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  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,848
    Has Corbyn investigated every single case of anti-semitism in the Labour Party?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,281
    edited November 2019
    She has a schedule to stick to and so Johnson is able to avoid answering questions.
  • Johnson sounding like an utter tool now. You can't bring every issue back to Corbyn on Brexit whilst not answering questions about your own terrible position about trust
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    This question has gone on for way too long.
  • I expect nobody will bother watching any more of these debates

    Depressing

    Not with this presenter - scolding the leaders - signalling her virtue.

    It’s not about you love.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    nichomar said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Trust and leadership up next. This could get brutal.

    But it is a stupid question - lots of people are not in despair, and do trust Boris/Corbyn.

    That thought is enough to make the rest of us despair further though.
    It should never have been a two way debate a disgrace to democracy
    Take it up with Ofcom
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,848
    Boris beginning to flail here.
  • chloechloe Posts: 308
    Boris is not answering the questions but I think he is coming across better than Corbyn.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,437
    Boris agrees with Jeremy apparently.
  • Brexit is weak for Corbyn - but Corbyn won on everything else
  • "...and Prince Andrew".

    WhawhaWHAT? I can't wait to see them trying to decide to attack him or not
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    I'm looking forward to the 7 way debate on 29 Nov! :lol:
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994

    Johnson sounding like an utter tool now. You can't bring every issue back to Corbyn on Brexit whilst not answering questions about your own terrible position about trust

    Yes, a bit forced.

    Although not as forced as getting them to shake hands, that's some lame political theatre. Notice Boris made sure to be the first to move.
  • I think Corbyn will win this. Doing Brexit first was a mistake.
  • Brexit is weak for Corbyn - but Corbyn won on everything else

    It has only been on brexit so far
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,327

    nichomar said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Trust and leadership up next. This could get brutal.

    But it is a stupid question - lots of people are not in despair, and do trust Boris/Corbyn.

    That thought is enough to make the rest of us despair further though.
    It should never have been a two way debate a disgrace to democracy
    Parties in single figures % wise are not relevant to who is PM on 13.12.19
    Then what’s Corbyn doing there?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922

    I think Corbyn will win this. Doing Brexit first was a mistake.

    Well of course you do!
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,848

    Brexit is weak for Corbyn - but Corbyn won on everything else

    It's a Brexit election.

    How do you feel about another referendum on it?
  • Hmmm... I can’t see this shifting many opinions.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,281

    Johnson sounding like an utter tool now. You can't bring every issue back to Corbyn on Brexit whilst not answering questions about your own terrible position about trust

    He's practised that line and sounds confident with it. I think it was quite effective in not giving an answer. He's being let off the hook. No pressure being placed on him.

    Corbyn is mangling all his prepared debating points.
  • Boris doing well - my fuck the snp vote is still going to labour though (Aberdeen north)
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,849
    Bozo didn’t look good trying to attack Corbyn instead of addressing the integrity question back there.

    Why is Bozo fixated on how many Tory candidates there are? He’s mentioned that factoid three times already.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,327
    TOPPING said:

    I think Corbyn edges it on integrity. He sticks to his beliefs. What those beliefs are might not be to anyone's tastes, nor have they been tested by the responsibility of power, but he must win on integrity vs Johnson of all people.

    Well, he should. Because anyone should.

    Disturbingly, he won’t. Because he’s just as bad.
  • Terrible debate. I'm not bothering with the 2nd half.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,652
    TOPPING said:

    Has Corbyn investigated every single case of anti-semitism in the Labour Party?

    He has expelled Anti Semites from the Party unlike the Tories with their Islamaphobes like Jester.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Wales 1-0 up at half-time :smiley:
  • TOPPING said:

    Brexit is weak for Corbyn - but Corbyn won on everything else

    It's a Brexit election.

    How do you feel about another referendum on it?
    Johnson wants it to be a Brexit election.

