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    England are making it look easy in the footy.
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    El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 3,870
    Including the fabulous David "Church of the Militant Elvis" Bishop. Definitely my favourite novelty candidate.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    England = Leicester

    Montenegro = Southampton
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,267

    EU is launching legal action against the government for failing to nominate a commissioner during the GE campaign.

    I am sure boris isnt exactly unhappy about it. Imagine if they had, it would be politically toxic to do so and the EU are idiots for not just holding fire and instead giving Boris something to bang on about.

    You sometimes wonder whether the EU has a requirement that all its officials must have the intellectual capacity of a boiled cabbage.

    What utter fuckwit thought this was a smart thing to say?

    the EU rejected the explanation given by the UK, stating that “a member state may not invoke provisions prevailing in its domestic legal system to justify failure to observe obligations arising under union law”.

    Just confirm every Leaver prejudice going and undermine every last Remainer argument at the exact moment we’re voting on whether or not to enact the referendum result.

    Honestly, are we quite sure Boris Johnson didn’t bribe the Commission to write this letter?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125

    Including the fabulous David "Church of the Militant Elvis" Bishop. Definitely my favourite novelty candidate.
    Yes, I thought at one point he had given up - The Elvis Bus Pass Party was his I think?
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    ydoethur said:

    EU is launching legal action against the government for failing to nominate a commissioner during the GE campaign.

    I am sure boris isnt exactly unhappy about it. Imagine if they had, it would be politically toxic to do so and the EU are idiots for not just holding fire and instead giving Boris something to bang on about.

    You sometimes wonder whether the EU has a requirement that all its officials must have the intellectual capacity of a boiled cabbage.

    What utter fuckwit thought this was a smart thing to say?

    the EU rejected the explanation given by the UK, stating that “a member state may not invoke provisions prevailing in its domestic legal system to justify failure to observe obligations arising under union law”.

    Just confirm every Leaver prejudice going and undermine every last Remainer argument at the exact moment we’re voting on whether or not to enact the referendum result.

    Honestly, are we quite sure Boris Johnson didn’t bribe the Commission to write this letter?
    Coming to a Tory campaign leaflet near you....
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,780
    ydoethur said:

    EU is launching legal action against the government for failing to nominate a commissioner during the GE campaign.

    I am sure boris isnt exactly unhappy about it. Imagine if they had, it would be politically toxic to do so and the EU are idiots for not just holding fire and instead giving Boris something to bang on about.

    You sometimes wonder whether the EU has a requirement that all its officials must have the intellectual capacity of a boiled cabbage.

    What utter fuckwit thought this was a smart thing to say?

    the EU rejected the explanation given by the UK, stating that “a member state may not invoke provisions prevailing in its domestic legal system to justify failure to observe obligations arising under union law”.

    Just confirm every Leaver prejudice going and undermine every last Remainer argument at the exact moment we’re voting on whether or not to enact the referendum result.

    Honestly, are we quite sure Boris Johnson didn’t bribe the Commission to write this letter?
    A more likely explanation perhaps is just that the big bureaucratic machine acts like a bureaucratic machine.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,267
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    EU is launching legal action against the government for failing to nominate a commissioner during the GE campaign.

    I am sure boris isnt exactly unhappy about it. Imagine if they had, it would be politically toxic to do so and the EU are idiots for not just holding fire and instead giving Boris something to bang on about.

    You sometimes wonder whether the EU has a requirement that all its officials must have the intellectual capacity of a boiled cabbage.

    What utter fuckwit thought this was a smart thing to say?

    the EU rejected the explanation given by the UK, stating that “a member state may not invoke provisions prevailing in its domestic legal system to justify failure to observe obligations arising under union law”.

    Just confirm every Leaver prejudice going and undermine every last Remainer argument at the exact moment we’re voting on whether or not to enact the referendum result.

    Honestly, are we quite sure Boris Johnson didn’t bribe the Commission to write this letter?
    A more likely explanation perhaps is just that the big bureaucratic machine acts like a bureaucratic machine.
    Ummm...

    No. Sorry, this is one even somebody as thick as Richard Burgon would have spotted.
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    England are making it look easy in the footy.

    Well it was never going to be difficult was it?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,780
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    EU is launching legal action against the government for failing to nominate a commissioner during the GE campaign.

    I am sure boris isnt exactly unhappy about it. Imagine if they had, it would be politically toxic to do so and the EU are idiots for not just holding fire and instead giving Boris something to bang on about.

    You sometimes wonder whether the EU has a requirement that all its officials must have the intellectual capacity of a boiled cabbage.

