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  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    First.. 54% satisfaction does rather imply he would currently still win a confidence vote though...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,679
    Don’t misunderestimate Corbyn.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    eek said:

    First.. 54% satisfaction does rather imply he would currently still win a confidence vote though...

    Not least because a challenger would have their own pros and cons.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    You'll be able to produce this same chart for Boris in the middle of 2020 too.
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,494
    I can't see him going before an election. whether there is an election or not this side of Brexit is still to be determined
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    Pulpstar said:

    You'll be able to produce this same chart for Boris in the middle of 2020 too.

    June 2020 is a bit late. I suspect Boris's figures will be that (or worse) by November 5th
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,238
    Pulpstar said:

    You'll be able to produce this same chart for Boris in the middle of 2020 too.

    Sounds optimistic for him.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,679
    Pulpstar said:

    You'll be able to produce this same chart for Boris in the middle of 2020 too.

    Middle of November 2019 if he extends/revokes Article 50.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    eek said:

    Pulpstar said:

    You'll be able to produce this same chart for Boris in the middle of 2020 too.

    June 2020 is a bit late. I suspect Boris's figures will be that (or worse) by November 5th
    Pulpstar meant 20:20 next Thursday. :)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,238
    Ben Stokes nominated for New Zealander of the Year:
    https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27219433/ben-stokes-nominated-new-zealander-year
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133
    Good job they cancelled idea of another jezfest.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,679
    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1152232119172812803?s=21
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited July 2019
    If Labour had a half-way decent leader they'd be in government by now. Choosing and then sticking with Corbyn was an extraordinary act of political self-harm, exceeded only by the self-harm the Conservative Party is engaged in.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    If Labour had a half-way decent leader they'd be in government by now. Choosing and then sticking with Corbyn is an extraordinary act of political self-harm, exceeded only by the self-harm the Conservative Party is engaged in.

    If Corbyn wasn't leader - Labour would have actively campaigned for Remain and things would have been different.

    I'm blaming that Weasel in CERN personally....
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited July 2019
    And let's not forget the EHRC investigation, which I expect will be absolutely damning.
  • JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,775
    I like my 5/2s to be a bit more nailed on than this.

    He might end up doing well against Boris.

    Proper socialist Vs Proper upper class twit.

    It's the fight we've all been waiting for.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    edited July 2019
    Whatever he had he's lost. Brexit has rightly killed him. A leader can't sit on a fence. The battlefield is littered with bifurcated ex leaders. If Thornberry or Starmer take over they might still save the party. If it's Tom Watson or Long Bailey then they might as wll keep Corbyn and implode
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited July 2019
    It would be a loss to entertainment if Corbyn doesn't face the electorate at the next general election.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    It's all a BBC, Guardian, Tory, Capitalist, Zionist, Remainer, Blairite, Glastonbury, Lizard and PB Forum plot.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    /twitter.com/skynews/status/1152232119172812803?s=21

    I wonder who leaked these emails?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    eek said:

    Pulpstar said:

    You'll be able to produce this same chart for Boris in the middle of 2020 too.

    June 2020 is a bit late. I suspect Boris's figures will be that (or worse) by November 5th
    Surely whatever happens Boris is nailed on for a Lewes pyre :) ?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Fenster said:

    It's all a BBC, Guardian, Tory, Capitalist, Zionist, Remainer, Blairite, Glastonbury, Lizard and PB Forum plot.

    https://twitter.com/Maomentum_/status/1151780402308296705
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1152235166707920897?s=20
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,038
    Another factor to consider is the changing make-up of the Labour membership. There has been a decline in numbers over the past 12 months but it is not clear to me whether this is predominantly moderates who have done a Chuka or entryists who have failed to renew their membership and gone back to wherever they came from.

