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  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,652

    BORIS: Is Mr Corbyn leave or remain
    JEREMY: That's not up to me

    And the grave gets dug deeper.

    Rochdale being disingenuous about Corbyn.

    Nothing new there then.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,281
    "Oven-ready" - I'm not a child ffs.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    RobD said:

    Bloody clapping.

    I know silent audiences are dumb, but I'd prefer they not be there at all since most points will get a clap, and we're stuck trying to figure out which was louder or longer.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Don't know about anyone else but I'm watching Wales v Hungary at the moment. Better entertainment value, less nerve-wracking.

    I do hope Boris doesn't totally stuff that debate up, but I'm less than 100% confident...
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,494
    The problem with JCs attack line on the US trade deal is that he's not explaining why it is a bad idea. most people in the UK actually like the US and it doesn't hurt BJ to make that the attack line.

    If he attacked on chlorinated chicken he'd hit his mark much better. It's lots of these minor misses which will hurt JC
  • Vast Inanition!
  • Jezza very evasive.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,339

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:


    Replacing Ofsted.

    Not abolishing private schools, which surprises me.

    Their proposals for the former are meaningless drivel. Leaving aside the fact Gove promised something similar in 2010 (I wonder how that went?) what they are proposing is either local authority control or effectively academy chain control. Both have been utterly disastrous. They are a recipe fo cronyism, incompetence and waste.

    Even if their proposals on private education and charitable status are legal and practical, as I have repeatedly pointed out VAT on school fees would close most private schools. So while they have the right idea in terms of cutting class sizes to 20, the money they have put aside for it is laughably inadequate. £12 billion a year would be none too much.
    kle4 said:



    Trident, new roads, airports, HS2 axed

    So - just to be clear - they’re proposing zero carbon transport and proposing to eliminate the only realistic way of achieving it? They want to build lots of railway lines, just not the only one that will make a big difference?

    A read through and it’s a bunch of unicorn policies put forward by a bunch of self righteous but dimwitted authoritarians. It’s like Labour’s policy offering but with a better colour scheme and less violence.
    HS2 won't make a difference.
    You think it won’t simultaneously put on far more trains to the North and free up dozens of pathways on existing lines?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,437
    This is awful viewing already. What a pathetic level of debate.
  • Johnson waffling, Corbyn already VERY CLEAR VERY CLEAR. And talking. In Staccato. Phrases.
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 1,124
    Christ on a bendy bus Jezza, stop being such a fucking faff-arse.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Bored with Corbyn lies over NHS
  • ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:


    Replacing Ofsted.

    Not abolishing private schools, which surprises me.

    Their proposals for the former are meaningless drivel. Leaving aside the fact Gove promised something similar in 2010 (I wonder how that went?) what they are proposing is either local authority control or effectively academy chain control. Both have been utterly disastrous. They are a recipe fo cronyism, incompetence and waste.

    Even if their proposals on private education and charitable status are legal and practical, as I have repeatedly pointed out VAT on school fees would close most private schools. So while they have the right idea in terms of cutting class sizes to 20, the money they have put aside for it is laughably inadequate. £12 billion a year would be none too much.
    kle4 said:



    Trident, new roads, airports, HS2 axed

    So - just to be clear - they’re proposing zero carbon transport and proposing to eliminate the only realistic way of achieving it? They want to build lots of railway lines, just not the only one that will make a big difference?

    A read through and it’s a bunch of unicorn policies put forward by a bunch of self righteous but dimwitted authoritarians. It’s like Labour’s policy offering but with a better colour scheme and less violence.
    HS2 won't make a difference.
    You think it won’t simultaneously put on far more trains to the North and free up dozens of pathways on existing lines?
    To where? Wales?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,848
    @bjo is Jezza in favour of leaving or staying? He won't tell us so perhaps you can help us out.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922
    props? :o
  • Pochettino sacked.

