This is presumably deliberate provocation, not like that time in 2007 when a flotilla of drunks kidnapped those British sailors while under the influence?
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
There's something both delicious and incredibly dangerous in this, of people nowhere near the competence required put in charge of potentially mammothly intricate tasks. The results are bound to be patriotic bluster and failure on any objective terms, as with David Davis - but the stakes and timeframe make it all the more dangerous this time. It's all a bit reminiscent of an enjoyably bad horror movie with real life consequences, or something like the 1970s movie Rollerball.
Geoffrey Cox is one of the highest earning QCs in the country but because he is a Brexiteer diehard Remainers insist 'he lacks competence'
Wasn’t he the one who stood up in the Commons and told his Tory colleagues they were legislators, not children, and needed to avoid the disaster of no deal?
He voted for the Brady amendment and backed Leave and has not voted to try and block No Deal
Is that an HY ‘Yes’? Yes, he told Tory MPs that no deal would be lunacy. I think that is a quote. Lunacy. That Geoffrey Cox? Yes?
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
There's something both delicious and incredibly dangerous in this, of people nowhere near the competence required put in charge of potentially mammothly intricate tasks. The results are bound to be patriotic bluster and failure on any objective terms, as with David Davis - but the stakes and timeframe make it all the more dangerous this time. It's all a bit reminiscent of an enjoyably bad horror movie with real life consequences, or something like the 1970s movie Rollerball.
Geoffrey Cox is one of the highest earning QCs in the country but because he is a Brexiteer diehard Remainers insist 'he lacks competence'
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
There's something both delicious and incredibly dangerous in this, of people nowhere near the competence required put in charge of potentially mammothly intricate tasks. The results are bound to be patriotic bluster and failure on any objective terms, as with David Davis - but the stakes and timeframe make it all the more dangerous this time. It's all a bit reminiscent of an enjoyably bad horror movie with real life consequences, or something like the 1970s movie Rollerball.
... one of the highest earning QCs in the country but because he is a Brexiteer diehard Remainers insist 'he lacks competence'
Wasn’t he the one who stood up in the Commons and told his Tory colleagues they were legislators, not children, and needed to avoid the disaster of no deal?
Time changes people. Look at Amber Rudd . Remember 'You can't trust him to take you home at the end of an evening'is
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
There's something both delicious and incredibly dangerous in this, of people nowhere near the competence required put in charge of potentially mammothly intricate tasks. The results are bound to be patriotic bluster and failure on any objective terms, as with David Davis - but the stakes and timeframe make it all the more dangerous this time. It's all a bit reminiscent of an enjoyably bad horror movie with real life consequences, or something like the 1970s movie Rollerball.
Geoffrey Cox is one of the highest earning QCs in the country but because he is a Brexiteer diehard Remainers insist 'he lacks competence'
Wasn’t he the one who stood up in the Commons and told his Tory colleagues they were legislators, not children, and needed to avoid the disaster of no deal?
He voted for the Brady amendment and backed Leave and has not voted to try and block No Deal
Is that an HY ‘Yes’? Yes, he told Tory MPs that no deal would be lunacy. I think that is a quote. Lunacy. That Geoffrey Cox? Yes?
He’s a barrister for hire; he’ll spout any old cobblers on behalf of a client.
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
There's something both delicious and incredibly dangerous in this, of people nowhere near the competence required put in charge of potentially mammothly intricate tasks. The results are bound to be patriotic bluster and failure on any objective terms, as with David Davis - but the stakes and timeframe make it all the more dangerous this time. It's all a bit reminiscent of an enjoyably bad horror movie with real life consequences, or something like the 1970s movie Rollerball.
Geoffrey Cox is one of the highest earning QCs in the country but because he is a Brexiteer diehard Remainers insist 'he lacks competence'
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
There's something both delicious and incredibly dangerous in this, of people nowhere near the competence required put in charge of potentially mammothly intricate tasks. The results are bound to be patriotic bluster and failure on any objective terms, as with David Davis - but the stakes and timeframe make it all the more dangerous this time. It's all a bit reminiscent of an enjoyably bad horror movie with real life consequences, or something like the 1970s movie Rollerball.
