The message is a decent enough one, but it was a bit long - the joke of it was made 30 seconds in, I don't think another 90 seconds was needed to make the same points. No the message is not diluted by it being a whole 2 minutes long, but it'd be like saying 'Corbyn is a commie' five times in a Tory broadcast. 2 or 3 would do it.
Disagree. Very good tape.
I'm curious - what about repeating the same gag a dozen times make it better than repeating it 6 times would?
It's effective. Repetition is commonly used in both rhetoric and comedy. It's effective.
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
As opposed to being completely dependent on private utilities.
Who we can bin if we not happy with the service
Do you not remember the bad old days with the state phone monopoly??
Worst experience I've had with phone services was with fucking ntl. God alive what a bunch of tarts they were. Makes my blood boil now just thinking about it, 20 years on.
Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Well given Virgin will basically not have a consumer business come 2030, the Commie Cable Company can just seize the infrastructure when it goes bust.
And we all get free fibre Broadand
Poor Richard Branson and Rupert Murdoch make less money how sad never mind.
you really don't care about the job losses do you?
Forget the job losses, there are likely companies who are right now thinking should they scrap their investment in the local-loop, backhaul, 5G and so on if Labour's simply going to take if off them. There is a hell of a lot more to "broadband" than just Openreach.
I'm just pointing out that John and Labour are a bunch of hypocrites.
This is also the Trump approach. Get people talking about it.
The Tories have done Labour's work for them, their questions will be "well what will you do"?
I am astonished the Tories didn't see it.
The Tories are on their back foot now. Is "Get Brexit Done" seriously all they've got? They're bound to pull an enormous rabbit out of the hat in the final fortnight, but nevertheless Boris and Jacob could be one Gillian Duffy moment away from losing. How many in the North believe the "Brexit Party" is a political party rather than a "feel good about spoiling your ballot if you don't much like Labour as it currently stands but still couldn't stomach voting Tory in a million years" operation?
I'd take an average 10 point poll lead this close to an election and 'be on the back foot' any day. Wouldn't you?
Who has the best integrated online systems in Europe....probably Estonia...why, the state pushed development in the early days and made government accessible via the web, and private companies provide the service and it is extremely competitive. They have exactly the opposite of the Commie Cable Company.
You know that 1.2 trillion quid the Tories said Labour would rack up in extra debt? That's starting to look woefully under estimated. By the end of the campaign, it'll be double that.
A state owned and funded national fibre network? Ok that makes sense. State provided broadband? It'll be shit.
How long until McDonnell offers me a free Moon on a Stick?
Some better model for Openreach, such as joint ownership between the state, ISPs, and telecoms companies probably would make sense. Although simply separating it from BT would be the first thing to try.
"Free" broadband would simply mean that only the wealthy have alternatives, the many options we currently have would all but disappear. I do not think it would lead to a better service for most of us.
I don't suppose there's any point in asking people not to clog up the threads with fantasies about the other side's state of mind? Likewise any poster accusing any other poster of being "rattled"...
Buses aren't a natural monopoly any more than airlines.
Underground cables are.
Indeed. And as if the public have a fucking clue about the idea of nationalising broadband until you offer it to them.
I'm not so sure about buses. If you live in Fallowfield, it makes sense to have five different bus companies competing to take you to Salford. If you live in Fakenham and you need to get to Swaffham, how many bus services can there be? Seems to me buses straddle the boundary between natural monopoly and not.
Maybe buses aren't as competitive as that; they certainly need regulation, which is different from ownership. I agree with the public's view of airlines, trains and the Royal Mail though.
Yeah, depends what type of regulation. Airlines need very heavy regulation indeed, but I'd fight tooth and nail to keep the government out of the industry. Buses... mmmm, I'm tempted by the idea of the state being involved. Or at least councils. Not sure.
It's a good reminder of how terrible most district council website are. Also, that some Returning Officers can't be bothered to get their act in gear and post up their SoPNs promptly on one of the most important dates every five two years. Yes, Dudley and Sutton, I do mean you.
There are a lot of non Conservative seats where the BXP hasn't got a candidate. Many gaps in Scotland, Wales and London and a handful in the rest of England. In most it won't matter but in a few are marginal. eg. Bristol NW, Canterbury, Dudley N, Eltham, Hyndburn, Newport East. Also a few in England with no LDs eg Worcester.
Worcester City Council haven’t uploaded their SoPN yet. I’d be surprised if there’s no LD - I don’t think this is a Unite to Remain seat, is it?