    Gutted.
    Feel your pain, we're lucky FSG back Klopp in the transfer market.

    Lose the Champions League final? Spend nearly £180 million that summer to win it the next year.

    Have a struggling defence? Break the world record transfer fee for a GK and Centre back in the space of 6 months.

    Levy should take note.
    No transfers for 2 transfer windows, muck up the contracts of your entire starting back 4 and key central midfielder. Pay under the market rate to the whole squad.

    Take a bow Mr Levy.
    Cheer up

    https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1196882943001710599
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,339

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:


    Replacing Ofsted.

    Not abolishing private schools, which surprises me.

    Their proposals for the former are meaningless drivel. Leaving aside the fact Gove promised something similar in 2010 (I wonder how that went?) what they are proposing is either local authority control or effectively academy chain control. Both have been utterly disastrous. They are a recipe fo cronyism, incompetence and waste.

    Even if their proposals on private education and charitable status are legal and practical, as I have repeatedly pointed out VAT on school fees would close most private schools. So while they have the right idea in terms of cutting class sizes to 20, the money they have put aside for it is laughably inadequate. £12 billion a year would be none too much.
    kle4 said:



    Trident, new roads, airports, HS2 axed

    So - just to be clear - they’re proposing zero carbon transport and proposing to eliminate the only realistic way of achieving it? They want to build lots of railway lines, just not the only one that will make a big difference?

    A read through and it’s a bunch of unicorn policies put forward by a bunch of self righteous but dimwitted authoritarians. It’s like Labour’s policy offering but with a better colour scheme and less violence.
    HS2 won't make a difference.
    You think it won’t simultaneously put on far more trains to the North and free up dozens of pathways on existing lines?
    To where? Wales?
    Well, principally around Birmingham and London.
  • Johnson waffling, Corbyn already VERY CLEAR VERY CLEAR. And talking. In Staccato. Phrases.

    Johnson also now ranting. They'll be screaming at each other shortly
  • Oh dear Jezza.
  • Laughter rains down on Jezza.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,486
    First whoopy cheer for Boris.

    First laughing at Corbyn.
  • Oh Jez. Can't answer the question, getting laughed at.
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,494
    People are actually laughing at JC on his position...
  • Corbyn's tie is so red that it's almost SNP Orange. Not that he's pointing the way to the SNP...

    Doesn't matter particularly, but LD yellow is closer to orange than the SNP shade.

    And you do have all those lovely orange bookers to accommodate..
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Corbyn flailing.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,848
    uh-oh. Jezza being laughed at now.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,302

    Pochettino sacked.

    Gutted.
    Feel your pain, we're lucky FSG back Klopp in the transfer market.

    Lose the Champions League final? Spend nearly £180 million that summer to win it the next year.

    Have a struggling defence? Break the world record transfer fee for a GK and Centre back in the space of 6 months.

    Levy should take note.
    No transfers for 2 transfer windows, muck up the contracts of your entire starting back 4 and key central midfielder. Pay under the market rate to the whole squad.

    Take a bow Mr Levy.
    Cheer up

    https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1196882943001710599
    Why doesn't that name surprise me.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Boris looking angry, genuinely so about the NHS being up for sale claim. I'm sure it's a strategy, but he was prepared for the claim at least and didn't waffle. Corbyn using props will make for a good viral clip.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,339
    spudgfsh said:

    People are actually laughing at JC on his position...

    It sounds as embarrassingly awful as I was expecting.

    Meanwhile that bit over there is drying nicely.
  • Pochettino sacked.

    Gutted.
    Feel your pain, we're lucky FSG back Klopp in the transfer market.

    Lose the Champions League final? Spend nearly £180 million that summer to win it the next year.

    Have a struggling defence? Break the world record transfer fee for a GK and Centre back in the space of 6 months.

    Levy should take note.
    No transfers for 2 transfer windows, muck up the contracts of your entire starting back 4 and key central midfielder. Pay under the market rate to the whole squad.

