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Boris sounds almost out of breath to me, anyone else?0
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Corbyn repeats his suggestion that there be no internal market in the NHS, despite plenty of areas where nobody would dispute private sector arrangements, such as GPs, pharmacies, and the like. Indeed to abolish the internal market might mean abolishing NHS Trusts?0
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Andrew Neil comes on PB ?SandyRentool said:PB Tories moaning about the ref.
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It's @kle4.. can't trust those neutral scum.squareroot2 said:I am not even watching it, but I know who is telling porkies in the comments.. You just get a sixth sense.
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Can we have VAR before Julie interrupts Boris?0
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trying to be tim and failing...SandyRentool said:PB Tories moaning about the ref.
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I think Emma Barnett is fantastic. But it is a poisoned chalice chairing a debate like this. I'm not sure anyone could get this to be something palatable for all sides. Personally I'd rather an hour-long one on one interview with each leader by Barnett or Neil.0
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Brexit first was a mistake0
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I'm afraid Julie Etchingham has bought into her own hype, too much from her.
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I think there will be Neil interviews at some point.TOPPING said:I think Emma Barnett is fantastic. But it is a poisoned chalice chairing a debate like this. I'm not sure anyone could get this. Personally I'd rather an hour-long one on one interview with each leader by Barnett or Neil.
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That is quite something. Bloody cheek.TheWhiteRabbit said:
All anyone wants to talk about on Twitter.Chameleon said:CCHQ have changd their twitter handle to "FactCheckUK". Very naughty.
https://twitter.com/CCHQPress
https://twitter.com/CCHQPress/status/1196891506390552576
I assume that was the point...0 -
What an odd question - mentioning the questioner talked about silly giveaways, then asking for a firm answer to whether austerity was over. Those are separate issues.
Sadly I do not always live up to my avatarRobD said:
It's @kle4.. can't trust those neutral scum.squareroot2 said:I am not even watching it, but I know who is telling porkies in the comments.. You just get a sixth sense.
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At least I've got actual polling on my side. If Brexit isn't going to be decisive in this election then why exactly is Boris winning it - because the public prefers his NHS policies?CorrectHorseBattery said:
You're as biased as me dude.BluerBlue said:
And you'll probably keep thinking that right up till December 13th...CorrectHorseBattery said:I think this "get Brexit done" thing is backfiring
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This is what is needed.RobD said:
I think there will be Neil interviews at some point.TOPPING said:I think Emma Barnett is fantastic. But it is a poisoned chalice chairing a debate like this. I'm not sure anyone could get this. Personally I'd rather an hour-long one on one interview with each leader by Barnett or Neil.
The format used here is very irritating to watch. No-one gets going, or is properly questioned.0 -
I did but Johnson has just made a massive promise that I don’t know if it possible to deliver on in that no one will have to sell their home to pay for care. This is big because when I go my wife will have to go into care probably for a long time and it hasn’t been challenged properly what does he mean ? Free dementia care for all ? What he got away with it.RobD said:
Didn't you read the side of the red bus?nichomar said:This is just bollocks bloody disgrace Johnson now goes solve the nhs by getting brexit done
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HS2 is go, we heard it there first.0
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We will see what happens.BluerBlue said:
At least I've got actual polling on my side. If Brexit isn't going to be decisive in this election then why exactly is Boris winning it - because the public prefers his NHS policies?CorrectHorseBattery said:
You're as biased as me dude.BluerBlue said:
And you'll probably keep thinking that right up till December 13th...CorrectHorseBattery said:I think this "get Brexit done" thing is backfiring
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They are both running out of steam.
They are I suppose old (white) men.2 -
I’m not sure these head to head debates work.0
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Agree.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
This is what is needed.RobD said:
I think there will be Neil interviews at some point.TOPPING said:I think Emma Barnett is fantastic. But it is a poisoned chalice chairing a debate like this. I'm not sure anyone could get this. Personally I'd rather an hour-long one on one interview with each leader by Barnett or Neil.
