Anyone who won't be emigrating if Corbyn gets in? Beyond Labour and SNP voters of course
Well, there's the 90% who have no realistic means of emigrating. Plus there's the 9% representing those who could emigrate but who love this country too much to leave.
So that just leaves the 1% who are wealthy and don't like the UK that much, I guess. They can bugger-off as far as I'm concerned.
Well I won't just be going, I will be taking my businesses with me.
You could have had free fibre broadband for them as well
The Commie Cable Co won't be able to provide the service I require, but I won't have any choice.
Will the Tories actually announce any policies? I can't think of a single policy off the top of my head.
Does anyone honestly think this election will be Brexit alone?
Wait and see - you’ll be the first to know 😉 Might not be a good day for you so be prepared.
I remember the 2017 election - when so many ran away.
It isn’t 2017. And well done for remembering back 2 years.
I don’t think you realise what is about to hit you. Still. If you want to imagine it’s 2017 then go ahead. It’ll keep you sane until the inevitable happens.
The message is a decent enough one, but it was a bit long - the joke of it was made 30 seconds in, I don't think another 90 seconds was needed to make the same points. No the message is not diluted by it being a whole 2 minutes long, but it'd be like saying 'Corbyn is a commie' five times in a Tory broadcast. 2 or 3 would do it.
Disagree. Very good tape.
I'm curious - what about repeating the same gag a dozen times make it better than repeating it 6 times would?
It's effective. Repetition is commonly used in both rhetoric and comedy. It's effective.
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
As opposed to being completely dependent on private utilities.
Who we can bin if we not happy with the service
Do you not remember the bad old days with the state phone monopoly??
Worst experience I've had with phone services was with fucking ntl. God alive what a bunch of tarts they were. Makes my blood boil now just thinking about it, 20 years on.
NTL were legendarily shite, helmets of the first order. I’m shuddering with you, two decades hence.
Jason Zadrozny has been taking to social media to claim Tories have no chance in Ashfield, it's a straight fight between him and Labour. His election literature is full of the same nonsense. Desperate stuff and locals are starting to get annoyed with his outrageous claims. Labour were only 400 votes ahead of Tories in 2017, Ashfield Independents a further 16,000 behind that. Think he's losing the plot, a sign things aren't going his way perhaps?
I often think that a confident attitude can take you a long way, and be effective, but there are limits and at some point cautious optimism might be a better approach.
Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Well given Virgin will basically not have a consumer business come 2030, the Commie Cable Company can just seize the infrastructure when it goes bust.
And we all get free fibre Broadand
Poor Richard Branson and Rupert Murdoch make less money how sad never mind.
Jesus. How short sighted.
And everyone else involved in business providing the wealth that runs public services will take note, take cover, or flee.
You really do not get what the knock on impact of confiscation will be do you?
Free broadband's a good idea....
Yeah, if this policy has been announced a decade ago, we’d all have free ADSL now. Assuming you could get the state telco to connect you.
Anyone who won't be emigrating if Corbyn gets in? Beyond Labour and SNP voters of course
Well, there's the 90% who have no realistic means of emigrating. Plus there's the 9% representing those who could emigrate but who love this country too much to leave.
So that just leaves the 1% who are wealthy and don't like the UK that much, I guess. They can bugger-off as far as I'm concerned.
Anyone who won't be emigrating if Corbyn gets in? Beyond Labour and SNP voters of course
Well, there's the 90% who have no realistic means of emigrating. Plus there's the 9% representing those who could emigrate but who love this country too much to leave.
So that just leaves the 1% who are wealthy and don't like the UK that much, I guess. They can bugger-off as far as I'm concerned.
Well I won't just be going, I will be taking my businesses with me.
And many more will follow you, it would be the late 1970s x10
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
If Corbyn got into power, that's precisely what would happen. These fellas believe the Venezuelan economic model is more desirable than ours. So, mass starvation would be preferable to using food banks. Better for everyone to starve than just a few.
Quite. Eliminate inequality by the simple expedient of making everybody without the means to emigrate dirt poor. HOWEVER...
