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Huh!?dixiedean said:First Boris promise broken. No sign of a radical streamlining of government departments. If every Tory MP gets a government job, they can't vote against him. Right?
We're talking about the biggest cull on record of cabinet ministers and you're saying it is giving everyone the job?
No idea whether or which departments will be merged in future if some will but that will presumably take time to organise properly and under the circumstances might not be #1 priority for the civil service in the first 99 days.0 -
So anyway, Johnson's planned "information"/education campaign on No Deal. Written by impartial civil servants, or Cabinet Ministers?0
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This is the Brittania Unchained Cabinet. Don't be surprised what's in their plans. It's there in book form already.0
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Full moonbat. This is every bit as ridiculous as what Corbyn and Momentum have done to the Labour Party, and really worse as these idiots are in power.Gallowgate said:0 -
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Yes, I remember your explanation well. You changed your tune when I pointed out what the electoral law was about second home owners voting (a major problem in parts of Wales).Cyclefree said:
Dear me. I explained this a while back. I do not have a vote in Trudy Harrison’s constituency but my husband and daughter do. Daughter will not vote Tory under any circumstances and husband now won’t. He did before. So that’s one vote lost. I am in the process of moving so, depending on when the election is held, I will have a vote. It will not be for the Tories.
I know and like Trudy. But her majority is ca. 2000. A No Deal Brexit will hit Cumbria hard. Whatever her good local work she cannot count on that saving her.
Does this Cabinet look like one which gives a damn about the people of West Cumbria? Do they even know where it is or what life is like there? I doubt it.
I had suggested you were a second home owner, and you said you indignantly were not. You owned a house in Hampstead and your husband owned a house in Copeland !!!!
And you pontificate on here about the lack of straightforwardness of our political masters !!!!!!
You may or may not be right that "A No Deal Brexit will hit Cumbria hard". You may or may not be right that this Cabinet "does not give a damn about Cumbria".
But, I would rather hear that from the people of Cumbria. Let them speak for themselves. They don't need help from London, or even from very recently arrived imports to Cumbria.0 -
Now that's actually funny.Scott_P said:0 -
A government of all the lemmings.Gallowgate said:0 -
Is the lull because of an epic game of rock/paper/scissors between JRM, McVey and Johnson Minor?0
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The Tory manifesto was to get the best deal possible for the UK - but also repeatedly the phrase "no deal is better than a bad deal" was used. Given May's deal is a bad deal, no deal is better than that. If no better deal is available so be it, a clean break [clean Brexit] will be better. If a better deal is available lets take it.DougSeal said:
Two years on since the Tory Party “won” on a promise of an exit deal with the EU they have decided to spit in the face of the electorate. As per usual. Those spluttering in rage are the 50% of the population think he will be a poor/terrible prime minister and the 58% of the population who have an unfavourable view of him. This is the most negative, reactionary, backward looking, fearful, authoritarian cabinet in British history.Philip_Thompson said:
The red faced are left sputtering in outrage outside, from the permanently red faced and angry LOTO to those sputtering in disgust that a Brexiteer is now PM three years after the public democratically voted for Brexit and we might actually mean it this time.OnboardG1 said:
I have never yet, despite my links to the left and my age, yet felt the need to deploy "gammon" in anger, but here we are. This is the cabinet for the gammonage. The red faced angry folk who get off on the pain of others and believe in fairytales of empire and trade. The people who would drop dead if it weren't for the ice touch of rage at the fact the world is leaving them behind in their veins. Desperate for their last hurrah and willing to destroy the future of their children and grandchildren for the last buzz of victory before the grave swallows them.Philip_Thompson said:So far so good, looks like a really positive and optimistic reshuffle. Just the shake up the doctor ordered and not remotely what we would have got from Continuity May (Hunt).
We were given a choice between more-of-the-same from Hunt or genuine change from Johnson and change was elected by 2:1 and that looks like what we're going to get.
I'm very happy. Still only Penny Mordaunt that I think is a loss, hopefully like Gove for May she will be back before long. Other than that, cry no tears at Grayling etc being on the backbenches.
All we're missing is a profanity-filled Tweet from Ian Dunt in the thread header and it will be complete.
Negative and backward looking? Brexit is our future, this is a sunny and optimistic cabinet looking to our future not petrified and scared and clinging to our past like Nanny May.0 -
Eh, I don't think it's really about that. Many of them (and, ahem, you, as I recall) thought that May would successfully take us out of the EU. They weren't happy but they also weren't resigning their membership and engaging in performative online anguish like we're seeing now.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes. Those left redfaced and angry at the idea we might actually cut our cords with the EU three years after we voted to do so.
Let them rant and rave from the backbenches and if they VONC their own party then lets have an election without them as candidates anymore. They have no right to veto what we voted to do years ago.
In my opinion, it's because they voted Tory (or at least found the Tories acceptable) not because of their actual underlying value of protecting and reenforcing existing hierarchies of wealth and power, but because of their sales pitch of being a steady hand on the tiller. The values haven't changed, but the sales pitch has, so from their point of view everything has suddenly, inexplicably, gone to Hell in a handbasket.0 -
It's actually good for Boris that Hunt did not accept a sideways/downwards move. If there is anyone who knows that the tactic of giving a rival a job to stop them plotting does not work, it is Boris.0
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Fixed it for you-Philip_Thompson said:
Yes. Those left redfaced and angry at the idea we might actually cut our cords with the EU three years after we voted to do so.Stereotomy said:
Whatever, let's not quibble terminology, you know the people I mean.Philip_Thompson said:
I love how those who lost the referendum are regarded as "centrists".Stereotomy said:
Nah, the people losing their minds today are mostly centrists. Most of those on the left already thought things were so bad that this isn't much of a change. Very similar situation with Trump in the USPhilip_Thompson said:
The red faced are left sputtering in outrage outside, from the permanently red faced and angry LOTO to those sputtering in disgust that a Brexiteer is now PM three years after the public democratically voted for Brexit and we might actually mean it this time.OnboardG1 said:
I have never yet, despite my links to the left and my age, yet felt the need to deploy "gammon" in anger, but here we are. This is the cabinet for the gammonage. The red faced angry folk who get off on the pain of others and believe in fairytales of empire and trade. The people who would drop dead if it weren't for the ice touch of rage at the fact the world is leaving them behind in their veins. Desperate for their last hurrah and willing to destroy the future of their children and grandchildren for the last buzz of victory before the grave swallows them.Philip_Thompson said:So far so good, looks like a really positive and optimistic reshuffle. Just the shake up the doctor ordered and not remotely what we would have got from Continuity May (Hunt).
