No, the Corbynites hate Chukka even than they hate the Jews.
Apparently you can never forgive anyone who defects from your party.
How many of the good voting folk of the Cities are Corbynites?
There are council estates everywhere.
I'm not convinced your average council house tenant is a Corbynista.
In Barnes the council house vote has gone LD-> BXP and the wealthy part of Barnes has gone Con-> LD. Luckily the council house part is only 20% of Barnes.
There is no BXP standing so I expect a lot of the council house vote will be NV rather than Con.
Tories well ahead in Hendon and Chelsea. Deltapoll.
Is it possible Boris will do much better in london than we think?
Corbyn’s communist manifesto must surely help him in the wealthier areas.
The Tory position should hold up reasonably well both in wealthier areas and in the more Leave-leaning parts of the capital's periphery. Indeed, if they can fight off the Lib Dem challenge in most of the seats where they're in contention then it's not inconceivable that the net Conservative position could be zero or even positive. In terms of possible Con gains, Croydon Central, Carshalton & Wallington and Dagenham & Rainham all have to be in play, surely?
Plus Enfield Southgate
Labour are so screwed if the Tories are making gains in London.
If landslide talk gets some momentum, then I think we will see a swing back. This electorate doesn't want either of them basically.
Wrong. That 2017 exit poll hangs over every wobbly Tory.
Not just tories I would imagine - no way am I risking Corbyn anywhere near power.
It looks like Boris will, at tomorrows manifesto launch, intoduce Carrie and maybe even Dilyn
Who gives a fuck about this weeks squeeze and a political prop, better he hides them away than remind us what an amoral reprehensible human being he is.
And this from one of the many Sky labour cheerleaders
Every tweet from Goodall is pro labour, as are his connections
And Sky are meant to be impartial. He is as bad if not worse than Faisal Islam
I presume the bit where he says everything went right for Labour this week. But that might not be partial if that is a general view among the commentariat.
And this from one of the many Sky labour cheerleaders
Every tweet from Goodall is pro labour, as are his connections
And Sky are meant to be impartial. He is as bad if not worse than Faisal Islam
He is labour, he spent a lot of time in Laura Pidcocks constituency tweeting how well they were doing, his reports are all slanted to labour and he has written books on the left and been with the IPPR
The media pays much less attention to polls than it used to.
I've hardly seen them mentioned at all on the TV anywhere - other than a general comment like "Con is ahead".
So I very much doubt there will be a big media narrative re chance of a Con landslide.
The BBC especially are always very cautious - remember Andrew Marr the night before a Blair landslide said couldn't be confident of polls, there were whispers of unusual movements in marginals etc.
Basically the BBC 100% always say it's very uncertain.
It looks like Boris will, at tomorrows manifesto launch, intoduce Carrie and maybe even Dilyn
Who gives a fuck about this weeks squeeze and a political prop, better he hides them away than remind us what an amoral reprehensible human being he is.
It is over. This is unprecedented territory. Likely as not I will never see a non-Tory government again. Boris can do what the hell he likes on these numbers.
Hopecasting there. It’s not just the Tory leads, it’s the trend. And the trend is Tories rising, Labour flatlining of even falling.
It’s the trend that’s crucial, in 2017 the trend for Labour to catch up was already obvious by now, this time the trend is the opposite.
What can Labour do? They’ve used their ammo. Do they have a plan B?
I think Labour are fucked, and I've thought that for a while, but there are a couple of possibilities.
The first is, obviously, the Conservative manifesto. This has been deliberately held back so that postal votes can be returned before it's released. Clearly Tories are nervous about making a repeat mistake of 2017. I'd rate this as very unlikely, but it's not impossible.
The second is that talk of a landslide majority for Johnson gathers momentum, and the electorate decide they'd rather not. The precedent of 2017 is actively unhelpful to Labour in this regard.
