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More rallies. More chanting.Byronic said:
Hopecasting there. It’s not just the Tory leads, it’s the trend. And the trend is Tories rising, Labour flatlining of even falling.rottenborough said:
It’s the trend that’s crucial, in 2017 the trend for Labour to catch up was already obvious by now, this time the trend is the opposite.
What can Labour do? They’ve used their ammo. Do they have a plan B?0 -
Boris is polling almost 50%. Mrs Thatcher wasn't doing anything like that and she was up against Foot.nichomar said:Mexicanpete said:Hats off to Boris, and if I may say so HYUFD
I thought Boris was no longer electoral gold dust. I was wrong!
He’s not he’s is up against corbyn IDS would probably win!0 -
In Barnes the council house vote has gone LD-> BXP and the wealthy part of Barnes has gone Con-> LD. Luckily the council house part is only 20% of Barnes.Floater said:
I'm not convinced your average council house tenant is a Corbynista.MaxPB said:
There are council estates everywhere.rottenborough said:
How many of the good voting folk of the Cities are Corbynites?TheScreamingEagles said:
No, the Corbynites hate Chukka even than they hate the Jews.rottenborough said:Chukka in with a shout?
Apparently you can never forgive anyone who defects from your party.
There is no BXP standing so I expect a lot of the council house vote will be NV rather than Con.0 -
Not just tories I would imagine - no way am I risking Corbyn anywhere near power.MarqueeMark said:
Wrong. That 2017 exit poll hangs over every wobbly Tory.rottenborough said:
If landslide talk gets some momentum, then I think we will see a swing back. This electorate doesn't want either of them basically.MarqueeMark said:
Labour are so screwed if the Tories are making gains in London.HYUFD said:
Plus Enfield SouthgateBlack_Rook said:
The Tory position should hold up reasonably well both in wealthier areas and in the more Leave-leaning parts of the capital's periphery. Indeed, if they can fight off the Lib Dem challenge in most of the seats where they're in contention then it's not inconceivable that the net Conservative position could be zero or even positive. In terms of possible Con gains, Croydon Central, Carshalton & Wallington and Dagenham & Rainham all have to be in play, surely?Byronic said:Tories well ahead in Hendon and Chelsea. Deltapoll.
Is it possible Boris will do much better in london than we think?
Corbyn’s communist manifesto must surely help him in the wealthier areas.0 -
Who gives a fuck about this weeks squeeze and a political prop, better he hides them away than remind us what an amoral reprehensible human being he is.Big_G_NorthWales said:It looks like Boris will, at tomorrows manifesto launch, intoduce Carrie and maybe even Dilyn
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I hope he does win. I never really liked him, but he's been a fighter.rottenborough said:0 -
That'll be nice.Big_G_NorthWales said:It looks like Boris will, at tomorrows manifesto launch, intoduce Carrie and maybe even Dilyn
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I think McDonald is tasty.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
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Not a quitter.kle4 said:
I hope he does win. I never really liked him, but he's been a fighter.rottenborough said:0 -
I presume the bit where he says everything went right for Labour this week. But that might not be partial if that is a general view among the commentariat.nichomar said:What is biased about what he days? If a then disappointing if b maybe some hope for labour it is not biased.
Big_G_NorthWales said:
And this from one of the many Sky labour cheerleadersrottenborough said:
Every tweet from Goodall is pro labour, as are his connections
And Sky are meant to be impartial. He is as bad if not worse than Faisal Islam0 -
He is labour, he spent a lot of time in Laura Pidcocks constituency tweeting how well they were doing, his reports are all slanted to labour and he has written books on the left and been with the IPPRnichomar said:What is biased about what he days? If a then disappointing if b maybe some hope for labour it is not biased.
Big_G_NorthWales said:
And this from one of the many Sky labour cheerleadersrottenborough said:
Every tweet from Goodall is pro labour, as are his connections
And Sky are meant to be impartial. He is as bad if not worse than Faisal Islam0 -
The media pays much less attention to polls than it used to.
I've hardly seen them mentioned at all on the TV anywhere - other than a general comment like "Con is ahead".
So I very much doubt there will be a big media narrative re chance of a Con landslide.
The BBC especially are always very cautious - remember Andrew Marr the night before a Blair landslide said couldn't be confident of polls, there were whispers of unusual movements in marginals etc.