All we're missing is a profanity-filled Tweet from Ian Dunt in the thread header and it will be complete.
Johnson is the real centrist. He is the one who won.
Let them rant and rave from the backbenches and if they VONC their own party then lets have an election without them as candidates anymore. They have no right to veto what we voted to do years ago.
“Yes. Those left redfaced and angry at the prospect of their constituents being thrown into economic chaos by no-deal Brexit two years after we voted to leave with a deal
Let them rant and rave from the backbenches and if they VONC their own party then lets have an election without them as candidates anymore. They have every right to veto the no-deal Brexit no-one voted for in 2016 and upheld their manifesto commitment to leave with a deal made in 2017”
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Pure, reactionary, wank fantasy.Philip_Thompson said:
Negative and backward looking? Brexit is our future, this is a sunny and optimistic cabinet looking to our future not petrified and scared and clinging to our past like Nanny May.0 -
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Political commentators: Theresa May should be promoting talent from the Tory backbenches into Cabinet so we can see what they can do. Keeping with the old guard is damaging the future of the party.
Also political commentators: What on earth is Boris Johnson doing, firing all the failed existing cabinet ministers and promoting people we've never heard of? He's lost the plot and is damaging the party in the process.0 -
I was being somewhat flippant as should have been clear. Nonetheless, smaller government does not seem to be priority #1. That seems to be jobs for my mates, regardless of past incompetence or mendacity.Philip_Thompson said:
Huh!?dixiedean said:First Boris promise broken. No sign of a radical streamlining of government departments. If every Tory MP gets a government job, they can't vote against him. Right?
We're talking about the biggest cull on record of cabinet ministers and you're saying it is giving everyone the job?
No idea whether or which departments will be merged in future if some will but that will presumably take time to organise properly and under the circumstances might not be #1 priority for the civil service in the first 99 days.0 -
We've heard of all of them and they're terrible.Endillion said:Political commentators: Theresa May should be promoting talent from the Tory backbenches into Cabinet so we can see what they can do. Keeping with the old guard is damaging the future of the party.
Also political commentators: What on earth is Boris Johnson doing, firing all the failed existing cabinet ministers and promoting people we've never heard of? He's lost the plot and is damaging the party in the process.0 -
I oppposed May from the offset. My views on May is like @Richard_Nabavi on Boris. I despised May before she was elected and cancelled my membership after she was. She is a nasty, authoritarian, xenophobic piece of work that actually used "libertarian" as an insult in one speech!Stereotomy said:
Eh, I don't think it's really about that. Many of them (and, ahem, you, as I recall) thought that May would successfully take us out of the EU. They weren't happy but they also weren't resigning their membership and engaging in performative online anguish like we're seeing now.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes. Those left redfaced and angry at the idea we might actually cut our cords with the EU three years after we voted to do so.
Let them rant and rave from the backbenches and if they VONC their own party then lets have an election without them as candidates anymore. They have no right to veto what we voted to do years ago.
In my opinion, it's because they voted Tory (or at least found the Tories acceptable) not because of their actual underlying value of protecting and reenforcing existing hierarchies of wealth and power, but because of their sales pitch of being a steady hand on the tiller. The values haven't changed, but the sales pitch has, so from their point of view everything has suddenly, inexplicably, gone to Hell in a handbasket.
Good riddance to her! I can't stand the woman and no I never backed her. I was a big fan of Cameron, voted for him in the membership election and loved going to Party Conference when he was in charge but her speech to Conference was the most vile and xenophobic nasty rant I have ever had the mispleasure to sit in. Felt like I'd somehow been transported to a BNP Conference while she was speaking.
I did cancel my membership rather than stay in her party. I was a member throughout all of Cameron's term [and had joined not long before in order to get a vote in that election to vote for a liberal Conservative] but I quit after she won.
So no, I can't stand the woman and am not surprised she failed. I look forward to a more positive, libertarian Conservative Party now that she is gone.1 -
Boris voted for her plan. However reluctantly, he clearly did not agree it was not worth having as your implication of her time in office suggests.Philip_Thompson said:
Negative and backward looking? Brexit is our future, this is a sunny and optimistic cabinet looking to our future not petrified and scared and clinging to our past like Nanny May.DougSeal said:
Two years on since the Tory Party “won” on a promise of an exit deal with the EU they have decided to spit in the face of the electorate. As per usual. Those spluttering in rage are the 50% of the population think he will be a poor/terrible prime minister and the 58% of the population who have an unfavourable view of him. This is the most negative, reactionary, backward looking, fearful, authoritarian cabinet in British history.Philip_Thompson said:
The red faced are left sputtering in outrage outside, from the permanently red faced and angry LOTO to those sputtering in disgust that a Brexiteer is now PM three years after the public democratically voted for Brexit and we might actually mean it this time.OnboardG1 said:
I have never yet, despite my links to the left and my age, yet felt the need to deploy "gammon" in anger, but here we are. This is the cabinet for the gammonage. The red faced angry folk who get off on the pain of others and believe in fairytales of empire and trade. The people who would drop dead if it weren't for the ice touch of rage at the fact the world is leaving them behind in their veins. Desperate for their last hurrah and willing to destroy the future of their children and grandchildren for the last buzz of victory before the grave swallows them.Philip_Thompson said:So far so good, looks like a really positive and optimistic reshuffle. Just the shake up the doctor ordered and not remotely what we would have got from Continuity May (Hunt).
We were given a choice between more-of-the-same from Hunt or genuine change from Johnson and change was elected by 2:1 and that looks like what we're going to get.
I'm very happy. Still only Penny Mordaunt that I think is a loss, hopefully like Gove for May she will be back before long. Other than that, cry no tears at Grayling etc being on the backbenches.