    What utter fuckwit thought this was a smart thing to say?

    the EU rejected the explanation given by the UK, stating that “a member state may not invoke provisions prevailing in its domestic legal system to justify failure to observe obligations arising under union law”.

    Just confirm every Leaver prejudice going and undermine every last Remainer argument at the exact moment we’re voting on whether or not to enact the referendum result.

    Honestly, are we quite sure Boris Johnson didn’t bribe the Commission to write this letter?
    A more likely explanation perhaps is just that the big bureaucratic machine acts like a bureaucratic machine.
    Ummm...

    No. Sorry, this is one even somebody as thick as Richard Burgon would have spotted.
    I didn't say they didn't spot it.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited November 2019
    nichomar said:

    England are making it look easy in the footy.

    Well it was never going to be difficult was it?
    We forget it wasnt that long ago when england used to make every game look difficult, excluding perhaps San Marino.

    With the likes of Sancho, Sterling, Hudson-Odi, Rashford etc etc etc England have so many exciting players.
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    England = Tories
    Montenegro = Socialists
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    VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,435
    Johnson had a plenty of time to appoint an EU commissioner before purdah commenced.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    We want ten! We want ten! We want ten!.....
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,267
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    EU is launching legal action against the government for failing to nominate a commissioner during the GE campaign.

    I am sure boris isnt exactly unhappy about it. Imagine if they had, it would be politically toxic to do so and the EU are idiots for not just holding fire and instead giving Boris something to bang on about.

    You sometimes wonder whether the EU has a requirement that all its officials must have the intellectual capacity of a boiled cabbage.

    What utter fuckwit thought this was a smart thing to say?

    the EU rejected the explanation given by the UK, stating that “a member state may not invoke provisions prevailing in its domestic legal system to justify failure to observe obligations arising under union law”.

    Just confirm every Leaver prejudice going and undermine every last Remainer argument at the exact moment we’re voting on whether or not to enact the referendum result.

    Honestly, are we quite sure Boris Johnson didn’t bribe the Commission to write this letter?
    A more likely explanation perhaps is just that the big bureaucratic machine acts like a bureaucratic machine.
    Ummm...

    No. Sorry, this is one even somebody as thick as Richard Burgon would have spotted.
    I didn't say they didn't spot it.
    Are you suggesting they deliberately sent a letter that could be interpreted to mean that EU law trumps everything else, effectively saying we are no longer a sovereign state?

    If so, poor old Donald Tusk has just been kneecapped instead (although given he’s leaving I doubt if he cares).
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,780

    We want ten! We want ten! We want ten!.....

    Well ten is not a very large majority, but I'm sure the Tories would take it....
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,267
    edited November 2019

    Johnson had a plenty of time to appoint an EU commissioner before purdah commenced.

    Why would he, when he’s just been given a political gift like this for not doing so?

    Honestly, there are times when I wonder why I voted remain. The EU really do have an extraordinary talent for being total muppets.
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    A passing thought. On 13/12 60% of the UK voters will wake up and say ‘ I didn’t vote for that’ but they will have to suck it up and get on with it. Bloody ridiculous, anti democratic, and the reason the UK is in the state it’s in.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,780
    edited November 2019
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    EU is launching legal action against the government for failing to nominate a commissioner during the GE campaign.

    I am sure boris isnt exactly unhappy about it. Imagine if they had, it would be politically toxic to do so and the EU are idiots for not just holding fire and instead giving Boris something to bang on about.

    You sometimes wonder whether the EU has a requirement that all its officials must have the intellectual capacity of a boiled cabbage.

    What utter fuckwit thought this was a smart thing to say?

    the EU rejected the explanation given by the UK, stating that “a member state may not invoke provisions prevailing in its domestic legal system to justify failure to observe obligations arising under union law”.

    Just confirm every Leaver prejudice going and undermine every last Remainer argument at the exact moment we’re voting on whether or not to enact the referendum result.

    Honestly, are we quite sure Boris Johnson didn’t bribe the Commission to write this letter?
    A more likely explanation perhaps is just that the big bureaucratic machine acts like a bureaucratic machine.
    Ummm...

    No. Sorry, this is one even somebody as thick as Richard Burgon would have spotted.
    I didn't say they didn't spot it.
    Are you suggesting they deliberately sent a letter that could be interpreted to mean that EU law trumps everything else, effectively saying we are no longer a sovereign state?

    If so, poor old Donald Tusk has just been kneecapped instead (although given he’s leaving I doubt if he cares).
    I'm suggesting the committment to bureaucracy may be akin to resisting the tides, in certain areas. I'm sure some of the leaders with more political antennae might wince at how it was put, but that the Commission machine definitely believes that.
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391

    Johnson had a plenty of time to appoint an EU commissioner before purdah commenced.