Geoffrey Cox is one of the highest earning QCs in the country but because he is a Brexiteer diehard Remainers insist 'he lacks competence'
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
There's something both delicious and incredibly dangerous in this, of people nowhere near the competence required put in charge of potentially mammothly intricate tasks. The results are bound to be patriotic bluster and failure on any objective terms, as with David Davis - but the stakes and timeframe make it all the more dangerous this time. It's all a bit reminiscent of an enjoyably bad horror movie with real life consequences, or something like the 1970s movie Rollerball.
Geoffrey Cox is one of the highest earning QCs in the country but because he is a Brexiteer diehard Remainers insist 'he lacks competence'
I am sure @Cyclefree can regale us with stories of utterly incompetent yet highly paid QCs.
Edit - this one sprang to mind, although an historic example:
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
There's something both delicious and incredibly dangerous in this, of people nowhere near the competence required put in charge of potentially mammothly intricate tasks. The results are bound to be patriotic bluster and failure on any objective terms, as with David Davis - but the stakes and timeframe make it all the more dangerous this time. It's all a bit reminiscent of an enjoyably bad horror movie with real life consequences, or something like the 1970s movie Rollerball.
Geoffrey Cox is one of the highest earning QCs in the country but because he is a Brexiteer diehard Remainers insist 'he lacks competence'
I am sure @Cyclefree can regale us with stories of utterly incompetent yet highly paid QCs.
Edit - this one sprang to mind, although an historic example:
This is presumably deliberate provocation, not like that time in 2007 when a flotilla of drunks kidnapped those British sailors while under the influence?
Presumably Iran's revenge for our grabbing one of their tankers at the behest of the Americans. If we must get involved in these games, maybe best not to do it after the Tories have scrapped half the navy including the carriers.
The interesting points highlighted are twofold: how deeply EU law has permeated every aspect of UK life, and how willing people are to accept a false contradiction if it makes someone they don't like look foolish.
I hate to say it, but isn't this an argument for the single market, rather than one against it.
As most people on this board know, I'm involved in a number of businesses. Being able to just have one set of packaging requirements that is allowed for sending poduce to customers in the UK, Ireland, Spain and Germany seems like good common sense.
Now, sure, we don't need the EU to agree common standards (see the ITU for how telecoms standards are harmonised globally), but harmonised product standards are unquestionably in the interests of consumers.
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
There's something both delicious and incredibly dangerous in this, of people nowhere near the competence required put in charge of potentially mammothly intricate tasks. The results are bound to be patriotic bluster and failure on any objective terms, as with David Davis - but the stakes and timeframe make it all the more dangerous this time. It's all a bit reminiscent of an enjoyably bad horror movie with real life consequences, or something like the 1970s movie Rollerball.
Geoffrey Cox is one of the highest earning QCs in the country but because he is a Brexiteer diehard Remainers insist 'he lacks competence'
I am sure @Cyclefree can regale us with stories of utterly incompetent yet highly paid QCs.
Edit - this one sprang to mind, although an historic example:
As Cyclefree being a diehard Remainer is the Oracle of all wisdom rather than a compliance officer
Hello: I am not a diehard Remainer, whatever "diehard" means. Nor am I or have I ever been a Compliance officer.
Whether I'm an Oracle of wisdom I will leave to others.
I can certainly regale you with lots of stories. But you'll need to be very nice indeed to me.
His definition of diehard remainer is a ..... very broad one.
That doesn’t include himself but then he’s going for dinner with two none entities and some blond tart tonight so we’ll get an update from brexit central tomorrow.
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
There's something both delicious and incredibly dangerous in this, of people nowhere near the competence required put in charge of potentially mammothly intricate tasks. The results are bound to be patriotic bluster and failure on any objective terms, as with David Davis - but the stakes and timeframe make it all the more dangerous this time. It's all a bit reminiscent of an enjoyably bad horror movie with real life consequences, or something like the 1970s movie Rollerball.
Geoffrey Cox is one of the highest earning QCs in the country but because he is a Brexiteer diehard Remainers insist 'he lacks competence'
I am sure @Cyclefree can regale us with stories of utterly incompetent yet highly paid QCs.
