Johnson's radical ruthlessness is sending a message to the electorate and also to Brussels.
Brussels already has the measure of people like Johnson and Raab. They don’t trust them.
They have prepared better for No Deal and will then wait to pick off what is best from Britain in the aftermath. They have the upper hand and they know it. As does Canada. And the US and all the other countries who can see that Truss and Boris will be desperate for deals.
I have to say I think that Johnson has been politically very smart indeed. This Cabinet all but guarantees a big swing from BXP to the Tories. How can Farage not endorse it? With a split opposition he has to be a huge favourite to win the next election. The only spanner in the works is that what Johnson has done is so extreme that it may galvanise non-Tories to be very careful with their votes. I can see a scenario where Labour keeps most of its English seats, while the LDs pick up quite a few in the SE and SW, as well as some in Scotland. I am more confident that the LDs will do well than Labour will, but it could happen.
Corbyn's departure is the only game changer, otherwise it's going to be Johnson win as the opposition fragments as it did in the Foot v Alliance years. The consequences of Labour members electing Corbyn become more tragic as each day passes.
With respect, you probably had similar expectations in Spring 2017! I certainly did - and was proved wrong.
If you believe that Corbyn is going to pull that off again good luck to you. Times have changed.
Dissatisfaction with him amongst members has gone from 19% to 45%. The Lib Dems are rising - 4% ahead of Labour nationally according to today's poll so Labour are no longer the only anti-Tory option. Millions of remainers that voted Labour in 2017 are not going to fall for it a second time whatever Corbyn and his cabal might say on the last minute.
FPTP is about all that is keeping Labour in the game right now, without it they would sink as they did in the Euros. Their record in recent local government by elections is not that of a party that is heading towards an overall majority.
Striking thing so far is the number of retreads who left for reasons of scandal or general uselessness. Is it because the talent pool is that empty, or is BJ the PM after people who are too compromised to argue back at him? Neither is a good look.
Yes all the names so far (except the guy at Defense no on has ever heard of) are people who have been on the scene for years and years.
I was expecting Cabinet promotions for quite a few of the 2015 in take but doesn't look like it's happening.
Maybe Boris wants known names for the general election?
Perhaps- though a campaign consisting of BorisBorisBORIS is both what the leader probably wants and their best bet, frankly.
And whilst Patel, Williamson, Shapps(?!) et all are known, it's for the wrong reasons, surely.
Striking thing so far is the number of retreads who left for reasons of scandal or general uselessness. Is it because the talent pool is that empty, or is BJ the PM after people who are too compromised to argue back at him? Neither is a good look.
Yes all the names so far (except the guy at Defense no on has ever heard of) are people who have been on the scene for years and years.
I was expecting Cabinet promotions for quite a few of the 2015 in take but doesn't look like it's happening.
Maybe Boris wants known names for the general election?
Perhaps- though a campaign consisting of BorisBorisBORIS is both what the leader probably wants and their best bet, frankly.
And whilst Patel, Williamson, Shapps(?!) et all are known, it's for the wrong reasons, surely.
Interesting chart. The Tories are losing votes to the Lib Dems as quickly as they are regaining them from the Brexit Party.
Astonishing that only 1% are going to Labour.
Blair’s entire strategy was about capturing votes direct from the Conservatives.
Don’t screw up, Jo.
What is the mindset of a Tory 2017 voter switching to Labour now?
The Tories have become a party with an incompetent leader, with aims but no realistic policies to deliver, indulges in occassional casual racism, appoints only his friends and youngsters with no experience.
Lets switch to a party with an incompetent leader, with aims but no realistic policies to deliver, indulges in occassional casual racism, appoints only his friends and youngsters with no experience.
I have to say I think that Johnson has been politically very smart indeed. This Cabinet all but guarantees a big swing from BXP to the Tories. How can Farage not endorse it? With a split opposition he has to be a huge favourite to win the next election. The only spanner in the works is that what Johnson has done is so extreme that it may galvanise non-Tories to be very careful with their votes. I can see a scenario where Labour keeps most of its English seats, while the LDs pick up quite a few in the SE and SW, as well as some in Scotland. I am more confident that the LDs will do well than Labour will, but it could happen.
Corbyn's departure is the only game changer, otherwise it's going to be Johnson win as the opposition fragments as it did in the Foot v Alliance years. The consequences of Labour members electing Corbyn become more tragic as each day passes.
