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You do know you are facing wipeout in WalesCorrectHorseBattery said:0 -
Of which Labour are not part - nextNoo said:
It's not good for Labour. It's good for the Remain alliance. Keep up.Floater said:
Labour collapsing is good for them is it?Roger said:
A good result for the remain alliance. it's workingFloater said:
Hardly look like they on the verge of kicking out the tories do theyAramintaMoonbeamQC said:Plaid have won both council by-elections in Wales tonight (from Labour).
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1195119628147671041
LOL - if you say so0 -
If Plaid clean up, it's net zero for Labour. I'm happy with that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do know you are facing wipeout in WalesCorrectHorseBattery said:
I also hope for an SNP landslide.0 -
The Commie Cable Co won't be able to provide the service I require, but I won't have any choice.bigjohnowls said:
You could have had free fibre broadband for them as wellFrancisUrquhart said:
Well I won't just be going, I will be taking my businesses with me.Benpointer said:
Well, there's the 90% who have no realistic means of emigrating.HYUFD said:
Anyone who won't be emigrating if Corbyn gets in? Beyond Labour and SNP voters of courseFrancisUrquhart said:
And hopefully I won't be packing my bags....MarqueeMark said:4 weeks to the first Sunderland results...
Plus there's the 9% representing those who could emigrate but who love this country too much to leave.
So that just leaves the 1% who are wealthy and don't like the UK that much, I guess. They can bugger-off as far as I'm concerned.
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It isn’t 2017. And well done for remembering back 2 years.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I remember the 2017 election - when so many ran away.ozymandias said:
Wait and see - you’ll be the first to know 😉 Might not be a good day for you so be prepared.CorrectHorseBattery said:Will the Tories actually announce any policies? I can't think of a single policy off the top of my head.
Does anyone honestly think this election will be Brexit alone?
I don’t think you realise what is about to hit you. Still. If you want to imagine it’s 2017 then go ahead. It’ll keep you sane until the inevitable happens.0 -
In a socialist utopia,’aGIN1138 said:
Hopefully these two are not mutually exclusive?MikeSmithson said:LAB should also offer free Sky Sports for the 70+ group and at least one adult channel to be chosen by SeanT
NTL were legendarily shite, helmets of the first order. I’m shuddering with you, two decades hence.Noo said:
It's effective. Repetition is commonly used in both rhetoric and comedy.kle4 said:
I'm curious - what about repeating the same gag a dozen times make it better than repeating it 6 times would?Anabobazina said:
Disagree. Very good tape.kle4 said:
The message is a decent enough one, but it was a bit long - the joke of it was made 30 seconds in, I don't think another 90 seconds was needed to make the same points. No the message is not diluted by it being a whole 2 minutes long, but it'd be like saying 'Corbyn is a commie' five times in a Tory broadcast. 2 or 3 would do it.Noo said:This... is actually pretty good
https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1195069230997233665
It's effective.
Worst experience I've had with phone services was with fucking ntl. God alive what a bunch of tarts they were. Makes my blood boil now just thinking about it, 20 years on.Floater said:
Who we can bin if we not happy with the serviceJonathan said:
As opposed to being completely dependent on private utilities.dyedwoolie said:Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Do you not remember the bad old days with the state phone monopoly??1 -
I'm on a Lab hold at just short of 3.kle4 said:
I often think that a confident attitude can take you a long way, and be effective, but there are limits and at some point cautious optimism might be a better approach.GooeyBlob said:Jason Zadrozny has been taking to social media to claim Tories have no chance in Ashfield, it's a straight fight between him and Labour. His election literature is full of the same nonsense. Desperate stuff and locals are starting to get annoyed with his outrageous claims. Labour were only 400 votes ahead of Tories in 2017, Ashfield Independents a further 16,000 behind that. Think he's losing the plot, a sign things aren't going his way perhaps?
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I love your username, by the way. I know the reference. I wonder how many people do, without googling.CorrectHorseBattery said:Again, Labour to Plaid is net zero. Lib Dem to Labour or vice versa is net zero.
It's the marginals that matter.0 -
Yeah, if this policy has been announced a decade ago, we’d all have free ADSL now.Roger said:
Free broadband's a good idea....welshowl said:
Jesus. How short sighted.bigjohnowls said:
And we all get free fibre BroadandFrancisUrquhart said:
Well given Virgin will basically not have a consumer business come 2030, the Commie Cable Company can just seize the infrastructure when it goes bust.Time_to_Leave said:Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Poor Richard Branson and Rupert Murdoch make less money how sad never mind.
And everyone else involved in business providing the wealth that runs public services will take note, take cover, or flee.
You really do not get what the knock on impact of confiscation will be do you?
Assuming you could get the state telco to connect you.
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Just the ones who pay for the NHS then.....Benpointer said:
Well, there's the 90% who have no realistic means of emigrating.HYUFD said:
Anyone who won't be emigrating if Corbyn gets in? Beyond Labour and SNP voters of courseFrancisUrquhart said:
And hopefully I won't be packing my bags....MarqueeMark said:4 weeks to the first Sunderland results...
Plus there's the 9% representing those who could emigrate but who love this country too much to leave.
So that just leaves the 1% who are wealthy and don't like the UK that much, I guess. They can bugger-off as far as I'm concerned.0 -
And many more will follow you, it would be the late 1970s x10FrancisUrquhart said:
Well I won't just be going, I will be taking my businesses with me.Benpointer said:
Well, there's the 90% who have no realistic means of emigrating.HYUFD said:
Anyone who won't be emigrating if Corbyn gets in? Beyond Labour and SNP voters of courseFrancisUrquhart said:
And hopefully I won't be packing my bags....MarqueeMark said:4 weeks to the first Sunderland results...
Plus there's the 9% representing those who could emigrate but who love this country too much to leave.
