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You can change PM, it'd make sense to hold for instance Hunt as foreign secretary for a bit perhaps though.0
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Been away for a week in centreparcs in a tree house
Not cheap but heartily recommended0 -
Thanks. That might be of interest.Cyclefree said:
Sensible kids. Their heads get turned at university.ydoethur said:
Got quite a few who want to be lawyers. Can't think offhand of any potential bankers.Cyclefree said:
And bankers. Then I can come and tell your students what careers to avoid.ydoethur said:
Deal. A Negroni for loads of stories of useless lawyers!Cyclefree said:
No.ydoethur said:
Well, that's an offer that nobody could refuse. But wouldn't Mr Cyclefree object?Cyclefree said:
Well, charm and a sense of humour will get you a very long way, with me anyway.ydoethur said:But I'm a poor teacher, I was pitching for what I thought I could afford...
I am not ..... sssh, don't tell @Nigelb ...... that big a fan of coffee. Surely a Negroni is within reach. We could share straws......
He is currently gainfully employed being a project manager on a large building project in the Lake District.
On a serious point I do talks about What Life is Really Like as a Lawyer and What I Wish I'd Known When I Was Younger, especially to girls, if that is ever of interest. Did one for International Womens Day this year. Role models - or just real life examples (not boring "I'm trying to sell my firm" ones) can be helpful.
I'm on holiday next week - can I contact you to discuss it next month?0 -
How about 'May the peace and love of the one true Jezza be always with you'?Gallowgate said:SandyRentool said:
I always use 'In comradeship' in party emails.Gallowgate said:What kind of person ends their emails with "in solidarity"...
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We should have done more to keep the Shah in charge of Iran.0
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More unnecessary language in the headline. Can now omit "Corbyn".0
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Boris coming into office with this Iran crisis is a worry but can anyone imagine Corbyn dealing with this0
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BTW, using the term 'Persian Gulf' is a good way to upset people in the UAE.0
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EDIT @Scott_P beat me to it!0
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Not in this case.Gallowgate said:Don't worry guys.
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No.AndyJS said:We should have done more to keep the Shah in charge of Iran.
The Iranian took back control from their unelected ruler.0 -
Fortunately, that is an act of imagination. I'm more concerned about the reality of Boris.Big_G_NorthWales said:Boris coming into office with this Iran crisis is a worry but can anyone imagine Corbyn dealing with this
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Of course, just VM me.ydoethur said:
Thanks. That might be of interest.Cyclefree said:
Sensible kids. Their heads get turned at university.ydoethur said:
Got quite a few who want to be lawyers. Can't think offhand of any potential bankers.Cyclefree said:
And bankers. Then I can come and tell your students what careers to avoid.ydoethur said:
Deal. A Negroni for loads of stories of useless lawyers!Cyclefree said:
No.ydoethur said:
Well, that's an offer that nobody could refuse. But wouldn't Mr Cyclefree object?Cyclefree said:
Well, charm and a sense of humour will get you a very long way, with me anyway.ydoethur said:But I'm a poor teacher, I was pitching for what I thought I could afford...
I am not ..... sssh, don't tell @Nigelb ...... that big a fan of coffee. Surely a Negroni is within reach. We could share straws......
He is currently gainfully employed being a project manager on a large building project in the Lake District.
On a serious point I do talks about What Life is Really Like as a Lawyer and What I Wish I'd Known When I Was Younger, especially to girls, if that is ever of interest. Did one for International Womens Day this year. Role models - or just real life examples (not boring "I'm trying to sell my firm" ones) can be helpful.
I'm on holiday next week - can I contact you to discuss it next month?0 -
But what a choicedixiedean said:
Fortunately, that is an act of imagination. I'm more concerned about the reality of Boris.Big_G_NorthWales said:Boris coming into office with this Iran crisis is a worry but can anyone imagine Corbyn dealing with this
And Boris had a conversation with Trump yesterday according to US sources0 -
Kent and Surrey are a small price to pay for peace, and the suspension of some Labour MPs clearly, once again, demonstrates that Labour has zero-tolerance when it comes to agreeing with Israeli sourced comments such as 'surrender-monkey'.Big_G_NorthWales said:Boris coming into office with this Iran crisis is a worry but can anyone imagine Corbyn dealing with this
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Tbf the Iranian nuclear programme would have had to be much more far advanced than anyone thought for that to happen. Perhaps inspiring the red mist to descend upon John Bolton resulting in us all being destroyed in a nuclear war would be more likely.FF43 said:
Armageddon, pshaw, I cast my glove of pedantry in your face.0 -
Indeed. Other options to deal with such events may soon include Swinson. Or Farage. Lord have mercy!Big_G_NorthWales said:
But what a choicedixiedean said:
Fortunately, that is an act of imagination. I'm more concerned about the reality of Boris.Big_G_NorthWales said:Boris coming into office with this Iran crisis is a worry but can anyone imagine Corbyn dealing with this
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Please don't make things worsedixiedean said:
Indeed. Other options to deal with such events may soon include Swinson. Or Farage. Lord have mercy!Big_G_NorthWales said:
But what a choicedixiedean said:
Fortunately, that is an act of imagination. I'm more concerned about the reality of Boris.Big_G_NorthWales said:Boris coming into office with this Iran crisis is a worry but can anyone imagine Corbyn dealing with this
And Boris had a conversation with Trump yesterday according to US sources0 -
Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!0 -
Will do.Cyclefree said:
Of course, just VM me.ydoethur said:
Thanks. That might be of interest.Cyclefree said:
Sensible kids. Their heads get turned at university.ydoethur said:
Got quite a few who want to be lawyers. Can't think offhand of any potential bankers.Cyclefree said:
And bankers. Then I can come and tell your students what careers to avoid.ydoethur said:
Deal. A Negroni for loads of stories of useless lawyers!Cyclefree said:
No.ydoethur said:
Well, that's an offer that nobody could refuse. But wouldn't Mr Cyclefree object?Cyclefree said:
Well, charm and a sense of humour will get you a very long way, with me anyway.ydoethur said:But I'm a poor teacher, I was pitching for what I thought I could afford...
