudices0 -
Define Irony:, Boris Ali Kemal Bey Johnson, Priti Patel, Sajid Javed and Chinless/ No named Father Gove are now the gatekeepers to this ancient and powerful land. To keep people of colour out.-2
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No, it's worse than that, it shows a deep institutional bias against Boris, the Tories, and Brexit, A bias so ingrained they made a weird and massive error, and were UNABLE to see this, until it was pointed out, forcibly.RobinWiggs said:
Yes. They were too quick to rush out their supposed "gotcha" that they didn't do the most basic of fact checking. It just took one to listen with eyes closed to hear what was really said. Not the most sophisticated of techniques.Beibheirli_C said:For everyone shooting C4 News.
They made a mistake. They have now made a public apology. What more do you want? Public floggings?
For an idiot on twitter that would be par for the course; for a national broadcaster in the middle of a general election campaign it shows at the very least a massive error of judgement. More likely it demonstrates a lack of basic professionalism and due diligence in their editorial standards and processes.
They should be publicly flogged for that.
That's the clincher. The madness has got so deep, the afflicted do not realise they are demented.2 -
Last night's Newsnight was practically a PPB for the tories. Then they wheeled Burgon on, as if to prove a point.MarqueeMark said:
The only part of Sunday's Marr-crash that made ITN was Boris saying the 72 released terrorists would be put under further scrutiny. Ta!Byronic said:Worth pointing out that the BBC have made some deeply curious edits to TV news clips, which seem to favour Boris - so the bias is not entirely one way.
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SouthamObserver said:
Indeed I am and I am relatively relaxed about that, though there is always room for improvement!isam said:
I tried to stop you making a fool of yourself and you threw it back at me. But it’s ok, you are what you areSouthamObserver said:
Have to had a hearing test recently?0 -
You do realise what you've just done?melcf said:Define Irony:, Boris Ali Kemal Bey Johnson, Priti Patel, Sajid Javed and Chinless/ No named Father Gove are now the gatekeepers to this ancient and powerful land. To keep people of colour out.
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Have you studied the YouGov MRP? It's pretty interesting and convincing IMO.melcf said:Just trying to understand the voting percentages( from polls) and seats, with 2017 for comparison.
Tories at 44-42% seem at the same level as 2017 but may get 20-40 addtional seats!
Labour seem to be between 32-35% and will lose around 40 seats
LB at 11-15% seem to be picking up 15-25 seats.
Greens and Brexit(UKIP) seem static
One thing is clear, Labour has lost votes and LD have gained them.
Various scenarios
1) Tories have lost votes in London/ SE but regained them in the North( Leave labour)?
If Tories were to hold South/ Remania and gain North, then their percentage should have reached 45-50! So definitely Tories have gained some, lost some.
2) Labour has lost 5% , but where and to whom? Directly to Cons in the North or to Brexit or to LD in the South?
3) Individual Constituency polls seem to come from Labour areas, such as Grimsby and Wrexham. Wonder why these two were selected?? With landline polling of a very small sample. Off course they say the same, Brexit, hate for Corbyn at the doorstep and labour wall is crumbling. I heard the same in 2017 and the wall remained intact and even grew stronger.
4) Polls in 2017 downplayed Labour votes by 5%. Sections such as ethnics, students and non land line users were ignored. Have they repeated the same error?
At this time, in 2017 the talk was of a 400 seat landslide and Betfred 96% majority for Tories. I shall wait till the 13th, before I count me chickens0 -
This could be catching. Perhaps we could bastinado Sajid Javid for straight-out lying about trends in homelessness. We could pull out Boris Johnson's scrotal hairs one by one for continuing to assert that there will no checks on goods going between Britain and Northern Ireland when his own government's documents confirm they will.RobinWiggs said:
Yes. They were too quick to rush out their supposed "gotcha" that they didn't do the most basic of fact checking. It just took one to listen with eyes closed to hear what was really said. Not the most sophisticated of techniques.Beibheirli_C said:For everyone shooting C4 News.
They made a mistake. They have now made a public apology. What more do you want? Public floggings?
For an idiot on twitter that would be par for the course; for a national broadcaster in the middle of a general election campaign it shows at the very least a massive error of judgement. More likely it demonstrates a lack of basic professionalism and due diligence in their editorial standards and processes.
They should be publicly flogged for that.0 -
Nearly all will. Its perfectly common for people to talk about voting for Boris or Corbyn despite not being on the paper.CorrectHorseBattery said:These people know their ballot paper will say Conservative and not Boris right?
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Ha, ha. Bless you. I do know next to nothing about betting, it is true. But so what? It has not really held me back.isam said:
Blinkered, prejudiced and ill mannered. Knows nothing about betting. A complete embarrassmentByronic said:
You need to ask yourself why you are SO desperate to think the worst of Boris, and Brexit, that it is literally warping your senses.SouthamObserver said:
I already have on here and here ...felix said:
Good for you - that's something Southam Observer will never doCorrectHorseBattery said:Fair enough I’ll hold my hands up that I’ve got it wrong
https://twitter.com/SpaJw/status/1202915568271134720
This isn't the first time you've made an embarrassing error by leaping to a false conclusion that best supports your prejudices
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No, Southam is an OK guy. A mensch, of sorts. I have hopes he can be restored to lucidity, when his grief is abated, following the Boris landslide.isam said:
Blinkered, prejudiced and ill mannered. Knows nothing about betting. A complete embarrassmentByronic said:
You need to ask yourself why you are SO desperate to think the worst of Boris, and Brexit, that it is literally warping your senses.SouthamObserver said:
I already have on here and here ...felix said:
Good for you - that's something Southam Observer will never doCorrectHorseBattery said:Fair enough I’ll hold my hands up that I’ve got it wrong
https://twitter.com/SpaJw/status/1202915568271134720
This isn't the first time you've made an embarrassing error by leaping to a false conclusion that best supports your prejudices0 -
Even thick northern monkeys? C'mon now.kle4 said:
Nearly all will. Its perfectly common for people to talk about voting for Boris or Corbyn despite not being on the paper.CorrectHorseBattery said:These people know their ballot paper will say Conservative and not Boris right?
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You know you have f##ked right up when even James O'Brien is defending Boris....2
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9% does seem high to me too. It's very possible the model is just wrong.numbertwelve said:
I understand we might see an increase in tactical voting etc but I simply refuse to believe that the Tories need a 9% lead for a majority.rkrkrk said:Okay, time to cling desperately to straws. My highly unsophisticated model, which:
*ignore if not interested* just multiplies the vote for a party in all seats by the ratio of current national poll/2017 result, and then assumes 30% tactical voting from Lab -> LD and vice versa, and 10% from Brexit -> Tory....
*resume reading* reckons the Tories need a 9pt lead for the majority.
They could just miss it.
