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Interesting - Maria Miller's claimed justification for slandering the lady who is the other party to the Raab NDA:

https://twitter.com/jack_sommers/status/1138521525479510016

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Philip_Thompson said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Johnson: let the police stop and search any young people who look like they might be up to something illegal. Also: it's nobody's business if I took coke when I was 19.
One rule for OEs, one rule for the plebs.

How many 54 year old plebs do you know who are being questioned in a job interview as to what they did or did not take at 19?

How many 54 year old plebs get to decide drugs and policing policy?

That's neither here nor there. It is the same rule for the 54 year old plebs or the 54 year old politicians. Not one for them ...

Philip_Thompson said:

GarethoftheVale2 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

It does seem to me that the comments on here re Boris are perfectly predictable.

He is a marmite character, you either love him or hate him

I think the key to the success of a PM Boris is appointing the right people to key cabinet positions. I would hope he would be a lot more collegiate than May. IMHO he needs to mend fences with Gove and make him Brexit secretary.

Gove or Raab for Brexit Secretary.

Raab actually was Brexit Secretary under Theresa May, for all of four months.

Jeremy Corbyn wants a “Tory Brexit” so the Conservative Party gets the blame “when things go wrong”, former Labour chancellor Alistair Darling has said.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-wants-a-tory-brexit-alistair-darling_uk_5d00aa56e4b075510399d24f?abg

DecrepitJohnL said:

Philip_Thompson said:

GarethoftheVale2 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

It does seem to me that the comments on here re Boris are perfectly predictable.

He is a marmite character, you either love him or hate him

I think the key to the success of a PM Boris is appointing the right people to key cabinet positions. I would hope he would be a lot more collegiate than May. IMHO he needs to mend fences with Gove and make him Brexit secretary.

Gove or Raab for Brexit Secretary.

Raab actually was Brexit Secretary under Theresa May, for all of four months.

And he resigned because he was undermined and given no authority. If Boris and Raab can be on the same page that would be different.

Philip_Thompson said:

DecrepitJohnL said:

Philip_Thompson said:

GarethoftheVale2 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

It does seem to me that the comments on here re Boris are perfectly predictable.

He is a marmite character, you either love him or hate him

I think the key to the success of a PM Boris is appointing the right people to key cabinet positions. I would hope he would be a lot more collegiate than May. IMHO he needs to mend fences with Gove and make him Brexit secretary.

Gove or Raab for Brexit Secretary.

Raab actually was Brexit Secretary under Theresa May, for all of four months.

And he resigned because he was undermined and given no authority. If Boris and Raab can be on the same page that would be different.

They are. It's blank.

Philip_Thompson said:

DecrepitJohnL said:

Philip_Thompson said:

GarethoftheVale2 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

It does seem to me that the comments on here re Boris are perfectly predictable.

He is a marmite character, you either love him or hate him

I think the key to the success of a PM Boris is appointing the right people to key cabinet positions. I would hope he would be a lot more collegiate than May. IMHO he needs to mend fences with Gove and make him Brexit secretary.

Gove or Raab for Brexit Secretary.

Raab actually was Brexit Secretary under Theresa May, for all of four months.

And he resigned because he was undermined and given no authority. If Boris and Raab can be on the same page that would be different.

LOL - are you expecting Boris, of all people on this earth, to be loyal and supportive to underlings?

Good question by Wes Streeting.

Philip_Thompson said:

isam said:

Philip_Thompson said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Johnson: let the police stop and search any young people who look like they might be up to something illegal. Also: it's nobody's business if I took coke when I was 19.
One rule for OEs, one rule for the plebs.

How many 54 year old plebs do you know who are being questioned in a job interview as to what they did or did not take at 19?

I found it strange that Gove was labelled a hypocrite for suggesting lifetime bans for teachers caught with Class A drugs now, because he had used them in the past.

Especially when it was for getting convicted while a teacher not for spent convictions as a youth.

A politician getting convicted would be out of a job too.