With respect, you probably had similar expectations in Spring 2017! I certainly did - and was proved wrong.
If you believe that Corbyn is going to pull that off again good luck to you. Times have changed.
Dissatisfaction with him amongst members has gone from 19% to 45%. The Lib Dems are rising - 4% ahead of Labour nationally according to today's poll so Labour are no longer the only anti-Tory option. Millions of remainers that voted Labour in 2017 are not going to fall for it a second time whatever Corbyn and his cabal might say on the last minute.
FPTP is about all that is keeping Labour in the game right now, without it they would sink as they did in the Euros. Their record in recent local government by elections is not that of a party that is heading towards an overall majority.
It is a mistake to get too obsessed with Yougov - or indeed any single pollster. Most polls have Labour in first or second place with the Libdems at 15%/16%. I am not a Corbynite - and will spoil my ballot paper , albeit for unrelated reasons.
On topic, I think the key to the 'election this year' punt is Boris hiring Dominic Cummings. If he's not there to oversee a campaign then I'm a Dutchman (I am not a Dutchman).
Evens is value.
Also, can I just say how cross I am about Priti Patel coming back into cabinet? Every other fuckup any resigning minister has made is more forgivable than running a parallel foreign policy without civil service bods in the meeting or FCO clearance.
Further off topic, why are all the girls upset with all the boys on Love Island? I must confess to being out of the loop.
Striking thing so far is the number of retreads who left for reasons of scandal or general uselessness. Is it because the talent pool is that empty, or is BJ the PM after people who are too compromised to argue back at him? Neither is a good look.
Yes all the names so far (except the guy at Defense no on has ever heard of) are people who have been on the scene for years and years.
I was expecting Cabinet promotions for quite a few of the 2015 in take but doesn't look like it's happening.
Maybe Boris wants known names for the general election?
Perhaps- though a campaign consisting of BorisBorisBORIS is both what the leader probably wants and their best bet, frankly.
And whilst Patel, Williamson, Shapps(?!) et all are known, it's for the wrong reasons, surely.
Michael Green's back?
Downthread, there was a Sam Coates tweet rumouring that he's got Transport.
Striking thing so far is the number of retreads who left for reasons of scandal or general uselessness. Is it because the talent pool is that empty, or is BJ the PM after people who are too compromised to argue back at him? Neither is a good look.
Yes all the names so far (except the guy at Defense no on has ever heard of) are people who have been on the scene for years and years.
I was expecting Cabinet promotions for quite a few of the 2015 in take but doesn't look like it's happening.
Maybe Boris wants known names for the general election?
Perhaps- though a campaign consisting of BorisBorisBORIS is both what the leader probably wants and their best bet, frankly.
And whilst Patel, Williamson, Shapps(?!) et all are known, it's for the wrong reasons, surely.
Michael Green's back?
Downthread, there was a Sam Coates tweet rumouring that he's got Transport.
If you believe that Corbyn is going to pull that off again good luck to you. Times have changed.
Dissatisfaction with him amongst members has gone from 19% to 45%. The Lib Dems are rising - 4% ahead of Labour nationally according to today's poll so Labour are no longer the only anti-Tory option. Millions of remainers that voted Labour in 2017 are not going to fall for it a second time whatever Corbyn and his cabal might say on the last minute.
FPTP is about all that is keeping Labour in the game right now, without it they would sink as they did in the Euros. Their record in recent local government by elections is not that of a party that is heading towards an overall majority.
It is a mistake to get too obsessed with Yougov - or indeed any single pollster. Most polls have Labour in first or second place with the Libdems at 15%/16%. I am not a Corbynite - and will spoil my ballot paper , albeit for unrelated reasons.
Especially as "today's poll" turned out to be over two weeks old.
In view of this new cabinet why is Corbyn ducking a vonc this week
He must know he could see huge loses to the Lib Dems and to the conservatives in leave seats
With the exception of Yougiv the polls are implying Labour gains from the Tories - and very few seats at risk to the Libdems. Very fluid at moment though.
Given that the tens of thousands immigration target was all TM can you see Boris quietly dropping it with the 'points based system' being the new proposed policy?
Can the hard left entitled remoaners such as cyclefree stop whining and recognise what is good for Britain! I am surprised roger and Tyson arent on too.