In fact I suspect that tactical voting has been a bit overplayed this time around. A number of people will vote tactically, as they do at every election, but there will always be a sizeable chunk who will vote for the party they want to, in spite of what Gina Miller’s website or a bar chart might tell them.
That said I don't think 30% tactical voting is crazy... at least in marginal constituencies where it might make the difference.0 -
Much as one would like to think a forensic interview of a political leader (or a political leader's refusal to submit to one) would influence the electorate, I doubt it would.
I remember a forlorn hope that an interview of Thatcher by Robin Day in 1987 might have some effect, but it was just a delusion.0 -
You posted this thinly veiled racism yesterday. Give it a rest.melcf said:Define Irony:, Boris Ali Kemal Bey Johnson, Priti Patel, Sajid Javed and Chinless/ No named Father Gove are now the gatekeepers to this ancient and powerful land. To keep people of colour out.
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Hmmmm..... It seems that Corbyn is not the only Messiah in this election.Byronic said:
No, it's worse than that, it shows a deep institutional bias against Boris, the Tories, and Brexit, A bias so ingrained they made a weird and massive error, and were UNABLE to see this, until it was pointed out, forcibly.RobinWiggs said:
Yes. They were too quick to rush out their supposed "gotcha" that they didn't do the most basic of fact checking. It just took one to listen with eyes closed to hear what was really said. Not the most sophisticated of techniques.Beibheirli_C said:For everyone shooting C4 News.
They made a mistake. They have now made a public apology. What more do you want? Public floggings?
For an idiot on twitter that would be par for the course; for a national broadcaster in the middle of a general election campaign it shows at the very least a massive error of judgement. More likely it demonstrates a lack of basic professionalism and due diligence in their editorial standards and processes.
They should be publicly flogged for that.
That's the clincher. The madness has got so deep, the afflicted do not realise they are demented.0 -
On the one hand, you have a direct assault on the nation's democracy in an attempt by a Prime Minister with no majority seeking to push through a policy that no one had voted for that would have generational effect. On the other hand, you have a swiftly deleted tweet. And you regard the second as more important.Byronic said:
Oh good grief. You too have lost any perspective.AlastairMeeks said:
Yeah, the news companies can start apologising after Boris Johnson apologises for his failed attempt to suspend democracy. I haven't noticed too many Conservatives getting worked up about the most serious assault on British democracy in all our lifetimes.ozymandias said:
And put the apology front of their news bulletin. Get Jon Snow to apologise personally.JohnO said:
It would be a modest start.Beibheirli_C said:For everyone shooting C4 News.
They made a mistake. They have now made a public apology. What more do you want? Public floggings?
When Brexit is DONE I do hope that people like you and Southam can return to the insightful and articulate people you were, before you went fucking postal
I think I can cope with you believing I have lost perspective.1 -
But this is a site about betting and politics, you know nothing about the former and are blinkered, prejudiced and ill informed on the latter. Why’d you bother?SouthamObserver said:
Ha, ha. Bless you. I do know next to nothing about betting, it is true. But so what? It has not really held me back.isam said:
Blinkered, prejudiced and ill mannered. Knows nothing about betting. A complete embarrassmentByronic said:
You need to ask yourself why you are SO desperate to think the worst of Boris, and Brexit, that it is literally warping your senses.SouthamObserver said:
I already have on here and here ...felix said:
Good for you - that's something Southam Observer will never doCorrectHorseBattery said:Fair enough I’ll hold my hands up that I’ve got it wrong
https://twitter.com/SpaJw/status/1202915568271134720
This isn't the first time you've made an embarrassing error by leaping to a false conclusion that best supports your prejudices0 -
15 degrees in London on 6th December. No sign yet of the bad weather that's going to disrupt the election.0
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Quite agree; it was indeed careless. Very careless. The duty editor should have known that even Boris wouldn't be that stupid.RobinWiggs said:
Yes. They were too quick to rush out their supposed "gotcha" that they didn't do the most basic of fact checking. It just took one to listen with eyes closed to hear what was really said. Not the most sophisticated of techniques.Beibheirli_C said:For everyone shooting C4 News.
They made a mistake. They have now made a public apology. What more do you want? Public floggings?
For an idiot on twitter that would be par for the course; for a national broadcaster in the middle of a general election campaign it shows at the very least a massive error of judgement. More likely it demonstrates a lack of basic professionalism and due diligence in their editorial standards and processes.
They should be publicly flogged for that.1 -
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Twitter should be restricted to people sharing slightly amusing videos of cats doing strange things. It's all it's good for.Andy_JS said:The problem with Twitter is that people respond too quickly, before the full facts are known. That applies to all sides.
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Oh dear. That probably requires a formal written apology to the PM.Byronic said:
Yes.Sandpit said:Hang on, this was C4 adding captions to something they uploaded later, rather than an automated live caption machine which screwed up?
I’ll take a wild guess that Boris has just come up with a new way of generating a couple of billion quid in asset sales next year.
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Thank-you - I do appreciate it. The trick is to separate the personal from the political. It's the not having control thing, I think. Watching the country slide into what you strongly believe is a preventable disaster because there is no-one capable of preventing it is very tough. I wish I were handling it better. It's not healthy. But on a personal level Johnson is undoubtedly going to be very good for me and my family. I imagine I will get used to that soon enough.Byronic said:
No, Southam is an OK guy. A mensch, of sorts. I have hopes he can be restored to lucidity, when his grief is abated, following the Boris landslide.isam said:
Blinkered, prejudiced and ill mannered. Knows nothing about betting. A complete embarrassmentByronic said:
You need to ask yourself why you are SO desperate to think the worst of Boris, and Brexit, that it is literally warping your senses.SouthamObserver said:
I already have on here and here ...felix said:
Good for you - that's something Southam Observer will never doCorrectHorseBattery said:Fair enough I’ll hold my hands up that I’ve got it wrong
https://twitter.com/SpaJw/status/1202915568271134720
This isn't the first time you've made an embarrassing error by leaping to a false conclusion that best supports your prejudices
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There is a difference.AlastairMeeks said:
This could be catching. Perhaps we could bastinado Sajid Javid for straight-out lying about trends in homelessness. We could pull out Boris Johnson's scrotal hairs one by one for continuing to assert that there will no checks on goods going between Britain and Northern Ireland when his own government's documents confirm they will.RobinWiggs said:
Yes. They were too quick to rush out their supposed "gotcha" that they didn't do the most basic of fact checking. It just took one to listen with eyes closed to hear what was really said. Not the most sophisticated of techniques.Beibheirli_C said:For everyone shooting C4 News.
They made a mistake. They have now made a public apology. What more do you want? Public floggings?
For an idiot on twitter that would be par for the course; for a national broadcaster in the middle of a general election campaign it shows at the very least a massive error of judgement. More likely it demonstrates a lack of basic professionalism and due diligence in their editorial standards and processes.
They should be publicly flogged for that.
