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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100

    Mauve said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Patel as Home Secretary would make Michael Howard and David Blunkett look like wet liberals

    Indeed so. Patel a fully paid up member of the hang em and flog em brigade ..... and that's just for non No Deal Tory MP's.
    Patel’s problem is that she’s thick as pigshit

    https://youtu.be/_DrsVhzbLzU
    I've seen that before and I'm still amazed. How on earth do these people become MPs? Is there really no one more sensible in the local Conservative Party willing to stand for election? And why do her constituents vote for her? What has she actually achieved or made a difference to, other than moronic grandstanding over Brexit?
    I suspect that at the selection meeting she was the most rabid anti-eu, Brexit at all costs candidate and so the ageing faithful nationalistic members with their blazers and weird ties, voted for her.
    Well I would certainly rather have a Priti Patel than another Dominic Grieve at the moment
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,283
    Is Gloria going a sign of an autumn election?
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    They don't really have a choice. It's not like they're longboats and the crew can schlep them over land.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,995

    And another moderate labourite bites the dust.

    By the time uncle thickie finally goes, the labour party take over will be complete.
    Is she a "moderate" though? She's been in the Shadow Cabinet alongside Jezza all this time.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    So Boris now puts it in his diary when he's allowed to come?
    Fair play, this is the new seriousness we expect from a pm presumptive.
    It was a very important alternative diary engagement he had to attend to. Good to know he might have considered rearranging if invited.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,221
    HYUFD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31st
    And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?
    The country voted Leave much as diehard Remainers still refuse to accept it

    Don't be an utter dimwit. Really. Just try. I know the country voted leave. I have accepted it. I would like that leave to happen on the basis of the deal which the leavers told us repeatedly would be dead easy. The country didn't vote to leave without a deal just so that you and your party could willy-wave about a date imposed on Britain by the French.

    The interests of the country are not the same as the interests of your party. In your response (and this is not the first time) you assume that they are one and the same. They are not, no matter how often diehard Boris fans like you repeat it.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Is Gloria going a sign of an autumn election?

    Maybe. I wonder if her decision was connected to Labour getting about 10% of the vote in her constituency at the local elections this year.
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,019
    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    How else do you navigate from the Arabian Gulf to the Indian Ocean and Red Sea? Portage over the Empty Quarter?
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,019
    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    You are aware where oil comes from?
    Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian waters
    The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    HYUFD said:

    The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended supported by fellow camp Boris member IDS Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31st

    What would BXP campaign pitch be if we left on, say, March 31st? Traitor Boris kept us in for six months two long?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,049
    A couple of comments:

    1. He's not a central banker, he's a generalist economist. That's usually a disqualification for these roles. (Until Christine Legarde that is, who is definitely not an economist.) The people sitting round the table with him at the MPC are going to know much more than he does about his job.

    2. Having been the UK economist at a third tier investment bank is not some indication of being a brilliant economist. Wikipedia mentions that in 2010 he was mentioned in Bloomberg as one of the top UK economists. And if that's as good as it gets...
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    35 degrees centigrade is forecast to welcome Boris Johnson as PM next Wednesday in London.
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    MauveMauve Posts: 129
    AndyJS said:

    Mauve said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Patel as Home Secretary would make Michael Howard and David Blunkett look like wet liberals

    Indeed so. Patel a fully paid up member of the hang em and flog em brigade ..... and that's just for non No Deal Tory MP's.
    Patel’s problem is that she’s thick as pigshit

    https://youtu.be/_DrsVhzbLzU
    I've seen that before and I'm still amazed. How on earth do these people become MPs? Is there really no one more sensible in the local Conservative Party willing to stand for election? And why do her constituents vote for her? What has she actually achieved or made a difference to, other than moronic grandstanding over Brexit?
    Just imagine — she could be Chancellor of the Exchequer on Wednesday. Or Foreign Secretary.
    Hopefully Boris has been told to appoint some sensible people to positions where there's real power. Although I can imagine Patel as FS and Trump getting on quite well, which is quite a depressing thought.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,221
    HYUFD said:

    Mauve said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Patel as Home Secretary would make Michael Howard and David Blunkett look like wet liberals

    Indeed so. Patel a fully paid up member of the hang em and flog em brigade ..... and that's just for non No Deal Tory MP's.
    Patel’s problem is that she’s thick as pigshit

    https://youtu.be/_DrsVhzbLzU
    I've seen that before and I'm still amazed. How on earth do these people become MPs? Is there really no one more sensible in the local Conservative Party willing to stand for election? And why do her constituents vote for her? What has she actually achieved or made a difference to, other than moronic grandstanding over Brexit?
    I suspect that at the selection meeting she was the most rabid anti-eu, Brexit at all costs candidate and so the ageing faithful nationalistic members with their blazers and weird ties, voted for her.
    Well I would certainly rather have a Priti Patel than another Dominic Grieve at the moment
    Well, of course, that's today's Tory party for you. Better a thicko with no integrity and a capacity for telling lies than someone who knows what they're talking about.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,291
    edited July 2019
    dixiedean said:

    And another moderate labourite bites the dust.

    By the time uncle thickie finally goes, the labour party take over will be complete.
    Is she a "moderate" though? She's been in the Shadow Cabinet alongside Jezza all this time.
    Well the overton window has shifted so much now....where we have actual marxists and communists in positions of power in the shadow cabinet team...Ed miliband is now basically right wing now in comparison.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100
    alex. said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    So Boris now puts it in his diary when he's allowed to come?
    Fair play, this is the new seriousness we expect from a pm presumptive.
    It was a very important alternative diary engagement he had to attend to. Good to know he might have considered rearranging if invited.
    I saw Boris on Wednesday at the hustings anyway so twice in one week was probably being greedy
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    HYUFD said:

    alex. said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    So Boris now puts it in his diary when he's allowed to come?
    Fair play, this is the new seriousness we expect from a pm presumptive.
    It was a very important alternative diary engagement he had to attend to. Good to know he might have considered rearranging if invited.
    I saw Boris on Wednesday at the hustings anyway so twice in one week was probably being greedy
    Have you personally spoken to Boris recently?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,049
    alex. said:

    HYUFD said:

    The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended supported by fellow camp Boris member IDS Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31st

    What would BXP campaign pitch be if we left on, say, March 31st? Traitor Boris kept us in for six months two long?
    That'll really resonate in 2022...
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100
    alex. said:

    HYUFD said:

    The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended supported by fellow camp Boris member IDS Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31st

    What would BXP campaign pitch be if we left on, say, March 31st? Traitor Boris kept us in for six months two long?

    If there was a general election before March 31st certainly.