Good news HYUFD and I are here to represent voice of reason
#priti
Hard left?! Me? I think you may have confused me with a member of the Labour party.
The last thing this government is concerned about is the interests of the country.
Still I am sure hard Brexiteers like you will be volunteering to be the first to lose your jobs and be last in the queue for medicines. After all you wouldn’t want us to think that you’re the sort of hypocrite who is happy for others to suffer but unwilling to endure the pain themselves, would you?
I think you mightt find this piece on No Deal Brexiters interesting. Inity is a long way off.
If you believe that Corbyn is going to pull that off again good luck to you. Times have changed.
Dissatisfaction with him amongst members has gone from 19% to 45%. The Lib Dems are rising - 4% ahead of Labour nationally according to today's poll so Labour are no longer the only anti-Tory option. Millions of remainers that voted Labour in 2017 are not going to fall for it a second time whatever Corbyn and his cabal might say on the last minute.
FPTP is about all that is keeping Labour in the game right now, without it they would sink as they did in the Euros. Their record in recent local government by elections is not that of a party that is heading towards an overall majority.
It is a mistake to get too obsessed with Yougov - or indeed any single pollster. Most polls have Labour in first or second place with the Libdems at 15%/16%. I am not a Corbynite - and will spoil my ballot paper , albeit for unrelated reasons.
Especially as "today's poll" turned out to be over two weeks old.
If you believe that Corbyn is going to pull that off again good luck to you. Times have changed.
Dissatisfaction with him amongst members has gone from 19% to 45%. The Lib Dems are rising - 4% ahead of Labour nationally according to today's poll so Labour are no longer the only anti-Tory option. Millions of remainers that voted Labour in 2017 are not going to fall for it a second time whatever Corbyn and his cabal might say on the last minute.
FPTP is about all that is keeping Labour in the game right now, without it they would sink as they did in the Euros. Their record in recent local government by elections is not that of a party that is heading towards an overall majority.
It is a mistake to get too obsessed with Yougov - or indeed any single pollster. Most polls have Labour in first or second place with the Libdems at 15%/16%. I am not a Corbynite - and will spoil my ballot paper , albeit for unrelated reasons.
Especially as "today's poll" turned out to be over two weeks old.
If you believe that Corbyn is going to pull that off again good luck to you. Times have changed.
Dissatisfaction with him amongst members has gone from 19% to 45%. The Lib Dems are rising - 4% ahead of Labour nationally according to today's poll so Labour are no longer the only anti-Tory option. Millions of remainers that voted Labour in 2017 are not going to fall for it a second time whatever Corbyn and his cabal might say on the last minute.
FPTP is about all that is keeping Labour in the game right now, without it they would sink as they did in the Euros. Their record in recent local government by elections is not that of a party that is heading towards an overall majority.
It is a mistake to get too obsessed with Yougov - or indeed any single pollster. Most polls have Labour in first or second place with the Libdems at 15%/16%. I am not a Corbynite - and will spoil my ballot paper , albeit for unrelated reasons.
Especially as "today's poll" turned out to be over two weeks old.
Johnson's radical ruthlessness is sending a message to the electorate and also to Brussels.
Brussels already has the measure of people like Johnson and Raab. They don’t trust them.
They have prepared better for No Deal and will then wait to pick off what is best from Britain in the aftermath. They have the upper hand and they know it. As does Canada. And the US and all the other countries who can see that Truss and Boris will be desperate for deals.
The only good bit of this Cabinet of the Worst will be watching them collide with the Real World.
Unlike when May sneaked in, this feels like a proper change of government. It also feels like it’s here to stay.
It feels like I have been here before, late 70s early 80s. So it feels like I know exactly what happens next from this similar political alignment. Just because you personally feel politician, their views or policies are beyond the pale doesn’t mean they don’t go on winning landslide victories
On topic. No election this side of delivering brexit. I am bewildered by number of people who think there will be. Have you all lost you betting brain? Boris needs time and a brexit to own enough of the leaver vote to be able to call that election. He doesn’t have them this summer, he will next spring. Once brexit delivered the leave plurality will all turn out for Boris. That alone doesn’t deliver Boris his landslide, but the bigger majority of votes going to Labour, Lib Dem, BP and Green in a manner where they fight each other for those votes and don’t exchange them due to bad blood between them delivers Boris the Landslide next Spring. Lib Dem remainers voting for toxic Corbyn, and Labour lending votes to the turncoats who enabled Osbornes austerity to happen. Seriously?