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Labour's gone mad.
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
I fear that we underestimate at our peril the attraction of "free" everything. Labour can get a hearing for all of these ideas if it can convince a sufficient number of voters that they'll all be paid for by other people, i.e. "the rich" (variously defined as 'billionaires whom we all know have effectively infinite amounts of cash, none of which they deserve to possess and which should therefore be spent on me' or 'everybody in the country with an income at least £1 per year higher than mine.')
Except it is now clear they won't just be paid by other people but by the average voter
The podcast suggests the Tories might consider putting off their manifesto as long as they can to avoid a repeat of last time. Screams of confidence if that is true.
When Thatcher won in 1983 she had few controversial policies in her manifesto, the Tories just hammered Labour on their manifesto, which Kaufman called 'the longest suicide note in history.' Boris seems to be following Mrs T's lead
Heck of a gamble to assume now will play out like 1983. Should the Tories have done the same in 2010 or 2015 because it worked in 1983?
That said, I wouldn't say it has no chance of succeeding. Roll on weekend polls, and post debate polls, to see if it is working.
1983 was defined by the Falklands War the preceeding year. No other GE will ever be like 1983.
The message is a decent enough one, but it was a bit long - the joke of it was made 30 seconds in, I don't think another 90 seconds was needed to make the same points. No the message is not diluted by it being a whole 2 minutes long, but it'd be like saying 'Corbyn is a commie' five times in a Tory broadcast. 2 or 3 would do it.
Disagree. Very good tape.
I'm curious - what about repeating the same gag a dozen times make it better than repeating it 6 times would?
It's effective. Repetition is commonly used in both rhetoric and comedy. It's effective.
That's missed the point - I know repetition is effective, but how much repetition is needed to be effective? Eg say it 6 times instead of 12 - both are repetitive, which is more effective? It's not like there's some factor by which the effectiveness inevitably increases each time it is repeated.
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
If Corbyn got into power, that's precisely what would happen. These fellas believe the Venezuelan economic model is more desirable than ours. So, mass starvation would be preferable to using food banks. Better for everyone to starve than just a few.
Quite. Eliminate inequality by the simple expedient of making everybody without the means to emigrate dirt poor. HOWEVER...
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Labour's gone mad.
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
I fear that we underestimate at our peril the attraction of "free" everything. Labour can get a hearing for all of these ideas if it can convince a sufficient number of voters that they'll all be paid for by other people, i.e. "the rich" (variously defined as 'billionaires whom we all know have effectively infinite amounts of cash, none of which they deserve to possess and which should therefore be spent on me' or 'everybody in the country with an income at least £1 per year higher than mine.')
Except it is now clear they won't just be paid by other people but by the average voter
The podcast suggests the Tories might consider putting off their manifesto as long as they can to avoid a repeat of last time. Screams of confidence if that is true.
When Thatcher won in 1983 she had few controversial policies in her manifesto, the Tories just hammered Labour on their manifesto, which Kaufman called 'the longest suicide note in history.' Boris seems to be following Mrs T's lead
Heck of a gamble to assume now will play out like 1983. Should the Tories have done the same in 2010 or 2015 because it worked in 1983?
That said, I wouldn't say it has no chance of succeeding. Roll on weekend polls, and post debate polls, to see if it is working.
1983 was defined by the Falklands War the preceeding year. No other GE will ever be like 1983.
Will the Tories actually announce any policies? I can't think of a single policy off the top of my head.
Does anyone honestly think this election will be Brexit alone?
I reckon most Labour folk would much rather it was about anything else than Brexit. Can't think why.
The Tories will copy the broadband announcement. They have no choice. How do you answer the claim Only 10% of premises in the UK are connected to full-fibre broadband, in Japan it’s 97%? And Is that all it would cost £20B? So two years out of EU pays for it? And surely the benefit to business subtracts from the cost?
The Tory’s should say, you’ve stolen our big idea! We were going to do that too! Don’t allow Labour this differential! Such differentials could sneak majority out of Tory hands.