    In any case either as Merkel suggested the EU removes the backstop from the WA and lets the PD determine Irish border arrangements thus enabling the WA to get a Commons majority as per the Brady arrangement or without a Tory majority No Deal on October 31st it will have to be and then we can deal with the new EU Commission having delivered Brexit not still stuck in the EU



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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,995
    Nigelb said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    You are aware where oil comes from?
    Geography is not a Brexiteer strong point, and HYUFD is trying to fit in with the new model Tory party.

    Indeed. File alongside economics, business, history, logic and international relations.
    Latin and Greek seem vital. They are strong on religion and Faith too. And by that alone we will be Saved.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,676
    HYUFD said:

    Mauve said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Patel as Home Secretary would make Michael Howard and David Blunkett look like wet liberals

    Indeed so. Patel a fully paid up member of the hang em and flog em brigade ..... and that's just for non No Deal Tory MP's.
    Patel’s problem is that she’s thick as pigshit

    https://youtu.be/_DrsVhzbLzU
    I've seen that before and I'm still amazed. How on earth do these people become MPs? Is there really no one more sensible in the local Conservative Party willing to stand for election? And why do her constituents vote for her? What has she actually achieved or made a difference to, other than moronic grandstanding over Brexit?
    I suspect that at the selection meeting she was the most rabid anti-eu, Brexit at all costs candidate and so the ageing faithful nationalistic members with their blazers and weird ties, voted for her.
    Well I would certainly rather have a Priti Patel than another Dominic Grieve at the moment
    No comment!
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    HYUFD said:

    alex. said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    So Boris now puts it in his diary when he's allowed to come?
    Fair play, this is the new seriousness we expect from a pm presumptive.
    It was a very important alternative diary engagement he had to attend to. Good to know he might have considered rearranging if invited.
    I saw Boris on Wednesday at the hustings anyway so twice in one week was probably being greedy
    But he clearly couldn’t get enough of it

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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,116
    HYUFD said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31st
    And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?
    There was a time, not a million years ago, when HYUFD was a sensible, intelligent, one-nation centre-right moderate in the Richard N mould.

    Several years of electoral defeats when trying to win election from the good burghers of Epping have, inexplicably, turned him into a Trumpton-Boris apologist/fan boy.

    It’s a sad spectacle.

    I hope one day he’ll regain his critical capacities.
    I still largely am but I also recognise the biggest vote in postwar British history has to be respected by whatever means it takes to deliver it
    How about via a united Ireland? Then the UK wouldn't be a member state of the EU anymore, and the referendum mandate will have been discharged.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,995
    AndyJS said:

    35 degrees centigrade is forecast to welcome Boris Johnson as PM next Wednesday in London.

    Will the public warm to him? Or come out in a cold sweat?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100
    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    You are aware where oil comes from?
    Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian waters
    The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.
    If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be it
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    edited July 2019
    HYUFD said:

    alex. said:

    HYUFD said:

    The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended supported by fellow camp Boris member IDS Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31st

    What would BXP campaign pitch be if we left on, say, March 31st? Traitor Boris kept us in for six months two long?

    If there was a general election before March 31st certainly.

    In any case either as Merkel suggested the EU removes the backstop from the WA and lets the PD determine Irish border arrangements thus enabling the WA to get a Commons majority as per the Brady arrangement or without a Tory majority No Deal on October 31st it will have to be and then we can deal with the new EU Commission having delivered Brexit not still stuck in the EU



    Unfortunately we’ll still be stuck with a buffoon as PM. I suppose the Tory Party might recognise his usefulness as having being outlasted and get rid of him...

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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,763
    rcs1000 said:

    A couple of comments:

    1. He's not a central banker, he's a generalist economist. That's usually a disqualification for these roles. (Until Christine Legarde that is, who is definitely not an economist.) The people sitting round the table with him at the MPC are going to know much more than he does about his job.

    2. Having been the UK economist at a third tier investment bank is not some indication of being a brilliant economist. Wikipedia mentions that in 2010 he was mentioned in Bloomberg as one of the top UK economists. And if that's as good as it gets...
    He also proposed to have Theresa May killed and eaten. That's not typical behaviour of a central banker vis a vis their prime minister.
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    rcs1000 said:

    A couple of comments:

    1. He's not a central banker, he's a generalist economist. That's usually a disqualification for these roles. (Until Christine Legarde that is, who is definitely not an economist.) The people sitting round the table with him at the MPC are going to know much more than he does about his job.

    2. Having been the UK economist at a third tier investment bank is not some indication of being a brilliant economist. Wikipedia mentions that in 2010 he was mentioned in Bloomberg as one of the top UK economists. And if that's as good as it gets...
    3. If/when a Corbynista becomes PM it makes it easier for them to make an overtly political appointment to the Bank of England, further eroding the independence of British institutions.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100
    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31st
    And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?
    The country voted Leave much as diehard Remainers still refuse to accept it

    Don't be an utter dimwit. Really. Just try. I know the country voted leave. I have accepted it. I would like that leave to happen on the basis of the deal which the leavers told us repeatedly would be dead easy. The country didn't vote to leave without a deal just so that you and your party could willy-wave about a date imposed on Britain by the French.

    The interests of the country are not the same as the interests of your party. In your response (and this is not the first time) you assume that they are one and the same. They are not, no matter how often diehard Boris fans like you repeat it.
    You and most opposition MPs clearly do not, the Withdrawal Agreement Deal was there, Labour and LD MPs had 3 chances to vote for it, they refused when most Tory MPs did vote for it.

    So if No Deal is the only remaining way to get Brexit then so be it
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    edited July 2019
    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    You are aware where oil comes from?
    Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian waters
    The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.
    If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be it
    Lol. I suppose there could be worse PMs than Johnson...
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,995
    edited July 2019

    dixiedean said:

    And another moderate labourite bites the dust.

    By the time uncle thickie finally goes, the labour party take over will be complete.
    Is she a "moderate" though? She's been in the Shadow Cabinet alongside Jezza all this time.
    Well the overton window has shifted so much now....where we have actual marxists and communists in positions of power in the shadow cabinet team...Ed miliband is now basically right wing now in comparison.
    We had quite a few actual Communists under Blair. John Reid and Mandelson to name but two.
    Gloria gets a pass cos she scrubs up well, doesn't rant, and is a diehard Remainer (apols HYUFD). Appears as a Blairite. But to call her a moderate is something of a stretch. She's well to the left of Ed M.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,354
    Gloria was initially controversial (seen as a glamorous choice parachuted in) but quickly lived it down by hard work. But all the four parties in Ashfield (which shared a ward with my old patch), including the Independents, were in my day noted for in-fighting - in amicable Broxtowe next door we used to listen to the stories with amazement. It wasn't a left-right thing, even between parties - just lots of people who couldn't stand each other. My guess is that Gloria just got tired of it.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,882
    With a majority of less than 500 and Labour telling her leave backing voters to go to hell I guess she knows the games up!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100

    HYUFD said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31st
    And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?
    There was a time, not a million years ago, when HYUFD was a sensible, intelligent, one-nation centre-right moderate in the Richard N mould.

