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Very true. But it will cost him a few votes, probably in the home counties seats where there is an independent standing. I have seen the animosity to Johnson amongst party members (never mind supporters) in Surrey, and little things like this will tip a few votes to the likes of Milton. But it will make no difference unless such a seat turns out on a knife edge (and that will be unlikely to affect the national picture).Andy_JS said:
Mrs Thatcher won the 1983 election by default despite riots, recession and the highest ever unemployment rate, because she was up against Michael Foot. The same thing is going to happen with Johnson because his opponent is Corbyn. Another "by default" election.SouthamObserver said:
It will not cost him a single vote. When you are up against Jeremy Corbyn, you can win an election by lying and running away. But you can also win it by telling the truth and facing detailed scrutiny. Johnson's decsion to employ the forner strategy will cost him dear in the longer term, but he may not have been capable of doing anything else.Streeter said:
Opens the door for all politicians to refuse interviews that don't suit them.CorrectHorseBattery said:
A very bad day for democracy, but that's what we've come to expect from our Eton-grown Trump.0 -
It's the sort of thing that my grandparents will notice because they have the TV on all day and watch daily politics and stuff like that. It may not make people vote Labour, but it might make people think about how enthused they are to vote for Johnson (especially if weather is bad on the day, and if people think a Tory landslide is in the bag).Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think it is a mistake and he should have done it as scheduledOllyT said:The regularity with which Bozo fanboys like MarqueeMark keep telling us that dodging the AN interview doesn't matter in the slightest suggests that it does.
However, I do not see it making any difference
As for why the landslide narrative isn't taking hold I think it is to prevent lower turnout from Con votes needed to make sure it is true. If all the Tory press were like "landslide predicted" like last time, if weather is bad, again, some Con voters may be less enthused to vote. It is also the case that due to vote efficiency and tactical voting it is difficult to know if this is going to be Cons -10 maj to +100 maj. The Conservatives are just a MOE in Labs direction away from the -10 scenario.0 -
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But then wily old Boris had the cover of the NATO summit.....Sandpit said:
I can’t help thinking the media are overplaying their hand, by going on this on a day when the PM will be attending a televised debate.wooliedyed said:You could conclude from the interview swerve that the Tory internal polling suggests it really doesn't matter if they bunk it they are so far ahead
They should have gone hard on it a week ago.0 -
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"The voters are all thick...."Andy_JS said:
It'll be the fault of gammons, millionaires, stupid peasants not realising what's in their best interest, etc. Nothing to do with Corbyn.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:The penny had dropped below the line on Guardian articles that they're going to get drubbed, but it is all the voters' fault, damn them.
'Baricade' attempts to deliver the truth about policy/campaign/leadership but will he succeed?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/06/people-are-fed-up-tired-and-scared-the-battle-for-wrexham?CMP=share_btn_tw0 -
As I said the lengths you go to try to dismiss it and defend it suggest you believe it is an issue and your stance contrasst starkly with with more thoughtful Tories like Casino and Max who are appalled by it and can see that it is not a good look at all.MarqueeMark said:
Whatever. Keep going on about it all day if you like. Right up until 8.30 pm, when Boris is, er, on the telly not dodging the public questioning.OllyT said:The regularity with which Bozo fanboys like MarqueeMark keep telling us that dodging the AN interview doesn't matter in the slightest suggests that it does.
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I am not 100% sure that normal people are as alive to the nuances of different political interviewers as we are.MarqueeMark said:
But then wily old Boris had the cover of the NATO summit.....Sandpit said:
I can’t help thinking the media are overplaying their hand, by going on this on a day when the PM will be attending a televised debate.wooliedyed said:You could conclude from the interview swerve that the Tory internal polling suggests it really doesn't matter if they bunk it they are so far ahead
They should have gone hard on it a week ago.
Who'd be Nick Robinson's agent right now?0 -
Morning Kinabalu. I could have done with you late last night. I was making a stout defence of our Laura, but I was sadly alone. People think Labour's best chance for 2024 lies somewhere in your manor - well more round Islington and Camden.kinabalu said:The Neil takedown confirmed to me that "Boris" is not doing the interview. If it was still in the offing Neil would not have gone for the jugular as he did. And I think it's fair dues now. The Beeb have mitigated their error. "Boris" is now OK in my eyes to stay away from Neil. He's suffered a hit for it and that is pleasing. Fairness restored. Very important that it was. What does surprise me is him blowing off Julie Etchingham. How is he going to negotiate a good trade deal with the EU if he's scared of Julie Etchingham?
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A minor problem of the explosion of social media is that we are suddenly all collectively responsible for every single person voting the same way, including any random, silly or offensive thoughts they've put on social media. I've never heard of this bloke and he's typical only of himself - Momentum, just like every other political movement, is the usual mix of the zealous, the half-committed, the humourless, the funny, etc. The same applies when we find that the Tory vice-chair of Little Snodding has posted a rude note on his FB page - it doesn't tell us anything important about the Tories as a whole.Theuniondivvie said:Probably the worst thing (don't bother whatabouttheantisemitism-ing at me) about the Momentum Jezza Christ brigade is their humourless piety.