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
If Corbyn got into power, that's precisely what would happen. These fellas believe the Venezuelan economic model is more desirable than ours. So, mass starvation would be preferable to using food banks. Better for everyone to starve than just a few.
Quite. Eliminate inequality by the simple expedient of making everybody without the means to emigrate dirt poor. HOWEVER...
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Labour's gone mad.
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
I fear that we underestimate at our peril the attraction of "free" everything. Labour can get a hearing for all of these ideas if it can convince a sufficient number of voters that they'll all be paid for by other people, i.e. "the rich" (variously defined as 'billionaires whom we all know have effectively infinite amounts of cash, none of which they deserve to possess and which should therefore be spent on me' or 'everybody in the country with an income at least £1 per year higher than mine.')
Except it is now clear they won't just be paid by other people but by the average voter
The podcast suggests the Tories might consider putting off their manifesto as long as they can to avoid a repeat of last time. Screams of confidence if that is true.
When Thatcher won in 1983 she had few controversial policies in her manifesto, the Tories just hammered Labour on their manifesto, which Kaufman called 'the longest suicide note in history.' Boris seems to be following Mrs T's lead
Heck of a gamble to assume now will play out like 1983. Should the Tories have done the same in 2010 or 2015 because it worked in 1983?
That said, I wouldn't say it has no chance of succeeding. Roll on weekend polls, and post debate polls, to see if it is working.
The Tories went heavy on attack ads on Labour in 2015 like now, less so in 2017. The 2015 Tory manifesto was also far less controversial than the 2017 Tory manifesto
Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Well given Virgin will basically not have a consumer business come 2030, the Commie Cable Company can just seize the infrastructure when it goes bust.
And we all get free fibre Broadand
Poor Richard Branson and Rupert Murdoch make less money how sad never mind.
Jesus. How short sighted.
And everyone else involved in business providing the wealth that runs public services will take note, take cover, or flee.
You really do not get what the knock on impact of confiscation will be do you?
Free broadband's a good idea....
Yeah, if this policy has been announced a decade ago, we’d all have free ADSL now. Assuming you could get the state telco to connect you.
We'd have had FTTP in the 80s if Thatcher hadn't privatised BT.
Anyone who won't be emigrating if Corbyn gets in? Beyond Labour and SNP voters of course
Well, there's the 90% who have no realistic means of emigrating. Plus there's the 9% representing those who could emigrate but who love this country too much to leave.
So that just leaves the 1% who are wealthy and don't like the UK that much, I guess. They can bugger-off as far as I'm concerned.
Just the ones who pay for the NHS then.....
Nope - the ones who stash their money into offshore tax avoidance schemes. They might as well go where their untaxed funds are.
Will the Tories actually announce any policies? I can't think of a single policy off the top of my head.
Does anyone honestly think this election will be Brexit alone?
I reckon most Labour folk would much rather it was about anything else than Brexit. Can't think why.
The Tories will copy the broadband announcement. They have no choice. How do you answer the claim Only 10% of premises in the UK are connected to full-fibre broadband, in Japan it’s 97%? And Is that all it would cost £20B? So two years out of EU pays for it? And surely the benefit to business subtracts from the cost?
The Tory’s should say, you’ve stolen our big idea! We were going to do that too! Don’t allow Labour this differential! Such differentials could sneak majority out of Tory hands.
So that’s one interesting policy.
You are missing the point. It isn't just the nationalization to massively expand the infrastructure. It is the fact they will be the sole provider of internet to the consumer across the country with a one sized fit all plan.
Those comparing it to say a phone line, it isn't the same at all. Different folk have widely different requirements for how big the down and up pipe is, even among the consumer, let alone small businesses.
Anyone who won't be emigrating if Corbyn gets in? Beyond Labour and SNP voters of course
Well, there's the 90% who have no realistic means of emigrating. Plus there's the 9% representing those who could emigrate but who love this country too much to leave.
So that just leaves the 1% who are wealthy and don't like the UK that much, I guess. They can bugger-off as far as I'm concerned.
Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Well given Virgin will basically not have a consumer business come 2030, the Commie Cable Company can just seize the infrastructure when it goes bust.
And we all get free fibre Broadand
Poor Richard Branson and Rupert Murdoch make less money how sad never mind.
Jesus. How short sighted.
And everyone else involved in business providing the wealth that runs public services will take note, take cover, or flee.
You really do not get what the knock on impact of confiscation will be do you?
Free broadband's a good idea....
Yeah, if this policy has been announced a decade ago, we’d all have free ADSL now. Assuming you could get the state telco to connect you.
We'd have had FTTP in the 80s if Thatcher hadn't privatised BT.
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Quite. Eliminate inequality by the simple expedient of making everybody without the means to emigrate dirt poor. HOWEVER...
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Labour's gone mad.
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
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Except it is now clear they won't just be paid by other people but by the average voter
The podcast suggests the Tories might consider putting off their manifesto as long as they can to avoid a repeat of last time. Screams of confidence if that is true.
When Thatcher won in 1983 she had few controversial policies in her manifesto, the Tories just hammered Labour on their manifesto, which Kaufman called 'the longest suicide note in history.' Boris seems to be following Mrs T's lead
Heck of a gamble to assume now will play out like 1983. Should the Tories have done the same in 2010 or 2015 because it worked in 1983?
That said, I wouldn't say it has no chance of succeeding. Roll on weekend polls, and post debate polls, to see if it is working.
The Tories went heavy on attack ads on Labour in 2015 like now, less so in 2017. The 2015 Tory manifesto was also far less controversial than the 2017 Tory manifesto
You saying Milli & Balls had more unfair rotten eggs thrown at them than given to Corbyn?
Yeah, if this policy has been announced a decade ago, we’d all have free ADSL now. Assuming you could get the state telco to connect you.
The Labour plan back from 2010 was 16 Mb/s* for everyone, and mobile and satellite for the last 10% of hard to reach homes. They were going to put a levy of fixed telephone lines** to pay for universal provision.
It all sounds very unambitious and outdated already.
* It says "two megabytes per second by 2012", but I actually wonder if they meant 2 megabits per second, which would be the usual way of talking about network bandwidth.
** Telephone lines, that sounds almost ancient now.
Anyone who won't be emigrating if Corbyn gets in? Beyond Labour and SNP voters of course
Well, there's the 90% who have no realistic means of emigrating. Plus there's the 9% representing those who could emigrate but who love this country too much to leave.
So that just leaves the 1% who are wealthy and don't like the UK that much, I guess. They can bugger-off as far as I'm concerned.
Well I won't just be going, I will be taking my businesses with me.
Cheerio!
Which means less tax and less money to pay for public services.
I imagine the intent is indicate Labour regard broadband as a key utility like water and electricity, which is best kept out of the hands of rapacious private companies who treat you like crap. Whatever the merits or not of nationalising various utlilities, its generally not an unpopular policy, and a lot of people think their broadband service is crap and I'd think won't dislike the suggestion. Plus compared to other cash splurges it doesn't even sound like a lot.
I am pretty sure nationalised companies will be much better at treating you like crap when they have no competition for you to run off to.
A nationalised BT would have a long way to go to treat its customers as atrociously as TalkTalk, Vodafone and Three all do.
You have no idea. They practically invented crap service.
Did they try to rob dead and bereaved people, as TalkTalk do? Did they have store staff saying things like "Dunno. You'll have to ask BT", as staff in Vodafone stores often say in relation to Vodafone? Did they lyingly say they wouldn't assume they had a continuing direct debit authority and then "assume" precisely that, as Vodafone do? I'm not saying state-owned BT weren't crap, but I never had anything like any of that from them. "Utilities work better when they're privatised" is Tory propaganda from the 1980s. At one point the rail sector was receiving five times as much public money after privatisation as when it was state-owned.
I once instructed TalkTalk over the phone to disconnect me and the guy refused, saying I'd lose money getting reconnected with someone else so he wouldn't do it.
Hardly look like they on the verge of kicking out the tories do they
A good result for the remain alliance. it's working
Labour collapsing is good for them is it?