@Benpointer no connection, I just thought I’d help out!
Buses aren't a natural monopoly any more than airlines.
Underground cables are.
Indeed. And as if the public have a fucking clue about the idea of nationalising broadband until you offer it to them.
I'm not so sure about buses. If you live in Fallowfield, it makes sense to have five different bus companies competing to take you to Salford. If you live in Fakenham and you need to get to Swaffham, how many bus services can there be? Seems to me buses straddle the boundary between natural monopoly and not.
Quite so. Buses are better regulated/nationalised - even Mrs T didn’t deregulate the London bus network because she knew to do so would wreck the network, because only the most popular routes would be supported.
I was looking into buses in the East Suffolk area the other day and - surprise surprise - the route I used 10 years ago is no longer running. In fact, people who need to get from A to B can phone a community taxi service run by volunteers that costs 50p/mile (or some such) - a classic case of the community having to rally round to pick up the slack and evidence that buses are best run as a public service as there's just not enough profit in most non-urban routes to satisfy private companies.
I remember when Tories condemned Ed Milliband as a communist and then later copied his policies. Nothing changes.
Yup. Conservatives cry wolf every election. Now, is this a wolf or not? You wouldn't know listening to conservatives because that's what they say even when it isn't.
It's a good reminder of how terrible most district council website are. Also, that some Returning Officers can't be bothered to get their act in gear and post up their SoPNs promptly on one of the most important dates every five two years. Yes, Dudley and Sutton, I do mean you.
There are a lot of non Conservative seats where the BXP hasn't got a candidate. Many gaps in Scotland, Wales and London and a handful in the rest of England. In most it won't matter but in a few are marginal. eg. Bristol NW, Canterbury, Dudley N, Eltham, Hyndburn, Newport East. Also a few in England with no LDs eg Worcester.
Worcester City Council haven’t uploaded their SoPN yet. I’d be surprised if there’s no LD - I don’t think this is a Unite to Remain seat, is it?
@Benpointer no connection, I just thought I’d help out!
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
If Corbyn got into power, that's precisely what would happen. These fellas believe the Venezuelan economic model is more desirable than ours. So, mass starvation would be preferable to using food banks. Better for everyone to starve than just a few.
Quite. Eliminate inequality by the simple expedient of making everybody without the means to emigrate dirt poor. HOWEVER...
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Labour's gone mad.
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
I fear that we underestimate at our peril the attraction of "free" everything. Labour can get a hearing for all of these ideas if it can convince a sufficient number of voters that they'll all be paid for by other people, i.e. "the rich" (variously defined as 'billionaires whom we all know have effectively infinite amounts of cash, none of which they deserve to possess and which should therefore be spent on me' or 'everybody in the country with an income at least £1 per year higher than mine.')
Except it is now clear they won't just be paid by other people but by the average voter
The podcast suggests the Tories might consider putting off their manifesto as long as they can to avoid a repeat of last time. Screams of confidence if that is true.
Who has the best integrated online systems in Europe....probably Estonia...why, the state pushed development in the early days and made government accessible via the web, and private companies provide the service and it is extremely competitive. They have exactly the opposite of the Commie Cable Company.
And shock horror, they have a great tech sector.
You know if they actually said, "we've looked at what works best and are going to copy that" then fair enough. But what nation has a fast, cost-efficient, reliable network AND offers "free" broadband? There doesn't seem to be anywhere that does it.
Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Well given Virgin will basically not have a consumer business come 2030, the Commie Cable Company can just seize the infrastructure when it goes bust.
And we all get free fibre Broadand
Poor Richard Branson and Rupert Murdoch make less money how sad never mind.
you really don't care about the job losses do you?
Forget the job losses, there are likely companies who are right now thinking should they scrap their investment in the local-loop, backhaul, 5G and so on if Labour's simply going to take if off them. There is a hell of a lot more to "broadband" than just Openreach.
If Labour were to win the election, private sector investment in telecoms infrastructure would crater overnight. But you’re correct in thinking the effects of the policy as reported would be far reaching.
And it’s a long time between overnight and 2030...
I wonder if Labour are now insane enough to promise to pay off everyone's unsecured debts. Seriously. All your credit cards, overdrafts, everything, paid off by the government. And just borrow trillions more and leave the next generation indebted for life. Why not? Why just stop at a few piffling re-nationalisations, and a bit of tinkering like broadband? How about paying a 25% deposit on any mortgage application for non homeowners? Or abolishing income tax altogether for anyone earning under 50k? Seriously though, if Corbyn and McDonnell are intent on bankrupting this country - why not go the whole hog and do it properly?