Delivering brexit will not be nearly as challenging as people claim. EU will want to avoid no deal, and allow brexit to happen with plenty still to be discussed and agreed, this is what will happen. This buys Boris 6 to 15 months of triumph until he needs not just a brexit but a good one. In that period he wins the landslide against split opposition knocking each other out. Just like 83 and 87 all over again.
Further on from that, I don’t for one moment believe an easy Brexit will be delivered and Global Britain get off to a flying start when the transition from EU comes to a close. But Boris will still own the Leaver plurality, and alongs the votes against him still evenly split and cancelling each other out he can go on winning.
If you believe that Corbyn is going to pull that off again good luck to you. Times have changed.
Dissatisfaction with him amongst members has gone from 19% to 45%. The Lib Dems are rising - 4% ahead of Labour nationally according to today's poll so Labour are no longer the only anti-Tory option. Millions of remainers that voted Labour in 2017 are not going to fall for it a second time whatever Corbyn and his cabal might say on the last minute.
FPTP is about all that is keeping Labour in the game right now, without it they would sink as they did in the Euros. Their record in recent local government by elections is not that of a party that is heading towards an overall majority.
It is a mistake to get too obsessed with Yougov - or indeed any single pollster. Most polls have Labour in first or second place with the Libdems at 15%/16%. I am not a Corbynite - and will spoil my ballot paper , albeit for unrelated reasons.
Especially as "today's poll" turned out to be over two weeks old.
Just wondering, Mr HY.... but how is it going down with the rank and file Conservative that three of the top political posts are held by two Indians and and an Israeli? While the top post of all is held by a person of Turkish descent?
Just wondering.........
I hadn't realised that Raab was [German origin] Jewish, but how does that make him Israeli?
Quite. Nor are Javid and Patel "Indians". I don't run around calling people racist, but I think that was a very weird comment.
It is a mistake to get too obsessed with Yougov - or indeed any single pollster. Most polls have Labour in first or second place with the Libdems at 15%/16%. I am not a Corbynite - and will spoil my ballot paper , albeit for unrelated reasons.
Absolutely. After all, every other pollster massively overstates Labour and understates the Lib Dems when it comes to real elections.
What percentage of the cabinet have had serious issues over lying/misrepresentation?
Johnson - sacked for making up a story as journalist Patel - ran her own foreign policy and misled over it - sacked Williamson - accused of leaking and misleading - sacked Leadsom - accused of exagerrated CV in previous leadership contest Jenrick - accused of claiming to be entrepreneur when never ran his own business Shapps - alter ego Michael Green
Any more? Good luck to whoever is in charge of ethics with this lot.
He has just made 17+ enemies who will make his life hell, with no majority in parliament.
I actually wonder if Boris is a deluded fantasist? He is gambling everything on winning and getting his way but what will be the cost if these poor decisions end in disaster? You do not run a successful country by taking risks with such unpalatable downsides. It is illogical.
Unlike when May sneaked in, this feels like a proper change of government. It also feels like it’s here to stay.
It feels like I have been here before, late 70s early 80s. So it feels like I know exactly what happens next from this similar political alignment. Just because you personally feel politician, their views or policies are beyond the pale doesn’t mean they don’t go on winning landslide victories
On topic. No election this side of delivering brexit. I am bewildered by number of people who think there will be. Have you all lost you betting brain? Boris needs time and a brexit to own enough of the leaver vote to be able to call that election. He doesn’t have them this summer, he will next spring. Once brexit delivered the leave plurality will all turn out for Boris. That alone doesn’t deliver Boris his landslide, but the bigger majority of votes going to Labour, Lib Dem, BP and Green in a manner where they fight each other for those votes and don’t exchange them due to bad blood between them delivers Boris the Landslide next Spring. Lib Dem remainers voting for toxic Corbyn, and Labour lending votes to the turncoats who enabled Osbornes austerity to happen. Seriously?