Basically the BBC 100% always say it's very uncertain.1 -
It is over. This is unprecedented territory. Likely as not I will never see a non-Tory government again. Boris can do what the hell he likes on these numbers.nichomar said:
Who gives a fuck about this weeks squeeze and a political prop, better he hides them away than remind us what an amoral reprehensible human being he is.Big_G_NorthWales said:It looks like Boris will, at tomorrows manifesto launch, intoduce Carrie and maybe even Dilyn
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I think Labour are fucked, and I've thought that for a while, but there are a couple of possibilities.Byronic said:
Hopecasting there. It’s not just the Tory leads, it’s the trend. And the trend is Tories rising, Labour flatlining of even falling.rottenborough said:
It’s the trend that’s crucial, in 2017 the trend for Labour to catch up was already obvious by now, this time the trend is the opposite.
What can Labour do? They’ve used their ammo. Do they have a plan B?
The first is, obviously, the Conservative manifesto. This has been deliberately held back so that postal votes can be returned before it's released. Clearly Tories are nervous about making a repeat mistake of 2017. I'd rate this as very unlikely, but it's not impossible.
The second is that talk of a landslide majority for Johnson gathers momentum, and the electorate decide they'd rather not. The precedent of 2017 is actively unhelpful to Labour in this regard.
What these both boil down to is arguing for an anti-vote, for voters to vote against the Tories, against Johnson, against giving a landslide majority to the sort of Prime Minister who will prorogue Parliament to evade scrutiny, delay his manifesto to evade scrutiny and can't be trusted not to abuse the power that comes with a landslide majority.
Labour have been most comfortable with negative campaigning for a long time now, and it's all they have left.0 -
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You are rattlednichomar said:
Who gives a fuck about this weeks squeeze and a political prop, better he hides them away than remind us what an amoral reprehensible human being he is.Big_G_NorthWales said:It looks like Boris will, at tomorrows manifesto launch, intoduce Carrie and maybe even Dilyn
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I know but he is still not an honorable individualMexicanpete said:
It is over. This is unprecedented territory. Likely as not I will never see a non-Tory government again. Boris can do what the hell he likes on these numbers.nichomar said:
Who gives a fuck about this weeks squeeze and a political prop, better he hides them away than remind us what an amoral reprehensible human being he is.Big_G_NorthWales said:It looks like Boris will, at tomorrows manifesto launch, intoduce Carrie and maybe even Dilyn
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Interesting FT article on canvassing in wealthy london. Paywall I’m afraid.
https://www.ft.com/content/a92b02c0-0b26-11ea-bb52-34c8d9dc6d84?desktop=true
Lots of remainers sighing and saying ‘let’s just accept Brexit, we can’t risk Corbyn’ - a conversation probably being repeated across the kingdom.0 -
What a bizarre thing to do.Big_G_NorthWales said:It looks like Boris will, at tomorrows manifesto launch, intoduce Carrie and maybe even Dilyn
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Yes, if he genuinely thinks this week has mostly gone well for Labour then he's very, very blinkered. Otherwise, he's just spinning on behalf of his former employers.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And this from one of the many Sky labour cheerleadersrottenborough said:
Every tweet from Goodall is pro labour, as are his connections
And Sky are meant to be impartial. He is as bad if not worse than Faisal Islam
It's not impossible...CorrectHorseBattery said:
But will those seats vote for the Tories, I bloody hope not but I am starting to fear they willAndy_JS said:
Corbyn knows he'll lose seats in the North if he comes out unequivocally for Remain, whereas the party's safe seats in London, Manchester, Birmingham, etc, will vote Labour come what may. So it makes sense.nico67 said:Dan Hodges is talking tripe .
Corbyns neutral position is making the best of a bad situation, to come out fully for Remain now would be even worse .
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Not when Boris is such a safe pair of hands.Floater said:
Not just tories I would imagine - no way am I risking Corbyn anywhere near power.MarqueeMark said:
Wrong. That 2017 exit poll hangs over every wobbly Tory.rottenborough said:
If landslide talk gets some momentum, then I think we will see a swing back. This electorate doesn't want either of them basically.MarqueeMark said:
Labour are so screwed if the Tories are making gains in London.HYUFD said:
Plus Enfield SouthgateBlack_Rook said:
The Tory position should hold up reasonably well both in wealthier areas and in the more Leave-leaning parts of the capital's periphery. Indeed, if they can fight off the Lib Dem challenge in most of the seats where they're in contention then it's not inconceivable that the net Conservative position could be zero or even positive. In terms of possible Con gains, Croydon Central, Carshalton & Wallington and Dagenham & Rainham all have to be in play, surely?Byronic said:Tories well ahead in Hendon and Chelsea. Deltapoll.