    Several years of electoral defeats when trying to win election from the good burghers of Epping have, inexplicably, turned him into a Trumpton-Boris apologist/fan boy.

    It’s a sad spectacle.

    I hope one day he’ll regain his critical capacities.
    I still largely am but I also recognise the biggest vote in postwar British history has to be respected by whatever means it takes to deliver it
    How about via a united Ireland? Then the UK wouldn't be a member state of the EU anymore, and the referendum mandate will have been discharged.
    The DUP is still largest party in Northern Ireland and most of their voters voted Leave
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,049

    rcs1000 said:

    A couple of comments:

    1. He's not a central banker, he's a generalist economist. That's usually a disqualification for these roles. (Until Christine Legarde that is, who is definitely not an economist.) The people sitting round the table with him at the MPC are going to know much more than he does about his job.

    2. Having been the UK economist at a third tier investment bank is not some indication of being a brilliant economist. Wikipedia mentions that in 2010 he was mentioned in Bloomberg as one of the top UK economists. And if that's as good as it gets...
    3. If/when a Corbynista becomes PM it makes it easier for them to make an overtly political appointment to the Bank of England, further eroding the independence of British institutions.
    Yes, that's a very apposite point.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,291
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    And another moderate labourite bites the dust.

    By the time uncle thickie finally goes, the labour party take over will be complete.
    Is she a "moderate" though? She's been in the Shadow Cabinet alongside Jezza all this time.
    Well the overton window has shifted so much now....where we have actual marxists and communists in positions of power in the shadow cabinet team...Ed miliband is now basically right wing now in comparison.
    We had quite a few actual Communists under Blair. John Reid and Mandelson to name but two.
    Gloria gets a pass cos she scrubs up well, doesn't rant, and is a diehard Remainer (apols HYUFD). Appears as a Blairite. But to call her a moderate is something of a stretch. She's well to the left of Ed M.
    By the time mandelson and darling got to government they couldnt have been much further from the far left, as mandy famously said he was very comfortable with people being filthy rich...and now is himself.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,995
    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    You are aware where oil comes from?
    Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian waters
    The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.
    If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be it
    So they avoid the Straits of Hormuz by going around the Cape of Good Hope? They could link up with the Ullapool Inverness ferry there I suppose.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,291
    edited July 2019
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A couple of comments:

    1. He's not a central banker, he's a generalist economist. That's usually a disqualification for these roles. (Until Christine Legarde that is, who is definitely not an economist.) The people sitting round the table with him at the MPC are going to know much more than he does about his job.

    2. Having been the UK economist at a third tier investment bank is not some indication of being a brilliant economist. Wikipedia mentions that in 2010 he was mentioned in Bloomberg as one of the top UK economists. And if that's as good as it gets...
    3. If/when a Corbynista becomes PM it makes it easier for them to make an overtly political appointment to the Bank of England, further eroding the independence of British institutions.
    Yes, that's a very apposite point.
    Is it true though? I dont think they will stick to conventions regardless of what the tories have or havent done.
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,019
    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    You are aware where oil comes from?
    Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian waters
    The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.
    If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be it
    So they avoid the Straits of Hormuz by going around the Cape of Good Hope? They could link up with the Ullapool Inverness ferry there I suppose.
    Fucking LOL.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,049
    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    You are aware where oil comes from?
    Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian waters
    The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.
    If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be it
    You do realise the government doesn't have the power to make up laws like that on the fly, right?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,116
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31st
    And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?
    There was a time, not a million years ago, when HYUFD was a sensible, intelligent, one-nation centre-right moderate in the Richard N mould.

    Several years of electoral defeats when trying to win election from the good burghers of Epping have, inexplicably, turned him into a Trumpton-Boris apologist/fan boy.

    It’s a sad spectacle.

    I hope one day he’ll regain his critical capacities.
    I still largely am but I also recognise the biggest vote in postwar British history has to be respected by whatever means it takes to deliver it
    How about via a united Ireland? Then the UK wouldn't be a member state of the EU anymore, and the referendum mandate will have been discharged.
    The DUP is still largest party in Northern Ireland and most of their voters voted Leave
    The DUP isn't the Conservative party. Just declare that policy of the Conservative party is to favour a united Ireland and indicate to unionists that you believe their long-term future lies with Ireland.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,283
    I suspect this is one of the most bollx articles written in a very long time:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/19/david-davis-tipped-shock-cabinet-comeback-boris-johnson/
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100
    edited July 2019
    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    alex. said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    So Boris now puts it in his diary when he's allowed to come?
    Fair play, this is the new seriousness we expect from a pm presumptive.
    It was a very important alternative diary engagement he had to attend to. Good to know he might have considered rearranging if invited.
    I saw Boris on Wednesday at the hustings anyway so twice in one week was probably being greedy
    Have you personally spoken to Boris recently?
    No, surprisingly I am not on his speed dial.

    I have personally spoken to Boris twice, once in 2008 when I was campaigning for him to be Mayor (when I very briefly met Cameron too) and once in 2017 at CCHQ. I have spoken to May once at the old Conservative Central Office when I was a student and I have shaken John Major's hand once at a 1992 election campaign stop and I spoke to Dennis Thatcher and was in a photo stood behind Margaret Thatcher at an International Young Democratic Union event in 2001.


    That is as close as I have got to former or living PMs (I saw Blair once or twice in the 2001 campaign but not to speak to only to protest at)
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    You are aware where oil comes from?
    Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian waters
    The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.
    If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be it
    So they avoid the Straits of Hormuz by going around the Cape of Good Hope? They could link up with the Ullapool Inverness ferry there I suppose.
    We might not have to wait long for the North-West Passage to open and then they can go that way.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31st
    And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?
    There was a time, not a million years ago, when HYUFD was a sensible, intelligent, one-nation centre-right moderate in the Richard N mould.

    Several years of electoral defeats when trying to win election from the good burghers of Epping have, inexplicably, turned him into a Trumpton-Boris apologist/fan boy.

    It’s a sad spectacle.