Delivering brexit will not be nearly as challenging as people claim. EU will want to avoid no deal, and allow brexit to happen with plenty still to be discussed and agreed, this is what will happen. This buys Boris 6 to 15 months of triumph until he needs not just a brexit but a good one. In that period he wins the landslide against split opposition knocking each other out. Just like 83 and 87 all over again.
Further on from that, I don’t for one moment believe an easy Brexit will be delivered and Global Britain get off to a flying start when the transition from EU comes to a close. But Boris will still own the Leaver plurality, and alongs the votes against him still evenly split and cancelling each other out he can go on winning.
Whatever bounce materialises, it appears unlikely that Boris will build anything like the poll lead enjoyed by May in Spring 2017 - or by Thatcher in the period leading up to the 83 and 87 elections.
What percentage of the cabinet have had serious issues over lying/misrepresentation?
Johnson - sacked for making up a story as journalist Patel - ran her own foreign policy and misled over it - sacked Williamson - accused of leaking and misleading - sacked Leadsom - accused of exagerrated CV in previous leadership contest Jenrick - accused of claiming to be entrepreneur when never ran his own business Shapps - alter ego Michael Green
Any more? Good luck to whoever is in charge of ethics with this lot.
Johnson has been sacked for lying on more than one occasion. And I think grovelled to keep his job on a couple of others.
Can the hard left entitled remoaners such as cyclefree stop whining and recognise what is good for Britain! I am surprised roger and Tyson arent on too.
Good news HYUFD and I are here to represent voice of reason
#priti
Hard left?! Me? I think you may have confused me with a member of the Labour party.
The last thing this government is concerned about is the interests of the country.
Still I am sure hard Brexiteers like you will be volunteering to be the first to lose your jobs and be last in the queue for medicines. After all you wouldn’t want us to think that you’re the sort of hypocrite who is happy for others to suffer but unwilling to endure the pain themselves, would you?
If one is far enough to the right, all of us seem hard left, rather in the way that people who have never left Kansas assume that everyone in Britain knows each other. (Welcome to the revolution, comrade Cyclefree.)
Hello Cyclefree I was in one of 'your' constituencies Copeland yesterday. They love your views there. Are you going to take the opportunity to vote labour there??
They will not love the damage a No Deal Brexit will do their area. The Tory MP has a very small majority. She’ll be out on her ear.
That Tory MP has ‘owned’ the retaining of maternity services at the west Cumberland hospital. She will be hard to budge. She’s liked. And if she can persuade the new gvt to underwrite the nuclear development at sellafield she’ll be going nowhere.
Copeland, a labour council for decades now has an indie elected mayor. Who just got re elected, the constituency is now stomping Tory, it’s County council local committee of cllrs is now also Tory.
Unlike when May sneaked in, this feels like a proper change of government. It also feels like it’s here to stay.
On topic. No election this side of delivering brexit. I am bewildered by number of people who think there will be. Have you all lost you betting brain? Boris needs time and a brexit to own enough of the leaver vote to be able to call that election. He doesn’t have them this summer, he will next spring. Once brexit delivered the leave plurality will all turn out for Boris.
No. It feels very, very temporary.
He has to hold an election before the voters find out just how shit No Deal really is.
Just wondering, Mr HY.... but how is it going down with the rank and file Conservative that three of the top political posts are held by two Indians and and an Israeli? While the top post of all is held by a person of Turkish descent?
Just wondering.........
I hadn't realised that Raab was [German origin] Jewish, but how does that make him Israeli?
Quite. Nor are Javid and Patel "Indians". I don't run around calling people racist, but I think that was a very weird comment.
Can the hard left entitled remoaners such as cyclefree stop whining and recognise what is good for Britain! I am surprised roger and Tyson arent on too.
Good news HYUFD and I are here to represent voice of reason
#priti
Hard left?! Me? I think you may have confused me with a member of the Labour party.
The last thing this government is concerned about is the interests of the country.
Still I am sure hard Brexiteers like you will be volunteering to be the first to lose your jobs and be last in the queue for medicines. After all you wouldn’t want us to think that you’re the sort of hypocrite who is happy for others to suffer but unwilling to endure the pain themselves, would you?
I think you mightt find this piece on No Deal Brexiters interesting. Inity is a long way off.
I take no pleasure in the present situation I would love nothing better than be able to rejoin Labour under a centre left leader and I would love to see them heading towards a GE victory. However I cannot vote for a Labour Party led by Corbyn and the 4 Ms. I doubt I am alone and the consequence is likely to be a Johnson majority on about 35% of the vote.