All we're missing is a profanity-filled Tweet from Ian Dunt in the thread header and it will be complete.0 -
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He is a Johnson after all (exceptions being the sister who seems sane and a little principled).kle4 said:0 -
Doesn't really work, though, does it? Because the problems are people we know all too much about.Endillion said:Political commentators: Theresa May should be promoting talent from the Tory backbenches into Cabinet so we can see what they can do. Keeping with the old guard is damaging the future of the party.
Also political commentators: What on earth is Boris Johnson doing, firing all the failed existing cabinet ministers and promoting people we've never heard of? He's lost the plot and is damaging the party in the process.0 -
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On Betfair, the implied probability of Brexit by the end of the year has now shot up to nearly 50%. But the probability of No Deal by the end of the year is pretty much unchanged at under 30%.
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So Jo Johnson, who resigned from the May Govt so that he could back a referendum, has now joined the Government with a pledge of backing leaving on October 31st under all circumstances. Obviously.
What's Rachel Johnson's view these days? Has she done a straight switch from CHUK to BXP?0 -
I suppose he realizes that No Deal is now an utter certainty. If you can’t beat ‘em join ‘em and all that.kle4 said:0 -
I disagreed with him when he did that. I have been consistent here.kle4 said:
Boris voted for her plan. However reluctantly, he clearly did not agree it was not worth having as your implication of her time in office suggests.Philip_Thompson said:
Negative and backward looking? Brexit is our future, this is a sunny and optimistic cabinet looking to our future not petrified and scared and clinging to our past like Nanny May.DougSeal said:
Two years on since the Tory Party “won” on a promise of an exit deal with the EU they have decided to spit in the face of the electorate. As per usual. Those spluttering in rage are the 50% of the population think he will be a poor/terrible prime minister and the 58% of the population who have an unfavourable view of him. This is the most negative, reactionary, backward looking, fearful, authoritarian cabinet in British history.Philip_Thompson said:
The red faced are left sputtering in outrage outside, from the permanently red faced and angry LOTO to those sputtering in disgust that a Brexiteer is now PM three years after the public democratically voted for Brexit and we might actually mean it this time.OnboardG1 said:
I have never yet, despite my links to the left and my age, yet felt the need to deploy "gammon" in anger, but here we are. This is the cabinet for the gammonage. The red faced angry folk who get off on the pain of others and believe in fairytales of empire and trade. The people who would drop dead if it weren't for the ice touch of rage at the fact the world is leaving them behind in their veins. Desperate for their last hurrah and willing to destroy the future of their children and grandchildren for the last buzz of victory before the grave swallows them.Philip_Thompson said:So far so good, looks like a really positive and optimistic reshuffle. Just the shake up the doctor ordered and not remotely what we would have got from Continuity May (Hunt).
We were given a choice between more-of-the-same from Hunt or genuine change from Johnson and change was elected by 2:1 and that looks like what we're going to get.
I'm very happy. Still only Penny Mordaunt that I think is a loss, hopefully like Gove for May she will be back before long. Other than that, cry no tears at Grayling etc being on the backbenches.
All we're missing is a profanity-filled Tweet from Ian Dunt in the thread header and it will be complete.0 -
Britain Trump.Scott_P said:
Have you not yet learned the futility of believing anything that Johnson says ?0 -
Money going on the EU folding somewhat..... Enough to give Boris a deal anyway.Chris said:On Betfair, the implied probability of Brexit by the end of the year has now shot up to nearly 50%. But the probability of No Deal by the end of the year is pretty much unchanged at under 30%.
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Jo Johnson comes out even worse than Amber Rudd.kle4 said:0 -
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Alok Sharma and Robert Buckland. Go.OnboardG1 said:
We've heard of all of them and they're terrible.Endillion said:Political commentators: Theresa May should be promoting talent from the Tory backbenches into Cabinet so we can see what they can do. Keeping with the old guard is damaging the future of the party.
Also political commentators: What on earth is Boris Johnson doing, firing all the failed existing cabinet ministers and promoting people we've never heard of? He's lost the plot and is damaging the party in the process.0 -
Similarly from my perspective I had to endure months of people thinking May was going to get the EU to remove the backstop when it was extremely clear she wasn't. I don't see why that belief was any less farfetched than the idea that Boris will succeed at it now.Philip_Thompson said:
I oppposed May from the offset. My views on May is like @Richard_Nabavi on Boris. I despised May before she was elected and cancelled my membership after she was. She is a nasty, authoritarian, xenophobic piece of work that actually used "libertarian" as an insult in one speech!
Good riddance to her! I can't stand the woman and no I never backed her. I was a big fan of Cameron, voted for him in the membership election and loved going to Party Conference when he was in charge but her speech to Conference was the most vile and xenophobic nasty rant I have ever had the mispleasure to sit in. Felt like I'd somehow been transported to a BNP Conference while she was speaking.
I did cancel my membership rather than stay in her party. I was a member throughout all of Cameron's term [and had joined not long before in order to get a vote in that election to vote for a liberal Conservative] but I quit after she won.
So no, I can't stand the woman and am not surprised she failed. I look forward to a more positive, libertarian Conservative Party now that she is gone.0 -
Rather incredibly, he is married to Amelia Gentleman (the Guardian journalist who exposed the Windrush scandal).murali_s said:
He is a Johnson after all (exceptions being the sister who seems sane and a little principled).kle4 said:
Politics at the top really does seem to be a celebrity game, the slap and tickle of famous & wealthy names rubbing together, whether nominally left or right.0 -
Buckland was a barrister and a minister who oversaw the shitstorm of our prisons. You've got me on Alok Sharma. Well done.Endillion said:
Alok Sharma and Robert Buckland. Go.OnboardG1 said:
We've heard of all of them and they're terrible.Endillion said:Political commentators: Theresa May should be promoting talent from the Tory backbenches into Cabinet so we can see what they can do. Keeping with the old guard is damaging the future of the party.
Also political commentators: What on earth is Boris Johnson doing, firing all the failed existing cabinet ministers and promoting people we've never heard of? He's lost the plot and is damaging the party in the process.