Who has the best integrated online systems in Europe....probably Estonia...why, the state pushed development in the early days and made government accessible via the web, and private companies provide the service and it is extremely competitive. They have exactly the opposite of the Commie Cable Company.
Who has the best integrated online systems in Europe....probably Estonia...why, the state pushed development in the early days and made government accessible via the web, and private companies provide the service and it is extremely competitive. They have exactly the opposite of the Commie Cable Company.
And shock horror, they have a great tech sector.
You know if they actually said, "we've looked at what works best and are going to copy that" then fair enough. But what nation has a fast, cost-efficient, reliable network AND offers "free" broadband? There doesn't seem to be anywhere that does it.
Exactly, Estonia doesn't, Korea doesn't. Even bloody China doesn't give it away for free..
I don't suppose there's any point in asking people not to clog up the threads with fantasies about the other side's state of mind? Likewise any poster accusing any other poster of being "rattled"...
This times 1000.
Or at least we could save time and put 'Lab/LD/Con/SNP look rattled, and are panicking' at the bottom of every header?
I remember when Tories condemned Ed Milliband as a communist and then later copied his policies. Nothing changes.
Yup. Conservatives cry wolf every election. Now, is this a wolf or not? You wouldn't know listening to conservatives because that's what they say even when it isn't.
Anyone who won't be emigrating if Corbyn gets in? Beyond Labour and SNP voters of course. I suspect there will be an even bigger surge in PBers posting from Spain, Switzerland, Singapore, the UAE, Australia, Florida etc
I don't suppose there's any point in asking people not to clog up the threads with fantasies about the other side's state of mind? Likewise any poster accusing any other poster of being "rattled"...
This times 1000.
Or at least we could save time and put 'Lab/LD/Con/SNP look rattled, and are panicking' at the bottom of every header?
For the next 4 weeks, it should be standard format for each thread "First"....
Who has the best integrated online systems in Europe....probably Estonia...why, the state pushed development in the early days and made government accessible via the web, and private companies provide the service and it is extremely competitive. They have exactly the opposite of the Commie Cable Company.
And shock horror, they have a great tech sector.
Do you get free fibre Broadband?
No, and nor would you even if Labour were to win in December. 2030 is two full Parliamentary terms away. The damage to UK technology investment would be immediate.
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
If Corbyn got into power, that's precisely what would happen. These fellas believe the Venezuelan economic model is more desirable than ours. So, mass starvation would be preferable to using food banks. Better for everyone to starve than just a few.
Quite. Eliminate inequality by the simple expedient of making everybody without the means to emigrate dirt poor. HOWEVER...
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Labour's gone mad.
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
I fear that we underestimate at our peril the attraction of "free" everything. Labour can get a hearing for all of these ideas if it can convince a sufficient number of voters that they'll all be paid for by other people, i.e. "the rich" (variously defined as 'billionaires whom we all know have effectively infinite amounts of cash, none of which they deserve to possess and which should therefore be spent on me' or 'everybody in the country with an income at least £1 per year higher than mine.')
Except it is now clear they won't just be paid by other people but by the average voter
The podcast suggests the Tories might consider putting off their manifesto as long as they can to avoid a repeat of last time. Screams of confidence if that is true.
When Thatcher won in 1983 she had few controversial policies in her manifesto, the Tories just hammered Labour on their manifesto, which Kaufman called 'the longest suicide note in history.' Boris seems to be following Mrs T's lead
Labour's campaign seems to be about ensuring 30% give or take, vote Labour, and that they can't be overtaken by the Lib Dems.
Exactly. With the added benefit of ensuring wavering Tories that they should really stay Blue just in case Corbyn even begins to look vaguely like getting anywhere.
Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Well given Virgin will basically not have a consumer business come 2030, the Commie Cable Company can just seize the infrastructure when it goes bust.
And we all get free fibre Broadand
Poor Richard Branson and Rupert Murdoch make less money how sad never mind.
Jesus. How short sighted.
And everyone else involved in business providing the wealth that runs public services will take note, take cover, or flee.
You really do not get what the knock on impact of confiscation will be do you?
Free broadband's a good idea. we have free education and health it's not a new concept. More useful than paying 20,000 policemen who are a complete waste of money.