So that just leaves the 1% who are wealthy and don't like the UK that much, I guess. They can bugger-off as far as I'm concerned.0 -
So labour decimated in the HOCCorrectHorseBattery said:
If Plaid clean up, it's net zero for Labour. I'm happy with that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do know you are facing wipeout in WalesCorrectHorseBattery said:
I also hope for an SNP landslide.0 -
1983 was defined by the Falklands War the preceeding year. No other GE will ever be like 1983.kle4 said:
Heck of a gamble to assume now will play out like 1983. Should the Tories have done the same in 2010 or 2015 because it worked in 1983?HYUFD said:
When Thatcher won in 1983 she had few controversial policies in her manifesto, the Tories just hammered Labour on their manifesto, which Kaufman called 'the longest suicide note in history.' Boris seems to be following Mrs T's leadkle4 said:
The podcast suggests the Tories might consider putting off their manifesto as long as they can to avoid a repeat of last time. Screams of confidence if that is true.bigjohnowls said:
Desperate fake news.HYUFD said:
Except it is now clear they won't just be paid by other people but by the average voterBlack_Rook said:https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1195110530056409089
Quite. Eliminate inequality by the simple expedient of making everybody without the means to emigrate dirt poor. HOWEVER...Jason said:
If Corbyn got into power, that's precisely what would happen. These fellas believe the Venezuelan economic model is more desirable than ours. So, mass starvation would be preferable to using food banks. Better for everyone to starve than just a few.dyedwoolie said:Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
I fear that we underestimate at our peril the attraction of "free" everything. Labour can get a hearing for all of these ideas if it can convince a sufficient number of voters that they'll all be paid for by other people, i.e. "the rich" (variously defined as 'billionaires whom we all know have effectively infinite amounts of cash, none of which they deserve to possess and which should therefore be spent on me' or 'everybody in the country with an income at least £1 per year higher than mine.')GIN1138 said:
Labour's gone mad.dyedwoolie said:Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1194956394287362048?s=20
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1195044471702016000?s=20
Get some fooking policies
That said, I wouldn't say it has no chance of succeeding. Roll on weekend polls, and post debate polls, to see if it is working.0 -
It's a bit late in the Eve for jokes like that.kle4 said:1 -
That's missed the point - I know repetition is effective, but how much repetition is needed to be effective? Eg say it 6 times instead of 12 - both are repetitive, which is more effective? It's not like there's some factor by which the effectiveness inevitably increases each time it is repeated.Noo said:
It's effective. Repetition is commonly used in both rhetoric and comedy.kle4 said:
I'm curious - what about repeating the same gag a dozen times make it better than repeating it 6 times would?Anabobazina said:
Disagree. Very good tape.kle4 said:
The message is a decent enough one, but it was a bit long - the joke of it was made 30 seconds in, I don't think another 90 seconds was needed to make the same points. No the message is not diluted by it being a whole 2 minutes long, but it'd be like saying 'Corbyn is a commie' five times in a Tory broadcast. 2 or 3 would do it.Noo said:This... is actually pretty good
https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1195069230997233665
It's effective.0 -
Do we want the state providing Internet access and thereby controlling, at the least, aspects of traffic shaping?
Just a thought.0 -
Or like 2017.Benpointer said:
1983 was defined by the Falklands War the preceeding year. No other GE will ever be like 1983.kle4 said:
Heck of a gamble to assume now will play out like 1983. Should the Tories have done the same in 2010 or 2015 because it worked in 1983?HYUFD said:
When Thatcher won in 1983 she had few controversial policies in her manifesto, the Tories just hammered Labour on their manifesto, which Kaufman called 'the longest suicide note in history.' Boris seems to be following Mrs T's leadkle4 said:
The podcast suggests the Tories might consider putting off their manifesto as long as they can to avoid a repeat of last time. Screams of confidence if that is true.bigjohnowls said:
Desperate fake news.HYUFD said:
Except it is now clear they won't just be paid by other people but by the average voterBlack_Rook said:https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1195110530056409089
Quite. Eliminate inequality by the simple expedient of making everybody without the means to emigrate dirt poor. HOWEVER...Jason said:
If Corbyn got into power, that's precisely what would happen. These fellas believe the Venezuelan economic model is more desirable than ours. So, mass starvation would be preferable to using food banks. Better for everyone to starve than just a few.dyedwoolie said:Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
I fear that we underestimate at our peril the attraction of "free" everything. Labour can get a hearing for all of these ideas if it can convince a sufficient number of voters that they'll all be paid for by other people, i.e. "the rich" (variously defined as 'billionaires whom we all know have effectively infinite amounts of cash, none of which they deserve to possess and which should therefore be spent on me' or 'everybody in the country with an income at least £1 per year higher than mine.')GIN1138 said:
Labour's gone mad.dyedwoolie said:Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1194956394287362048?s=20
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1195044471702016000?s=20
Get some fooking policies
That said, I wouldn't say it has no chance of succeeding. Roll on weekend polls, and post debate polls, to see if it is working.0 -
The Tories will copy the broadband announcement. They have no choice. How do you answer the claim Only 10% of premises in the UK are connected to full-fibre broadband, in Japan it’s 97%? And Is that all it would cost £20B? So two years out of EU pays for it? And surely the benefit to business subtracts from the cost?Jason said:
I reckon most Labour folk would much rather it was about anything else than Brexit. Can't think why.CorrectHorseBattery said:Will the Tories actually announce any policies? I can't think of a single policy off the top of my head.
Does anyone honestly think this election will be Brexit alone?
The Tory’s should say, you’ve stolen our big idea! We were going to do that too! Don’t allow Labour this differential! Such differentials could sneak majority out of Tory hands.
So that’s one interesting policy.
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The Tories went heavy on attack ads on Labour in 2015 like now, less so in 2017. The 2015 Tory manifesto was also far less controversial than the 2017 Tory manifestokle4 said:
Heck of a gamble to assume now will play out like 1983. Should the Tories have done the same in 2010 or 2015 because it worked in 1983?HYUFD said:
When Thatcher won in 1983 she had few controversial policies in her manifesto, the Tories just hammered Labour on their manifesto, which Kaufman called 'the longest suicide note in history.' Boris seems to be following Mrs T's leadkle4 said:
The podcast suggests the Tories might consider putting off their manifesto as long as they can to avoid a repeat of last time. Screams of confidence if that is true.bigjohnowls said:
Desperate fake news.HYUFD said:
Except it is now clear they won't just be paid by other people but by the average voterBlack_Rook said:https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1195110530056409089
Quite. Eliminate inequality by the simple expedient of making everybody without the means to emigrate dirt poor. HOWEVER...Jason said:
If Corbyn got into power, that's precisely what would happen. These fellas believe the Venezuelan economic model is more desirable than ours. So, mass starvation would be preferable to using food banks. Better for everyone to starve than just a few.dyedwoolie said:Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
I fear that we underestimate at our peril the attraction of "free" everything. Labour can get a hearing for all of these ideas if it can convince a sufficient number of voters that they'll all be paid for by other people, i.e. "the rich" (variously defined as 'billionaires whom we all know have effectively infinite amounts of cash, none of which they deserve to possess and which should therefore be spent on me' or 'everybody in the country with an income at least £1 per year higher than mine.')GIN1138 said:
Labour's gone mad.dyedwoolie said:Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1194956394287362048?s=20
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1195044471702016000?s=20
Get some fooking policies
That said, I wouldn't say it has no chance of succeeding. Roll on weekend polls, and post debate polls, to see if it is working.0 -
You are the first person to get it.Noo said:
I love your username, by the way. I know the reference. I wonder how many people do, without googling.CorrectHorseBattery said:Again, Labour to Plaid is net zero. Lib Dem to Labour or vice versa is net zero.
It's the marginals that matter.0 -
So wait -CorrectHorseBattery said:
If Plaid clean up, it's net zero for Labour. I'm happy with that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do know you are facing wipeout in WalesCorrectHorseBattery said:
I also hope for an SNP landslide.
Brexit potentially breaking up the union = bad
The Union breaking up if it helps Labour grab power = good?