What these both boil down to is arguing for an anti-vote, for voters to vote against the Tories, against Johnson, against giving a landslide majority to the sort of Prime Minister who will prorogue Parliament to evade scrutiny, delay his manifesto to evade scrutiny and can't be trusted not to abuse the power that comes with a landslide majority.
Labour have been most comfortable with negative campaigning for a long time now, and it's all they have left.
It looks like Boris will, at tomorrows manifesto launch, intoduce Carrie and maybe even Dilyn
Who gives a fuck about this weeks squeeze and a political prop, better he hides them away than remind us what an amoral reprehensible human being he is.
It looks like Boris will, at tomorrows manifesto launch, intoduce Carrie and maybe even Dilyn
Who gives a fuck about this weeks squeeze and a political prop, better he hides them away than remind us what an amoral reprehensible human being he is.
It is over. This is unprecedented territory. Likely as not I will never see a non-Tory government again. Boris can do what the hell he likes on these numbers.
I know but he is still not an honorable individual
And this from one of the many Sky labour cheerleaders
Every tweet from Goodall is pro labour, as are his connections
And Sky are meant to be impartial. He is as bad if not worse than Faisal Islam
Yes, if he genuinely thinks this week has mostly gone well for Labour then he's very, very blinkered. Otherwise, he's just spinning on behalf of his former employers.
Corbyns neutral position is making the best of a bad situation, to come out fully for Remain now would be even worse .
Corbyn knows he'll lose seats in the North if he comes out unequivocally for Remain, whereas the party's safe seats in London, Manchester, Birmingham, etc, will vote Labour come what may. So it makes sense.
But will those seats vote for the Tories, I bloody hope not but I am starting to fear they will
Tories well ahead in Hendon and Chelsea. Deltapoll.
Is it possible Boris will do much better in london than we think?
Corbyn’s communist manifesto must surely help him in the wealthier areas.
The Tory position should hold up reasonably well both in wealthier areas and in the more Leave-leaning parts of the capital's periphery. Indeed, if they can fight off the Lib Dem challenge in most of the seats where they're in contention then it's not inconceivable that the net Conservative position could be zero or even positive. In terms of possible Con gains, Croydon Central, Carshalton & Wallington and Dagenham & Rainham all have to be in play, surely?
Plus Enfield Southgate
Labour are so screwed if the Tories are making gains in London.
If landslide talk gets some momentum, then I think we will see a swing back. This electorate doesn't want either of them basically.
Wrong. That 2017 exit poll hangs over every wobbly Tory.
Not just tories I would imagine - no way am I risking Corbyn anywhere near power.
Perhaps JC is playing a different game altogether. One in which he wins either way - if BJ gets a majority and we leave properly then the commanding heights are still achievable in the future without interference from the EU, but if by a miracle we get a hung parliament then he's PM.
And this from one of the many Sky labour cheerleaders
Every tweet from Goodall is pro labour, as are his connections
And Sky are meant to be impartial. He is as bad if not worse than Faisal Islam
He is labour, he spent a lot of time in Laura Pidcocks constituency tweeting how well they were doing, his reports are all slanted to labour and he has written books on the left and been with the IPPR
The tweet you responded to is a statement of fact/opinion it in itself isn’t biased so even if he is labour he is not reporting in a biased manner.
Tories well ahead in Hendon and Chelsea. Deltapoll.
Is it possible Boris will do much better in london than we think?
Corbyn’s communist manifesto must surely help him in the wealthier areas.
The Tory position should hold up reasonably well both in wealthier areas and in the more Leave-leaning parts of the capital's periphery. Indeed, if they can fight off the Lib Dem challenge in most of the seats where they're in contention then it's not inconceivable that the net Conservative position could be zero or even positive. In terms of possible Con gains, Croydon Central, Carshalton & Wallington and Dagenham & Rainham all have to be in play, surely?
Plus Enfield Southgate
Labour are so screwed if the Tories are making gains in London.