Gove wasn't a youth. He was a journalist in his 30s. I guess he should therefore be banned from journalism for life. As should any other former coke snorter, such as Toby Young and our very own SeanT.

Philip_Thompson said:

Gallowgate said:

Philip_Thompson said:

isam said:

Philip_Thompson said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Johnson: let the police stop and search any young people who look like they might be up to something illegal. Also: it's nobody's business if I took coke when I was 19.
One rule for OEs, one rule for the plebs.

How many 54 year old plebs do you know who are being questioned in a job interview as to what they did or did not take at 19?

I found it strange that Gove was labelled a hypocrite for suggesting lifetime bans for teachers caught with Class A drugs now, because he had used them in the past.

Especially when it was for getting convicted while a teacher not for spent convictions as a youth.

A politician getting convicted would be out of a job too.

Not if there was no jail time.

Once convicted there would be a recall petition surely?

And as we know the only people this lifetime ban has applied to are 3 individuals all convicted for drug productions/drug dealing and not using drugs as a youth.

I suspect there are well over 3 teachers in the entire nation who dabbled in illegal drugs while at university. Zero have lifetime bans.

No, a recall petition only applies if there's a jail sentence of greater than 1 year.

Philip_Thompson said:

Am I expecting Boris of all people to actually allow underlings to do their own job rather than do it for them behind their backs? Yes.

Then you are naive beyond belief.

Richard_Nabavi said:

Jeremy Corbyn wants a “Tory Brexit” so the Conservative Party gets the blame “when things go wrong”, former Labour chancellor Alistair Darling has said.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-wants-a-tory-brexit-alistair-darling_uk_5d00aa56e4b075510399d24f?abg

As we constantly hear on here though from Sandy Rentool, Big John Owls and other tribalists getting Labour into power and trying to destroy the Tories is the most important job in the UK. The depth of tribalism amongst it's core support leads to their disgracefully cynical policies that care not a hoot for the actual good of the country in any way.
May was the compromiser, no chance now particularly if someone from the leave lane (Probably Boris) gets in charge.

Richard_Nabavi said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Am I expecting Boris of all people to actually allow underlings to do their own job rather than do it for them behind their backs? Yes.

Then you are naive beyond belief.

Boris is a micromanager not a delegater?

Philip_Thompson said:

Gallowgate said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Gallowgate said:

Philip_Thompson said:

isam said:

Philip_Thompson said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Johnson: let the police stop and search any young people who look like they might be up to something illegal. Also: it's nobody's business if I took coke when I was 19.
One rule for OEs, one rule for the plebs.

How many 54 year old plebs do you know who are being questioned in a job interview as to what they did or did not take at 19?

I found it strange that Gove was labelled a hypocrite for suggesting lifetime bans for teachers caught with Class A drugs now, because he had used them in the past.

Especially when it was for getting convicted while a teacher not for spent convictions as a youth.

A politician getting convicted would be out of a job too.

Not if there was no jail time.

Once convicted there would be a recall petition surely?

And as we know the only people this lifetime ban has applied to are 3 individuals all convicted for drug productions/drug dealing and not using drugs as a youth.

I suspect there are well over 3 teachers in the entire nation who dabbled in illegal drugs while at university. Zero have lifetime bans.

No, a recall petition only applies if there's a jail sentence of greater than 1 year.

No there is no recall petition if over a year. The seat is immediately vacated if over 1 year.

You are right, I edited my post. But if someone was to get a drug conviction without a prison sentence, there would be no recall petition.

Blair and Cameron both won ballots including members albeit before they became PM ie to be Opposition Leader

The_Taxman said:

I have to say after watching Boris Johnson on the TV today, I cannot imagine him as PM. He comes across very badly, unprofessional, glib and inarticulate. Johnson does not look the part, sound the part or have the judgement required for such an important role. He may well become PM but having a joke like that as PM is not funny!

Well, he may be made leader, but not convinced he will be PM.

Philip_Thompson said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Philip_Thompson said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Johnson: let the police stop and search any young people who look like they might be up to something illegal. Also: it's nobody's business if I took coke when I was 19.
One rule for OEs, one rule for the plebs.