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Much as I disliked her, Thatcher was not a political coward and she was not a congenital liar. In fact, she enjoyed telling voters what she saw as home truths they did not want to hear!Andy_JS said:
Mrs Thatcher won the 1983 election by default despite riots, recession and the highest ever unemployment rate, because she was up against Michael Foot. The same thing is going to happen with Johnson because his opponent is Corbyn. Another "by default" election.SouthamObserver said:
It will not cost him a single vote. When you are up against Jeremy Corbyn, you can win an election by lying and running away. But you can also win it by telling the truth and facing detailed scrutiny. Johnson's decsion to employ the forner strategy will cost him dear in the longer term, but he may not have been capable of doing anything else.Streeter said:
Opens the door for all politicians to refuse interviews that don't suit them.CorrectHorseBattery said:
A very bad day for democracy, but that's what we've come to expect from our Eton-grown Trump.
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It is the more remarkable lies of his many lies. Black is white. His Brexit secretary says the opposite in parliament. It is there in the legal texts. Yet Brexiteers and Unionists dont care as he is their man.CorrectHorseBattery said:0 -
You could kinda excuse the missus falling for the wiles of a nototorious lothario.camel said:
Excellent analogy.Fenster said:And re the Hobson's choice at next week's GE. One non-political friend commented yesterday that choosing who to vote for is like choosing who to find in bed with your wife.
I think I'd have to vote for Swinson on that basis, though a vote for the greens would give a 50:50 chance of an acceptable outcome.
Finding her in bed with Corbyn would really crush your self-esteem....0 -
Can we get someone tonight to ask if the two of them have had their children or grandchildren vaccinated with MMR and what their views are.0
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Let's consider the events of the last week.
1. We know from the Mori Tracker that the London attacks sent the Best Campaign figures fully into reverse: the Tories surged, Labour sank. Corbyn loses big on national security.
2. Trump comes to town. Far from being a disaster, he stays resolutely on message and provides no ammunition on the NHS whatsoever. Boris being on the periphery of the circle that caused Trump to storm off with hurt feelings alleviates the risk of him being seen as Trump's poodle. Loads of coverage of Boris hosting world leaders and being statesmanlike. Corbyn locked out like some passing vagrant, and is caught in an embarrassing lie about his Christmas viewing habits that runs for 48 hours.
3. Publication of the Jewish labour Movement EHRC submission lays out in full the virulent antisemitism infesting Labour, to the extent that only the most hardened cultist can ignore it.
4. Every single poll shows a stall in Labour momentum, with the only net change a Tory +1 with Kantar.
Set against all that, I'll take one viral non-interview clip all day, any day, and twice on Sundays! Look at the big picture, FFS - this was one of the most one-sided weeks in UK campaigning history!
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TBP are 5/1 to win Hartlepool. Is this the constituency which they have the best chance of winning?0
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I see you've read all the comments already.MarqueeMark said:
"The voters are all thick...."Andy_JS said:
It'll be the fault of gammons, millionaires, stupid peasants not realising what's in their best interest, etc. Nothing to do with Corbyn.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:The penny had dropped below the line on Guardian articles that they're going to get drubbed, but it is all the voters' fault, damn them.
'Baricade' attempts to deliver the truth about policy/campaign/leadership but will he succeed?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/06/people-are-fed-up-tired-and-scared-the-battle-for-wrexham?CMP=share_btn_tw0 -
He`d go up in my estimation though.MarqueeMark said:
You could kinda excuse the missus falling for the wiles of a nototorious lothario.camel said:
Excellent analogy.Fenster said:And re the Hobson's choice at next week's GE. One non-political friend commented yesterday that choosing who to vote for is like choosing who to find in bed with your wife.
I think I'd have to vote for Swinson on that basis, though a vote for the greens would give a 50:50 chance of an acceptable outcome.
Finding her in bed with Corbyn would really crush your self-esteem....
And would save me a job.0 -
Labour going big on Brexit is um 'brave'
Starmer to negotiate a crap deal so he can vote against it and cancel Brexit. Another 10 bricks in the red wall crumble away1 -
I agree148grss said:
It's the sort of thing that my grandparents will notice because they have the TV on all day and watch daily politics and stuff like that. It may not make people vote Labour, but it might make people think about how enthused they are to vote for Johnson (especially if weather is bad on the day, and if people think a Tory landslide is in the bag).Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think it is a mistake and he should have done it as scheduledOllyT said:The regularity with which Bozo fanboys like MarqueeMark keep telling us that dodging the AN interview doesn't matter in the slightest suggests that it does.
However, I do not see it making any difference
As for why the landslide narrative isn't taking hold I think it is to prevent lower turnout from Con votes needed to make sure it is true. If all the Tory press were like "landslide predicted" like last time, if weather is bad, again, some Con voters may be less enthused to vote. It is also the case that due to vote efficiency and tactical voting it is difficult to know if this is going to be Cons -10 maj to +100 maj. The Conservatives are just a MOE in Labs direction away from the -10 scenario.0 -
We'll see.AlastairMeeks said:
By winning an election.Sandpit said:
They’re not arguing for ‘more democracy’, they’re arguing to overturn the referendum result. “Revoke A50” because they think we voted the wrong way.Peter_the_Punter said:
Ah, the 'too much democracy' argument!Sandpit said:
That would be true, were it not for their flagship policy of overturning a referendum result because the people voted the ‘wrong’ way.Peter_the_Punter said:
True, but paragons of virtue by comparison to the Conservative and Labour Parties.KentRising said:
Those shining lights the Economist cites are vacuous politicians who believe in nothing but themselves. Vacuous, shallow? Sounds like the Economist in fact. The Lib Dems are not the centre, they are the wolf jumper-wearing, hummus-chomping, gender neutral passport brandishing, woke-metropolitan liberal elite. No offence to Mike...IanB2 said:The Economist:
Mr Johnson runs the most unpopular new government on record; Mr Corbyn is the most unpopular leader of the opposition. On Friday the 13th, unlucky Britons will wake to find one of these horrors in charge.