    Take a bow Mr Levy.
    Cheer up

    https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1196882943001710599
    Oh FFS. I'm off.
  • JC being laughed at is not good for him

    Odd glasses as well. make him look ill.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,652
    TOPPING said:

    @bjo is Jezza in favour of leaving or staying? He won't tell us so perhaps you can help us out.

    He is in favour of letting the people decide.

    Rather good IMO.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,281
    Corbyn placing the border in the wrong place. He's getting all the details wrong.
  • This is awful viewing already. What a pathetic level of debate.

    Which is why it's to Swinson's advantage to be excused from it. We're already getting reports across the country of people hating the choice of Johnson or Corbyn. "Do you really want to vote for that?" will be the line
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Very low energy performance from Corbyn so far.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,848
    PB unanimous that Corbs is doing badly, hence the public will think he will have won a resounding victory.
  • TOPPING said:

    PB unanimous that Corbs is doing badly, hence the public will think he will have won a resounding victory.

    Well Twitter might.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    edited November 2019
    OK, people are right, Corbyn's glasses are on wonky. Mine are often the same, poor chap.

    Corbyn going softer in tone now he's on the Union, sounding regretful we are in this situation. Boris of course going hard on the SNP link - worked last time. Corbyn srong in reply, but he's talking about coalition, which is not the same thing.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,339

    This is awful viewing already. What a pathetic level of debate.

    Which is why it's to Swinson's advantage to be excused from it. We're already getting reports across the country of people hating the choice of Johnson or Corbyn. "Do you really want to vote for that?" will be the line
    No.

    BUT WHAT FUCKING CHOICE HAVE I GOT AS YOU LOT CHICKENED OUT?!!!!!
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,848
    edited November 2019
    Boris' attack lines:

    1. Tell us what you think on Brexit
    2. Lab in hock to Sturgeon and the SNP.

    IMO v effective.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    TOPPING said:

    PB unanimous that Corbs is doing badly, hence the public will think he will have won a resounding victory.

    I've not said he's doing badly.
  • Jezza's wonky glasses is not a good look at all.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,486
    spudgfsh said:

    People are actually laughing at JC on his position...

    Because his position is laughable.
  • Trying to be fair but Corbyn looks lost and unwell
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,437

    spudgfsh said:

    People are actually laughing at JC on his position...

    Because his position is laughable.
    I mean people are laughing at Boris too.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,497
    Barnesian: sorry to be a nitpicker, but is your prediction for Yeovil correct? It's currently a LD gain by 48% to 47%, but the Tories have a 25% majority (or 15,000 votes) and it voted Leave by 59% to 41%.
  • Boris answering question on Union more important than Brexit but Corbyn evading. Will go down well in Scotland with unionist vote
  • “No deals with the SNP” says Jezza.

    Boris says the Union is more important than Brexit. Jezza doesn’t confirm.

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,281
    The men aren't listening to the woman who's trying to direct the debate.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,709
    eek said:

    Pochettino sacked.

    Gutted.
    Feel your pain, we're lucky FSG back Klopp in the transfer market.

    Lose the Champions League final? Spend nearly £180 million that summer to win it the next year.

    Have a struggling defence? Break the world record transfer fee for a GK and Centre back in the space of 6 months.

    Levy should take note.
    No transfers for 2 transfer windows, muck up the contracts of your entire starting back 4 and key central midfielder. Pay under the market rate to the whole squad.

    Take a bow Mr Levy.
    Cheer up

    https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1196882943001710599
    Why doesn't that name surprise me.
    out of the frying pan into the fire....
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,848

    TOPPING said:

    @bjo is Jezza in favour of leaving or staying? He won't tell us so perhaps you can help us out.

    He is in favour of letting the people decide.

    Rather good IMO.
    LOL this is your leader, right?