    Anyway, I don't think that Jezza will be challenged, I think he'll be eased aside on the assurance that at least one candidate from the left will be on the ballot. Mind, I suggested this 2 years ago and he's still there!
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    Scott_P said:

    Fenster said:

    It's all a BBC, Guardian, Tory, Capitalist, Zionist, Remainer, Blairite, Glastonbury, Lizard and PB Forum plot.

    https://twitter.com/Maomentum_/status/1151780402308296705
    https://twitter.com/Maomentum_/status/1152110916105752577
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1152185473848303616
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    SandyRentool said:

    Another factor to consider is the changing make-up of the Labour membership. There has been a decline in numbers over the past 12 months but it is not clear to me whether this is predominantly moderates who have done a Chuka or entryists who have failed to renew their membership and gone back to wherever they came from.

    https://twitter.com/DavidHirsh/status/1152136369633988609
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    TGOHF said:

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1152235166707920897?s=20

    Good. The Electoral Commission's behaviour in this has been appalling, as was their extraordinary action in penalising Vote Leave for following their own advice.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1152232119172812803?s=21

    I'd be surprised if any voter takes it seriously anymore. Whoever is pumping out these stories yesterday accused him of consorting with an Orthodox Rabbi who is a homophobe! They didn't understand there's no such thing as an orthodox rabbi who isn't a homophobe!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    AndyJS said:

    It would be a loss to entertainment if Corbyn doesn't face the electorate at the next general election.

    It would also mean that the last 3 or 4 years of Opposition have been almost completely an utter waste of time, since 90% of what has been done is to just endlessly defend the Jezza against attacks.
  • TrèsDifficileTrèsDifficile Posts: 1,729
    Roger said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1152232119172812803?s=21

    I'd be surprised if any voter takes it seriously anymore. Whoever is pumping out these stories yesterday accused him of consorting with an Orthodox Rabbi who is a homophobe! They didn't understand there's no such thing as an orthodox rabbi who isn't a homophobe!
    Are there Orthodox Rabbis who don't write emails to other Rabbis, copied in to all of the local Jewish population, addressing them as 'Kapo', like this homophobic chap did?

    https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/anti-ofsted-charedi-activist-shraga-stern-sparks-anger-by-calling-rabbi-pinter-kapo-1.481714
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    If Labour had a half-way decent leader they'd be in government by now. Choosing and then sticking with Corbyn was an extraordinary act of political self-harm, exceeded only by the self-harm the Conservative Party is engaged in.

    Perhaps this will be known as the Era of Self-Harm (aka Putin's Triumph) , when the West, and the UK in particular decided to have a period of anti-renaissance. A new political dark age of regression and crass stupidity.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Simon Johnson of the Jewish Leadership Council on Sky News states only two political parties have been investigated by the EHRC - The BNP and the Labour Party.

    Jezza et al in good company then .... :unamused:

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,617
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

    Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313
    AndyJS said:

    It would be a loss to entertainment if Corbyn doesn't face the electorate at the next general election.

    It will be a loss to the Conservative Party. The only factor that is keeping the likes of HYUFD thinking Boris Johnson is the new messiah is because the old Labour Messiah is so inherently crap
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1152235971171274753
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,806
    Mr. Foremain, I disagree with your implication that the EU is the modern equivalent of the Renaissance. It is not.

    Moving powers from nation states to a centralised bureaucracy is a retrograde step. The very fact that the discussion has moved from "The EU does not have too much power" to "Leaving with devastate the economy and risk destroying the UK" suggests that one of those two things is not true.

    Democracy isn't perfect but it's better than the alternatives, and the continual ceding of powers entrusted to the stewardship of British politicians from Westminster to Brussels is just one reason why the EU is questionable at best. The long term diametric opposition of powerful forces (the mechanical/ideological desire for greater integration versus the desire of free peoples to hold their elected national politicians to account) makes the EU fundamentally unstable in the long term.

    An associate membership with most of the economics retained and most of the politics stripped away is the obvious answer. But the EU thinks the answer to everything is 'more Europe' (by which they mean continual integration of power held by nation states into the bureaucratic centre) whilst the UK will never ask for such a thing.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    MarqueeMark said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

    Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
    Thanks to TSE, I've got a mother at 22/1.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313
    MarqueeMark said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

    Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
    There is probably only one bigger misogynist in parliament than Boris, and he is one Jeremy Corbyn. what a state we are in. Can't we pressgang some captains of industry, mix them with some decent quality trade unionists, a doctor here and a successful lawyer there, and end up with a government that is actually made up of decent talent? Instead we have a choice between a washed up thicko Marxist, and a gaffe-prone polemicist who has the attention span, the attention to detail and the leadership capability of a goldfish
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    Nigel_Foremain said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

    Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
    There is probably only one bigger misogynist in parliament than Boris, and he is one Jeremy Corbyn. what a state we are in. Can't we pressgang some captains of industry, mix them with some decent quality trade unionists, a doctor here and a successful lawyer there, and end up with a government that is actually made up of decent talent? Instead we have a choice between a washed up thicko Marxist, and a gaffe-prone polemicist who has the attention span, the attention to detail and the leadership capability of a goldfish
    Why would anyone with any sense become a politician - you can earn more money and do more good elsewhere...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Interesting point.