Politicians make claims and statements in an election. It is the job of broadcasters to assess, analyse and report the validity of those claims. It is for electors to judge the veracity of the claims and propositions before casting their ballot.
When C4 make a biased cluster*uck like this it undermines the confidence in any of their content. That is the difference.0 -
No. Those making fools of themselves are limited to the following.glw said:A lot of lefties on here have made fools of themselves this morning. I hope they are feeling suitably ashamed.
(i) CH4.
(ii) Those who defended the BJ comments before the correction was known.
Think about it.0 -
A political purge of the media, universities and intellectuals? A cultural revolution with re-education camps? What could possibly be wrong with that?Byronic said:If the Tories win big, they really do need to take on the Blob, and fuck it up.
Sell Channel 4. Let Rupert buy it. Privatise the BBC, especially the news. Sack every quangocrat with a leftwing opinion. Gut the universities, rip out the commie parasites in academe. Suppress the Supreme Court. Do it all.
Brexit needs to be a total revolution, not just a change in trade and tariffs.
No need for Putin to come here, we will have our own Britain Putin.1 -
And so standards deteriorate.AlastairMeeks said:
Yeah, the news companies can start apologising after Boris Johnson apologises for his failed attempt to suspend democracy. I haven't noticed too many Conservatives getting worked up about the most serious assault on British democracy in all our lifetimes.ozymandias said:
And put the apology front of their news bulletin. Get Jon Snow to apologise personally.JohnO said:
It would be a modest start.Beibheirli_C said:For everyone shooting C4 News.
They made a mistake. They have now made a public apology. What more do you want? Public floggings?
Is the answer really to stoop to Johnson's level? I honestly don't know. I like Michelle Obama's, "when they go low, we go high" line. But is that naïve when facing the likes of Boris/Trump?0 -
Anyway, even though I want a HP to kill the Brexit calamity off for good, I just can't see it.
Tory majority of 25-75 seems very probable. Corbyn has been a disaster for Labour and the country. He has enabled the Brexit calamity to happen on his watch - he needs to pay a price for that!
Labour need a reasonably sane and sensible leader and even though he's as dull as dishwater it has to be Keir Starmer.
As for the future of this country post Dec 12th, it's bleak, very bleak.
Sad sad times...1 -
so whataboutery is a BAD thing - unless it suits you? If news organisations are to be part of rebuilding trust in politics then they need to report factually - this was a serious error from C4, especially at a time when politicians from left and right are claiming 'fake news' and bias at every turn - this legitimises their complaints and your style of whataboutism doesn't help matters.AlastairMeeks said:
Yeah, the news companies can start apologising after Boris Johnson apologises for his failed attempt to suspend democracy. I haven't noticed too many Conservatives getting worked up about the most serious assault on British democracy in all our lifetimes.ozymandias said:
And put the apology front of their news bulletin. Get Jon Snow to apologise personally.JohnO said:
It would be a modest start.Beibheirli_C said:For everyone shooting C4 News.
They made a mistake. They have now made a public apology. What more do you want? Public floggings?1 -
Jesus Christ!wooliedyed said:
You posted this thinly veiled racism yesterday. Give it a rest.melcf said:Define Irony:, Boris Ali Kemal Bey Johnson, Priti Patel, Sajid Javed and Chinless/ No named Father Gove are now the gatekeepers to this ancient and powerful land. To keep people of colour out.
It's racism now, is it, to criticise racism on the part of the descendants of immigrants?
How absurd can what passes for political discourse become?0 -
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and those publicly funded lobbyists known as charitiesByronic said:If the Tories win big, they really do need to take on the Blob, and fuck it up.
Sell Channel 4. Let Rupert buy it. Privatise the BBC, especially the news. Sack every quangocrat with a leftwing opinion. Gut the universities, rip out the commie parasites in academe. Suppress the Supreme Court. Do it all.
Brexit needs to be a total revolution, not just a change in trade and tariffs.3 -
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Don't bother - this place is full of right-wing bigots!Chris said:
Jesus Christ!wooliedyed said:
You posted this thinly veiled racism yesterday. Give it a rest.melcf said:Define Irony:, Boris Ali Kemal Bey Johnson, Priti Patel, Sajid Javed and Chinless/ No named Father Gove are now the gatekeepers to this ancient and powerful land. To keep people of colour out.
It's racism now, is it, to criticise racism on the part of the descendants of immigrants?
How absurd can what passes for political discourse become?0 -
You sound like Charles when you say things like thatSouthamObserver said:....But on a personal level Johnson is undoubtedly going to be very good for me and my family. I imagine I will get used to that soon enough.
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The Javid thing was downright sordid.AlastairMeeks said:This could be catching. Perhaps we could bastinado Sajid Javid for straight-out lying about trends in homelessness. We could pull out Boris Johnson's scrotal hairs one by one for continuing to assert that there will no checks on goods going between Britain and Northern Ireland when his own government's documents confirm they will.
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I'm a bit worried that I won't live long enough to see Brexit done!Byronic said:
Oh good grief. You too have lost any perspective.AlastairMeeks said:
Yeah, the news companies can start apologising after Boris Johnson apologises for his failed attempt to suspend democracy. I haven't noticed too many Conservatives getting worked up about the most serious assault on British democracy in all our lifetimes.ozymandias said:
And put the apology front of their news bulletin. Get Jon Snow to apologise personally.JohnO said:
It would be a modest start.Beibheirli_C said:For everyone shooting C4 News.
They made a mistake. They have now made a public apology. What more do you want? Public floggings?
When Brexit is DONE I do hope that people like you and Southam can return to the insightful and articulate people you were, before you went fucking postal1 -
You mean the You Guv, which was founded in May 2000 by Stephan Shakespeare and future MP Nadhim Zahawi, at the time both active in the British Conservative Party?Andy_JS said:
Have you studied the YouGov MRP? It's pretty interesting and convincing IMO.melcf said:Just trying to understand the voting percentages( from polls) and seats, with 2017 for comparison.
Tories at 44-42% seem at the same level as 2017 but may get 20-40 addtional seats!
Labour seem to be between 32-35% and will lose around 40 seats
LB at 11-15% seem to be picking up 15-25 seats.
Greens and Brexit(UKIP) seem static
One thing is clear, Labour has lost votes and LD have gained them.
Various scenarios
1) Tories have lost votes in London/ SE but regained them in the North( Leave labour)?
If Tories were to hold South/ Remania and gain North, then their percentage should have reached 45-50! So definitely Tories have gained some, lost some.
2) Labour has lost 5% , but where and to whom? Directly to Cons in the North or to Brexit or to LD in the South?
3) Individual Constituency polls seem to come from Labour areas, such as Grimsby and Wrexham. Wonder why these two were selected?? With landline polling of a very small sample. Off course they say the same, Brexit, hate for Corbyn at the doorstep and labour wall is crumbling. I heard the same in 2017 and the wall remained intact and even grew stronger.