    I hope one day he’ll regain his critical capacities.
    I still largely am but I also recognise the biggest vote in postwar British history has to be respected by whatever means it takes to deliver it
    How about via a united Ireland? Then the UK wouldn't be a member state of the EU anymore, and the referendum mandate will have been discharged.
    The DUP is still largest party in Northern Ireland and most of their voters voted Leave
    For somebody who bases their entire political outlook upon the fulfilment of an absolute majority vote in a referendum, you retain a strange attraction towards promoting outcomes on the basis of parties achieving pluralities, but not majorities of votes in election.

    Of course, independence secured only 45% of the vote in Scotland. Undeterred the only party backing the minority opinion subsequently grabbed 96% of parliamentary seats...

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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    HYUFD said:


    Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE or Oman waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian waters

    The shipping lanes are heavily controlled, and go entirely through Iranian waters at one point.

    It's really shallow in a lot of parts, so a lot of what seems like open water isn't much use.

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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,283

    Gloria was initially controversial (seen as a glamorous choice parachuted in) but quickly lived it down by hard work. But all the four parties in Ashfield (which shared a ward with my old patch), including the Independents, were in my day noted for in-fighting - in amicable Broxtowe next door we used to listen to the stories with amazement. It wasn't a left-right thing, even between parties - just lots of people who couldn't stand each other. My guess is that Gloria just got tired of it.
    Thnx for the local info.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,049

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    You are aware where oil comes from?
    Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian waters
    The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.
    If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be it
    So they avoid the Straits of Hormuz by going around the Cape of Good Hope? They could link up with the Ullapool Inverness ferry there I suppose.
    We might not have to wait long for the North-West Passage to open and then they can go that way.
    The problem with you, and with many maritime captains, is that you don't believe enough. Frankly, if you stopped listening to experts, you'd realise that there were many ways to get your tanker into the Arabian Gulf without going near the Straits of Hormuz.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100
    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    You are aware where oil comes from?
    Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian waters
    The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.
    If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be it
    So they avoid the Straits of Hormuz by going around the Cape of Good Hope? They could link up with the Ullapool Inverness ferry there I suppose.
    Well it is either that or we risk going to war with Iran within the next month or two because of their recklessness
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,221
    HYUFD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31st
    And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?
    The country voted Leave much as diehard Remainers still refuse to accept it

    Don't be an utter dimwit. Really. Just try. I know the country voted leave. I have accepted it. I would like that leave to happen on the basis of the deal which the leavers told us repeatedly would be dead easy. The country didn't vote to leave without a deal just so that you and your party could willy-wave about a date imposed on Britain by the French.

    The interests of the country are not the same as the interests of your party. In your response (and this is not the first time) you assume that they are one and the same. They are not, no matter how often diehard Boris fans like you repeat it.
    You and most opposition MPs clearly do not, the Withdrawal Agreement Deal was there, Labour and LD MPs had 3 chances to vote for it, they refused when most Tory MPs did vote for it.

    So if No Deal is the only remaining way to get Brexit then so be it
    Don't you ever dare again to tell me what my views are. Understood? I am well able to spell out what I think. I have done.

    I understand what a democracy is and, judging by what you write on here, rather better than you and those who think like you who are willing to upend Parliamentary democracy in order to get your way.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31st
    And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?
    There was a time, not a million years ago, when HYUFD was a sensible, intelligent, one-nation centre-right moderate in the Richard N mould.

    Several years of electoral defeats when trying to win election from the good burghers of Epping have, inexplicably, turned him into a Trumpton-Boris apologist/fan boy.

    It’s a sad spectacle.

    I hope one day he’ll regain his critical capacities.
    I still largely am but I also recognise the biggest vote in postwar British history has to be respected by whatever means it takes to deliver it
    How about via a united Ireland? Then the UK wouldn't be a member state of the EU anymore, and the referendum mandate will have been discharged.
    The DUP is still largest party in Northern Ireland and most of their voters voted Leave
    The DUP isn't the Conservative party. Just declare that policy of the Conservative party is to favour a united Ireland and indicate to unionists that you believe their long-term future lies with Ireland.
    It doesn't, the Tory Party still believes in the Union and will support the majority of Protestant Unionists in NI and the 64% of Leave voters in Scotland who want to deliver Brexit and preserve the Union too
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,995
    edited July 2019
    GIN1138 said:

    With a majority of less than 500 and Labour telling her leave backing voters to go to hell I guess she knows the games up!
    Which is my take. Plus she had another lucrative career before. Can have it again. Much less hassle. Also, Nick Palmer's inside info merely adds to that suspicion.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Johnson PM, IDS Deputy, Davis Foreign Secretary, Priti Patel Chancellor. Will Johnson get a majority of Tory MPs supporting him in a VoNC?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100
    edited July 2019
    alex. said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31st
    And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?
    There was a time, not a million years ago, when HYUFD was a sensible, intelligent, one-nation centre-right moderate in the Richard N mould.

    Several years of electoral defeats when trying to win election from the good burghers of Epping have, inexplicably, turned him into a Trumpton-Boris apologist/fan boy.

    It’s a sad spectacle.

    I hope one day he’ll regain his critical capacities.
    I still largely am but I also recognise the biggest vote in postwar British history has to be respected by whatever means it takes to deliver it
    How about via a united Ireland? Then the UK wouldn't be a member state of the EU anymore, and the referendum mandate will have been discharged.
    The DUP is still largest party in Northern Ireland and most of their voters voted Leave
    For somebody who bases their entire political outlook upon the fulfilment of an absolute majority vote in a referendum, you retain a strange attraction towards promoting outcomes on the basis of parties achieving pluralities, but not majorities of votes in election.

    Of course, independence secured only 45% of the vote in Scotland. Undeterred the only party backing the minority opinion subsequently grabbed 96% of parliamentary seats...

    Yes and we only had that referendum as Salmond was First Minister and the SNP won a majority, just as Cameron won a majority to enable the EU referendum the last NI Assembly elections still made the DUP largest party in NI
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,221

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A couple of comments:

    1. He's not a central banker, he's a generalist economist. That's usually a disqualification for these roles. (Until Christine Legarde that is, who is definitely not an economist.) The people sitting round the table with him at the MPC are going to know much more than he does about his job.

    2. Having been the UK economist at a third tier investment bank is not some indication of being a brilliant economist. Wikipedia mentions that in 2010 he was mentioned in Bloomberg as one of the top UK economists. And if that's as good as it gets...
    3. If/when a Corbynista becomes PM it makes it easier for them to make an overtly political appointment to the Bank of England, further eroding the independence of British institutions.
    Yes, that's a very apposite point.
    Is it true though? I dont think they will stick to conventions regardless of what the tories have or havent done.
    Agreed. But it is still easier to tear up conventions and shut down criticism for what you are doing if your opponents have helpfully salted the earth for you already.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100
    edited July 2019
    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31st
    And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?
    The country voted Leave much as diehard Remainers still refuse to accept it

    Don't be an utter dimwit. Really. Just try. I know the country voted leave. I have accepted it. I would like that leave to happen on the basis of the deal which the leavers told us repeatedly would be dead easy. The country didn't vote to leave without a deal just so that you and your party could willy-wave about a date imposed on Britain by the French.

