To all Liberal Democrats on PB: I am hearing that Davey [ who is my MP ] is doing better than expected. Is this correct ? I am asking this because the person who gave me this information is not neutral, shall we say.
I'd be surprised if any voter takes it seriously anymore. Whoever is pumping out these stories yesterday accused him of consorting with an Orthodox Rabbi who is a homophobe! They didn't understand there's no such thing as an orthodox rabbi who isn't a homophobe!
Are there Orthodox Rabbis who don't write emails to other Rabbis, copied in to all of the local Jewish population, addressing them as 'Kapo', like this homophobic chap did?
I can't understand a word of the JC article. Not a first by any means. If you know an Orthodox Rabbi who believes homosexuality is acceptable then you aren't Jewish or you don't know any Orthodox Jews let alone Orthodox Rabbis. There's enough crap to throw at Corbyn without dredging up this nonsense. My sense is he isn't anti semitic and I believe if he was I'd know it
It's pretty fricking straightforward.
Corbyn's best Rabbi friend, who is a massive homophobe, addressed another Rabbi, Avraham Pinter, as "Kapo Pinter".
Kapo was the term used in concentration camps for the Jewish prisoners who got slightly favourable treatment for supervising their fellow prisoners.
This man is a disgusting individual even if, as you're seemingly happy to, you can ignore his horrible homophobia.
I got that much but what does that have to do with Corbyn or my origina post.? A spat between Rabbis is as common as a Man City win. One of the great things about orthodox rabbis is their learning. If he chooses to use the word 'Capo' however tasteless that's up to him. Neither of them are morons. They don't need your council or the JC's
I gather Kapo is also a term that gets thrown about quite a bit at the gamier end of discussions about Israel etc, particularly at Jews who criticise Israel or defend Corbyn (eg Chomsky and Michael Rosen).
Is false recall really the right term? I get there could be confusion about voting some ways back, but surely no one without a problem 'recalls' incorrectly so recently?
Not everyone takes the decision so seriously that it's indelibly marked in their memory.
That's a reason not to remember who you voted for in 79, or 97, but come on, it's so casual people actually forget within a few years?
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
Lol @ Patel in a top job. Would even Bozo plumb such depths?
Patel as Home Secretary would make Michael Howard and David Blunkett look like wet liberals
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
Lol @ Patel in a top job. Would even Bozo plumb such depths?
Patel as Home Secretary would make Michael Howard and David Blunkett look like wet liberals
For those of the yellow peril bent and others refraining from excess on a Friday evening may wish to consider an hour of fun and frolics with Jo and Ed on BBC News at 7:00pm as another hustings hit the airwaves.
See as they fight over the future of LibDem bar charts, the greater meaning of STV and whether a new leader should sport a beard and sandals at the State Opening of Parliament - Jo not keen on sandals apparently !!
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
First day on the job, he finds out you can get a train to Brussels from London.
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
Lol @ Patel in a top job. Would even Bozo plumb such depths?
Patel as Home Secretary would make Michael Howard and David Blunkett look like wet liberals
I'm reluctant to ask if that's that's an outcome that fills you with pleasurable anticipation or dread.
To all Liberal Democrats on PB: I am hearing that Davey [ who is my MP ] is doing better than expected. Is this correct ? I am asking this because the person who gave me this information is not neutral, shall we say.
He’s had the better of the campaign and is still working very hard. He’s also helped by being the more experienced and heavyweight figure at a time when momentous events could be just around the corner.
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
.. a new EU Commission which takes office on November 1st. Don't you see a teeny-weeny little flaw here?
I'd be surprised if any voter takes it seriously anymore. Whoever is pumping out these stories yesterday accused him of consorting with an Orthodox Rabbi who is a homophobe! They didn't understand there's no such thing as an orthodox rabbi who isn't a homophobe!
Are there Orthodox Rabbis who don't write emails to other Rabbis, copied in to all of the local Jewish population, addressing them as 'Kapo', like this homophobic chap did?
I can't understand a word of the JC article. Not a first by any means. If you know an Orthodox Rabbi who believes homosexuality is acceptable then you aren't Jewish or you don't know any Orthodox Jews let alone Orthodox Rabbis. There's enough crap to throw at Corbyn without dredging up this nonsense. My sense is he isn't anti semitic and I believe if he was I'd know it
It's pretty fricking straightforward.
Corbyn's best Rabbi friend, who is a massive homophobe, addressed another Rabbi, Avraham Pinter, as "Kapo Pinter".
Kapo was the term used in concentration camps for the Jewish prisoners who got slightly favourable treatment for supervising their fellow prisoners.
This man is a disgusting individual even if, as you're seemingly happy to, you can ignore his horrible homophobia.
I got that much but what does that have to do with Corbyn or my origina post.? A spat between Rabbis is as common as a Man City win. One of the great things about orthodox rabbis is their learning. If he chooses to use the word 'Capo' however tasteless that's up to him. Neither of them are morons. They don't need your council or the JC's
I gather Kapo is also a term that gets thrown about quite a bit at the gamier end of discussions about Israel etc, particularly at Jews who criticise Israel or defend Corbyn (eg Chomsky and Michael Rosen).
Correct. There's more disinformation over Corbyn's 'anti semitism' than Johnson's kipper.
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
Renegotiation? What renegotiation?
And why would Bozo want to renegotiate when he voted in favour of the existing deal?
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
Lol @ Patel in a top job. Would even Bozo plumb such depths?
Patel as Home Secretary would make Michael Howard and David Blunkett look like wet liberals
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
There is probably only one bigger misogynist in parliament than Boris, and he is one Jeremy Corbyn. what a state we are in. Can't we pressgang some captains of industry, mix them with some decent quality trade unionists, a doctor here and a successful lawyer there, and end up with a government that is actually made up of decent talent? Instead we have a choice between a washed up thicko Marxist, and a gaffe-prone polemicist who has the attention span, the attention to detail and the leadership capability of a goldfish
Why would anyone with any sense become a politician - you can earn more money and do more good elsewhere...