I am not ..... sssh, don't tell @Nigelb ...... that big a fan of coffee. Surely a Negroni is within reach. We could share straws......
He is currently gainfully employed being a project manager on a large building project in the Lake District.
On a serious point I do talks about What Life is Really Like as a Lawyer and What I Wish I'd Known When I Was Younger, especially to girls, if that is ever of interest. Did one for International Womens Day this year. Role models - or just real life examples (not boring "I'm trying to sell my firm" ones) can be helpful.
I'm on holiday next week - can I contact you to discuss it next month?0 -
Sky - Hunt expressing concern at seizure of two naval vessels0
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There is a reason why Prime Ministers in office are almost always replaced by the ministers holding the most senior posts in Government...0
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Not only does the phenomenon exist, it's pretty unremarkable. There was a thread a few days ago about how it is so prevalent one pollster doesn't weight by past vote, and panel pollsters take the vote recall as recorded just after the vote.kle4 said:
That's a reason not to remember who you voted for in 79, or 97, but come on, it's so casual people actually forget within a few years?williamglenn said:
Not everyone takes the decision so seriously that it's indelibly marked in their memory.kle4 said:
Is false recall really the right term? I get there could be confusion about voting some ways back, but surely no one without a problem 'recalls' incorrectly so recently?rottenborough said:
People are not necessary good nor kind nor conscientious, they can be shallow, silly, malevolent or just plain evil. People vote for silly reasons and hen pretend to themselves they didn't.0 -
A drink on the easyJet flight to the south of France is more expensive than one at the cinquante cinq.rcs1000 said:
I once had two holidays back to back: Centreparcs and The Grand Hotel du Cap Ferrat.Floater said:Been away for a week in centreparcs in a tree house
Not cheap but heartily recommended
The second one was the cheaper.0 -
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!0 -
Yes. Although I hear he’s having dinner with HYUFD.dixiedean said:
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!
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I think they are trying not to upscale it to PM level and use diplomacydixiedean said:
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!0 -
Quite. If he isn't, it won't reflect badly on him...dixiedean said:
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!1 -
HYUFD did name drop that last night to be fair, so more than likelyalex. said:
Yes. Although I hear he’s having dinner with HYUFD.dixiedean said:
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!0 -
Corbyn running the show in this imbroglio with Iran would be a damned sight better than Johnson, mostly because he wouldn't be trying to suck up to his hair buddy in Washington. We should have told the Americans to get bent when they asked us to sieze the Iranian tanker in the straight of Gibraltar. Bolton and his cabal of loons are trying to deliberately split us from the rest of Europe on JPOCA and I'm worried that De Pfeffel will happily oblige.0
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The tanker in Gibraltar was seized due to suspicion that it was breaking EU sanctions. Nothing to do with the USOnboardG1 said:Corbyn running the show in this imbroglio with Iran would be a damned sight better than Johnson, mostly because he wouldn't be trying to suck up to his hair buddy in Washington. We should have told the Americans to get bent when they asked us to sieze the Iranian tanker in the straight of Gibraltar. Bolton and his cabal of loons are trying to deliberately split us from the rest of Europe on JPOCA and I'm worried that De Pfeffel will happily oblige.
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Riiiight...a man who signs EDMs praising the democratic nature of the Iranian government would be a real boon in hits situation.OnboardG1 said:Corbyn running the show in this imbroglio with Iran would be a damned sight better than Johnson, mostly because he wouldn't be trying to suck up to his hair buddy in Washington. We should have told the Americans to get bent when they asked us to sieze the Iranian tanker in the straight of Gibraltar. Bolton and his cabal of loons are trying to deliberately split us from the rest of Europe on JPOCA and I'm worried that De Pfeffel will happily oblige.
For the Iranians, admittedly, but hey, we can't win them all.
(BTW, you do know that the allegation is that Iranian tanker was breaching EU sanctions, don't you?)0 -
Indeed. Arabian Gulf, if you will...SandyRentool said:BTW, using the term 'Persian Gulf' is a good way to upset people in the UAE.
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Not necessarily 'nothing to do with the US.' They were urging us to seize it. But also hardly 'splitting us off from the EU.'Big_G_NorthWales said:
The tanker in Gibraltar was seized due to suspicion that it was breaking EU sanctions. Nothing to do with the USOnboardG1 said:Corbyn running the show in this imbroglio with Iran would be a damned sight better than Johnson, mostly because he wouldn't be trying to suck up to his hair buddy in Washington. We should have told the Americans to get bent when they asked us to sieze the Iranian tanker in the straight of Gibraltar. Bolton and his cabal of loons are trying to deliberately split us from the rest of Europe on JPOCA and I'm worried that De Pfeffel will happily oblige.
The irony is, if we had left the EU it would have been the Spanish who would have had to seize the tanker.0 -
Boris Johnson ducked out of a Cobra meeting to be photographed signing a letter. He made his choice about priorities then.dixiedean said:
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!1 -
If you get tongue twisted and say 'Homos' instead of 'Homruz,' that would presumably annoy them all.Sandpit said:
Indeed. Arabian Gulf, if you will...SandyRentool said:BTW, using the term 'Persian Gulf' is a good way to upset people in the UAE.
It's a good job one of the two people about to become PM never mangles his words...0 -
Well, in fairness, if he hadn't I for one might have doubted if he was literate.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson ducked out of a Cobra meeting to be photographed signing a letter. He made his choice about priorities then.dixiedean said:
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!0 -
The Spanish have said it was due to a US request. We don't know the real reason but let's acknowledge there is debate on the subject.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The tanker in Gibraltar was seized due to suspicion that it was breaking EU sanctions. Nothing to do with the USOnboardG1 said:Corbyn running the show in this imbroglio with Iran would be a damned sight better than Johnson, mostly because he wouldn't be trying to suck up to his hair buddy in Washington. We should have told the Americans to get bent when they asked us to sieze the Iranian tanker in the straight of Gibraltar. Bolton and his cabal of loons are trying to deliberately split us from the rest of Europe on JPOCA and I'm worried that De Pfeffel will happily oblige.