Edit - this one sprang to mind, although an historic example:
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
There's something both delicious and incredibly dangerous in this, of people nowhere near the competence required put in charge of potentially mammothly intricate tasks. The results are bound to be patriotic bluster and failure on any objective terms, as with David Davis - but the stakes and timeframe make it all the more dangerous this time. It's all a bit reminiscent of an enjoyably bad horror movie with real life consequences, or something like the 1970s movie Rollerball.
Geoffrey Cox is one of the highest earning QCs in the country but because he is a Brexiteer diehard Remainers insist 'he lacks competence'
I am sure @Cyclefree can regale us with stories of utterly incompetent yet highly paid QCs.
Edit - this one sprang to mind, although an historic example:
The interesting points highlighted are twofold: how deeply EU law has permeated every aspect of UK life, and how willing people are to accept a false contradiction if it makes someone they don't like look foolish.
I hate to say it, but isn't this an argument for the single market, rather than one against it.
As most people on this board know, I'm involved in a number of businesses. Being able to just have one set of packaging requirements that is allowed for sending poduce to customers in the UK, Ireland, Spain and Germany seems like good common sense.
Now, sure, we don't need the EU to agree common standards (see the ITU for how telecoms standards are harmonised globally), but harmonised product standards are unquestionably in the interests of consumers.
...and we’ll be following EU standards whether in or out. And Kippers will keep their ice pillows.
This is presumably deliberate provocation, not like that time in 2007 when a flotilla of drunks kidnapped those British sailors while under the influence?
Presumably Iran's revenge for our grabbing one of their tankers at the behest of the Americans. If we must get involved in these games, maybe best not to do it after the Tories have scrapped half the navy including the carriers.
The tanker we have repeatedly said we'll release as soon as they give us the appropriate assurances it isn't bound for Syria?
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
There's something both delicious and incredibly dangerous in this, of people nowhere near the competence required put in charge of potentially mammothly intricate tasks. The results are bound to be patriotic bluster and failure on any objective terms, as with David Davis - but the stakes and timeframe make it all the more dangerous this time. It's all a bit reminiscent of an enjoyably bad horror movie with real life consequences, or something like the 1970s movie Rollerball.
Geoffrey Cox is one of the highest earning QCs in the country but because he is a Brexiteer diehard Remainers insist 'he lacks competence'
I am sure @Cyclefree can regale us with stories of utterly incompetent yet highly paid QCs.
Edit - this one sprang to mind, although an historic example:
This is presumably deliberate provocation, not like that time in 2007 when a flotilla of drunks kidnapped those British sailors while under the influence?
Presumably Iran's revenge for our grabbing one of their tankers at the behest of the Americans. If we must get involved in these games, maybe best not to do it after the Tories have scrapped half the navy including the carriers.
Our new super carrier keeps taking on water and they can’t get to the bottom of why. It’s strange this hasn’t been higher in the news.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
.. a new EU Commission which takes office on November 1st. Don't you see a teeny-weeny little flaw here?
The Withdrawal Agreement can be passed minus the backstop by October 31st as the Brady amendment showed already has a Commons majority, then as Merkel suggested today the technical solution for the Irish border can be dealt with in the Political Declaration and future relationship which is not legally binding
If that does happen and works May would be within her rights to entitle her memoirs "Why the f*ck did you not do that earlier?" I fear were it so simple now it would indeed have happend on both sides - the EU or us could have shifted in various ways to mutual benefit but politics prevents.
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
There's something both delicious and incredibly dangerous in this, of people nowhere near the competence required put in charge of potentially mammothly intricate tasks. The results are bound to be patriotic bluster and failure on any objective terms, as with David Davis - but the stakes and timeframe make it all the more dangerous this time. It's all a bit reminiscent of an enjoyably bad horror movie with real life consequences, or something like the 1970s movie Rollerball.
Geoffrey Cox is one of the highest earning QCs in the country but because he is a Brexiteer diehard Remainers insist 'he lacks competence'
I am sure @Cyclefree can regale us with stories of utterly incompetent yet highly paid QCs.