A strong Lib Dem showing would signal to voters who favour open markets and a liberal society that the centre is alive. The past few years have shown why Parliament needs good people such as Sam Gyimah, who left the Tories because of their extremism, and Chuka Umunna, who left Labour because of theirs. The course of Brexit has been repeatedly changed for the better by independent-minded MPs making the running. If Britain withdraws from the EU in January, the Lib Dem MPs will be among the best advocates of a deep trade deal and the strongest opponents of no-deal. There is no good outcome to this nightmare of an election. But for the centre to hold is the best hope for Britain.
The idea that the illiberal undemocrats are somehow the "realists" of this election because they're going to revoke article 50 after winning an election is the most pantomine nonsense around.2 -
Seems an unlikely Conservative gain after they tried to foist a convicted criminal (Chris Davies) on the constituency and then were forced to withdraw him. Not a good look. PC look a more attractive bet at 17/10. But I would be more interested if you could get 5/1 about the Tories. The best I can see is 2/1. Where is the 5/1?camel said:
Tories nailed on at 5/1. Is Ynys Mon a night time count, or do I have to wait till Friday for satisfaction?Stocky said:Interesting three-way battle in Ynys Mon.
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Probably. Richard Tice is their candidateStocky said:TBP are 5/1 to win Hartlepool. Is this the constituency which they have the best chance of winning?
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This is another point that is not getting coverage. Labour and the LDs have gone for you cant negotiate a trade deal in under a year line. It is the wrong attack line. Of course you can if you are willing to give the other side a great deal and take rubbish for your own side.eek said:
He isn't...kinabalu said:The Neil takedown confirmed to me that "Boris" is not doing the interview. If it was still in the offing Neil would not have gone for the jugular as he did. And I think it's fair dues now. The Beeb have mitigated their error. "Boris" is now OK in my eyes to stay away from Neil. He's suffered a hit for it and that is pleasing. Fairness restored. Very important that it was. What does surprise me is him blowing off Julie Etchingham. How is he going to negotiate a good trade deal with the EU if he's scared of Julie Etchingham?
He doesn't want a good trade deal - he wants his name on the list of people who are prime minster.
And to do that and stay there he needs to leave the EU and sign up for whatever deal he can get that allows us to have a trade deal by 31st December 2020.
Oh and because it's a crap trade deal he will be able to blame the EU for the years he is in power.
The public dont care about the details of a trade deal but many will be impressed when the PM concludes one quickly despite people saying its impossible. It will be terrible for business, jobs and the economy in the UK purely to aid the personal ambition and over promises of our dear leader.0 -
It's what Johnson has been doing his entire political career. He lies and runs away from detailed scrutiny - from the media and in Parliament. That will never change.Casino_Royale said:
It’s utterly stupid and is going to seriously damage him.MaxPB said:Hmm, vox pops from the office - the line about Boris having to face up to Putin and not willing to face up to Brillo is hurting. The rest people don't care about it's "politics" but that line is hurting Bozza.
I’m furious.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/24/johnson-avoiding-scrutiny-cancelled-appearances-says-senior-mp
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Rounded off with Labour's Wrexham firewall aflame....BluerBlue said:Let's consider the events of the last week.
1. We know from the Mori Tracker that the London attacks sent the Best Campaign figures fully into reverse: the Tories surged, Labour sank. Corbyn loses big on national security.
2. Trump comes to town. Far from being a disaster, he stays resolutely on message and provides no ammunition on the NHS whatsoever. Boris being on the periphery of the circle that caused Trump to storm off with hurt feelings alleviates the risk of him being seen as Trump's poodle. Loads of coverage of Boris hosting world leaders and being statesmanlike. Corbyn locked out like some passing vagrant, and is caught in an embarrassing lie about his Christmas viewing habits that runs for 48 hours.
3. Publication of the Jewish labour Movement EHRC submission lays out in full the virulent antisemitism infesting Labour, to the extent that only the most hardened cultist can ignore it.
4. Every single poll shows a stall in Labour momentum, with the only net change a Tory +1 with Kantar.
Set against all that, I'll take one viral non-interview clip all day, any day, and twice on Sundays! Look at the big picture, FFS - this was one of the most one-sided weeks in UK campaigning history!
Fear of that 2017 exit poll being repeated and hatred of Boris by the metropolitan elite is masking what is there for all to see: an epic drubbing for Labour.0 -
Years more arguing about Brexit.nunu2 said:
Hahaha.IanB2 said:
We are anticipating many taking a look at their ballot paper and falling under the spell of that Brexit Party arrow?nunu2 said:We are heading for a landslide tory win
We are heading for a landslide Tory win
We are heading for a landslide Tory win
Every important indicator points to it. And yet people are still talking about a hung Parliament? What the hell is going on?