If landslide talk gets some momentum, then I think we will see a swing back. This electorate doesn't want either of them basically.
Wrong. That 2017 exit poll hangs over every wobbly Tory.
Not just tories I would imagine - no way am I risking Corbyn anywhere near power.
Not when Boris is such a safe pair of hands.
Its relative - but the tories are safer then Labour
Wait until they start to blame each other rather than facebook or the weather. If the infighting starts before polling day then that's a sure way to make the result even more of a rout then already looks possible.
It looks like Boris will, at tomorrows manifesto launch, intoduce Carrie and maybe even Dilyn
Who gives a fuck about this weeks squeeze and a political prop, better he hides them away than remind us what an amoral reprehensible human being he is.
It is over. This is unprecedented territory. Likely as not I will never see a non-Tory government again. Boris can do what the hell he likes on these numbers.
I know but he is still not an honorable individual
Agreed. I thought Corbyn was dire and would lose, as I did last time, but not on this unprecedented scale.
Johnson has been forgiven for scandals that would have seen off anyone else. Remarkable!
Wait until they start to blame each other rather than facebook or the weather. If the infighting starts before polling day then that's a sure way to make the result even more of a rout then already looks possible.
surely it will be dark forces blamed - nudge, nudge
It looks like Boris will, at tomorrows manifesto launch, intoduce Carrie and maybe even Dilyn
Who gives a fuck about this weeks squeeze and a political prop, better he hides them away than remind us what an amoral reprehensible human being he is.
It is over. This is unprecedented territory. Likely as not I will never see a non-Tory government again. Boris can do what the hell he likes on these numbers.
I know but he is still not an honorable individual
Agreed. I thought Corbyn was dire and would lose, as I did last time, but not on this unprecedented scale.
Johnson has been forgiven for scandals that would have seen off anyone else. Remarkable!
You’ll give some on here a heart attack posting that the number of 999 calls will have gone through the roof some have sold all their shares and booked planes to tax havens, you should be,rightly proud of yourself
Tories well ahead in Hendon and Chelsea. Deltapoll.
Is it possible Boris will do much better in london than we think?
Corbyn’s communist manifesto must surely help him in the wealthier areas.
The Tory position should hold up reasonably well both in wealthier areas and in the more Leave-leaning parts of the capital's periphery. Indeed, if they can fight off the Lib Dem challenge in most of the seats where they're in contention then it's not inconceivable that the net Conservative position could be zero or even positive. In terms of possible Con gains, Croydon Central, Carshalton & Wallington and Dagenham & Rainham all have to be in play, surely?
Plus Enfield Southgate
Labour are so screwed if the Tories are making gains in London.
If landslide talk gets some momentum, then I think we will see a swing back. This electorate doesn't want either of them basically.
Wrong. That 2017 exit poll hangs over every wobbly Tory.
Not just tories I would imagine - no way am I risking Corbyn anywhere near power.
Not when Boris is such a safe pair of hands.
Its relative - but the tories are safer then Labour
A Corbyn minority government would be less dangerous than a Johnson landslide!
Wait until they start to blame each other rather than facebook or the weather. If the infighting starts before polling day then that's a sure way to make the result even more of a rout then already looks possible.
surely it will be dark forces blamed - nudge, nudge
When the blame game starts in earnest I am sure that no-one will escape censure. I certainly expect to be blamed.
You’ll give some on here a heart attack posting that the number of 999 calls will have gone through the roof some have sold all their shares and booked planes to tax havens, you should be,rightly proud of yourself
And this from one of the many Sky labour cheerleaders
Every tweet from Goodall is pro labour, as are his connections
And Sky are meant to be impartial. He is as bad if not worse than Faisal Islam
Yes, if he genuinely thinks this week has mostly gone well for Labour then he's very, very blinkered. Otherwise, he's just spinning on behalf of his former employers.
Corbyns neutral position is making the best of a bad situation, to come out fully for Remain now would be even worse .