    The interests of the country are not the same as the interests of your party. In your response (and this is not the first time) you assume that they are one and the same. They are not, no matter how often diehard Boris fans like you repeat it.
    You and most opposition MPs clearly do not, the Withdrawal Agreement Deal was there, Labour and LD MPs had 3 chances to vote for it, they refused when most Tory MPs did vote for it.

    So if No Deal is the only remaining way to get Brexit then so be it
    Don't you ever dare again to tell me what my views are. Understood? I am well able to spell out what I think. I have done.

    I understand what a democracy is and, judging by what you write on here, rather better than you and those who think like you who are willing to upend Parliamentary democracy in order to get your way.

    Yes, you understand Brexit must be stopped at all costs despite 17 million people voting for it and a majority of votes in 2017 going to parties committed to Brexit, I know
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,019
    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    You are aware where oil comes from?
    Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian waters
    The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.
    If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be it
    So they avoid the Straits of Hormuz by going around the Cape of Good Hope? They could link up with the Ullapool Inverness ferry there I suppose.
    Well it is either that or we risk going to war with Iran within the next month or two because of their recklessness
    Go and look at a map. A real one, not one Grayling or Raab drew in crayon on a Little Chef menu. Then realise what absolute shit you are spouting.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    people ridiculed Ed Miliand’s 34% strategy. HYUFD believes in a 26% strategy.

    Sorry, 51% of leavers.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,283
    alex. said:

    Johnson PM, IDS Deputy, Davis Foreign Secretary, Priti Patel Chancellor. Will Johnson get a majority of Tory MPs supporting him in a VoNC?

    Probably not. Seeing as he promised these plum jobs to several other people. Most notably Javid.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,116
    edited July 2019
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31st
    And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?
    There was a time, not a million years ago, when HYUFD was a sensible, intelligent, one-nation centre-right moderate in the Richard N mould.

    Several years of electoral defeats when trying to win election from the good burghers of Epping have, inexplicably, turned him into a Trumpton-Boris apologist/fan boy.

    It’s a sad spectacle.

    I hope one day he’ll regain his critical capacities.
    I still largely am but I also recognise the biggest vote in postwar British history has to be respected by whatever means it takes to deliver it
    How about via a united Ireland? Then the UK wouldn't be a member state of the EU anymore, and the referendum mandate will have been discharged.
    The DUP is still largest party in Northern Ireland and most of their voters voted Leave
    The DUP isn't the Conservative party. Just declare that policy of the Conservative party is to favour a united Ireland and indicate to unionists that you believe their long-term future lies with Ireland.
    It doesn't, the Tory Party still believes in the Union and will support the majority of Protestant Unionists in NI and the 64% of Leave voters in Scotland who want to deliver Brexit and preserve the Union too
    Yet more proof that you're really a diehard Remainer who's in the wrong party. Modern Tories believe in Brexit, not the union.

    image

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/18/most-conservative-members-would-see-party-destroye
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    alex. said:

    Johnson PM, IDS Deputy, Davis Foreign Secretary, Priti Patel Chancellor. Will Johnson get a majority of Tory MPs supporting him in a VoNC?

    Crikey that line up is frieghtening! What have we done to deserve the second rate Tories or third rate Labour led by Corbyn?
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658

    alex. said:

    Johnson PM, IDS Deputy, Davis Foreign Secretary, Priti Patel Chancellor. Will Johnson get a majority of Tory MPs supporting him in a VoNC?

    Crikey that line up is frieghtening! What have we done to deserve the second rate Tories or third rate Labour led by Corbyn?
    I’m so glad I don’t live in a Con/Labour marginal (if such a thing still exists)
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,995

    alex. said:

    Johnson PM, IDS Deputy, Davis Foreign Secretary, Priti Patel Chancellor. Will Johnson get a majority of Tory MPs supporting him in a VoNC?

    Crikey that line up is frieghtening! What have we done to deserve the second rate Tories or third rate Labour led by Corbyn?
    Are you sure that makes Labour third rate? If there is any truth in this. PM Boris v Corbyn. Pay your money, take your choice. Deputy. Watson v IDS. FS Davis v Thornberry. Cof E Patel v Mc Donnell.
    That doesn't look like an overwhelming Tory competence or intelligence win to me.
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    HYUFD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31st
    And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?
    The country voted Leave much as diehard Remainers still refuse to accept it

    Don't be an utter dimwit. Really. Just try. I know the country voted leave. I have accepted it. I would like that leave to happen on the basis of the deal which the leavers told us repeatedly would be dead easy. The country didn't vote to leave without a deal just so that you and your party could willy-wave about a date imposed on Britain by the French.

    The interests of the country are not the same as the interests of your party. In your response (and this is not the first time) you assume that they are one and the same. They are not, no matter how often diehard Boris fans like you repeat it.
    You and most opposition MPs clearly do not, the Withdrawal Agreement Deal was there, Labour and LD MPs had 3 chances to vote for it, they refused when most Tory MPs did vote for it.

    So if No Deal is the only remaining way to get Brexit then so be it
    Don't you ever dare again to tell me what my views are. Understood? I am well able to spell out what I think. I have done.

    I understand what a democracy is and, judging by what you write on here, rather better than you and those who think like you who are willing to upend Parliamentary democracy in order to get your way.

    Yes, you understand Brexit must be stopped at all costs despite 17 million people voting for it and a majority of votes in 2017 going to parties committed to Brexit, I know
    It was 17.4 million to be precise! I would say 50 million British citizens did not vote for any Brexit...
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100
    alex. said:

    people ridiculed Ed Miliand’s 34% strategy. HYUFD believes in a 26% strategy.

    Sorry, 51% of leavers.

    Over 46% and 48% of voters back No Deal Brexit in marginals in the North West and East Midlands in a poll today, more than back revoke or extend combined


    https://www.politico.eu/article/poll-uk-brexit-divide-deepens-as-voters-move-to-the-extremes/
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100
    alex. said:

    Johnson PM, IDS Deputy, Davis Foreign Secretary, Priti Patel Chancellor. Will Johnson get a majority of Tory MPs supporting him in a VoNC?

    Javid as Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary maybe Hunt Deputy and IDS Defence, otherwise plausible
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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900


    Crikey that line up is frieghtening! What have we done to deserve the second rate Tories or third rate Labour led by Corbyn?