Just wondering, Mr HY.... but how is it going down with the rank and file Conservative that three of the top political posts are held by two Indians and and an Israeli? While the top post of all is held by a person of Turkish descent?
Just wondering.........
I hadn't realised that Raab was [German origin] Jewish, but how does that make him Israeli?
Quite. Nor are Javid and Patel "Indians". I don't run around calling people racist, but I think that was a very weird comment.
Can the hard left entitled remoaners such as cyclefree stop whining and recognise what is good for Britain! I am surprised roger and Tyson arent on too.
Good news HYUFD and I are here to represent voice of reason
#priti
Hard left?! Me? I think you may have confused me with a member of the Labour party.
The last thing this government is concerned about is the interests of the country.
Still I am sure hard Brexiteers like you will be volunteering to be the first to lose your jobs and be last in the queue for medicines. After all you wouldn’t want us to think that you’re the sort of hypocrite who is happy for others to suffer but unwilling to endure the pain themselves, would you?
If one is far enough to the right, all of us seem hard left, rather in the way that people who have never left Kansas assume that everyone in Britain knows each other. (Welcome to the revolution, comrade Cyclefree.)
Hello Cyclefree I was in one of 'your' constituencies Copeland yesterday. They love your views there. Are you going to take the opportunity to vote labour there??
They will not love the damage a No Deal Brexit will do their area. The Tory MP has a very small majority. She’ll be out on her ear.
That Tory MP has ‘owned’ the retaining of maternity services at the west Cumberland hospital. She will be hard to budge. She’s liked. And if she can persuade the get to underwrite the nuclear development at sellafield she’ll be going nowhere.
Copeland, a labour council for decades now has an indie elected mayor. Who just got re elected, the constituency is now stomping Tory, it’s County council local committee of cllrs is now also Tory.
And finally, Cyclefree (by her own admission) does not live in Copeland and so should but be voting there.
I am very surprised and disappointed with Boris cabinet
Not at all happy at ditching Hunt and Penny
Also I do not see the unity he extolled in his choices
This must be a cabinet for an Autumn GE
I am always interested on how you view these things.
Are you one step closer to quitting the party today?
I am dismayed about the new Government. I cannot help but fear the worst for the country! Boris is going to gamble everything on his Brexit, the downside is too great and a lot of people will suffer. It is interesting the people who have worked with him, MPs and the like have grave misgivings about his judgement. He will sink us all with his deluded fantasy....
Johnson's radical ruthlessness is sending a message to the electorate and also to Brussels.
Brussels already has the measure of people like Johnson and Raab. They don’t trust them.
They have prepared better for No Deal and will then wait to pick off what is best from Britain in the aftermath. They have the upper hand and they know it. As does Canada. And the US and all the other countries who can see that Truss and Boris will be desperate for deals.
Striking thing so far is the number of retreads who left for reasons of scandal or general uselessness. Is it because the talent pool is that empty, or is BJ the PM after people who are too compromised to argue back at him? Neither is a good look.
I think it shows Johnson's limited knowledge of the new intake. Between plotting, bedding mistresses and time abroad as FCO wallah he has had little time to get to know the newbies.
I suspect that he is pretty relaxed about people sacked for treachery and mendacity, after all it would be hypocritical otherwise!
Johnson's radical ruthlessness is sending a message to the electorate and also to Brussels.
Brussels already has the measure of people like Johnson and Raab. They don’t trust them.
They have prepared better for No Deal and will then wait to pick off what is best from Britain in the aftermath. They have the upper hand and they know it. As does Canada. And the US and all the other countries who can see that Truss and Boris will be desperate for deals.
The only good bit of this Cabinet of the Worst will be watching them collide with the Real World.
It’s a pity we have to be the passengers in the bus while they crash it.
Johnson's radical ruthlessness is sending a message to the electorate and also to Brussels.
Brussels already has the measure of people like Johnson and Raab. They don’t trust them.
They have prepared better for No Deal and will then wait to pick off what is best from Britain in the aftermath. They have the upper hand and they know it. As does Canada. And the US and all the other countries who can see that Truss and Boris will be desperate for deals.
The only good bit of this Cabinet of the Worst will be watching them collide with the Real World.