This is serious. We need to talk about what a 100 seat majority government would do? The manifesto is thread bare.0 -
It was a good week and I'd be surprised if the tracker shows Labour making any significant dent in that 10 point lead. If Boris stays out of trouble tonight and Neil falls out of the news then I think CCHQ will be delighted. Boris is lucky that he has the chance to go in front of a large TV audience tonight so part of the public wonder what all the 'scared' fuss was about.BluerBlue said:Let's consider the events of the last week.
1. We know from the Mori Tracker that the London attacks sent the Best Campaign figures fully into reverse: the Tories surged, Labour sank. Corbyn loses big on national security.
2. Trump comes to town. Far from being a disaster, he stays resolutely on message and provides no ammunition on the NHS whatsoever. Boris being on the periphery of the circle that caused Trump to storm off with hurt feelings alleviates the risk of him being seen as Trump's poodle. Loads of coverage of Boris hosting world leaders and being statesmanlike. Corbyn locked out like some passing vagrant, and is caught in an embarrassing lie about his Christmas viewing habits that runs for 48 hours.
3. Publication of the Jewish labour Movement EHRC submission lays out in full the virulent antisemitism infesting Labour, to the extent that only the most hardened cultist can ignore it.
4. Every single poll shows a stall in Labour momentum, with the only net change a Tory +1 with Kantar.
Set against all that, I'll take one viral non-interview clip all day, any day, and twice on Sundays! Look at the big picture, FFS - this was one of the most one-sided weeks in UK campaigning history!0 -
Exactly right. There is only one flaw in Labour's Brexit policy but it's a fatal one. It leads to a "Remain vs Quasi Remain" referendum. That's a fix.Stocky said:I don`t find this as nonsensical as you do - my problem with it is that it will result in a ref comprising Remain v sort-of-Remain.
It cannot respresent an honouring of the 2016 referendum if Brexit supporters don`t regard it as Brexit, and so will not quell the fury. Rather it will intensify it.0 -
Certainly explains all the accents on radio and TV. Where are you lot hiding Thornberry and Starmer nowadays?NickPalmer said:
We've not had any such request. Here in Surrey we're running a purely positive campaign and refraining from any attacks on the LibDems, apart from politely saying SW Surrey isn't really somewhere to worry about tactical voting and they really should be concentrating on Guildford as the realistic target, which I think is 100% true.Mango said:
My Facebook feed suggests that this is the case.El_Capitano said:
Yes, I was just thinking that. Tempers fraying as the final week gets underway.MikeSmithson said:Anyway a bad tempered thread for Friday
Local campaigning round here seems to have got more ill tempered too. Labour have stopped attacking the (incumbent, safe) Conservative and are training their fire on the Lib Dem candidate. I almost wonder if there’s been a national strategy to hit the LDs so they’re in no place to challenge for second when the inevitable Corbyn defeat happens and Wrong-Daily takes over.
I do get a sense that the party is focusing on the North now, however much we say otherwise. Which makes sense at this point.0 -
Finding her in bed with Boris would not only crush her self-esteem but quite a lot else given his recent weight gain.MarqueeMark said:
You could kinda excuse the missus falling for the wiles of a nototorious lothario.camel said:
Excellent analogy.Fenster said:And re the Hobson's choice at next week's GE. One non-political friend commented yesterday that choosing who to vote for is like choosing who to find in bed with your wife.
I think I'd have to vote for Swinson on that basis, though a vote for the greens would give a 50:50 chance of an acceptable outcome.
Finding her in bed with Corbyn would really crush your self-esteem....0 -
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He ran away from his wives and kids as well.Dura_Ace said:
He's not doing it because he knows AN is going to ask a question (probably about his fucking stupid kids) that he is going to have to respond to with a direct lie.CarlottaVance said:
As much damage as doing the interview might do?Casino_Royale said:
It’s utterly stupid and is going to seriously damage him.MaxPB said:Hmm, vox pops from the office - the line about Boris having to face up to Putin and not willing to face up to Brillo is hurting. The rest people don't care about it's "politics" but that line is hurting Bozza.
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A dear old lady I spoke to on the doorstep yesterday wrapped up this election in a nutshell.
"Who are you coming round for? They're all bloody rubbish, the lot of them.
But I do love Boris."
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You're arguing against yourself. Lab's Brexit policy is of course bonkers but whatever the deal they come up with would be leaving. Even if they replicated every one of the existing terms of our EU membership, if we "left" the EU it would be fulfilling the referendum mandate.kinabalu said:
Exactly right. There is only one flaw in Labour's Brexit policy but it's a fatal one. It leads to a "Remain vs Quasi Remain" referendum. That's a fix.Stocky said:I don`t find this as nonsensical as you do - my problem with it is that it will result in a ref comprising Remain v sort-of-Remain.
It cannot respresent an honouring of the 2016 referendum if Brexit supporters don`t regard it as Brexit, and so will not quell the fury. Rather it will intensify it.
The simplicity of the ballot paper question works both ways: no deal honours the referendum result, as does full on compliance with every EU rule and reg and the obligation to speak French on Wednesdays.0 -
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I'm guessing the gender neutral stuff came up during the interview. Just going to listen to it.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Apparently Swinson agreed to be interviewed by Emma Barnett for Women's Hour, and it is car crash stuff.
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It might in a country where there is democratic (or any) accountability. There is none here. Plus, he's posh, so the effect is doubled.SouthamObserver said:It will make no difference to the outcome of the election. But long-term perceptions of PM Johnson are now being framed. Being regarded as a liar who runs away from scrutiny will not help his leadership, especially when it turns out he cannot deliver on the promises he has made.
