Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Why would I pay virgin media for my connection when British Broadband (tm) will give it to me for free?
Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Well given Virgin will basically not have a consumer business come 2030, the Commie Cable Company can just seize the infrastructure when it goes bust.
Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
As a loyal Virgin Media customer, I’d back that. Ideally everyone would get the same service as me, and I’d not have to endure painfully broken conference calls anymore.
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Why would I pay virgin media for my connection when British Broadband (tm) will give it to me for free?
People pay for private healthcare, and private schooling...
Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
As a loyal Virgin Media customer, I’d back that. Ideally everyone would get the same service as me, and I’d not have to endure painfully broken conference calls anymore.
Free multi-gigabit broadband and 6th form noise cancelling in my local Costa is all I ask from TrotTelecom.
What is with Corbyn wanting to nationalise companies whose best days have long since passed. Royal Mail. Centralised electricity providers. Fibre broadband.
Forget 2030, by 2025 and probably much earlier, anyone in a rural area without fibre (and many others besides) will be getting fast and affordable satellite internet from SpaceX. Corbyn’s response: “let’s renationalise the company likely to be most financially impacted by this!”.
And these clowns have floated the idea of nationalising the management of my pension because it’s “too important to leave in the hands of asset managers”.
At least someone has taken Boris aside and let him know he doesn’t need to dig thousands of miles of trenches to achieve the same result.
Tiresome.
Satellite Internet? Yes, I'm sure gamers will be satisfied with half second latency in perfect conditions with no clouds . Flocking to it they will be.
Have a read about SpaceX’s Starlink project and come back and tell me if you still want to own shares in a traditional ISP or to pay billions to build out fibre in low density areas.
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
As opposed to being completely dependent on private utilities.
Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
They won’t have to nationalise it, as this policy would put Virgin Media out of business.
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Labour's gone mad.
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
What is with Corbyn wanting to nationalise companies whose best days have long since passed. Royal Mail. Centralised electricity providers. Fibre broadband.
Forget 2030, by 2025 and probably much earlier, anyone in a rural area without fibre (and many others besides) will be getting fast and affordable satellite internet from SpaceX. Corbyn’s response: “let’s renationalise the company likely to be most financially impacted by this!”.
And these clowns have floated the idea of nationalising the management of my pension because it’s “too important to leave in the hands of asset managers”.
At least someone has taken Boris aside and let him know he doesn’t need to dig thousands of miles of trenches to achieve the same result.
Tiresome.
Satellite Internet? Yes, I'm sure gamers will be satisfied with half second latency in perfect conditions with no clouds . Flocking to it they will be.
The satellites are in low earth orbit, latency will be closer to a mobile connection than older satellite internet services.
For longer distances they may even be faster than terrestrial fibre as the signals between satellites (lasers eventually) will travel faster in a vacuum than down a fibre. IIRC beyond about 1,000 km the satellites should win. Financial trading might be an early adopter of these new constellations because of this.
Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Why would I pay virgin media for my connection when British Broadband (tm) will give it to me for free?
People pay for private healthcare, and private schooling...
Markets which are completely different because of the way the state intervenes in them.
65% of lines are run by non-Openreach providers. In your example 6.5% seems more likely...
Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Well given Virgin will basically not have a consumer business come 2030, the Commie Cable Company can just seize the infrastructure when it goes bust.
And we all get free fibre Broadand
Poor Richard Branson and Rupert Murdoch make less money how sad never mind.
Remember part nationalising BT means you're part nationalising the UK's largest mobile operator, EE.
Kevin Bacon will be appalled!
No it doesn't.
Openreach is already legally seperate from BT. They won't touch EE.
Presumably BT - the actual BT - will be forced to drop its broadband offering, so, er, definitely an effect on EE...
Where does it say that?
BT will be able to compete as they do today, they'll just have to use the infrastructure right now they charge everyone else to use. Seems a lot fairer to me.
Oh you really don't remember the GPO do you? How sweet.
Broadband provided by GPO was definitely slower.
You could only get one mobile. And it only had 4G. Eee, we suffered in those days.