How many 54 year old plebs do you know who are being questioned in a job interview as to what they did or did not take at 19?

How many 54 year old plebs get to decide drugs and policing policy?

That's neither here nor there. It is the same rule for the 54 year old plebs or the 54 year old politicians. Not one for them ...

I'm not sure it's exactly hypocrisy, but Johnson describes stop and search as "loving". Would he have considered it loving if he had been stopped and searched while in possession of cocaine? Would he have considered it loving if he'd had the book thrown at him for it rather than being let off with a warning? Both those things are statistically far more likely to happen to working class and ethnic minority people

Good launch by Boris, made clear he still wants a Deal with the EU but unlike May will not take No Deal off the table and made clear the Tories must deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal

rottenborough said:

The_Taxman said:

I have to say after watching Boris Johnson on the TV today, I cannot imagine him as PM. He comes across very badly, unprofessional, glib and inarticulate. Johnson does not look the part, sound the part or have the judgement required for such an important role. He may well become PM but having a joke like that as PM is not funny!

Well, he may be made leader, but not convinced he will be PM.

I'd give up on this idea of the government being no confidenced before he becomes PM. You'll only be disappointed.

Gallowgate said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Gallowgate said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Gallowgate said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Gallowgate said:

Philip_Thompson said:

isam said:

Philip_Thompson said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Johnson: let the police stop and search any young people who look like they might be up to something illegal. Also: it's nobody's business if I took coke when I was 19.
One rule for OEs, one rule for the plebs.

How many 54 year old plebs do you know who are being questioned in a job interview as to what they did or did not take at 19?

I found it strange that Gove was labelled a hypocrite for suggesting lifetime bans for teachers caught with Class A drugs now, because he had used them in the past.

Especially when it was for getting convicted while a teacher not for spent convictions as a youth.

A politician getting convicted would be out of a job too.

Not if there was no jail time.

Once convicted there would be a recall petition surely?

And as we know the only people this lifetime ban has applied to are 3 individuals all convicted for drug productions/drug dealing and not using drugs as a youth.

I suspect there are well over 3 teachers in the entire nation who dabbled in illegal drugs while at university. Zero have lifetime bans.

No, a recall petition only applies if there's a jail sentence of greater than 1 year.

No there is no recall petition if over a year. The seat is immediately vacated if over 1 year.

You are right, I edited my post. But if someone was to get a drug conviction without a prison sentence, there would be no recall petition.

Can you show any teachers subject to a lifetime ban who had a conviction without a prison sentence?

Stop moving the goalposts.

I'm not. The ludicrous claim is it was one rule for one, one for another. That was garbage

isam said:

SandyRentool said:

Philip_Thompson said:

isam said:

Philip_Thompson said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Johnson: let the police stop and search any young people who look like they might be up to something illegal. Also: it's nobody's business if I took coke when I was 19.
One rule for OEs, one rule for the plebs.

How many 54 year old plebs do you know who are being questioned in a job interview as to what they did or did not take at 19?

I found it strange that Gove was labelled a hypocrite for suggesting lifetime bans for teachers caught with Class A drugs now, because he had used them in the past.

Especially when it was for getting convicted while a teacher not for spent convictions as a youth.

A politician getting convicted would be out of a job too.

Gove wasn't a youth. He was a journalist in his 30s. I guess he should therefore be banned from journalism for life. As should any other former coke snorter, such as Toby Young and our very own SeanT.

Do you really think that teachers shouldn't be held to a higher level of personal responsibility than journalists?

Indeed. You can certainly make a case for the SoS for Education not doing coke - in the same way as HS2 has a zero tolerance for its staff in Canary Wharf drinking at lunchtime (or having alcohol anywhere near the office). But what Gove did as a journo does not make him a hypocrite for wanting high standards from teachers (even though it's all talk).

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Good launch by Boris, made clear he still wants a Deal with the EU but unlike May will not take No Deal off the table and made clear the Tories must deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal

He was subdued, even nervous, and managed to be gaff free but has made impossible promises

What promise is impossible?