Is it possible Boris will do much better in london than we think?
Corbyn’s communist manifesto must surely help him in the wealthier areas.0 -
Perhaps JC is playing a different game altogether. One in which he wins either way - if BJ gets a majority and we leave properly then the commanding heights are still achievable in the future without interference from the EU, but if by a miracle we get a hung parliament then he's PM.BannedinnParis said:
because he wants to leave himself?rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1198306034269466624
Er. Because Seamus and Murphy wont let him?
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Mhhhh KFCkle4 said:
I think McDonald is tasty.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
The tweet you responded to is a statement of fact/opinion it in itself isn’t biased so even if he is labour he is not reporting in a biased manner.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is labour, he spent a lot of time in Laura Pidcocks constituency tweeting how well they were doing, his reports are all slanted to labour and he has written books on the left and been with the IPPRnichomar said:What is biased about what he days? If a then disappointing if b maybe some hope for labour it is not biased.
Big_G_NorthWales said:
And this from one of the many Sky labour cheerleadersrottenborough said:
Every tweet from Goodall is pro labour, as are his connections
And Sky are meant to be impartial. He is as bad if not worse than Faisal Islam0 -
Its relative - but the tories are safer then LabourMexicanpete said:
Not when Boris is such a safe pair of hands.Floater said:
Not just tories I would imagine - no way am I risking Corbyn anywhere near power.MarqueeMark said:
Wrong. That 2017 exit poll hangs over every wobbly Tory.rottenborough said:
If landslide talk gets some momentum, then I think we will see a swing back. This electorate doesn't want either of them basically.MarqueeMark said:
Labour are so screwed if the Tories are making gains in London.HYUFD said:
Plus Enfield SouthgateBlack_Rook said:
The Tory position should hold up reasonably well both in wealthier areas and in the more Leave-leaning parts of the capital's periphery. Indeed, if they can fight off the Lib Dem challenge in most of the seats where they're in contention then it's not inconceivable that the net Conservative position could be zero or even positive. In terms of possible Con gains, Croydon Central, Carshalton & Wallington and Dagenham & Rainham all have to be in play, surely?Byronic said:Tories well ahead in Hendon and Chelsea. Deltapoll.
Is it possible Boris will do much better in london than we think?
Corbyn’s communist manifesto must surely help him in the wealthier areas.0 -
Wait until they start to blame each other rather than facebook or the weather. If the infighting starts before polling day then that's a sure way to make the result even more of a rout then already looks possible.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1198322497785085954
Excuses starting to roll in?1 -
That's the sort of degenerate behaviour that leads to pineapples on pizza.Floater said:
Mhhhh KFCkle4 said:
I think McDonald is tasty.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I like pineapple on ........TheScreamingEagles said:
That's the sort of degenerate behaviour that leads to pineapples on pizza.Floater said:
Mhhhh KFCkle4 said:
I think McDonald is tasty.TheScreamingEagles said:
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Bastani on christian name terms with Goodall tells you all you want to know how labour Goodall isrottenborough said:https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1198322497785085954
Excuses starting to roll in?0 -
Agreed. I thought Corbyn was dire and would lose, as I did last time, but not on this unprecedented scale.nichomar said:
I know but he is still not an honorable individualMexicanpete said:
It is over. This is unprecedented territory. Likely as not I will never see a non-Tory government again. Boris can do what the hell he likes on these numbers.nichomar said:
Who gives a fuck about this weeks squeeze and a political prop, better he hides them away than remind us what an amoral reprehensible human being he is.Big_G_NorthWales said:It looks like Boris will, at tomorrows manifesto launch, intoduce Carrie and maybe even Dilyn
Johnson has been forgiven for scandals that would have seen off anyone else. Remarkable!0 -
surely it will be dark forces blamed - nudge, nudgeNoSpaceName said:
Wait until they start to blame each other rather than facebook or the weather. If the infighting starts before polling day then that's a sure way to make the result even more of a rout then already looks possible.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1198322497785085954
Excuses starting to roll in?0 -
Because of CorbynMexicanpete said:
Agreed. I thought Corbyn was dire and would lose, as I did last time, but not on this unprecedented scale.nichomar said:
I know but he is still not an honorable individualMexicanpete said:
It is over. This is unprecedented territory. Likely as not I will never see a non-Tory government again. Boris can do what the hell he likes on these numbers.nichomar said:
Who gives a fuck about this weeks squeeze and a political prop, better he hides them away than remind us what an amoral reprehensible human being he is.Big_G_NorthWales said:It looks like Boris will, at tomorrows manifesto launch, intoduce Carrie and maybe even Dilyn
Johnson has been forgiven for scandals that would have seen off anyone else. Remarkable!0 -
Looks as though the Labour manifesto jumped the shark - a case where less would have been more, perhaps.