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
If Corbyn got into power, that's precisely what would happen. These fellas believe the Venezuelan economic model is more desirable than ours. So, mass starvation would be preferable to using food banks. Better for everyone to starve than just a few.
I'll say this about Jezza and co, they have shifted the election away from Brexit. Good move, everyone is bored of that unicorn and wants a shiny new panacea.
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Good idea free heating then we could save on winter fuel allowance.
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Labour's gone mad.
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
You'd have thought wrong. I'm over 30 and like the idea.
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Labour's gone mad.
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
It might even get Boris some more Tory remain votes. “Bugger me, no matter how badly Brexit goes the Government won’t nationalise my shed”.
Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Why would I pay virgin media for my connection when British Broadband (tm) will give it to me for free?
After almost 10 years of austerity politics, I'm enjoying the 'batshit crazy public spending pledges' election.
Will the debate just be Boz v Jez riffing on what they're going to give away?
Yes. Tory loyalists will say their batshit crazy incontinent spending plans are perfectly sensible. Labour loyalists will say their batshit crazy incontinent spending plans are perfectly sensible. Nobody will point out that their batshit crazy incontinent spending plans are batshit crazy and incontinent. And they are going to piss the country away.
Buses aren't a natural monopoly any more than airlines.
Underground cables are.
Bus services were a hell of a lot better when they were run by the National Bus Company.
Wouldn't vote Corbyn's Labour in a month of Sundays but even I agree on trains and buses - the former in particular are a national embarrassment and the fares are a disgrace.
The broadband grab is just weird, but I'm sure the youth vote will love it.
The message is a decent enough one, but it was a bit long - the joke of it was made 30 seconds in, I don't think another 90 seconds was needed to make the same points. No the message is not diluted by it being a whole 2 minutes long, but it'd be like saying 'Corbyn is a commie' five times in a Tory broadcast. 2 or 3 would do it.
Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Well given Virgin will basically not have a consumer business come 2030, the Commie Cable Company can just seize the infrastructure when it goes bust.
And we all get free fibre Broadand
Poor Richard Branson and Rupert Murdoch make less money how sad never mind.
Richard Branson basically does nothing other than license a brand to Liberty Global, and even before that it was basically NTL after all the other companies had merged.
Remember part nationalising BT means you're part nationalising the UK's largest mobile operator, EE.
Kevin Bacon will be appalled!
No it doesn't.
Openreach is already legally seperate from BT. They won't touch EE.
Presumably BT - the actual BT - will be forced to drop its broadband offering, so, er, definitely an effect on EE...
Where does it say that?
BT will be able to compete as they do today, they'll just have to use the infrastructure right now they charge everyone else to use. Seems a lot fairer to me.
Oh you really don't remember the GPO do you? How sweet.
Broadband provided by GPO was definitely slower.
You could only get one mobile. And it only had 4G. Eee, we suffered in those days.
Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Well given Virgin will basically not have a consumer business come 2030, the Commie Cable Company can just seize the infrastructure when it goes bust.
And we all get free fibre Broadand
Poor Richard Branson and Rupert Murdoch make less money how sad never mind.
Jesus. How short sighted.
And everyone else involved in business providing the wealth that runs public services will take note, take cover, or flee.
You really do not get what the knock on impact of confiscation will be do you?
Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Well given Virgin will basically not have a consumer business come 2030, the Commie Cable Company can just seize the infrastructure when it goes bust.
And we all get free fibre Broadand
Poor Richard Branson and Rupert Murdoch make less money how sad never mind.
Dear Corbynistas, Branson doesn’t own Virgin Media anymore
I'll say this about Jezza and co, they have shifted the election away from Brexit. Good move, everyone is bored of that unicorn and wants a shiny new panacea.
If the public were bored of Brexit why will they return outcomes likely to prolong the arguments about it? Maybe they should care more about it, so that it gets resolved, rather than deciding based on other reasons at GEs, then spending the next years moaning that Brexit is not sorted.
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
If Corbyn got into power, that's precisely what would happen. These fellas believe the Venezuelan economic model is more desirable than ours. So, mass starvation would be preferable to using food banks. Better for everyone to starve than just a few.