The format used here is very irritating to watch. No-one gets going, or is properly questioned.0 -
Bloody pb Tories.Flashy4 said:0 -
Personally I wrote out all my comments for the debate beforehand. Save time.squareroot2 said:I am not even watching it, but I know who is telling porkies in the comments.. You just get a sixth sense.
Good answer from Corbyn on the monarchy - well done.
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That's actually a good point. If, at the end of what sounds from the descriptions being offered like a highly uninformative shouting match, all that anyone remembers is soundbites about Brexit then they won't be remembering soundbites about the NHS.brokenwheel said:
Not really if it's the only slogan people are talking about...CorrectHorseBattery said:I think this "get Brexit done" thing is backfiring
Labour's support amongst its core of habit and client voters is secure, so it isn't going to get wiped out, but the NHS is the only weapon it has to try to win over the undecided. A good run of NHS scare stories is the difference between 210-220 seats and 250-260.0 -
Cymru 2-0 Hwngari
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Yes and a rehearsed one from Bozza.kle4 said:
Personally I wrote out all my comments for the debate beforehand. Save time.squareroot2 said:I am not even watching it, but I know who is telling porkies in the comments.. You just get a sixth sense.
Good answer from Corbyn on the monarchy - well done.0 -
What the fuck is the point in taking about Prince Andrew???0
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Corbyn getting heckled on climate change - not sure why?0
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XR types are unsatisfiable.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Corbyn getting heckled on climate change - not sure why?
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MarqueeMark said:
What the fuck is the point in taking about Prince Andrew???
Will get good clicks worldwide.MarqueeMark said:What the fuck is the point in taking about Prince Andrew???
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Has Johnson used the word ‘cripes’ yet?0
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That was a funny answer from Johnson there.0
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All about taking back control from our unelected rulers?MarqueeMark said:What the fuck is the point in taking about Prince Andrew???
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Great answer from Bozza on foreign leaders.0
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Oh gosh now we’re onto peace and love.0
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Boris regaining his mojo.-1
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We just heard Boris say Andy's "beyond reproach"?MarqueeMark said:What the fuck is the point in taking about Prince Andrew???
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I watched the first half of the debate but it was such a shambles I turned it off. Feel sorry that the country will be landed with one of these incompetents.2
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Barf0
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This debate is just not cutting it . No time for any proper debate . Corbyn won’t care though . It’s all about improving his image and improving his favourability .
He comes across as much more genuine who actually does care about people . Bozo is overdoing the get Brexit done , it’s now becoming every annoying .2 -
What present would they leave under the Christmas tree for each other? Corbyn says he would give Boris a Christmas Carol, Boris says he would give him a copy of his Brexit Deal and some dansom jam0
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The Monarhy. Not Andy.Sunil_Prasannan said:
We just heard Boris say Andy's "beyond reproach"?MarqueeMark said:What the fuck is the point in taking about Prince Andrew???
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Was that it? Bloody hell.0
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The quick fire round was better than the rest of it.3
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Great answer from Jezza on the christmas gifts. Not bad from Bozza.0
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Con Maj 1.52 from 1.53.0
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Corbyn is a one eyed bandit with worse odds0
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well no knock out blows there so will be surprised if the polls move much in either direction because of tonight.0
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You know why advertisers make their commercials deliberately annoying, right?nico67 said:This debate is just not cutting it . No time for any proper debate . Corbyn won’t care though . It’s all about improving his image and improving his favourability .
He comes across as much more genuine who actually does care about people . Bozo is overdoing the get Brexit done , it’s now becoming every annoying .0 -
Andy's part of the Monarchy, no?MarqueeMark said:
The Monarhy. Not Andy.Sunil_Prasannan said:
We just heard Boris say Andy's "beyond reproach"?MarqueeMark said:What the fuck is the point in taking about Prince Andrew???