Riiiight0 -
exactlyFloater said:
Of which Labour are not part - nextNoo said:
It's not good for Labour. It's good for the Remain alliance. Keep up.Floater said:
Labour collapsing is good for them is it?Roger said:
A good result for the remain alliance. it's workingFloater said:
Hardly look like they on the verge of kicking out the tories do theyAramintaMoonbeamQC said:Plaid have won both council by-elections in Wales tonight (from Labour).
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1195119628147671041
LOL - if you say so0 -
We'd have had FTTP in the 80s if Thatcher hadn't privatised BT.Nigelb said:
Yeah, if this policy has been announced a decade ago, we’d all have free ADSL now.Roger said:
Free broadband's a good idea....welshowl said:
Jesus. How short sighted.bigjohnowls said:
And we all get free fibre BroadandFrancisUrquhart said:
Well given Virgin will basically not have a consumer business come 2030, the Commie Cable Company can just seize the infrastructure when it goes bust.Time_to_Leave said:Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Poor Richard Branson and Rupert Murdoch make less money how sad never mind.
And everyone else involved in business providing the wealth that runs public services will take note, take cover, or flee.
You really do not get what the knock on impact of confiscation will be do you?
Assuming you could get the state telco to connect you.0 -
Nope - the ones who stash their money into offshore tax avoidance schemes. They might as well go where their untaxed funds are.MarqueeMark said:
Just the ones who pay for the NHS then.....Benpointer said:
Well, there's the 90% who have no realistic means of emigrating.HYUFD said:
Anyone who won't be emigrating if Corbyn gets in? Beyond Labour and SNP voters of courseFrancisUrquhart said:
And hopefully I won't be packing my bags....MarqueeMark said:4 weeks to the first Sunderland results...
Plus there's the 9% representing those who could emigrate but who love this country too much to leave.
So that just leaves the 1% who are wealthy and don't like the UK that much, I guess. They can bugger-off as far as I'm concerned.0 -
You are missing the point. It isn't just the nationalization to massively expand the infrastructure. It is the fact they will be the sole provider of internet to the consumer across the country with a one sized fit all plan.egg said:
The Tories will copy the broadband announcement. They have no choice. How do you answer the claim Only 10% of premises in the UK are connected to full-fibre broadband, in Japan it’s 97%? And Is that all it would cost £20B? So two years out of EU pays for it? And surely the benefit to business subtracts from the cost?Jason said:
I reckon most Labour folk would much rather it was about anything else than Brexit. Can't think why.CorrectHorseBattery said:Will the Tories actually announce any policies? I can't think of a single policy off the top of my head.
Does anyone honestly think this election will be Brexit alone?
The Tory’s should say, you’ve stolen our big idea! We were going to do that too! Don’t allow Labour this differential! Such differentials could sneak majority out of Tory hands.
So that’s one interesting policy.
Those comparing it to say a phone line, it isn't the same at all. Different folk have widely different requirements for how big the down and up pipe is, even among the consumer, let alone small businesses.0 -
They just can't see it.......MarqueeMark said:
Just the ones who pay for the NHS then.....Benpointer said:
Well, there's the 90% who have no realistic means of emigrating.HYUFD said:
Anyone who won't be emigrating if Corbyn gets in? Beyond Labour and SNP voters of courseFrancisUrquhart said:
And hopefully I won't be packing my bags....MarqueeMark said:4 weeks to the first Sunderland results...
Plus there's the 9% representing those who could emigrate but who love this country too much to leave.
So that just leaves the 1% who are wealthy and don't like the UK that much, I guess. They can bugger-off as far as I'm concerned.0 -
Wipeout = largest party.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do know you are facing wipeout in WalesCorrectHorseBattery said:
Free Broadband with fibre speed coming to Wales0 -
Evidence?CorrectHorseBattery said:
We'd have had FTTP in the 80s if Thatcher hadn't privatised BT.Nigelb said:
Yeah, if this policy has been announced a decade ago, we’d all have free ADSL now.Roger said:
Free broadband's a good idea....welshowl said:
Jesus. How short sighted.bigjohnowls said:
And we all get free fibre BroadandFrancisUrquhart said:
Well given Virgin will basically not have a consumer business come 2030, the Commie Cable Company can just seize the infrastructure when it goes bust.Time_to_Leave said:Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Poor Richard Branson and Rupert Murdoch make less money how sad never mind.
And everyone else involved in business providing the wealth that runs public services will take note, take cover, or flee.
You really do not get what the knock on impact of confiscation will be do you?
Assuming you could get the state telco to connect you.0 -
Should we be getting a room for you two?Noo said:
I love your username, by the way. I know the reference. I wonder how many people do, without googling.CorrectHorseBattery said:Again, Labour to Plaid is net zero. Lib Dem to Labour or vice versa is net zero.
It's the marginals that matter.0 -
So this remain alliance - do you think it will top 100 seats then?Noo said:
exactlyFloater said:
Of which Labour are not part - nextNoo said:
It's not good for Labour. It's good for the Remain alliance. Keep up.Floater said:
Labour collapsing is good for them is it?Roger said:
A good result for the remain alliance. it's workingFloater said:
Hardly look like they on the verge of kicking out the tories do theyAramintaMoonbeamQC said:Plaid have won both council by-elections in Wales tonight (from Labour).
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1195119628147671041
LOL - if you say so
Still a bit short wouldn't you say.0 -
270 will be plenty and mean a left coalition.Big_G_NorthWales said:
So labour decimated in the HOCCorrectHorseBattery said:
If Plaid clean up, it's net zero for Labour. I'm happy with that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do know you are facing wipeout in WalesCorrectHorseBattery said:
I also hope for an SNP landslide.0 -
Half way through Question Time and lost the will to live.
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Well, the place where it's from is something of a... staple... of mine.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You are the first person to get it.Noo said:
I love your username, by the way. I know the reference. I wonder how many people do, without googling.CorrectHorseBattery said:Again, Labour to Plaid is net zero. Lib Dem to Labour or vice versa is net zero.
It's the marginals that matter.1 -
Sorry it is notbigjohnowls said:
Wipeout = largest party.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do know you are facing wipeout in WalesCorrectHorseBattery said:
Free Broadband with fibre speed coming to Wales0 -
I thought you said a Con majority was "inevitable" a few hours ago BJO?bigjohnowls said:
270 will be plenty and mean a left coalition.Big_G_NorthWales said:
So labour decimated in the HOCCorrectHorseBattery said:
If Plaid clean up, it's net zero for Labour. I'm happy with that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do know you are facing wipeout in WalesCorrectHorseBattery said:
I also hope for an SNP landslide.
It's hard to keep up on here.