    He isn't going to get his wish.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,485

    Brexit is weak for Corbyn - but Corbyn won on everything else

    You watching ITV-1?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,327
    Flashy4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Drutt said:

    The men aren't listening to the woman who's trying to direct the debate.

    Come again?
    She's trying to get them to answer questions, or allow the other to answer a question and they're ignoring her.
    A pair of misogynists behaving rudely towards a woman?

    I’m shocked, I tell you. Shocked.
    She’s being pretty rude back. Now she’s on a monologue- shut up FFS.
    Why? She can only be better than these two.
  • Boris was super strong early on pressuring Corbyn on his Brexit position, but i have a feeling it is wearing thin now and pushing it much further could come back to bite Boris.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,519
    Corbyn started stiffly but has warmed up well. Johnson started smoothly but ended up completely ignoring the question about integrity in the face of laughter. Corbyn ahead on points for people interested in politics, but no killer answers yet.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994

    I think Corbyn will win this. Doing Brexit first was a mistake.

    Yes, although I think you've been pretty clearly of the view you would likely think he had won before hand.

    Brexit is weak for Corbyn - but Corbyn won on everything else

    It has only been on brexit so far
    No it hasn't, and Corbyn was a lot better on what leadership means (even though in practice he is a poor leader).
  • Julie Etchingham is becoming the story and frankly is poor

    Emma Barnett would be much better
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503

    TOPPING said:

    Brexit is weak for Corbyn - but Corbyn won on everything else

    It's a Brexit election.

    How do you feel about another referendum on it?
    Johnson wants it to be a Brexit election.

    He isn't going to get his wish.
    He will.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Just been out for a meal with my wife, we should have stayed in the pub.

    Etchingham cutting both of them off too quickly, and so far I haven't seen anything which suggests that Corbyn or Johnson have what it takes in a political crisis. Questions seem juvenile and weak.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,759
    Every bit as painful as we anticipated. Boris has been ruthless in emphasising Corbyn’s refusal to say how he will campaign on Brexit but he is somewhat undermined by his refusal to answer questions on anything else.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,702
    Remember lots of people won't diligently sit through the whole hour.

    Many will join / leave in progress.

    Hard to see the first half moving any discernible number of votes.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Let's have a laugh when the small party leaders get interviewed at 10.

    #SuperJo
  • Boring 0 0 at half time
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,485

    Thoughts so far?

    I think Johnson started off well but he's going into bully mode

    Are you MysticRose?
    I think MysticRose has been stood down.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994

    Boris was super strong early on pressuring Corbyn on his Brexit position, but i have a feeling it is wearing thin now and pushing it much further could come back to bite Boris.

    If i were advising him I'd say tone the Brexit stuff down a bit for the next couple of questions, then finish big with it - he needs people to focus on it, but he cannot force every response to be about it.
  • Here we go, NHS. This should definitely be Corbyns turf.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503

    Thoughts so far?

    I think Johnson started off well but he's going into bully mode

    Are you MysticRose?
    I think MysticRose has been stood down.
    Do you know I thought that! 😂
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,759
    Flashy4 said:
    This is what always happens. Too many questions not enough depth.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    edited November 2019
    NHS? Well, I'll given this round to Corbyn right now. Boris could promise 100bn more a year and not win on it and I doubt Boris can pull off the sad grandapa tone of Corbyn.
  • Why are Nicola Sturgeon and Nigel Farage being interviewed? Neither are standing for Parliament. It should be the Fat Laird for the SNP and whoever is the Brexit Party's "lead" candidate.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,848

    TOPPING said:

    Has Corbyn investigated every single case of anti-semitism in the Labour Party?

    He has expelled Anti Semites from the Party unlike the Tories with their Islamaphobes like Jester.
    Every single case?
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,260
    Definitely Corbyn improved as it went on, but feels to me that Johnson did better overall.
    Corbyn not explaining his Brexit policy well at all. He does better when he seems calmer.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,243

    Brexit is weak for Corbyn - but Corbyn won on everything else

    You watching ITV-1?
    LOL!