At the risk of repeating myself, Brussels be like the lighthouse guy..
Mainly because the cabinet is a cabinet of 'fully signed up' members. There's no attempt to bring the conservative party together and he knows that his enemies in the party will bring him down rather than have no deal. I think that it'd be hard for a lot of conservative MPs to go into an election where no-deal is in the manifesto. He can only do this if he can pin the blame on the EU though.
I take no pleasure in the present situation I would love nothing better than be able to rejoin Labour under a centre left leader and I would love to see them heading towards a GE victory. However I cannot vote for a Labour Party led by Corbyn and the 4 Ms. I doubt I am alone and the consequence is likely to be a Johnson majority on about 35% of the vote.
That is fair enough , but you have admitted that you did not vote Labour in 2017 when 41% did. On that basis, your views are not new.!
Has anyone considered the outside possibility that Johnsonhas decided that his legacy is that he should go down in history as the man who scuppered Brexit?
In view of this new cabinet why is Corbyn ducking a vonc this week
He must know he could see huge loses to the Lib Dems and to the conservatives in leave seats
In view of this cabinet, why rush? Give them time and space to make decisions and wait for the disasters....
But equally what if it is successful and we brexit
None of us can be sure
At the moment, Boris has to be given a chance by his backbenchers. By September, I think the ground will be much riper for a Vonc and potentially some will have left the Tory party.
Amber Rudd has come out of this without any honour. Nicky Morgan has been shifting for some months now.
I think Rudd knows this is her last term as an MP given her seat and majority. I am not sure how well connected she is for jobs afterwards or how wealthy she is already but imagine money/status from being in the cabinet is a bigger factor for her than many others who might be in safer seats, have independent wealth or be towards the end of their careers.
Just wondering, Mr HY.... but how is it going down with the rank and file Conservative that three of the top political posts are held by two Indians and and an Israeli? While the top post of all is held by a person of Turkish descent?
Just wondering.........
I hadn't realised that Raab was [German origin] Jewish, but how does that make him Israeli?
Quite. Nor are Javid and Patel "Indians". I don't run around calling people racist, but I think that was a very weird comment.
I thought Patel was the Israeli?
I dunno what goes on in PClipp's head, I'll leave it to him to explain.
I am very surprised and disappointed with Boris cabinet
Not at all happy at ditching Hunt and Penny
Also I do not see the unity he extolled in his choices
This must be a cabinet for an Autumn GE
I am always interested on how you view these things.
Are you one step closer to quitting the party today?
I am dismayed about the new Government. I cannot help but fear the worst for the country! Boris is going to gamble everything on his Brexit, the downside is too great and a lot of people will suffer. It is interesting the people who have worked with him, MPs and the like have grave misgivings about his judgement. He will sink us all with his deluded fantasy....
My position hasn't changed from supporting a deal but no deal results in my resignation
Just wondering, Mr HY.... but how is it going down with the rank and file Conservative that three of the top political posts are held by two Indians and and an Israeli? While the top post of all is held by a person of Turkish descent?
Just wondering.........
I hadn't realised that Raab was [German origin] Jewish, but how does that make him Israeli?
Quite. Nor are Javid and Patel "Indians". I don't run around calling people racist, but I think that was a very weird comment.
Has anyone considered the outside possibility that Johnsonhas decided that his legacy is that he should go down in history as the man who scuppered Brexit?
More like he has a plan to destroy the Conservative party as a party of national strength.
Bleak, bleak day for the Party.
(as an e.g. good luck to Ruthie across the Border).
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They have prepared better for No Deal and will then wait to pick off what is best from Britain in the aftermath. They have the upper hand and they know it. As does Canada. And the US and all the other countries who can see that Truss and Boris will be desperate for deals.
Dissatisfaction with him amongst members has gone from 19% to 45%. The Lib Dems are rising - 4% ahead of Labour nationally according to today's poll so Labour are no longer the only anti-Tory option. Millions of remainers that voted Labour in 2017 are not going to fall for it a second time whatever Corbyn and his cabal might say on the last minute.
FPTP is about all that is keeping Labour in the game right now, without it they would sink as they did in the Euros. Their record in recent local government by elections is not that of a party that is heading towards an overall majority.
Has there been a weaker top team this century?