Corbyn knows he'll lose seats in the North if he comes out unequivocally for Remain, whereas the party's safe seats in London, Manchester, Birmingham, etc, will vote Labour come what may. So it makes sense.
But will those seats vote for the Tories, I bloody hope not but I am starting to fear they will
Looks as though the Labour manifesto jumped the shark - a case where less would have been more, perhaps.
Ah well. Ironically have been busy playing Civ VI and see that was discussed upthread while you were waiting for the polls. Let's talk about that.
Why not
Difficulty level and Civ you played?
I don't play particularly high difficulty but currently playing with a mod which adds various Game of Thrones leaders
Also I prefer HUGE maps
I always play on relatively low difficulties, I just don't have the patience. Actually the last Civ style game I played was Endless Legend, which was pretty decent.
And this from one of the many Sky labour cheerleaders
Every tweet from Goodall is pro labour, as are his connections
And Sky are meant to be impartial. He is as bad if not worse than Faisal Islam
Yes, if he genuinely thinks this week has mostly gone well for Labour then he's very, very blinkered. Otherwise, he's just spinning on behalf of his former employers.
Corbyns neutral position is making the best of a bad situation, to come out fully for Remain now would be even worse .
Corbyn knows he'll lose seats in the North if he comes out unequivocally for Remain, whereas the party's safe seats in London, Manchester, Birmingham, etc, will vote Labour come what may. So it makes sense.
But will those seats vote for the Tories, I bloody hope not but I am starting to fear they will
I doubt Corbyn personally thinks they are dickheads or idiots, though there's definitely some who think that.
But see the reference to ‘a communist’. They use that word. Working class people in the north think jezza is a communist, and they’re right. And they won’t vote for a commie.
Looks as though the Labour manifesto jumped the shark - a case where less would have been more, perhaps.
Ah well. Ironically have been busy playing Civ VI and see that was discussed upthread while you were waiting for the polls. Let's talk about that.
Why not
Difficulty level and Civ you played?
I don't play particularly high difficulty but currently playing with a mod which adds various Game of Thrones leaders
Also I prefer HUGE maps
I always play on relatively low difficulties, I just don't have the patience. Actually the last Civ style game I played was Endless Legend, which was pretty decent.
I have that as heard good things - like so many of my games not got to it yet.
And this from one of the many Sky labour cheerleaders
Every tweet from Goodall is pro labour, as are his connections
And Sky are meant to be impartial. He is as bad if not worse than Faisal Islam
Yes, if he genuinely thinks this week has mostly gone well for Labour then he's very, very blinkered. Otherwise, he's just spinning on behalf of his former employers.
Corbyns neutral position is making the best of a bad situation, to come out fully for Remain now would be even worse .
Corbyn knows he'll lose seats in the North if he comes out unequivocally for Remain, whereas the party's safe seats in London, Manchester, Birmingham, etc, will vote Labour come what may. So it makes sense.
But will those seats vote for the Tories, I bloody hope not but I am starting to fear they will
I doubt Corbyn personally thinks they are dickheads or idiots, though there's definitely some who think that.
But see the reference to ‘a communist’. They use that word. Working class people in the north think jezza is a communist, and they’re right. And they won’t vote for a commie.
Comrade Corbyn. In retrospect red ed wasn't so bad.
Lots of remainers sighing and saying ‘let’s just accept Brexit, we can’t risk Corbyn’ - a conversation probably being repeated across the kingdom.
You can usually get round the FT paywall by googling it with the title of the article. (I've never understood what the point of the FT paywall is given that fact).
It looks like Boris will, at tomorrows manifesto launch, intoduce Carrie and maybe even Dilyn
Who gives a fuck about this weeks squeeze and a political prop, better he hides them away than remind us what an amoral reprehensible human being he is.
It is over. This is unprecedented territory. Likely as not I will never see a non-Tory government again. Boris can do what the hell he likes on these numbers.
