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  • timmotimmo Posts: 1,469
    Jo swinson is at the debate..is she in the audience or.is she going to be a surprise addition in the third part
  • Apparently Johnson down significantly as most preferred between Corbyn and Johnson in Kantar poll - can anyone verify?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,652
    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    Hence forth Tory Swinson is renamed super Jo as she has managed to halve LD VI in a couple of months.

    Long may she reign.

    Well at least she doesn't help the tories as much as corbyn whch i is the single reason Johnson is heading for a majority.
    Why are LDs down from 22 to 12?

    Nothing to do with Super Jo or Jezza?
    Totally due to the sheer horror that many people feel about corbyn getting into power, you should really question why you want to lose elections and fail the people you pretend to want to help because losing with a true socialist platform is more important than actually changing people’s lives. Labour sub 200 big Tory majority all because of corbyn and his clique.
    So since October LD down from 22 to 12 and its all Corbyns fault. At least your consistent.

    Your leader is a voter repellent hypocritical lightweight you should get rid and get Layla in.

    No way LD vote would be nose diving faster than a Beoing 737 Max without Super Jo.
    You would find any lib dem leader repellent because you see them trying to occupy your entitled space in the ‘any but Tory vote’ spectrum and the bastards get elected to local councils depriving you of your god given right to anoint the next labour candidate. The tories believe the same, the duopoly is all they want to preserve but it will be what it will be. I predict that corbyn will be an even better helper than Michael Foot was to the Tory cause. It’s you’re own fault, nobody else you support him you live with him but at least criticism lib dem policies rather than petty personality slurs.
    "Totally" she is totally shite.

    Which policies the skills wallet winner or the 30 trillion trees
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698
    Barnesian said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    Hence forth Tory Swinson is renamed super Jo as she has managed to halve LD VI in a couple of months.

    Long may she reign.

    Well at least she doesn't help the tories as much as corbyn whch i is the single reason Johnson is heading for a majority.
    Why are LDs down from 22 to 12?

    Nothing to do with Super Jo or Jezza?
    Totally due to the sheer horror that many people feel about corbyn getting into power, you should really question why you want to lose elections and fail the people you pretend to want to help because losing with a true socialist platform is more important than actually changing people’s lives. Labour sub 200 big Tory majority all because of corbyn and his clique.
    So since October LD down from 22 to 12 and its all Corbyns fault. At least your consistent.

    Your leader is a voter repellent hypocritical lightweight you should get rid and get Layla in.

    No way LD vote would be nose diving faster than a Beoing 737 Max without Super Jo.
    As has already been explained, the LD vote going down is because of successful tactical voting. It will be going up in LD target seats and dropping rapidly in non-target seats to avoid splitting the remain vote. There are many more non-target seats so the average LD share comes down but hopefully the number of targets seats won by LDs goes up.

    I'm not dismayed by it. It's nothing to do with Jo but a function of successful targeting.
    But there is something fundamentally wrong with your model in London. I do not suggest the LDs will win Finchley or Hampstead - but those LD %s are impossible.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,652
    timmo said:

    Jo swinson is at the debate..is she in the audience or.is she going to be a surprise addition in the third part

    Heckling - "What about skills wallets and 30 trillion trees for the squirrels."
  • timmo said:

    Jo swinson is at the debate..is she in the audience or.is she going to be a surprise addition in the third part

    I wouldn’t put it past her to try and mount a stage invasion.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,486
    Pochettino sacked.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,652
    GIN1138 said:

    If Corbyn does well, this will be the start.

    If he does badly, it might well be the end.

    Although I think Johnson running away from one of the debates isn't a great idea.

    Corbyn will do well (be seen widely to have "won") and it will make absolutely no difference whatsoever.
    I think you are right.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922
    edited November 2019

    Apparently Johnson down significantly as most preferred between Corbyn and Johnson in Kantar poll - can anyone verify?

    I wouldn't call it significant. It was 33 Boris 19 Corbyn, now 35/22. So a net gain of 1 for Corbyn.
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    Hence forth Tory Swinson is renamed super Jo as she has managed to halve LD VI in a couple of months.

    Long may she reign.

    Well at least she doesn't help the tories as much as corbyn whch i is the single reason Johnson is heading for a majority.
    Why are LDs down from 22 to 12?