    "Mr Johnson would remain committed to his ‘do or die’ stance on a no-deal Brexit until after the Conservative party conference in September."

    https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0719/1064100-lord-adonis-brexit/
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,744
    On topic, 5/2 seems reasonable. Apart from the risk of him being forced out against his will, throwing in the towel in favour of a chosen successor, or retiring on health grounds, there's also the possibility of his resigning after losing an autumn election. None of these are especially likely but I think implied odds of 28% understate the combined probability.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    edited July 2019
    It's not enough, it was 51/49 during the coup in 2016 and he still won comfortably. As mentioned many of his opponents have left the party altogether as well. At least his cult status has gone though, he'd be toast after a General Election defeat.
  • TrèsDifficileTrèsDifficile Posts: 1,729
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1152232119172812803?s=21

    Do we know which "very important hearing" was scheduled for July 2018, which Murphy wanted to rig the panel for?
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,744
    rottenborough said:

    Interesting point.

    "Mr Johnson would remain committed to his ‘do or die’ stance on a no-deal Brexit until after the Conservative party conference in September."

    https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0719/1064100-lord-adonis-brexit/

    I can't think of anyone less suited to dispassionately analyse likely Tory strategy, tactics and policy on Brexit than Adonis - or indeed his analysis on any part of Brexit.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,038
    MarqueeMark said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

    Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
    I'm sure that Bozo is preparing the casting couch in readiness.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    TrèsDifficile said:

    Roger said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1152232119172812803?s=21

    I'd be surprised if any voter takes it seriously anymore. Whoever is pumping out these stories yesterday accused him of consorting with an Orthodox Rabbi who is a homophobe! They didn't understand there's no such thing as an orthodox rabbi who isn't a homophobe!
    Are there Orthodox Rabbis who don't write emails to other Rabbis, copied in to all of the local Jewish population, addressing them as 'Kapo', like this homophobic chap did?

    https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/anti-ofsted-charedi-activist-shraga-stern-sparks-anger-by-calling-rabbi-pinter-kapo-1.481714
    I can't understand a word of the JC article. Not a first by any means. If you know an Orthodox Rabbi who believes homosexuality is acceptable then you aren't Jewish or you don't know any Orthodox Jews let alone Orthodox Rabbis. There's enough crap to throw at Corbyn without dredging up this nonsense. My sense is he isn't anti semitic and I believe if he was I'd know it
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1152245327002517510
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,238
    david_herdson said:

    rottenborough said:

    Interesting point.

    "Mr Johnson would remain committed to his ‘do or die’ stance on a no-deal Brexit until after the Conservative party conference in September."

    https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0719/1064100-lord-adonis-brexit/

    I can't think of anyone less suited to dispassionately analyse likely Tory strategy, tactics and policy on Brexit than Adonis - or indeed his analysis on any part of Brexit.
    You could say that HYUFD is equally unlikely to be 'dispassionate' in his analysis.
    Though probably closer to the mark, on the whole.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,005
    There are still true believers.

    https://twitter.com/Jonathon_Shafi/status/1151937597784170496?s=20
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133
    edited July 2019
    Wow in the tour de france...big G and co are now going to have to go super deep in the mountains if any chance of winning.
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    Roger said:

    Whatever he had he's lost. Brexit has rightly killed him. A leader can't sit on a fence. The battlefield is littered with bifurcated ex leaders. If Thornberry or Starmer take over they might still save the party. If it's Tom Watson or Long Bailey then they might as wll keep Corbyn and implode

    Or Miliband, E. He seems a reasonable person with sensible views once freed of advisers telling him to say things he doesn't believe in or stand in front of large headstones. OTOH his manner reminds me of Rory Stewart, i.e. ultra-cerebral. I like it but it may not be in line with what all voters want. He'd almost certainly be tough on Brexit and tough on the causes of Brexit too.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Foremain, I disagree with your implication that the EU is the modern equivalent of the Renaissance. It is not.

    Moving powers from nation states to a centralised bureaucracy is a retrograde step. The very fact that the discussion has moved from "The EU does not have too much power" to "Leaving with devastate the economy and risk destroying the UK" suggests that one of those two things is not true.