Edit - this one sprang to mind, although an historic example:
This is presumably deliberate provocation, not like that time in 2007 when a flotilla of drunks kidnapped those British sailors while under the influence?
Presumably Iran's revenge for our grabbing one of their tankers at the behest of the Americans. If we must get involved in these games, maybe best not to do it after the Tories have scrapped half the navy including the carriers.
The tanker we have repeatedly said we'll release as soon as they give us the appropriate assurances it isn't bound for Syria?
Yes, of course it is that one. Are we expecting Iran to play fair suddenly?
This is presumably deliberate provocation, not like that time in 2007 when a flotilla of drunks kidnapped those British sailors while under the influence?
Presumably Iran's revenge for our grabbing one of their tankers at the behest of the Americans. If we must get involved in these games, maybe best not to do it after the Tories have scrapped half the navy including the carriers.
Our new super carrier keeps taking on water and they can’t get to the bottom of why. It’s strange this hasn’t been higher in the news.
If it keeps taking on water, surely it'll get to the bottom quite quickly?
The interesting points highlighted are twofold: how deeply EU law has permeated every aspect of UK life, and how willing people are to accept a false contradiction if it makes someone they don't like look foolish.
I hate to say it, but isn't this an argument for the single market, rather than one against it.
As most people on this board know, I'm involved in a number of businesses. Being able to just have one set of packaging requirements that is allowed for sending poduce to customers in the UK, Ireland, Spain and Germany seems like good common sense.
Now, sure, we don't need the EU to agree common standards (see the ITU for how telecoms standards are harmonised globally), but harmonised product standards are unquestionably in the interests of consumers.
...and we’ll be following EU standards whether in or out. And Kippers will keep their ice pillows.
Canada has - over the decades - pretty much replicated all US product standards. Firstly, because it increased choice for Canadian consumers, and reduced costs for businesses. More recently, because NAFTA has incredibly strict rules on the use of product standards as NTBs. (Which effectively mean that Mexico and Canada are obligated to follow the US.)
This is presumably deliberate provocation, not like that time in 2007 when a flotilla of drunks kidnapped those British sailors while under the influence?
Presumably Iran's revenge for our grabbing one of their tankers at the behest of the Americans. If we must get involved in these games, maybe best not to do it after the Tories have scrapped half the navy including the carriers.
The tanker we have repeatedly said we'll release as soon as they give us the appropriate assurances it isn't bound for Syria?
Yes, of course it is that one. Are we expecting Iran to play fair suddenly?
They can hardly complain about the treatment they get if they themselves behave like Donald Trump with 750cl of whisky inside him.
But more to the point, this just seems to be deliberately stoking matters. Very unwise of them with such an unstable human being in the White House.
So what would the outcry have been if we cut the Tory party leaders debate after 30 mins to go to 1st night of the proms? Ok blessed relief but a wee bit unfair
The interesting points highlighted are twofold: how deeply EU law has permeated every aspect of UK life, and how willing people are to accept a false contradiction if it makes someone they don't like look foolish.
I hate to say it, but isn't this an argument for the single market, rather than one against it.
As most people on this board know, I'm involved in a number of businesses. Being able to just have one set of packaging requirements that is allowed for sending poduce to customers in the UK, Ireland, Spain and Germany seems like good common sense.
Now, sure, we don't need the EU to agree common standards (see the ITU for how telecoms standards are harmonised globally), but harmonised product standards are unquestionably in the interests of consumers.
...and we’ll be following EU standards whether in or out. And Kippers will keep their ice pillows.
Canada has - over the decades - pretty much replicated all US product standards. Firstly, because it increased choice for Canadian consumers, and reduced costs for businesses. More recently, because NAFTA has incredibly strict rules on the use of product standards as NTBs. (Which effectively mean that Mexico and Canada are obligated to follow the US.)
We will be like Canada.
Yep. Farage and Co really did think Brexit would be the first domino leading to the collapse of the EU. None of the Brexiters really thought through a scenario where the EU would hold together and we’d be sitting alone outside the periphery.