Quite. Eliminate inequality by the simple expedient of making everybody without the means to emigrate dirt poor. HOWEVER...
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Labour's gone mad.
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
I fear that we underestimate at our peril the attraction of "free" everything. Labour can get a hearing for all of these ideas if it can convince a sufficient number of voters that they'll all be paid for by other people, i.e. "the rich" (variously defined as 'billionaires whom we all know have effectively infinite amounts of cash, none of which they deserve to possess and which should therefore be spent on me' or 'everybody in the country with an income at least £1 per year higher than mine.')
Buses aren't a natural monopoly any more than airlines.
Underground cables are.
Bus services were a hell of a lot better when they were run by the National Bus Company.
Arguably this is true. I've been in places, particularly rural areas and/or the South of England, where buses are so sparse it's a real problem (for example, last bus at 6pm).
Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Why would I pay virgin media for my connection when British Broadband (tm) will give it to me for free?
Superb policy. Get broadband to everyone to bolster the economy. Brilliant stuff.
But why state run? I can understand rolling out the fibre infrastructure, but why should the government be running the only ISP in the country?
It's a natural monopoly. Disraeli nationised the telegraph wires for much the same reasons. Spending money on triplicate cables in cities when 5% of the country has < 5 Mb/s doesn't make sense, although IMO there should be a separate regulator even if it's state-owned again.
The Lords recommended something similar in 2012, a universal broadband service, much as we got a nearly universal telephone service by I think the early 70s. It's not exactly a novel idea.
The ISP service and the wires are different things. Over here they have different operators, so most of the physical network is owned by NTT, the ex-nationalized-monopoly, but your internet service is provided by a bunch of competing companies, which then pay NTT for the use of the lines.
In practice I'm getting something like 600 Mbps down and 500 Mbps up.
It's not as good as living somewhere very competitive with actual competition between providers who own the whole stack - I pay nearly twice as much for the NTT + ISP service as I did in the city for a connection half as fast - but I'm sure it's better than what I'd be getting if the only option was NTT.
Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Why would I pay virgin media for my connection when British Broadband (tm) will give it to me for free?
People pay for private healthcare, and private schooling...
Markets which are completely different because of the way the state intervenes in them.
65% of lines are run by non-Openreach providers. In your example 6.5% seems more likely...
What is with Corbyn wanting to nationalise companies whose best days have long since passed. Royal Mail. Centralised electricity providers. Fibre broadband.
Forget 2030, by 2025 and probably much earlier, anyone in a rural area without fibre (and many others besides) will be getting fast and affordable satellite internet from SpaceX. Corbyn’s response: “let’s renationalise the company likely to be most financially impacted by this!”.
And these clowns have floated the idea of nationalising the management of my pension because it’s “too important to leave in the hands of asset managers”.
At least someone has taken Boris aside and let him know he doesn’t need to dig thousands of miles of trenches to achieve the same result.
Tiresome.
Satellite Internet? Yes, I'm sure gamers will be satisfied with half second latency in perfect conditions with no clouds . Flocking to it they will be.
The satellites are in low earth orbit, latency will be closer to a mobile connection than older satellite internet services.
For longer distances they may even be faster than terrestrial fibre as the signals between satellites (lasers eventually) will travel faster in a vacuum than down a fibre. IIRC beyond about 1,000 km the satellites should win. Financial trading might be an early adopter of these new constellations because of this.
Indeed, latency somewhere between 10-35 ms are likely given the orbital plane. First operation in North USA/Southern Canada as soon as 2020. Even very northern parts of the UK could be covered quite easily from a polar to polar orbit. For which the proposed Scottish spaceport would be quite handy.
Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Well given Virgin will basically not have a consumer business come 2030, the Commie Cable Company can just seize the infrastructure when it goes bust.
And we all get free fibre Broadand
Poor Richard Branson and Rupert Murdoch make less money how sad never mind.
Jesus. How short sighted.
And everyone else involved in business providing the wealth that runs public services will take note, take cover, or flee.
You really do not get what the knock on impact of confiscation will be do you?