LOL - if you say so
It's not good for Labour. It's good for the Remain alliance. Keep up.
Of which Labour are not part - next
exactly
So this remain alliance - do you think it will top 100 seats then?
Still a bit short wouldn't you say.
Probably not, since the drones will head back to Conservative and Labour like they normally do under the punishing deathgrip of FPTP. But this kind of result is a glimmer of hope. If Lab+Con had taken 85% of the vote then it would be a pretty bad sign. Still, it's best not to overreact to a council byelection.
I would like to nationalize the Daily Telegraph and turn it back into a newspaper again.
Well, it is for sale.....
I wonder if a Russian oligarch will buy it at above market value for sevices rendered to Putin! Russians play a long game, Brexit has uttley disrupted the UK and potentially could see its component parts fracture.
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
If Corbyn got into power, that's precisely what would happen. These fellas believe the Venezuelan economic model is more desirable than ours. So, mass starvation would be preferable to using food banks. Better for everyone to starve than just a few.
Quite. Eliminate inequality by the simple expedient of making everybody without the means to emigrate dirt poor. HOWEVER...
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Labour's gone mad.
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
e at least £1 per year higher than mine.')
Except it is now clear they won't just be paid by other people but by the average voter
eat of last time. Screams of confidence if that is true.
When Thatcher won in 1983 she had few controversial policies in her manifesto, the Tories just hammered Labour on their manifesto, which Kaufman called 'the longest suicide note in history.' Boris seems to be following Mrs T's lead
Heck of a gamble to assume now will play out like 1983. Should the Tories have done the same in 2010 or 2015 because it worked in 1983?
That said, I wouldn't say it has no chance of succeeding. Roll on weekend polls, and post debate polls, to see if it is working.
1983 was defined by the Falklands War the preceeding year. No other GE will ever be like 1983.
How do you explain the fact that the Falklands was mentioned once during the BBC's 1983 election show which lasted for about 12 hours?
They need big swings to make gains of most targets. They never quite make that tipping point.
We had big swings against us to lose them in the first place. If swings can go one way then they can go the other way too. Personally I think it's a lottery to try to predict how many Lib Dem seats there'll be. I think there'll be more than 19 for sure though. If you put a gun to my head and demanded a prediction I'd say between 25 and 45.
They need big swings to make gains of most targets. They never quite make that tipping point.
We had big swings against us to lose them in the first place. If swings can go one way then they can go the other way too. Personally I think it's a lottery to try to predict how many Lib Dem seats there'll be. I think there'll be more than 19 for sure though. If you put a gun to my head and demanded a prediction I'd say between 25 and 45.
If the exit poll says no more than 15 seats for the Lib-Dems will you eat a hat?
If Corbyn got into power, that's precisely what would happen. These fellas believe the Venezuelan economic model is more desirable than ours. So, mass starvation would be preferable to using food banks. Better for everyone to starve than just a few.
Quite. Eliminate inequality by the simple expedient of making everybody without the means to emigrate dirt poor. HOWEVER...
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Labour's gone mad.
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
e at least £1 per year higher than mine.')
Except it is now clear they won't just be paid by other people but by the average voter
eat of last time. Screams of confidence if that is true.
When Thatcher won in 1983 she had few controversial policies in her manifesto, the Tories just hammered Labour on their manifesto, which Kaufman called 'the longest suicide note in history.' Boris seems to be following Mrs T's lead
Heck of a gamble to assume now will play out like 1983. Should the Tories have done the same in 2010 or 2015 because it worked in 1983?
That said, I wouldn't say it has no chance of succeeding. Roll on weekend polls, and post debate polls, to see if it is working.
1983 was defined by the Falklands War the preceeding year. No other GE will ever be like 1983.
How do you explain the fact that the Falklands was mentioned once during the BBC's 1983 election show which lasted for about 12 hours?
You're (probably deliberately) missing the point.
In early 1982 the Tories were polling around 30%, roughly neck and neck with Labour.
After the Falklands the Tories never polled below 40% and occasionally polled over 50%. This continued right through to the 1983 GE.