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You saying Milli & Balls had more unfair rotten eggs thrown at them than given to Corbyn?HYUFD said:
The Tories went heavy on attack ads on Labour in 2015 like now, less so in 2017. The 2015 Tory manifesto was also far less controversial than the 2017 Tory manifestokle4 said:
Heck of a gamble to assume now will play out like 1983. Should the Tories have done the same in 2010 or 2015 because it worked in 1983?HYUFD said:
When Thatcher won in 1983 she had few controversial policies in her manifesto, the Tories just hammered Labour on their manifesto, which Kaufman called 'the longest suicide note in history.' Boris seems to be following Mrs T's leadkle4 said:
The podcast suggests the Tories might consider putting off their manifesto as long as they can to avoid a repeat of last time. Screams of confidence if that is true.bigjohnowls said:
Desperate fake news.HYUFD said:
Except it is now clear they won't just be paid by other people but by the average voterBlack_Rook said:https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1195110530056409089
Quite. Eliminate inequality by the simple expedient of making everybody without the means to emigrate dirt poor. HOWEVER...Jason said:dyedwoolie said:Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
')GIN1138 said:
Labour's gone mad.dyedwoolie said:Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1194956394287362048?s=20
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1195044471702016000?s=20
Get some fooking policies
That said, I wouldn't say it has no chance of succeeding. Roll on weekend polls, and post debate polls, to see if it is working.0 -
The Labour plan back from 2010 was 16 Mb/s* for everyone, and mobile and satellite for the last 10% of hard to reach homes. They were going to put a levy of fixed telephone lines** to pay for universal provision.Nigelb said:
Yeah, if this policy has been announced a decade ago, we’d all have free ADSL now.
Assuming you could get the state telco to connect you.
It all sounds very unambitious and outdated already.
* It says "two megabytes per second by 2012", but I actually wonder if they meant 2 megabits per second, which would be the usual way of talking about network bandwidth.
** Telephone lines, that sounds almost ancient now.0 -
Sorry, I shan't say anything nice again.Jason said:
Should we be getting a room for you two?Noo said:
I love your username, by the way. I know the reference. I wonder how many people do, without googling.CorrectHorseBattery said:Again, Labour to Plaid is net zero. Lib Dem to Labour or vice versa is net zero.
It's the marginals that matter.
Jason, your username is shit
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You made it halfway?GIN1138 said:Half way through Question Time and lost the will to live.
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That fella on Sky News press preview has just dismantled Labour's economic policy in about 30 seconds flat.0
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Strong and stapleCorrectHorseBattery said:
You are the first person to get it.Noo said:
I love your username, by the way. I know the reference. I wonder how many people do, without googling.CorrectHorseBattery said:Again, Labour to Plaid is net zero. Lib Dem to Labour or vice versa is net zero.
It's the marginals that matter.0 -
Has anybody commented on this General Election Nowcast (12th Nov) from Election Maps:
CON: 367 (+4), 38.2% (-1.0)
LAB: 195 (+6), 28.2% (+0.4)
SNP: 46 (-4), 3.4% (+0.1)
LDM: 19 (-6), 15.8% (-0.1)
LibDems on 19???1 -
The Tories wish to play the 2015 austerity game but in reverse?
"Why would I vote Tory for spending pledges when I can have the real thing with Labour".
This election is backfiring.1 -
Which means less tax and less money to pay for public services.Benpointer said:
Cheerio!FrancisUrquhart said:
Well I won't just be going, I will be taking my businesses with me.Benpointer said:
Well, there's the 90% who have no realistic means of emigrating.HYUFD said:
Anyone who won't be emigrating if Corbyn gets in? Beyond Labour and SNP voters of courseFrancisUrquhart said:
And hopefully I won't be packing my bags....MarqueeMark said:4 weeks to the first Sunderland results...
Plus there's the 9% representing those who could emigrate but who love this country too much to leave.
So that just leaves the 1% who are wealthy and don't like the UK that much, I guess. They can bugger-off as far as I'm concerned.0 -
Free hotel stays for all. Vote Labour.Jason said:
Should we be getting a room for you two?Noo said:
I love your username, by the way. I know the reference. I wonder how many people do, without googling.CorrectHorseBattery said:Again, Labour to Plaid is net zero. Lib Dem to Labour or vice versa is net zero.
It's the marginals that matter.1 -
YepPierrot said:
Did they try to rob dead and bereaved people, as TalkTalk do? Did they have store staff saying things like "Dunno. You'll have to ask BT", as staff in Vodafone stores often say in relation to Vodafone? Did they lyingly say they wouldn't assume they had a continuing direct debit authority and then "assume" precisely that, as Vodafone do? I'm not saying state-owned BT weren't crap, but I never had anything like any of that from them. "Utilities work better when they're privatised" is Tory propaganda from the 1980s. At one point the rail sector was receiving five times as much public money after privatisation as when it was state-owned.Richard_Tyndall said:
You have no idea. They practically invented crap service.Pierrot said:
A nationalised BT would have a long way to go to treat its customers as atrociously as TalkTalk, Vodafone and Three all do.Richard_Tyndall said:
I am pretty sure nationalised companies will be much better at treating you like crap when they have no competition for you to run off to.kle4 said:
I imagine the intent is indicate Labour regard broadband as a key utility like water and electricity, which is best kept out of the hands of rapacious private companies who treat you like crap. Whatever the merits or not of nationalising various utlilities, its generally not an unpopular policy, and a lot of people think their broadband service is crap and I'd think won't dislike the suggestion. Plus compared to other cash splurges it doesn't even sound like a lot.GideonWise said:Nationalising broadband? Just why?
Bizarre policy and Orwellian.
I once instructed TalkTalk over the phone to disconnect me and the guy refused, saying I'd lose money getting reconnected with someone else so he wouldn't do it.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/jul/20/bt-bills-death-charges
Everything you list BT probably invented.0 -
Probably not, since the drones will head back to Conservative and Labour like they normally do under the punishing deathgrip of FPTP. But this kind of result is a glimmer of hope. If Lab+Con had taken 85% of the vote then it would be a pretty bad sign.Floater said:
So this remain alliance - do you think it will top 100 seats then?Noo said:
exactlyFloater said:
Of which Labour are not part - nextNoo said:
It's not good for Labour. It's good for the Remain alliance. Keep up.Floater said:
Labour collapsing is good for them is it?Roger said:
A good result for the remain alliance. it's workingFloater said:
Hardly look like they on the verge of kicking out the tories do theyAramintaMoonbeamQC said:Plaid have won both council by-elections in Wales tonight (from Labour).
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1195119628147671041
LOL - if you say so
Still a bit short wouldn't you say.
Still, it's best not to overreact to a council byelection.0 -
Although, you now no longer have a house.....KentRising said:
Free hotel stays for all. Vote Labour.Jason said:
Should we be getting a room for you two?Noo said:
I love your username, by the way. I know the reference. I wonder how many people do, without googling.CorrectHorseBattery said:Again, Labour to Plaid is net zero. Lib Dem to Labour or vice versa is net zero.
It's the marginals that matter.1 -
They need big swings to make gains of most targets. They never quite make that tipping point.MarqueeMark said:Has anybody commented on this General Election Nowcast (12th Nov) from Election Maps:
CON: 367 (+4), 38.2% (-1.0)
LAB: 195 (+6), 28.2% (+0.4)
SNP: 46 (-4), 3.4% (+0.1)
LDM: 19 (-6), 15.8% (-0.1)
LibDems on 19???0 -
City AM editor.Jason said:That fella on Sky News press preview has just dismantled Labour's economic policy in about 30 seconds flat.