    Will CHB still be here after 10pm on 12/12/19? ;)
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,437
    Why isn’t Corbyn focussing on Tory cuts on the NHS and how the Brexit ‘dividend’ is nowhere near enough.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,495
    IanB2 said:

    Bozo didn’t look good trying to attack Corbyn instead of addressing the integrity question back there.

    Why is Bozo fixated on how many Tory candidates there are? He’s mentioned that factoid three times already.

    I think he's assuming he's going to win and wants to make sure none of them think about rebelling.
  • BluerBlueBluerBlue Posts: 521
    edited November 2019
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Has Corbyn investigated every single case of anti-semitism in the Labour Party?

    He has expelled Anti Semites from the Party unlike the Tories with their Islamaphobes like Jester.
    Every single case?
    Come on, if he did that he'd been leading a hamlet, not a political party :wink:
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    Bozo more decisive v Corbyn more likeable .

    It’s far too rushed though , if you’re going to have a debate do it properly .
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 1,124
    Strong NHS response from Jez. ETCHINGHAM CUTTING BORIS OFF AGAIN
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994

    Why isn’t Corbyn focussing on Tory cuts on the NHS and how the Brexit ‘dividend’ is nowhere near enough.

    Give it time. Probably waiting for Boris to mention Brexit.

    I'd almost prefer not to have questions on the NHS just to avoid the overdone paeans at the start.
  • Corbyn winning now
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,437
    Drutt said:

    Strong NHS response from Jez. ETCHINGHAM CUTTING BORIS OFF AGAIN

    Good. Everything he says is vacuous.
  • Utter nonsense from Etchingham. She has lost it
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,702
    Andrew Neil correct - no need for all these interruptions.

    Let them both speak at greater length.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922

    Corbyn winning now

    Wait, didn't you say he was winning earlier? :D
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Why are Nicola Sturgeon and Nigel Farage being interviewed? Neither are standing for Parliament. It should be the Fat Laird for the SNP and whoever is the Brexit Party's "lead" candidate.

    Anne widdecombe riding a shire horse
  • RobD said:

    Corbyn winning now

    Wait, didn't you say he was winning earlier? :D
    No he wasn't winning at the beginning
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,848
    edited November 2019

    TOPPING said:

    Brexit is weak for Corbyn - but Corbyn won on everything else

    It's a Brexit election.

    How do you feel about another referendum on it?
    Johnson wants it to be a Brexit election.

    He isn't going to get his wish.
    The British public wants it to be a Brexit election.

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/11/07/which-issues-will-decide-general-election
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,281
    Were there any odds on "no money left" ?
  • RobD said:

    Corbyn winning now

    Wait, didn't you say he was winning earlier? :D
    He's "super winning" now apparently!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922

    RobD said:

    Corbyn winning now

    Wait, didn't you say he was winning earlier? :D
    No he wasn't winning at the beginning
    You said he was winning on the non-Brexit bits. :)
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,494
    more laughing at Corbyn
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922
    4-day NHS!
  • Audience laughing at Corbyn's 4 day week
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    DavidL said:

    Flashy4 said:
    This is what always happens. Too many questions not enough depth.
    It produces soundbites to be transmitted on the main news programmes and on social media. The news bulletins cleave to impartiality guidelines and show wins and losses for both participants. The online stuff is for consumption within various echo-chambers inhabited by those who have already made up their minds.

    Hopefully this means it will make no real difference, except to allow Johnson to claim that he hasn't run away like May did.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,327
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Has Corbyn investigated every single case of anti-semitism in the Labour Party?