Ah well. Ironically have been busy playing Civ VI and see that was discussed upthread while you were waiting for the polls. Let's talk about that.
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Interesting, and matches up to my own experience in Hampstead and Kilburn, I think we're going to do a lot better than expected in London.Byronic said:Interesting FT article on canvassing in wealthy london. Paywall I’m afraid.
https://www.ft.com/content/a92b02c0-0b26-11ea-bb52-34c8d9dc6d84?desktop=true
Lots of remainers sighing and saying ‘let’s just accept Brexit, we can’t risk Corbyn’ - a conversation probably being repeated across the kingdom.0 -
Oh behave, political adviser knows political journalist shocker.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Bastani on christian name terms with Goodall tells you all you want to know how labour Goodall isrottenborough said:https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1198322497785085954
Excuses starting to roll in?
And do you want me list all the journos that refer to our PM as 'Boris'?0 -
The Country loves animalskle4 said:
What a bizarre thing to do.Big_G_NorthWales said:It looks like Boris will, at tomorrows manifesto launch, intoduce Carrie and maybe even Dilyn
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You’ll give some on here a heart attack posting that the number of 999 calls will have gone through the roof some have sold all their shares and booked planes to tax havens, you should be,rightly proud of yourselfTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
A Corbyn minority government would be less dangerous than a Johnson landslide!Floater said:
Its relative - but the tories are safer then LabourMexicanpete said:
Not when Boris is such a safe pair of hands.Floater said:
Not just tories I would imagine - no way am I risking Corbyn anywhere near power.MarqueeMark said:
Wrong. That 2017 exit poll hangs over every wobbly Tory.rottenborough said:
If landslide talk gets some momentum, then I think we will see a swing back. This electorate doesn't want either of them basically.MarqueeMark said:
Labour are so screwed if the Tories are making gains in London.HYUFD said:
Plus Enfield SouthgateBlack_Rook said:
The Tory position should hold up reasonably well both in wealthier areas and in the more Leave-leaning parts of the capital's periphery. Indeed, if they can fight off the Lib Dem challenge in most of the seats where they're in contention then it's not inconceivable that the net Conservative position could be zero or even positive. In terms of possible Con gains, Croydon Central, Carshalton & Wallington and Dagenham & Rainham all have to be in play, surely?Byronic said:Tories well ahead in Hendon and Chelsea. Deltapoll.
Is it possible Boris will do much better in london than we think?
Corbyn’s communist manifesto must surely help him in the wealthier areas.0 -
Ah, nostalgiaTheScreamingEagles said:
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Haven't played Civ VI for some time, but when I did I always played on the easiest setting.NickPalmer said:Looks as though the Labour manifesto jumped the shark - a case where less would have been more, perhaps.
Ah well. Ironically have been busy playing Civ VI and see that was discussed upthread while you were waiting for the polls. Let's talk about that.