EDIT: He was solicitor general in my fact checking. For some reason Attorney General came to mind but I knew that was Geoffrey Cox.0 -
But just to be clear. You're a big fan of Priti Patel?Philip_Thompson said:
I oppposed May from the offset. My views on May is like @Richard_Nabavi on Boris. I despised May before she was elected and cancelled my membership after she was. She is a nasty, authoritarian, xenophobic piece of work that actually used "libertarian" as an insult in one speech!Stereotomy said:
Eh, I don't think it's really about that. Many of them (and, ahem, you, as I recall) thought that May would successfully take us out of the EU. They weren't happy but they also weren't resigning their membership and engaging in performative online anguish like we're seeing now.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes. Those left redfaced and angry at the idea we might actually cut our cords with the EU three years after we voted to do so.
Let them rant and rave from the backbenches and if they VONC their own party then lets have an election without them as candidates anymore. They have no right to veto what we voted to do years ago.
In my opinion, it's because they voted Tory (or at least found the Tories acceptable) not because of their actual underlying value of protecting and reenforcing existing hierarchies of wealth and power, but because of their sales pitch of being a steady hand on the tiller. The values haven't changed, but the sales pitch has, so from their point of view everything has suddenly, inexplicably, gone to Hell in a handbasket.
Good riddance to her! I can't stand the woman and no I never backed her. I was a big fan of Cameron, voted for him in the membership election and loved going to Party Conference when he was in charge but her speech to Conference was the most vile and xenophobic nasty rant I have ever had the mispleasure to sit in. Felt like I'd somehow been transported to a BNP Conference while she was speaking.
I did cancel my membership rather than stay in her party. I was a member throughout all of Cameron's term [and had joined not long before in order to get a vote in that election to vote for a liberal Conservative] but I quit after she won.
So no, I can't stand the woman and am not surprised she failed. I look forward to a more positive, libertarian Conservative Party now that she is gone.1 -
Gee the smart money is that being firmer with the EU is what is needed to see the EU budge. Who could have seen that coming!?MarqueeMark said:
Money going on the EU folding somewhat..... Enough to give Boris a deal anyway.Chris said:On Betfair, the implied probability of Brexit by the end of the year has now shot up to nearly 50%. But the probability of No Deal by the end of the year is pretty much unchanged at under 30%.
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Remember, these people are Tories. What do you expect?surbiton19 said:
Jo Johnson comes out even worse than Amber Rudd.kle4 said:0 -
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Remember, these people are Tories. What do you expect?surbiton19 said:
Jo Johnson comes out even worse than Amber Rudd.kle4 said:
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Boris Johnson’s approval ratings are surprisingly high
But the new prime minister faces a struggle to revive the Conservative Party"
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/07/23/boris-johnsons-approval-ratings-are-surprisingly-high0 -
Johnson's forgotten that Chief Sec Treasury isn't a Cabinet job, and he's run out of posts.Harris_Tweed said:Is the lull because of an epic game of rock/paper/scissors between JRM, McVey and Johnson Minor?
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Only if you buy Johnny Foreigner quaking in their boots at this show of British steel. There are enough with more money than sense to account for it.Chris said:On Betfair, the implied probability of Brexit by the end of the year has now shot up to nearly 50%. But the probability of No Deal by the end of the year is pretty much unchanged at under 30%.
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Unfair. Boris Johnson has more children than Sajid Javid (according to a court ruling in 2013).Scott_P said:0 -
TO be fair, he has more children than the Saj.Scott_P said:0 -
Do you see the Scons going sub-20% at the next UK GE?OnboardG1 said:
The particular bit of the UK they really don't understand is Scotland. They're in deep, deep trouble up here. So are Labour of course but that ship has long sailed (and I accepted my fate in the bilges).alex. said:
This Cabinet if it understands anything, understands the problems of London, and the problems of the Southern Tory shires. Places where they either can’t win, or can’t lose. They’re obviously banking on huge swathes of Brexit favouring seats, but these aren’t areas they really understand at all.
What about at the next Holyrood GE?
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Yeah! Send her back.YBarddCwsc said:
Yes, I remember your explanation well. You changed your tune when I pointed out what the electoral law was about second home owners voting (a major problem in parts of Wales).Cyclefree said:
Dear me. I explained this a while back. I do not have a vote in Trudy Harrison’s constituency but my husband and daughter do. Daughter will not vote Tory under any circumstances and husband now won’t. He did before. So that’s one vote lost. I am in the process of moving so, depending on when the election is held, I will have a vote. It will not be for the Tories.
I know and like Trudy. But her majority is ca. 2000. A No Deal Brexit will hit Cumbria hard. Whatever her good local work she cannot count on that saving her.
Does this Cabinet look like one which gives a damn about the people of West Cumbria? Do they even know where it is or what life is like there? I doubt it.
I had suggested you were a second home owner, and you said you indignantly were not. You owned a house in Hampstead and your husband owned a house in Copeland !!!!
And you pontificate on here about the lack of straightforwardness of our political masters !!!!!!
You may or may not be right that "A No Deal Brexit will hit Cumbria hard". You may or may not be right that this Cabinet "does not give a damn about Cumbria".
But, I would rather hear that from the people of Cumbria. Let them speak for themselves. They don't need help from London, or even from very recently arrived imports to Cumbria.0 -
DIdn't she stand for a party yet during the campaign she was standing in basically say that was the wrong thing to do. Not sure that's very principled.murali_s said:
He is a Johnson after all (exceptions being the sister who seems sane and a little principled).kle4 said:0 -
Have we had transport yet?0
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Mr Barnier has said tonight that he still hopes to ratify Theresa’s WA.Philip_Thompson said:
Gee the smart money is that being firmer with the EU is what is needed to see the EU budge. Who could have seen that coming!?MarqueeMark said:
Money going on the EU folding somewhat..... Enough to give Boris a deal anyway.Chris said:On Betfair, the implied probability of Brexit by the end of the year has now shot up to nearly 50%. But the probability of No Deal by the end of the year is pretty much unchanged at under 30%.