I wonder if Labour are now insane enough to promise to pay off everyone's unsecured debts. Seriously. All your credit cards, overdrafts, everything, paid off by the government. And just borrow trillions more and leave the next generation indebted for life. Why not? Why just stop at a few piffling re-nationalisations, and a bit of tinkering like broadband? How about paying a 25% deposit on any mortgage application for non homeowners? Or abolishing income tax altogether for anyone earning under 50k? Seriously though, if Corbyn and McDonnell are intent on bankrupting this country - why not go the whole hog and do it properly?
I remember when Tories condemned Ed Milliband as a communist and then later copied his policies. Nothing changes.
Yup. Conservatives cry wolf every election. Now, is this a wolf or not? You wouldn't know listening to conservatives because that's what they say even when it isn't.
How many hours to save the NHS this time?
That would be an excellent comment at any time other than when we've just had those dire figures published.
Jason Zadrozny has been taking to social media to claim Tories have no chance in Ashfield, it's a straight fight between him and Labour. His election literature is full of the same nonsense. Desperate stuff and locals are starting to get annoyed with his outrageous claims. Labour were only 400 votes ahead of Tories in 2017, Ashfield Independents a further 16,000 behind that. Think he's losing the plot, a sign things aren't going his way perhaps?
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
If Corbyn got into power, that's precisely what would happen. These fellas believe the Venezuelan economic model is more desirable than ours. So, mass starvation would be preferable to using food banks. Better for everyone to starve than just a few.
Quite. Eliminate inequality by the simple expedient of making everybody without the means to emigrate dirt poor. HOWEVER...
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Labour's gone mad.
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
I fear that we underestimate at our peril the attraction of "free" everything. Labour can get a hearing for all of these ideas if it can convince a sufficient number of voters that they'll all be paid for by other people, i.e. "the rich" (variously defined as 'billionaires whom we all know have effectively infinite amounts of cash, none of which they deserve to possess and which should therefore be spent on me' or 'everybody in the country with an income at least £1 per year higher than mine.')
Except it is now clear they won't just be paid by other people but by the average voter
Anyone who won't be emigrating if Corbyn gets in? Beyond Labour and SNP voters of course
People joke about it, kinda of say it and never do, but I said this before I thought Ed Miliband had a flawed thesis (based on a book he read that has now been debunked), but I wasn't worried about what would happen if he got into power. I think Ed Balls is a smart guy, he actually used to annoy most because I know, that he knew, some of the stuff he spouted was rubbish, rather than being a moron.
Where as Corbyn and Co, they are absolutely bonkers. Again, if they had announced say like Estonia that internet is a human right like water / power and were going to provide credits so the poor had access, ok. But a Commie Cable Co, with a one sized fit all provision, insanity.
Anyone who won't be emigrating if Corbyn gets in? Beyond Labour and SNP voters of course. I suspect there will be an even bigger surge in PBers posting from Spain, Switzerland, Singapore, the UAE, Australia, Florida etc
Me. If they manage to stop Brexit. Otherwise, the plans I've got in motion will be followed through on.
I remember when Tories condemned Ed Milliband as a communist and then later copied his policies. Nothing changes.
Yup. Conservatives cry wolf every election. Now, is this a wolf or not? You wouldn't know listening to conservatives because that's what they say even when it isn't.
How many hours to save the NHS this time?
That would be an excellent comment at any time other than when we've just had those dire figures published.
Some of us remember the state of the NHS when Labour were throwing money around - how many excess deaths was it again?
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
If Corbyn got into power, that's precisely what would happen. These fellas believe the Venezuelan economic model is more desirable than ours. So, mass starvation would be preferable to using food banks. Better for everyone to starve than just a few.
Quite. Eliminate inequality by the simple expedient of making everybody without the means to emigrate dirt poor. HOWEVER...
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Labour's gone mad.
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
I fear that we underestimate at our peril the attraction of "free" everything. Labour can get a hearing for all of these ideas if it can convince a sufficient number of voters that they'll all be paid for by other people, i.e. "the rich" (variously defined as 'billionaires whom we all know have effectively infinite amounts of cash, none of which they deserve to possess and which should therefore be spent on me' or 'everybody in the country with an income at least £1 per year higher than mine.')
Except it is now clear they won't just be paid by other people but by the average voter
Anyone who won't be emigrating if Corbyn gets in? Beyond Labour and SNP voters of course
Well, there's the 90% who have no realistic means of emigrating. Plus there's the 9% representing those who could emigrate but who love this country too much to leave.
So that just leaves the 1% who are wealthy and don't like the UK that much, I guess. They can bugger-off as far as I'm concerned.