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Big boo there0
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Neither of them comes better out of this debate than I thought of them beforehand, but it is remarkable what an utter shyster Bozo clearly is. What wrong turning did our poor country ever take to end with a choice such as this?0
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That was utter tripe0
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I think that was a groan, because he's persistently on message.CorrectHorseBattery said:Big boo there
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Corbyn conspicuously not answering questions, but other than the Brexit section generally getting much better lines out than Boris.nico67 said:This debate is just not cutting it . No time for any proper debate . Corbyn won’t care though . It’s all about improving his image and improving his favourability .
He comes across as much more genuine who actually does care about people . Bozo is overdoing the get Brexit done , it’s now becoming every annoying .0 -
Technically untrue.kle4 said:
XR types are unsatisfiable.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Corbyn getting heckled on climate change - not sure why?
If we all agreed to roam the wildwood as hunter-gatherers they'd be quite happy.
Except with the hunting bit.
Yes, sorry, you were right.0 -
God, that was crap.0
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Etchingham as bad as Maitliss a few months back...0
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So, polls? 0
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Groan from audience about Boris repeating the Brexit point, which actually is a bit unfair. Yes he's banged on about it and that is irritating, but its a political debate for christ's sake, including his main point in his summation is not unreasonable.0
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Now 1.51.0
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Both of the answers on the monarchy may end up being the most newsworthy part of the evening.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Andy's part of the Monarchy, no?MarqueeMark said:
The Monarhy. Not Andy.Sunil_Prasannan said:
We just heard Boris say Andy's "beyond reproach"?MarqueeMark said:What the fuck is the point in taking about Prince Andrew???
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The weakness of Corbyn is that he couldn't put Johnson under any pressure despite the fact that Johnson avoided answering questions.IanB2 said:Neither of them comes better out of this debate than I thought of them beforehand, but it is remarkable what an utter shyster Bozo clearly is. What wrong turning did our poor country ever take to end with a choice such as this?
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Score draw. Zero impact.0
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No clangers on either side
Time to laugh at Jo 10pm0 -
Is Corbyn for or against leaving the EU and what deal will he do with the SNP to gain power.
Excellent lines from Boris.
The snapshot of Jezza's face at the end betrayed his dismay at the whole thing. IMO.0 -
He could have produced Gladstonian oratory and Kantian thought and you’d still have whined about him.IanB2 said:Neither of them comes better out of this debate than I thought of them beforehand, but it is remarkable what an utter shyster Bozo clearly is. What wrong turning did our poor country ever take to end with a choice such as this?
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Clear Corbyn win by the end in my view, but let's see what the snap poll says.0
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Yes, an hour of my life I will not get back, no real blows either way.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:God, that was crap.
Switching over to Golddigger on BBC1 like most viewers now I expect1 -
Well what a shocker no knock out blows and no great revelation. Boris did better than I thought he might be was becoming a broken record towards the end. Corbyn didn’t break through on anything really but when on form was pretty personable.0
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That was fun. Boris full of energy with clarity, Corbyn was grumpy, tired and grinch like.
Dont let Corbyn steal Christmas.
Ps. I'm a LD and grew up in a Labour household.0 -
Be interested to see what YG says0
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Go on, I'll make myself a hostage to fortune:
I think Johnson edged the first half, Corbyn won the second by a bigger margin. Neither was great, but Corbyn wins the snap poll.0 -
Not in any meaningful way, no. If his elder brother had died in a bizarre gardening accident, maybe. But he is way down the line of succession.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Andy's part of the Monarchy, no?MarqueeMark said:
The Monarhy. Not Andy.Sunil_Prasannan said:
We just heard Boris say Andy's "beyond reproach"?MarqueeMark said:What the fuck is the point in taking about Prince Andrew???
Personally, I'd cut his Civil List money by about 97%.0 -
I was going to say the worst of these type of debates I d seen but then I remembered the Scottish euro debates earlier this year0
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Can everyone agree whether or not they think debates make a difference before we get a snap poll response, so that no one can claim that is what they think if it shows something bad for their side?
I'd shade it to Corbyn - more variety, he's clearer on most things, but Boris did get some blows in that Corbyn cannot queit dignity his way out of.