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When it comes to betting how do you distinguish the smart money from just "money"?Philip_Thompson said:
Gee the smart money is that being firmer with the EU is what is needed to see the EU budge. Who could have seen that coming!?MarqueeMark said:
Money going on the EU folding somewhat..... Enough to give Boris a deal anyway.Chris said:On Betfair, the implied probability of Brexit by the end of the year has now shot up to nearly 50%. But the probability of No Deal by the end of the year is pretty much unchanged at under 30%.
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He's being criticised for the scale of the cull. I'm not defending the appointments of Patel and Raab, but it's at least clear what he's trying to do there from a political standpoint. Doesn't seem unreasonable to try some fresh faces outside of the great offices of state on top of that, and the only way to clear space is to sack people. Omelette, eggs, etc.Ishmael_Z said:
Doesn't really work, though, does it? Because the problems are people we know all too much about.Endillion said:Political commentators: Theresa May should be promoting talent from the Tory backbenches into Cabinet so we can see what they can do. Keeping with the old guard is damaging the future of the party.
Also political commentators: What on earth is Boris Johnson doing, firing all the failed existing cabinet ministers and promoting people we've never heard of? He's lost the plot and is damaging the party in the process.0 -
I had never heard of Alok Sharma. He sounds more like a character from Star Trek.. a Vulcan possibly?OnboardG1 said:
Buckland was a barrister and a minister who oversaw the shitstorm of our prisons. You've got me on Alok Sharma. Well done.Endillion said:
Alok Sharma and Robert Buckland. Go.OnboardG1 said:
We've heard of all of them and they're terrible.Endillion said:Political commentators: Theresa May should be promoting talent from the Tory backbenches into Cabinet so we can see what they can do. Keeping with the old guard is damaging the future of the party.
Also political commentators: What on earth is Boris Johnson doing, firing all the failed existing cabinet ministers and promoting people we've never heard of? He's lost the plot and is damaging the party in the process.
EDIT: He was solicitor general in my fact checking. For some reason Attorney General came to mind but I knew that was Geoffrey Cox.0 -
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He said that when Johnson won yesterdayStark_Dawning said:
Mr Barnier has said tonight that he still hopes to ratify Theresa’s WA.Philip_Thompson said:
Gee the smart money is that being firmer with the EU is what is needed to see the EU budge. Who could have seen that coming!?MarqueeMark said:
Money going on the EU folding somewhat..... Enough to give Boris a deal anyway.Chris said:On Betfair, the implied probability of Brexit by the end of the year has now shot up to nearly 50%. But the probability of No Deal by the end of the year is pretty much unchanged at under 30%.
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Calming down a little, perhaps Johnson has enough of the ERG roped in his ministry to allow a minor edited WA to slip through?Stark_Dawning said:
Mr Barnier has said tonight that he still hopes to ratify Theresa’s WA.Philip_Thompson said:
Gee the smart money is that being firmer with the EU is what is needed to see the EU budge. Who could have seen that coming!?MarqueeMark said:
Money going on the EU folding somewhat..... Enough to give Boris a deal anyway.Chris said:On Betfair, the implied probability of Brexit by the end of the year has now shot up to nearly 50%. But the probability of No Deal by the end of the year is pretty much unchanged at under 30%.
Does that make sense?
Obviously Steve Baker and Bill Cash will go down raging, but how many others when Patel and IDS are ringing them up and imploring them?0 -
No it wouldn't. Bercow cares nothing for procedure. As far as he is concerned the only thing that matters is what he wants. He has already shown his utter contempt for both procedure and precedent.rottenborough said:
Mogg vs Bercow will be interesting. It will be battle of the experts on arcane procedure.OnboardG1 said:
The Sun is too close. There's a nice black hole in the centre of the Galaxy that could use more bile and hatred.RochdalePioneers said:Shagger has to make Jacob sexy pants Rees-Mogg Leader of the House. Because giggles.
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The point is Cyclefree hasn't left Hampstead yet.TOPPING said:
Yeah! Send her back.YBarddCwsc said:
Yes, I remember your explanation well. You changed your tune when I pointed out what the electoral law was about second home owners voting (a major problem in parts of Wales).Cyclefree said:
Dear me. I explained this a while back. I do not have a vote in Trudy Harrison’s constituency but my husband and daughter do. Daughter will not vote Tory under any circumstances and husband now won’t. He did before. So that’s one vote lost. I am in the process of moving so, depending on when the election is held, I will have a vote. It will not be for the Tories.
I know and like Trudy. But her majority is ca. 2000. A No Deal Brexit will hit Cumbria hard. Whatever her good local work she cannot count on that saving her.
Does this Cabinet look like one which gives a damn about the people of West Cumbria? Do they even know where it is or what life is like there? I doubt it.
I had suggested you were a second home owner, and you said you indignantly were not. You owned a house in Hampstead and your husband owned a house in Copeland !!!!
And you pontificate on here about the lack of straightforwardness of our political masters !!!!!!
You may or may not be right that "A No Deal Brexit will hit Cumbria hard". You may or may not be right that this Cabinet "does not give a damn about Cumbria".
But, I would rather hear that from the people of Cumbria. Let them speak for themselves. They don't need help from London, or even from very recently arrived imports to Cumbria.
So, she can't really speak for Cumbria.
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Your accounts start getting locked, limited and banned.alex. said:
When it comes to betting how do you distinguish the smart money from just "money"?Philip_Thompson said:
Gee the smart money is that being firmer with the EU is what is needed to see the EU budge. Who could have seen that coming!?MarqueeMark said:
Money going on the EU folding somewhat..... Enough to give Boris a deal anyway.Chris said:On Betfair, the implied probability of Brexit by the end of the year has now shot up to nearly 50%. But the probability of No Deal by the end of the year is pretty much unchanged at under 30%.