If Corbyn got into power, that's precisely what would happen. These fellas believe the Venezuelan economic model is more desirable than ours. So, mass starvation would be preferable to using food banks. Better for everyone to starve than just a few.
Quite. Eliminate inequality by the simple expedient of making everybody without the means to emigrate dirt poor. HOWEVER...
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Labour's gone mad.
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
e at least £1 per year higher than mine.')
Except it is now clear they won't just be paid by other people but by the average voter
The Falklands war was a genuine black swan event that cuased a seismic political shift.
The last pre Falklands Gallup poll there had the Tories on 35%, the Alliance on 33% and Labour on 30%, so the main movement was Alliance to the Tories not Labour to the Tories given the final result of Tories 42%, Labour 28%, Alliance 25%
Leavers, 2019/11/14, am: "Donald Tusk advocates stopping Brexit if Boris unelected! Outrageous interference in our sovereign affairs! Vote Conservative!"
Leavers, 2019/11/14, pm: "Alexander Downer advises Australia will curb datasharing with UK if Corbyn elected! What a wise comment! Vote Conservative!"
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Labour's gone mad.
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
e at least £1 per year higher than mine.')
Except it is now clear they won't just be paid by other people but by the average voter
The Falklands war was a genuine black swan event that cuased a seismic political shift.
The last pre Falklands Gallup poll there had the Tories on 35%, the Alliance on 33% and Labour on 30%, so the main movement was Alliance to the Tories not Labour to the Tories given the final result of Tories 42%, Labour 28%, Alliance 25%
Whatever.
My point was it was the Falklands that changed the polling dynamics for the 1983 GE.
Will the Tories actually announce any policies? I can't think of a single policy off the top of my head.
Does anyone honestly think this election will be Brexit alone?
I reckon most Labour folk would much rather it was about anything else than Brexit. Can't think why.
The Tories will copy the broadband announcement. They have no choice. How do you answer the claim Only 10% of premises in the UK are connected to full-fibre broadband, in Japan it’s 97%? And Is that all it would cost £20B? So two years out of EU pays for it? And surely the benefit to business subtracts from the cost?
The Tory’s should say, you’ve stolen our big idea! We were going to do that too! Don’t allow Labour this differential! Such differentials could sneak majority out of Tory hands.
So that’s one interesting policy.
You are missing the point. It isn't just the nationalization to massively expand the infrastructure. It is the fact they will be the sole provider of internet to the consumer across the country with a one sized fit all plan.
Those comparing it to say a phone line, it isn't the same at all. Different folk have widely different requirements for how big the down and up pipe is, even among the consumer, let alone small businesses.
Yeah I missed the point. So it’s like why Warren will lose to Trump with her socialised healthcare plan because voters she needs like the private plans they have and don’t want to give them up? This Labour gimmick sinks without trace in next few days because people like options and choice with their money power?
Turn away for a few hours, and when you come back you find Labour are promising another few tens of billions on another completely bonkers scheme. They are not even pretending to be sane.
It's a novel approach. Perhaps it will work. (Of course, not 'work' as in 'prove workable', but 'work' as in con voters for a few weeks.)
The Falklands war was a genuine black swan event that cuased a seismic political shift.
The last pre Falklands Gallup poll there had the Tories on 35%, the Alliance on 33% and Labour on 30%, so the main movement was Alliance to the Tories not Labour to the Tories given the final result of Tories 42%, Labour 28%, Alliance 25%
I don’t like it when you do this HY, this lump went from them to them, surely truth is more of a roundabout effect. I remember 83 very clearly, working class districts all around me went Thatcher. What were the headline policies in that manifesto, right to buy?
The Falklands war was a genuine black swan event that cuased a seismic political shift.
The last pre Falklands Gallup poll there had the Tories on 35%, the Alliance on 33% and Labour on 30%, so the main movement was Alliance to the Tories not Labour to the Tories given the final result of Tories 42%, Labour 28%, Alliance 25%
I don’t like it when you do this HY, this lump went from them to them, surely truth is more of a roundabout effect. I remember 83 very clearly, working class districts all around me went Thatcher. What were the headline policies in that manifesto, right to buy?