    Nothing to do with Super Jo or Jezza?
    Totally due to the sheer horror that many people feel about corbyn getting into power, you should really question why you want to lose elections and fail the people you pretend to want to help because losing with a true socialist platform is more important than actually changing people’s lives. Labour sub 200 big Tory majority all because of corbyn and his clique.
    So since October LD down from 22 to 12 and its all Corbyns fault. At least your consistent.

    Your leader is a voter repellent hypocritical lightweight you should get rid and get Layla in.

    No way LD vote would be nose diving faster than a Beoing 737 Max without Super Jo.
    You would find any lib dem leader repellent because you see them trying to occupy your entitled space in the ‘any but Tory vote’ spectrum and the bastards get elected to local councils depriving you of your god given right to anoint the next labour candidate. The tories believe the same, the duopoly is all they want to preserve but it will be what it will be. I predict that corbyn will be an even better helper than Michael Foot was to the Tory cause. It’s you’re own fault, nobody else you support him you live with him but at least criticism lib dem policies rather than petty personality slurs.
    "Totally" she is totally shite.

    Which policies the skills wallet winner or the 30 trillion trees
    It is difficult to know why you should want to play the caricature of a student trot in such a way that will repel any floating voters - but I guess that is another small benefit to the LDs.
  • RobD said:

    Apparently Johnson down significantly as most preferred between Corbyn and Johnson in Kantar poll - can anyone verify?

    Was 33 Boris 19 Corbyn now 35/22. So a net gain of 1 for Corbyn.
    Call me a dreamer but that's not much of a gap all things considered? I honestly thought Johnson would be miles ahead.

    Also in YouGov latest poll, youth intention up significantly. One to watch I think.
  • I'm gonna vote LD tactically here but Swinson is awful, she does this annoying head nodding thing that drives me mad
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922

    RobD said:

    Apparently Johnson down significantly as most preferred between Corbyn and Johnson in Kantar poll - can anyone verify?

    Was 33 Boris 19 Corbyn now 35/22. So a net gain of 1 for Corbyn.
    Call me a dreamer but that's not much of a gap all things considered? I honestly thought Johnson would be miles ahead.

    Also in YouGov latest poll, youth intention up significantly. One to watch I think.
    Maybe, but Johnson is clearly not down significantly. In fact, he's up.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,652

    Poch sacked.

    Becham?
  • Pochettino sacked.

    Gutted.
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698

    Pochettino sacked.

    Why Daniel Levy blames his manager when he is completely culpable is beyond me. A lying shyster who I still recall tapping up Berahino and ruining his career by suggesting he had made a £20m+ offer when it was £5m + add ons which would have never been paid.
  • Why s it clashing with Wales match???

    Nobody cares.
    Well if Scotland was in the same qualifying position I d be pretty grumpy with the timings
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    A whole £5.50 invested in buzzword bingo.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,652
    alb1on said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    Hence forth Tory Swinson is renamed super Jo as she has managed to halve LD VI in a couple of months.

    Long may she reign.

    Well at least she doesn't help the tories as much as corbyn whch i is the single reason Johnson is heading for a majority.
    Why are LDs down from 22 to 12?

    Nothing to do with Super Jo or Jezza?
    Totally due to the sheer horror that many people feel about corbyn getting into power, you should really question why you want to lose elections and fail the people you pretend to want to help because losing with a true socialist platform is more important than actually changing people’s lives. Labour sub 200 big Tory majority all because of corbyn and his clique.
    So since October LD down from 22 to 12 and its all Corbyns fault. At least your consistent.

    Your leader is a voter repellent hypocritical lightweight you should get rid and get Layla in.

    No way LD vote would be nose diving faster than a Beoing 737 Max without Super Jo.
    You would find any lib dem leader repellent because you see them trying to occupy your entitled space in the ‘any but Tory vote’ spectrum and the bastards get elected to local councils depriving you of your god given right to anoint the next labour candidate. The tories believe the same, the duopoly is all they want to preserve but it will be what it will be. I predict that corbyn will be an even better helper than Michael Foot was to the Tory cause. It’s you’re own fault, nobody else you support him you live with him but at least criticism lib dem policies rather than petty personality slurs.
    "Totally" she is totally shite.

    Which policies the skills wallet winner or the 30 trillion trees
    It is difficult to know why you should want to play the caricature of a student trot in such a way that will repel any floating voters - but I guess that is another small benefit to the LDs.
    It's not working so far though is it?
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Apparently Johnson down significantly as most preferred between Corbyn and Johnson in Kantar poll - can anyone verify?