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Can anyone logically explain why Michael Gove has accepted a demotion from the Cabinet?0
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I disagree with her on the death penalty, but I've not heard anything xenophobic from her like Theresa "Go Home" May.alex. said:
But just to be clear. You're a big fan of Priti Patel?Philip_Thompson said:
I oppposed May from the offset. My views on May is like @Richard_Nabavi on Boris. I despised May before she was elected and cancelled my membership after she was. She is a nasty, authoritarian, xenophobic piece of work that actually used "libertarian" as an insult in one speech!Stereotomy said:
Eh, I don't think it's really about that. Many of them (and, ahem, you, as I recall) thought that May would successfully take us out of the EU. They weren't happy but they also weren't resigning their membership and engaging in performative online anguish like we're seeing now.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes. Those left redfaced and angry at the idea we might actually cut our cords with the EU three years after we voted to do so.
Let them rant and rave from the backbenches and if they VONC their own party then lets have an election without them as candidates anymore. They have no right to veto what we voted to do years ago.
In my opinion, it's because they voted Tory (or at least found the Tories acceptable) not because of their actual underlying value of protecting and reenforcing existing hierarchies of wealth and power, but because of their sales pitch of being a steady hand on the tiller. The values haven't changed, but the sales pitch has, so from their point of view everything has suddenly, inexplicably, gone to Hell in a handbasket.
Good riddance to her! I can't stand the woman and no I never backed her. I was a big fan of Cameron, voted for him in the membership election and loved going to Party Conference when he was in charge but her speech to Conference was the most vile and xenophobic nasty rant I have ever had the mispleasure to sit in. Felt like I'd somehow been transported to a BNP Conference while she was speaking.
I did cancel my membership rather than stay in her party. I was a member throughout all of Cameron's term [and had joined not long before in order to get a vote in that election to vote for a liberal Conservative] but I quit after she won.
So no, I can't stand the woman and am not surprised she failed. I look forward to a more positive, libertarian Conservative Party now that she is gone.0 -
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Buckland was prisons minister for 76 days, and you're blaming him for... what, exactly?OnboardG1 said:
Buckland was a barrister and a minister who oversaw the shitstorm of our prisons. You've got me on Alok Sharma. Well done.Endillion said:
Alok Sharma and Robert Buckland. Go.OnboardG1 said:
We've heard of all of them and they're terrible.Endillion said:Political commentators: Theresa May should be promoting talent from the Tory backbenches into Cabinet so we can see what they can do. Keeping with the old guard is damaging the future of the party.
Also political commentators: What on earth is Boris Johnson doing, firing all the failed existing cabinet ministers and promoting people we've never heard of? He's lost the plot and is damaging the party in the process.
EDIT: He was solicitor general in my fact checking. For some reason Attorney General came to mind but I knew that was Geoffrey Cox.
To be fair, neither is exactly young, even by Tory MP standards.0 -
@Philip_Thompson
This is a cabinet that looks back at a dead empire, fearful of the world, contemptuous of our near neighbours, with hate in its heart for the world. Brexit is the clinging to a past hoping for solace from former colonies that care nothing for us.
This cabinet will break up the U.K. England will be surrounded on all sides by the EU, Scotland to the North, Ireland (maybe Wales) to the West, the Mainland of our continent to the South and East. We will have to pass through the EU to get ourselves and our goods anywhere by land or air. We cannot cut ourselves off from our closest relations for ever. We are embedded with them. This is a family tiff that will pass and we will come back with our tails between our legs a much smaller nation. You’ve lost - you just don’t realise it yet.0 -
You're thinking of Amok Sharma, aren't you?SquareRoot said:
I had never heard of Alok Sharma. He sounds more like a character from Star Trek.. a Vulcan possibly?OnboardG1 said:
Buckland was a barrister and a minister who oversaw the shitstorm of our prisons. You've got me on Alok Sharma. Well done.Endillion said:
Alok Sharma and Robert Buckland. Go.OnboardG1 said:
We've heard of all of them and they're terrible.Endillion said:Political commentators: Theresa May should be promoting talent from the Tory backbenches into Cabinet so we can see what they can do. Keeping with the old guard is damaging the future of the party.
Also political commentators: What on earth is Boris Johnson doing, firing all the failed existing cabinet ministers and promoting people we've never heard of? He's lost the plot and is damaging the party in the process.
EDIT: He was solicitor general in my fact checking. For some reason Attorney General came to mind but I knew that was Geoffrey Cox.0 -
Yepp. I was banned by Victor Chandler when I started winning too much; and Paddy Power limited me to stakes of about 50p.Pulpstar said:
Your accounts start getting locked, limited and banned.alex. said:
When it comes to betting how do you distinguish the smart money from just "money"?Philip_Thompson said:
Gee the smart money is that being firmer with the EU is what is needed to see the EU budge. Who could have seen that coming!?MarqueeMark said:
Money going on the EU folding somewhat..... Enough to give Boris a deal anyway.Chris said:On Betfair, the implied probability of Brexit by the end of the year has now shot up to nearly 50%. But the probability of No Deal by the end of the year is pretty much unchanged at under 30%.
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How do all those historians of ancient Rome manage to write their books?YBarddCwsc said:
The point is Cyclefree hasn't left Hampstead yet.TOPPING said:
Yeah! Send her back.YBarddCwsc said:
Yes, I remember your explanation well. You changed your tune when I pointed out what the electoral law was about second home owners voting (a major problem in parts of Wales).Cyclefree said:
Dear me. I explained this a while back. I do not have a vote in Trudy Harrison’s constituency but my husband and daughter do. Daughter will not vote Tory under any circumstances and husband now won’t. He did before. So that’s one vote lost. I am in the process of moving so, depending on when the election is held, I will have a vote. It will not be for the Tories.
I know and like Trudy. But her majority is ca. 2000. A No Deal Brexit will hit Cumbria hard. Whatever her good local work she cannot count on that saving her.
Does this Cabinet look like one which gives a damn about the people of West Cumbria? Do they even know where it is or what life is like there? I doubt it.
I had suggested you were a second home owner, and you said you indignantly were not. You owned a house in Hampstead and your husband owned a house in Copeland !!!!
And you pontificate on here about the lack of straightforwardness of our political masters !!!!!!
You may or may not be right that "A No Deal Brexit will hit Cumbria hard". You may or may not be right that this Cabinet "does not give a damn about Cumbria".
But, I would rather hear that from the people of Cumbria. Let them speak for themselves. They don't need help from London, or even from very recently arrived imports to Cumbria.