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I'd prefer to find my wife in bed with JC. He'd be wearing pyjamas and trying to persuade her about the evils of capitalism; she'd likely be falling asleep. BJ would be naked, slobbering and trying to impregnate her, with her unable to move due to his considerable mass.MarqueeMark said:
You could kinda excuse the missus falling for the wiles of a nototorious lothario.camel said:
Excellent analogy.Fenster said:And re the Hobson's choice at next week's GE. One non-political friend commented yesterday that choosing who to vote for is like choosing who to find in bed with your wife.
I think I'd have to vote for Swinson on that basis, though a vote for the greens would give a 50:50 chance of an acceptable outcome.
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Were there really no polls last night?0
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You're right. I have no idea! But I don't think whatever happens will be pretty. Unless my suspicions are wrong and either a) Brexit is a raging success and the country overflows with milk and honey, or b) if Brexit is economically harmful, Boris and his party open the taps with a gushing Keynesian stimulus. Call me cynical but I don't think either will happen.OllyT said:
You make a very good point. It will propel Bozo into number 10 next week but the big question is what do those people do when they realise by the next GE that Brexit has not made a jot of difference to their areas and in fact may have even made it worse.northern_monkey said:HYUFD said:
'Of course, Boris reaches white working class Labour voters who have not voted Tory since Thatcher if ever in a way no other Tory leader would, much as Trump reaches white working class Democrats who have not voted Republican since Reagan'
My take on it is that WWC voters thing Boris is a fool. But he is a fool who will bring about Brexit. Which the bulk of the WWC (of which I am a part, by the way) think will ameliorate the impacts of deindustrialisation, chronic underinvestment in the north and austerity. They're probably going to be very disappointed.0 -
UK Election Poll: Conservatives 44% (Unch.); Labour 32% (+4) - Ipsos/MORIv
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Oh good. Corbyn again confirming he is against Brexit.CorrectHorseBattery said:
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One of Johnson's big priorities will be to remove the ability of Parliament and the courts to scrutinise what the government is doing. He will want to ensure that decsions he takes cannot be challenged. This will be particularly important with regards to the trade deals he will be seeking to sign up to. Once the scrutiny is removed, there are likely to be be intensive voter suppression initiatives.IanB2 said:
Years more arguing about Brexit.nunu2 said:
Hahaha.IanB2 said:
We are anticipating many taking a look at their ballot paper and falling under the spell of that Brexit Party arrow?nunu2 said:We are heading for a landslide tory win
We are heading for a landslide Tory win
We are heading for a landslide Tory win
Every important indicator points to it. And yet people are still talking about a hung Parliament? What the hell is going on?
This is serious. We need to talk about what a 100 seat majority government would do? The manifesto is thread bare.
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12 pt lead for the Tories. 16 always looked a bit high in the last one.llef said:UK Election Poll: Conservatives 44% (Unch.); Labour 32% (+4) - Ipsos/MORIv
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Soon that video will have more views than Labour will get votes in this election!CorrectHorseBattery said:4.7M now
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The state of the election, with just six days left of campaigning, has the Conservatives on 44 per cent (unchanged since two weeks ago), Labour on 32 per cent (up four points from 28), the Liberal Democrats squeezed to 13 (down three) and the Brexit Party on two per cent (down one).
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/latest-opinion-polls-conservative-party-lead-narrows-as-labour-and-corbyn-make-gains-a4306426.html0 -
Is that legitimate? No blue tick and never heard of that account before.llef said:UK Election Poll: Conservatives 44% (Unch.); Labour 32% (+4) - Ipsos/MORIv
https://twitter.com/LiveSquawk/status/1202899539579068416
If it is (big if) then 12 point lead with less than a week to go. When are the changes with? It feels like we haven't had any MORI's for quite a while.0 -
I'm liking this ploy of Jezza to go with all these leaked documents: it creates the feel of an insurgency and paints Boris as a besieged establishment figure cobbling together duplicitous schemes from the bunker. This is important. People adore Boris because they think he's a devil-may-care outsider on a mission. Paint him as a calculating technocrat using underhand methods and the magic is lost.1
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I think Emma got stuck in over her coalition voting record.Andy_JS said:
I'm guessing the gender neutral stuff came up during the interview. Just going to listen to it.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Apparently Swinson agreed to be interviewed by Emma Barnett for Women's Hour, and it is car crash stuff.
Please report back - I've never listening to Women's Hour in my life, and I don't intend to start now. Only Radio 4 could decide that us ladies needed a special hour (because we're not interested in other programming, due to being ladies), then put it on mid-morning when the vast majority of women are at work.0 -
You're so bitter aren't you?alb1on said:
Finding her in bed with Boris would not only crush her self-esteem but quite a lot else given his recent weight gain.MarqueeMark said:
You could kinda excuse the missus falling for the wiles of a nototorious lothario.camel said:
Excellent analogy.Fenster said:And re the Hobson's choice at next week's GE. One non-political friend commented yesterday that choosing who to vote for is like choosing who to find in bed with your wife.
I think I'd have to vote for Swinson on that basis, though a vote for the greens would give a 50:50 chance of an acceptable outcome.