And everyone else involved in business providing the wealth that runs private services will take note, take cover, or flee.
You really do not get what the knock on impact of EU departure will be do you?
Buses aren't a natural monopoly any more than airlines.
Underground cables are.
Indeed. And as if the public have a fucking clue about the idea of nationalising broadband until you offer it to them.
I'm not so sure about buses. If you live in Fallowfield, it makes sense to have five different bus companies competing to take you to Salford. If you live in Fakenham and you need to get to Swaffham, how many bus services can there be? Seems to me buses straddle the boundary between natural monopoly and not.
This is also the Trump approach. Get people talking about it.
The Tories have done Labour's work for them, their questions will be "well what will you do"?
I am astonished the Tories didn't see it.
The Tories are on their back foot now. Is "Get Brexit Done" seriously all they've got? They're bound to pull an enormous rabbit out of the hat in the final fortnight, but nevertheless Boris and Jacob could be one Gillian Duffy moment away from losing. How many in the North believe the "Brexit Party" is a political party rather than a "feel good about spoiling your ballot if you don't much like Labour as it currently stands but still couldn't stomach voting Tory in a million years" operation? This looks very much like a case of the Tories not having the measure of their main enemy and being satisfied saying utterly ridiculous and false things to each other such as that Corbyn's attitude towards Jews is that he wants to 'Burn Your Neighbourhood'".
Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Why would I pay virgin media for my connection when British Broadband (tm) will give it to me for free?
People pay for private healthcare, and private schooling...
Markets which are completely different because of the way the state intervenes in them.
65% of lines are run by non-Openreach providers. In your example 6.5% seems more likely...
Wait, will businesses pay?
Nope its free
So I'll benefit to the tune of £30/month but Tesco will save millions?
The message is a decent enough one, but it was a bit long - the joke of it was made 30 seconds in, I don't think another 90 seconds was needed to make the same points. No the message is not diluted by it being a whole 2 minutes long, but it'd be like saying 'Corbyn is a commie' five times in a Tory broadcast. 2 or 3 would do it.
This is one of those mad ideas that at least superficially seems attractive, but I just don't think people can be so easily bought. There's no such thing as 'free' anything, whoever it's promised by. A good short term tactic to get away from Brexit and indyref2, but it's not going to change the result of a general election.
Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Well given Virgin will basically not have a consumer business come 2030, the Commie Cable Company can just seize the infrastructure when it goes bust.
And we all get free fibre Broadand
Poor Richard Branson and Rupert Murdoch make less money how sad never mind.
you really don't care about the job losses do you?
Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Well given Virgin will basically not have a consumer business come 2030, the Commie Cable Company can just seize the infrastructure when it goes bust.
And we all get free fibre Broadand
Poor Richard Branson and Rupert Murdoch make less money how sad never mind.
Jesus. How short sighted.
And everyone else involved in business providing the wealth that runs public services will take note, take cover, or flee.
You really do not get what the knock on impact of confiscation will be do you?
And everyone else involved in business providing the wealth that runs private services will take note, take cover, or flee.
You really do not get what the knock on impact of EU departure will be do you?
The message is a decent enough one, but it was a bit long - the joke of it was made 30 seconds in, I don't think another 90 seconds was needed to make the same points. No the message is not diluted by it being a whole 2 minutes long, but it'd be like saying 'Corbyn is a commie' five times in a Tory broadcast. 2 or 3 would do it.
Disagree. Very good tape.
I'm curious - what about repeating the same gag a dozen times make it better than repeating it 6 times would?
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
If Corbyn got into power, that's precisely what would happen. These fellas believe the Venezuelan economic model is more desirable than ours. So, mass starvation would be preferable to using food banks. Better for everyone to starve than just a few.
Quite. Eliminate inequality by the simple expedient of making everybody without the means to emigrate dirt poor. HOWEVER...
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Labour's gone mad.
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
I fear that we underestimate at our peril the attraction of "free" everything. Labour can get a hearing for all of these ideas if it can convince a sufficient number of voters that they'll all be paid for by other people, i.e. "the rich" (variously defined as 'billionaires whom we all know have effectively infinite amounts of cash, none of which they deserve to possess and which should therefore be spent on me' or 'everybody in the country with an income at least £1 per year higher than mine.')