The main issue in 1983 was Foot's unfitness to be PM, despite being a nice man personally.
Turn away for a few hours, and when you come back you find Labour are promising another few tens of billions on another completely bonkers scheme. They are not even pretending to be sane.
It's a novel approach. Perhaps it will work. (Of course, not 'work' as in 'prove workable', but 'work' as in con voters for a few weeks.)
2017 showed that a very large percentage of the electorate like the idea of free money, so it makes sense for Labour to try it again.
Leavers, 2019/11/14, am: "Donald Tusk advocates stopping Brexit if Boris unelected! Outrageous interference in our sovereign affairs! Vote Conservative!"
Leavers, 2019/11/14, pm: "Alexander Downer advises Australia will curb datasharing with UK if Corbyn elected! What a wise comment! Vote Conservative!"
Can anyone guess which document this is extracted from?
"Telecommunications
A national cable system will make possible a wide range of new telecommunications services, greater variety in the provision of television, and a major stimulus to British technology and industry. But it must be under firm public control. A publicly-owned British Telecommunications will thus be given the sole responsibility to create a national, broadband network (including Mercury, the new privately-owned telecommunications system for business), which integrates telecommunications and broadcasting."
Turn away for a few hours, and when you come back you find Labour are promising another few tens of billions on another completely bonkers scheme. They are not even pretending to be sane.
It's a novel approach. Perhaps it will work. (Of course, not 'work' as in 'prove workable', but 'work' as in con voters for a few weeks.)
2017 showed that a very large percentage of the electorate like the idea of free money, so it makes sense for Labour to try it again.
That's probably their reasoning, but it makes two assumptions:
1. That the Conservatives will let them get away with it unchallenged, as May did in 2017, and 2. That Labour won't actually ever get into a position where they might have to attempt to deliver a modicum of the fantasy.
Admittedly 2 is probably fairly safe, but 1 isn't.
Can anyone guess which document this is extracted from?
"Telecommunications
A national cable system will make possible a wide range of new telecommunications services, greater variety in the provision of television, and a major stimulus to British technology and industry. But it must be under firm public control. A publicly-owned British Telecommunications will thus be given the sole responsibility to create a national, broadband network (including Mercury, the new privately-owned telecommunications system for business), which integrates telecommunications and broadcasting."
The Falklands war was a genuine black swan event that cuased a seismic political shift.
The last pre Falklands Gallup poll there had the Tories on 35%, the Alliance on 33% and Labour on 30%, so the main movement was Alliance to the Tories not Labour to the Tories given the final result of Tories 42%, Labour 28%, Alliance 25%
I don’t like it when you do this HY, this lump went from them to them, surely truth is more of a roundabout effect. I remember 83 very clearly, working class districts all around me went Thatcher. What were the headline policies in that manifesto, right to buy?
The main issue in 1983 was Foot's unfitness to be PM, despite being a nice man personally.
There was a lot going on. The Tory’s were excellent at tapping into the aspirations of the working class. What followed 83 was working class people buying their council house knocked down prices, a few Gas shares Too and started calling themselves middle class. And very much keeping the mindset to 2016 when they voted brexit.
Can anyone guess which document this is extracted from?
"Telecommunications
A national cable system will make possible a wide range of new telecommunications services, greater variety in the provision of television, and a major stimulus to British technology and industry. But it must be under firm public control. A publicly-owned British Telecommunications will thus be given the sole responsibility to create a national, broadband network (including Mercury, the new privately-owned telecommunications system for business), which integrates telecommunications and broadcasting."
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I also hope for an SNP landslide.
I don’t think you realise what is about to hit you. Still. If you want to imagine it’s 2017 then go ahead. It’ll keep you sane until the inevitable happens.
Assuming you could get the state telco to connect you.
Just a thought.
The Tory’s should say, you’ve stolen our big idea! We were going to do that too! Don’t allow Labour this differential! Such differentials could sneak majority out of Tory hands.