    He has expelled Anti Semites from the Party unlike the Tories with their Islamaphobes like Jester.
    Every single case?
    Impossible, he and Formby are both still there.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Corbyn is a moron - get him off

    Come back SuperJo - please!
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Corbyn winning now

    Wait, didn't you say he was winning earlier? :D
    No he wasn't winning at the beginning
    You said he was winning on the non-Brexit bits. :)
    Well he was - but that doesn't contradict what I said. Corbyn didn't start off winning.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Corbyn winning now

    Wait, didn't you say he was winning earlier? :D
    No he wasn't winning at the beginning
    You said he was winning on the non-Brexit bits. :)
    Well he was - but that doesn't contradict what I said. Corbyn didn't start off winning.
    Well I think it ended on a non-Brexit question, but there you go.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,485
    Poor timekeeping being imposed, as it doesn't allow full answers.
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 1,124
    Chuckles at 4-day week, chuckles at 40 new hospitals. One-all.

    ETCHINGHAM CUTTING BORIS OFF AGAIN
  • Julie Etchingham is becoming the story and frankly is poor

    Emma Barnett would be much better

    Emma Barnett would be absolute gold on this.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    I assume there's a laughter counter somewhere. No audiences in debates, please. What do they add?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,759

    DavidL said:

    Flashy4 said:
    This is what always happens. Too many questions not enough depth.
    It produces soundbites to be transmitted on the main news programmes and on social media. The news bulletins cleave to impartiality guidelines and show wins and losses for both participants. The online stuff is for consumption within various echo-chambers inhabited by those who have already made up their minds.

    Hopefully this means it will make no real difference, except to allow Johnson to claim that he hasn't run away like May did.
    But it makes it so easy to avoid a question. You simply talk down the clock.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    This is just bollocks bloody disgrace Johnson now goes solve the nhs by getting brexit done
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922

    Poor timekeeping being imposed, as it doesn't allow full answers.

    Prob should have been 90 minutes to allow for longer answers. Who would stick around for 90 minutes is another question.
  • I think this "get Brexit done" thing is backfiring
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,714
    Boris makes clear nobody will have to sell their home for personal social care under him
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922
    nichomar said:

    This is just bollocks bloody disgrace Johnson now goes solve the nhs by getting brexit done

    Didn't you read the side of the red bus? :)
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    edited November 2019
    CCHQ have changd their twitter handle to "FactCheckUK". Very naughty.

    https://twitter.com/CCHQPress

    https://twitter.com/CCHQPress/status/1196891506390552576
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922

    I think this "get Brexit done" thing is backfiring

    What makes you think that?
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352

    I think this "get Brexit done" thing is backfiring

    Not really if it's the only slogan people are talking about...
  • Chameleon said:

    CCHQ have changd their twitter handle to "FactCheckUK". Very naughty.

    https://twitter.com/CCHQPress

    https://twitter.com/CCHQPress/status/1196891506390552576

    All anyone wants to talk about on Twitter.

    I assume that was the point...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994

    I think this "get Brexit done" thing is backfiring

    What a shock.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,848
    Boris avoids May's social care bear trap.
  • I think this "get Brexit done" thing is backfiring

    And you'll probably keep thinking that right up till December 13th...
  • RobD said:

    Poor timekeeping being imposed, as it doesn't allow full answers.

    Prob should have been 90 minutes to allow for longer answers. Who would stick around for 90 minutes is another question.
    Most of the hour wasted by the presenter shouting “Mr Johnson Mr Johnson”
  • BluerBlue said:

    I think this "get Brexit done" thing is backfiring

    And you'll probably keep thinking that right up till December 13th...
    You're as biased as me dude.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Silly election giveaways - funny that they will have to defend that by mentioning their giveaways.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,005
    PB Tories moaning about the ref.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994

    PB Tories moaning about the ref.

    One person?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922

    PB Tories moaning about the ref.

    And some non PB Tories, if I am not mistaken.
  • Woman in audience makes crucial point about the fact that nether of them have ever had to work properly for a living.

    Jez drones on pointlessly. Boris blusters.

    Can we put the questioner in charge instead?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,709
    I am not even watching it, but I know who is telling porkies in the comments.. You just get a sixth sense.
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