Funny how Labour spend a week trying to trash the Tory £1.2tn message, then promptly introduce an additional £30bn pledge.
They must reckon anyone who's going to vote for them can't remember state run telephone services.0 -
bothies are already free for all. guaranteed firewood supply otoh....KentRising said:
I hope so because the next policy is free bothies for all.initforthemoney said:will bothies get the free broadband?
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Free sleeping bags and nice cardboard sheets to lie on too.MarqueeMark said:
Although, you now no longer have a house.....KentRising said:
Free hotel stays for all. Vote Labour.Jason said:
Should we be getting a room for you two?Noo said:
I love your username, by the way. I know the reference. I wonder how many people do, without googling.CorrectHorseBattery said:Again, Labour to Plaid is net zero. Lib Dem to Labour or vice versa is net zero.
It's the marginals that matter.0 -
Australia will curb intelligence sharing with the UK if Corbyn becomes PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7680127/Australia-curb-intelligence-sharing-Britain-Jeremy-Corbyn-PM-warns-ex-envoy.html?fbclid=IwAR2kk6SlDDqcFtBNrEsTtEBdbfeoWPdsT2WS6Mi4Qkg98FUnqMuMowJ7DdI1 -
People assume people care Labour is pledging to spend money. I don't think they do, at all.
A month out and it's a 10 point gap. The manifesto is what closed the gap last time, it may well happen again.
Two weeks - and we will know where we stand.1 -
I’m not sure either. I’m in two minds about it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sorry it is notbigjohnowls said:
Wipeout = largest party.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do know you are facing wipeout in WalesCorrectHorseBattery said:
Free Broadband with fibre speed coming to Wales
Does it come with a free owl?0 -
So no Prime Minister Jo Swinson then? But I got a leaflet and everything....kle4 said:
They need big swings to make gains of most targets. They never quite make that tipping point.MarqueeMark said:Has anybody commented on this General Election Nowcast (12th Nov) from Election Maps:
CON: 367 (+4), 38.2% (-1.0)
LAB: 195 (+6), 28.2% (+0.4)
SNP: 46 (-4), 3.4% (+0.1)
LDM: 19 (-6), 15.8% (-0.1)
LibDems on 19???0 -
I wonder if a Russian oligarch will buy it at above market value for sevices rendered to Putin!MarqueeMark said:
Well, it is for sale.....Roger said:I would like to nationalize the Daily Telegraph and turn it back into a newspaper again.
Russians play a long game, Brexit has uttley disrupted the UK and potentially could see its component parts fracture. 0 -
Fair exchange is no robbery, comrade....Banterman said:
Free sleeping bags and nice cardboard sheets to lie on too.MarqueeMark said:
Although, you now no longer have a house.....KentRising said:
Free hotel stays for all. Vote Labour.Jason said:
Should we be getting a room for you two?Noo said:
I love your username, by the way. I know the reference. I wonder how many people do, without googling.CorrectHorseBattery said:Again, Labour to Plaid is net zero. Lib Dem to Labour or vice versa is net zero.
It's the marginals that matter.0 -
And tracking everything you do.rottenborough said:Do we want the state providing Internet access and thereby controlling, at the least, aspects of traffic shaping?
Just a thought.0 -
How do you explain the fact that the Falklands was mentioned once during the BBC's 1983 election show which lasted for about 12 hours?Benpointer said:
1983 was defined by the Falklands War the preceeding year. No other GE will ever be like 1983.kle4 said:
Heck of a gamble to assume now will play out like 1983. Should the Tories have done the same in 2010 or 2015 because it worked in 1983?HYUFD said:
When Thatcher won in 1983 she had few controversial policies in her manifesto, the Tories just hammered Labour on their manifesto, which Kaufman called 'the longest suicide note in history.' Boris seems to be following Mrs T's leadkle4 said:
eat of last time. Screams of confidence if that is true.bigjohnowls said:
Desperate fake news.HYUFD said:
Except it is now clear they won't just be paid by other people but by the average voterBlack_Rook said:https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1195110530056409089
Quite. Eliminate inequality by the simple expedient of making everybody without the means to emigrate dirt poor. HOWEVER...Jason said:
If Corbyn got into power, that's precisely what would happen. These fellas believe the Venezuelan economic model is more desirable than ours. So, mass starvation would be preferable to using food banks. Better for everyone to starve than just a few.dyedwoolie said:Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
e at least £1 per year higher than mine.')GIN1138 said:
Labour's gone mad.dyedwoolie said:Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1194956394287362048?s=20
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1195044471702016000?s=20
Get some fooking policies
That said, I wouldn't say it has no chance of succeeding. Roll on weekend polls, and post debate polls, to see if it is working.0 -
Well to be fair there's millions who now don't remember state run telephone services.Banterman said:
City AM editor.Jason said:That fella on Sky News press preview has just dismantled Labour's economic policy in about 30 seconds flat.
Funny how Labour spend a week trying to trash the Tory £1.2tn message, then promptly introduce an additional £30bn pledge.
They must reckon anyone who's going to vote for them can't remember state run telephone services.
They say what goes around comes around and I expect we will have to endure a spell of proper socialist government before much longer.
Don't think it'll be this election but by 2030 we could see a true left wing government for the first time since the 1970s IMO.0 -
Ignore that guy, he's a paid lobbyist for the opaque dark money "thinktank" Policy Exchange.HYUFD said:Australia will curb intelligence sharing with the UK if Corbyn becomes PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7680127/Australia-curb-intelligence-sharing-Britain-Jeremy-Corbyn-PM-warns-ex-envoy.html?fbclid=IwAR2kk6SlDDqcFtBNrEsTtEBdbfeoWPdsT2WS6Mi4Qkg98FUnqMuMowJ7DdI
https://www.transparify.org/0 -
We had big swings against us to lose them in the first place. If swings can go one way then they can go the other way too. Personally I think it's a lottery to try to predict how many Lib Dem seats there'll be. I think there'll be more than 19 for sure though. If you put a gun to my head and demanded a prediction I'd say between 25 and 45.kle4 said:
They need big swings to make gains of most targets. They never quite make that tipping point.MarqueeMark said:Has anybody commented on this General Election Nowcast (12th Nov) from Election Maps:
CON: 367 (+4), 38.2% (-1.0)
LAB: 195 (+6), 28.2% (+0.4)
SNP: 46 (-4), 3.4% (+0.1)
LDM: 19 (-6), 15.8% (-0.1)
LibDems on 19???0 -
If the exit poll says no more than 15 seats for the Lib-Dems will you eat a hat?Torby_Fennel said:
We had big swings against us to lose them in the first place. If swings can go one way then they can go the other way too. Personally I think it's a lottery to try to predict how many Lib Dem seats there'll be. I think there'll be more than 19 for sure though. If you put a gun to my head and demanded a prediction I'd say between 25 and 45.kle4 said:
They need big swings to make gains of most targets. They never quite make that tipping point.MarqueeMark said:Has anybody commented on this General Election Nowcast (12th Nov) from Election Maps:
CON: 367 (+4), 38.2% (-1.0)
LAB: 195 (+6), 28.2% (+0.4)
SNP: 46 (-4), 3.4% (+0.1)
LDM: 19 (-6), 15.8% (-0.1)
LibDems on 19??? 1 -
That's exactly my point! If you're going to bankrupt the country, base your economic model on Third World Venezuela and do it whole heartedly.CorrectHorseBattery said:The Tories wish to play the 2015 austerity game but in reverse?