Finding her in bed with Corbyn would really crush your self-esteem....0 -
Yep that seems fair. Labour had to climb off 28 but the Tories not dropping will be very pleasing for them. This is within MOE for 97' landslide territory which is of course bullshit but it's a very healthy majority even if Labour climb another 4 points in the last few days (unlikely).Pulpstar said:
12 pt lead for the Tories. 16 always looked a bit high in the last one.llef said:UK Election Poll: Conservatives 44% (Unch.); Labour 32% (+4) - Ipsos/MORIv
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Yeah, not 'too much' to worry about there. As long as the Tories keep above 40 (and labour sub 35 say), a majority should beckon.Pulpstar said:
12 pt lead for the Tories. 16 always looked a bit high in the last one.llef said:UK Election Poll: Conservatives 44% (Unch.); Labour 32% (+4) - Ipsos/MORIv
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yep its legit, nos from the standard opinion poll out todayPhilip_Thompson said:
Is that legitimate? No blue tick and never heard of that account before.llef said:UK Election Poll: Conservatives 44% (Unch.); Labour 32% (+4) - Ipsos/MORIv
https://twitter.com/LiveSquawk/status/1202899539579068416
If it is (big if) then 12 point lead with less than a week to go. When are the changes with? It feels like we haven't had any MORI's for quite a while.0 -
Labour still stuck around 33% it seems. Still think that Tory vote is too high0
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If this is so successful do you think this will move the election from "99.95% Hung Parliament" to Labour majority then? 😂😂Stark_Dawning said:I'm liking this ploy of Jezza to go with all these leaked documents: it creates the feel of an insurgency and paints Boris as a besieged establishment figure cobbling together duplicitous schemes from the bunker. This is important. People adore Boris because they think he's a devil-may-care outsider on a mission. Paint him as a calculating technocrat using underhand methods and the magic is lost.
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Lighten up, was a funny joke.Philip_Thompson said:
You're so bitter aren't you?alb1on said:
Finding her in bed with Boris would not only crush her self-esteem but quite a lot else given his recent weight gain.MarqueeMark said:
You could kinda excuse the missus falling for the wiles of a nototorious lothario.camel said:
Excellent analogy.Fenster said:And re the Hobson's choice at next week's GE. One non-political friend commented yesterday that choosing who to vote for is like choosing who to find in bed with your wife.
I think I'd have to vote for Swinson on that basis, though a vote for the greens would give a 50:50 chance of an acceptable outcome.
Finding her in bed with Corbyn would really crush your self-esteem....0 -
How does ones mind jump in these contortions? All Labour have done is point out the problem with Johnson's claims, and how his own government were preparing to do the things he said weren't going to be necessary. You may disagree with Labour's definition of Brexit, but Labour's proposal is to leave the EU if their deal wins a confirmatory referendum.nunu2 said:
Oh good. Corbyn again confirming he is against Brexit.CorrectHorseBattery said:
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Wind warning for Sunday/Monday. Looks like there might be another one Tuesday/Wednesday. Thursday still currently looking benign, but with more storms afterwards. We're yet to have our first named storm of the season, but there's an outside chance of three in a week - and Election Day managing to be a calm interlude between storms.0
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40 to 38 still yes?CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour still stuck around 33% it seems. Still think that Tory vote is too high
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Work? Surely not? Any lady of quality will do her hair, put on a 1950's floral A-Line dress before donning her marigolds to clean the houseAramintaMoonbeamQC said:Please report back - I've never listening to Women's Hour in my life, and I don't intend to start now. Only Radio 4 could decide that us ladies needed a special hour (because we're not interested in other programming, due to being ladies), then put it on mid-morning when the vast majority of women are at work.
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He really loved the leaked documents yesterday that damned his party as chock-full of racists and indicted him personally of 11 counts of antisemitism!Stark_Dawning said:I'm liking this ploy of Jezza to go with all these leaked documents: it creates the feel of an insurgency and paints Boris as a besieged establishment figure cobbling together duplicitous schemes from the bunker. This is important. People adore Boris because they think he's a devil-may-care outsider on a mission. Paint him as a calculating technocrat using underhand methods and the magic is lost.
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Or it is hard to hear the radio over the sound of the Hoover?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
I think Emma got stuck in over her coalition voting record.Andy_JS said:
I'm guessing the gender neutral stuff came up during the interview. Just going to listen to it.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Apparently Swinson agreed to be interviewed by Emma Barnett for Women's Hour, and it is car crash stuff.
Please report back - I've never listening to Women's Hour in my life, and I don't intend to start now. Only Radio 4 could decide that us ladies needed a special hour (because we're not interested in other programming, due to being ladies), then put it on mid-morning when the vast majority of women are at work.0 -
Maybe Radio 4 thinks that ladies are listening to it while they clean the kitchen while the men are at work? 🙄AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
I think Emma got stuck in over her coalition voting record.Andy_JS said:
I'm guessing the gender neutral stuff came up during the interview. Just going to listen to it.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Apparently Swinson agreed to be interviewed by Emma Barnett for Women's Hour, and it is car crash stuff.
Please report back - I've never listening to Women's Hour in my life, and I don't intend to start now. Only Radio 4 could decide that us ladies needed a special hour (because we're not interested in other programming, due to being ladies), then put it on mid-morning when the vast majority of women are at work.0 -
That is not a bad way of putting it. Regarding voting Labour, I will be doing it with my usual gusto but I will confess that if they were to win a landslide majority with this leadership and manifesto I would, in amongst the excitement, be feeling a tad nervous.Endillion said:Two wrongs make a right. I guess you kinda haveta believe that to be even considering voting Labour next Thursday.