    He'd need to be monumentally stupid to have done so
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    ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503
    nichomar said:

    A passing thought. On 13/12 60% of the UK voters will wake up and say ‘ I didn’t vote for that’ but they will have to suck it up and get on with it. Bloody ridiculous, anti democratic, and the reason the UK is in the state it’s in.

    'Twas ever thus.
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    ydoethur said:

    Johnson had a plenty of time to appoint an EU commissioner before purdah commenced.

    Why would he, when he’s just been given a political gift like this for not doing so?

    Honestly, there are times when I wonder why I voted remain. The EU really do have an extraordinary talent for being total muppets.
    There are the other 27 EU member states to consider. The Commission have to demonstrate to them that they won't let the UK mess up the EU institutions.
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    blueblueblueblue Posts: 875
    nichomar said:

    A passing thought. On 13/12 60% of the UK voters will wake up and say ‘ I didn’t vote for that’ but they will have to suck it up and get on with it. Bloody ridiculous, anti democratic, and the reason the UK is in the state it’s in.

    You seem not to understand that democracy is a mechanism for making decisions. That may be why you're a Lib Dem :smile:
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    Montenegro's chances of winning this game are still better than Labour getting most seats....
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Jason said:

    Watching Corbyn on the BBC, he looks utterly exhausted, and possibly ill. There's just nothing there. Just how many times can you keep saying you have no opinion on the major issues of the day if you want to be a PM? I'm beginning to see where others are coming from when they say Corbyn doesn't really want this.

    So what does he want? To re-model the Labour party in his own image - and send them into oblivion?

    He's irritatingly non committal but to say he looks ill is just your hope and better shared with Guido's readers than those on here.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    Montenegro's chances of winning this game are still better than Labour getting most seats....

    LMAO

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    nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    The EU is a rules based organization. So big deal the EU is enforcing the rules .
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391

    ydoethur said:

    Johnson had a plenty of time to appoint an EU commissioner before purdah commenced.

    Why would he, when he’s just been given a political gift like this for not doing so?

    Honestly, there are times when I wonder why I voted remain. The EU really do have an extraordinary talent for being total muppets.
    There are the other 27 EU member states to consider. The Commission have to demonstrate to them that they won't let the UK mess up the EU institutions.
    Indeed. They'll send us a sternly worded letter.
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    Montenegro's chances of winning this game are still better than Labour getting most seats....

    ROFLMAO!
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    Noo said:

    Knowing what a monumental idiot that guy is, I wonder whether it's a cunning way to gather more votes. Like Ruth Davidson's Team not mentioning the Conservatives or Ian Murray for Morningside not mentioning his party either.
    People on twitter are wondering whether he has to change his name by deed poll to "Samuel Sammy" to be elected now. I mean, it's not his name, as far as the paperwork says it's not him is it?

    Anyone know what the precedent is for this?
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    England = Leicester

    Montenegro = Southampton

    Harsh, Montengro are nowhere near as bad as Southampton.
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    nico67 said:

    The EU is a rules based organization. So big deal the EU is enforcing the rules .

    It is? How?

    Or is it just sending snooty letters that are frankly embarrassing for the EU.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    edited November 2019
    Roger said:

    Jason said:

    Watching Corbyn on the BBC, he looks utterly exhausted, and possibly ill. There's just nothing there. Just how many times can you keep saying you have no opinion on the major issues of the day if you want to be a PM? I'm beginning to see where others are coming from when they say Corbyn doesn't really want this.

    So what does he want? To re-model the Labour party in his own image - and send them into oblivion?

    He's irritatingly non committal but to say he looks ill is just your hope and better shared with Guido's readers than those on here.
    I can't imagine the Tories would want Corbyn stepping down mid-campaign for a serious health reason. Not with McDonnell filling his shoes.
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391
    nico67 said:

    The EU is a rules based organization. So big deal the EU is enforcing the rules .

    Lol. The EU follows the rules until it's inconvenient and they need to bail things out right now whatever the rules say.

    It's certainly fair to say it's a Napoleonic code based organisation, rather than a common law organisation, which is why it is so often incapable of reaching the common sense outcome.
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    Montenegro's chances of winning this game are still better than Labour getting most seats....

    I am glad you are so confident....i am bricking that boris does something crazy or some new scandal crops up, while labour trend continues. Canada is bloody cold this time of year.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    England = Tories
    Montenegro = Socialists

    Montenegro's chances of winning this game are still better than Labour getting most seats....

    “The hen is the wisest of all the animal creation, because she never cackles until the egg is laid.” - Abraham Lincoln
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    nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    There are 8 council election seats up for grabs tonight . 3 in England , 3 in Scotland and 2 in Wales .
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    ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503

    Montenegro's chances of winning this game are still better than Labour getting most seats....