And i stand by thinking Corbyn's ratings will skyrocket - there's nowhere else for them to go, he cannot live down to that expectation.0 -
Indeed it does. Anyone who travels in Europe can see how far behind we are on rail. The point from the debate was that Bozo volunteered high speed rail unprompted as an example of how we’ll be investing in future infrastructure. Clearly his “review” is just another gimmick to try and keep his Luddites on board until Dec 12th.RobD said:
Makes sense for capacity reasons, doesn't it?IanB2 said:HS2 is go, we heard it there first.
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Michael Gove thinks Boris won.0
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Evening all. The day the Poch turned
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Is he in favour of leaving or remaining in the EU, Nick? He is leader of one of our two main political parties. What is his view? Let's let him lead us all.NickPalmer said:Clear Corbyn win by the end in my view, but let's see what the snap poll says.
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I'm happy with that - Corbyn needed to destroy and humiliate Boris if he's going to overcome his lead, but he doesn't have it in him.0
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That's a surprise Nick, I thought you'd go for BozzerNickPalmer said:Clear Corbyn win by the end in my view, but let's see what the snap poll says.
I'm not sure you can genuinely say somebody repeatedly laughed at was a clear winner0 -
I may be biased but I think Boris did better than I expected there.0
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What a pair of Kants.matt said:
He could have produced Gladstonian oratory and Kantian thought and you’d still have whined about him.IanB2 said:Neither of them comes better out of this debate than I thought of them beforehand, but it is remarkable what an utter shyster Bozo clearly is. What wrong turning did our poor country ever take to end with a choice such as this?
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My prediction was a negative score draw.
Judging by your reactions that seems about right.1 -
They were both crap. Corbyn looks shifty, Johnson sounds shifty. Corbyn couldn't answer where he stands on Brexit, Johnson couldn't answer even a Christmas question without talking about Brexit.2
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I think Corbyn missed an open goal with the 40 hospitals thing. He should have pointed out that Boris was lying in response to a question about trust and personal integrity.1
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And the whole thing is followed by I'm A Celebrity, which is what about 95% of the ITV audience was waiting for.numbertwelve said:Well what a shocker no knock out blows and no great revelation. Boris did better than I thought he might be was becoming a broken record towards the end. Corbyn didn’t break through on anything really but when on form was pretty personable.
They probably spent the preceding hour watching Holby or Supermarket Sweep.0 -
Gove now in spin room on BBC News Channel.0
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Corbyn narrow win, but all his lines will be forgotten within a few hours, whereas 'get brexit done' will stick in the mind.0
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Yeah, there was nothing newsworthy in there, although asking the sitting PM if he thought Prince Andrew was fit for purpose was interesting.another_richard said:My prediction was a negative score draw.
Judging by your reactions that seems about right.0 -
Interesting, I remember corbyn response that I applauded but don’t remember johnsonsStereotomy said:
Both of the answers on the monarchy may end up being the most newsworthy part of the evening.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Andy's part of the Monarchy, no?MarqueeMark said:
The Monarhy. Not Andy.Sunil_Prasannan said:
We just heard Boris say Andy's "beyond reproach"?MarqueeMark said:What the fuck is the point in taking about Prince Andrew???
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I think it was a game of three halves. Johnson won the first, Corbs the second and Johnson edged it in the third so I'm calling Johnson win.Quincel said:Go on, I'll make myself a hostage to fortune:
I think Johnson edged the first half, Corbyn won the second by a bigger margin. Neither was great, but Corbyn wins the snap poll.
Because: https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/11/07/which-issues-will-decide-general-election0 -
Maybe not, but the election is not about Labour beating the Tories, its ensuring the Tories do not win by enough to, well, properly win.BluerBlue said:I'm happy with that - Corbyn needed to destroy and humiliate Boris if he's going to overcome his lead, but he doesn't have it in him.
Has Corbyn done enough to follow the pattern of 2017 and see polling continue to tick up? Will Labour members have despaired, or LDs be put off?0