I know but he is still not an honorable individual
Agreed. I thought Corbyn was dire and would lose, as I did last time, but not on this unprecedented scale.
Johnson has been forgiven for scandals that would have seen off anyone else. Remarkable!
I’ve said 160 to 180 for weeks now we are stuck between to reprehensible individuals where in the end you think you choose the one that will do least damage. Of all the news I have watched today was the idiot Hancock saying it was impossible to leave without a deal as the Johnson deal will be passed. He could not grasp that he has five months to agree the future working relationship with the EU before needing to seek an extension. The alternative is no deal, also sneaked into the news was that when Johnson wins the civil service have been told to step up no deal planning.
And this from one of the many Sky labour cheerleaders
Every tweet from Goodall is pro labour, as are his connections
And Sky are meant to be impartial. He is as bad if not worse than Faisal Islam
Yes, if he genuinely thinks this week has mostly gone well for Labour then he's very, very blinkered. Otherwise, he's just spinning on behalf of his former employers.
Corbyns neutral position is making the best of a bad situation, to come out fully for Remain now would be even worse .
Corbyn knows he'll lose seats in the North if he comes out unequivocally for Remain, whereas the party's safe seats in London, Manchester, Birmingham, etc, will vote Labour come what may. So it makes sense.
But will those seats vote for the Tories, I bloody hope not but I am starting to fear they will
I doubt Corbyn personally thinks they are dickheads or idiots, though there's definitely some who think that.
But see the reference to ‘a communist’. They use that word. Working class people in the north think jezza is a communist, and they’re right. And they won’t vote for a commie.
The polls don't appear to have turned (apart from Opinium, which appears to be an outlier.) They might have flat-lined, but we need a proper trend to carry on for a little while before we can, ever so tentatively, conclude that this has happened.
This will be the most "positive" poll for Labour - and that's bad
No it seems to be new. Later fieldwork. Added all up it means the Tories are probably about 12-14 points ahead. Very healthy. But no room for complacency!
This will be the most "positive" poll for Labour - and that's bad
It's disastrous.
Labour will be panicking now.
I think we are approaching a crossover moment, where the Tories' nervousness despite big leads will dissipate, and Labour's confidence despite those big Tory leads will also start to dissipate.
It will be fascinating to see if the Tories can avoid hubris and easy mistakes, and if Labour respond proactively to these Tory leads rather than just believing they will go away.
This will be the most "positive" poll for Labour - and that's bad
It's disastrous.
Labour will be panicking now.
It matters what they will be panicking about. Will they be panicking about the the scale of the defeat, or will they be panicking about how to secure the succession to Corbyn?
This will be the most "positive" poll for Labour - and that's bad
It's disastrous.
Labour will be panicking now.
It matters what they will be panicking about. Will they be panicking about the the scale of the defeat, or will they be panicking about how to secure the succession to Corbyn?
The latter has been the main occupation at the very top of the party for some time I suspect.
If labour do end up in the 160 to 180 range surely they are going to absolutely rip themselves apart over it? The left wont accept any move away from Corbynism and the cooper bennites will refuse to go on with it.
It looks like Boris will, at tomorrows manifesto launch, intoduce Carrie and maybe even Dilyn
Who gives a fuck about this weeks squeeze and a political prop, better he hides them away than remind us what an amoral reprehensible human being he is.
It is over. This is unprecedented territory. Likely as not I will never see a non-Tory government again. Boris can do what the hell he likes on these numbers.
I know but he is still not an honorable individual
Agreed. I thought Corbyn was dire and would lose, as I did last time, but not on this unprecedented scale.
Johnson has been forgiven for scandals that would have seen off anyone else. Remarkable!
I’ve said 160 to 180 for weeks now we are stuck between to reprehensible individuals where in the end you think you choose the one that will do least damage. Of all the news I have watched today was the idiot Hancock saying it was impossible to leave without a deal as the Johnson deal will be passed. He could not grasp that he has five months to agree the future working relationship with the EU before needing to seek an extension. The alternative is no deal, also sneaked into the news was that when Johnson wins the civil service have been told to step up no deal planning.