I like to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and to hear etc, etc...0 -
Just google "The great Brexit dilemma" and click the link. This may not work on mobile devices.Byronic said:Interesting FT article on canvassing in wealthy london. Paywall I’m afraid.
https://www.ft.com/content/a92b02c0-0b26-11ea-bb52-34c8d9dc6d84?desktop=true
Lots of remainers sighing and saying ‘let’s just accept Brexit, we can’t risk Corbyn’ - a conversation probably being repeated across the kingdom.1 -
When the blame game starts in earnest I am sure that no-one will escape censure. I certainly expect to be blamed.Floater said:
surely it will be dark forces blamed - nudge, nudgeNoSpaceName said:
Wait until they start to blame each other rather than facebook or the weather. If the infighting starts before polling day then that's a sure way to make the result even more of a rout then already looks possible.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1198322497785085954
Excuses starting to roll in?0 -
Yes. I had a nanosecond-long cardiac arrestnichomar said:
You’ll give some on here a heart attack posting that the number of 999 calls will have gone through the roof some have sold all their shares and booked planes to tax havens, you should be,rightly proud of yourselfTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Everyone calls Boris, Boris. Goodall has a labour supporting pedigreeTheScreamingEagles said:
Oh behave, political adviser knows political journalist shocker.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Bastani on christian name terms with Goodall tells you all you want to know how labour Goodall isrottenborough said:https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1198322497785085954
Excuses starting to roll in?
And do you want me list all the journos that refer to our PM as 'Boris'?0 -
Maybe not 😌 Leave seems to be shrinking in themCorrectHorseBattery said:I'll say it, Labour is now in big trouble
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Why notNickPalmer said:Looks as though the Labour manifesto jumped the shark - a case where less would have been more, perhaps.
Ah well. Ironically have been busy playing Civ VI and see that was discussed upthread while you were waiting for the polls. Let's talk about that.
Difficulty level and Civ you played?
I don't play particularly high difficulty but currently playing with a mod which adds various Game of Thrones leaders
Also I prefer HUGE maps0 -
I doubt Corbyn personally thinks they are dickheads or idiots, though there's definitely some who think that.Black_Rook said:
Yes, if he genuinely thinks this week has mostly gone well for Labour then he's very, very blinkered. Otherwise, he's just spinning on behalf of his former employers.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And this from one of the many Sky labour cheerleadersrottenborough said:
Every tweet from Goodall is pro labour, as are his connections
And Sky are meant to be impartial. He is as bad if not worse than Faisal Islam
It's not impossible...CorrectHorseBattery said:
But will those seats vote for the Tories, I bloody hope not but I am starting to fear they willAndy_JS said:
Corbyn knows he'll lose seats in the North if he comes out unequivocally for Remain, whereas the party's safe seats in London, Manchester, Birmingham, etc, will vote Labour come what may. So it makes sense.nico67 said:Dan Hodges is talking tripe .
Corbyns neutral position is making the best of a bad situation, to come out fully for Remain now would be even worse .
https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/11978912960121774090 -
Mmmmm ......... chocolate sprinkled on......No! I just can’t.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's the sort of degenerate behaviour that leads to pineapples on pizza.Floater said:
Mhhhh KFCkle4 said:
I think McDonald is tasty.TheScreamingEagles said:
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I play on a higher level of difficulty than that (3rd easiest) but yes, destroying the opposition is what its about :-)Black_Rook said:
Haven't played Civ VI for some time, but when I did I always played on the easiest setting.NickPalmer said:Looks as though the Labour manifesto jumped the shark - a case where less would have been more, perhaps.
Ah well. Ironically have been busy playing Civ VI and see that was discussed upthread while you were waiting for the polls. Let's talk about that.
I like to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and to hear etc, etc...0 -
How was it? Just picked it up on the cheap myself.NickPalmer said:Looks as though the Labour manifesto jumped the shark - a case where less would have been more, perhaps.
Ah well. Ironically have been busy playing Civ VI and see that was discussed upthread while you were waiting for the polls. Let's talk about that.0 -
I always play on relatively low difficulties, I just don't have the patience. Actually the last Civ style game I played was Endless Legend, which was pretty decent.Floater said:
Why notNickPalmer said:Looks as though the Labour manifesto jumped the shark - a case where less would have been more, perhaps.
Ah well. Ironically have been busy playing Civ VI and see that was discussed upthread while you were waiting for the polls. Let's talk about that.
Difficulty level and Civ you played?
I don't play particularly high difficulty but currently playing with a mod which adds various Game of Thrones leaders
Also I prefer HUGE maps0 -
I think its an excellent example of the genre - the gathering storm add on is worth it tookle4 said:
How was it? Just picked it up on the cheap myself.NickPalmer said:Looks as though the Labour manifesto jumped the shark - a case where less would have been more, perhaps.