Philip_Thompson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Good launch by Boris, made clear he still wants a Deal with the EU but unlike May will not take No Deal off the table and made clear the Tories must deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal

He was subdued, even nervous, and managed to be gaff free but has made impossible promises

What promise is impossible?

No deal on 31st October

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The_Taxman said:

I have to say after watching Boris Johnson on the TV today, I cannot imagine him as PM. He comes across very badly, unprofessional, glib and inarticulate. Johnson does not look the part, sound the part or have the judgement required for such an important role. He may well become PM but having a joke like that as PM is not funny!

And neither is Corbyn as LTO

True, I am in complete dispair at the moment about UK politics. The whole country seems to have gone haywire.

The_Taxman said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The_Taxman said:

I have to say after watching Boris Johnson on the TV today, I cannot imagine him as PM. He comes across very badly, unprofessional, glib and inarticulate. Johnson does not look the part, sound the part or have the judgement required for such an important role. He may well become PM but having a joke like that as PM is not funny!

And neither is Corbyn as LTO

True, I am in complete dispair at the moment about UK politics. The whole country seems to have gone haywire.

I think you may well be in a majority in the Country

Philip_Thompson said:

Boris metaphorically needs to do just one thing once elected.

Go to Europe and say: We aren't passing the backstop. We will pass the agreement without it, otherwise there is no deal and no backstop anyway. Your choice. *drop mic and walk out*

Why do you say "metaphorically"?

If that's metaphorical, what do you think it corresponds to "literally"?

Richard_Nabavi said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Am I expecting Boris of all people to actually allow underlings to do their own job rather than do it for them behind their backs? Yes.

Then you are naive beyond belief.

Boris is a micromanager not a delegater?

No of course not, he's a chancer who will show absolutely zero loyalty to anyone and shaft or contradict underlings without compunction. Rather Trump-like in that respect.

And inclined, like Trump, to mess with random details (the water cannon thing was a hint of that).

isam said:

SandyRentool said:

Philip_Thompson said:

isam said:

Philip_Thompson said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Johnson: let the police stop and search any young people who look like they might be up to something illegal. Also: it's nobody's business if I took coke when I was 19.
One rule for OEs, one rule for the plebs.

How many 54 year old plebs do you know who are being questioned in a job interview as to what they did or did not take at 19?

I found it strange that Gove was labelled a hypocrite for suggesting lifetime bans for teachers caught with Class A drugs now, because he had used them in the past.

Especially when it was for getting convicted while a teacher not for spent convictions as a youth.

A politician getting convicted would be out of a job too.

Gove wasn't a youth. He was a journalist in his 30s. I guess he should therefore be banned from journalism for life. As should any other former coke snorter, such as Toby Young and our very own SeanT.

Do you really think that teachers shouldn't be held to a higher level of personal responsibility than journalists?

While the roles are not directly comparable, journalists have the potential to influence a large readership so should be held to a high standard.

justin124 said:

I may be wrong but do not recall Labour Leadership campaign launches by the various candidates in 2015 - or indeed 2010.It is not obvious that Boris had to have a launch at all.

And in 1926 none of the prospective leaders had a two minute video and campaign web site. Boris is running for the Conservative leadership in 2019. He might not need to do anything in particular but if all the others are doing it, whatever it is, then Boris might be advised to join in.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

kinabalu said:

kamski said:

One of the most depressing things about the possibility of Boris Johnson as PM is he is openly racist, sexist and homophobic. And doubly depressing that a lot of people don't seem to be that bothered by this.

take this not so well known example:
'In 2001, Johnson wrote in his book Friends, Voters, Countrymen that “if gay marriage was OK – and I was uncertain on the issue – then I saw no reason in principle why a union should not be consecrated between three men, as well as two men, or indeed three men and a dog”.'

from this list:
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/06/boris-johnson-s-racist-insults-dog-whistles-and-slurs

Bit more than 'not bothered'. Approving. The Trump effect. Toxic. Potent. Pervasive. Insidious. Far-reaching.

https://twitter.com/mowords/status/1138757066242363393

It was NOT "Muslim Women" - it was "Muslim women wot wear the veil".