    Leader. n. the person who leads or commands a group, organization, or country.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    LOL Corbyn now offering Scotland £70bn bung

    One seat still for LAB in Scotland
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 1,124
    Corbyn re-revealing both the open goal on euref2 and the open goal on indyref2 in reply to a q about the union.

    h o p e l e s s
  • Clapclapclapclapclapclap
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698
    Perhaps Jez is following a clear strategy (there must be a first time for everything). Maybe he is going for the sympathy vote?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,339

    spudgfsh said:

    People are actually laughing at JC on his position...

    Because his position is laughable.
    I mean people are laughing at Boris too.
    However, they have been laughing at him continuously since 1996, and it doesn’t seem to hurt him.

    Corbyn on the other hand comes across as rather pompous. Not much of a sense of humour. Or at least, if he has one he doesn’t use it well.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    Unlike 2015, I wonder if people think a Labour/SNP government is actually a remote prospect at this point though.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,437
    Corbyn is doing better than I expected.
  • Apple is awesome.

    Android is shite.

    Until recently, weaknesses in Android camera apps from Google and Samsung made it possible for rogue apps to record video and audio and take images and then upload them to an attacker-controlled server—without any permissions to do so. Camera apps from other manufacturers may still be susceptible.

    https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/11/google-samsung-fix-android-spying-flaw-other-makers-may-still-be-vulnerable/
  • The audience's sporadic clapping is getting annoying.
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 1,124

    The men aren't listening to the woman who's trying to direct the debate.

    Come again?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922
    That was a good comeback from Corbyn :p
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Here's hoping for a hilariously left field instant reaction poll after this debate.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922

    Corbyn is doing better than I expected.

    How bad were your expectations?
  • RobD said:

    That was a good comeback from Corbyn :p

    Yes I’ll give him that one.
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,494
    Johnsons attacking Corbyn for not answering the question, I think it'll start to stick regardless of the lines aimed at his supporters
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,281
    edited November 2019
    Johnson completely lying about the Irish Sea border. Can he be nailed on it?

    (No)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,339
    spudgfsh said:

    Johnsons attacking Corbyn for not answering the question, I think it'll start to stick regardless of the lines aimed at his supporters

    What?

    How evasive do you have to be before even fecking Johnson can pull that one off?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,281
    Drutt said:

    The men aren't listening to the woman who's trying to direct the debate.

    Come again?
    She's trying to get them to answer questions, or allow the other to answer a question and they're ignoring her.
  • Thoughts so far?

    I think Johnson started off well but he's going into bully mode
  • Corbyn getting reamed. Hoping they can get Johnson ranting waffling and mad again with arms flailing again
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Johnson lies without his nose growing, very clever!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,652
    kle4 said:

    TOPPING said:

    PB unanimous that Corbs is doing badly, hence the public will think he will have won a resounding victory.

    I've not said he's doing badly.
    Nor have I because I am watching Holby

    #JacNaylorincrisis
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Trust and leadership up next. This could get brutal.

    But it is a stupid question - lots of people are not in despair, and do trust Boris/Corbyn.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    A brilliant questioner
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994

    Thoughts so far?

    I think Johnson started off well but he's going into bully mode

    I don't know what that even means. What is being a bully in the context of a debate?
  • Why does the invigilator keep interrupting Boris ?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,339
    kle4 said:

    Trust and leadership up next. This could get brutal.

    But it is a stupid question - lots of people are not in despair, and do trust Boris/Corbyn.

    That thought is enough to make the rest of us despair further though.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922
    Flashy4 said:

    Why does the invigilator keep interrupting Boris ?

    He's overrunning his time slot.
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,494

    Corbyn getting reamed. Hoping they can get Johnson ranting waffling and mad again with arms flailing again

    Johnson has been very good at staying on message during this debate so far.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,702
    Betfair completely static.
  • Johnson clear and getting his points across.

    Corbyn fence sitting has ran its course.
  • Flashy4 said:

    “No deals with the SNP” says Jezza.