So that’s one interesting policy.
Brexit potentially breaking up the union = bad
The Union breaking up if it helps Labour grab power = good?
Riiiight
Those comparing it to say a phone line, it isn't the same at all. Different folk have widely different requirements for how big the down and up pipe is, even among the consumer, let alone small businesses.
Free Broadband with fibre speed coming to Wales
Still a bit short wouldn't you say.
It's hard to keep up on here.
It all sounds very unambitious and outdated already.
* It says "two megabytes per second by 2012", but I actually wonder if they meant 2 megabits per second, which would be the usual way of talking about network bandwidth.
** Telephone lines, that sounds almost ancient now.
Jason, your username is shit
CON: 367 (+4), 38.2% (-1.0)
LAB: 195 (+6), 28.2% (+0.4)
SNP: 46 (-4), 3.4% (+0.1)
LDM: 19 (-6), 15.8% (-0.1)
LibDems on 19???
"Why would I vote Tory for spending pledges when I can have the real thing with Labour".
This election is backfiring.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/jul/20/bt-bills-death-charges
Everything you list BT probably invented.
Still, it's best not to overreact to a council byelection.
Funny how Labour spend a week trying to trash the Tory £1.2tn message, then promptly introduce an additional £30bn pledge.
They must reckon anyone who's going to vote for them can't remember state run telephone services.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7680127/Australia-curb-intelligence-sharing-Britain-Jeremy-Corbyn-PM-warns-ex-envoy.html?fbclid=IwAR2kk6SlDDqcFtBNrEsTtEBdbfeoWPdsT2WS6Mi4Qkg98FUnqMuMowJ7DdI
A month out and it's a 10 point gap. The manifesto is what closed the gap last time, it may well happen again.
Two weeks - and we will know where we stand.
Does it come with a free owl?
They say what goes around comes around and I expect we will have to endure a spell of proper socialist government before much longer.
Don't think it'll be this election but by 2030 we could see a true left wing government for the first time since the 1970s IMO.
https://www.transparify.org/
Con started falling when they unleashed their manifesto of horrors on the electorate.
In early 1982 the Tories were polling around 30%, roughly neck and neck with Labour.
After the Falklands the Tories never polled below 40% and occasionally polled over 50%. This continued right through to the 1983 GE.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_1983_United_Kingdom_general_election#1982
The Falklands war was a genuine black swan event that cuased a seismic political shift.
Their leaflets no more honest than the ones you’ve been delivering all day.
Leavers, 2019/11/14, pm: "Alexander Downer advises Australia will curb datasharing with UK if Corbyn elected! What a wise comment! Vote Conservative!"
My point was it was the Falklands that changed the polling dynamics for the 1983 GE.
In Dunfermline, not so much.
https://twitter.com/C_CSmith1/status/1195133258268364806?s=20
https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1195134233087553541
It's a novel approach. Perhaps it will work. (Of course, not 'work' as in 'prove workable', but 'work' as in con voters for a few weeks.)
https://twitter.com/C_CSmith1/status/1195135383123767297?s=20
Can anyone guess which document this is extracted from?
"Telecommunications
A national cable system will make possible a wide range of new telecommunications services, greater variety in the provision of television, and a major stimulus to British technology and industry. But it must be under firm public control. A publicly-owned British Telecommunications will thus be given the sole responsibility to create a national, broadband network (including Mercury, the new privately-owned telecommunications system for business), which integrates telecommunications and broadcasting."
http://www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos/1983/1983-labour-manifesto.shtml
1. That the Conservatives will let them get away with it unchallenged, as May did in 2017, and
2. That Labour won't actually ever get into a position where they might have to attempt to deliver a modicum of the fantasy.
Admittedly 2 is probably fairly safe, but 1 isn't.
https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1195138621692616704
Getting trounced in local elections in 2017 campaign is a lucky omen for them. Like not shaving till the cup run comes to an end etc.
It clearly has nothing to do with what will happen on Dec 12 that is different as it’s 600 or so 2 horse races with tactical voting.