    Was 33 Boris 19 Corbyn now 35/22. So a net gain of 1 for Corbyn.
    Call me a dreamer but that's not much of a gap all things considered? I honestly thought Johnson would be miles ahead.

    Also in YouGov latest poll, youth intention up significantly. One to watch I think.
    Maybe, but Johnson is clearly not down significantly. In fact, he's up.
    Tories are down 5 points in that poll? Arguably back to normal level, if that one poll was an outlier
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,652
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Apparently Johnson down significantly as most preferred between Corbyn and Johnson in Kantar poll - can anyone verify?

    Was 33 Boris 19 Corbyn now 35/22. So a net gain of 1 for Corbyn.
    Call me a dreamer but that's not much of a gap all things considered? I honestly thought Johnson would be miles ahead.

    Also in YouGov latest poll, youth intention up significantly. One to watch I think.
    Maybe, but Johnson is clearly not down significantly. In fact, he's up.
    We have signed up loads of Register to Votes from local College.
  • If Corbyn does well, this will be the start.

    If he does badly, it might well be the end.

    Although I think Johnson running away from one of the debates isn't a great idea.

    "Running away"? Yawn. He's turning up to the main events, and sending a kid to the kids' table debate.
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698

    alb1on said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    Hence forth Tory Swinson is renamed super Jo as she has managed to halve LD VI in a couple of months.

    Long may she reign.

    Well at least she doesn't help the tories as much as corbyn whch i is the single reason Johnson is heading for a majority.
    Why are LDs down from 22 to 12?

    Nothing to do with Super Jo or Jezza?
    Totally due to the sheer horror that many people feel about corbyn getting into power, you should really question why you want to lose elections and fail the people you pretend to want to help because losing with a true socialist platform is more important than actually changing people’s lives. Labour sub 200 big Tory majority all because of corbyn and his clique.
    So since October LD down from 22 to 12 and its all Corbyns fault. At least your consistent.

    Your leader is a voter repellent hypocritical lightweight you should get rid and get Layla in.

    No way LD vote would be nose diving faster than a Beoing 737 Max without Super Jo.
    You would find any lib dem leader repellent because you see them trying to occupy your entitled space in the ‘any but Tory vote’ spectrum and the bastards get elected to local councils depriving you of your god given right to anoint the next labour candidate. The tories believe the same, the duopoly is all they want to preserve but it will be what it will be. I predict that corbyn will be an even better helper than Michael Foot was to the Tory cause. It’s you’re own fault, nobody else you support him you live with him but at least criticism lib dem policies rather than petty personality slurs.
    "Totally" she is totally shite.

    Which policies the skills wallet winner or the 30 trillion trees
    It is difficult to know why you should want to play the caricature of a student trot in such a way that will repel any floating voters - but I guess that is another small benefit to the LDs.
    It's not working so far though is it?
    Every little helps and we are in your debt.
  • BluerBlue said:

    If Corbyn does well, this will be the start.

    If he does badly, it might well be the end.

    Although I think Johnson running away from one of the debates isn't a great idea.

    "Running away"? Yawn. He's turning up to the main events, and sending a kid to the kids' table debate.
    If all the other leaders turn up and he doesn't, what is his excuse?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Apparently Johnson down significantly as most preferred between Corbyn and Johnson in Kantar poll - can anyone verify?

    Was 33 Boris 19 Corbyn now 35/22. So a net gain of 1 for Corbyn.
    Call me a dreamer but that's not much of a gap all things considered? I honestly thought Johnson would be miles ahead.

    Also in YouGov latest poll, youth intention up significantly. One to watch I think.
    Maybe, but Johnson is clearly not down significantly. In fact, he's up.
    Tories are down 5 points in that poll? Arguably back to normal level, if that one poll was an outlier
    I'm talking about your original claim that Johnson was down significantly as most preferred. Whoever you read that from is spreading fake news.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    GIN1138 said:

    If Corbyn does well, this will be the start.

    If he does badly, it might well be the end.

    Although I think Johnson running away from one of the debates isn't a great idea.

    Corbyn will do well (be seen widely to have "won") and it will make absolutely no difference whatsoever.
    Yes. I would imagine that any performance other than bursting into flames in the middle of the stage will be seen as a victory for Corbyn, so low are expectations.

    On the other hand, what proportion of the electorate will be paying attention, and how many of those will be undecided? Not many and even fewer, I would suspect.