I doubt most of those donkeys could unless it was daddy or old school tie hiring them
I'd be surprised if any voter takes it seriously anymore. Whoever is pumping out these stories yesterday accused him of consorting with an Orthodox Rabbi who is a homophobe! They didn't understand there's no such thing as an orthodox rabbi who isn't a homophobe!
Are there Orthodox Rabbis who don't write emails to other Rabbis, copied in to all of the local Jewish population, addressing them as 'Kapo', like this homophobic chap did?
I can't understand a word of the JC article. Not a first by any means. If you know an Orthodox Rabbi who believes homosexuality is acceptable then you aren't Jewish or you don't know any Orthodox Jews let alone Orthodox Rabbis. There's enough crap to throw at Corbyn without dredging up this nonsense. My sense is he isn't anti semitic and I believe if he was I'd know it
It's pretty fricking straightforward.
Corbyn's best Rabbi friend, who is a massive homophobe, addressed another Rabbi, Avraham Pinter, as "Kapo Pinter".
Are you sure he's a close friend of Corbyn? There were complaints a couple of days ago that Corbyn had met him, which makes it sound as though they probably aren't personal friends.
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
Renegotiation? What renegotiation?
And why would Bozo want to renegotiate when he voted in favour of the existing deal?
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
.. a new EU Commission which takes office on November 1st. Don't you see a teeny-weeny little flaw here?
Couple it with those idiots sitting alone at a table wondering what to do next
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
.. a new EU Commission which takes office on November 1st. Don't you see a teeny-weeny little flaw here?
It would explain a lot if HYUFD thought November (and probably several other months) came before October.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
.. a new EU Commission which takes office on November 1st. Don't you see a teeny-weeny little flaw here?
Oh, you've made a rooky error. When Johnson talked about a October 31st deadline, he wasn't talking about *this* year.
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
Lol @ Patel in a top job. Would even Bozo plumb such depths?
Patel as Home Secretary would make Michael Howard and David Blunkett look like wet liberals
We could have hanging back for Christmas!
Her current plan to is to dig up expired murderers and to posthumously hang them.
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
There's something both delicious and incredibly dangerous in this, of people nowhere near the competence required put in charge of potentially mammothly intricate tasks. The results are bound to be patriotic bluster and failure on any objective terms, as with David Davis - but the stakes and timeframe make it all the more dangerous this time. It's all a bit reminiscent of an enjoyably bad horror movie with real life consequences, or something like the 1970s movie Rollerball.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
.. a new EU Commission which takes office on November 1st. Don't you see a teeny-weeny little flaw here?
Yes exactly ! The sensible approach would have been to say , as there’s a new commission which comes in 1 st November and with the holidays where nothing much will get done Bozo or Hunt should have said we’ll ask for an extension to make sure new negotiations could get finished and the legislation passed by the Commons .
Instead we have an October 31 st date which can’t be met even if there’s a new deal . The EU WA took 50 days to get through the Commons and the Lords .
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
.. a new EU Commission which takes office on November 1st. Don't you see a teeny-weeny little flaw here?
Looking to the future, a week is certainly a long time in politics but yesterday is a wee bit late .....
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
Renegotiation? What renegotiation?
And why would Bozo want to renegotiate when he voted in favour of the existing deal?
(After resigning over it)
He didn't resign over it. He resigned because he feared the reaction to it would cost him his cherished status as Headbanger in Chief if he didn't.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
.. a new EU Commission which takes office on November 1st. Don't you see a teeny-weeny little flaw here?
Oh, you've made a rooky error. When Johnson talked about a October 31st deadline, he wasn't talking about *this* year.
As soon as he wins he can seamlessly add "2021" to the promise.
If Corbyn were to depart, there is a big void in the list of potential candidates to take over, as the only people he trusts are those he has known for ever (McDonnell, Abbott) or completely green and inexperienced (Pidcock, Long Bailey, Butler).
Starmer is more bureaucrat than politician and that wont play well after May. Thornberry is poor but may get rewarded for her loyalty. McDonnell would get those concerned about anti semitism back on board, but would be equally scary to Tory remainers as Corbyn.
Outside the shadow cabinet Watson would be too polarising and the other senior figures too far to the right.
Not sure what the conclusion is, McDonnell possibly overpriced at 20?
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
.. a new EU Commission which takes office on November 1st. Don't you see a teeny-weeny little flaw here?
Oh, you've made a rooky error. When Johnson talked about a October 31st deadline, he wasn't talking about *this* year.
Bernard Montgomery promised the soldiers of the 8th Army in a speech before El Alamein in October 1942 that if they broke the Afrika Korps In the upcoming battle he would have them home for Christmas.
As my grandfather, a senior officer in 2nd New Zealand Division drily noted, he forgot to mention the Christmas in question was Christmas 1944.
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
Should Rees Mogg put his assets in a blind trust before doing sensitive negotiations over which he can make a fortune? Or are ethics for the twentieth century as in the US?
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
I feel like at this point you've given yourself over entirely to the noble pursuit of triggering the libs
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
Should Rees Mogg put his assets in a blind trust before doing sensitive negotiations over which he can make a fortune? Or are ethics for the twentieth century as in the US?
As his soulmate Nigel Farage seems to have been relatively open about his financial dealings on Brexit night, I doubt very much that Jacob Rees-Mogg will have any qualms about personally gaining from the process at all. His father's book actively encouraged him to.
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
I feel like at this point you've given yourself over entirely to the noble pursuit of triggering the libs
This is a Trumpian art ; HYUFD more honestly believes and supports his views slightly more than Trump, I think.
'the UK's Food Standards Agency producing an official guide on the hygiene of mail order food, in force since 2007. It notes that "perishable foods" are defined as those that are required by law, for food safety reasons, to be kept chilled or refrigerated.