Except it is now clear they won't just be paid by other people but by the average voter
Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Well given Virgin will basically not have a consumer business come 2030, the Commie Cable Company can just seize the infrastructure when it goes bust.
And we all get free fibre Broadand
Poor Richard Branson and Rupert Murdoch make less money how sad never mind.
This is also the Trump approach. Get people talking about it.
The Tories have done Labour's work for them, their questions will be "well what will you do"?
I am astonished the Tories didn't see it.
The Tories are on their back foot now. Is "Get Brexit Done" seriously all they've got? They're bound to pull an enormous rabbit out of the hat in the final fortnight, but nevertheless Boris and Jacob could be one Gillian Duffy moment away from losing. How many in the North believe the "Brexit Party" is a political party rather than a "feel good about spoiling your ballot if you don't much like Labour as it currently stands but still couldn't stomach voting Tory in a million years" operation?
Nope. Labour are in full panic mode. You can smell it. They’re desperately trying to shore up their core vote. They can see the writing on the wall and Corbyn and McMao are merely playing fantasy league politics before the curtain falls for them.
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
As opposed to being completely dependent on private utilities.
Who we can bin if we not happy with the service
Do you not remember the bad old days with the state phone monopoly??
Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Why would I pay virgin media for my connection when British Broadband (tm) will give it to me for free?
Who were Virgin media?
What about their employees ?
At home watching free broadband scoffing free Johnny McD burgers
It's a good reminder of how terrible most district council website are. Also, that some Returning Officers can't be bothered to get their act in gear and post up their SoPNs promptly on one of the most important dates every five two years. Yes, Dudley and Sutton, I do mean you.
There are a lot of non Conservative seats where the BXP hasn't got a candidate. Many gaps in Scotland, Wales and London and a handful in the rest of England. In most it won't matter but in a few are marginal. eg. Bristol NW, Canterbury, Dudley N, Eltham, Hyndburn, Newport East. Also a few in England with no LDs eg Worcester.
Buses aren't a natural monopoly any more than airlines.
Underground cables are.
Bus services were a hell of a lot better when they were run by the National Bus Company.
Wouldn't vote Corbyn's Labour in a month of Sundays but even I agree on trains and buses - the former in particular are a national embarrassment and the fares are a disgrace.
The broadband grab is just weird, but I'm sure the youth vote will love it.
Fair enough. It’s remarkable that rail franchising has persisted so long. I think it transcends politics: when people get on the roads, or railways, they want one arse to kick — that of the government.
Anything else is just diversionary tactics, and that’s why franchising will never work.
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
As opposed to being completely dependent on private utilities.
Who we can bin if we not happy with the service
Do you not remember the bad old days with the state phone monopoly??
And that's when the employees worked 5 days a week.....Wait until they only do 4.
This is also the Trump approach. Get people talking about it.
The Tories have done Labour's work for them, their questions will be "well what will you do"?
I am astonished the Tories didn't see it.
The Tories are on their back foot now. Is "Get Brexit Done" seriously all they've got? They're bound to pull an enormous rabbit out of the hat in the final fortnight, but nevertheless Boris and Jacob could be one Gillian Duffy moment away from losing. How many in the North believe the "Brexit Party" is a political party rather than a "feel good about spoiling your ballot if you don't much like Labour as it currently stands but still couldn't stomach voting Tory in a million years" operation?
Get Brexit Done is a slogan of despair. It is like having a sigmoidoscopy, not a holiday.
The message is a decent enough one, but it was a bit long - the joke of it was made 30 seconds in, I don't think another 90 seconds was needed to make the same points. No the message is not diluted by it being a whole 2 minutes long, but it'd be like saying 'Corbyn is a commie' five times in a Tory broadcast. 2 or 3 would do it.
Pure cringe. What makes it even worse is that the billionaire would be first in the queue defending Ali before anyone else got a word in, asking him if he had any mates that were prepared to work a 60 hour week for half the going rate
This is also the Trump approach. Get people talking about it.