Personally, I don't support us seizing the tanker, I don't care a jot about it going to Syria, I wish we would just leave Assad to get on with it, but perhaps a good solution would be for us to just purchase the crude? Then it doesn't go to the nasty Syrian regime, and Iran gets to make an honest buck, which is surely what we want them to do, rather than enriching uranium.0 -
Wonder if the will be Theresa May's final COBRA?0
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Jezbollah can do one0
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It really isn't about Boris's priorities. It's about who is about to be PM. What a petulant response.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson ducked out of a Cobra meeting to be photographed signing a letter. He made his choice about priorities then.dixiedean said:
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!0 -
I’d rather brief people who are going to be interested in the problem.Luckyguy1983 said:
It really isn't about Boris's priorities. It's about who is about to be PM. What a petulant response.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson ducked out of a Cobra meeting to be photographed signing a letter. He made his choice about priorities then.dixiedean said:
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!0 -
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Yes. Although I hear he’s having dinner with HYUFD.dixiedean said:
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!0 -
If he gets to be PM he'll do us all.RochdalePioneers said:Jezbollah can do one
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So we're told.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The tanker in Gibraltar was seized due to suspicion that it was breaking EU sanctions. Nothing to do with the USOnboardG1 said:Corbyn running the show in this imbroglio with Iran would be a damned sight better than Johnson, mostly because he wouldn't be trying to suck up to his hair buddy in Washington. We should have told the Americans to get bent when they asked us to sieze the Iranian tanker in the straight of Gibraltar. Bolton and his cabal of loons are trying to deliberately split us from the rest of Europe on JPOCA and I'm worried that De Pfeffel will happily oblige.
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I'd rather brief people who are going to be interested in the solution.AlastairMeeks said:
I’d rather brief people who are going to be interested in the problem.Luckyguy1983 said:
It really isn't about Boris's priorities. It's about who is about to be PM. What a petulant response.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson ducked out of a Cobra meeting to be photographed signing a letter. He made his choice about priorities then.dixiedean said:
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!0 -
Boris Johnson doesn’t fall in either group. So your bleating on his behalf is incomprehensible.Luckyguy1983 said:
I'd rather brief people who are going to be interested in the solution.AlastairMeeks said:
I’d rather brief people who are going to be interested in the problem.Luckyguy1983 said:
It really isn't about Boris's priorities. It's about who is about to be PM. What a petulant response.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson ducked out of a Cobra meeting to be photographed signing a letter. He made his choice about priorities then.dixiedean said:
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!0 -
Last time i went there, it was so full of chavs, i presumed that sports direct must have been running some sort of promotion for regular customers.Floater said:Been away for a week in centreparcs in a tree house
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I'm not sure I believe that. Firstly the UK is leading the charge on saving JPOCA because our interests are well served by the agreement and frankly I think May was personally pretty pissed off that Trump started this stupid conflict back in 2017. Secondly, Jeremy Hunt is quite personally invested in these efforts since it's been his balliwick and one of his main achievements during his tenure. I'm not convinced that either of them would jeapordise their own aims in this scenario without some alternative pull factor. Reuters seems to have some grounds to suggest that the tanker was impounded at the request of Washington (and they usually have some pretty good diplomatic contacts https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-tanker-gibraltar/gibraltar-extends-detention-of-iranian-tanker-for-a-month-idUSKCN1UE16I).Big_G_NorthWales said:
The tanker in Gibraltar was seized due to suspicion that it was breaking EU sanctions. Nothing to do with the USOnboardG1 said:Corbyn running the show in this imbroglio with Iran would be a damned sight better than Johnson, mostly because he wouldn't be trying to suck up to his hair buddy in Washington. We should have told the Americans to get bent when they asked us to sieze the Iranian tanker in the straight of Gibraltar. Bolton and his cabal of loons are trying to deliberately split us from the rest of Europe on JPOCA and I'm worried that De Pfeffel will happily oblige.
Fundamentally I think this is a powerplay to try to break apart the multilateral coalition that's been trying to undermine the US sanctions effort against Iran over JPOCA.
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Delivering a solution without understanding the problem is a rare talent. Obviously explains how Johnson is going to deliver on Brexit.Luckyguy1983 said:
I'd rather brief people who are going to be interested in the solution.AlastairMeeks said:
I’d rather brief people who are going to be interested in the problem.Luckyguy1983 said:
It really isn't about Boris's priorities. It's about who is about to be PM. What a petulant response.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson ducked out of a Cobra meeting to be photographed signing a letter. He made his choice about priorities then.dixiedean said:
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!
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Don't worry Alistair in a week's time or so it'll be his job to be interested in the solutionAlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson doesn’t fall in either group. So your bleating on his behalf is incomprehensible.Luckyguy1983 said:
I'd rather brief people who are going to be interested in the solution.AlastairMeeks said:
I’d rather brief people who are going to be interested in the problem.Luckyguy1983 said:
It really isn't about Boris's priorities. It's about who is about to be PM. What a petulant response.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson ducked out of a Cobra meeting to be photographed signing a letter. He made his choice about priorities then.dixiedean said:
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!