    I am glad you are so confident....i am bricking that boris does something crazy or some new scandal crops up, while labour trend continues. Canada is bloody cold this time of year.
    Marvellous landscapes though.
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    England = Tories
    Montenegro = Socialists

    Montenegro's chances of winning this game are still better than Labour getting most seats....

    “The hen is the wisest of all the animal creation, because she never cackles until the egg is laid.” - Abraham Lincoln
    I know, I'm trying so hard not to be cocky. I'm worried about history repeating itself and Labour losing like in 2017 rather than losing like we expect.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,267
    edited November 2019
    nico67 said:

    The EU is a rules based organization. So big deal the EU is enforcing the rules .

    Out of character for them, given how frequently they break them when it suits them, e.g. over welfare standards in Danish agriculture or French public health emergencies, or Germany joining the Euro.

    They really have made fools of themselves at the worst imaginable moment.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    Montenegro's chances of winning this game are still better than Labour getting most seats....

    I am glad you are so confident....i am bricking that boris does something crazy or some new scandal crops up, while labour trend continues. Canada is bloody cold this time of year.
    Contemplating escape in the event of the Corbocalypse? I don't blame you.

    Of course, most of us don't have the option.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    So, polls? :)
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,780
    nico67 said:

    The EU is a rules based organization. So big deal the EU is enforcing the rules .

    I don't think that's the issue, it's whether in doing so it helps Boris or not.
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Could be a 10% swing to CORBYNISTA for Montenegro in the second half!
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    England = Leicester

    Montenegro = Southampton

    Montenegro's chances of winning this game are still better than Labour getting most seats....

    After your world cup final performance of

    first half = Theresa May

    second half = Boris

    are you really going there?

    Proverbs 16:18, BOY I SAID PROVERBS 16:18!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    How can there be no added time with 5 goals ?!
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,575
    edited November 2019
    That's interesting - some divergent personality types there.

    Green Party candidate expresses support for NHS but approves of demos that stop cancer patients being able to get their treatment, and is a former denizen of wife swap. Interesting. :smiley:

    I have never seen a (different) candidate with an ASBO keeping them away from the UK coastline before, certainly from the landward side.

    Ashfield is far more boring. Though we do have a LibDem now, who may even reach 1000 votes.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,267

    Roger said:

    Jason said:

    Watching Corbyn on the BBC, he looks utterly exhausted, and possibly ill. There's just nothing there. Just how many times can you keep saying you have no opinion on the major issues of the day if you want to be a PM? I'm beginning to see where others are coming from when they say Corbyn doesn't really want this.

    So what does he want? To re-model the Labour party in his own image - and send them into oblivion?

    He's irritatingly non committal but to say he looks ill is just your hope and better shared with Guido's readers than those on here.
    I can't imagine the Tories would want Corbyn stepping down mid-campaign for a serious health reason. Not with McDonnell filling his shoes.
    I would have assumed if Corbyn was removed mid-campaign Long-Bailey would be his more likely emergency replacement if the NEC have the final say.
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    nichomar said:

    A passing thought. On 13/12 60% of the UK voters will wake up and say ‘ I didn’t vote for that’ but they will have to suck it up and get on with it. Bloody ridiculous, anti democratic, and the reason the UK is in the state it’s in.

    And yet that is the case in just about every democracy in the world. It is no better - and indeed often far worse - in countries with other electoral systems where coalitions get together and use the need to forma stable government as the excuse to throw out all their promises to the electorate. Just as the Lib Dems did in coalition from 2010.
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391
    Pulpstar said:

    How can there be no added time with 5 goals ?!

    Sadist
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,780
    Good to get another podcast, I do think Keiran is quite good at them. I like Katy Balls describing Farage's action as 'self partnering' with the Tories.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,267
    MattW said:

    That's interesting - some divergent personality types there.

    Green Party candidate expresses support for NHS but approves of demos that stop cancer patients being able to get their treatment, and is a former denizen of wife swap. Interesting. :smiley:

    Ashfield is far more boring. Though we do have a LibDem now, who may even reach 1000 votes.
    Can we borrow him/her in Cannock Chase please?

    We’ve got three confirmed candidates - one for the anti-Semites, one for the anti-Sanities and one for the Greasy Johnsonites.

    It’s a horrible choice.
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    nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    The EU is a rules based organization. So big deal the EU is enforcing the rules .

    Out of character for them, given how frequently they break them when it suits them, e.g. over welfare standards in Danish agriculture or French public health emergencies, or Germany joining the Euro.