4) Polls in 2017 downplayed Labour votes by 5%. Sections such as ethnics, students and non land line users were ignored. Have they repeated the same error?
At this time, in 2017 the talk was of a 400 seat landslide and Betfred 96% majority for Tories. I shall wait till the 13th, before I count me chickens
Who also got the 2017 election wrong?0 -
We don't always agree on things Southam- but from what I can see you are certainly not an embarrasmentSouthamObserver said:
Ha, ha. Bless you. I do know next to nothing about betting, it is true. But so what? It has not really held me back.isam said:
Blinkered, prejudiced and ill mannered. Knows nothing about betting. A complete embarrassmentByronic said:
You need to ask yourself why you are SO desperate to think the worst of Boris, and Brexit, that it is literally warping your senses.SouthamObserver said:
I already have on here and here ...felix said:
Good for you - that's something Southam Observer will never doCorrectHorseBattery said:Fair enough I’ll hold my hands up that I’ve got it wrong
https://twitter.com/SpaJw/status/1202915568271134720
This isn't the first time you've made an embarrassing error by leaping to a false conclusion that best supports your prejudices0 -
The revolution will start in 2024, comrade.Byronic said:If the Tories win big, they really do need to take on the Blob, and fuck it up.
Sell Channel 4. Let Rupert buy it. Privatise the BBC, especially the news. Sack every quangocrat with a leftwing opinion. Gut the universities, rip out the commie parasites in academe. Suppress the Supreme Court. Do it all.
Brexit needs to be a total revolution, not just a change in trade and tariffs.0 -
You might want to quickly clarify what you mean by thatmelcf said:
You mean the You Guv, which was founded in May 2000 by Stephan Shakespeare and future MP Nadhim Zahawi, at the time both active in the British Conservative Party?Andy_JS said:
Have you studied the YouGov MRP? It's pretty interesting and convincing IMO.melcf said:Just trying to understand the voting percentages( from polls) and seats, with 2017 for comparison.
Tories at 44-42% seem at the same level as 2017 but may get 20-40 addtional seats!
Labour seem to be between 32-35% and will lose around 40 seats
LB at 11-15% seem to be picking up 15-25 seats.
Greens and Brexit(UKIP) seem static
One thing is clear, Labour has lost votes and LD have gained them.
Various scenarios
1) Tories have lost votes in London/ SE but regained them in the North( Leave labour)?
If Tories were to hold South/ Remania and gain North, then their percentage should have reached 45-50! So definitely Tories have gained some, lost some.
2) Labour has lost 5% , but where and to whom? Directly to Cons in the North or to Brexit or to LD in the South?
3) Individual Constituency polls seem to come from Labour areas, such as Grimsby and Wrexham. Wonder why these two were selected?? With landline polling of a very small sample. Off course they say the same, Brexit, hate for Corbyn at the doorstep and labour wall is crumbling. I heard the same in 2017 and the wall remained intact and even grew stronger.
4) Polls in 2017 downplayed Labour votes by 5%. Sections such as ethnics, students and non land line users were ignored. Have they repeated the same error?
At this time, in 2017 the talk was of a 400 seat landslide and Betfred 96% majority for Tories. I shall wait till the 13th, before I count me chickens
Who also got the 2017 election wrong?0 -
If you dont think its racist that doesn't particularly surprise meChris said:
Jesus Christ!wooliedyed said:
You posted this thinly veiled racism yesterday. Give it a rest.melcf said:Define Irony:, Boris Ali Kemal Bey Johnson, Priti Patel, Sajid Javed and Chinless/ No named Father Gove are now the gatekeepers to this ancient and powerful land. To keep people of colour out.
It's racism now, is it, to criticise racism on the part of the descendants of immigrants?
How absurd can what passes for political discourse become?0 -
And pretty much straight away got Labour supporting Peter Kellner on board, who was chairman until 2017.melcf said:
You mean the You Guv, which was founded in May 2000 by Stephan Shakespeare and future MP Nadhim Zahawi, at the time both active in the British Conservative Party?Andy_JS said:
Have you studied the YouGov MRP? It's pretty interesting and convincing IMO.melcf said:Just trying to understand the voting percentages( from polls) and seats, with 2017 for comparison.
Tories at 44-42% seem at the same level as 2017 but may get 20-40 addtional seats!
Labour seem to be between 32-35% and will lose around 40 seats
LB at 11-15% seem to be picking up 15-25 seats.
Greens and Brexit(UKIP) seem static
One thing is clear, Labour has lost votes and LD have gained them.
Various scenarios
1) Tories have lost votes in London/ SE but regained them in the North( Leave labour)?
If Tories were to hold South/ Remania and gain North, then their percentage should have reached 45-50! So definitely Tories have gained some, lost some.
2) Labour has lost 5% , but where and to whom? Directly to Cons in the North or to Brexit or to LD in the South?
3) Individual Constituency polls seem to come from Labour areas, such as Grimsby and Wrexham. Wonder why these two were selected?? With landline polling of a very small sample. Off course they say the same, Brexit, hate for Corbyn at the doorstep and labour wall is crumbling. I heard the same in 2017 and the wall remained intact and even grew stronger.
4) Polls in 2017 downplayed Labour votes by 5%. Sections such as ethnics, students and non land line users were ignored. Have they repeated the same error?
At this time, in 2017 the talk was of a 400 seat landslide and Betfred 96% majority for Tories. I shall wait till the 13th, before I count me chickens
Who also got the 2017 election wrong?
Nobody think YouGov is bias. It is a business out to make money, which relies on being able to claim accurate polling abilities.
God the astroturfers at GE time are useless.1 -
Just like the referendum, Labour must becareful of the non London Asian vote.
They might not be as solidly pro Labour as people think. "I'm with Boris now".
https://mobile.twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/12028848906449960960 -
on the bright side perhaps Starmer will clear out the stablesmurali_s said:Anyway, even though I want a HP to kill the Brexit calamity off for good, I just can't see it.
Tory majority of 25-75 seems very probable. Corbyn has been a disaster for Labour and the country. He has enabled the Brexit calamity to happen on his watch - he needs to pay a price for that!
Labour need a reasonably sane and sensible leader and even though he's as dull as dishwater it has to be Keir Starmer.
As for the future of this country post Dec 12th, it's bleak, very bleak.
Sad sad times...
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If you are being downright dishonest as a matter of practice, as the Conservatives currently are, then you have no moral standing to complain about the mistakes of others. Motes and beams.RobinWiggs said:
There is a difference.AlastairMeeks said:
This could be catching. Perhaps we could bastinado Sajid Javid for straight-out lying about trends in homelessness. We could pull out Boris Johnson's scrotal hairs one by one for continuing to assert that there will no checks on goods going between Britain and Northern Ireland when his own government's documents confirm they will.RobinWiggs said:
Yes. They were too quick to rush out their supposed "gotcha" that they didn't do the most basic of fact checking. It just took one to listen with eyes closed to hear what was really said. Not the most sophisticated of techniques.Beibheirli_C said:For everyone shooting C4 News.