So, she can't really speak for Cumbria.0 -
Is it true that Jacob Rees-Mogg was asking if Olly Stone and Joe Root could be brought into the Cabinet, because he heard that between them, they'd managed to remove the Irish backstop earlier today?0
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Not everyone on PB is anti-Boris M'lud!rottenborough said:Is this a reference to some us on PB?
https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1154137690213879816
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With their dicks. Or some sort of dick substitute.GIN1138 said:0 -
I still see Boris bottling No Deal. How he does it - and how his little soldiers will undertake the mental gymnastics needed to accept it - remains to be seen, but it should be an interesting spectacle.rottenborough said:
Calming down a little, perhaps Johnson has enough of the ERG roped in his ministry to allow a minor edited WA to slip through?Stark_Dawning said:
Mr Barnier has said tonight that he still hopes to ratify Theresa’s WA.Philip_Thompson said:
Gee the smart money is that being firmer with the EU is what is needed to see the EU budge. Who could have seen that coming!?MarqueeMark said:
Money going on the EU folding somewhat..... Enough to give Boris a deal anyway.Chris said:On Betfair, the implied probability of Brexit by the end of the year has now shot up to nearly 50%. But the probability of No Deal by the end of the year is pretty much unchanged at under 30%.
Does that make sense?
Obviously Steve Baker and Bill Cash will go down raging, but how many others when Patel and IDS are ringing them up and imploring them?0 -
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Yeah that's fair. I remember him being on the news after some Prisons bust up and assumed he'd been there for longer. Hence why I was getting him mixed up with Geoff Cox. In my defence, I had heard of him.Endillion said:
Buckland was prisons minister for 76 days, and you're blaming him for... what, exactly?OnboardG1 said:
Buckland was a barrister and a minister who oversaw the shitstorm of our prisons. You've got me on Alok Sharma. Well done.Endillion said:
Alok Sharma and Robert Buckland. Go.OnboardG1 said:
We've heard of all of them and they're terrible.Endillion said:Political commentators: Theresa May should be promoting talent from the Tory backbenches into Cabinet so we can see what they can do. Keeping with the old guard is damaging the future of the party.
Also political commentators: What on earth is Boris Johnson doing, firing all the failed existing cabinet ministers and promoting people we've never heard of? He's lost the plot and is damaging the party in the process.
EDIT: He was solicitor general in my fact checking. For some reason Attorney General came to mind but I knew that was Geoffrey Cox.
To be fair, neither is exactly young, even by Tory MP standards.0 -
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24778/priti_patel/witham/votesPhilip_Thompson said:
I disagree with her on the death penalty, but I've not heard anything xenophobic from her like Theresa "Go Home" May.alex. said:
But just to be clear. You're a big fan of Priti Patel?Philip_Thompson said:
I oppposed May from the offset. My views on May is like @Richard_Nabavi on Boris. I despised May before she was elected and cancelled my membership after she was. She is a nasty, authoritarian, xenophobic piece of work that actually used "libertarian" as an insult in one speech!Stereotomy said:
Eh, I don't think it's really about that. Many of them (and, ahem, you, as I recall) thought that May would successfully take us out of the EU. They weren't happy but they also weren't resigning their membership and engaging in performative online anguish like we're seeing now.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes. Those left redfaced and angry at the idea we might actually cut our cords with the EU three years after we voted to do so.
Let them rant and rave from the backbenches and if they VONC their own party then lets have an election without them as candidates anymore. They have no right to veto what we voted to do years ago.
In my opinion, it's because they voted Tory (or at least found the Tories acceptable) not because of their actual underlying value of protecting and reenforcing existing hierarchies of wealth and power, but because of their sales pitch of being a steady hand on the tiller. The values haven't changed, but the sales pitch has, so from their point of view everything has suddenly, inexplicably, gone to Hell in a handbasket.
Good riddance to her! I can't stand the woman and no I never backed her. I was a big fan of Cameron, voted for him in the membership election and loved going to Party Conference when he was in charge but her speech to Conference was the most vile and xenophobic nasty rant I have ever had the mispleasure to sit in. Felt like I'd somehow been transported to a BNP Conference while she was speaking.
I did cancel my membership rather than stay in her party. I was a member throughout all of Cameron's term [and had joined not long before in order to get a vote in that election to vote for a liberal Conservative] but I quit after she won.
So no, I can't stand the woman and am not surprised she failed. I look forward to a more positive, libertarian Conservative Party now that she is gone.
Not much of a liberal streak evident in there.0 -
But as I have said before I didn't vote at all in 2017 but I know a lot of people who did vote Labour then but won't do again. I don't think we are going to have to wait long before finding out who is right.justin124 said:
That is fair enough , but you have admitted that you did not vote Labour in 2017 when 41% did. On that basis, your views are not new.!OllyT said:
I take no pleasure in the present situation I would love nothing better than be able to rejoin Labour under a centre left leader and I would love to see them heading towards a GE victory. However I cannot vote for a Labour Party led by Corbyn and the 4 Ms. I doubt I am alone and the consequence is likely to be a Johnson majority on about 35% of the vote.justin124 said:
I have a real dilemma as I live in in Lab/Con marginal and I like our MP but can't vote for him without the Corbynistas claiming it as vote for Corbyn. Be Lib Dem for me next time and I hope that another defeat will bring Labour to its senses.0 -
For all my disagreements with your Brexit position, I think you're dead right on that. I don't think Patel is Xenophobic, certainly not in the way May was.Philip_Thompson said:
I disagree with her on the death penalty, but I've not heard anything xenophobic from her like Theresa "Go Home" May.alex. said:
But just to be clear. You're a big fan of Priti Patel?Philip_Thompson said:
I oppposed May from the offset. My views on May is like @Richard_Nabavi on Boris. I despised May before she was elected and cancelled my membership after she was. She is a nasty, authoritarian, xenophobic piece of work that actually used "libertarian" as an insult in one speech!Stereotomy said:
Eh, I don't think it's really about that. Many of them (and, ahem, you, as I recall) thought that May would successfully take us out of the EU. They weren't happy but they also weren't resigning their membership and engaging in performative online anguish like we're seeing now.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes. Those left redfaced and angry at the idea we might actually cut our cords with the EU three years after we voted to do so.