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Mori comes into line with the labour squeeze on Lib dems and their slight improvement over the last fortnight. A 12 point lead on polling day would (back of fag packet) see no change in the south and a 10% swing in the north and Midlands perhaps? Would mean Sunderland, wansbeck, blyth, tynemouth, brum northfiele, edgbaston, erdington, the west broms, leigh, batley and spen etc all at high risk and a landslide almost certain0
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Fair enough.TOPPING said:
Lighten up, was a funny joke.Philip_Thompson said:
You're so bitter aren't you?alb1on said:
Finding her in bed with Boris would not only crush her self-esteem but quite a lot else given his recent weight gain.MarqueeMark said:
You could kinda excuse the missus falling for the wiles of a nototorious lothario.camel said:
Excellent analogy.Fenster said:And re the Hobson's choice at next week's GE. One non-political friend commented yesterday that choosing who to vote for is like choosing who to find in bed with your wife.
I think I'd have to vote for Swinson on that basis, though a vote for the greens would give a 50:50 chance of an acceptable outcome.
Finding her in bed with Corbyn would really crush your self-esteem....0 -
I had a peak at google trends to see if the speculation that the public really cares about Neil vs Boris:
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=now 1-d&geo=GB&q=/m/0h508,/m/025m87
The result is no one cares, as expected, Neil is number 20 out of 25 and no impact in interest about Boris.1 -
ha haBluerBlue said:
Soon that video will have more views than Labour will get votes in this election!CorrectHorseBattery said:4.7M now
Wonder if Jezbollah is going to start legal action against the Telegraph
they were not pulling their punches
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2019/12/05/jeremy-corbyn-anti-semite/
"A vote for Labour on December 12 is a vote for an institutionally anti-Semitic party led by an anti-Semite."
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Hmmm..... anybody want to think about this from a WOMAN's point of view?????TrèsDifficile said:
I'd prefer to find my wife in bed with JC. He'd be wearing pyjamas and trying to persuade her about the evils of capitalism; she'd likely be falling asleep. BJ would be naked, slobbering and trying to impregnate her, with her unable to move due to his considerable mass.MarqueeMark said:
You could kinda excuse the missus falling for the wiles of a nototorious lothario.camel said:
Excellent analogy.Fenster said:And re the Hobson's choice at next week's GE. One non-political friend commented yesterday that choosing who to vote for is like choosing who to find in bed with your wife.
I think I'd have to vote for Swinson on that basis, though a vote for the greens would give a 50:50 chance of an acceptable outcome.
Finding her in bed with Corbyn would really crush your self-esteem....0 -
The residents of Hampstead would get the shock of their cossetted lives when McDonnell's first Budget landed.kinabalu said:
That is not a bad way of putting it. Regarding voting Labour, I will be doing it with my usual gusto but I will confess that if they were to win a landslide majority with this leadership and manifesto I would, in amongst the excitement, be feeling a tad nervous.Endillion said:Two wrongs make a right. I guess you kinda haveta believe that to be even considering voting Labour next Thursday.
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Their target audience has a cleaner, I imagine. Ladies are listening before they go and meet some chums for lunch.Philip_Thompson said:
Maybe Radio 4 thinks that ladies are listening to it while they clean the kitchen while the men are at work? 🙄AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
I think Emma got stuck in over her coalition voting record.Andy_JS said:
I'm guessing the gender neutral stuff came up during the interview. Just going to listen to it.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Apparently Swinson agreed to be interviewed by Emma Barnett for Women's Hour, and it is car crash stuff.
Please report back - I've never listening to Women's Hour in my life, and I don't intend to start now. Only Radio 4 could decide that us ladies needed a special hour (because we're not interested in other programming, due to being ladies), then put it on mid-morning when the vast majority of women are at work.0 -
NahBeibheirli_C said:
Hmmm..... anybody want to think about this from a WOMAN's point of view?????TrèsDifficile said:
I'd prefer to find my wife in bed with JC. He'd be wearing pyjamas and trying to persuade her about the evils of capitalism; she'd likely be falling asleep. BJ would be naked, slobbering and trying to impregnate her, with her unable to move due to his considerable mass.MarqueeMark said:
You could kinda excuse the missus falling for the wiles of a nototorious lothario.camel said:
Excellent analogy.Fenster said:And re the Hobson's choice at next week's GE. One non-political friend commented yesterday that choosing who to vote for is like choosing who to find in bed with your wife.
I think I'd have to vote for Swinson on that basis, though a vote for the greens would give a 50:50 chance of an acceptable outcome.
Finding her in bed with Corbyn would really crush your self-esteem....0 -
44/32? Nice.0
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And only people that weren’t going to vote for him were bothered anywaykinabalu said:
Yes that's fine. So he has avoided it and has been called out for it. All good. It's a happy ending.isam said:The point is that successful PMs avoid challenging interviews and scrutiny, it’s not just Boris that does so. It’s called being the incumbent
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Right in line with a Tort landslide......llef said:UK Election Poll: Conservatives 44% (Unch.); Labour 32% (+4) - Ipsos/MORIv
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I think Trans people are people and should therefore be treated with the same respect as any other human being.kinabalu said:
Right. Well I want to do a great post too.TOPPING said:Great post because this had been my thinking.