The Tories have done Labour's work for them, their questions will be "well what will you do"?
I am astonished the Tories didn't see it.
The Tories are on their back foot now. Is "Get Brexit Done" seriously all they've got? They're bound to pull an enormous rabbit out of the hat in the final fortnight, but nevertheless Boris and Jacob could be one Gillian Duffy moment away from losing. How many in the North believe the "Brexit Party" is a political party rather than a "feel good about spoiling your ballot if you don't much like Labour as it currently stands but still couldn't stomach voting Tory in a million years" operation?
I'd take an average 10 point poll lead this close to an election and 'be on the back foot' any day. Wouldn't you?
Buses aren't a natural monopoly any more than airlines.
Underground cables are.
Indeed. And as if the public have a fucking clue about the idea of nationalising broadband until you offer it to them.
I'm not so sure about buses. If you live in Fallowfield, it makes sense to have five different bus companies competing to take you to Salford. If you live in Fakenham and you need to get to Swaffham, how many bus services can there be? Seems to me buses straddle the boundary between natural monopoly and not.
Maybe buses aren't as competitive as that; they certainly need regulation, which is different from ownership. I agree with the public's view of airlines, trains and the Royal Mail though.
Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Well given Virgin will basically not have a consumer business come 2030, the Commie Cable Company can just seize the infrastructure when it goes bust.
And we all get free fibre Broadand
Poor Richard Branson and Rupert Murdoch make less money how sad never mind.
you really don't care about the job losses do you?
Forget the job losses, there are likely companies who are right now thinking should they scrap their investment in the local-loop, backhaul, 5G and so on if Labour's simply going to take if off them. There is a hell of a lot more to "broadband" than just Openreach.
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
If Corbyn got into power, that's precisely what would happen. These fellas believe the Venezuelan economic model is more desirable than ours. So, mass starvation would be preferable to using food banks. Better for everyone to starve than just a few.
Quite. Eliminate inequality by the simple expedient of making everybody without the means to emigrate dirt poor. HOWEVER...
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Labour's gone mad.
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
I fear that we underestimate at our peril the attraction of "free" everything. Labour can get a hearing for all of these ideas if it can convince a sufficient number of voters that they'll all be paid for by other people, i.e. "the rich" (variously defined as 'billionaires whom we all know have effectively infinite amounts of cash, none of which they deserve to possess and which should therefore be spent on me' or 'everybody in the country with an income at least £1 per year higher than mine.')
Except it is now clear they won't just be paid by other people but by the average voter
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
If Corbyn got into power, that's precisely what would happen. These fellas believe the Venezuelan economic model is more desirable than ours. So, mass starvation would be preferable to using food banks. Better for everyone to starve than just a few.
Quite. Eliminate inequality by the simple expedient of making everybody without the means to emigrate dirt poor. HOWEVER...
Why not free leccy and gas? I mean fuck it, tax at 85% and free utilities, basic weekly ration allowance, make us all completely dependent on the State
Labour's gone mad.
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
I fear that we underestimate at our peril the attraction of "free" everything. Labour can get a hearing for all of these ideas if it can convince a sufficient number of voters that they'll all be paid for by other people, i.e. "the rich" (variously defined as 'billionaires whom we all know have effectively infinite amounts of cash, none of which they deserve to possess and which should therefore be spent on me' or 'everybody in the country with an income at least £1 per year higher than mine.')
Except it is now clear they won't just be paid by other people but by the average voter
It's a good reminder of how terrible most district council website are. Also, that some Returning Officers can't be bothered to get their act in gear and post up their SoPNs promptly on one of the most important dates every five two years. Yes, Dudley and Sutton, I do mean you.
Is that the Election Maps spreadsheet? Are you involved with that site?
Buses aren't a natural monopoly any more than airlines.
Underground cables are.
Indeed. And as if the public have a fucking clue about the idea of nationalising broadband until you offer it to them.
I'm not so sure about buses. If you live in Fallowfield, it makes sense to have five different bus companies competing to take you to Salford. If you live in Fakenham and you need to get to Swaffham, how many bus services can there be? Seems to me buses straddle the boundary between natural monopoly and not.