"Why would I vote Tory for spending pledges when I can have the real thing with Labour".
This election is backfiring.1 -
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I don't think that's right. Labour started rising in the polls from virtually the moment Theresa May called the election.CorrectHorseBattery said:People assume people care Labour is pledging to spend money. I don't think they do, at all.
A month out and it's a 10 point gap. The manifesto is what closed the gap last time, it may well happen again.
Con started falling when they unleashed their manifesto of horrors on the electorate. 0 -
Well he has an ex Labour MP behind him, does not look like many others https://twitter.com/DavidGauke/status/1195055171992260608?s=200
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Long-Bailey & Pidcock, bringing socialised broadband to a town near you!1
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You're (probably deliberately) missing the point.AndyJS said:
How do you explain the fact that the Falklands was mentioned once during the BBC's 1983 election show which lasted for about 12 hours?Benpointer said:
1983 was defined by the Falklands War the preceeding year. No other GE will ever be like 1983.kle4 said:
Heck of a gamble to assume now will play out like 1983. Should the Tories have done the same in 2010 or 2015 because it worked in 1983?HYUFD said:
When Thatcher won in 1983 she had few controversial policies in her manifesto, the Tories just hammered Labour on their manifesto, which Kaufman called 'the longest suicide note in history.' Boris seems to be following Mrs T's leadkle4 said:
eat of last time. Screams of confidence if that is true.bigjohnowls said:
Desperate fake news.HYUFD said:
Except it is now clear they won't just be paid by other people but by the average voterBlack_Rook said:
Quite. Eliminate inequality by the simple expedient of making everybody without the means to emigrate dirt poor. HOWEVER...Jason said:
If Corbyn got into power, that's precisely what would happen. These fellas believe the Venezuelan economic model is more desirable than ours. So, mass starvation would be preferable to using food banks. Better for everyone to starve than just a few.dyedwoolie said:
e at least £1 per year higher than mine.')GIN1138 said:
Labour's gone mad.dyedwoolie said:Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1194956394287362048?s=20
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1195044471702016000?s=20
Get some fooking policies
That said, I wouldn't say it has no chance of succeeding. Roll on weekend polls, and post debate polls, to see if it is working.
In early 1982 the Tories were polling around 30%, roughly neck and neck with Labour.
After the Falklands the Tories never polled below 40% and occasionally polled over 50%. This continued right through to the 1983 GE.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_1983_United_Kingdom_general_election#1982
The Falklands war was a genuine black swan event that cuased a seismic political shift.0 -
Shocking innit?MarqueeMark said:
So no Prime Minister Jo Swinson then? But I got a leaflet and everything....kle4 said:
They need big swings to make gains of most targets. They never quite make that tipping point.MarqueeMark said:Has anybody commented on this General Election Nowcast (12th Nov) from Election Maps:
CON: 367 (+4), 38.2% (-1.0)
LAB: 195 (+6), 28.2% (+0.4)
SNP: 46 (-4), 3.4% (+0.1)
LDM: 19 (-6), 15.8% (-0.1)
LibDems on 19???
Their leaflets no more honest than the ones you’ve been delivering all day.0 -
The last pre Falklands Gallup poll there had the Tories on 35%, the Alliance on 33% and Labour on 30%, so the main movement was Alliance to the Tories not Labour to the Tories given the final result of Tories 42%, Labour 28%, Alliance 25%Benpointer said:
You're (probably deliberately) missing the point.AndyJS said:
How do you explain the fact that the Falklands was mentioned once during the BBC's 1983 election show which lasted for about 12 hours?Benpointer said:
1983 was defined by the Falklands War the preceeding year. No other GE will ever be like 1983.kle4 said:
Heck of a gamble to assume now will play out like 1983. Should the Tories have done the same in 2010 or 2015 because it worked in 1983?HYUFD said:
When Thatcher won in 1983 shis seems to be following Mrs T's leadkle4 said:
eat of last time. Screams of confidence if that is true.bigjohnowls said:
Desperate fake news.HYUFD said:
Except it is now clear they won't just be paid by other people but by the average voterBlack_Rook said:
Quite. Eliminate inequality by the simple expedient of making everybody without the means to emigrate dirt poor. HOWEVER...Jason said:
If Corbyn got into power, that's precisely what would happen. These fellas believe the Venezuelan economic model is more desirable than ours. So, mass starvation would be preferable to using food banks. Better for everyone to starve than just a few.dyedwoolie said:
e at least £1 per year higher than mine.')GIN1138 said:
Labour's gone mad.dyedwoolie said:Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1194956394287362048?s=20
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1195044471702016000?s=20
Get some fooking policies
That said, I wouldn't say it has no chance of succeeding. Roll on weekend polls, and post debate polls, to see if it is working.
In early 1982 the Tories were polling around 30%, roughly neck and neck with Labour.
After the Falklands the Tories never polled below 40% and occasionally polled over 50%. This continued right through to the 1983 GE.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_1983_United_Kingdom_general_election#1982
The Falklands war was a genuine black swan event that cuased a seismic political shift.0 -
The GE17 polling gap remained at 17-18% until 21 days out from the election, when it started close steadily day-by-day.GIN1138 said:
I don't think that's right. Labour started rising in the polls from virtually the moment Theresa May called the election.CorrectHorseBattery said:People assume people care Labour is pledging to spend money. I don't think they do, at all.
A month out and it's a 10 point gap. The manifesto is what closed the gap last time, it may well happen again.
Con started falling when they unleashed their manifesto of horrors on the electorate.0 -
With a Brexit bonus of 350,000,000 a week the free broadband should be paid for in less than a year and a halfJason said:
That's exactly my point! If you're going to bankrupt the country, base your economic model on Third World Venezuela and do it whole heartedly.CorrectHorseBattery said:The Tories wish to play the 2015 austerity game but in reverse?
"Why would I vote Tory for spending pledges when I can have the real thing with Labour".
This election is backfiring.0 -
Leavers, 2019/11/14, am: "Donald Tusk advocates stopping Brexit if Boris unelected! Outrageous interference in our sovereign affairs! Vote Conservative!"HYUFD said:Australia will curb intelligence sharing with the UK if Corbyn becomes PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7680127/Australia-curb-intelligence-sharing-Britain-Jeremy-Corbyn-PM-warns-ex-envoy.html?fbclid=IwAR2kk6SlDDqcFtBNrEsTtEBdbfeoWPdsT2WS6Mi4Qkg98FUnqMuMowJ7DdI
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Seemed to go down a treat for Ed Miliband in the debates.CorrectHorseBattery said:People assume people care Labour is pledging to spend money. I don't think they do, at all.