    They really have made fools of themselves at the worst imaginable moment.
    The commission needs 28 whilst the UK is in . So asking the UK to nominate one is hardly acting foolishly . Anyway I’m sure this has all been gamed by Cummings and co to concoct some drama . Frankly I could care less , my dual nationality is being processed I can escape if need be. I’m happy to see the deal go through as it gives me a bit more time . The EU are done with trying to placate the UK and who can blame them .
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    The only thing worse than montenegro performance, ITV analysts...
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,477
    edited November 2019
    kle4 said:

    Good to get another podcast, I do think Keiran is quite good at them. I like Katy Balls describing Farage's action as 'self partnering' with the Tories.

    Goddamnit that was one of the gags in my Sunday piece.

    That and Onan was all about withdrawal/pulling out and displeasing God.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Floater said:

    Montenegro's chances of winning this game are still better than Labour getting most seats....

    LMAO

    You must be a comedians dream
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391
    nico67 said:

    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    The EU is a rules based organization. So big deal the EU is enforcing the rules .

    Out of character for them, given how frequently they break them when it suits them, e.g. over welfare standards in Danish agriculture or French public health emergencies, or Germany joining the Euro.

    They really have made fools of themselves at the worst imaginable moment.
    The commission needs 28 whilst the UK is in . So asking the UK to nominate one is hardly acting foolishly . Anyway I’m sure this has all been gamed by Cummings and co to concoct some drama . Frankly I could care less , my dual nationality is being processed I can escape if need be. I’m happy to see the deal go through as it gives me a bit more time . The EU are done with trying to placate the UK and who can blame them .
    'Needs' - or if they were remotely capable of pragmatism they'd admit they don't need one from the UK to be able to function.

    Frankly everybody wins from this apart from people trying to defend the EU in this country.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,267
    edited November 2019
    nico67 said:

    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    The EU is a rules based organization. So big deal the EU is enforcing the rules .

    Out of character for them, given how frequently they break them when it suits them, e.g. over welfare standards in Danish agriculture or French public health emergencies, or Germany joining the Euro.

    They really have made fools of themselves at the worst imaginable moment.
    The commission needs 28 whilst the UK is in . So asking the UK to nominate one is hardly acting foolishly . Anyway I’m sure this has all been gamed by Cummings and co to concoct some drama . Frankly I could care less , my dual nationality is being processed I can escape if need be. I’m happy to see the deal go through as it gives me a bit more time . The EU are done with trying to placate the UK and who can blame them .
    Asking the UK to nominate a commissioner is fine.

    Saying that EU law always trumps national constitutional law is not fine.

    Saying it when an election is being fought largely on that issue at a moment when the EU itself is facing rupture is so far from fine it can see the curvature of the universe.

    This is really a case where some third-rate civil servant who got the job because they performed sexual favours for the right people should have STFU or better yet, found they didn’t have a stamp.
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    El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 3,870
    I've been idly passing time updating the Google Sheet for Statements of Persons Nominated:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/162fAv5xiV0XQjc5ii2eVYgZlFzvDP9KvL3VWvIe0bWo/edit#gid=0

    It's a good reminder of how terrible most district council website are. Also, that some Returning Officers can't be bothered to get their act in gear and post up their SoPNs promptly on one of the most important dates every five two years. Yes, Dudley and Sutton, I do mean you.
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    nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    The EU is a rules based organization. So big deal the EU is enforcing the rules .

    I don't think that's the issue, it's whether in doing so it helps Boris or not.
    Perhaps they are trying to help him , most of the EU just want rid of the UK now . They don’t need years more drama or perhaps they just want to have 28 commissioners.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,575
    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    That's interesting - some divergent personality types there.

    Green Party candidate expresses support for NHS but approves of demos that stop cancer patients being able to get their treatment, and is a former denizen of wife swap. Interesting. :smiley:

    Ashfield is far more boring. Though we do have a LibDem now, who may even reach 1000 votes.
    Can we borrow him/her in Cannock Chase please?

    We’ve got three confirmed candidates - one for the anti-Semites, one for the anti-Sanities and one for the Greasy Johnsonites.

    It’s a horrible choice.
    I believe that Heidi Wotsit is available.

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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,955
    edited November 2019
    Evening folks

    a point to ponder about University seats based on some news this evening.

    When I was at Uni decades ago, the last week before the end of term was kind of a wind down week with nothing much going on. A lot of people used to take off early. Now although students these days seem rather more dedicated to their courses than in my day, I still think we will see this impacting the December 12th election date given the last day of term for most universities is Friday 13th December.

    What I have heard this evening is that lecturers and staff at 60 universities plan on striking from 25th November to 4th December and then just coming back for the last week. If this means most lectures are cancelled I wonder if this will result in far more students heading home earlier than planned and so have a greater impact on the university seats?