They made a mistake. They have now made a public apology. What more do you want? Public floggings?
For an idiot on twitter that would be par for the course; for a national broadcaster in the middle of a general election campaign it shows at the very least a massive error of judgement. More likely it demonstrates a lack of basic professionalism and due diligence in their editorial standards and processes.
They should be publicly flogged for that.
Politicians make claims and statements in an election. It is the job of broadcasters to assess, analyse and report the validity of those claims. It is for electors to judge the veracity of the claims and propositions before casting their ballot.
When C4 make a biased cluster*uck like this it undermines the confidence in any of their content. That is the difference.1 -
Thank-you - but I am not sure my kids would agree!!Floater said:
We don't always agree on things Southam- but from what I can see you are certainly not an embarrasmentSouthamObserver said:
Ha, ha. Bless you. I do know next to nothing about betting, it is true. But so what? It has not really held me back.isam said:
Blinkered, prejudiced and ill mannered. Knows nothing about betting. A complete embarrassmentByronic said:
You need to ask yourself why you are SO desperate to think the worst of Boris, and Brexit, that it is literally warping your senses.SouthamObserver said:
I already have on here and here ...felix said:
Good for you - that's something Southam Observer will never doCorrectHorseBattery said:Fair enough I’ll hold my hands up that I’ve got it wrong
https://twitter.com/SpaJw/status/1202915568271134720
This isn't the first time you've made an embarrassing error by leaping to a false conclusion that best supports your prejudices
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Channel 4 are making a good case to have their licence revoked after the election.1
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I remember the "red triangle" late night films too!Andy_JS said:Channel 4 used to be required viewing in the 80s and early/mid 90s when it used to show cutting edge programmes with material that often couldn't be viewed anywhere else.
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You really have been driven bonkers by Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:
If you are being downright dishonest as a matter of practice, as the Conservatives currently are, then you have no moral standing to complain about the mistakes of others. Motes and beams.RobinWiggs said:
There is a difference.AlastairMeeks said:
This could be catching. Perhaps we could bastinado Sajid Javid for straight-out lying about trends in homelessness. We could pull out Boris Johnson's scrotal hairs one by one for continuing to assert that there will no checks on goods going between Britain and Northern Ireland when his own government's documents confirm they will.RobinWiggs said:
Yes. They were too quick to rush out their supposed "gotcha" that they didn't do the most basic of fact checking. It just took one to listen with eyes closed to hear what was really said. Not the most sophisticated of techniques.Beibheirli_C said:For everyone shooting C4 News.
They made a mistake. They have now made a public apology. What more do you want? Public floggings?
For an idiot on twitter that would be par for the course; for a national broadcaster in the middle of a general election campaign it shows at the very least a massive error of judgement. More likely it demonstrates a lack of basic professionalism and due diligence in their editorial standards and processes.
They should be publicly flogged for that.
Politicians make claims and statements in an election. It is the job of broadcasters to assess, analyse and report the validity of those claims. It is for electors to judge the veracity of the claims and propositions before casting their ballot.
When C4 make a biased cluster*uck like this it undermines the confidence in any of their content. That is the difference.1 -
Criticising YouGov as pro Tory is one of the dumbest and most ridiculous criticisms I see0
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You guv in 2017 mentioned City of Chester as an easy Tory victory, when clearly the word from the ground was different. Most odds were 5/1 on Labour.melcf said:
You mean the You Guv, which was founded in May 2000 by Stephan Shakespeare and future MP Nadhim Zahawi, at the time both active in the British Conservative Party?Andy_JS said:
Have you studied the YouGov MRP? It's pretty interesting and convincing IMO.melcf said:Just trying to understand the voting percentages( from polls) and seats, with 2017 for comparison.
Tories at 44-42% seem at the same level as 2017 but may get 20-40 addtional seats!
Labour seem to be between 32-35% and will lose around 40 seats
LB at 11-15% seem to be picking up 15-25 seats.
Greens and Brexit(UKIP) seem static
One thing is clear, Labour has lost votes and LD have gained them.
Various scenarios
1) Tories have lost votes in London/ SE but regained them in the North( Leave labour)?
If Tories were to hold South/ Remania and gain North, then their percentage should have reached 45-50! So definitely Tories have gained some, lost some.
2) Labour has lost 5% , but where and to whom? Directly to Cons in the North or to Brexit or to LD in the South?
3) Individual Constituency polls seem to come from Labour areas, such as Grimsby and Wrexham. Wonder why these two were selected?? With landline polling of a very small sample. Off course they say the same, Brexit, hate for Corbyn at the doorstep and labour wall is crumbling. I heard the same in 2017 and the wall remained intact and even grew stronger.
4) Polls in 2017 downplayed Labour votes by 5%. Sections such as ethnics, students and non land line users were ignored. Have they repeated the same error?
At this time, in 2017 the talk was of a 400 seat landslide and Betfred 96% majority for Tories. I shall wait till the 13th, before I count me chickens
Who also got the 2017 election wrong?
Same manner, You Guv says Lincoln is a Tory lead. When the word on the ground is that Karen Lee Labour is leading and people cannot stand the pompous prik Tory candidate. So I doubt their way of polling.-1 -
I'm sceptical of wider impact but his excuse is pathetic and supporters have been honest about the real reasons. As you say an interview would not have been that damaging, what an unnecessary mess.Casino_Royale said:
Worse. Boris could prep and ride out the interview and no-one would care.CarlottaVance said:
As much damage as doing the interview might do?Casino_Royale said:
It’s utterly stupid and is going to seriously damage him.MaxPB said:Hmm, vox pops from the office - the line about Boris having to face up to Putin and not willing to face up to Brillo is hurting. The rest people don't care about it's "politics" but that line is hurting Bozza.
Sure, opposition activists would share a few clips of Boris squirming but it wouldn’t shift anything.
On the other hand being frit is something everyone understands and no-one respects.0 -
This cycle of vengeance against Channel 4 is very old. Channel 4 news is really only what remains of an intellectually ambitious channel, having been commercialised to oblivion by the Tories for providing both cultural and political alternatives.nunu2 said:Channel 4 are making a good case to have their licence revoked after the election.
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Tin foil hat alertmelcf said:
You mean the You Guv, which was founded in May 2000 by Stephan Shakespeare and future MP Nadhim Zahawi, at the time both active in the British Conservative Party?Andy_JS said:
Have you studied the YouGov MRP? It's pretty interesting and convincing IMO.melcf said:Just trying to understand the voting percentages( from polls) and seats, with 2017 for comparison.
Tories at 44-42% seem at the same level as 2017 but may get 20-40 addtional seats!
Labour seem to be between 32-35% and will lose around 40 seats
LB at 11-15% seem to be picking up 15-25 seats.