    Indeed. Same problem as with Trump - almost nobody competent and/or sane wanted anything to do with his cabinet.
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    alex. said:

    alex. said:

    Johnson PM, IDS Deputy, Davis Foreign Secretary, Priti Patel Chancellor. Will Johnson get a majority of Tory MPs supporting him in a VoNC?

    Crikey that line up is frieghtening! What have we done to deserve the second rate Tories or third rate Labour led by Corbyn?
    I’m so glad I don’t live in a Con/Labour marginal (if such a thing still exists)
    I will not vote Tory or Labour at the moment: It has to be LD as a protest!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100
    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    You are aware where oil comes from?
    Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian waters
    The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.
    If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be it
    So they avoid the Straits of Hormuz by going around the Cape of Good Hope? They could link up with the Ullapool Inverness ferry there I suppose.
    Well it is either that or we risk going to war with Iran within the next month or two because of their recklessness
    Go and look at a map. A real one, not one Grayling or Raab drew in crayon on a Little Chef menu. Then realise what absolute shit you are spouting.
    Go and realise we will have to go to war with Iran alongside the USA within a few months if they keep taking our oil tankers and provoking them will make that inevitable
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,221
    HYUFD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31st
    And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?
    The country voted Leave much as diehard Remainers still refuse to accept it

    Don't be an utter dimwit. Really. Just try. I know the country voted leave. I have accepted it. I would like that leave to happen on the basis of the deal which the leavers told us repeatedly would be dead easy. The country didn't vote to leave without a deal just so that you and your party could willy-wave about a date imposed on Britain by the French.

    The interests of the country are not the same as the interests of your party. In your response (and this is not the first time) you assume that they are one and the same. They are not, no matter how often diehard Boris fans like you repeat it.
    You and most opposition MPs clearly do not, the Withdrawal Agreement Deal was there, Labour and LD MPs had 3 chances to vote for it, they refused when most Tory MPs did vote for it.

    So if No Deal is the only remaining way to get Brexit then so be it
    Don't you ever dare again to tell me what my views are. Understood? I am well able to spell out what I think. I have done.

    I understand what a democracy is and, judging by what you write on here, rather better than you and those who think like you who are willing to upend Parliamentary democracy in order to get your way.

    Yes, you understand Brexit must be stopped at all costs despite 17 million people voting for it and a majority of votes in 2017 going to parties committed to Brexit, I know
    I've had enough of you. Once again you are putting words in my mouth.

    Since you can't understand the plain English words I have used, you may as well stick to inventing what you think Boris will do.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,116
    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    You are aware where oil comes from?
    Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian waters
    The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.
    If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be it
    So they avoid the Straits of Hormuz by going around the Cape of Good Hope? They could link up with the Ullapool Inverness ferry there I suppose.
    Well it is either that or we risk going to war with Iran within the next month or two because of their recklessness
    Go and look at a map. A real one, not one Grayling or Raab drew in crayon on a Little Chef menu. Then realise what absolute shit you are spouting.
    Go and realise we will have to go to war with Iran alongside the USA within a few months if they keep taking our oil tankers and provoking them will make that inevitable
    "Go and realise we will have to to leave with EU with no deal alongside the Brexit Party within a few months if they keep taking our voters and provoking them will make that inevitable"
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    dixiedean said:

    alex. said:

    Johnson PM, IDS Deputy, Davis Foreign Secretary, Priti Patel Chancellor. Will Johnson get a majority of Tory MPs supporting him in a VoNC?

    Crikey that line up is frieghtening! What have we done to deserve the second rate Tories or third rate Labour led by Corbyn?
    Are you sure that makes Labour third rate? If there is any truth in this. PM Boris v Corbyn. Pay your money, take your choice. Deputy. Watson v IDS. FS Davis v Thornberry. Cof E Patel v Mc Donnell.
    That doesn't look like an overwhelming Tory competence or intelligence win to me.
    I dont rate either side. It is a diabolic choice that plunges to the depths of degredation and is beset by failed dogma on both sides.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31st
    And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?
    There was a time, not a million years ago, when HYUFD was a sensible, intelligent, one-nation centre-right moderate in the Richard N mould.

    Several years of electoral defeats when trying to win election from the good burghers of Epping have, inexplicably, turned him into a Trumpton-Boris apologist/fan boy.

    It’s a sad spectacle.

    I hope one day he’ll regain his critical capacities.
    I still largely am but I also recognise the biggest vote in postwar British history has to be respected by whatever means it takes to deliver it
    How about via a united Ireland? Then the UK wouldn't be a member state of the EU anymore, and the referendum mandate will have been discharged.
    The DUP is still largest party in Northern Ireland and most of their voters voted Leave
    The DUP isn't the Conservative party. Just declare that policy of the Conservative party is to favour a united Ireland and indicate to unionists that you believe their long-term future lies with Ireland.
    It doesn't, the Tory Party still believes in the Union and will support the majority of Protestant Unionists in NI and the 64% of Leave voters in Scotland who want to deliver Brexit and preserve the Union too
    Yet more proof that you're really a diehard Remainer who's in the wrong party. Modern Tories believe in Brexit, not the union.

    image

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/18/most-conservative-members-would-see-party-destroye
    Modern Tories want both Brexit and the Union, on a forced choice they prefer Brexit but only the SNP and Sinn Fein want to force that choice
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,995
    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31st
    And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?
    The country voted Leave much as diehard Remainers still refuse to accept it

    Don't be an utter dimwit. Really. Just try. I know the country voted leave. I have accepted it. I would like that leave to happen on the basis of the deal which the leavers told us repeatedly would be dead easy. The country didn't vote to leave without a deal just so that you and your party could willy-wave about a date imposed on Britain by the French.

    The interests of the country are not the same as the interests of your party. In your response (and this is not the first time) you assume that they are one and the same. They are not, no matter how often diehard Boris fans like you repeat it.
    You and most opposition MPs clearly do not, the Withdrawal Agreement Deal was there, Labour and LD MPs had 3 chances to vote for it, they refused when most Tory MPs did vote for it.

    So if No Deal is the only remaining way to get Brexit then so be it
    Don't you ever dare again to tell me what my views are. Understood? I am well able to spell out what I think. I have done.

    I understand what a democracy is and, judging by what you write on here, rather better than you and those who think like you who are willing to upend Parliamentary democracy in order to get your way.

    Yes, you understand Brexit must be stopped at all costs despite 17 million people voting for it and a majority of votes in 2017 going to parties committed to Brexit, I know
    I've had enough of you. Once again you are putting words in my mouth.