No deal planning was stepped up before a deal was agreed. Most likely Johnson will either get the future relationship sorted in 2020 or, more probably, he'll tell Parliament that he's most of the way there and an extension is needed to dot the i's and cross the t's. However close to or distant from the truth that claim happens to be at the time.
If he manages to win the election at all, let alone with a comfortable majority, then he can get away with pushing out these deadlines afterwards.
Lots of remainers sighing and saying ‘let’s just accept Brexit, we can’t risk Corbyn’ - a conversation probably being repeated across the kingdom.
You can usually get round the FT paywall by googling it with the title of the article. (I've never understood what the point of the FT paywall is given that fact).
I can see ways in which a leaky paywall could increase overall revenues. And in many ways a newsstand is a leaky paywall.
If labour do end up in the 160 to 180 range surely they are going to absolutely rip themselves apart over it? The left wont accept any move away from Corbynism and the cooper bennites will refuse to go on with it.
They will pin it all on Jez and Brexit and carry on with the Marxism.
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There is no BXP standing so I expect a lot of the council house vote will be NV rather than Con.
https://twitter.com/election_data/status/1198322816543862784
https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/1198328544625090560
I've hardly seen them mentioned at all on the TV anywhere - other than a general comment like "Con is ahead".
So I very much doubt there will be a big media narrative re chance of a Con landslide.
The BBC especially are always very cautious - remember Andrew Marr the night before a Blair landslide said couldn't be confident of polls, there were whispers of unusual movements in marginals etc.
Basically the BBC 100% always say it's very uncertain.
The first is, obviously, the Conservative manifesto. This has been deliberately held back so that postal votes can be returned before it's released. Clearly Tories are nervous about making a repeat mistake of 2017. I'd rate this as very unlikely, but it's not impossible.
The second is that talk of a landslide majority for Johnson gathers momentum, and the electorate decide they'd rather not. The precedent of 2017 is actively unhelpful to Labour in this regard.
What these both boil down to is arguing for an anti-vote, for voters to vote against the Tories, against Johnson, against giving a landslide majority to the sort of Prime Minister who will prorogue Parliament to evade scrutiny, delay his manifesto to evade scrutiny and can't be trusted not to abuse the power that comes with a landslide majority.
Labour have been most comfortable with negative campaigning for a long time now, and it's all they have left.
Excuses starting to roll in?
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-7716181/How-Labours-manifesto-promises-four-pronged-assault-pension.html
https://www.ft.com/content/a92b02c0-0b26-11ea-bb52-34c8d9dc6d84?desktop=true
Lots of remainers sighing and saying ‘let’s just accept Brexit, we can’t risk Corbyn’ - a conversation probably being repeated across the kingdom.
https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1197891296012177409
Gammon
Johnson has been forgiven for scandals that would have seen off anyone else. Remarkable!
Ah well. Ironically have been busy playing Civ VI and see that was discussed upthread while you were waiting for the polls. Let's talk about that.
And do you want me list all the journos that refer to our PM as 'Boris'?
I like to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and to hear etc, etc...
Difficulty level and Civ you played?
I don't play particularly high difficulty but currently playing with a mod which adds various Game of Thrones leaders
Also I prefer HUGE maps
Think we saw this earlier anyway.
This will be the most "positive" poll for Labour - and that's bad
Labour will be panicking now.
You were right @OwenJones84
It will be fascinating to see if the Tories can avoid hubris and easy mistakes, and if Labour respond proactively to these Tory leads rather than just believing they will go away.
It’s mildly important because all of it was done after the manifesto launch, so it shows Labour have not benefited at all.
(This is my branch.)
If he manages to win the election at all, let alone with a comfortable majority, then he can get away with pushing out these deadlines afterwards.