Ah well. Ironically have been busy playing Civ VI and see that was discussed upthread while you were waiting for the polls. Let's talk about that.0 -
My eye was drawn to the dementia story to be honest.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Tomorrow's Sunil on Sunday ELBOW will be... interesting 0
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I have that as heard good things - like so many of my games not got to it yet.kle4 said:
I always play on relatively low difficulties, I just don't have the patience. Actually the last Civ style game I played was Endless Legend, which was pretty decent.Floater said:
Why notNickPalmer said:Looks as though the Labour manifesto jumped the shark - a case where less would have been more, perhaps.
Ah well. Ironically have been busy playing Civ VI and see that was discussed upthread while you were waiting for the polls. Let's talk about that.
Difficulty level and Civ you played?
I don't play particularly high difficulty but currently playing with a mod which adds various Game of Thrones leaders
Also I prefer HUGE maps0 -
But see the reference to ‘a communist’. They use that word. Working class people in the north think jezza is a communist, and they’re right. And they won’t vote for a commie.kle4 said:
I doubt Corbyn personally thinks they are dickheads or idiots, though there's definitely some who think that.Black_Rook said:
Yes, if he genuinely thinks this week has mostly gone well for Labour then he's very, very blinkered. Otherwise, he's just spinning on behalf of his former employers.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And this from one of the many Sky labour cheerleadersrottenborough said:
Every tweet from Goodall is pro labour, as are his connections
And Sky are meant to be impartial. He is as bad if not worse than Faisal Islam
It's not impossible...CorrectHorseBattery said:
But will those seats vote for the Tories, I bloody hope not but I am starting to fear they willAndy_JS said:
Corbyn knows he'll lose seats in the North if he comes out unequivocally for Remain, whereas the party's safe seats in London, Manchester, Birmingham, etc, will vote Labour come what may. So it makes sense.nico67 said:Dan Hodges is talking tripe .
Corbyns neutral position is making the best of a bad situation, to come out fully for Remain now would be even worse .
https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/11978912960121774090 -
Comrade Corbyn. In retrospect red ed wasn't so bad.Byronic said:
But see the reference to ‘a communist’. They use that word. Working class people in the north think jezza is a communist, and they’re right. And they won’t vote for a commie.kle4 said:
I doubt Corbyn personally thinks they are dickheads or idiots, though there's definitely some who think that.Black_Rook said:
Yes, if he genuinely thinks this week has mostly gone well for Labour then he's very, very blinkered. Otherwise, he's just spinning on behalf of his former employers.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And this from one of the many Sky labour cheerleadersrottenborough said:
Every tweet from Goodall is pro labour, as are his connections
And Sky are meant to be impartial. He is as bad if not worse than Faisal Islam
It's not impossible...CorrectHorseBattery said:
But will those seats vote for the Tories, I bloody hope not but I am starting to fear they willAndy_JS said:
Corbyn knows he'll lose seats in the North if he comes out unequivocally for Remain, whereas the party's safe seats in London, Manchester, Birmingham, etc, will vote Labour come what may. So it makes sense.nico67 said:Dan Hodges is talking tripe .
Corbyns neutral position is making the best of a bad situation, to come out fully for Remain now would be even worse .
https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/11978912960121774090 -
You can usually get round the FT paywall by googling it with the title of the article. (I've never understood what the point of the FT paywall is given that fact).Byronic said:Interesting FT article on canvassing in wealthy london. Paywall I’m afraid.
https://www.ft.com/content/a92b02c0-0b26-11ea-bb52-34c8d9dc6d84?desktop=true
Lots of remainers sighing and saying ‘let’s just accept Brexit, we can’t risk Corbyn’ - a conversation probably being repeated across the kingdom.1 -
https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1198333388974891008
Think we saw this earlier anyway.