So what would the outcry have been if we cut the Tory party leaders debate after 30 mins to go to 1st night of the proms? Ok blessed relief but a wee bit unfair
Speaking as both a musician and a politics nerd, I would far rather have watched the First Night, Last Night, or indeed Jedward at the Eurovision on a loop than any of those debates.
Edit - I meant Jemini, although tbf Jedward are not much better.
Stupid question as it relies on Boris extending not trying to prorogue Parliament etc to ensure Brexit on 31st October as he will do
You're reading something into the question that isn't there.
Nope, if Boris is trying to prorogue Parliament to deliver Brexit and MPs block him most Leavers will still back him if he refuses to extend
I cannot understand why you have become so extreme and calling remainers 'diehard'.
Also to attack Cyclefree is uncalled for. She is a highly respected poster on this site and deserves that respect
We can disagree with each other but you are compromising your very extensive political knowledge by becoming far too intolerant
Lets have the previous moderate HYUFD back
The one who thought leaving the EU was reckless and foolhardy?
You misunderstand HYUFD. His first loyalty is to Britain and the Conservative Party, whose interests are intertwined. What is good for the Conservative Party is good for Britain. And the polls clearly state that Brexit on 31 October, deal or no deal, is better for the Conservatives than extension.
Stupid question as it relies on Boris extending not trying to prorogue Parliament etc to ensure Brexit on 31st October as he will do
You're reading something into the question that isn't there.
Nope, if Boris is trying to prorogue Parliament to deliver Brexit and MPs block him most Leavers will still back him if he refuses to extend
I cannot understand why you have become so extreme and calling remainers 'diehard'.
Also to attack Cyclefree is uncalled for. She is a highly respected poster on this site and deserves that respect
We can disagree with each other but you are compromising your very extensive political knowledge by becoming far too intolerant
Lets have the previous moderate HYUFD back
The one who thought leaving the EU was reckless and foolhardy?
You misunderstand HYUFD. His first loyalty is to Britain and the Conservative Party, whose interests are intertwined. What is good for the Conservative Party is good for Britain. And the polls clearly state that Brexit on 31 October, deal or no deal, is better for the Conservatives than extension.
But the story of current politics originates in the divergence of conservative party interests from our national ones.
This is presumably deliberate provocation, not like that time in 2007 when a flotilla of drunks kidnapped those British sailors while under the influence?
Presumably Iran's revenge for our grabbing one of their tankers at the behest of the Americans. If we must get involved in these games, maybe best not to do it after the Tories have scrapped half the navy including the carriers.
The tanker we have repeatedly said we'll release as soon as they give us the appropriate assurances it isn't bound for Syria?
Yes, of course it is that one. Are we expecting Iran to play fair suddenly?
They can hardly complain about the treatment they get if they themselves behave like Donald Trump with 750cl of whisky inside him.
But more to the point, this just seems to be deliberately stoking matters. Very unwise of them with such an unstable human being in the White House.
The last thing Trump wants is another Middle East war; that is why he cancelled the last attack. His problem is he is surrounded by Bush-era neocon warmongers like John Bolton, still convinced that knocking off tyrants and despots will bring democracy and peace.
Funny old world where Donald Trump is the voice of sanity.
This is presumably deliberate provocation, not like that time in 2007 when a flotilla of drunks kidnapped those British sailors while under the influence?
Presumably Iran's revenge for our grabbing one of their tankers at the behest of the Americans. If we must get involved in these games, maybe best not to do it after the Tories have scrapped half the navy including the carriers.
Our new super carrier keeps taking on water and they can’t get to the bottom of why. It’s strange this hasn’t been higher in the news.
If it keeps taking on water, surely it'll get to the bottom quite quickly?
So far it has made it back to Portsmouth each time before that became a concern.
This is presumably deliberate provocation, not like that time in 2007 when a flotilla of drunks kidnapped those British sailors while under the influence?
Presumably Iran's revenge for our grabbing one of their tankers at the behest of the Americans. If we must get involved in these games, maybe best not to do it after the Tories have scrapped half the navy including the carriers.
The tanker we have repeatedly said we'll release as soon as they give us the appropriate assurances it isn't bound for Syria?
Yes, of course it is that one. Are we expecting Iran to play fair suddenly?