    Democracy isn't perfect but it's better than the alternatives, and the continual ceding of powers entrusted to the stewardship of British politicians from Westminster to Brussels is just one reason why the EU is questionable at best. The long term diametric opposition of powerful forces (the mechanical/ideological desire for greater integration versus the desire of free peoples to hold their elected national politicians to account) makes the EU fundamentally unstable in the long term.

    An associate membership with most of the economics retained and most of the politics stripped away is the obvious answer. But the EU thinks the answer to everything is 'more Europe' (by which they mean continual integration of power held by nation states into the bureaucratic centre) whilst the UK will never ask for such a thing.

    That wasn't my implication at all. The EU is imperfect, but the promotion of the Cult of Brexit has seen us as a nation move toward nationalism, and the main motivation behind much of this movement for many (not yourself) is xenophobia and worse. The encouragement of these types of morally perverted tendencies by mainstream politicians on this side and the other side of the Atlantic is extremely retrograde. I am in my early 50s and I can never before remember the promotion of such divisive and prejudicial politics by people in the leadership of the main two parties, or by the President of the USA.

    Incidentally, I am sure you may not agree, but the "more Europe" thing is largely a myth. Yes there are those that believe in federal Europe, but it ain't happening. it is a straw man beloved of anti-EU agitators
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    Looks like Alaphilipe has found those err.. marginal gains.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    MarqueeMark said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

    Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
    Harold Wilson, Ted Heath, Jim Callaghan , John Major and - until much later in his period as PM - Tony Blair did!
  • TrèsDifficileTrèsDifficile Posts: 1,729
    Roger said:

    TrèsDifficile said:

    Roger said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1152232119172812803?s=21

    I'd be surprised if any voter takes it seriously anymore. Whoever is pumping out these stories yesterday accused him of consorting with an Orthodox Rabbi who is a homophobe! They didn't understand there's no such thing as an orthodox rabbi who isn't a homophobe!
    Are there Orthodox Rabbis who don't write emails to other Rabbis, copied in to all of the local Jewish population, addressing them as 'Kapo', like this homophobic chap did?

    https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/anti-ofsted-charedi-activist-shraga-stern-sparks-anger-by-calling-rabbi-pinter-kapo-1.481714
    I can't understand a word of the JC article. Not a first by any means. If you know an Orthodox Rabbi who believes homosexuality is acceptable then you aren't Jewish or you don't know any Orthodox Jews let alone Orthodox Rabbis. There's enough crap to throw at Corbyn without dredging up this nonsense. My sense is he isn't anti semitic and I believe if he was I'd know it
    It's pretty fricking straightforward.

    Corbyn's best Rabbi friend, who is a massive homophobe, addressed another Rabbi, Avraham Pinter, as "Kapo Pinter".

    Kapo was the term used in concentration camps for the Jewish prisoners who got slightly favourable treatment for supervising their fellow prisoners.

    This man is a disgusting individual even if, as you're seemingly happy to, you can ignore his horrible homophobia.
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469
    david_herdson said:

    On topic, 5/2 seems reasonable. Apart from the risk of him being forced out against his will, throwing in the towel in favour of a chosen successor, or retiring on health grounds, there's also the possibility of his resigning after losing an autumn election. None of these are especially likely but I think implied odds of 28% understate the combined probability.

    I do not think he would go willingly even after a GE defeat. He may, ultimately, be forced out but that is something else.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    https://twitter.com/anthonyjwells/status/1152199330838786049
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    edited July 2019
    rural_voter said:

    Roger said:

    Whatever he had he's lost. Brexit has rightly killed him. A leader can't sit on a fence. The battlefield is littered with bifurcated ex leaders. If Thornberry or Starmer take over they might still save the party. If it's Tom Watson or Long Bailey then they might as wll keep Corbyn and implode

    Or Miliband, E. He seems a reasonable person with sensible views once freed of advisers telling him to say things he doesn't believe in or stand in front of large headstones. OTOH his manner reminds me of Rory Stewart, i.e. ultra-cerebral. I like it but it may not be in line with what all voters want. He'd almost certainly be tough on Brexit and tough on the causes of Brexit too.
    Mililiband D would be the Messiah! He'd be brilliant but just read the Labour supporters on here and you'd realize most of them would prefer to lose than have him. And not just the crazies. Even Nick Palmer probably. The Labour party has been infiltrated and the best we can hope for is the least bad.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/anthonyjwells/status/1152199330838786049

    Is it faulty memory or just embarrassment and unwilling to admit..
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1152245327002517510

    We are at war with Eastasia - we have always been at war with Eastasia.