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Well, we're not really. We're being told Gibraltar was not ordered to seize it, which is a far cry from saying the US didn't ask us to.OldKingCole said:
So we're told.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The tanker in Gibraltar was seized due to suspicion that it was breaking EU sanctions. Nothing to do with the USOnboardG1 said:Corbyn running the show in this imbroglio with Iran would be a damned sight better than Johnson, mostly because he wouldn't be trying to suck up to his hair buddy in Washington. We should have told the Americans to get bent when they asked us to sieze the Iranian tanker in the straight of Gibraltar. Bolton and his cabal of loons are trying to deliberately split us from the rest of Europe on JPOCA and I'm worried that De Pfeffel will happily oblige.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-crisis-tanker-gibraltar/gibraltar-extends-detention-of-iranian-tanker-for-a-month-idUKKCN1UE15O0 -
It isn't on his behalf. The less suitable or capable the next PM is, the wiser and more necessary it is to brief them. To keep Boris out would be a political gesture and an utterly futile one.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson doesn’t fall in either group. So your bleating on his behalf is incomprehensible.Luckyguy1983 said:
I'd rather brief people who are going to be interested in the solution.AlastairMeeks said:
I’d rather brief people who are going to be interested in the problem.Luckyguy1983 said:
It really isn't about Boris's priorities. It's about who is about to be PM. What a petulant response.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson ducked out of a Cobra meeting to be photographed signing a letter. He made his choice about priorities then.dixiedean said:
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!-1 -
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Not altogether reassuring.Pulpstar said:
Don't worry Alistair in a week's time or so it'll be his job to be interested in the solutionAlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson doesn’t fall in either group. So your bleating on his behalf is incomprehensible.Luckyguy1983 said:
I'd rather brief people who are going to be interested in the solution.AlastairMeeks said:
I’d rather brief people who are going to be interested in the problem.Luckyguy1983 said:
It really isn't about Boris's priorities. It's about who is about to be PM. What a petulant response.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson ducked out of a Cobra meeting to be photographed signing a letter. He made his choice about priorities then.dixiedean said:
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!0 -
The moniker "posh Butlins" does rather depend on your threshold for posh.FrancisUrquhart said:
Last time i went there, it was so full of chavs, i presumed that sports direct must have been running some sort of promotion for regular customers.Floater said:Been away for a week in centreparcs in a tree house
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It is accepted that the tanker was breaking EU sanctions hence it was stopped.OnboardG1 said:
I'm not sure I believe that. Firstly the UK is leading the charge on saving JPOCA because our interests are well served by the agreement and frankly I think May was personally pretty pissed off that Trump started this stupid conflict back in 2017. Secondly, Jeremy Hunt is quite personally invested in these efforts since it's been his balliwick and one of his main achievements during his tenure. I'm not convinced that either of them would jeapordise their own aims in this scenario without some alternative pull factor. Reuters seems to have some grounds to suggest that the tanker was impounded at the request of Washington (and they usually have some pretty good diplomatic contacts https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-tanker-gibraltar/gibraltar-extends-detention-of-iranian-tanker-for-a-month-idUSKCN1UE16I).Big_G_NorthWales said:
The tanker in Gibraltar was seized due to suspicion that it was breaking EU sanctions. Nothing to do with the USOnboardG1 said:Corbyn running the show in this imbroglio with Iran would be a damned sight better than Johnson, mostly because he wouldn't be trying to suck up to his hair buddy in Washington. We should have told the Americans to get bent when they asked us to sieze the Iranian tanker in the straight of Gibraltar. Bolton and his cabal of loons are trying to deliberately split us from the rest of Europe on JPOCA and I'm worried that De Pfeffel will happily oblige.
Fundamentally I think this is a powerplay to try to break apart the multilateral coalition that's been trying to undermine the US sanctions effort against Iran over JPOCA.0 -
PosherPro_Rata said:
The moniker "posh Butlins" does rather depend on your threshold for posh.FrancisUrquhart said:
Last time i went there, it was so full of chavs, i presumed that sports direct must have been running some sort of promotion for regular customers.Floater said:Been away for a week in centreparcs in a tree house
Not cheap but heartily recommended
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It was his job when he was Foreign Secretary. He opted out then, to be pictured holding a pen.Luckyguy1983 said:
It isn't on his behalf. The less suitable or capable the next PM is, the wiser and more necessary it is to brief them. To keep Boris out would be a political gesture and an utterly futile one.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson doesn’t fall in either group. So your bleating on his behalf is incomprehensible.Luckyguy1983 said:
I'd rather brief people who are going to be interested in the solution.AlastairMeeks said:
I’d rather brief people who are going to be interested in the problem.Luckyguy1983 said:
It really isn't about Boris's priorities. It's about who is about to be PM. What a petulant response.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson ducked out of a Cobra meeting to be photographed signing a letter. He made his choice about priorities then.dixiedean said:
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!0 -
Who are the Beatles?Pulpstar said:Who the hell is A$AP Rocky ?
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Boris can always send a Kipper to the GulfAlastairMeeks said:I
It was his job when he was Foreign Secretary. He opted out then, to be pictured holding a pen.Luckyguy1983 said:
It isn't on his behalf. The less suitable or capable the next PM is, the wiser and more necessary it is to brief them. To keep Boris out would be a political gesture and an utterly futile one.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson doesn’t fall in either group. So your bleating on his behalf is incomprehensible.Luckyguy1983 said:
I'd rather brief people who are going to be interested in the solution.AlastairMeeks said:
I’d rather brief people who are going to be interested in the problem.Luckyguy1983 said:
It really isn't about Boris's priorities. It's about who is about to be PM. What a petulant response.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson ducked out of a Cobra meeting to be photographed signing a letter. He made his choice about priorities then.dixiedean said:
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!