This will be the most "positive" poll for Labour - and that's bad0 -
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I’ve said 160 to 180 for weeks now we are stuck between to reprehensible individuals where in the end you think you choose the one that will do least damage. Of all the news I have watched today was the idiot Hancock saying it was impossible to leave without a deal as the Johnson deal will be passed. He could not grasp that he has five months to agree the future working relationship with the EU before needing to seek an extension. The alternative is no deal, also sneaked into the news was that when Johnson wins the civil service have been told to step up no deal planning.Mexicanpete said:
Agreed. I thought Corbyn was dire and would lose, as I did last time, but not on this unprecedented scale.nichomar said:
I know but he is still not an honorable individualMexicanpete said:
It is over. This is unprecedented territory. Likely as not I will never see a non-Tory government again. Boris can do what the hell he likes on these numbers.nichomar said:
Who gives a fuck about this weeks squeeze and a political prop, better he hides them away than remind us what an amoral reprehensible human being he is.Big_G_NorthWales said:It looks like Boris will, at tomorrows manifesto launch, intoduce Carrie and maybe even Dilyn
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Yes that was out much earlierCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1198333388974891008
Think we saw this earlier anyway.
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Look on the brightside. Labour will hold Gateshead and Jarrow. I mean, probably. Well, they might.0
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False consciousnessByronic said:
But see the reference to ‘a communist’. They use that word. Working class people in the north think jezza is a communist, and they’re right. And they won’t vote for a commie.kle4 said:
I doubt Corbyn personally thinks they are dickheads or idiots, though there's definitely some who think that.Black_Rook said:
Yes, if he genuinely thinks this week has mostly gone well for Labour then he's very, very blinkered. Otherwise, he's just spinning on behalf of his former employers.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And this from one of the many Sky labour cheerleadersrottenborough said:
Every tweet from Goodall is pro labour, as are his connections
And Sky are meant to be impartial. He is as bad if not worse than Faisal Islam
It's not impossible...CorrectHorseBattery said:
But will those seats vote for the Tories, I bloody hope not but I am starting to fear they willAndy_JS said:
Corbyn knows he'll lose seats in the North if he comes out unequivocally for Remain, whereas the party's safe seats in London, Manchester, Birmingham, etc, will vote Labour come what may. So it makes sense.nico67 said:Dan Hodges is talking tripe .
Corbyns neutral position is making the best of a bad situation, to come out fully for Remain now would be even worse .
https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/11978912960121774090 -
It's disastrous.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1198333388974891008
Think we saw this earlier anyway.
This will be the most "positive" poll for Labour - and that's bad
Labour will be panicking now.0 -
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"As Jeremy Corbyn is surrounded by cheering crowds, Labour generally, and the left specifically, are teetering on the edge of looming calamity."
You were right @OwenJones840 -
The polls don't appear to have turned (apart from Opinium, which appears to be an outlier.) They might have flat-lined, but we need a proper trend to carry on for a little while before we can, ever so tentatively, conclude that this has happened.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
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No it seems to be new. Later fieldwork. Added all up it means the Tories are probably about 12-14 points ahead. Very healthy. But no room for complacency!CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1198333388974891008
Think we saw this earlier anyway.
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Con gain Bootle looks nailed on.RobD said:Have I missed much?
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Deltapoll for the mail, maybe othersCorrectHorseBattery said:Are we due any more today?
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I think we are approaching a crossover moment, where the Tories' nervousness despite big leads will dissipate, and Labour's confidence despite those big Tory leads will also start to dissipate.nunu2 said:
It's disastrous.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1198333388974891008
Think we saw this earlier anyway.
This will be the most "positive" poll for Labour - and that's bad
Labour will be panicking now.
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It matters what they will be panicking about. Will they be panicking about the the scale of the defeat, or will they be panicking about how to secure the succession to Corbyn?nunu2 said:
It's disastrous.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1198333388974891008
Think we saw this earlier anyway.
This will be the most "positive" poll for Labour - and that's bad
Labour will be panicking now.0 -
And Carrie and Dilynalex_ said:Imagine if voters actually like the Tory manifesto...
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Lolalex_ said:Imagine if voters actually like the Tory manifesto...
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Only Johnson supporting people call him by his assumed second given name, not even his family who apparently call him Al.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Everyone calls Boris, Boris. Goodall has a labour supporting pedigreeTheScreamingEagles said:
Oh behave, political adviser knows political journalist shocker.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Bastani on christian name terms with Goodall tells you all you want to know how labour Goodall isrottenborough said:https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1198322497785085954
Excuses starting to roll in?
And do you want me list all the journos that refer to our PM as 'Boris'?0 -
Where’s @Ave_it ??TheScreamingEagles said:
Con gain Bootle looks nailed on.RobD said:Have I missed much?