    Being a pessimist I'm still concerned by the possibility of Labour catching up as in 2017, but one has to remember at this point that, looking back through electoral history, campaigns often make little difference to the outcome. If most voters have already made up their minds then the partial stand-down of the Brexit Party and a modest squeeze of the Lib Dem vote share may be about as far as it goes between now and election day.

    We shall, of course, find out in just over three weeks' time...
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698

    BluerBlue said:

    If Corbyn does well, this will be the start.

    If he does badly, it might well be the end.

    Although I think Johnson running away from one of the debates isn't a great idea.

    "Running away"? Yawn. He's turning up to the main events, and sending a kid to the kids' table debate.
    If all the other leaders turn up and he doesn't, what is his excuse?
    An appointment at the STD clinic?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,299
    edited November 2019

    Can we please all save time by stating now who we think has won.

    I think SuperJo won it, by virtue of not appearing.

    Kate Garraway.
    Hillary Clinton.
  • Apparently Johnson down significantly as most preferred between Corbyn and Johnson in Kantar poll - can anyone verify?

    I can verify that the gap between Boris and Corbyn with Ipsos Mori is the largest in their history of asking the same question since 1977...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,513
    edited November 2019

    Pochettino sacked.

    Gutted.
    Feel your pain, we're lucky FSG back Klopp in the transfer market.

    Lose the Champions League final? Spend nearly £180 million that summer to win it the next year.

    Have a struggling defence? Break the world record transfer fee for a GK and Centre back in the space of 6 months.

    Levy should take note.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092

    GIN1138 said:

    If Corbyn does well, this will be the start.

    If he does badly, it might well be the end.

    Although I think Johnson running away from one of the debates isn't a great idea.

    Corbyn will do well (be seen widely to have "won") and it will make absolutely no difference whatsoever.
    I think you are right.
    I certainly wouldn't bet against this outcome though I hope otherwise
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,652
    alb1on said:

    alb1on said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    Hence forth Tory Swinson is renamed super Jo as she has managed to halve LD VI in a couple of months.

    Long may she reign.

    Well at least she doesn't help the tories as much as corbyn whch i is the single reason Johnson is heading for a majority.
    Why are LDs down from 22 to 12?

    Nothing to do with Super Jo or Jezza?
    Totally due to the sheer horror that many people feel about corbyn getting into power, you should really question why you want to lose elections and fail the people you pretend to want to help because losing with a true socialist platform is more important than actually changing people’s lives. Labour sub 200 big Tory majority all because of corbyn and his clique.
    So since October LD down from 22 to 12 and its all Corbyns fault. At least your consistent.

    Your leader is a voter repellent hypocritical lightweight you should get rid and get Layla in.

    No way LD vote would be nose diving faster than a Beoing 737 Max without Super Jo.
    You would find any lib dem leader repellent because you see them trying to occupy your entitled space in the ‘any but Tory vote’ spectrum and the bastards get elected to local councils depriving you of your god given right to anoint the next labour candidate. The tories believe the same, the duopoly is all they want to preserve but it will be what it will be. I predict that corbyn will be an even better helper than Michael Foot was to the Tory cause. It’s you’re own fault, nobody else you support him you live with him but at least criticism lib dem policies rather than petty personality slurs.
    "Totally" she is totally shite.

    Which policies the skills wallet winner or the 30 trillion trees
    It is difficult to know why you should want to play the caricature of a student trot in such a way that will repel any floating voters - but I guess that is another small benefit to the LDs.
    It's not working so far though is it?
    Every little helps and we are in your debt.
    You think Super Jo is good?

    Tou are in for a shock on the 12th.
  • BluerBlue said:

    Apparently Johnson down significantly as most preferred between Corbyn and Johnson in Kantar poll - can anyone verify?

    I can verify that the gap between Boris and Corbyn with Ipsos Mori is the largest in their history of asking the same question since 1977...
    That's not the question I asked, is that you Boris?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    edited November 2019
    BluerBlue said:

    Apparently Johnson down significantly as most preferred between Corbyn and Johnson in Kantar poll - can anyone verify?

    I can verify that the gap between Boris and Corbyn with Ipsos Mori is the largest in their history of asking the same question since 1977...
    Prepare to see that gap plummet after tonight after Corbyn does basically ok. We'll see if it makes a difference.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,848
    At his best, Boris is showbiz, brings sparkle, is genuinely funny and is someone everyone wants to be friends with. At his worst he is a gallumphing, plodding, inarticulate bully.