They can hardly complain about the treatment they get if they themselves behave like Donald Trump with 750cl of whisky inside him.
But more to the point, this just seems to be deliberately stoking matters. Very unwise of them with such an unstable human being in the White House.
The last thing Trump wants is another Middle East war; that is why he cancelled the last attack. His problem is he is surrounded by Bush-era neocon warmongers like John Bolton, still convinced that knocking off tyrants and despots will bring democracy and peace.
Funny old world where Donald Trump is the voice of sanity.
One ill-advised tweet (and what other sort does he make?) and we'll have one anyway.
Stupid question as it relies on Boris extending not trying to prorogue Parliament etc to ensure Brexit on 31st October as he will do
You're reading something into the question that isn't there.
Nope, if Boris is trying to prorogue Parliament to deliver Brexit and MPs block him most Leavers will still back him if he refuses to extend
I cannot understand why you have become so extreme and calling remainers 'diehard'.
Also to attack Cyclefree is uncalled for. She is a highly respected poster on this site and deserves that respect
We can disagree with each other but you are compromising your very extensive political knowledge by becoming far too intolerant
Lets have the previous moderate HYUFD back
The one who thought leaving the EU was reckless and foolhardy?
You misunderstand HYUFD. His first loyalty is to Britain and the Conservative Party, whose interests are intertwined. What is good for the Conservative Party is good for Britain. And the polls clearly state that Brexit on 31 October, deal or no deal, is better for the Conservatives than extension.
But the story of current politics originates in the divergence of conservative party interests from our national ones.
Oh, I'm not saying the interests of the country and the Conservative Party are the same, I'm saying that I believe that is HYUFD's mindset.
This is presumably deliberate provocation, not like that time in 2007 when a flotilla of drunks kidnapped those British sailors while under the influence?
Presumably Iran's revenge for our grabbing one of their tankers at the behest of the Americans. If we must get involved in these games, maybe best not to do it after the Tories have scrapped half the navy including the carriers.
The tanker we have repeatedly said we'll release as soon as they give us the appropriate assurances it isn't bound for Syria?
Yes, of course it is that one. Are we expecting Iran to play fair suddenly?
They can hardly complain about the treatment they get if they themselves behave like Donald Trump with 750cl of whisky inside him.
But more to the point, this just seems to be deliberately stoking matters. Very unwise of them with such an unstable human being in the White House.
When their ship was seized in Gibraltar, they promised to seize one back. We just weren't paying attention. Somethings may have distracted ministers...can't think what.
Stupid question as it relies on Boris extending not trying to prorogue Parliament etc to ensure Brexit on 31st October as he will do
You're reading something into the question that isn't there.
Nope, if Boris is trying to prorogue Parliament to deliver Brexit and MPs block him most Leavers will still back him if he refuses to extend
I cannot understand why you have become so extreme and calling remainers 'diehard'.
Also to attack Cyclefree is uncalled for. She is a highly respected poster on this site and deserves that respect
We can disagree with each other but you are compromising your very extensive political knowledge by becoming far too intolerant
Lets have the previous moderate HYUFD back
The one who thought leaving the EU was reckless and foolhardy?
You misunderstand HYUFD. His first loyalty is to Britain and the Conservative Party, whose interests are intertwined. What is good for the Conservative Party is good for Britain. And the polls clearly state that Brexit on 31 October, deal or no deal, is better for the Conservatives than extension.
But the story of current politics originates in the divergence of conservative party interests from our national ones.
Oh, I'm not saying the interests of the country and the Conservative Party are the same, I'm saying that I believe that is HYUFD's mindset.
But he can correct me if I'm wrong.
At least it’s moving analysis of his posts along from “utter wank”?
So what would the outcry have been if we cut the Tory party leaders debate after 30 mins to go to 1st night of the proms? Ok blessed relief but a wee bit unfair
Speaking as both a musician and a politics nerd, I would far rather have watched the First Night, Last Night, or indeed Jedward at the Eurovision on a loop than any of those debates.
Edit - I meant Jemini, although tbf Jedward are not much better.
Well we’ve had no painted wine crates or Manx kippers so it’s not going to be prime time Telly. Nothing worse than two people arguing about how much they agree with each other.