    Thoughts?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited November 2019

    Evening folks

    a point to ponder about University seats based on some news this evening.

    When I was at Uni decades ago, the last week before the end of time was kind of a wind sown week with nothing much going on. A lot of people used to take of early. Now although students these days seem rather more dedicated to their courses tan in my day, I still think we will see this impacting the December 12th election date given the last day of term for most universities is Friday 13th December.

    What I have heard this evening is that lecturers and staff at 60 universities plan on striking from 25th November to 4th December and then just coming back for the last week. If this means most lectures are cancelled I wonder if this will result in far more students heading home earlier than planned and so have a greater impact on the university seats?

    Thoughts?

    You are correct about the scheduled strike, but why wouldn't there be lectures in the last week of term (especially after a week has been lost).
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,267

    Evening folks

    a point to ponder about University seats based on some news this evening.

    When I was at Uni decades ago, the last week before the end of time was kind of a wind sown week with nothing much going on. A lot of people used to take of early. Now although students these days seem rather more dedicated to their courses tan in my day, I still think we will see this impacting the December 12th election date given the last day of term for most universities is Friday 13th December.

    What I have heard this evening is that lecturers and staff at 60 universities plan on striking from 25th November to 4th December and then just coming back for the last week. If this means most lectures are cancelled I wonder if this will result in far more students heading home earlier than planned and so have a greater impact on the university seats?

    Thoughts?

    I would have thought it would have made them more likely to stay on, because it makes the lectures in that last week much more important for catching up. Or they might go home for 10 days during the strike and be back for polling day itself.

    I also wonder (contradictorily) how solid the strike will be. The UCU is not known as the Useless C***s Union for nothing. When they struck during my time as a lecturer they struggled to hit 50% involvement. So I think most will have at least some lectures still going on.
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    Evening folks

    a point to ponder about University seats based on some news this evening.

    When I was at Uni decades ago, the last week before the end of time was kind of a wind sown week with nothing much going on. A lot of people used to take of early. Now although students these days seem rather more dedicated to their courses tan in my day, I still think we will see this impacting the December 12th election date given the last day of term for most universities is Friday 13th December.

    What I have heard this evening is that lecturers and staff at 60 universities plan on striking from 25th November to 4th December and then just coming back for the last week. If this means most lectures are cancelled I wonder if this will result in far more students heading home earlier than planned and so have a greater impact on the university seats?

    Thoughts?

    You are correct about the scheduled strike, but why wouldn't there be lectures in the last week of term?
    As I said I am just remembering what it was like in the lead up to Christmas when I was at Uni. Very little of any value was done in that week. But then we were geologists and always looking for an excuse for a piss up. :)
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,780
    nico67 said:

    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    The EU is a rules based organization. So big deal the EU is enforcing the rules .

    I don't think that's the issue, it's whether in doing so it helps Boris or not.
    Perhaps they are trying to help him , most of the EU just want rid of the UK now . They don’t need years more drama or perhaps they just want to have 28 commissioners.
    I think you're still focusing on the wrong point, as it doesn't matter whether they want to help him, or really are just following the rules. Their motivation is irrelevant.
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,169
    "the last week before the end of time was kind of a wind sown week . . "
    begins a dystopian novel
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,267

    Evening folks

    a point to ponder about University seats based on some news this evening.

    When I was at Uni decades ago, the last week before the end of time was kind of a wind sown week with nothing much going on. A lot of people used to take of early. Now although students these days seem rather more dedicated to their courses tan in my day, I still think we will see this impacting the December 12th election date given the last day of term for most universities is Friday 13th December.

    What I have heard this evening is that lecturers and staff at 60 universities plan on striking from 25th November to 4th December and then just coming back for the last week. If this means most lectures are cancelled I wonder if this will result in far more students heading home earlier than planned and so have a greater impact on the university seats?

    Thoughts?

    You are correct about the scheduled strike, but why wouldn't there be lectures in the last week of term?
    As I said I am just remembering what it was like in the lead up to Christmas when I was at Uni. Very little of any value was done in that week. But then we were geologists and always looking for an excuse for a piss up. :)
    The geologists at Aber didn’t bother waiting for the last week. They were always getting their rocks off.

    Pause.

    Ah, my coat...
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    I've been idly passing time updating the Google Sheet for Statements of Persons Nominated:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/162fAv5xiV0XQjc5ii2eVYgZlFzvDP9KvL3VWvIe0bWo/edit#gid=0

    It's a good reminder of how terrible most district council website are. Also, that some Returning Officers can't be bothered to get their act in gear and post up their SoPNs promptly on one of the most important dates every five two years. Yes, Dudley and Sutton, I do mean you.