Greens and Brexit(UKIP) seem static
One thing is clear, Labour has lost votes and LD have gained them.
Various scenarios
1) Tories have lost votes in London/ SE but regained them in the North( Leave labour)?
If Tories were to hold South/ Remania and gain North, then their percentage should have reached 45-50! So definitely Tories have gained some, lost some.
2) Labour has lost 5% , but where and to whom? Directly to Cons in the North or to Brexit or to LD in the South?
3) Individual Constituency polls seem to come from Labour areas, such as Grimsby and Wrexham. Wonder why these two were selected?? With landline polling of a very small sample. Off course they say the same, Brexit, hate for Corbyn at the doorstep and labour wall is crumbling. I heard the same in 2017 and the wall remained intact and even grew stronger.
4) Polls in 2017 downplayed Labour votes by 5%. Sections such as ethnics, students and non land line users were ignored. Have they repeated the same error?
At this time, in 2017 the talk was of a 400 seat landslide and Betfred 96% majority for Tories. I shall wait till the 13th, before I count me chickens
Who also got the 2017 election wrong?0 -
God knows! But I do.isam said:
But this is a site about betting and politics, you know nothing about the former and are blinkered, prejudiced and ill informed on the latter. Why’d you bother?SouthamObserver said:
Ha, ha. Bless you. I do know next to nothing about betting, it is true. But so what? It has not really held me back.isam said:
Blinkered, prejudiced and ill mannered. Knows nothing about betting. A complete embarrassmentByronic said:
You need to ask yourself why you are SO desperate to think the worst of Boris, and Brexit, that it is literally warping your senses.SouthamObserver said:
I already have on here and here ...felix said:
Good for you - that's something Southam Observer will never doCorrectHorseBattery said:Fair enough I’ll hold my hands up that I’ve got it wrong
https://twitter.com/SpaJw/status/1202915568271134720
This isn't the first time you've made an embarrassing error by leaping to a false conclusion that best supports your prejudices
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Case solved.melcf said:
You guv in 2017 mentioned City of Chester as an easy Tory victory, when clearly the word from the ground was different. Most odds were 5/1 on Labour.melcf said:
You mean the You Guv, which was founded in May 2000 by Stephan Shakespeare and future MP Nadhim Zahawi, at the time both active in the British Conservative Party?Andy_JS said:
Have you studied the YouGov MRP? It's pretty interesting and convincing IMO.melcf said:Just trying to understand the voting percentages( from polls) and seats, with 2017 for comparison.
Tories at 44-42% seem at the same level as 2017 but may get 20-40 addtional seats!
Labour seem to be between 32-35% and will lose around 40 seats
LB at 11-15% seem to be picking up 15-25 seats.
Greens and Brexit(UKIP) seem static
One thing is clear, Labour has lost votes and LD have gained them.
Various scenarios
1) Tories have lost votes in London/ SE but regained them in the North( Leave labour)?
If Tories were to hold South/ Remania and gain North, then their percentage should have reached 45-50! So definitely Tories have gained some, lost some.
2) Labour has lost 5% , but where and to whom? Directly to Cons in the North or to Brexit or to LD in the South?
3) Individual Constituency polls seem to come from Labour areas, such as Grimsby and Wrexham. Wonder why these two were selected?? With landline polling of a very small sample. Off course they say the same, Brexit, hate for Corbyn at the doorstep and labour wall is crumbling. I heard the same in 2017 and the wall remained intact and even grew stronger.
4) Polls in 2017 downplayed Labour votes by 5%. Sections such as ethnics, students and non land line users were ignored. Have they repeated the same error?
At this time, in 2017 the talk was of a 400 seat landslide and Betfred 96% majority for Tories. I shall wait till the 13th, before I count me chickens
Who also got the 2017 election wrong?
Same manner, You Guv says Lincoln is a Tory lead. When the word on the ground is that Karen Lee Labour is leading and people cannot stand the pompous prik Tory candidate. So I doubt their way of polling.0 -
Worry about the big stuff. Democracy in this country is under threat and it is under threat from the party currently hot favourites to get an overall majority. It has already suffered a direct assault by that party while it did not control Parliament. Give it more power and it will take more steps to dismantle the constitutional checks and balances. Things can only get worse.kingbongo said:
so whataboutery is a BAD thing - unless it suits you? If news organisations are to be part of rebuilding trust in politics then they need to report factually - this was a serious error from C4, especially at a time when politicians from left and right are claiming 'fake news' and bias at every turn - this legitimises their complaints and your style of whataboutism doesn't help matters.AlastairMeeks said:
Yeah, the news companies can start apologising after Boris Johnson apologises for his failed attempt to suspend democracy. I haven't noticed too many Conservatives getting worked up about the most serious assault on British democracy in all our lifetimes.ozymandias said:
And put the apology front of their news bulletin. Get Jon Snow to apologise personally.JohnO said:
It would be a modest start.Beibheirli_C said:For everyone shooting C4 News.
They made a mistake. They have now made a public apology. What more do you want? Public floggings?
And meanwhile you worry about a tweet.1 -
If we're going to be fraternal on PB (it makes a nice change) then I happily confess I am in the same boat, though I maybe realised my problem a bit earlier than you. A few months back I noticed I was making errors of judgement, that were born of my contempt for Corbyn and my dislike of Remainer elitism.SouthamObserver said:
Thank-you - I do appreciate it. The trick is to separate the personal from the political. It's the not having control thing, I think. Watching the country slide into what you strongly believe is a preventable disaster because there is no-one capable of preventing it is very tough. I wish I were handling it better. It's not healthy. But on a personal level Johnson is undoubtedly going to be very good for me and my family. I imagine I will get used to that soon enough.Byronic said:
No, Southam is an OK guy. A mensch, of sorts. I have hopes he can be restored to lucidity, when his grief is abated, following the Boris landslide.isam said:
Blinkered, prejudiced and ill mannered. Knows nothing about betting. A complete embarrassmentByronic said:
You need to ask yourself why you are SO desperate to think the worst of Boris, and Brexit, that it is literally warping your senses.SouthamObserver said:
I already have on here and here ...felix said:
Good for you - that's something Southam Observer will never doCorrectHorseBattery said:Fair enough I’ll hold my hands up that I’ve got it wrong
https://twitter.com/SpaJw/status/1202915568271134720
This isn't the first time you've made an embarrassing error by leaping to a false conclusion that best supports your prejudices
Since then I have striven to address my bias. But we are all a work in progress.
Incidentally, there are already signs that Brexit might not be as bad as you fear. For the first time in years, London property prices are perking up.
https://www.ft.com/content/f85e6602-f005-11e9-a55a-30afa498db1b
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/london-house-prices-show-the-first-signs-of-recovery-2ffvb8blm
I reckon there is a lot of pent-up investment waiting to come to Britain (because we are still seen as stable, despite Brexit and Corbyn, because stability is RELATIVE - i.e. Brexit is a mess but it's better than Hong Kong's riots).