Indeed it is derogatory to Islam to associate that abhorrent veil with all Muslims.

The_Taxman said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The_Taxman said:

I have to say after watching Boris Johnson on the TV today, I cannot imagine him as PM. He comes across very badly, unprofessional, glib and inarticulate. Johnson does not look the part, sound the part or have the judgement required for such an important role. He may well become PM but having a joke like that as PM is not funny!

And neither is Corbyn as LTO

True, I am in complete dispair at the moment about UK politics. The whole country seems to have gone haywire.

Why can't we just go back to the good old days of killing millions in far-flung countries, unrestrained apocalyptic damage to the environment, sidelining of minorities, and never-ending transfer of wealth to the richest? You know, when people were polite.

Chris said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Boris metaphorically needs to do just one thing once elected.

Go to Europe and say: We aren't passing the backstop. We will pass the agreement without it, otherwise there is no deal and no backstop anyway. Your choice. *drop mic and walk out*

Why do you say "metaphorically"?

If that's metaphorical, what do you think it corresponds to "literally"?

Same point but more diplomatic and don't literally drop the mic.

The_Taxman said:

I have to say after watching Boris Johnson on the TV today, I cannot imagine him as PM. He comes across very badly, unprofessional, glib and inarticulate. Johnson does not look the part, sound the part or have the judgement required for such an important role. He may well become PM but having a joke like that as PM is not funny!

If you had had a truly terrible day at work which ended in the sack, followed by an awful commute back, stuck for hours on the central line in a hot sweaty crowded carriage, eventually getting to your station way past dinner time, then on the walk home treading in a pile of dog shit, before finally arriving chez vous to discover your wife in bed with the builder - you might well at this point laugh.

It's funny in that sense.

Everyone take a few paces back from the detail of the leadership launch and examine the strategic position:
1. Brexit is the new political paradigm that defines all other issues / parties. Increasingly entrenched increasingly angry hate mobs on both sides
2. Leavers will not countenance any further delay. Whether the UK is ready or not, we must leave. And leave with no deal is the only proper leave
3. Leavers are predominantly Tory leaning. And will only vote Tory again if Leave really does mean Leave. Unless the Tories do this in the short term, Farage will obliterate them and make them irrelevant in the medium and long term
4. The parliamentary maths remain deadlocked - no support for deal, no deal, or remain. Yet the deadlock must be broken

Which explains the Boris stratagem. I want a deal, but we have to leave on Halloween. (then) I've spoken to these foreign jobbies and they won't budge so no deal it is. (then) These traitors and fools in Parliament want to block our future and imprison us here. I'm calling an election - vote Boris and we leave with no deal.

Thats it. Boris doesn't care about detail. Never has. And his audience of leavers don't care either (its all project fear). And unless he does this thing the Tories are toast. If it all goes wrong them may be toast, but may be is better than will be.

Boris as PM. Election in late October. A Tory win. Immediate No Deal and damn the consequences.

Philip_Thompson said:

kamski said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

kinabalu said:

kamski said:

One of the most depressing things about the possibility of Boris Johnson as PM is he is openly racist, sexist and homophobic. And doubly depressing that a lot of people don't seem to be that bothered by this.

take this not so well known example:
'In 2001, Johnson wrote in his book Friends, Voters, Countrymen that “if gay marriage was OK – and I was uncertain on the issue – then I saw no reason in principle why a union should not be consecrated between three men, as well as two men, or indeed three men and a dog”.'

from this list:
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/06/boris-johnson-s-racist-insults-dog-whistles-and-slurs

Bit more than 'not bothered'. Approving. The Trump effect. Toxic. Potent. Pervasive. Insidious. Far-reaching.

https://twitter.com/mowords/status/1138757066242363393

It was NOT "Muslim Women" - it was "Muslim women wot wear the veil".