    At his best, Corbs is a hugely effective advocate of those in need of help and fighter against injustice; at his worst he is shouty, small-minded, and bigoted.

    Which ones will turn up tonight?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922
    BluerBlue said:

    Apparently Johnson down significantly as most preferred between Corbyn and Johnson in Kantar poll - can anyone verify?

    I can verify that the gap between Boris and Corbyn with Ipsos Mori is the largest in their history of asking the same question since 1977...
    Ipsos Mori are playing the long game, asking about Boris and Corbyn for 42 years. :)
  • I can t watch and type at the same time - see you on the other side if I ve got anything to say
  • My Lib Dem council (since May this year) have just bunged a gumpf newsletter through my door, which I’m sure I’ve paid for, saying they’ve declared a climate emergency on our behalf. They are now imploring us all to ‘eat less meat’.

    I’m going to eat more meat.

    I may end up posting pork chops through their letterbox.
  • BluerBlueBluerBlue Posts: 521
    edited November 2019
    alb1on said:

    BluerBlue said:

    If Corbyn does well, this will be the start.

    If he does badly, it might well be the end.

    Although I think Johnson running away from one of the debates isn't a great idea.

    "Running away"? Yawn. He's turning up to the main events, and sending a kid to the kids' table debate.
    If all the other leaders turn up and he doesn't, what is his excuse?
    An appointment at the STD clinic?
    That he only debates with his rival for the premiership of the UK, not with the heads of minor parties. Easy.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,486
    edited November 2019

    I'm gonna vote LD tactically here but Swinson is awful, she does this annoying head nodding thing that drives me mad

    Swinson needed a good year plus in the role as leader. This election came far too soon.

    Actually, Cable hung on far too long as Leader to give her a chance to grow into the requirements of the post. Not helped by making a fundamental error in going too far on Brexit. They should have mirrored Labour's (admittedly shite) position and then positioned themselves as the Not Bat-shit Crazy Left.
  • Here we go!!
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547
    edited November 2019
    Jezza with a Trump tie. For once Boris is the proper length.
  • BluerBlue said:

    Apparently Johnson down significantly as most preferred between Corbyn and Johnson in Kantar poll - can anyone verify?

    I can verify that the gap between Boris and Corbyn with Ipsos Mori is the largest in their history of asking the same question since 1977...
    That's not the question I asked, is that you Boris?
    A bit rich coming from you, no?
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698

    alb1on said:

    alb1on said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    Hence forth Tory Swinson is renamed super Jo as she has managed to halve LD VI in a couple of months.

    Long may she reign.

    Well at least she doesn't help the tories as much as corbyn whch i is the single reason Johnson is heading for a majority.
    Why are LDs down from 22 to 12?

    Nothing to do with Super Jo or Jezza?
    Totally due to the sheer horror that many people feel about corbyn getting into power, you should really question why you want to lose elections and fail the people you pretend to want to help because losing with a true socialist platform is more important than actually changing people’s lives. Labour sub 200 big Tory majority all because of corbyn and his clique.
    So since October LD down from 22 to 12 and its all Corbyns fault. At least your consistent.

    Your leader is a voter repellent hypocritical lightweight you should get rid and get Layla in.

    No way LD vote would be nose diving faster than a Beoing 737 Max without Super Jo.
    You would find any lib dem leader repellent because you see them trying to occupy your entitled space in the ‘any but Tory vote’ spectrum and the bastards get elected to local councils depriving you of your god given right to anoint the next labour candidate. The tories believe the same, the duopoly is all they want to preserve but it will be what it will be. I predict that corbyn will be an even better helper than Michael Foot was to the Tory cause. It’s you’re own fault, nobody else you support him you live with him but at least criticism lib dem policies rather than petty personality slurs.
    "Totally" she is totally shite.

    Which policies the skills wallet winner or the 30 trillion trees
    It is difficult to know why you should want to play the caricature of a student trot in such a way that will repel any floating voters - but I guess that is another small benefit to the LDs.
    It's not working so far though is it?
    Every little helps and we are in your debt.
    You think Super Jo is good?