Jason Zadrozny has been taking to social media to claim Tories have no chance in Ashfield, it's a straight fight between him and Labour. His election literature is full of the same nonsense. Desperate stuff and locals are starting to get annoyed with his outrageous claims. Labour were only 400 votes ahead of Tories in 2017, Ashfield Independents a further 16,000 behind that. Think he's losing the plot, a sign things aren't going his way perhaps?
I often think that a confident attitude can take you a long way, and be effective, but there are limits and at some point cautious optimism might be a better approach.
Anyone who won't be emigrating if Corbyn gets in? Beyond Labour and SNP voters of course
Well, there's the 90% who have no realistic means of emigrating. Plus there's the 9% representing those who could emigrate but who love this country too much to leave.
So that just leaves the 1% who are wealthy and don't like the UK that much, I guess. They can bugger-off as far as I'm concerned.
Well I won't just be going, I will be taking my businesses with me.
Anyone who won't be emigrating if Corbyn gets in? Beyond Labour and SNP voters of course
Well, there's the 90% who have no realistic means of emigrating. Plus there's the 9% representing those who could emigrate but who love this country too much to leave.
So that just leaves the 1% who are wealthy and don't like the UK that much, I guess. They can bugger-off as far as I'm concerned.
Well I won't just be going, I will be taking my businesses with me.
Anyone who won't be emigrating if Corbyn gets in? Beyond Labour and SNP voters of course
People joke about it, kinda of say it and never do, but I said this before I thought Ed Miliband had a flawed thesis (based on a book he read that has now been debunked), but I wasn't worried about what would happen if he got into power. I think Ed Balls is a smart guy, he actually used to annoy most because I know, that he knew, some of the stuff he spouted was rubbish, rather than being a moron.
Where as Corbyn and Co, they are absolutely bonkers. Again, if they had announced say like Estonia that internet is a human right like water / power and were going to provide credits so the poor had access, ok. But a Commie Cable Co, with a one sized fit all provision, insanity.
McDonnell's policies are not only a bit mental (mostly) but he seems pretty vile personally - the way he smeared Austin on live television - to cheers from his Momentum lackeys - is what has stayed with me most so far in this campaign.
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
If Corbyn got into power, that's precisely what would happen. These fellas believe the Venezuelan economic model is more desirable than ours. So, mass starvation would be preferable to using food banks. Better for everyone to starve than just a few.
Quite. Eliminate inequality by the simple expedient of making everybody without the means to emigrate dirt poor. HOWEVER...
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Labour's gone mad.
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
I fear that we underestimate at our peril the attraction of "free" everything. Labour can get a hearing for all of these ideas if it can convince a sufficient number of voters that they'll all be paid for by other people, i.e. "the rich" (variously defined as 'billionaires whom we all know have effectively infinite amounts of cash, none of which they deserve to possess and which should therefore be spent on me' or 'everybody in the country with an income at least £1 per year higher than mine.')
Except it is now clear they won't just be paid by other people but by the average voter
The podcast suggests the Tories might consider putting off their manifesto as long as they can to avoid a repeat of last time. Screams of confidence if that is true.
When Thatcher won in 1983 she had few controversial policies in her manifesto, the Tories just hammered Labour on their manifesto, which Kaufman called 'the longest suicide note in history.' Boris seems to be following Mrs T's lead
Heck of a gamble to assume now will play out like 1983. Should the Tories have done the same in 2010 or 2015 because it worked in 1983?
That said, I wouldn't say it has no chance of succeeding. Roll on weekend polls, and post debate polls, to see if it is working.
If Plaid gains from Labour, it doesn't matter. Plaid will govern with Labour. It's like SNP or LDs gaining from Labour, it doesn't matter. What matters is Tory/Labour marginals and Tory/LD marginals.
Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Well given Virgin will basically not have a consumer business come 2030, the Commie Cable Company can just seize the infrastructure when it goes bust.
And we all get free fibre Broadand
Poor Richard Branson and Rupert Murdoch make less money how sad never mind.
you really don't care about the job losses do you?
Forget the job losses, there are likely companies who are right now thinking should they scrap their investment in the local-loop, backhaul, 5G and so on if Labour's simply going to take if off them. There is a hell of a lot more to "broadband" than just Openreach.
If Labour were to win the election, private sector investment in telecoms infrastructure would crater overnight. But you’re correct in thinking the effects of the policy as reported would be far reaching.
And it’s a long time between overnight and 2030...