    Since you can't understand the plain English words I have used, you may as well stick to inventing what you think Boris will do.
    And you wonder why you're not Boris' go to for Bof E governor? ;)
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,116
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

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    I still largely am but I also recognise the biggest vote in postwar British history has to be respected by whatever means it takes to deliver it

    How about via a united Ireland? Then the UK wouldn't be a member state of the EU anymore, and the referendum mandate will have been discharged.
    The DUP is still largest party in Northern Ireland and most of their voters voted Leave
    The DUP isn't the Conservative party. Just declare that policy of the Conservative party is to favour a united Ireland and indicate to unionists that you believe their long-term future lies with Ireland.
    It doesn't, the Tory Party still believes in the Union and will support the majority of Protestant Unionists in NI and the 64% of Leave voters in Scotland who want to deliver Brexit and preserve the Union too
    Yet more proof that you're really a diehard Remainer who's in the wrong party. Modern Tories believe in Brexit, not the union.

    image

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/18/most-conservative-members-would-see-party-destroye
    Modern Tories want both Brexit and the Union, on a forced choice they prefer Brexit but only the SNP and Sinn Fein want to force that choice
    You don't think a No Deal Brexit forces that choice?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    You are aware where oil comes from?
    Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian waters
    The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.
    If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be it
    So they avoid the Straits of Hormuz by going around the Cape of Good Hope? They could link up with the Ullapool Inverness ferry there I suppose.
    Well it is either that or we risk going to war with Iran within the next month or two because of their recklessness
    Go and look at a map. A real one, not one Grayling or Raab drew in crayon on a Little Chef menu. Then realise what absolute shit you are spouting.
    Go and realise we will have to go to war with Iran alongside the USA within a few months if they keep taking our oil tankers and provoking them will make that inevitable
    "Go and realise we will have to to leave with EU with no deal alongside the Brexit Party within a few months if they keep taking our voters and provoking them will make that inevitable"
    We are provoking them by refusing to respect the Brexit vote
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,947
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31st
    And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?
    There was a time, not a million years ago, when HYUFD was a sensible, intelligent, one-nation centre-right moderate in the Richard N mould.

    Several years of electoral defeats when trying to win election from the good burghers of Epping have, inexplicably, turned him into a Trumpton-Boris apologist/fan boy.

    It’s a sad spectacle.

    I hope one day he’ll regain his critical capacities.
    I still largely am but I also recognise the biggest vote in postwar British history has to be respected by whatever means it takes to deliver it
    How about via a united Ireland? Then the UK wouldn't be a member state of the EU anymore, and the referendum mandate will have been discharged.
    The DUP is still largest party in Northern Ireland and most of their voters voted Leave
    The DUP isn't the Conservative party. Just declare that policy of the Conservative party is to favour a united Ireland and indicate to unionists that you believe their long-term future lies with Ireland.
    It doesn't, the Tory Party still believes in the Union and will support the majority of Protestant Unionists in NI and the 64% of Leave voters in Scotland who want to deliver Brexit and preserve the Union too
    Yet more proof that you're really a diehard Remainer who's he union.

    image

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/18/most-conservative-members-would-see-party-destroye
    Modern Tories want both Brexit and the Union, on a forced choice they prefer Brexit but only the SNP and Sinn Fein want to force that choice
    Tories want to force that choice.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100
    edited July 2019

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I still largely am but I also recognise the biggest vote in postwar British history has to be respected by whatever means it takes to deliver it

    How about via a united Ireland? Then the UK wouldn't be a member state of the EU anymore, and the referendum mandate will have been discharged.
    The DUP is still largest party in Northern Ireland and most of their voters voted Leave
    The DUP isn't the Conservative party. Just declare that policy of the Conservative party is to favour a united Ireland and indicate to unionists that you believe their long-term future lies with Ireland.
    It doesn't, the Tory Party still believes in the Union and will support the majority of Protestant Unionists in NI and the 64% of Leave voters in Scotland who want to deliver Brexit and preserve the Union too
    Yet more proof that you're really a diehard Remainer who's in the wrong party. Modern Tories believe in Brexit, not the union.

    image

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/18/most-conservative-members-would-see-party-destroye
    Modern Tories want both Brexit and the Union, on a forced choice they prefer Brexit but only the SNP and Sinn Fein want to force that choice
    You don't think a No Deal Brexit forces that choice?
    No, not necessarily.

    In Scotland the SNP may be in power but 52% of Scots still back the Union even with Brexit with No Deal on this Panelbase poll, if down from 55% in 2014.
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/no-deal-brexit-pushes-scots-to-break-from-the-uk-shows-poll-5kkpfb2dv

    Plus the DUP are still largest party in NI anyway and held the First Minister post until the executive was suspended and both Boris and Hunt have committed to avoid a hard border in Ireland
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    4% profit if you think Boris will be next PM.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.125575094
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    alex. said:

    alex. said:

    Johnson PM, IDS Deputy, Davis Foreign Secretary, Priti Patel Chancellor. Will Johnson get a majority of Tory MPs supporting him in a VoNC?

    Crikey that line up is frieghtening! What have we done to deserve the second rate Tories or third rate Labour led by Corbyn?
    I’m so glad I don’t live in a Con/Labour marginal (if such a thing still exists)
    Opinion polls currently suggest that it is plausible that both the Conservatives and Labour have lost around half of their 2017 voters. Half.

    While that doesn't make the 2017GE results entirely irrelevant when trying to work out what will happen at the next GE it certainly suggests that there's no longer any such thing as a Con/Lab marginal.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    alex. said:

    alex. said:

    Johnson PM, IDS Deputy, Davis Foreign Secretary, Priti Patel Chancellor. Will Johnson get a majority of Tory MPs supporting him in a VoNC?

    Crikey that line up is frieghtening! What have we done to deserve the second rate Tories or third rate Labour led by Corbyn?
    I’m so glad I don’t live in a Con/Labour marginal (if such a thing still exists)
    Opinion polls currently suggest that it is plausible that both the Conservatives and Labour have lost around half of their 2017 voters. Half.

    While that doesn't make the 2017GE results entirely irrelevant when trying to work out what will happen at the next GE it certainly suggests that there's no longer any such thing as a Con/Lab marginal.
    Pretty much. The actual figure is 45% with the latest polling average I think.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100
    edited July 2019
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

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    HYUFD said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31st
    And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?
    There was a timne day he’ll regain his critical capacities.
    I still largely am but I also recognise the biggest vote in postwar British history has to be respected by whatever means it takes to deliver it
    How about d.
    The DUP is still largest party in Northern Ireland and most of their voters voted Leave
    The DUP isn't the Conservative party. Just declare that policy of the Conservative party is to favour a united Ireland and indicate to unionists that you believe their long-term future lies with Ireland.
    It doesn't, the Tory Party stilhe Union too
    Yet more proof that you're really a diehard Remainer who's he union.