Either way, Johnson thinks it's ok for Johnson to tell ethnic minority women what to wear.

No. Johnson's point in the article was he was opposing bans that other nations like France and Sweden have passed.

But why let facts get in the way of your gesturing?

Here is a fact: Johnson wrote this:
"If a constituent came to my MP’s surgery with her face obscured, I should feel fully entitled – like Jack Straw – to ask her to remove it so that I could talk to her properly."
So doing exactly what I said - telling ethnic minority women what to wear.

and why use insulting language like "gesturing"?

justin124 said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Everyone take a few paces back from the detail of the leadership launch and examine the strategic position:
1. Brexit is the new political paradigm that defines all other issues / parties. Increasingly entrenched increasingly angry hate mobs on both sides
2. Leavers will not countenance any further delay. Whether the UK is ready or not, we must leave. And leave with no deal is the only proper leave
3. Leavers are predominantly Tory leaning. And will only vote Tory again if Leave really does mean Leave. Unless the Tories do this in the short term, Farage will obliterate them and make them irrelevant in the medium and long term
4. The parliamentary maths remain deadlocked - no support for deal, no deal, or remain. Yet the deadlock must be broken

Which explains the Boris stratagem. I want a deal, but we have to leave on Halloween. (then) I've spoken to these foreign jobbies and they won't budge so no deal it is. (then) These traitors and fools in Parliament want to block our future and imprison us here. I'm calling an election - vote Boris and we leave with no deal.

Thats it. Boris doesn't care about detail. Never has. And his audience of leavers don't care either (its all project fear). And unless he does this thing the Tories are toast. If it all goes wrong them may be toast, but may be is better than will be.

Boris as PM. Election in late October. A Tory win. Immediate No Deal and damn the consequences.

Did you expect the Peterborough result?

I expected the Conservative vote to fall further, and therefore TBP to win.

Sean_F said:

kamski said:

One of the most depressing things about the possibility of Boris Johnson as PM is he is openly racist, sexist and homophobic. And doubly depressing that a lot of people don't seem to be that bothered by this.

take this not so well known example:
'In 2001, Johnson wrote in his book Friends, Voters, Countrymen that “if gay marriage was OK – and I was uncertain on the issue – then I saw no reason in principle why a union should not be consecrated between three men, as well as two men, or indeed three men and a dog”.'

from this list:
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/06/boris-johnson-s-racist-insults-dog-whistles-and-slurs

IMO, denouncing such sins becomes subject to a law of diminishing returns. When everything is racist, sexist, and homophobic, nothing is.

Indeed. Pink News says Boris has a positive record on LGBT issues, as does They Work For You. He voted for the removal of 28, voted for Civil Partnerships and backed legalising gay marriage before it was on the agenda and was highest ranking Tory to do so when he did.

kamski said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

kinabalu said:

kamski said:

One of the most depressing things about the possibility of Boris Johnson as PM is he is openly racist, sexist and homophobic. And doubly depressing that a lot of people don't seem to be that bothered by this.

take this not so well known example:
'In 2001, Johnson wrote in his book Friends, Voters, Countrymen that “if gay marriage was OK – and I was uncertain on the issue – then I saw no reason in principle why a union should not be consecrated between three men, as well as two men, or indeed three men and a dog”.'

from this list:
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/06/boris-johnson-s-racist-insults-dog-whistles-and-slurs

Bit more than 'not bothered'. Approving. The Trump effect. Toxic. Potent. Pervasive. Insidious. Far-reaching.

https://twitter.com/mowords/status/1138757066242363393

It was NOT "Muslim Women" - it was "Muslim women wot wear the veil".

Either way, Johnson thinks it's ok for Johnson to tell ethnic minority women what to wear.

1) Not all ethnic minority women wear the veil.

2) Plenty of prominent British Muslim ladies do not wear religious paraphernalia, like Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, Saira Khan, Rupa Huq MP, Tulip Siddiqui MP, etc.