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Again, 'accepted' is the wrong word. It is 'very probable.' (In fact, we know it's more than that because otherwise Iran would have given us the assurances we asked for and it would have been released by now, rather than Iran behaving like drunken lunatics or spoiled two year olds.) But it is not yet proven to a legal standard.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is accepted that the tanker was breaking EU sanctions hence it was stopped.OnboardG1 said:
I'm not sure I believe that. Firstly the UK is leading the charge on saving JPOCA because our interests are well served by the agreement and frankly I think May was personally pretty pissed off that Trump started this stupid conflict back in 2017. Secondly, Jeremy Hunt is quite personally invested in these efforts since it's been his balliwick and one of his main achievements during his tenure. I'm not convinced that either of them would jeapordise their own aims in this scenario without some alternative pull factor. Reuters seems to have some grounds to suggest that the tanker was impounded at the request of Washington (and they usually have some pretty good diplomatic contacts https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-tanker-gibraltar/gibraltar-extends-detention-of-iranian-tanker-for-a-month-idUSKCN1UE16I).Big_G_NorthWales said:
The tanker in Gibraltar was seized due to suspicion that it was breaking EU sanctions. Nothing to do with the USOnboardG1 said:Corbyn running the show in this imbroglio with Iran would be a damned sight better than Johnson, mostly because he wouldn't be trying to suck up to his hair buddy in Washington. We should have told the Americans to get bent when they asked us to sieze the Iranian tanker in the straight of Gibraltar. Bolton and his cabal of loons are trying to deliberately split us from the rest of Europe on JPOCA and I'm worried that De Pfeffel will happily oblige.
Fundamentally I think this is a powerplay to try to break apart the multilateral coalition that's been trying to undermine the US sanctions effort against Iran over JPOCA.0 -
I accept your excellent clarificationydoethur said:
Again, 'accepted' is the wrong word. It is 'very probable.' (In fact, we know it's more than that because otherwise Iran would have given us the assurances we asked for and it would have been released by now, rather than Iran behaving like drunken lunatics or spoiled two year olds.) But it is not yet proven to a legal standard.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is accepted that the tanker was breaking EU sanctions hence it was stopped.OnboardG1 said:
I'm not sure I believe that. Firstly the UK is leading the charge on saving JPOCA because our interests are well served by the agreement and frankly I think May was personally pretty pissed off that Trump started this stupid conflict back in 2017. Secondly, Jeremy Hunt is quite personally invested in these efforts since it's been his balliwick and one of his main achievements during his tenure. I'm not convinced that either of them would jeapordise their own aims in this scenario without some alternative pull factor. Reuters seems to have some grounds to suggest that the tanker was impounded at the request of Washington (and they usually have some pretty good diplomatic contacts https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-tanker-gibraltar/gibraltar-extends-detention-of-iranian-tanker-for-a-month-idUSKCN1UE16I).Big_G_NorthWales said:
The tanker in Gibraltar was seized due to suspicion that it was breaking EU sanctions. Nothing to do with the USOnboardG1 said:Corbyn running the show in this imbroglio with Iran would be a damned sight better than Johnson, mostly because he wouldn't be trying to suck up to his hair buddy in Washington. We should have told the Americans to get bent when they asked us to sieze the Iranian tanker in the straight of Gibraltar. Bolton and his cabal of loons are trying to deliberately split us from the rest of Europe on JPOCA and I'm worried that De Pfeffel will happily oblige.
Fundamentally I think this is a powerplay to try to break apart the multilateral coalition that's been trying to undermine the US sanctions effort against Iran over JPOCA.0 -
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Could be worse. Could be IDS emerging from 10 Downing Street to declare war
the FrenchIraq. Oh no, we’ve already had that.0 -
Those that think putting on a shirt and not wearing trainers to dinner is posh.Pro_Rata said:
The moniker "posh Butlins" does rather depend on your threshold for posh.FrancisUrquhart said:
Last time i went there, it was so full of chavs, i presumed that sports direct must have been running some sort of promotion for regular customers.Floater said:Been away for a week in centreparcs in a tree house
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That's a slightly facetious take. We all know it's possible to tactically ignore situations in order to gain advantage in others that you consider more important (see EU negotiations over the last 20 years).Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is accepted that the tanker was breaking EU sanctions hence it was stopped.OnboardG1 said:
I'm not sure I believe that. Firstly the UK is leading the charge on saving JPOCA because our interests are well served by the agreement and frankly I think May was personally pretty pissed off that Trump started this stupid conflict back in 2017. Secondly, Jeremy Hunt is quite personally invested in these efforts since it's been his balliwick and one of his main achievements during his tenure. I'm not convinced that either of them would jeapordise their own aims in this scenario without some alternative pull factor. Reuters seems to have some grounds to suggest that the tanker was impounded at the request of Washington (and they usually have some pretty good diplomatic contacts https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-tanker-gibraltar/gibraltar-extends-detention-of-iranian-tanker-for-a-month-idUSKCN1UE16I).Big_G_NorthWales said:
The tanker in Gibraltar was seized due to suspicion that it was breaking EU sanctions. Nothing to do with the USOnboardG1 said:Corbyn running the show in this imbroglio with Iran would be a damned sight better than Johnson, mostly because he wouldn't be trying to suck up to his hair buddy in Washington. We should have told the Americans to get bent when they asked us to sieze the Iranian tanker in the straight of Gibraltar. Bolton and his cabal of loons are trying to deliberately split us from the rest of Europe on JPOCA and I'm worried that De Pfeffel will happily oblige.
Fundamentally I think this is a powerplay to try to break apart the multilateral coalition that's been trying to undermine the US sanctions effort against Iran over JPOCA.