If and when Boris wins a decent majority, I expect the economy to pick up pace.
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Any news on when we might expect panelbase? Tempted to update the graph.0
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"We're going to build a wall, and make Channel 4 pay for it!"Sandpit said:
Oh dear. That probably requires a formal written apology to the PM.Byronic said:
Yes.Sandpit said:Hang on, this was C4 adding captions to something they uploaded later, rather than an automated live caption machine which screwed up?
I’ll take a wild guess that Boris has just come up with a new way of generating a couple of billion quid in asset sales next year. 1 -
Nish Kumar making a twat of himself again...
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+1WhisperingOracle said:
This cycle of vengeance against Channel 4 is very old. Channel 4 news is really only what remains of an intellectually ambitious channel.nunu2 said:Channel 4 are making a good case to have their licence revoked after the election.
Their coverage of the war-crimes and genocide in Sri Lanka was truly astounding. They carried the torch while the rest of the mainstream media were playing silly buggers.1 -
I can feel your pain and others and really do understand itSouthamObserver said:
Thank-you - I do appreciate it. The trick is to separate the personal from the political. It's the not having control thing, I think. Watching the country slide into what you strongly believe is a preventable disaster because there is no-one capable of preventing it is very tough. I wish I were handling it better. It's not healthy. But on a personal level Johnson is undoubtedly going to be very good for me and my family. I imagine I will get used to that soon enough.Byronic said:
No, Southam is an OK guy. A mensch, of sorts. I have hopes he can be restored to lucidity, when his grief is abated, following the Boris landslide.isam said:
Blinkered, prejudiced and ill mannered. Knows nothing about betting. A complete embarrassmentByronic said:
You need to ask yourself why you are SO desperate to think the worst of Boris, and Brexit, that it is literally warping your senses.SouthamObserver said:
I already have on here and here ...felix said:
Good for you - that's something Southam Observer will never doCorrectHorseBattery said:Fair enough I’ll hold my hands up that I’ve got it wrong
https://twitter.com/SpaJw/status/1202915568271134720
This isn't the first time you've made an embarrassing error by leaping to a false conclusion that best supports your prejudices
So many have a deep affection for the EU and in divorce it is excrutiating and wrecks emotions
I only want brexit done because I believe it has to happen even though I voted remain
I do believe those who want to be in the EU need to form a campaign to rejoin and if leaving goes wrong, which it may or may not, rejoining may become a very popular option probably by the time of the next election
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We have such a sad state of affairs with the media now.
Rushed, sloppy and irresponsible journalism, often tainted by bias and prejudice, sometimes accompanied by selective editing and misquoting (or at least careless error as appears to be the case here), lobbed into the twittersphere or on television to create an impact - any impact.
No ‘side’ or ‘tribe’ or ‘political persuasion’ can claim any kind of moral high ground here. It is becoming more and more pervasive across our politics and it is contributing to the increasingly angry, partisan nature of debate.
As with any revolution I fear that this one will eat itself and the free media, having pushed things too far, will prompt someone in power to push the button on suppression of free speech. It doesn’t take much for a media being slowly corrupted with inaccurate partisan reporting and “fake news” to flip into a government mouthpiece. After all, how far away from propaganda is ‘fake news’ really?2 -
I do think you need a third categorykinabalu said:
No. Those making fools of themselves are limited to the following.glw said:A lot of lefties on here have made fools of themselves this morning. I hope they are feeling suitably ashamed.
(i) CH4.
(ii) Those who defended the BJ comments before the correction was known.
Think about it.
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I think yes, but hes further back now. 41-36 I think.camel said:
Tories seem firm on 43. Anti-tory vote seems a movable feast. So can Jeremy pull off his 2017 late swing trick again or not?Andy_JS said:
All the polls are rather uncannily coming into line with the topline MRP figures of Con 43%, Lab 32%.llef said:UK Election Poll: Conservatives 44% (Unch.); Labour 32% (+4) - Ipsos/MORIv
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5.1 million now. Must be the world's biggest Twitter bubble.0
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I remember them. I was only about 6 years old and still managed to watch some of them, lol.SandyRentool said:
I remember the "red triangle" late night films too!Andy_JS said:Channel 4 used to be required viewing in the 80s and early/mid 90s when it used to show cutting edge programmes with material that often couldn't be viewed anywhere else.
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I doubt You guv and most polls. They seem to amplify the Tory vote and minimise Labours. Any seat lead of less than 5% should be taken with a pinch of salt and be called a dead heat.
Based on this, Tories may gain 15-20 seats from Labour but lose 5-10 to LD/SNP
Looks like a final Tory tally of 320 + or - 150 -
I've given two examples from the last two days of straight lies in the aid of the Conservative election campaign. If you're going to worry about alternative facts, you need to cut them off at source.FrancisUrquhart said:
You really have been driven bonkers by Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:
If you are being downright dishonest as a matter of practice, as the Conservatives currently are, then you have no moral standing to complain about the mistakes of others. Motes and beams.RobinWiggs said:
There is a difference.AlastairMeeks said:
This could be catching. Perhaps we could bastinado Sajid Javid for straight-out lying about trends in homelessness. We could pull out Boris Johnson's scrotal hairs one by one for continuing to assert that there will no checks on goods going between Britain and Northern Ireland when his own government's documents confirm they will.RobinWiggs said:
Yes. They were too quick to rush out their supposed "gotcha" that they didn't do the most basic of fact checking. It just took one to listen with eyes closed to hear what was really said. Not the most sophisticated of techniques.Beibheirli_C said:For everyone shooting C4 News.
They made a mistake. They have now made a public apology. What more do you want? Public floggings?
For an idiot on twitter that would be par for the course; for a national broadcaster in the middle of a general election campaign it shows at the very least a massive error of judgement. More likely it demonstrates a lack of basic professionalism and due diligence in their editorial standards and processes.
They should be publicly flogged for that.
Politicians make claims and statements in an election. It is the job of broadcasters to assess, analyse and report the validity of those claims. It is for electors to judge the veracity of the claims and propositions before casting their ballot.