'Interestingly, it cites the applicable law as Regulation (EC) no. 852/2004, and in particular Article 4.3 which requires the compliance with temperature control requirements in order to maintain the cold chain. And, within that regulation is a requirement for national hygiene guides to be produced, conformity with which "must be taken into account when assessing compliance with legislation." We come full circle.
'Thus, while the Commission spokesperson talks about "national rules" as if they were something separate, standing clear of Union law and entirely under the control of the Member State, they are actually an integrated part of a complex system which involves multiple agencies, trade associations and national bodies.
'Yet, any rules or guides must be directed at implementing the EU's hygiene package and be compatible with it. Furthermore, they must be submitted to the Commission for approval before they apply. They are, therefore, determined by the framework of EU law, even if there is some flexibility afforded in the wording. Effectively, even "national rules" are EU mandated. The Commission can't simply walk away from this, trilling "it's local". That's not how the system works.'
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
I can see Raab as FS and the reason why BoJo could appoint him. Raab is more of a buffoon than Boris himself.
'the UK's Food Standards Agency producing an official guide on the hygiene of mail order food, in force since 2007. It notes that "perishable foods" are defined as those that are required by law, for food safety reasons, to be kept chilled or refrigerated.
'Interestingly, it cites the applicable law as Regulation (EC) no. 852/2004, and in particular Article 4.3 which requires the compliance with temperature control requirements in order to maintain the cold chain. And, within that regulation is a requirement for national hygiene guides to be produced, conformity with which "must be taken into account when assessing compliance with legislation." We come full circle.
'Thus, while the Commission spokesperson talks about "national rules" as if they were something separate, standing clear of Union law and entirely under the control of the Member State, they are actually an integrated part of a complex system which involves multiple agencies, trade associations and national bodies.
'Yet, any rules or guides must be directed at implementing the EU's hygiene package and be compatible with it. Furthermore, they must be submitted to the Commission for approval before they apply. They are, therefore, determined by the framework of EU law, even if there is some flexibility afforded in the wording. Effectively, even "national rules" are EU mandated. The Commission can't simply walk away from this, trilling "it's local". That's not how the system works.'
If Corbyn were to depart, there is a big void in the list of potential candidates to take over, as the only people he trusts are those he has known for ever (McDonnell, Abbott) or completely green and inexperienced (Pidcock, Long Bailey, Butler).
Starmer is more bureaucrat than politician and that wont play well after May. Thornberry is poor but may get rewarded for her loyalty. McDonnell would get those concerned about anti semitism back on board, but would be equally scary to Tory remainers as Corbyn.
Outside the shadow cabinet Watson would be too polarising and the other senior figures too far to the right.
Not sure what the conclusion is, McDonnell possibly overpriced at 20?
Definitely overpriced. But Emily will be the next leader.
If Corbyn were to depart, there is a big void in the list of potential candidates to take over, as the only people he trusts are those he has known for ever (McDonnell, Abbott) or completely green and inexperienced (Pidcock, Long Bailey, Butler).
Starmer is more bureaucrat than politician and that wont play well after May. Thornberry is poor but may get rewarded for her loyalty. McDonnell would get those concerned about anti semitism back on board, but would be equally scary to Tory remainers as Corbyn.
Outside the shadow cabinet Watson would be too polarising and the other senior figures too far to the right.
Not sure what the conclusion is, McDonnell possibly overpriced at 20?
Definitely overpriced. But Emily will be the next leader.
Not with 54% of Labour members still backing Corbyn, McDonnell, Pidcock or Long Bailey more likely
Boris has not had the Trump superfandom of Farage (who even addressed a Mississippi Trump rally well before Trump beat Hillary) but past Boris statements are water under the bridge and of course Boris can also say he insulted Hillary, comparing her to 'a sadistic nurse in a mental hospital'
I think it’s pretty clear now that suspending Parliament isn’t going to happen unless Bozo has completely lost the plot .
The mere act of doing this to reduce the time for MPs to sit given the passing of the amendment would go down very badly.
What yesterday’s drama shows is that MPs will continue to find ways to amend even innocuous looking legislation .
Although yesterday’s vote doesn’t stop a no deal it was critical that it passed . Another defeat for those seeking to stop a no deal could have shattered the confidence that it could be stopped .
The win rejuvenates those seeking to do that , additionally the lack of a rebellion amongst the more pro Leave Labour MPs was also a positive sign .
When push came to shove the more moderate Tories did stand up , this was another critical marker.
Bizarely Bozo forced MPs into a vote , he really didn’t need to do this , simply ruling out suspension would have not seen a likely win for this amendment, it might not even have been tabled .
So hes about to start his premiership already having made a bad move , the defeat may have technically been under Mays watch but this was a vote against him .
'the UK's Food Standards Agency producing an official guide on the hygiene of mail order food, in force since 2007. It notes that "perishable foods" are defined as those that are required by law, for food safety reasons, to be kept chilled or refrigerated.
'Interestingly, it cites the applicable law as Regulation (EC) no. 852/2004, and in particular Article 4.3 which requires the compliance with temperature control requirements in order to maintain the cold chain. And, within that regulation is a requirement for national hygiene guides to be produced, conformity with which "must be taken into account when assessing compliance with legislation." We come full circle.
'Thus, while the Commission spokesperson talks about "national rules" as if they were something separate, standing clear of Union law and entirely under the control of the Member State, they are actually an integrated part of a complex system which involves multiple agencies, trade associations and national bodies.
'Yet, any rules or guides must be directed at implementing the EU's hygiene package and be compatible with it. Furthermore, they must be submitted to the Commission for approval before they apply. They are, therefore, determined by the framework of EU law, even if there is some flexibility afforded in the wording. Effectively, even "national rules" are EU mandated. The Commission can't simply walk away from this, trilling "it's local". That's not how the system works.'
Requiring fresh food to be refrigerated isn't an obviously stupid rule. Is it really the outrage Johnson claims, if the EU is involved in setting a rule that the UK would have applied anyway?