There are always reasons why beyond the boilerplate. I think it's unconvincing that the UK was just being a stand up citizen in the fight against Assad when that war is lost and a tanker load of oil makes bugger all difference to a regime that's getting its energy needs met by the Russians. Whether US pressure was the only reason to act is another question but I find it extremely unlikely that Downing St and the Foreign Office would make a strategically disadvantageous decision like seizing an Iranian tanker if the US wasn't pushing for it.1 -
'Crossrail late' would serve as well...AndyJS said:Crossrail latest:
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Yes, but as I'm trying to say, that is not relevant when he's a the next PM. It stops being about whether he deserves a briefing, or should get to sit at the high table, and starts being about the fact that he should be briefed and included at this stage because of his forthcoming role. The only good reason I can see for excluding him is to make the political point that he is unfit to Govern. This may be true, but at this stage, it's futile to make it, and potentially results in an even less prepared PM.AlastairMeeks said:I
It was his job when he was Foreign Secretary. He opted out then, to be pictured holding a pen.Luckyguy1983 said:
It isn't on his behalf. The less suitable or capable the next PM is, the wiser and more necessary it is to brief them. To keep Boris out would be a political gesture and an utterly futile one.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson doesn’t fall in either group. So your bleating on his behalf is incomprehensible.Luckyguy1983 said:
I'd rather brief people who are going to be interested in the solution.AlastairMeeks said:
I’d rather brief people who are going to be interested in the problem.Luckyguy1983 said:
It really isn't about Boris's priorities. It's about who is about to be PM. What a petulant response.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson ducked out of a Cobra meeting to be photographed signing a letter. He made his choice about priorities then.dixiedean said:
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!0 -
I feel seenFrancisUrquhart said:
Those that think putting on a shirt and not wearing trainers to dinner is posh.Pro_Rata said:
The moniker "posh Butlins" does rather depend on your threshold for posh.FrancisUrquhart said:
Last time i went there, it was so full of chavs, i presumed that sports direct must have been running some sort of promotion for regular customers.Floater said:Been away for a week in centreparcs in a tree house
Not cheap but heartily recommended
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Well, I'm off for a few days, and it's likely I won't be on PB much. Failing John Bolton or Boris blowing up the world, I will be back a week on Tuesday.
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Is Ken Clarke there?Luckyguy1983 said:
Yes, but as I'm trying to say, that is not relevant when he's a the next PM. It stops being about whether he deserves a briefing, or should get to sit at the high table, and starts being about the fact that he should be briefed and included at this stage because of his forthcoming role. The only good reason I can see for excluding him is to make the political point that he is unfit to Govern. This may be true, but at this stage, it's futile to make it, and potentially results in an even less prepared PM.AlastairMeeks said:I
It was his job when he was Foreign Secretary. He opted out then, to be pictured holding a pen.Luckyguy1983 said:
It isn't on his behalf. The less suitable or capable the next PM is, the wiser and more necessary it is to brief them. To keep Boris out would be a political gesture and an utterly futile one.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson doesn’t fall in either group. So your bleating on his behalf is incomprehensible.Luckyguy1983 said:
I'd rather brief people who are going to be interested in the solution.AlastairMeeks said:
I’d rather brief people who are going to be interested in the problem.Luckyguy1983 said:
It really isn't about Boris's priorities. It's about who is about to be PM. What a petulant response.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson ducked out of a Cobra meeting to be photographed signing a letter. He made his choice about priorities then.dixiedean said:
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!
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Likewise!ydoethur said:Well, I'm off for a few days, and it's likely I won't be on PB much. Failing John Bolton or Boris blowing up the world, I will be back a week on Tuesday.
Have a good one.0 -
Calling your tea 'dinner' is posh. Having it close to bedtime and calling it 'supper' is both posh and unhealthy.FrancisUrquhart said:
Those that think putting on a shirt and not wearing trainers to dinner is posh.Pro_Rata said:
The moniker "posh Butlins" does rather depend on your threshold for posh.FrancisUrquhart said:
Last time i went there, it was so full of chavs, i presumed that sports direct must have been running some sort of promotion for regular customers.Floater said:Been away for a week in centreparcs in a tree house
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Remember HYUFD is having dinner with IDS and Raab tonight with Boris expected to join them so no doubt we can all rest easy as they can hold their own Cobra meeting and HYUFD can provide expert analysis on how each option will effect Boris's poll rating !!!alex. said:Could be worse. Could be IDS emerging from 10 Downing Street to declare war
the FrenchIraq. Oh no, we’ve already had that.2 -
[repeatedly thumping the table] I HAVE BEEN CHEATED OUT OF MY CROSSRAIL!!ydoethur said:
'Crossrail late' would serve as well...AndyJS said:Crossrail latest:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-490372050 -
There’s no point bending rules about access to a security briefing to accommodate someone who does not treat it seriously.Luckyguy1983 said:
Yes, but as I'm trying to say, that is not relevant when he's a the next PM. It stops being about whether he deserves a briefing, or should get to sit at the high table, and starts being about the fact that he should be briefed and included at this stage because of his forthcoming role. The only good reason I can see for excluding him is to make the political point that he is unfit to Govern. This may be true, but at this stage, it's futile to make it, and potentially results in an even less prepared PM.AlastairMeeks said:I
It was his job when he was Foreign Secretary. He opted out then, to be pictured holding a pen.Luckyguy1983 said:
It isn't on his behalf. The less suitable or capable the next PM is, the wiser and more necessary it is to brief them. To keep Boris out would be a political gesture and an utterly futile one.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson doesn’t fall in either group. So your bleating on his behalf is incomprehensible.Luckyguy1983 said:
I'd rather brief people who are going to be interested in the solution.AlastairMeeks said:
I’d rather brief people who are going to be interested in the problem.Luckyguy1983 said:
It really isn't about Boris's priorities. It's about who is about to be PM. What a petulant response.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson ducked out of a Cobra meeting to be photographed signing a letter. He made his choice about priorities then.dixiedean said:
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!0 -
Have a good break - look forward to your return postingsydoethur said:Well, I'm off for a few days, and it's likely I won't be on PB much. Failing John Bolton or Boris blowing up the world, I will be back a week on Tuesday.
Have a good one.0 -
From what I have heard, Johnson doesn't lack curiosity. That might be more of a May issue. Johnson's issues are that he lacks diligence, principle and responsibilityAlastairMeeks said:
I’d rather brief people who are going to be interested in the problem.Luckyguy1983 said:
It really isn't about Boris's priorities. It's about who is about to be PM. What a petulant response.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson ducked out of a Cobra meeting to be photographed signing a letter. He made his choice about priorities then.dixiedean said:
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!