    NHDC has managed to get the statement of nominations up this evening, which I don't suppose is too bad.

    Our list of candidates consists of the same Tory who has won every Parliamentary election here since about 1872, and three total no-hopers - Labour, LD and Green. Very boring.
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    Noo said:

    nichomar said:

    This hand over the heart shit during national anthems better stop. The anthem is an irrelevance and why are we adopting more Americanisms

    Only stupid people sing national anthems.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxHnXajIex4
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    geoffw said:

    "the last week before the end of time was kind of a wind sown week . . "
    begins a dystopian novel

    LOL. Yep Sorry I type faster than I my ability can cope with. But you are right that is a great first line (unfortunately corrected now)
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    nico67 said:

    There are 8 council election seats up for grabs tonight . 3 in England , 3 in Scotland and 2 in Wales .

    Out of interest does anyone know why we don’t just save these up for election night at this time of year? Surely administratively simpler.
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    geoffw said:

    "the last week before the end of time was kind of a wind sown week . . "
    begins a dystopian novel

    The one about when a Marxist becomes chancellor of the Exchequer?
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,169

    geoffw said:

    "the last week before the end of time was kind of a wind sown week . . "
    begins a dystopian novel

    The one about when a Marxist becomes chancellor of the Exchequer?
    :smile:
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,267

    geoffw said:

    "the last week before the end of time was kind of a wind sown week . . "
    begins a dystopian novel

    The one about when a Marxist becomes chancellor of the Exchequer?
    That’s a silly remark.

    Maoists are very different from Marxists.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,267

    nico67 said:

    There are 8 council election seats up for grabs tonight . 3 in England , 3 in Scotland and 2 in Wales .

    Out of interest does anyone know why we don’t just save these up for election night at this time of year? Surely administratively simpler.
    I would have thought it would be more complicated. Everyone will be counting the GE ballots.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,780
    edited November 2019

    nico67 said:

    There are 8 council election seats up for grabs tonight . 3 in England , 3 in Scotland and 2 in Wales .

    Out of interest does anyone know why we don’t just save these up for election night at this time of year? Surely administratively simpler.
    If two people in a council area ask for a vacancy to be filled there has to be an election, I believe. It might make sense that when you are close enough to a GE you can wait until then to hold it, but I guess that's not possible (or it is, but the ones at the moment being called for before the GE was ordered means they must still go ahead) in all cases - certain level of time flexibility but not loads.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    edited November 2019

    nico67 said:

    There are 8 council election seats up for grabs tonight . 3 in England , 3 in Scotland and 2 in Wales .

    Out of interest does anyone know why we don’t just save these up for election night at this time of year? Surely administratively simpler.
    The writs for these by-elections would have been moved before the General Election was.
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    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    There are 8 council election seats up for grabs tonight . 3 in England , 3 in Scotland and 2 in Wales .

    Out of interest does anyone know why we don’t just save these up for election night at this time of year? Surely administratively simpler.
    I would have thought it would be more complicated. Everyone will be counting the GE ballots.
    Yeah but it’s only a fe hundred votes isn’t it usually? Feels like something you could do on the side whilst you do 40,000.
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    Well England arent arent to get 10 at this rate.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,780
    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    There are 8 council election seats up for grabs tonight . 3 in England , 3 in Scotland and 2 in Wales .

    Out of interest does anyone know why we don’t just save these up for election night at this time of year? Surely administratively simpler.
    I would have thought it would be more complicated. Everyone will be counting the GE ballots.
    Had a couple of by-elections in Wiltshire on the date of the GE, I don't think it makes a difference, you just have one table focusing on that rather than the GE ballots.
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    nico67 said:

    There are 8 council election seats up for grabs tonight . 3 in England , 3 in Scotland and 2 in Wales .

    Out of interest does anyone know why we don’t just save these up for election night at this time of year? Surely administratively simpler.
    The writs for these by-elections would have been called before the General Election was.
    Got you.
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    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    There are 8 council election seats up for grabs tonight . 3 in England , 3 in Scotland and 2 in Wales .

    Out of interest does anyone know why we don’t just save these up for election night at this time of year? Surely administratively simpler.
    If two people in a council area ask for a vacancy to be filled there has to be an election, I believe. It might make sense that when you are close enough to a GE you can wait until then to hold it, but I guess that's not possible (or it is, but the ones at the moment being called for before the GE was ordered means they must still go ahead) in all cases - certain level of time flexibility but not loads.
    Thanks.
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,169
    There was some discussion last week about job sharing (for labour leadership).
    Couldn't the BXP and Con candidates share the MP job they are unnecessarily vying for?
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    geoffw said:

    There was some discussion last week about job sharing (for labour leadership).
    Couldn't the BXP and Con candidates share the MP job they are unnecessarily vying for?