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
There's something both delicious and incredibly dangerous in this, of people nowhere near the competence required put in charge of potentially mammothly intricate tasks. The results are bound to be patriotic bluster and failure on any objective terms, as with David Davis - but the stakes and timeframe make it all the more dangerous this time. It's all a bit reminiscent of an enjoyably bad horror movie with real life consequences, or something like the 1970s movie Rollerball.
Geoffrey Cox is one of the highest earning QCs in the country but because he is a Brexiteer diehard Remainers insist 'he lacks competence'
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
Lol @ Patel in a top job. Would even Bozo plumb such depths?
Patel as Home Secretary would make Michael Howard and David Blunkett look like wet liberals
Will the first hanging be free-to-air or pay-per-view ? Well before 9:00 pm, I take it.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
.. a new EU Commission which takes office on November 1st. Don't you see a teeny-weeny little flaw here?
The Withdrawal Agreement can be passed minus the backstop by October 31st as the Brady amendment showed already has a Commons majority, then as Merkel suggested today the technical solution for the Irish border can be dealt with in the Political Declaration and future relationship which is not legally binding
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
There's something both delicious and incredibly dangerous in this, of people nowhere near the competence required put in charge of potentially mammothly intricate tasks. The results are bound to be patriotic bluster and failure on any objective terms, as with David Davis - but the stakes and timeframe make it all the more dangerous this time. It's all a bit reminiscent of an enjoyably bad horror movie with real life consequences, or something like the 1970s movie Rollerball.
Geoffrey Cox is one of the highest earning QCs in the country but because he is a Brexiteer diehard Remainers insist 'he lacks competence'
I am sure @Cyclefree can regale us with stories of utterly incompetent yet highly paid QCs.
Edit - this one sprang to mind, although an historic example:
'the UK's Food Standards Agency producing an official guide on the hygiene of mail order food, in force since 2007. It notes that "perishable foods" are defined as those that are required by law, for food safety reasons, to be kept chilled or refrigerated.
'Interestingly, it cites the applicable law as Regulation (EC) no. 852/2004, and in particular Article 4.3 which requires the compliance with temperature control requirements in order to maintain the cold chain. And, within that regulation is a requirement for national hygiene guides to be produced, conformity with which "must be taken into account when assessing compliance with legislation." We come full circle.
'Thus, while the Commission spokesperson talks about "national rules" as if they were something separate, standing clear of Union law and entirely under the control of the Member State, they are actually an integrated part of a complex system which involves multiple agencies, trade associations and national bodies.
'Yet, any rules or guides must be directed at implementing the EU's hygiene package and be compatible with it. Furthermore, they must be submitted to the Commission for approval before they apply. They are, therefore, determined by the framework of EU law, even if there is some flexibility afforded in the wording. Effectively, even "national rules" are EU mandated. The Commission can't simply walk away from this, trilling "it's local". That's not how the system works.'
Requiring fresh food to be refrigerated isn't an obviously stupid rule. Is it really the outrage Johnson claims, if the EU is involved in setting a rule that the UK would have applied anyway?
Yes God Forbid , the general public should be protected against things like listeria. I’m beginning to think if the EU had a cure for cancer some Leavers would still trash it because it said EU.
If Corbyn were to depart, there is a big void in the list of potential candidates to take over, as the only people he trusts are those he has known for ever (McDonnell, Abbott) or completely green and inexperienced (Pidcock, Long Bailey, Butler).
Starmer is more bureaucrat than politician and that wont play well after May. Thornberry is poor but may get rewarded for her loyalty. McDonnell would get those concerned about anti semitism back on board, but would be equally scary to Tory remainers as Corbyn.
Outside the shadow cabinet Watson would be too polarising and the other senior figures too far to the right.
Not sure what the conclusion is, McDonnell possibly overpriced at 20?
Definitely overpriced. But Emily will be the next leader.
You've done it now !!!!!!!!!!!!
Thornberry in hospital after being knocked off her bike :
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
Lol @ Patel in a top job. Would even Bozo plumb such depths?
Patel as Home Secretary would make Michael Howard and David Blunkett look like wet liberals
Will the first hanging be free-to-air or pay-per-view ? Well before 9:00 pm, I take it.
Perhaps we will have a version of the Schwarzenegger film 'the Running Man' hosted by Piers Morgan?
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
.. a new EU Commission which takes office on November 1st. Don't you see a teeny-weeny little flaw here?
The Withdrawal Agreement can be passed minus the backstop by October 31st as the Brady amendment showed already has a Commons majority, then as Merkel suggested today the technical solution for the Irish border can be dealt with in the Political Declaration and future relationship which is not legally binding
'the UK's Food Standards Agency producing an official guide on the hygiene of mail order food, in force since 2007. It notes that "perishable foods" are defined as those that are required by law, for food safety reasons, to be kept chilled or refrigerated.
'Interestingly, it cites the applicable law as Regulation (EC) no. 852/2004, and in particular Article 4.3 which requires the compliance with temperature control requirements in order to maintain the cold chain. And, within that regulation is a requirement for national hygiene guides to be produced, conformity with which "must be taken into account when assessing compliance with legislation." We come full circle.
'Thus, while the Commission spokesperson talks about "national rules" as if they were something separate, standing clear of Union law and entirely under the control of the Member State, they are actually an integrated part of a complex system which involves multiple agencies, trade associations and national bodies.
'Yet, any rules or guides must be directed at implementing the EU's hygiene package and be compatible with it. Furthermore, they must be submitted to the Commission for approval before they apply. They are, therefore, determined by the framework of EU law, even if there is some flexibility afforded in the wording. Effectively, even "national rules" are EU mandated. The Commission can't simply walk away from this, trilling "it's local". That's not how the system works.'
Requiring fresh food to be refrigerated isn't an obviously stupid rule. Is it really the outrage Johnson claims, if the EU is involved in setting a rule that the UK would have applied anyway?