A month out and it's a 10 point gap. The manifesto is what closed the gap last time, it may well happen again.
Two weeks - and we will know where we stand.-1 -
Whatever.HYUFD said:
The last pre Falklands Gallup poll there had the Tories on 35%, the Alliance on 33% and Labour on 30%, so the main movement was Alliance to the Tories not Labour to the Tories given the final result of Tories 42%, Labour 28%, Alliance 25%Benpointer said:
You're (probably deliberately) missing the point.AndyJS said:
How do you explain the fact that the Falklands was mentioned once during the BBC's 1983 election show which lasted for about 12 hours?Benpointer said:
1983 was defined by the Falklands War the preceeding year. No other GE will ever be like 1983.kle4 said:
Heck of a gamble to assume now will play out like 1983. Should the Tories have done the same in 2010 or 2015 because it worked in 1983?HYUFD said:
When Thatcher won in 1983 shis seems to be following Mrs T's leadkle4 said:
eat of last time. Screams of confidence if that is true.bigjohnowls said:
Desperate fake news.HYUFD said:
Except it is now clear they won't just be paid by other people but by the average voterBlack_Rook said:
Quite. Eliminate inequality by the simple expedient of making everybody without the means to emigrate dirt poor. HOWEVER...Jason said:dyedwoolie said:
e at least £1 per year higher than mine.')GIN1138 said:
Labour's gone mad.dyedwoolie said:Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1194956394287362048?s=20
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1195044471702016000?s=20
Get some fooking policies
That said, I wouldn't say it has no chance of succeeding. Roll on weekend polls, and post debate polls, to see if it is working.
In early 1982 the Tories were polling around 30%, roughly neck and neck with Labour.
After the Falklands the Tories never polled below 40% and occasionally polled over 50%. This continued right through to the 1983 GE.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_1983_United_Kingdom_general_election#1982
The Falklands war was a genuine black swan event that cuased a seismic political shift.
My point was it was the Falklands that changed the polling dynamics for the 1983 GE.0 -
Yeah I missed the point. So it’s like why Warren will lose to Trump with her socialised healthcare plan because voters she needs like the private plans they have and don’t want to give them up? This Labour gimmick sinks without trace in next few days because people like options and choice with their money power?FrancisUrquhart said:
You are missing the point. It isn't just the nationalization to massively expand the infrastructure. It is the fact they will be the sole provider of internet to the consumer across the country with a one sized fit all plan.egg said:
The Tories will copy the broadband announcement. They have no choice. How do you answer the claim Only 10% of premises in the UK are connected to full-fibre broadband, in Japan it’s 97%? And Is that all it would cost £20B? So two years out of EU pays for it? And surely the benefit to business subtracts from the cost?Jason said:
I reckon most Labour folk would much rather it was about anything else than Brexit. Can't think why.CorrectHorseBattery said:Will the Tories actually announce any policies? I can't think of a single policy off the top of my head.
Does anyone honestly think this election will be Brexit alone?
The Tory’s should say, you’ve stolen our big idea! We were going to do that too! Don’t allow Labour this differential! Such differentials could sneak majority out of Tory hands.
So that’s one interesting policy.
Those comparing it to say a phone line, it isn't the same at all. Different folk have widely different requirements for how big the down and up pipe is, even among the consumer, let alone small businesses.0 -
How come ComRes has suddenly become SavantaComRes?0
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It was nationalised. For the people.GIN1138 said:How come ComRes has suddenly become SavantaComRes?
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Labour having a 'mare all over the place:
https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/11951342330875535410 -
Turn away for a few hours, and when you come back you find Labour are promising another few tens of billions on another completely bonkers scheme. They are not even pretending to be sane.
It's a novel approach. Perhaps it will work. (Of course, not 'work' as in 'prove workable', but 'work' as in con voters for a few weeks.)0 -
I don’t like it when you do this HY, this lump went from them to them, surely truth is more of a roundabout effect. I remember 83 very clearly, working class districts all around me went Thatcher. What were the headline policies in that manifesto, right to buy?HYUFD said:
The last pre Falklands Gallup poll there had the Tories on 35%, the Alliance on 33% and Labour on 30%, so the main movement was Alliance to the Tories not Labour to the Tories given the final result of Tories 42%, Labour 28%, Alliance 25%Benpointer said:
You're (probably deliberately) missing the point.AndyJS said:
How do you explain the fact that the Falklands was mentioned once during the BBC's 1983 election show which lasted for about 12 hours?Benpointer said:
1983 was defined by the Falklands War the preceeding year. No other GE will ever be like 1983.kle4 said:
Heck of a gamble to assume now will play out like 1983. Should the Tories have done the same in 2010 or 2015 because it worked in 1983?HYUFD said:
When Thatcher won in 1983 shis seems to be following Mrs T's leadkle4 said:
eat of last time. Screams of confidence if that is true.bigjohnowls said:
Desperate fake news.HYUFD said:
Except it is now clear they won't just be paid by other people but by the average voterBlack_Rook said:
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1194956394287362048?s=20
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1195044471702016000?s=20
Get some fooking policies
That said, I wouldn't say it has no chance of succeeding. Roll on weekend polls, and post debate polls, to see if it is working.
In early 1982 the Tories were polling around 30%, roughly neck and neck with Labour.
After the Falklands the Tories never polled below 40% and occasionally polled over 50%. This continued right through to the 1983 GE.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_1983_United_Kingdom_general_election#1982
The Falklands war was a genuine black swan event that cuased a seismic political shift.0 -
The main issue in 1983 was Foot's unfitness to be PM, despite being a nice man personally.egg said:
I don’t like it when you do this HY, this lump went from them to them, surely truth is more of a roundabout effect. I remember 83 very clearly, working class districts all around me went Thatcher. What were the headline policies in that manifesto, right to buy?HYUFD said:
The last pre Falklands Gallup poll there had the Tories on 35%, the Alliance on 33% and Labour on 30%, so the main movement was Alliance to the Tories not Labour to the Tories given the final result of Tories 42%, Labour 28%, Alliance 25%Benpointer said:
You're (probably deliberately) missing the point.AndyJS said:
How do you explain the fact that the Falklands was mentioned once during the BBC's 1983 election show which lasted for about 12 hours?Benpointer said:
1983 was defined by the Falklands War the preceeding year. No other GE will ever be like 1983.kle4 said:
Heck of a gamble to assume now will play out like 1983. Should the Tories have done the same in 2010 or 2015 because it worked in 1983?HYUFD said:
When Thatcher won in 1983 shis seems to be following Mrs T's leadkle4 said:
eat of last time. Screams of confidence if that is true.bigjohnowls said:
Desperate fake news.HYUFD said:
Except it is now clear they won't just be paid by other people but by the average voterBlack_Rook said:
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1194956394287362048?s=20
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1195044471702016000?s=20
Get some fooking policies
That said, I wouldn't say it has no chance of succeeding. Roll on weekend polls, and post debate polls, to see if it is working.