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    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/18/most-conservative-members-would-see-party-destroye
    Modern Tories want both Brexit and the Union, on a forced choice they prefer Brexit but only the SNP and Sinn Fein want to force that choice
    Tories want to force that choice.
    No, the Tories and DUP want Brexit and the Union. The SNP and Sinn Fein want neither.


    According to Curtice while 51% of Remainers in Scotland now back Yes, 64% of Scottish Leavers still back No and the latter constitute the majority of Scottish Tory and Scottish Brexit Party voters.


    http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2019/07/could-brexit-yet-undermine-the-future-of-the-british-state/.

    In Northern Ireland 7/10 DUP constituencies voted Leave
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,377
    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

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    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

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    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    You are aware where oil comes from?
    Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian waters
    The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.
    If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be it
    So they avoid the Straits of Hormuz by going around the Cape of Good Hope? They could link up with the Ullapool Inverness ferry there I suppose.
    Well it is either that or we risk going to war with Iran within the next month or two because of their recklessness
    Go and look at a map. A real one, not one Grayling or Raab drew in crayon on a Little Chef menu. Then realise what absolute shit you are spouting.
    Go and realise we will have to go to war with Iran alongside the USA within a few months if they keep taking our oil tankers and provoking them will make that inevitable
    Have you signed up yet?
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    TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840
    https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1152218470161031170

    Not that it will happen anyway but would be happy for a leadership challenge.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,377
    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    You are aware where oil comes from?
    Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian waters
    The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.
    If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be it
    Cape of Good Hope? Are you Dominic Raab in disguise? :lol:
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100
    edited July 2019

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    You are aware where oil comes from?
    Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian waters
    The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.
    If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be it
    So they avoid the Straits of Hormuz by going around the Cape of Good Hope? They could link up with the Ullapool Inverness ferry there I suppose.
    Well it is either that or we risk going to war with Iran within the next month or two because of their recklessness
    Go and look at a map. A real one, not one Grayling or Raab drew in crayon on a Little Chef menu. Then realise what absolute shit you are spouting.
    Go and realise we will have to go to war with Iran alongside the USA within a few months if they keep taking our oil tankers and provoking them will make that inevitable
    Have you signed up yet?
    If Iran is capturing tankers flying the UK flag then obviously those who have signed up for the military may well be involved at least in air strikes as a minimum on Iran, maybe with submarine launched missiles ordered by PM Boris probably aided by President Trump, especially if they have been captured in what are supposed to be international waters.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100
    edited July 2019

    https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1152218470161031170

    Not that it will happen anyway but would be happy for a leadership challenge.

    72% of Corbyn 2016 voters and 74% of Labour members who voted Labour in the European Parliament elections are still happy with him, the party remains a Corbynite party even if 87% of Owen Smith supporters and 85% of Labour members who voted LD in the European Parliament elections think he is doing badly
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,184
    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    You are aware where oil comes from?
    Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian waters
    The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.
    If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be it
    I’m guessing we’ve all been looking at this map made by Diehard Remainers peddling Project Fear and of we only had more confidence in ourselves we could jolly well drag those oil tankers across the Arabian Desert using our buccaneering spirit!


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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100
    edited July 2019
    With his party comfortably leading the polls, Salvini threatens to withdraw from the governing coalition and force an autumn general election in Italy after Five Star backed Von der Leyen as EU Commission President and unless Five Star backs tax cuts and more powers for the regions

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-19/all-of-italy-is-waiting-for-salvini-to-decide-about-snap-vote
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100
    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    You are aware where oil comes from?
    Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian waters
    The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.
    If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be it
    I’m guessing we’ve all been looking at this map made by Diehard Remainers peddling Project Fear and of we only had more confidence in ourselves we could jolly well drag those oil tankers across the Arabian Desert using our buccaneering spirit!


    Well if you are insistent that is the only way to do it, war with Iran or at least air and missile strikes it will have to be to ensure free passage through the Straits
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,184
    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    You are aware where oil comes from?
    Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian waters
    The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.
    If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be it
    I’m guessing we’ve all been looking at this map made by Diehard Remainers peddling Project Fear and of we only had more confidence in ourselves we could jolly well drag those oil tankers across the Arabian Desert using our buccaneering spirit!


    Well if you are insistent that is the only way to do it, war with Iran or at least air and missile strikes it will have to be to ensure free passage through the Straits
    Yeah. That always works.
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,019
    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    You are aware where oil comes from?
    Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian waters
    The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.
    If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be it
    I’m guessing we’ve all been looking at this map made by Diehard Remainers peddling Project Fear and of we only had more confidence in ourselves we could jolly well drag those oil tankers across the Arabian Desert using our buccaneering spirit!


    Well if you are insistent that is the only way to do it, war with Iran or at least air and missile strikes it will have to be to ensure free passage through the Straits
    Or we could give them their tanker back.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100
    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    You are aware where oil comes from?
    Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian waters
    The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.
    If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be it
    I’m guessing we’ve all been looking at this map made by Diehard Remainers peddling Project Fear and of we only had more confidence in ourselves we could jolly well drag those oil tankers across the Arabian Desert using our buccaneering spirit!


    Well if you are insistent that is the only way to do it, war with Iran or at least air and missile strikes it will have to be to ensure free passage through the Straits
    Or we could give them their tanker back.
    Which we will if proved it was not carrying oil to the Syrian regime
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    MangoMango Posts: 1,013
    IanB2 said:



    Lol @ Patel in a top job. Would even Bozo plumb such depths?

    With Raab and IDS in there, she'd have half a crack at not being the worst in the cabinet.

    She'd probably see them off though: they're too lazy to reach for true incompetent glory.
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    kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 3,962
    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.

    Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
    You are aware where oil comes from?
    Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian waters
    The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.
    If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be it
    I’m guessing we’ve all been looking at this map made by Diehard Remainers peddling Project Fear and of we only had more confidence in ourselves we could jolly well drag those oil tankers across the Arabian Desert using our buccaneering spirit!


    Well if you are insistent that is the only way to do it, war with Iran or at least air and missile strikes it will have to be to ensure free passage through the Straits
    Yeah. That always works.
    Of course, as is well known, whenever you capitulate to a bully, the bullying always stops.
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    If Boris rolls the Dice with an Out at any cost pledge and wins a General Election Corbyn is toast .If Corbyn fails to win extra seats in any general election he is toast .An Et Tu (you choose the knifeman) moment and Corbyn is toast .5/2 three chances looks a sporting wager .
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