Yes God Forbid , the general public should be protected against things like listeria. I’m beginning to think if the EU had a cure for cancer some Leavers would still trash it because it said EU.
Are you advocating things like chlorinated chicken?
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
Lol @ Patel in a top job. Would even Bozo plumb such depths?
Patel as Home Secretary would make Michael Howard and David Blunkett look like wet liberals
Will the first hanging be free-to-air or pay-per-view ? Well before 9:00 pm, I take it.
If Hunt is in the government, he'll swing it for Sky.
'the UK's Food Standards Agency producing an official guide on the hygiene of mail order food, in force since 2007. It notes that "perishable foods" are defined as those that are required by law, for food safety reasons, to be kept chilled or refrigerated.
'Interestingly, it cites the applicable law as Regulation (EC) no. 852/2004, and in particular Article 4.3 which requires the compliance with temperature control requirements in order to maintain the cold chain. And, within that regulation is a requirement for national hygiene guides to be produced, conformity with which "must be taken into account when assessing compliance with legislation." We come full circle.
'Thus, while the Commission spokesperson talks about "national rules" as if they were something separate, standing clear of Union law and entirely under the control of the Member State, they are actually an integrated part of a complex system which involves multiple agencies, trade associations and national bodies.
'Yet, any rules or guides must be directed at implementing the EU's hygiene package and be compatible with it. Furthermore, they must be submitted to the Commission for approval before they apply. They are, therefore, determined by the framework of EU law, even if there is some flexibility afforded in the wording. Effectively, even "national rules" are EU mandated. The Commission can't simply walk away from this, trilling "it's local". That's not how the system works.'
Requiring fresh food to be refrigerated isn't an obviously stupid rule. Is it really the outrage Johnson claims, if the EU is involved in setting a rule that the UK would have applied anyway?
As the piece linked to suggests, though unaccountably left off the highlighted section.
'In that, Johnson may be right on a technicality that the EU Law (in part) does require chilled kippers – for once, wrong-footing the Commission - but he is wholly wrong in criticising an essentially sensible measure.'
Of course whatever shitey Brexit we end up with, if we want a piece of the EU kipper action we'll still have to comply with EU rules. That'll be completely different from the current oppressive situation where we have to comply with EU rules.
'the UK's Food Standards Agency producing an official guide on the hygiene of mail order food, in force since 2007. It notes that "perishable foods" are defined as those that are required by law, for food safety reasons, to be kept chilled or refrigerated.
'Interestingly, it cites the applicable law as Regulation (EC) no. 852/2004, and in particular Article 4.3 which requires the compliance with temperature control requirements in order to maintain the cold chain. And, within that regulation is a requirement for national hygiene guides to be produced, conformity with which "must be taken into account when assessing compliance with legislation." We come full circle.
'Thus, while the Commission spokesperson talks about "national rules" as if they were something separate, standing clear of Union law and entirely under the control of the Member State, they are actually an integrated part of a complex system which involves multiple agencies, trade associations and national bodies.
'Yet, any rules or guides must be directed at implementing the EU's hygiene package and be compatible with it. Furthermore, they must be submitted to the Commission for approval before they apply. They are, therefore, determined by the framework of EU law, even if there is some flexibility afforded in the wording. Effectively, even "national rules" are EU mandated. The Commission can't simply walk away from this, trilling "it's local". That's not how the system works.'
Requiring fresh food to be refrigerated isn't an obviously stupid rule. Is it really the outrage Johnson claims, if the EU is involved in setting a rule that the UK would have applied anyway?
Yes God Forbid , the general public should be protected against things like listeria. I’m beginning to think if the EU had a cure for cancer some Leavers would still trash it because it said EU.
My father (an epidemiologist) commented the real ridiculousness of this regulation is that listeria thrives at lower temperatures.
So far from protecting us, this regulation, whatever moron passed it, actually does the opposite.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
.. a new EU Commission which takes office on November 1st. Don't you see a teeny-weeny little flaw here?
The Withdrawal Agreement can be passed minus the backstop by October 31st as the Brady amendment showed already has a Commons majority, then as Merkel suggested today the technical solution for the Irish border can be dealt with in the Political Declaration and future relationship which is not legally binding
And, the ERG will accept this ?
Most of them yes minus the backstop and the DUP, see the Commons majority for the Brady amendment
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
There's something both delicious and incredibly dangerous in this, of people nowhere near the competence required put in charge of potentially mammothly intricate tasks. The results are bound to be patriotic bluster and failure on any objective terms, as with David Davis - but the stakes and timeframe make it all the more dangerous this time. It's all a bit reminiscent of an enjoyably bad horror movie with real life consequences, or something like the 1970s movie Rollerball.
Geoffrey Cox is one of the highest earning QCs in the country but because he is a Brexiteer diehard Remainers insist 'he lacks competence'
I am sure @Cyclefree can regale us with stories of utterly incompetent yet highly paid QCs.
Edit - this one sprang to mind, although an historic example:
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
There's something both delicious and incredibly dangerous in this, of people nowhere near the competence required put in charge of potentially mammothly intricate tasks. The results are bound to be patriotic bluster and failure on any objective terms, as with David Davis - but the stakes and timeframe make it all the more dangerous this time. It's all a bit reminiscent of an enjoyably bad horror movie with real life consequences, or something like the 1970s movie Rollerball.
Geoffrey Cox is one of the highest earning QCs in the country but because he is a Brexiteer diehard Remainers insist 'he lacks competence'
I am sure @Cyclefree can regale us with stories of utterly incompetent yet highly paid QCs.
Edit - this one sprang to mind, although an historic example:
'the UK's Food Standards Agency producing an official guide on the hygiene of mail order food, in force since 2007. It notes that "perishable foods" are defined as those that are required by law, for food safety reasons, to be kept chilled or refrigerated.