In early 1982 the Tories were polling around 30%, roughly neck and neck with Labour.
After the Falklands the Tories never polled below 40% and occasionally polled over 50%. This continued right through to the 1983 GE.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_1983_United_Kingdom_general_election#1982
The Falklands war was a genuine black swan event that cuased a seismic political shift.0 -
2017 showed that a very large percentage of the electorate like the idea of free money, so it makes sense for Labour to try it again.Richard_Nabavi said:Turn away for a few hours, and when you come back you find Labour are promising another few tens of billions on another completely bonkers scheme. They are not even pretending to be sane.
It's a novel approach. Perhaps it will work. (Of course, not 'work' as in 'prove workable', but 'work' as in con voters for a few weeks.)0 -
We learnt from you Remainers.viewcode said:
Leavers, 2019/11/14, am: "Donald Tusk advocates stopping Brexit if Boris unelected! Outrageous interference in our sovereign affairs! Vote Conservative!"HYUFD said:Australia will curb intelligence sharing with the UK if Corbyn becomes PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7680127/Australia-curb-intelligence-sharing-Britain-Jeremy-Corbyn-PM-warns-ex-envoy.html?fbclid=IwAR2kk6SlDDqcFtBNrEsTtEBdbfeoWPdsT2WS6Mi4Qkg98FUnqMuMowJ7DdI
Leavers, 2019/11/14, pm: "Alexander Downer advises Australia will curb datasharing with UK if Corbyn elected! What a wise comment! Vote Conservative!"0 -
I'm hazarding a guess that SLab weren't a close second here.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Labour having a 'mare all over the place:
https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1195134233087553541
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This is interesting.
Can anyone guess which document this is extracted from?
"Telecommunications
A national cable system will make possible a wide range of new telecommunications services, greater variety in the provision of television, and a major stimulus to British technology and industry. But it must be under firm public control. A publicly-owned British Telecommunications will thus be given the sole responsibility to create a national, broadband network (including Mercury, the new privately-owned telecommunications system for business), which integrates telecommunications and broadcasting."
http://www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos/1983/1983-labour-manifesto.shtml0 -
Our new Labour spinner will be along shortly to tell us why that's actually good news for Labour.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Labour having a 'mare all over the place:
https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1195134233087553541 0 -
Did you see him on his recent tour?CorrectHorseBattery said:
You are the first person to get it.Noo said:
I love your username, by the way. I know the reference. I wonder how many people do, without googling.CorrectHorseBattery said:Again, Labour to Plaid is net zero. Lib Dem to Labour or vice versa is net zero.
It's the marginals that matter.0 -
That's probably their reasoning, but it makes two assumptions:AndyJS said:
2017 showed that a very large percentage of the electorate like the idea of free money, so it makes sense for Labour to try it again.Richard_Nabavi said:Turn away for a few hours, and when you come back you find Labour are promising another few tens of billions on another completely bonkers scheme. They are not even pretending to be sane.
It's a novel approach. Perhaps it will work. (Of course, not 'work' as in 'prove workable', but 'work' as in con voters for a few weeks.)
1. That the Conservatives will let them get away with it unchallenged, as May did in 2017, and
2. That Labour won't actually ever get into a position where they might have to attempt to deliver a modicum of the fantasy.
Admittedly 2 is probably fairly safe, but 1 isn't.0 -
LOL!AndyJS said:This is interesting.
Can anyone guess which document this is extracted from?
"Telecommunications
A national cable system will make possible a wide range of new telecommunications services, greater variety in the provision of television, and a major stimulus to British technology and industry. But it must be under firm public control. A publicly-owned British Telecommunications will thus be given the sole responsibility to create a national, broadband network (including Mercury, the new privately-owned telecommunications system for business), which integrates telecommunications and broadcasting."
http://www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos/1983/1983-labour-manifesto.shtml0 -
They do seem to have finished third, but have been absolutely spanked from the numbers I've just seen.Theuniondivvie said:
I'm hazarding a guess that SLab weren't a close second here.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Labour having a 'mare all over the place:
https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1195134233087553541
https://twitter.com/C_CSmith1/status/1195135383123767297?s=200 -
There was a lot going on. The Tory’s were excellent at tapping into the aspirations of the working class. What followed 83 was working class people buying their council house knocked down prices, a few Gas shares Too and started calling themselves middle class. And very much keeping the mindset to 2016 when they voted brexit.AndyJS said:
The main issue in 1983 was Foot's unfitness to be PM, despite being a nice man personally.egg said:
I don’t like it when you do this HY, this lump went from them to them, surely truth is more of a roundabout effect. I remember 83 very clearly, working class districts all around me went Thatcher. What were the headline policies in that manifesto, right to buy?HYUFD said:
The last pre Falklands Gallup poll there had the Tories on 35%, the Alliance on 33% and Labour on 30%, so the main movement was Alliance to the Tories not Labour to the Tories given the final result of Tories 42%, Labour 28%, Alliance 25%Benpointer said:AndyJS said:
How do you explain the fact that the Falklands was mentioned once during the BBC's 1983 election show which lasted for about 12 hours?Benpointer said:kle4 said:HYUFD said:
When Thatcher won in 1983 shis seems to be following Mrs T's leadkle4 said:
eat of last time. Screams of confidence if that is true.bigjohnowls said:
Desperate fake news.HYUFD said:
Except it is now clear they won't just be paid by other people but by the average voterBlack_Rook said:
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1194956394287362048?s=20
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1195044471702016000?s=20
Get some fooking policies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_1983_United_Kingdom_general_election#1982
The Falklands war was a genuine black swan event that cuased a seismic political shift.0 -
Snp won that dunfermline seat at 5th stage by 2 votes! Squeaky bum stuff0
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Let’s hope they crossed the mercury bit out when they copied it.GIN1138 said:
LOL!AndyJS said:This is interesting.
Can anyone guess which document this is extracted from?
"Telecommunications
A national cable system will make possible a wide range of new telecommunications services, greater variety in the provision of television, and a major stimulus to British technology and industry. But it must be under firm public control. A publicly-owned British Telecommunications will thus be given the sole responsibility to create a national, broadband network (including Mercury, the new privately-owned telecommunications system for business), which integrates telecommunications and broadcasting."
http://www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos/1983/1983-labour-manifesto.shtml0 -
That Corbyn bounce in Scotland, in full:
https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/11951386216926167040 -
This is good news for Labour.GIN1138 said:
Our new Labour spinner will be along shortly to tell us why that's actually good news for Labour.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Labour having a 'mare all over the place:
https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1195134233087553541
Getting trounced in local elections in 2017 campaign is a lucky omen for them. Like not shaving till the cup run comes to an end etc.
It clearly has nothing to do with what will happen on Dec 12 that is different as it’s 600 or so 2 horse races with tactical voting.0