    There are no Americans in Baghdad. They are all killing themselves at the airport with tablets we have given them.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133
    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like Alaphilipe has found those err.. marginal gains.

    I wonder how the predicted heat wave will be a negative for thomas in the mountains?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/anthonyjwells/status/1152199330838786049

    Does this inflate or deflate Labour's overall share?

    Another classic example of false recall is of course Kennedy and Nixon, 1960. Not the happiest of parallels for Corbyn...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,806
    Mr. Foremain, I'd certainly agree that there are some daft sods and complacent jesters about. However, any lunacy is not confined to one side entirely. I recall Grieve being offered what he wanted in a Parliamentary vote a few years ago, and he wittered it was 'too late'.

    It's difficult to see a sustainable political outcome. Alas, once again, we never got to chance to give a V-sign to the Lisbon Treaty.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    edited July 2019
    david_herdson said:

    rottenborough said:

    Interesting point.

    "Mr Johnson would remain committed to his ‘do or die’ stance on a no-deal Brexit until after the Conservative party conference in September."

    https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0719/1064100-lord-adonis-brexit/

    I can't think of anyone less suited to dispassionately analyse likely Tory strategy, tactics and policy on Brexit than Adonis - or indeed his analysis on any part of Brexit.
    On the face of it, a sensible comment. However I suspect Adonis is closer* to what will actually happen than Johnson's rhetoric and he's the one nominally in charge.

    *NB not necessarily very close. Just closer.
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469
    To all Liberal Democrats on PB: I am hearing that Davey [ who is my MP ] is doing better than expected. Is this correct ? I am asking this because the person who gave me this information is not neutral, shall we say.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Email from outside the Labour Party network, how unusual, how exceptional, how extraordinary.

    https://twitter.com/RaynerSkyNews/status/1152231538987274246/photo/1

    What a wunch of bankers...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    edited July 2019
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like Alaphilipe has found those err.. marginal gains.

    I wonder how the predicted heat wave will be a negative for thomas in the mountains?
    I'm not sure how Alaphilipe managed to win the time trial, always thought those favoured larger cyclists like De Gendt/Martin (75 kilos being as heavy as a tour cyclist gets) as it's more about absolubte power rather than a watt/kilo calculation...
    Got me scratching my head a bit how he was able to beat the field (ex Thomas) by over 30 seconds, including what would have been Van Aert's time (V close to De Gendt) if he stayed upright.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    edited July 2019
    Corbyn still is favoured 54% to 45% amongst the Labour membership though, although a substantially lower margin than the 65 to 70% Boris will win the Tory membership ballot with next week it is enough for Corbynism to keep its grip on the Labour Party.

    If that is the case though I expect many of those 45%, particularly the anti Brexit ones, will follow the likes of Chuka to the LDs, with many already having voted Liberal in the European Parliament elections as the poll shows
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    Heard the story of them falling out of love with him before. Yes, the wolf eventually showed up when the boy kept crying about it, but it was just boring until it did.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    Running several hours behind everyone else
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Other Conservative posters could also be improved:


    Look, at least it is innovative.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,237
    kle4 said:

    Running several hours behind everyone else

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Other Conservative posters could also be improved:


    Look, at least it is innovative.
    It's also almost certainly a spoof.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    FF43 said:

    david_herdson said:

    rottenborough said:

    Interesting point.

    "Mr Johnson would remain committed to his ‘do or die’ stance on a no-deal Brexit until after the Conservative party conference in September."

    https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0719/1064100-lord-adonis-brexit/

    I can't think of anyone less suited to dispassionately analyse likely Tory strategy, tactics and policy on Brexit than Adonis - or indeed his analysis on any part of Brexit.
    On the face of it, a sensible comment. However I suspect Adonis is closer* to what will actually happen than Johnson's rhetoric and he's the one nominally in charge.

    *NB not necessarily very close. Just closer.
    Makes sense though. Boris wants to be liked. There is no way he is going to conference to make a tub thumping speech that doesn't involve do or die and no deal brexit.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Moving powers from nation states to a centralised bureaucracy is a retrograde step.