    Boris says the Union is more important than Brexit. Jezza doesn’t confirm.

    Shome mishtake, Shirl?

    https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/1196859937021943810?s=20
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,848
    edited November 2019
    kle4 said:

    Trust and leadership up next. This could get brutal.

    But it is a stupid question - lots of people are not in despair, and do trust Boris/Corbyn.

    Plus it's our political system. One way or another we voted for this.
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123

    Thoughts so far?

    I think Johnson started off well but he's going into bully mode

    Are you MysticRose?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,339

    Drutt said:

    The men aren't listening to the woman who's trying to direct the debate.

    Come again?
    She's trying to get them to answer questions, or allow the other to answer a question and they're ignoring her.
    A pair of misogynists behaving rudely towards a woman?

    I’m shocked, I tell you. Shocked.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Trust and leadership up next. This could get brutal.

    But it is a stupid question - lots of people are not in despair, and do trust Boris/Corbyn.

    That thought is enough to make the rest of us despair further though.
    Indeed, but it is dumb to act like everyone is despairing of them. Corbyn giving a better response about trust and leadership. Focusing on listening and consensus. It's not borne out by his leadership, but he looked good saying it.
  • Flashy4 said:

    “No deals with the SNP” says Jezza.

    Boris says the Union is more important than Brexit. Jezza doesn’t confirm.

    Shome mishtake, Shirl?

    https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/1196859937021943810?s=20
    You lost me at the Beano/National
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Trust and leadership up next. This could get brutal.

    But it is a stupid question - lots of people are not in despair, and do trust Boris/Corbyn.

    That thought is enough to make the rest of us despair further though.
    It should never have been a two way debate a disgrace to democracy
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,281
    1-1 on the laughs.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Bring people together not divide them is a good sounding line, but not what either are doing.

    Boris now laughed at, bad look. Points to Corbyn on this one, he is able to look more reasonable.
  • Flashy4Flashy4 Posts: 26
    edited November 2019
    ydoethur said:

    Drutt said:

    The men aren't listening to the woman who's trying to direct the debate.

    Come again?
    She's trying to get them to answer questions, or allow the other to answer a question and they're ignoring her.
    A pair of misogynists behaving rudely towards a woman?

    I’m shocked, I tell you. Shocked.
    She’s being pretty rude back. Now she’s on a monologue- shut up FFS.
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,494

    Corbyn is doing better than I expected.

    wow! how badly do you think he'd do?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    edited November 2019
    Round 1 Johnson, Round 2 Corbyn. Until the antisemitism stuff (although the immediate laugh from the audience seemed forced)
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,848
    I think Corbyn edges it on integrity. He sticks to his beliefs. What those beliefs are might not be to anyone's tastes, nor have they been tested by the responsibility of power, but he must win on integrity vs Johnson of all people.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,437
    Lets be honest. Corbyn is not going to lose any votes here. He can only gain them.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,709

    Apple is awesome.

    Android is shite.

    Until recently, weaknesses in Android camera apps from Google and Samsung made it possible for rogue apps to record video and audio and take images and then upload them to an attacker-controlled server—without any permissions to do so. Camera apps from other manufacturers may still be susceptible.

    https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/11/google-samsung-fix-android-spying-flaw-other-makers-may-still-be-vulnerable/

    Andriod is not shite, its great, no one wants to steal my pictures.. far too boring.
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 1,124
    First mention of Lab Antisemitism gets a little applause.

    Get him Boris. Get him.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,652
    nichomar said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Trust and leadership up next. This could get brutal.

    But it is a stupid question - lots of people are not in despair, and do trust Boris/Corbyn.

    That thought is enough to make the rest of us despair further though.
    It should never have been a two way debate a disgrace to democracy
    Parties in single figures % wise are not relevant to who is PM on 13.12.19
  • I expect nobody will bother watching any more of these debates

    Depressing
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