So what would the outcry have been if we cut the Tory party leaders debate after 30 mins to go to 1st night of the proms? Ok blessed relief but a wee bit unfair
Speaking as both a musician and a politics nerd, I would far rather have watched the First Night, Last Night, or indeed Jedward at the Eurovision on a loop than any of those debates.
Edit - I meant Jemini, although tbf Jedward are not much better.
So what would the outcry have been if we cut the Tory party leaders debate after 30 mins to go to 1st night of the proms? Ok blessed relief but a wee bit unfair
Speaking as both a musician and a politics nerd, I would far rather have watched the First Night, Last Night, or indeed Jedward at the Eurovision on a loop than any of those debates.
Edit - I meant Jemini, although tbf Jedward are not much better.
Jemini scored nul points in 2003.
That's the one I was thinking of. Where they came in flat and got flatter.
Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.
Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business
I can hear the European Commission howling with laughter now at the thought of Raab as Foreign Secretary. Raab is Grayling with intent.
Raab is sharp and tough (Mordaunt also a contender) but Foreign Secretary is not leading on the negotiations with the EU, I understand Geoffrey Cox and Rees-Mogg will be added to the renegotiation and future relationship team, both heavyweight Brexiteers. Plus of course a new EU Commission
There's something both delicious and incredibly dangerous in this, of people nowhere near the competence required put in charge of potentially mammothly intricate tasks. The results are bound to be patriotic bluster and failure on any objective terms, as with David Davis - but the stakes and timeframe make it all the more dangerous this time. It's all a bit reminiscent of an enjoyably bad horror movie with real life consequences, or something like the 1970s movie Rollerball.
Geoffrey Cox is one of the highest earning QCs in the country but because he is a Brexiteer diehard Remainers insist 'he lacks competence'
I am sure @Cyclefree can regale us with stories of utterly incompetent yet highly paid QCs.
Edit - this one sprang to mind, although an historic example:
What the heck is a British flagged vessel doing going near the straits of Hormuz without an escort? Surely their insurers would have that as a condition of cover?
If a RN vessel wasn't there then what are the Admiralty thinking?
Is the plan to release the tanker in Gibraltar in return and pretend nothing happened?
Not British registered but owned by a British company...
A little appreciated fact about the Ice Age is that at its height, say 20,000 years ago, the Persian Gulf would have been totally dry land, all the way from Basra to Hormuz. The Tigris and Euphrates were combined into one big river.
What the heck is a British flagged vessel doing going near the straits of Hormuz without an escort? Surely their insurers would have that as a condition of cover?
If a RN vessel wasn't there then what are the Admiralty thinking?
Is the plan to release the tanker in Gibraltar in return and pretend nothing happened?
That's roughly what the ambassador is saying.
Although he reiterated that Iran have acted illegally.
And during the Crimean war, Boer War, the Chanak incident, the Ruhr...
Tanker tit-for-tat might provide a convenient excuse for not handing over to Boris till after the start of the Commons recess, in order to completely exclude his being VONC'd by Labour on day one.
Stupid question as it relies on Boris extending not trying to prorogue Parliament etc to ensure Brexit on 31st October as he will do
You're reading something into the question that isn't there.
Nope, if Boris is trying to prorogue Parliament to deliver Brexit and MPs block him most Leavers will still back him if he refuses to extend
I cannot understand why you have become so extreme and calling remainers 'diehard'.
Also to attack Cyclefree is uncalled for. She is a highly respected poster on this site and deserves that respect
We can disagree with each other but you are compromising your very extensive political knowledge by becoming far too intolerant
Lets have the previous moderate HYUFD back
The one who thought leaving the EU was reckless and foolhardy?
You misunderstand HYUFD. His first loyalty is to Britain and the Conservative Party, whose interests are intertwined. What is good for the Conservative Party is good for Britain. And the polls clearly state that Brexit on 31 October, deal or no deal, is better for the Conservatives than extension.
But the story of current politics originates in the divergence of conservative party interests from our national ones.