    An associate membership with most of the economics retained and most of the politics stripped away is the obvious answer.

    This is hopelessly confused. Economics cannot be separated from politics, so what you are proposing is more technocracy, not less.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    Running several hours behind everyone else

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Other Conservative posters could also be improved:


    Look, at least it is innovative.
    It's also almost certainly a spoof.
    As always, print the legend.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,237
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

    Patel for Foreign Secretary?

    I thought traditionally, she'd take another job in government, and then run her own paralle foreign policy. And when asked, lie about it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    kle4 said:

    Running several hours behind everyone else

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Other Conservative posters could also be improved:


    Look, at least it is innovative.
    It would double the numbers though.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    On topic, Jeremy Corbyn being deposed was one of my more out there end of year predictions. I’m pleased to see it doesn’t look ridiculous at this stage.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    TrèsDifficile said:

    Roger said:

    TrèsDifficile said:

    Roger said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1152232119172812803?s=21

    I'd be surprised if any voter takes it seriously anymore. Whoever is pumping out these stories yesterday accused him of consorting with an Orthodox Rabbi who is a homophobe! They didn't understand there's no such thing as an orthodox rabbi who isn't a homophobe!
    Are there Orthodox Rabbis who don't write emails to other Rabbis, copied in to all of the local Jewish population, addressing them as 'Kapo', like this homophobic chap did?

    https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/anti-ofsted-charedi-activist-shraga-stern-sparks-anger-by-calling-rabbi-pinter-kapo-1.481714
    I can't understand a word of the JC article. Not a first by any means. If you know an Orthodox Rabbi who believes homosexuality is acceptable then you aren't Jewish or you don't know any Orthodox Jews let alone Orthodox Rabbis. There's enough crap to throw at Corbyn without dredging up this nonsense. My sense is he isn't anti semitic and I believe if he was I'd know it
    It's pretty fricking straightforward.

    Corbyn's best Rabbi friend, who is a massive homophobe, addressed another Rabbi, Avraham Pinter, as "Kapo Pinter".

    Kapo was the term used in concentration camps for the Jewish prisoners who got slightly favourable treatment for supervising their fellow prisoners.

    This man is a disgusting individual even if, as you're seemingly happy to, you can ignore his horrible homophobia.
    I got that much but what does that have to do with Corbyn or my origina post.? A spat between Rabbis is as common as a Man City win. One of the great things about orthodox rabbis is their learning. If he chooses to use the word 'Capo' however tasteless that's up to him. Neither of them are morons. They don't need your council or the JC's
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,038
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

    Patel for Foreign Secretary?

    I thought traditionally, she'd take another job in government, and then run her own paralle foreign policy. And when asked, lie about it.
    Off topic - to answer your question from last night I'm on holiday staying south of Vancouver. Family wedding tomorrow.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    MarqueeMark said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

    Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
    Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    HYUFD said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

    Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
    Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
    Lol @ Patel in a top job. Would even Bozo plumb such depths?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    kle4 said:

    Running several hours behind everyone else

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Other Conservative posters could also be improved:


    Look, at least it is innovative.
    The best one was genuine, an Alliance leaflet from 1987:

    'The Alliance's economic policies will reduce employment by one million in three years.'

    And they had distributed them before anyone noticed...

    Honourable mention to Norman Fowler's AIDS campaign, where he famously said 'we're sending 23 million leaflets to every household in Britain.'
  • TrèsDifficileTrèsDifficile Posts: 1,729
    Roger said:

    TrèsDifficile said:

    Roger said:

    TrèsDifficile said:

    Roger said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1152232119172812803?s=21

    I'd be surprised if any voter takes it seriously anymore. Whoever is pumping out these stories yesterday accused him of consorting with an Orthodox Rabbi who is a homophobe! They didn't understand there's no such thing as an orthodox rabbi who isn't a homophobe!
    Are there Orthodox Rabbis who don't write emails to other Rabbis, copied in to all of the local Jewish population, addressing them as 'Kapo', like this homophobic chap did?

    https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/anti-ofsted-charedi-activist-shraga-stern-sparks-anger-by-calling-rabbi-pinter-kapo-1.481714
    I can't understand a word of the JC article. Not a first by any means. If you know an Orthodox Rabbi who believes homosexuality is acceptable then you aren't Jewish or you don't know any Orthodox Jews let alone Orthodox Rabbis. There's enough crap to throw at Corbyn without dredging up this nonsense. My sense is he isn't anti semitic and I believe if he was I'd know it
    It's pretty fricking straightforward.