    Tou are in for a shock on the 12th.
    I offered no opinion on Swinson so I presume this was just another extension of your student trot persona - misrepresentation. However, since you ask, I prefer her to Corbyn and Johnson. Although, tbf, I would prefer an outbreak of amoebic dysentry to either of them.
  • *cue dramatic music, and activate Julie Etchingham*
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,587
    So the Guido story looks true, sad to say.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,652

    I can t watch and type at the same time - see you on the other side if I ve got anything to say

    I'm watching Holby. A true story about the NHS in crisis thanks to the Tories and their little helpers like Super Jo.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    I see Corbyn has gone with a good, reliable red tie. I wouldn't want to get them confused.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,497
    Sounds like the Blockbusters theme tune.
  • Paging @Scrapheap_as_was

    Poch sacked.

    https://twitter.com/SpursOfficial/status/1196874518951796736

    Inevitable given he's less successful than George Graham and Juande Ramos

    He's still not won a trophy ... what this means for Spurs, it's not good for sure, Jezza won't nationalise us as he's a poxy gooner!! So that's something positive.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,338
    edited November 2019
    kle4 said:


    Replacing Ofsted.

    Not abolishing private schools, which surprises me.

    Their proposals for the former are meaningless drivel. Leaving aside the fact Gove promised something similar in 2010 (I wonder how that went?) what they are proposing is either local authority control or effectively academy chain control. Both have been utterly disastrous. They are a recipe fo cronyism, incompetence and waste.

    Even if their proposals on private education and charitable status are legal and practical, as I have repeatedly pointed out VAT on school fees would close most private schools. So while they have the right idea in terms of cutting class sizes to 20, the money they have put aside for it is laughably inadequate. £12 billion a year would be none too much.
    kle4 said:



    Trident, new roads, airports, HS2 axed

    So - just to be clear - they’re proposing zero carbon transport and proposing to eliminate the only realistic way of achieving it? They want to build lots of railway lines, just not the only one that will make a big difference?

    A read through and it’s a bunch of unicorn policies put forward by a bunch of self righteous but dimwitted authoritarians. It’s like Labour’s policy offering but with a better colour scheme and less violence.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    Weird observation: Both Johnson and Corbyn were trying to look confident but not quite smug in the first shot. Johnson's mouth naturally curves up into a not quite cheeky grin, whereas Corbyn's naturally curves down into a not quite smug smirk.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922
    maaarsh said:

    So the Guido story looks true, sad to say.

    No, not necessarily. I read that he had admitted he has a medical issue with his eye.
  • Corbyn's right eye problem is a problem already
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited November 2019
    kle4 said:

    I see Corbyn has gone with a good, reliable red tie. I wouldn't want to get them confused.

    I thought he'd come on dressed as santa with some reindeer.

    Anyway... Poch.... sniff.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,848
    Both of their eyes look close together. Had not noticed that before.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,486
    Corbyn's glasses are on at an annoyingly wobbly angle....
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,281
    Squinty Corbyn is squinty.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,486
    ...or his head is.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,848
    Climate crisis before NHS from Jezza. Interesting.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,587
    Stop looking down Boris
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922
    Boris hasn't memorised his speech lol
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,587

    Corbyn's right eye problem is a problem already

    Yep - he's be better off wearing a patch at this rate
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,848
    Bozza straight in on Brexit.

    Battle lines drawn.
  • maaarsh said:

    Stop looking down Boris

    Yup. Corbyn looks (literally) twitchy. Johnson had to write notes on his hand. Great start.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    I know it was 1/10 at Ladbrokes but Johnson saying 'Get Brexit Done' in basically his first sentence was very quick.

    Honestly, can he not remember more than 3 words at a time?
  • Pochettino sacked.

    Gutted.
    Feel your pain, we're lucky FSG back Klopp in the transfer market.

    Lose the Champions League final? Spend nearly £180 million that summer to win it the next year.

    Have a struggling defence? Break the world record transfer fee for a GK and Centre back in the space of 6 months.

    Levy should take note.
    No transfers for 2 transfer windows, muck up the contracts of your entire starting back 4 and key central midfielder. Pay under the market rate to the whole squad.

    Take a bow Mr Levy.
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698
    maaarsh said:

    Stop looking down Boris

    He is just checking his box is in place in case Arcuri storms the stage with the gelding shears.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Corbyn offering dither and delay will be a big theme from Boris, I am sure. It's not a terrible line, but Corbyn will need to hit back on the government incompetence.
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 1,124
    What channel is the debate on. I'm watching ITV1 but seem to have found a cross between The Cube and Tron.
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Corbyn looks tired and grumpy. Grinch like.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Where's Nick Clegg? :lol:
  • Drutt said:

    What channel is the debate on. I'm watching ITV1 but seem to have found a cross between The Cube and Tron.