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Deltapoll, usually out by 9.30pmCorrectHorseBattery said:Are we due any more today?
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That 37-31 made me put money on Labour Most seats.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
No it’s new. Later fieldwork. I think.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes that was out much earlierCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1198333388974891008
Think we saw this earlier anyway.
This will be the most "positive" poll for Labour - and that's bad
It’s mildly important because all of it was done after the manifesto launch, so it shows Labour have not benefited at all.0 -
The latter has been the main occupation at the very top of the party for some time I suspect.NoSpaceName said:
It matters what they will be panicking about. Will they be panicking about the the scale of the defeat, or will they be panicking about how to secure the succession to Corbyn?nunu2 said:
It's disastrous.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1198333388974891008
Think we saw this earlier anyway.
This will be the most "positive" poll for Labour - and that's bad
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Agree.IshmaelZ said:
Just google "The great Brexit dilemma" and click the link. This may not work on mobile devices.Byronic said:Interesting FT article on canvassing in wealthy london. Paywall I’m afraid.
https://www.ft.com/content/a92b02c0-0b26-11ea-bb52-34c8d9dc6d84?desktop=true
Lots of remainers sighing and saying ‘let’s just accept Brexit, we can’t risk Corbyn’ - a conversation probably being repeated across the kingdom.
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Much easier.nunu2 said:Surely driverlees train technology would be easier to perfect than driver less cars
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If labour do end up in the 160 to 180 range surely they are going to absolutely rip themselves apart over it? The left wont accept any move away from Corbynism and the cooper bennites will refuse to go on with it.0
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No deal planning was stepped up before a deal was agreed. Most likely Johnson will either get the future relationship sorted in 2020 or, more probably, he'll tell Parliament that he's most of the way there and an extension is needed to dot the i's and cross the t's. However close to or distant from the truth that claim happens to be at the time.nichomar said:L
I’ve said 160 to 180 for weeks now we are stuck between to reprehensible individuals where in the end you think you choose the one that will do least damage. Of all the news I have watched today was the idiot Hancock saying it was impossible to leave without a deal as the Johnson deal will be passed. He could not grasp that he has five months to agree the future working relationship with the EU before needing to seek an extension. The alternative is no deal, also sneaked into the news was that when Johnson wins the civil service have been told to step up no deal planning.Mexicanpete said:
Agreed. I thought Corbyn was dire and would lose, as I did last time, but not on this unprecedented scale.nichomar said:
I know but he is still not an honorable individualMexicanpete said:
It is over. This is unprecedented territory. Likely as not I will never see a non-Tory government again. Boris can do what the hell he likes on these numbers.nichomar said:
Who gives a fuck about this weeks squeeze and a political prop, better he hides them away than remind us what an amoral reprehensible human being he is.Big_G_NorthWales said:It looks like Boris will, at tomorrows manifesto launch, intoduce Carrie and maybe even Dilyn
Johnson has been forgiven for scandals that would have seen off anyone else. Remarkable!
If he manages to win the election at all, let alone with a comfortable majority, then he can get away with pushing out these deadlines afterwards.0 -
Don’t forget Johnson wanted to introduce fox hunting in London to combat urban foxesBig_G_NorthWales said:
And Carrie and Dilynalex_ said:Imagine if voters actually like the Tory manifesto...
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Was that supposed to be a pun? 😀StuartDickson said:
Much easier.nunu2 said:Surely driverlees train technology would be easier to perfect than driver less cars
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I can see ways in which a leaky paywall could increase overall revenues. And in many ways a newsstand is a leaky paywall.Andy_JS said:
You can usually get round the FT paywall by googling it with the title of the article. (I've never understood what the point of the FT paywall is given that fact).Byronic said:Interesting FT article on canvassing in wealthy london. Paywall I’m afraid.
https://www.ft.com/content/a92b02c0-0b26-11ea-bb52-34c8d9dc6d84?desktop=true
Lots of remainers sighing and saying ‘let’s just accept Brexit, we can’t risk Corbyn’ - a conversation probably being repeated across the kingdom.1 -
They will pin it all on Jez and Brexit and carry on with the Marxism.wooliedyed said:If labour do end up in the 160 to 180 range surely they are going to absolutely rip themselves apart over it? The left wont accept any move away from Corbynism and the cooper bennites will refuse to go on with it.
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