And whilst Patel, Williamson, Shapps(?!) et all are known, it's for the wrong reasons, surely.
The Tories have become a party with an incompetent leader, with aims but no realistic policies to deliver, indulges in occassional casual racism, appoints only his friends and youngsters with no experience.
Lets switch to a party with an incompetent leader, with aims but no realistic policies to deliver, indulges in occassional casual racism, appoints only his friends and youngsters with no experience.
I can see why it is only 1% making that move.
Not at all happy at ditching Hunt and Penny
Also I do not see the unity he extolled in his choices
This must be a cabinet for an Autumn GE
Evens is value.
Also, can I just say how cross I am about Priti Patel coming back into cabinet? Every other fuckup any resigning minister has made is more forgivable than running a parallel foreign policy without civil service bods in the meeting or FCO clearance.
Further off topic, why are all the girls upset with all the boys on Love Island? I must confess to being out of the loop.
He must know he could see huge loses to the Lib Dems and to the conservatives in leave seats
https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1154123051908382721?s=20
So, I don't think poor polls will worry him. He has confidence in his campaigning ability.
His MPs on the other hand ...
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/s7dlnv4ta4/TimesResults_VI_190724_w.pdf
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/07/24/voting-intention-con-25-lib-dem-23-lab-19-brex-17-
It feels like I have been here before, late 70s early 80s. So it feels like I know exactly what happens next from this similar political alignment. Just because you personally feel politician, their views or policies are beyond the pale doesn’t mean they don’t go on winning landslide victories
On topic. No election this side of delivering brexit. I am bewildered by number of people who think there will be. Have you all lost you betting brain? Boris needs time and a brexit to own enough of the leaver vote to be able to call that election. He doesn’t have them this summer, he will next spring. Once brexit delivered the leave plurality will all turn out for Boris. That alone doesn’t deliver Boris his landslide, but the bigger majority of votes going to Labour, Lib Dem, BP and Green in a manner where they fight each other for those votes and don’t exchange them due to bad blood between them delivers Boris the Landslide next Spring. Lib Dem remainers voting for toxic Corbyn, and Labour lending votes to the turncoats who enabled Osbornes austerity to happen. Seriously?
Delivering brexit will not be nearly as challenging as people claim. EU will want to avoid no deal, and allow brexit to happen with plenty still to be discussed and agreed, this is what will happen. This buys Boris 6 to 15 months of triumph until he needs not just a brexit but a good one. In that period he wins the landslide against split opposition knocking each other out. Just like 83 and 87 all over again.
Further on from that, I don’t for one moment believe an easy Brexit will be delivered and Global Britain get off to a flying start when the transition from EU comes to a close. But Boris will still own the Leaver plurality, and alongs the votes against him still evenly split and cancelling each other out he can go on winning.
Give them time and space to make decisions and wait for the disasters....
Cons 25%
Lib Dems 23%
Labour 19%
TBP 17%
@Richard_Nabavi
Sorry to see you feel the need to leave the party you love.
Johnson - sacked for making up a story as journalist
Patel - ran her own foreign policy and misled over it - sacked
Williamson - accused of leaking and misleading - sacked
Leadsom - accused of exagerrated CV in previous leadership contest
Jenrick - accused of claiming to be entrepreneur when never ran his own business
Shapps - alter ego Michael Green
Any more? Good luck to whoever is in charge of ethics with this lot.
None of us can be sure
Copeland, a labour council for decades now has an indie elected mayor. Who just got re elected, the constituency is now stomping Tory, it’s County council local committee of cllrs is now also Tory.
He has to hold an election before the voters find out just how shit No Deal really is.
I thought Patel was the Israeli?
Are you one step closer to quitting the party today?
I am dismayed about the new Government. I cannot help but fear the worst for the country! Boris is going to gamble everything on his Brexit, the downside is too great and a lot of people will suffer. It is interesting the people who have worked with him, MPs and the like have grave misgivings about his judgement. He will sink us all with his deluded fantasy....
I suspect that he is pretty relaxed about people sacked for treachery and mendacity, after all it would be hypocritical otherwise!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KvRYd8U7qGY
By September, I think the ground will be much riper for a Vonc and potentially some will have left the Tory party.
Is that my coat?
Bleak, bleak day for the Party.
(as an e.g. good luck to Ruthie across the Border).