'Interestingly, it cites the applicable law as Regulation (EC) no. 852/2004, and in particular Article 4.3 which requires the compliance with temperature control requirements in order to maintain the cold chain. And, within that regulation is a requirement for national hygiene guides to be produced, conformity with which "must be taken into account when assessing compliance with legislation." We come full circle.
'Thus, while the Commission spokesperson talks about "national rules" as if they were something separate, standing clear of Union law and entirely under the control of the Member State, they are actually an integrated part of a complex system which involves multiple agencies, trade associations and national bodies.
'Yet, any rules or guides must be directed at implementing the EU's hygiene package and be compatible with it. Furthermore, they must be submitted to the Commission for approval before they apply. They are, therefore, determined by the framework of EU law, even if there is some flexibility afforded in the wording. Effectively, even "national rules" are EU mandated. The Commission can't simply walk away from this, trilling "it's local". That's not how the system works.'
Requiring fresh food to be refrigerated isn't an obviously stupid rule. Is it really the outrage Johnson claims, if the EU is involved in setting a rule that the UK would have applied anyway?
As the piece linked to suggests, though unaccountably left off the highlighted section.
'In that, Johnson may be right on a technicality that the EU Law (in part) does require chilled kippers – for once, wrong-footing the Commission - but he is wholly wrong in criticising an essentially sensible measure.'
Of course whatever shitey Brexit we end up with, if we want a piece of the EU kipper action we'll still have to comply with EU rules. That'll be completely different from the current oppressive situation where we have to comply with EU rules.
I agree, but Johnson's outrage is about being forced to do things we decided to do anyway
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
There's something both delicious and incredibly dangerous in this, of people nowhere near the competence required put in charge of potentially mammothly intricate tasks. The results are bound to be patriotic bluster and failure on any objective terms, as with David Davis - but the stakes and timeframe make it all the more dangerous this time. It's all a bit reminiscent of an enjoyably bad horror movie with real life consequences, or something like the 1970s movie Rollerball.
Geoffrey Cox is one of the highest earning QCs in the country but because he is a Brexiteer diehard Remainers insist 'he lacks competence'
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
.. a new EU Commission which takes office on November 1st. Don't you see a teeny-weeny little flaw here?
The Withdrawal Agreement can be passed minus the backstop by October 31st as the Brady amendment showed already has a Commons majority, then as Merkel suggested today the technical solution for the Irish border can be dealt with in the Political Declaration and future relationship which is not legally binding
But the Brady amendment already passed...
So, ummm, it should all be fine and dusted already, right?
Preamble point 5: 'These principles constitute a common basis for the hygienic production of all food, including products of animal origin listed in Annex I to the Treaty.' Article 1: 'This Regulation lays down general rules for food business operators on the hygiene of foodstuffs, taking particular account of the following principles:... (c) it is important, for food that cannot be stored safely at ambient temperatures, particularly frozen food, to maintain the cold chain... This Regulation shall apply to all stages of production, processing and distribution of food and to exports, and without prejudice to more specific requirements relating to food hygiene.' Article 2: '"processing" means any action that substantially alters the initial product, including heating, smoking, curing, maturing, drying, marinating, extraction, extrusion or a combination of those processes;' Article 4.2: 'Food business operators carrying out any stage of production, processing and distribution of food after those stages to which paragraph 1 applies shall comply with the general hygiene requirements laid down in Annex II' Article 4.3: 'Food business operators shall, as appropriate, adopt the following specific hygiene measures... (c) compliance with temperature control requirements for foodstuffs; (d) maintenance of the cold chain;' Annex II, Chapter IV, article 7: 'Where necessary, conveyances and/or containers used for transporting foodstuffs are to be capable of maintaining foodstuffs at appropriate temperatures'.
Requiring fresh food to be refrigerated isn't an obviously stupid rule. Is it really the outrage Johnson claims, if the EU is involved in setting a rule that the UK would have applied anyway?
Requiring smoked and vacuum-packed food to be refrigerated may well be, though I'm not that concerned about the specifics. The interesting points highlighted are twofold: how deeply EU law has permeated every aspect of UK life, and how willing people are to accept a false contradiction if it makes someone they don't like look foolish.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
.. a new EU Commission which takes office on November 1st. Don't you see a teeny-weeny little flaw here?
The Withdrawal Agreement can be passed minus the backstop by October 31st as the Brady amendment showed already has a Commons majority, then as Merkel suggested today the technical solution for the Irish border can be dealt with in the Political Declaration and future relationship which is not legally binding
Brady amendment is history; merely a unicorn to enable the Tories to look like they have a proposal whilst ducking the hard issues.
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
There's something both delicious and incredibly dangerous in this, of people nowhere near the competence required put in charge of potentially mammothly intricate tasks. The results are bound to be patriotic bluster and failure on any objective terms, as with David Davis - but the stakes and timeframe make it all the more dangerous this time. It's all a bit reminiscent of an enjoyably bad horror movie with real life consequences, or something like the 1970s movie Rollerball.
Geoffrey Cox is one of the highest earning QCs in the country but because he is a Brexiteer diehard Remainers insist 'he lacks competence'
I am sure @Cyclefree can regale us with stories of utterly incompetent yet highly paid QCs.
Edit - this one sprang to mind, although an historic example:
'the UK's Food Standards Agency producing an official guide on the hygiene of mail order food, in force since 2007. It notes that "perishable foods" are defined as those that are required by law, for food safety reasons, to be kept chilled or refrigerated.
'Interestingly, it cites the applicable law as Regulation (EC) no. 852/2004, and in particular Article 4.3 which requires the compliance with temperature control requirements in order to maintain the cold chain. And, within that regulation is a requirement for national hygiene guides to be produced, conformity with which "must be taken into account when assessing compliance with legislation." We come full circle.
'Thus, while the Commission spokesperson talks about "national rules" as if they were something separate, standing clear of Union law and entirely under the control of the Member State, they are actually an integrated part of a complex system which involves multiple agencies, trade associations and national bodies.