    No.
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    Probably not a great day for the Tories with the NHS. But on the other side of the coin the devolved administrations in Scotland and Wales are not doing any better with it.

    It does either need a shed load cash chucking at it, or a rethink.

    A lot of the money chucked at it in the 2000s was spent on pay (in many cases justifiable) whereas a lot of capital infrastructure was funded by PPI which is now strangling it financially.

    Is there a model working anywhere else in the world that doesn't need a much bigger chunk of GDP spend?

    What targets is the NHS in Scotland 'not doing any better with' than those in England?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125

    Well England arent arent to get 10 at this rate.

    Job done. Don't get cards, don't get injured, don't let in more than one.

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    Well I don’t feel the campaign is going particularly well for the Tories at the moment.

    Largely this is events driven, but this was the risk of a GE campaign 9 years into a government - you’ve got baggage. At the moment I think it’s only really Brexit keeping them afloat.

    They really could do with a better week next week, otherwise we could be talking 2017 all over again.
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    nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    Are we expecting any new polls tonight ?
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,341
    RobD said:

    So, polls? :)

    Addiction, very sad. Seek help!

    To pass the time - one of the best-known Tory councillors in Waverley (=SW Surrey, more or less), Liz Townsend, has resigned from the party today because she disagrees with Brexit. She'll sit as an independent.
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,169

    geoffw said:

    There was some discussion last week about job sharing (for labour leadership).
    Couldn't the BXP and Con candidates share the MP job they are unnecessarily vying for?

    No.
    oh :smile:
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,780
    The risk of the head to head debate is raised in the podcast and I think it quite relevant. As it notes the Tories want to unite the leave vote and split the remain vote. I'm not sure cutting Swinson out and making the point it is Corbyn or Boris does the latter.
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    Well England arent arent to get 10 at this rate.

    Job done. Don't get cards, don't get injured, don't let in more than one.

    I am now just so used to NFL Red Zone... what do you mean nobody has scored for 10 mins.
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    nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    As much as the Tories want the election on Brexit I think the public understandably want to talk about other things aswell . And events can force that anyway .

    Things that you never expected to be an issue pop up. Sadly we’ve seen those awful floods and what’s to know what will pop up in the coming weeks .
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,462

    Probably not a great day for the Tories with the NHS. But on the other side of the coin the devolved administrations in Scotland and Wales are not doing any better with it.

    It does either need a shed load cash chucking at it, or a rethink.

    A lot of the money chucked at it in the 2000s was spent on pay (in many cases justifiable) whereas a lot of capital infrastructure was funded by PPI which is now strangling it financially.

    Is there a model working anywhere else in the world that doesn't need a much bigger chunk of GDP spend?

    What targets is the NHS in Scotland 'not doing any better with' than those in England?
    Number of new hospitals that are ready for actual patients?
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,822
    nico67 said:

    Are we expecting any new polls tonight ?

    Never say never but I think we're all polled out until Saturday now! :(
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,857
    Evening all :)

    Six runners go to post for the East Ham Constituency General Election Handicap for 3-y-o of all ages. Stephen Timms hangs on here by 39,883 votes.

    https://www.newham.gov.uk/Documents/Council and Democracy/StatementOfPersonsNominatedAndNoticeOfPollEastHam.pdf

    Kamran Malik was outside East Ham Station with a megaphone this evening berating the commuters as they exited the station. Communities United stood in 2015 and got 0.8% of the vote.

    The Conservative may find leafy Beckenham somewhat different from East Ham (I know I did) but I look forward to him campaigning in the High Street.

    Seven candidates are standing in West Ham where Lyn Brown has a hyper marginal majority of 36,754 votes.

    The Christian People's Alliance (CPA) who were once quite strong in the Canning Town area in the era of Alan Craig and held Council seats join the other six - this time the Conservative hails from Ealing so it's either a nice amble down the District or a swift ride across London and change at Mile End.

    East Ham is the third safest Labour seat in the UK and number 564 on the Conservative target list so I suspect we won't see @HYUFD pounding the streets down here.

    West Ham is number 20 on the Labour list and 547 on the Conservative target list. It also has the largest electorate in London with over 92,000 voters.

    The safest Labour seats are Manchester Gorton and Birmingham Hodge Hill - Chorley was the safest but with Lindsay Hoyle's elevation to Speaker that no longer counts.
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    SLab drifting in Airdrie & Shotts, one of their top targets:

    SNP 1/5
    Lab 4/1
    Con 33/1
    LD 100/1
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