When C4 make a biased cluster*uck like this it undermines the confidence in any of their content. That is the difference.0 -
In lighter news, the Guardian has just provided a new entry in the competition for the most Guardian tweet ever:
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I do not really have a deep affection for the EU. I have a deep affection for the UK. It's clear, though, that my views about what are best for the UK are minority ones. My task is to learn to deal with that better.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I can feel your pain and others and really do understand itSouthamObserver said:
Thank-you - I do appreciate it. The trick is to separate the personal from the political. It's the not having control thing, I think. Watching the country slide into what you strongly believe is a preventable disaster because there is no-one capable of preventing it is very tough. I wish I were handling it better. It's not healthy. But on a personal level Johnson is undoubtedly going to be very good for me and my family. I imagine I will get used to that soon enough.Byronic said:
No, Southam is an OK guy. A mensch, of sorts. I have hopes he can be restored to lucidity, when his grief is abated, following the Boris landslide.isam said:
Blinkered, prejudiced and ill mannered. Knows nothing about betting. A complete embarrassmentByronic said:
You need to ask yourself why you are SO desperate to think the worst of Boris, and Brexit, that it is literally warping your senses.SouthamObserver said:
I already have on here and here ...felix said:
Good for you - that's something Southam Observer will never doCorrectHorseBattery said:Fair enough I’ll hold my hands up that I’ve got it wrong
https://twitter.com/SpaJw/status/1202915568271134720
This isn't the first time you've made an embarrassing error by leaping to a false conclusion that best supports your prejudices
So many have a deep affection for the EU and in divorce it is excrutiating and wrecks emotions
I only want brexit done because I believe it has to happen even though I voted remain
I do believe those who want to be in the EU need to form a campaign to rejoin and if leaving goes wrong, which it may or may not, rejoining may become a very popular option probably by the time of the next election0 -
With no rebate?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I can feel your pain and others and really do understand itSouthamObserver said:
Thank-you - I do appreciate it. The trick is to separate the personal from the political. It's the not having control thing, I think. Watching the country slide into what you strongly believe is a preventable disaster because there is no-one capable of preventing it is very tough. I wish I were handling it better. It's not healthy. But on a personal level Johnson is undoubtedly going to be very good for me and my family. I imagine I will get used to that soon enough.Byronic said:
No, Southam is an OK guy. A mensch, of sorts. I have hopes he can be restored to lucidity, when his grief is abated, following the Boris landslide.isam said:
Blinkered, prejudiced and ill mannered. Knows nothing about betting. A complete embarrassmentByronic said:
You need to ask yourself why you are SO desperate to think the worst of Boris, and Brexit, that it is literally warping your senses.SouthamObserver said:
I already have on here and here ...felix said:
Good for you - that's something Southam Observer will never doCorrectHorseBattery said:Fair enough I’ll hold my hands up that I’ve got it wrong
https://twitter.com/SpaJw/status/1202915568271134720
This isn't the first time you've made an embarrassing error by leaping to a false conclusion that best supports your prejudices
So many have a deep affection for the EU and in divorce it is excrutiating and wrecks emotions
I only want brexit done because I believe it has to happen even though I voted remain
I do believe those who want to be in the EU need to form a campaign to rejoin and if leaving goes wrong, which it may or may not, rejoining may become a very popular option probably by the time of the next election0 -
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If I were Boris, I would use the phrase "people of talent" ten times in the debate tonight, just for the bantz...1
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Why do you think this racism is funny?melcf said:Define Irony:, Boris Ali Kemal Bey Johnson, Priti Patel, Sajid Javed and Chinless/ No named Father Gove are now the gatekeepers to this ancient and powerful land. To keep people of colour out.
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The fact that so many Corbynistas are still insisting Johnson said colour could potentially prove a real problem for them if they carry on like this.2
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This is clearly a cock up by Channel 4 rather than any conspiracy. People on both sides seem to be losing their minds. Anyway it shifts the narrative from Brillogate so is probably a net +ve to the Tories on the breathless reporting we now have on the election.0
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No one cares after the C4 smear. Neilgate lasted about 14 hours.OnlyLivingBoy said:5.1 million now. Must be the world's biggest Twitter bubble.
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Irrefutably argued. Well done sir!melcf said:I doubt You guv and most polls. They seem to amplify the Tory vote and minimise Labours. Any seat lead of less than 5% should be taken with a pinch of salt and be called a dead heat.
Based on this, Tories may gain 15-20 seats from Labour but lose 5-10 to LD/SNP
Looks like a final Tory tally of 320 + or - 150 -
Just had the Tories knock my Stockton South door for the first time ever. Bless them. Both students from Surrey. Had no idea where they were. Does show how much £££ the Tory machine has though0
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This ridiculous stramash on Twitter this morning simply proves Cyclefree's point that the election campaign is a week too long.3
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It is quite scary how much the cult are like Team Trump supporters. It doesn't matter what the facts are, they have their own alternative facts.Andy_JS said:The fact that so many Corbynistas are still insisting Johnson said colour could potentially prove a real problem for them if they carry on like this.
And as I pointed out last night, this isn't just random 18 year olds, people like Michael Rosen, a supposed highly intelligent man (and yes I know he has already been very left wing so not surprising he is a fan of Corbyn)...his twitter feed is littered with the fake news shit.1 -
Channel 4 News does some really good stuff, which is why it is such a shame they are so clearly biased against Boris, the Tories and Brexit. The bias demeans them, devalues their journalism, and will in the end see Channel 4 News dismantled.murali_s said:
+1WhisperingOracle said:
This cycle of vengeance against Channel 4 is very old. Channel 4 news is really only what remains of an intellectually ambitious channel.nunu2 said:Channel 4 are making a good case to have their licence revoked after the election.
Their coverage of the war-crimes and genocide in Sri Lanka was truly astounding. They carried the torch while the rest of the mainstream media were playing silly buggers.
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To be fair, those Corbynistas really do practise what they preach - they insist on being publicly owned on every possible occasion!Andy_JS said:The fact that so many Corbynistas are still insisting Johnson said colour could potentially prove a real problem for them if they carry on like this.
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Ha ha in your dreams.BluerBlue said:
No one cares after the C4 smear. Neilgate lasted about 14 hours.OnlyLivingBoy said:5.1 million now. Must be the world's biggest Twitter bubble.
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Well said - fair playCorrectHorseBattery said:Criticising YouGov as pro Tory is one of the dumbest and most ridiculous criticisms I see
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By this stage of the 2017 campaign labour had exceeded 35% in 8 polls. They would exceed it in a further 6 over the coming weekend. The swing had already begun and actually seemed to peak over this coming weekend equivalentkle4 said:
I think yes, but hes further back now. 41-36 I think.camel said:
Tories seem firm on 43. Anti-tory vote seems a movable feast. So can Jeremy pull off his 2017 late swing trick again or not?Andy_JS said:
All the polls are rather uncannily coming into line with the topline MRP figures of Con 43%, Lab 32%.llef said:UK Election Poll: Conservatives 44% (Unch.); Labour 32% (+4) - Ipsos/MORIv
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"People of talent want to Get Brexit Done"BluerBlue said:If I were Boris, I would use the phrase "people of talent" ten times in the debate tonight, just for the bantz...
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I think that a lot of those about to vote Labour have a deep seated moral discomfort over Corbyn that they are trying to repress. Projecting evil characteristics on Johnson resolves the dilemma allowing them to justify their horrible moral choice.0
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"Boris Johnson has now resorted to dog whistles to reach out to voters who may be willing instead support the Brexit Party or stay at home in an unprecedented move."
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q0e4Ni9ob00