'Yet, any rules or guides must be directed at implementing the EU's hygiene package and be compatible with it. Furthermore, they must be submitted to the Commission for approval before they apply. They are, therefore, determined by the framework of EU law, even if there is some flexibility afforded in the wording. Effectively, even "national rules" are EU mandated. The Commission can't simply walk away from this, trilling "it's local". That's not how the system works.'
THANK YOU. At last someone has said it. And people have the audacity to blame Brexit on successive Governments' so called 'euroskepticism', when actually they've been giving the EU cover for years by implementing its harmonisations as national policy.
'the UK's Food Standards Agency producing an official guide on the hygiene of mail order food, in force since 2007. It notes that "perishable foods" are defined as those that are required by law, for food safety reasons, to be kept chilled or refrigerated.
'Interestingly, it cites the applicable law as Regulation (EC) no. 852/2004, and in particular Article 4.3 which requires the compliance with temperature control requirements in order to maintain the cold chain. And, within that regulation is a requirement for national hygiene guides to be produced, conformity with which "must be taken into account when assessing compliance with legislation." We come full circle.
'Thus, while the Commission spokesperson talks about "national rules" as if they were something separate, standing clear of Union law and entirely under the control of the Member State, they are actually an integrated part of a complex system which involves multiple agencies, trade associations and national bodies.
'Yet, any rules or guides must be directed at implementing the EU's hygiene package and be compatible with it. Furthermore, they must be submitted to the Commission for approval before they apply. They are, therefore, determined by the framework of EU law, even if there is some flexibility afforded in the wording. Effectively, even "national rules" are EU mandated. The Commission can't simply walk away from this, trilling "it's local". That's not how the system works.'
Requiring fresh food to be refrigerated isn't an obviously stupid rule. Is it really the outrage Johnson claims, if the EU is involved in setting a rule that the UK would have applied anyway?
As the piece linked to suggests, though unaccountably left off the highlighted section.
'In that, Johnson may be right on a technicality that the EU Law (in part) does require chilled kippers – for once, wrong-footing the Commission - but he is wholly wrong in criticising an essentially sensible measure.'
Of course whatever shitey Brexit we end up with, if we want a piece of the EU kipper action we'll still have to comply with EU rules. That'll be completely different from the current oppressive situation where we have to comply with EU rules.
I agree, but Johnson's outrage is about being forced to do things we decided to do anyway
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
There's something both delicious and incredibly dangerous in this, of people nowhere near the competence required put in charge of potentially mammothly intricate tasks. The results are bound to be patriotic bluster and failure on any objective terms, as with David Davis - but the stakes and timeframe make it all the more dangerous this time. It's all a bit reminiscent of an enjoyably bad horror movie with real life consequences, or something like the 1970s movie Rollerball.
Geoffrey Cox is one of the highest earning QCs in the country but because he is a Brexiteer diehard Remainers insist 'he lacks competence'
I am sure @Cyclefree can regale us with stories of utterly incompetent yet highly paid QCs.
Edit - this one sprang to mind, although an historic example:
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
There's something both delicious and incredibly dangerous in this, of people nowhere near the competence required put in charge of potentially mammothly intricate tasks. The results are bound to be patriotic bluster and failure on any objective terms, as with David Davis - but the stakes and timeframe make it all the more dangerous this time. It's all a bit reminiscent of an enjoyably bad horror movie with real life consequences, or something like the 1970s movie Rollerball.
Geoffrey Cox is one of the highest earning QCs in the country but because he is a Brexiteer diehard Remainers insist 'he lacks competence'
I am sure @Cyclefree can regale us with stories of utterly incompetent yet highly paid QCs.
Edit - this one sprang to mind, although an historic example:
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
There's something both delicious and incredibly dangerous in this, of people nowhere near the competence required put in charge of potentially mammothly intricate tasks. The results are bound to be patriotic bluster and failure on any objective terms, as with David Davis - but the stakes and timeframe make it all the more dangerous this time. It's all a bit reminiscent of an enjoyably bad horror movie with real life consequences, or something like the 1970s movie Rollerball.
Geoffrey Cox is one of the highest earning QCs in the country but because he is a Brexiteer diehard Remainers insist 'he lacks competence'
Wasn’t he the one who stood up in the Commons and told his Tory colleagues they were legislators, not children, and needed to avoid the disaster of no deal?
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
There's something both delicious and incredibly dangerous in this, of people nowhere near the competence required put in charge of potentially mammothly intricate tasks. The results are bound to be patriotic bluster and failure on any objective terms, as with David Davis - but the stakes and timeframe make it all the more dangerous this time. It's all a bit reminiscent of an enjoyably bad horror movie with real life consequences, or something like the 1970s movie Rollerball.
Geoffrey Cox is one of the highest earning QCs in the country but because he is a Brexiteer diehard Remainers insist 'he lacks competence'
I am sure @Cyclefree can regale us with stories of utterly incompetent yet highly paid QCs.
Edit - this one sprang to mind, although an historic example:
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
There's something both delicious and incredibly dangerous in this, of people nowhere near the competence required put in charge of potentially mammothly intricate tasks. The results are bound to be patriotic bluster and failure on any objective terms, as with David Davis - but the stakes and timeframe make it all the more dangerous this time. It's all a bit reminiscent of an enjoyably bad horror movie with real life consequences, or something like the 1970s movie Rollerball.
Geoffrey Cox is one of the highest earning QCs in the country but because he is a Brexiteer diehard Remainers insist 'he lacks competence'
Wasn’t he the one who stood up in the Commons and told his Tory colleagues they were legislators, not children, and needed to avoid the disaster of no deal?
He voted for the Brady amendment and backed Leave and has not voted to try and block No Deal
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(PS Your MP probably my leader)
See as they fight over the future of LibDem bar charts, the greater meaning of STV and whether a new leader should sport a beard and sandals at the State Opening of Parliament - Jo not keen on sandals apparently !!
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnsons-kipper-rant-utterly-18335542
So could well be true.