    Corbyn's best Rabbi friend, who is a massive homophobe, addressed another Rabbi, Avraham Pinter, as "Kapo Pinter".

    Kapo was the term used in concentration camps for the Jewish prisoners who got slightly favourable treatment for supervising their fellow prisoners.

    This man is a disgusting individual even if, as you're seemingly happy to, you can ignore his horrible homophobia.
    I got that much but what does that have to do with Corbyn or my origina post.? A spat between Rabbis is as common as a Man City win. One of the great things about orthodox rabbis is their learning. If he chooses to use the word 'Capo' however tasteless that's up to him. Neither of them are morons. They don't need your council or the JC's
    If you and Corbyn are too thick to realise why his choosing to associate with a Rabbi who uses a concentration camp term to describe another Rabbi, when Corbyn has a massive antisemitism problem, and has just fired someone for comparing his office to Hitler's bunker, then it's not worth trying to explain.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    surbiton19 said:

    To all Liberal Democrats on PB: I am hearing that Davey [ who is my MP ] is doing better than expected. Is this correct ? I am asking this because the person who gave me this information is not neutral, shall we say.

    No one would ever accuse @HYUFD of being neutral .... :innocent:
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

    Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
    Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
    Lol @ Patel in a top job. Would even Bozo plumb such depths?
    She couldn't possibly be worse than he was.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

    Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
    Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
    Lol @ Patel in a top job. Would even Bozo plumb such depths?
    She couldn't possibly be worse than he was.
    You always want someone worse than you to make yourself look good...
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    HYUFD said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

    Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
    Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
    Patel v Abbott - that will be fun...
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    Running several hours behind everyone else

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Other Conservative posters could also be improved:


    Look, at least it is innovative.
    It's also almost certainly a spoof.
    It's a triumph of this modern political age that "almost" is necessary in such a context.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    surbiton19 said:

    To all Liberal Democrats on PB: I am hearing that Davey [ who is my MP ] is doing better than expected. Is this correct ? I am asking this because the person who gave me this information is not neutral, shall we say.

    It'd be good news for the PB cocktail fund if he was.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    williamglenn said:

    It seems the real traitor in chief has been hiding in plain sight all along.

    https://twitter.com/gerardbattenuk/status/1152091688002826240?s=21

    Not sure he is fishing in a very wide pool with all the people he hates.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    eek said:

    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

    Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
    Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
    Lol @ Patel in a top job. Would even Bozo plumb such depths?
    She couldn't possibly be worse than he was.
    You always want someone worse than you to make yourself look good...
    Look, even General Patton would have been a better Foreign Secretary than Boris.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    Running several hours behind everyone else

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Other Conservative posters could also be improved:


    Look, at least it is innovative.
    It's also almost certainly a spoof.
    Many a great idea to be found in spoof. And a lot of other ideas too.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,627
    dr_spyn said:

    Email from outside the Labour Party network, how unusual, how exceptional, how extraordinary.

    https://twitter.com/RaynerSkyNews/status/1152231538987274246/photo/1

    What a wunch of bankers...

    Is that email using Parliamentary resources to deal with party matters?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/anthonyjwells/status/1152199330838786049

    Is false recall really the right term? I get there could be confusion about voting some ways back, but surely no one without a problem 'recalls' incorrectly so recently?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,627
    TGOHF said:

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1152235166707920897?s=20

    Fantastic news. Now who made the decision to spend three years and half a million quid of public money on perusing Darren Grimes for the most trivial of reasons?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,751
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

    Presumably those figures exclude the 534 entries all from the same email address predicting Andrea Leadsom would be Chancellor ...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    Sandpit said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Email from outside the Labour Party network, how unusual, how exceptional, how extraordinary.

    https://twitter.com/RaynerSkyNews/status/1152231538987274246/photo/1

    What a wunch of bankers...

    Is that email using Parliamentary resources to deal with party matters?
    Good spot, I don't think Sky have noticed that.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    kle4 said:

    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/anthonyjwells/status/1152199330838786049

    Is false recall really the right term? I get there could be confusion about voting some ways back, but surely no one without a problem 'recalls' incorrectly so recently?
    Not everyone takes the decision so seriously that it's indelibly marked in their memory.
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