Let them rant and rave from the backbenches and if they VONC their own party then lets have an election without them as candidates anymore. They have no right to veto what we voted to do years ago.
In my opinion, it's because they voted Tory (or at least found the Tories acceptable) not because of their actual underlying value of protecting and reenforcing existing hierarchies of wealth and power, but because of their sales pitch of being a steady hand on the tiller. The values haven't changed, but the sales pitch has, so from their point of view everything has suddenly, inexplicably, gone to Hell in a handbasket.
Good riddance to her! I can't stand the woman and no I never backed her. I was a big fan of Cameron, voted for him in the membership election and loved going to Party Conference when he was in charge but her speech to Conference was the most vile and xenophobic nasty rant I have ever had the mispleasure to sit in. Felt like I'd somehow been transported to a BNP Conference while she was speaking.
I did cancel my membership rather than stay in her party. I was a member throughout all of Cameron's term [and had joined not long before in order to get a vote in that election to vote for a liberal Conservative] but I quit after she won.
So no, I can't stand the woman and am not surprised she failed. I look forward to a more positive, libertarian Conservative Party now that she is gone.0 -
I thought JRM might get that one.Scott_P said:0 -
He is, genuinely it seems, too useful a colleague to not have in government in some capacity, but is not good with his scheming and personal relationships. Last time there was a switch he was out on his ear entirely, and it took time to work his way back in and be useful. By accepting a lesser position he can at least be of some use, and may well work his way back up to full Cabinet again in a shorter space of time, whilst still being punished for his past transgressions against the Bozziah.alex. said:Can anyone logically explain why Michael Gove has accepted a demotion from the Cabinet?
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That was Alastair's excellent quip in his recent "Year of Three PMs" header.Andy_Cooke said:Where was it that I saw the line: "Not so much a Government of all the talents as a Cabinet of half the wits"?
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Did not the reasoning for her support of the death penalty on that infamous QT not give you pause for thought?Philip_Thompson said:
I disagree with her on the death penalty, but I've not heard anything xenophobic from her like Theresa "Go Home" May.alex. said:
But just to be clear. You're a big fan of Priti Patel?Philip_Thompson said:
I oppposed May from the offset. My views on May is like @Richard_Nabavi on Boris. I despised May before she was elected and cancelled my membership after she was. She is a nasty, authoritarian, xenophobic piece of work that actually used "libertarian" as an insult in one speech!Stereotomy said:
Eh, I don't think it's really about that. Many of them (and, ahem, you, as I recall) thought that May would successfully take us out of the EU. They weren't happy but they also weren't resigning their membership and engaging in performative online anguish like we're seeing now.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes. Those left redfaced and angry at the idea we might actually cut our cords with the EU three years after we voted to do so.
Let them rant and rave from the backbenches and if they VONC their own party then lets have an election without them as candidates anymore. They have no right to veto what we voted to do years ago.
In my opinion, it's because they voted Tory (or at least found the Tories acceptable) not because of their actual underlying value of protecting and reenforcing existing hierarchies of wealth and power, but because of their sales pitch of being a steady hand on the tiller. The values haven't changed, but the sales pitch has, so from their point of view everything has suddenly, inexplicably, gone to Hell in a handbasket.
Good riddance to her! I can't stand the woman and no I never backed her. I was a big fan of Cameron, voted for him in the membership election and loved going to Party Conference when he was in charge but her speech to Conference was the most vile and xenophobic nasty rant I have ever had the mispleasure to sit in. Felt like I'd somehow been transported to a BNP Conference while she was speaking.
I did cancel my membership rather than stay in her party. I was a member throughout all of Cameron's term [and had joined not long before in order to get a vote in that election to vote for a liberal Conservative] but I quit after she won.
So no, I can't stand the woman and am not surprised she failed. I look forward to a more positive, libertarian Conservative Party now that she is gone.0 -
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Can only be trolling. Was a position he was expected to refuse and thus be humiliatingly returned to the backbenches.alex. said:Can anyone logically explain why Michael Gove has accepted a demotion from the Cabinet?
Now he can sow discord from inside the tent. And take over when it comes crashing down.
That's my take.0 -
Well, well ,well who expected this. Every wet drip centrist, managerial waste of space has been asked to leave. People that actually hold political beliefs have replaced them.
The age of grey, boring managerial politics is over for the next 3 months at least and that is a good thing.0 -
He has a cabinet chock full of Brexiters. It should be a doddle to get the WA through.Stark_Dawning said:
I still see Boris bottling No Deal. How he does it - and how his little soldiers will undertake the mental gymnastics needed to accept it - remains to be seen, but it should be an interesting spectacle.rottenborough said:
Calming down a little, perhaps Johnson has enough of the ERG roped in his ministry to allow a minor edited WA to slip through?Stark_Dawning said:
Mr Barnier has said tonight that he still hopes to ratify Theresa’s WA.Philip_Thompson said:
Gee the smart money is that being firmer with the EU is what is needed to see the EU budge. Who could have seen that coming!?MarqueeMark said:
Money going on the EU folding somewhat..... Enough to give Boris a deal anyway.Chris said:On Betfair, the implied probability of Brexit by the end of the year has now shot up to nearly 50%. But the probability of No Deal by the end of the year is pretty much unchanged at under 30%.
Does that make sense?
Obviously Steve Baker and Bill Cash will go down raging, but how many others when Patel and IDS are ringing them up and imploring them?0 -
'The money that agrees with my desired outcome MUST be smart.'alex. said:
When it comes to betting how do you distinguish the smart money from just "money"?Philip_Thompson said:
Gee the smart money is that being firmer with the EU is what is needed to see the EU budge. Who could have seen that coming!?MarqueeMark said:
Money going on the EU folding somewhat..... Enough to give Boris a deal anyway.Chris said:On Betfair, the implied probability of Brexit by the end of the year has now shot up to nearly 50%. But the probability of No Deal by the end of the year is pretty much unchanged at under 30%.
Does that make sense?1