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As far he's concerned it will be to give the impression (with varying degrees of conviction) that he's interested in the solution.Pulpstar said:
Don't worry Alistair in a week's time or so it'll be his job to be interested in the solutionAlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson doesn’t fall in either group. So your bleating on his behalf is incomprehensible.Luckyguy1983 said:
I'd rather brief people who are going to be interested in the solution.AlastairMeeks said:
I’d rather brief people who are going to be interested in the problem.Luckyguy1983 said:
It really isn't about Boris's priorities. It's about who is about to be PM. What a petulant response.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson ducked out of a Cobra meeting to be photographed signing a letter. He made his choice about priorities then.dixiedean said:
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!
The point when the blustering, hoohahing, unserious shit meets the implacable, carbon steel bladed fan.0 -
Not sure about your reasoning there but more specifically he has not been elected yet so this matter has to be the responsibility of TM until Boris is confirmed and in no 10AlastairMeeks said:
There’s no point bending rules about access to a security briefing to accommodate someone who does not treat it seriously.Luckyguy1983 said:
Yes, but as I'm trying to say, that is not relevant when he's a the next PM. It stops being about whether he deserves a briefing, or should get to sit at the high table, and starts being about the fact that he should be briefed and included at this stage because of his forthcoming role. The only good reason I can see for excluding him is to make the political point that he is unfit to Govern. This may be true, but at this stage, it's futile to make it, and potentially results in an even less prepared PM.AlastairMeeks said:I
It was his job when he was Foreign Secretary. He opted out then, to be pictured holding a pen.Luckyguy1983 said:
It isn't on his behalf. The less suitable or capable the next PM is, the wiser and more necessary it is to brief them. To keep Boris out would be a political gesture and an utterly futile one.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson doesn’t fall in either group. So your bleating on his behalf is incomprehensible.Luckyguy1983 said:
I'd rather brief people who are going to be interested in the solution.AlastairMeeks said:
I’d rather brief people who are going to be interested in the problem.Luckyguy1983 said:
It really isn't about Boris's priorities. It's about who is about to be PM. What a petulant response.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson ducked out of a Cobra meeting to be photographed signing a letter. He made his choice about priorities then.dixiedean said:
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!0 -
What would happen if a PM fails security clearance?
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We are talking Corbyn here thenalex. said:What would happen if a PM fails security clearance?
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Depends if we’re talking about leaking something deliberately or by mistake,Big_G_NorthWales said:
We are talking Corbyn here thenalex. said:What would happen if a PM fails security clearance?
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Boris is due at the Palace on Wednesday so it seems churlish to exclude him for the sake of a few days. Hunt is already there, of course.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not sure about your reasoning there but more specifically he has not been elected yet so this matter has to be the responsibility of TM until Boris is confirmed and in no 10AlastairMeeks said:
There’s no point bending rules about access to a security briefing to accommodate someone who does not treat it seriously.Luckyguy1983 said:
Yes, but as I'm trying to say, that is not relevant when he's a the next PM. It stops being about whether he deserves a briefing, or should get to sit at the high table, and starts being about the fact that he should be briefed and included at this stage because of his forthcoming role. The only good reason I can see for excluding him is to make the political point that he is unfit to Govern. This may be true, but at this stage, it's futile to make it, and potentially results in an even less prepared PM.AlastairMeeks said:I
It was his job when he was Foreign Secretary. He opted out then, to be pictured holding a pen.Luckyguy1983 said:
It isn't on his behalf. The less suitable or capable the next PM is, the wiser and more necessary it is to brief them. To keep Boris out would be a political gesture and an utterly futile one.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson doesn’t fall in either group. So your bleating on his behalf is incomprehensible.Luckyguy1983 said:
I'd rather brief people who are going to be interested in the solution.AlastairMeeks said:
I’d rather brief people who are going to be interested in the problem.Luckyguy1983 said:
It really isn't about Boris's priorities. It's about who is about to be PM. What a petulant response.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson ducked out of a Cobra meeting to be photographed signing a letter. He made his choice about priorities then.dixiedean said:
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!
ETA betting-wise, this must strengthen the case for Hunt remaining in post.0 -
We may well see TM, Hunt and Boris attending Cobra over the next few daysDecrepitJohnL said:
Boris is due at the Palace on Wednesday so it seems churlish to exclude him for the sake of a few days. Hunt is already there, of course.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not sure about your reasoning there but more specifically he has not been elected yet so this matter has to be the responsibility of TM until Boris is confirmed and in no 10AlastairMeeks said:
There’s no point bending rules about access to a security briefing to accommodate someone who does not treat it seriously.Luckyguy1983 said:
Yes, but as I'm trying to say, that is not relevant when he's a the next PM. It stops being about whether he deserves a briefing, or should get to sit at the high table, and starts being about the fact that he should be briefed and included at this stage because of his forthcoming role. The only good reason I can see for excluding him is to make the political point that he is unfit to Govern. This may be true, but at this stage, it's futile to make it, and potentially results in an even less prepared PM.AlastairMeeks said:I
It was his job when he was Foreign Secretary. He opted out then, to be pictured holding a pen.Luckyguy1983 said:
It isn't on his behalf. The less suitable or capable the next PM is, the wiser and more necessary it is to brief them. To keep Boris out would be a political gesture and an utterly futile one.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson doesn’t fall in either group. So your bleating on his behalf is incomprehensible.Luckyguy1983 said:
I'd rather brief people who are going to be interested in the solution.AlastairMeeks said:
I’d rather brief people who are going to be interested in the problem.Luckyguy1983 said:
It really isn't about Boris's priorities. It's about who is about to be PM. What a petulant response.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson ducked out of a Cobra meeting to be photographed signing a letter. He made his choice about priorities then.dixiedean said:
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!