    Is that ITV1+1 (1 hour delay?)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,338

    Corbyn's right eye problem is a problem already

    Why? Is it in common with most Rightists not on message?
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    I can t watch and type at the same time - see you on the other side if I ve got anything to say

    I'm watching Holby. A true story about the NHS in crisis thanks to the Tories and their little helpers like Super Jo.
    Jeremy is the Tory little helper for gods sake anybody sensible in charge of labour and you would be winning hands down.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,281
    I could do without the applause.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,848
    Another referendum sounds quite gruelling tbh from Jezza.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922

    Drutt said:

    What channel is the debate on. I'm watching ITV1 but seem to have found a cross between The Cube and Tron.

    Is that ITV1+1 (1 hour delay?)
    Whoosh? :p
  • Eh? It got through the support with the DUP!?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Brexit will take a long time, it's true, but given Corbyn is offering a referendum which might also see us Brexit, I don't see how he can hit Boris for that point since his own plan might do the same.
  • Corbyn's tie is so red that it's almost SNP Orange. Not that he's pointing the way to the SNP...
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    How many times in Boris going to mention how many CON candidates are standing?!
  • RobD said:

    Drutt said:

    What channel is the debate on. I'm watching ITV1 but seem to have found a cross between The Cube and Tron.

    Is that ITV1+1 (1 hour delay?)
    Whoosh? :p
    Ooops :lol:
  • ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:


    Replacing Ofsted.

    Not abolishing private schools, which surprises me.

    Their proposals for the former are meaningless drivel. Leaving aside the fact Gove promised something similar in 2010 (I wonder how that went?) what they are proposing is either local authority control or effectively academy chain control. Both have been utterly disastrous. They are a recipe fo cronyism, incompetence and waste.

    Even if their proposals on private education and charitable status are legal and practical, as I have repeatedly pointed out VAT on school fees would close most private schools. So while they have the right idea in terms of cutting class sizes to 20, the money they have put aside for it is laughably inadequate. £12 billion a year would be none too much.
    kle4 said:



    Trident, new roads, airports, HS2 axed

    So - just to be clear - they’re proposing zero carbon transport and proposing to eliminate the only realistic way of achieving it? They want to build lots of railway lines, just not the only one that will make a big difference?

    A read through and it’s a bunch of unicorn policies put forward by a bunch of self righteous but dimwitted authoritarians. It’s like Labour’s policy offering but with a better colour scheme and less violence.
    HS2 won't make a difference.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,714
    Boris pressing 'Mr Corbyn' on his Brexit position
  • I could do without the applause.

    Boos instead?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,497
    edited November 2019
    Ave_it said:

    How many times in Boris going to mention how many CON candidates are standing?!

    I think he's saying that repeatedly to make sure none of them rebel later on.
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 1,124

    Drutt said:

    What channel is the debate on. I'm watching ITV1 but seem to have found a cross between The Cube and Tron.

    Is that ITV1+1 (1 hour delay?)
    I'm just being facetious about the set. Corbyn looking physically a bit gammy and struggling,obvs, on the brexit q.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,848
    It is hugely unfortunate and not his fault but Jezza's eye is distracting and his glasses act like a barrier between him and everyone else.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Boris has mentioned 635 candidates backing his deal 3 times already, I think he's memorised the wrong points to repeat.
  • BORIS: Is Mr Corbyn leave or remain
    JEREMY: That's not up to me

    And the grave gets dug deeper.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,281
    Is Corbyn wearing someone else's glasses? They're so wonky.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,848
    edited November 2019
    Jezza not saying whether he supports leave or remain is a bad look imo (paging @kinabalu).
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,486

    I could do without the applause.

    Boos instead?
    Bottles and a chicken wire screen?
  • Boris has learned from Cameron's mistake of calling Nick Clegg by his first name.

    Corbyn can't say whether he will campaign for Leave or Remain in JezRef.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922
    Bloody clapping.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,848
    Sorry but Bozza is knocking this out of the park. Putting Jezza into a corner of having to make a decision.
  • Is Corbyn wearing someone else's glasses? They're so wonky.

    What's Jezza's favourite Christmas carol?

    Little Wonky!
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