Quite so. Buses are better regulated/nationalised - even Mrs T didn’t deregulate the London bus network because she knew to do so would wreck the network, because only the most popular routes would be supported.
You know that 1.2 trillion quid the Tories said Labour would rack up in extra debt? That's starting to look woefully under estimated. By the end of the campaign, it'll be double that.
Out of interest, for those who support the policy, why not nationalise the Virgin Media infrastructure on the same basis? After all it was once the nationalised telegraph (I think you can draw a line back through Cable and Wireless).
Well given Virgin will basically not have a consumer business come 2030, the Commie Cable Company can just seize the infrastructure when it goes bust.
And we all get free fibre Broadand
Poor Richard Branson and Rupert Murdoch make less money how sad never mind.
Jesus. How short sighted.
And everyone else involved in business providing the wealth that runs public services will take note, take cover, or flee.
You really do not get what the knock on impact of confiscation will be do you?
And everyone else involved in business providing the wealth that runs private services will take note, take cover, or flee.
You really do not get what the knock on impact of EU departure will be do you?
Way way less than the hand wringers think,
Quite possibly. But my point is that having spent the time since the EU Referendum saying that any business problems (currency collapses, wealth flight, trade disruption) caused by EU departure can be ignored, and having run an election campaign based on lies and promising money to everybody, it is not defensible to complain about Labour doing it bigger and harder.
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Buses aren't a natural monopoly any more than airlines.
Underground cables are.
I miss the good old days...
It's basically an acknowledgement Labour have given up, and are just trying to limit losses.
https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2019/11/02/starlink-is-a-very-big-deal/
https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1195069230997233665
Anyone over the age to 30 will run a mile I'd have thought.
For longer distances they may even be faster than terrestrial fibre as the signals between satellites (lasers eventually) will travel faster in a vacuum than down a fibre. IIRC beyond about 1,000 km the satellites should win. Financial trading might be an early adopter of these new constellations because of this.
65% of lines are run by non-Openreach providers. In your example 6.5% seems more likely...
Wait, will businesses pay?
Poor Richard Branson and Rupert Murdoch make less money how sad never mind.
Winner
The Tories have done Labour's work for them, their questions will be "well what will you do"?
I am astonished the Tories didn't see it.
The broadband grab is just weird, but I'm sure the youth vote will love it.
And everyone else involved in business providing the wealth that runs public services will take note, take cover, or flee.
You really do not get what the knock on impact of confiscation will be do you?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7687351/Jeremy-Corbyn-condemned-candidates.html
That's the tory election flyers taken care of then
https://uk.pcmag.com/virgin-media/83994/dear-corbynistas-branson-doesnt-own-virgin-media-anymore
I think most (all?) previous nationalisations have at least nationalised materially all market participants.
So even though my new house is deep in the boonies, with no sewage and radioactive wild boar running amok in the woods, I have a choice of ISP that looks like this:
https://kakaku.com/bb/ranking.asp?bb_lineTypeGroup=1001&bb_houseType=6001&bb_pref=13&bb_ftthFeatureGroup=21003
In practice I'm getting something like 600 Mbps down and 500 Mbps up.
It's not as good as living somewhere very competitive with actual competition between providers who own the whole stack - I pay nearly twice as much for the NTT + ISP service as I did in the city for a connection half as fast - but I'm sure it's better than what I'd be getting if the only option was NTT.
You really do not get what the knock on impact of EU departure will be do you?
Seems to me buses straddle the boundary between natural monopoly and not.
How very socialist.
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1194956394287362048?s=20
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1195044471702016000?s=20
Ditto Richard Branson and Virgin.
Ah, my coat....
Do you not remember the bad old days with the state phone monopoly??
Anything else is just diversionary tactics, and that’s why franchising will never work.
Venezuela on steroids by Labour
How long until McDonnell offers me a free Moon on a Stick?
I mean some people will just cut their hours to pay less tax
Get some fooking policies
(I just read the small print. Only Party faithful it seems. Damn....)
Just interested as it seems like a good site.
Paging the IMF in 5.........