ETA betting-wise, this must strengthen the case for Hunt remaining in post.0 -
I have said earlier Boris needs to keep Hunt as FSDecrepitJohnL said:
Boris is due at the Palace on Wednesday so it seems churlish to exclude him for the sake of a few days. Hunt is already there, of course.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not sure about your reasoning there but more specifically he has not been elected yet so this matter has to be the responsibility of TM until Boris is confirmed and in no 10AlastairMeeks said:
There’s no point bending rules about access to a security briefing to accommodate someone who does not treat it seriously.Luckyguy1983 said:
Yes, but as I'm trying to say, that is not relevant when he's a the next PM. It stops being about whether he deserves a briefing, or should get to sit at the high table, and starts being about the fact that he should be briefed and included at this stage because of his forthcoming role. The only good reason I can see for excluding him is to make the political point that he is unfit to Govern. This may be true, but at this stage, it's futile to make it, and potentially results in an even less prepared PM.AlastairMeeks said:I
It was his job when he was Foreign Secretary. He opted out then, to be pictured holding a pen.Luckyguy1983 said:
It isn't on his behalf. The less suitable or capable the next PM is, the wiser and more necessary it is to brief them. To keep Boris out would be a political gesture and an utterly futile one.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson doesn’t fall in either group. So your bleating on his behalf is incomprehensible.Luckyguy1983 said:
I'd rather brief people who are going to be interested in the solution.AlastairMeeks said:
I’d rather brief people who are going to be interested in the problem.Luckyguy1983 said:
It really isn't about Boris's priorities. It's about who is about to be PM. What a petulant response.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson ducked out of a Cobra meeting to be photographed signing a letter. He made his choice about priorities then.dixiedean said:
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!
ETA betting-wise, this must strengthen the case for Hunt remaining in post.0 -
I wish people would stop calling him Boris.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We may well see TM, Hunt and Boris attending Cobra over the next few daysDecrepitJohnL said:
Boris is due at the Palace on Wednesday so it seems churlish to exclude him for the sake of a few days. Hunt is already there, of course.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not sure about your reasoning there but more specifically he has not been elected yet so this matter has to be the responsibility of TM until Boris is confirmed and in no 10AlastairMeeks said:
There’s no point bending rules about access to a security briefing to accommodate someone who does not treat it seriously.Luckyguy1983 said:
Yes, but as I'm trying to say, that is not relevant when he's a the next PM. It stops being about whether he deserves a briefing, or should get to sit at the high table, and starts being about the fact that he should be briefed and included at this stage because of his forthcoming role. The only good reason I can see for excluding him is to make the political point that he is unfit to Govern. This may be true, but at this stage, it's futile to make it, and potentially results in an even less prepared PM.AlastairMeeks said:I
It was his job when he was Foreign Secretary. He opted out then, to be pictured holding a pen.Luckyguy1983 said:
It isn't on his behalf. The less suitable or capable the next PM is, the wiser and more necessary it is to brief them. To keepAlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson doesn’t fall in either group. So your bleating on his behalf is incomprehensible.Luckyguy1983 said:
I'd rather brief people who are going to be interested in the solution.AlastairMeeks said:
I’d rather brief people who are going to be interested in the problem.Luckyguy1983 said:
It really isn't about Boris's priorities. It's about who is about to be PM. What a petulant response.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson ducked out of a Cobra meeting to be photographed signing a letter. He made his choice about priorities then.dixiedean said:
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
To me it is essential Hunt stays as FO to deal with this crisis with Iran and I just hope Boris does not move him in an act of stupidity, but this is Boris !!!!
ETA betting-wise, this must strengthen the case for Hunt remaining in post.
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O/T but I'm extremely excited about the new Top Gun trailer that dropped yesterday. The F14 flying sequences in the orignal always turn me into a wide-eyed schoolboy even now and the new one looks excellent. Zoomy plane goes vroom vroom.0
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I think that is highly unlikely but I am sure he will be called a lot of thingsalex. said:
I wish people would stop calling him Boris.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We may well see TM, Hunt and Boris attending Cobra over the next few daysDecrepitJohnL said:
Boris is due at the Palace on Wednesday so it seems churlish to exclude him for the sake of a few days. Hunt is already there, of course.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not sure about your reasoning there but more specifically he has not been elected yet so this matter has to be the responsibility of TM until Boris is confirmed and in no 10AlastairMeeks said:
There’s no point bending rules about access to a security briefing to accommodate someone who does not treat it seriously.Luckyguy1983 said:
Yes, but as I'm trying to say, that is not relevant when he's a the next PM. It stops being about whether he deserves a briefing, or should get to sit at the high table, and starts being about the fact that he should be briefed and included at this stage because of his forthcoming role. The only good reason I can see for excluding him is to make the political point that he is unfit to Govern. This may be true, but at this stage, it's futile to make it, and potentially results in an even less prepared PM.AlastairMeeks said:I
It was his job when he was Foreign Secretary. He opted out then, to be pictured holding a pen.Luckyguy1983 said:
It isn't on his behalf. The less suitable or capable the next PM is, the wiser and more necessary it is to brief them. To keepAlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson doesn’t fall in either group. So your bleating on his behalf is incomprehensible.Luckyguy1983 said:
I'd rather brief people who are going to be interested in the solution.AlastairMeeks said:
I’d rather brief people who are going to be interested in the problem.Luckyguy1983 said:
It really isn't about Boris's priorities. It's about who is about to be PM. What a petulant response.AlastairMeeks said:
Boris Johnson ducked out of a Cobra meeting to be photographed signing a letter. He made his choice about priorities then.dixiedean said:
Surely Boris ought to be there. Protocol or no.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hunt attending cobra at 11.00 tonight
ETA betting-wise, this must strengthen the case for Hunt remaining in post.0 -
zoom zoom, shirleyOnboardG1 said:O/T but I'm extremely excited about the new Top Gun trailer that dropped yesterday. The F14 flying sequences in the orignal always turn me into a wide-eyed schoolboy even now and the new one looks excellent. Zoomy plane goes vroom vroom.
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