Anyone who won't be emigrating if Corbyn gets in? Beyond Labour and SNP voters of course
Well, there's the 90% who have no realistic means of emigrating. Plus there's the 9% representing those who could emigrate but who love this country too much to leave.
So that just leaves the 1% who are wealthy and don't like the UK that much, I guess. They can bugger-off as far as I'm concerned.
Well I won't just be going, I will be taking my businesses with me.
Anyone who won't be emigrating if Corbyn gets in? Beyond Labour and SNP voters of course
People joke about it, kinda of say it and never do, but I said this before I thought Ed Miliband had a flawed thesis (based on a book he read that has now been debunked), but I wasn't worried about what would happen if he got into power. I think Ed Balls is a smart guy, he actually used to annoy most because I know, that he knew, some of the stuff he spouted was rubbish, rather than being a moron.
Where as Corbyn and Co, they are absolutely bonkers. Again, if they had announced say like Estonia that internet is a human right like water / power and were going to provide credits so the poor had access, ok. But a Commie Cable Co, with a one sized fit all provision, insanity.
McDonnell's policies are not only a bit mental (mostly) but he seems pretty vile personally - the way he smeared Austin on live television - to cheers from his Momentum lackeys - is what has stayed with me most so far in this campaign.
It is what he doesn't say that is just as worrying. Corbyn is a dim socialist who believes if we could do stuff a bit more like the 70s the world would be a better place and he finds it rather hard to lie / distort his long held beliefs.
McDonnell is far far more extremist, but is willing to tell bare faced lies and undergo mental gymnastics to get people onside.
Anyone who won't be emigrating if Corbyn gets in? Beyond Labour and SNP voters of course
Well, there's the 90% who have no realistic means of emigrating. Plus there's the 9% representing those who could emigrate but who love this country too much to leave.
So that just leaves the 1% who are wealthy and don't like the UK that much, I guess. They can bugger-off as far as I'm concerned.
Well I won't just be going, I will be taking my businesses with me.
You could have had free fibre broadband for them as well
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It's effective. Worst experience I've had with phone services was with fucking ntl. God alive what a bunch of tarts they were. Makes my blood boil now just thinking about it, 20 years on.
And shock horror, they have a great tech sector.
"Free" broadband would simply mean that only the wealthy have alternatives, the many options we currently have would all but disappear. I do not think it would lead to a better service for most of us.
If you don't, you only have yourselves to blame.
Until it can't
Hello Venezuela.
@Benpointer no connection, I just thought I’d help out!
The Labour Secretary of State for free Broadband will disavow any knowledge of a spendfest
He’s called Big John...
Oh wait 20 to 1
And it’s a long time between overnight and 2030...
Or have they changed their minds AGAIN
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1195119628147671041
Plaid Cymru GAIN Rhos (Neath Port Talbot) from Labour with 54% (+23) of votes.
CON were 2nd on 24% (+1) & LAB 3rd on 22% (-24). https://t.co/3VXC8kvlxm
Or at least we could save time and put 'Lab/LD/Con/SNP look rattled, and are panicking' at the bottom of every header?
Labour's campaign seems to be about ensuring 30% give or take, vote Labour, and that they can't be overtaken by the Lib Dems.
2030 is two full Parliamentary terms away. The damage to UK technology investment would be immediate.
No it's just more fake news.
When are the Tories going to announce a policy.
All the best ones like free fibre Broadbsnd for everyone are going fast. (a bit like fibre Broadband)
Where as Corbyn and Co, they are absolutely bonkers. Again, if they had announced say like Estonia that internet is a human right like water / power and were going to provide credits so the poor had access, ok. But a Commie Cable Co, with a one sized fit all provision, insanity.
Does anyone honestly think this election will be Brexit alone?
LOL - if you say so
Plus there's the 9% representing those who could emigrate but who love this country too much to leave.
So that just leaves the 1% who are wealthy and don't like the UK that much, I guess. They can bugger-off as far as I'm concerned.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1195119628147671041
That said, I wouldn't say it has no chance of succeeding. Roll on weekend polls, and post debate polls, to see if it is working.
His mum was at Cable Street, though.
Anyway goodnight all.
CON were 2nd on 34% (-17) & Putting Cumbria First 3rd on 18% (=). https://t.co/WwJYTdz73r
McDonnell is far far more extremist, but is willing to tell bare faced lies and undergo mental gymnastics to get people onside.
Perfect
It's the marginals that matter.
Too easy.