Need a topic first. Let's go with Transgender Rights. What is your thinking on that?
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I know I do.Beibheirli_C said:
Work? Surely not? Any lady of quality will do her hair, put on a 1950's floral A-Line dress before donning her marigolds to clean the houseAramintaMoonbeamQC said:Please report back - I've never listening to Women's Hour in my life, and I don't intend to start now. Only Radio 4 could decide that us ladies needed a special hour (because we're not interested in other programming, due to being ladies), then put it on mid-morning when the vast majority of women are at work.
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All the polls are rather uncannily coming into line with the topline MRP figures of Con 43%, Lab 32%.llef said:UK Election Poll: Conservatives 44% (Unch.); Labour 32% (+4) - Ipsos/MORIv
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Tories seem firm on 43. Anti-tory vote seems a movable feast. So can Jeremy pull off his 2017 late swing trick again or not?Andy_JS said:
All the polls are rather uncannily coming into line with the topline MRP figures of Con 43%, Lab 32%.llef said:UK Election Poll: Conservatives 44% (Unch.); Labour 32% (+4) - Ipsos/MORIv
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Given that the last Mori poll was more than 3 weeks ago, we don't know if that movement is recent or simply it's the one already recorded by other companies weeks ago.llef said:UK Election Poll: Conservatives 44% (Unch.); Labour 32% (+4) - Ipsos/MORIv
https://twitter.com/LiveSquawk/status/1202899539579068416
Nevertheless CON 44, LAB 32, LD 13, BRX 2 would give a Conservative majority of 44-64.
If tonight's debate doesn't change anything then this election is over.0 -
Yes, the target audience for Radio 4. Ladies Who Lynch.....AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Their target audience has a cleaner, I imagine. Ladies are listening before they go and meet some chums for lunch.Philip_Thompson said:
Maybe Radio 4 thinks that ladies are listening to it while they clean the kitchen while the men are at work? 🙄AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
I think Emma got stuck in over her coalition voting record.Andy_JS said:
I'm guessing the gender neutral stuff came up during the interview. Just going to listen to it.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Apparently Swinson agreed to be interviewed by Emma Barnett for Women's Hour, and it is car crash stuff.
Please report back - I've never listening to Women's Hour in my life, and I don't intend to start now. Only Radio 4 could decide that us ladies needed a special hour (because we're not interested in other programming, due to being ladies), then put it on mid-morning when the vast majority of women are at work.
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I really don't know who my wife would rather find me in bed with out of Jez and Boris. She'd probably be a little worried if I were to ask her.Beibheirli_C said:
Hmmm..... anybody want to think about this from a WOMAN's point of view?????TrèsDifficile said:
I'd prefer to find my wife in bed with JC. He'd be wearing pyjamas and trying to persuade her about the evils of capitalism; she'd likely be falling asleep. BJ would be naked, slobbering and trying to impregnate her, with her unable to move due to his considerable mass.MarqueeMark said:
You could kinda excuse the missus falling for the wiles of a nototorious lothario.camel said:
Excellent analogy.Fenster said:And re the Hobson's choice at next week's GE. One non-political friend commented yesterday that choosing who to vote for is like choosing who to find in bed with your wife.
I think I'd have to vote for Swinson on that basis, though a vote for the greens would give a 50:50 chance of an acceptable outcome.
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You are relying heavily on the polls - what if they are all wrong?speedy2 said:
Given that the last Mori poll was more than 3 weeks ago, we don't know if that movement is recent or simply it's the one already recorded by other companies weeks ago.llef said:UK Election Poll: Conservatives 44% (Unch.); Labour 32% (+4) - Ipsos/MORIv
https://twitter.com/LiveSquawk/status/1202899539579068416
Nevertheless CON 44, LAB 32, LD 13, BRX 2 would give a Conservative majority of 44-64.
If tonight's debate doesn't change anything then this election is over.0 -
Yes for now sticking with itBrom said:
40 to 38 still yes?CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour still stuck around 33% it seems. Still think that Tory vote is too high
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No. As I have said before, I used to vote for Andrew Tyrie in Chichester. But sometimes you have to call a clown a clown. He will win, but because he is facing Corbyn, as others have said. It appears that, unlike you, I am able to see the weakness in all the party leaders.Philip_Thompson said:
You're so bitter aren't you?alb1on said:
Finding her in bed with Boris would not only crush her self-esteem but quite a lot else given his recent weight gain.MarqueeMark said:
You could kinda excuse the missus falling for the wiles of a nototorious lothario.camel said:
Excellent analogy.Fenster said:And re the Hobson's choice at next week's GE. One non-political friend commented yesterday that choosing who to vote for is like choosing who to find in bed with your wife.
I think I'd have to vote for Swinson on that basis, though a vote for the greens would give a 50:50 chance of an acceptable outcome.
Finding her in bed with Corbyn would really crush your self-esteem....1 -
The lawyers will be pleased.nunu2 said:
Right in line with a Tort landslide......llef said:UK Election Poll: Conservatives 44% (Unch.); Labour 32% (+4) - Ipsos/MORIv
https://twitter.com/LiveSquawk/status/1202899539579068416 5 -
Johnson directly equating getting Brexit done with controlling immigration by "people of colour". My word.
https://twitter.com/MayaGoodfellow/status/12029021950474035200