RoyalBlue said:

kamski said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

kinabalu said:

kamski said:

One of the most depressing things about the possibility of Boris Johnson as PM is he is openly racist, sexist and homophobic. And doubly depressing that a lot of people don't seem to be that bothered by this.

take this not so well known example:
'In 2001, Johnson wrote in his book Friends, Voters, Countrymen that “if gay marriage was OK – and I was uncertain on the issue – then I saw no reason in principle why a union should not be consecrated between three men, as well as two men, or indeed three men and a dog”.'

from this list:
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/06/boris-johnson-s-racist-insults-dog-whistles-and-slurs

Bit more than 'not bothered'. Approving. The Trump effect. Toxic. Potent. Pervasive. Insidious. Far-reaching.

https://twitter.com/mowords/status/1138757066242363393

It was NOT "Muslim Women" - it was "Muslim women wot wear the veil".

Either way, Johnson thinks it's ok for Johnson to tell ethnic minority women what to wear.

Who knew that Islam was an ethnicity?

Idiot.

here's a tip, to avoid making an "idiot" of yourself, try replacing the word "Islam" with the word "Judaism" or the world "muslims" with the word "jews" in any statement to see how it sounds, it should help you with your blindspot.

isam said:

...whilst presenting themselves as a victim despite being privileged...

Like Michael Gove, then...

(ducks, runs out of room.... )

kamski said:

Philip_Thompson said:

kamski said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

kinabalu said:

kamski said:

One of the most depressing things about the possibility of Boris Johnson as PM is he is openly racist, sexist and homophobic. And doubly depressing that a lot of people don't seem to be that bothered by this.

take this not so well known example:
'In 2001, Johnson wrote in his book Friends, Voters, Countrymen that “if gay marriage was OK – and I was uncertain on the issue – then I saw no reason in principle why a union should not be consecrated between three men, as well as two men, or indeed three men and a dog”.'

from this list:
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/06/boris-johnson-s-racist-insults-dog-whistles-and-slurs

Bit more than 'not bothered'. Approving. The Trump effect. Toxic. Potent. Pervasive. Insidious. Far-reaching.

https://twitter.com/mowords/status/1138757066242363393

It was NOT "Muslim Women" - it was "Muslim women wot wear the veil".

Either way, Johnson thinks it's ok for Johnson to tell ethnic minority women what to wear.

No. Johnson's point in the article was he was opposing bans that other nations like France and Sweden have passed.

But why let facts get in the way of your gesturing?

Here is a fact: Johnson wrote this:
"If a constituent came to my MP’s surgery with her face obscured, I should feel fully entitled – like Jack Straw – to ask her to remove it so that I could talk to her properly."
So doing exactly what I said - telling ethnic minority women what to wear.

and why use insulting language like "gesturing"?

1) Not all ethnic minority women wear the veil!

2) Plenty of prominent British Muslim ladies do not wear religious paraphernalia, like Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, Saira Khan, Rupa Huq MP, Tulip Siddiqui MP, etc.

Foxy said:

https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1138775176777277440?s=19

Thank you Steve McLaren

Stereotomy said:

The_Taxman said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The_Taxman said:

I have to say after watching Boris Johnson on the TV today, I cannot imagine him as PM. He comes across very badly, unprofessional, glib and inarticulate. Johnson does not look the part, sound the part or have the judgement required for such an important role. He may well become PM but having a joke like that as PM is not funny!

And neither is Corbyn as LTO

True, I am in complete dispair at the moment about UK politics. The whole country seems to have gone haywire.

Why can't we just go back to the good old days of killing millions in far-flung countries, unrestrained apocalyptic damage to the environment, sidelining of minorities, and never-ending transfer of wealth to the richest? You know, when people were polite.

I did not support the 2003 onward Gulf war. My thinking on that is G W Bush only embarked upon that was because it was unfinnished business from the 1991 war in the eyes of the neo con advisers G W Bush surrounded himself with. If we Brexit we will likley be ever more intertwinned with US wars as we seek a closer trade relationship.