Lord Ashcroft's recent analysis suggests that the Conservatives and Labour support base is shifting similar to that for the Republicans and Democrats - the Conservatives are moving down from courting High (Financial) Security voters to Low Security ones.
Our National Interest has for too long been defined as the interests of our Betters. The people at the bottom have been screwed. I believe that Maggie would be courting the CDE voters now - and would have won.
But I'm a poor teacher, I was pitching for what I thought I could afford...
Well, charm and a sense of humour will get you a very long way, with me anyway.
I am not ..... sssh, don't tell @Nigelb ...... that big a fan of coffee. Surely a Negroni is within reach. We could share straws......
Well, that's an offer that nobody could refuse. But wouldn't Mr Cyclefree object?
No.
He is currently gainfully employed being a project manager on a large building project in the Lake District.
Deal. A Negroni for loads of stories of useless lawyers!
And bankers. Then I can come and tell your students what careers to avoid.
Got quite a few who want to be lawyers. Can't think offhand of any potential bankers.
Sensible kids. Their heads get turned at university.
On a serious point I do talks about What Life is Really Like as a Lawyer and What I Wish I'd Known When I Was Younger, especially to girls, if that is ever of interest. Did one for International Womens Day this year. Role models - or just real life examples (not boring "I'm trying to sell my firm" ones) can be helpful.
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This is presumably deliberate provocation, not like that time in 2007 when a flotilla of drunks kidnapped those British sailors while under the influence?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boy-asks-attorney-general-geoffrey-cox-to-justify-high-earnings-t2pj6ldfj
Tory MP failed to declare £400,000 in extra earnings
Last year Mr Cox submitted claims for a 49p bottle of milk and £2 worth of tea bags.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/geoffrey-cox-tory-mp-failed-to-declare-400000-in-extra-earnings-forced-to-apologise-a6853806.html
Really sophisticated people use loose leaf.
As most people on this board know, I'm involved in a number of businesses. Being able to just have one set of packaging requirements that is allowed for sending poduce to customers in the UK, Ireland, Spain and Germany seems like good common sense.
Now, sure, we don't need the EU to agree common standards (see the ITU for how telecoms standards are harmonised globally), but harmonised product standards are unquestionably in the interests of consumers.
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1152284050310217728
Honestly, what sort of a girl do you think I am?!
A decent Malbec and a nice meal, at the very least.
Also to attack Cyclefree is uncalled for. She is a highly respected poster on this site and deserves that respect
We can disagree with each other but you are compromising your very extensive political knowledge by becoming far too intolerant
Lets have the previous moderate HYUFD back
We will be like Canada.
But more to the point, this just seems to be deliberately stoking matters. Very unwise of them with such an unstable human being in the White House.
Edit - I meant Jemini, although tbf Jedward are not much better.
Funny old world where Donald Trump is the voice of sanity.
So far it has made it back to Portsmouth each time before that became a concern.
But he can correct me if I'm wrong.
We just weren't paying attention. Somethings may have distracted ministers...can't think what.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49046447
I am not ..... sssh, don't tell @Nigelb ...... that big a fan of coffee. Surely a Negroni is within reach. We could share straws......
Not British registered but owned by a British company...
What the heck is a British flagged vessel doing going near the straits of Hormuz without an escort? Surely their insurers would have that as a condition of cover?
If a RN vessel wasn't there then what are the Admiralty thinking?
Is the plan to release the tanker in Gibraltar in return and pretend nothing happened?
It's not a shi'ite idea, we need to put the Ayatollahs in their place.
Although he reiterated that Iran have acted illegally.
Trouble is, this is quite possibly where this is going, as your Tweeter noted above.
Our National Interest has for too long been defined as the interests of our Betters. The people at the bottom have been screwed. I believe that Maggie would be courting the CDE voters now - and would have won.
He is currently gainfully employed being a project manager on a large building project in the Lake District.
‘What makes a suicide bomber tick?’
This might have been one of them, so I thought better of it.
On a serious point I do talks about What Life is Really Like as a Lawyer and What I Wish I'd Known When I Was Younger, especially to girls, if that is ever of interest. Did one for International Womens Day this year. Role models - or just real life examples (not boring "I'm trying to sell my firm" ones) can be helpful.