And why would Bozo want to renegotiate when he voted in favour of the existing deal?
(After resigning over it)
Rees-Mogg part of the negotiations !
Instead we have an October 31 st date which can’t be met even if there’s a new deal . The EU WA took 50 days to get through the Commons and the Lords .
The WAIB will be much bigger .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/49049692
Starmer is more bureaucrat than politician and that wont play well after May. Thornberry is poor but may get rewarded for her loyalty. McDonnell would get those concerned about anti semitism back on board, but would be equally scary to Tory remainers as Corbyn.
Outside the shadow cabinet Watson would be too polarising and the other senior figures too far to the right.
Not sure what the conclusion is, McDonnell possibly overpriced at 20?
As my grandfather, a senior officer in 2nd New Zealand Division drily noted, he forgot to mention the Christmas in question was Christmas 1944.
'the UK's Food Standards Agency producing an official guide on the hygiene of mail order food, in force since 2007. It notes that "perishable foods" are defined as those that are required by law, for food safety reasons, to be kept chilled or refrigerated.
'Interestingly, it cites the applicable law as Regulation (EC) no. 852/2004, and in particular Article 4.3 which requires the compliance with temperature control requirements in order to maintain the cold chain. And, within that regulation is a requirement for national hygiene guides to be produced, conformity with which "must be taken into account when assessing compliance with legislation." We come full circle.
'Thus, while the Commission spokesperson talks about "national rules" as if they were something separate, standing clear of Union law and entirely under the control of the Member State, they are actually an integrated part of a complex system which involves multiple agencies, trade associations and national bodies.
'Yet, any rules or guides must be directed at implementing the EU's hygiene package and be compatible with it. Furthermore, they must be submitted to the Commission for approval before they apply. They are, therefore, determined by the framework of EU law, even if there is some flexibility afforded in the wording. Effectively, even "national rules" are EU mandated. The Commission can't simply walk away from this, trilling "it's local". That's not how the system works.'
https://twitter.com/fidelmacook/status/1152266668535685120?s=20
Boris has not had the Trump superfandom of Farage (who even addressed a Mississippi Trump rally well before Trump beat Hillary) but past Boris statements are water under the bridge and of course Boris can also say he insulted Hillary, comparing her to 'a sadistic nurse in a mental hospital'
The mere act of doing this to reduce the time for MPs to sit given the passing of the amendment would go down very badly.
What yesterday’s drama shows is that MPs will continue to find ways to amend even innocuous looking legislation .
Although yesterday’s vote doesn’t stop a no deal it was critical that it passed . Another defeat for those seeking to stop a no deal could have shattered the confidence that it could be stopped .
The win rejuvenates those seeking to do that , additionally the lack of a rebellion amongst the more pro Leave Labour MPs was also a positive sign .
When push came to shove the more moderate Tories did stand up , this was another critical marker.
Bizarely Bozo forced MPs into a vote , he really didn’t need to do this , simply ruling out suspension would have not seen a likely win for this amendment, it might not even have been tabled .
So hes about to start his premiership already having made a bad move , the defeat may have technically been under Mays watch but this was a vote against him .
Getting close to a popular US President is one thing . Sucking up to a racist lunatic who is very unpopular in the UK won’t do him any favours.
Labour MP Emily Thornberry in hospital after bicycle accident
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49046447
Fortunately sounds like she's not too badly hurt.
Edit - this one sprang to mind, although an historic example:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mervyn_Griffith-Jones
Thornberry in hospital after being knocked off her bike :
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49046447
I wonder whether a man from Islington is helping police with their enquiries ?!?! ..
https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/07/voters-would-love-boris-round-for-dinner-but-even-his-biggest-fans-would-pick-hunt-to-babysit-their-children/
'In that, Johnson may be right on a technicality that the EU Law (in part) does require chilled kippers – for once, wrong-footing the Commission - but he is wholly wrong in criticising an essentially sensible measure.'
Of course whatever shitey Brexit we end up with, if we want a piece of the EU kipper action we'll still have to comply with EU rules. That'll be completely different from the current oppressive situation where we have to comply with EU rules.
That sets the bar so high.
So far from protecting us, this regulation, whatever moron passed it, actually does the opposite.
So, ummm, it should all be fine and dusted already, right?
Preamble point 5: 'These principles constitute a common basis for the hygienic production of all food, including products of animal origin listed in Annex I to the Treaty.'
Article 1: 'This Regulation lays down general rules for food business operators on the hygiene of foodstuffs, taking particular account of the following principles:... (c) it is important, for food that cannot be stored safely at ambient temperatures, particularly frozen food, to maintain the cold chain... This Regulation shall apply to all stages of production, processing and distribution of food and to exports, and without prejudice to more specific requirements relating to food hygiene.'
Article 2: '"processing" means any action that substantially alters the initial product, including heating, smoking, curing, maturing, drying, marinating, extraction, extrusion or a combination of those processes;'
Article 4.2: 'Food business operators carrying out any stage of production, processing and distribution of food after those stages to which paragraph 1 applies shall comply with the general hygiene requirements laid down in Annex II'
Article 4.3: 'Food business operators shall, as appropriate, adopt the following specific hygiene measures... (c) compliance with temperature control requirements for foodstuffs; (d) maintenance of the cold chain;'
Annex II, Chapter IV, article 7: 'Where necessary, conveyances and/or containers used for transporting foodstuffs are to be capable of maintaining foodstuffs at appropriate temperatures'. Requiring smoked and vacuum-packed food to be refrigerated may well be, though I'm not that concerned about the specifics. The interesting points highlighted are twofold: how deeply EU law has permeated every aspect of UK life, and how willing people are to accept a false contradiction if it makes someone they don't like look foolish.
Whether I'm an Oracle of wisdom I will leave to others.
I can certainly regale you with lots of stories. But you'll need to be very nice indeed to me.
LMAO - Seriously, you've outdone yourself there.
Like saying Michelangelo was an ok decorator.