The problem with environmentalism is it is like chasing shadows, as soon as x is implemented people want y. It is never ending! I do think the global population needs to live a more sustainable consumption of resources but the UK cannot impact the global problem alone as it is futile.

The_Taxman said:

Stereotomy said:

The_Taxman said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The_Taxman said:

I have to say after watching Boris Johnson on the TV today, I cannot imagine him as PM. He comes across very badly, unprofessional, glib and inarticulate. Johnson does not look the part, sound the part or have the judgement required for such an important role. He may well become PM but having a joke like that as PM is not funny!

And neither is Corbyn as LTO

True, I am in complete dispair at the moment about UK politics. The whole country seems to have gone haywire.

Why can't we just go back to the good old days of killing millions in far-flung countries, unrestrained apocalyptic damage to the environment, sidelining of minorities, and never-ending transfer of wealth to the richest? You know, when people were polite.

I did not support the 2003 onward Gulf war. My thinking on that is G W Bush only embarked upon that was because it was unfinnished business from the 1991 war in the eyes of the neo con advisers G W Bush surrounded himself with. If we Brexit we will likley be ever more intertwinned with US wars as we seek a closer trade relationship.

The problem with environmentalism is it is like chasing shadows, as soon as x is implemented people want y. It is never ending! I do think the global population needs to live a more sustainable consumption of resources but the UK cannot impact the global problem alone as it is futile.

As soon as we have clean water people want clean air. Shocking!

RoyalBlue said:

kamski said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

kinabalu said:

kamski said:

One of the most depressing things about the possibility of Boris Johnson as PM is he is openly racist, sexist and homophobic. And doubly depressing that a lot of people don't seem to be that bothered by this.

take this not so well known example:
'In 2001, Johnson wrote in his book Friends, Voters, Countrymen that “if gay marriage was OK – and I was uncertain on the issue – then I saw no reason in principle why a union should not be consecrated between three men, as well as two men, or indeed three men and a dog”.'

from this list:
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/06/boris-johnson-s-racist-insults-dog-whistles-and-slurs

Bit more than 'not bothered'. Approving. The Trump effect. Toxic. Potent. Pervasive. Insidious. Far-reaching.

https://twitter.com/mowords/status/1138757066242363393

It was NOT "Muslim Women" - it was "Muslim women wot wear the veil".

Either way, Johnson thinks it's ok for Johnson to tell ethnic minority women what to wear.

Who knew that Islam was an ethnicity?

Idiot.

Who knew it might be simple to elucidate the ethnic background of UK Muslims ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_Kingdom#/media/File:British_Muslims_Ethnic_groups.png

Idiot.

RoyalBlue said:

kamski said:

RoyalBlue said:

kamski said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

kinabalu said:

kamski said:

One of the most depressing things about the possibility of Boris Johnson as PM is he is openly racist, sexist and homophobic. And doubly depressing that a lot of people don't seem to be that bothered by this.

take this not so well known example:
'In 2001, Johnson wrote in his book Friends, Voters, Countrymen that “if gay marriage was OK – and I was uncertain on the issue – then I saw no reason in principle why a union should not be consecrated between three men, as well as two men, or indeed three men and a dog”.'

from this list:
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/06/boris-johnson-s-racist-insults-dog-whistles-and-slurs

Bit more than 'not bothered'. Approving. The Trump effect. Toxic. Potent. Pervasive. Insidious. Far-reaching.

https://twitter.com/mowords/status/1138757066242363393

It was NOT "Muslim Women" - it was "Muslim women wot wear the veil".

Either way, Johnson thinks it's ok for Johnson to tell ethnic minority women what to wear.

Who knew that Islam was an ethnicity?

Idiot.

here's a tip, to avoid making an "idiot" of yourself, try replacing the word "Islam" with the word "Judaism" or the world "muslims" with the word "jews" in any statement to see how it sounds, it should help you with your blindspot.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew?

I think you should read this, and quite a lot else besides, before you post any more of your nonsense on here.

ok so my mum has no jewish ancestors that I know of and converted to judaism when I was a teenager. is she a jew?
(clue: yes)