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'A series of votes to be put to the house'
Indicative votes bingo.0 -
Labour will not fall for this. Is this what 7 hours has produced?0
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Well done TM. Making Corbyn responsible is a smart moveDadge said:May trying to call Corbyn's bluff
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Corbyn is never going to compromise.0
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They read PB.0
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What a load of wank0
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That'll piss off the ERG, so at least it has an upside.0
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And thus will have to take the blamePhilip_Thompson said:Corbyn is never going to compromise.
TM has shown willingness to talk. He has to play ball or face the consequences0 -
LMAO, just when you think she can't get any worse at politics, she does.0
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If so they will be traduced by the publicGallowgate said:Labour will not fall for this. Is this what 7 hours has produced?
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This is pathetic.0
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And Corbyn wanted to invoke Article 50 on the morning after the referendumAndrew said:AramintaMoonbeamQC said:She's going to talk to Corbyn. Radical thinking.
#shouldhavedonethis2yearsago
Corbyn refused.
We cannot let him forget that classic0 -
Parliament would have demanded it tomorrow. Might as well get ahead of it.Scott_P said:0 -
This plan is dead on arrival.0
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She hasn't the slightest clue how to fix this. Talks with Corbyn? Done that already. Vote for her deal? Done that already. Indicative votes? Done that already.0
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Death by a thousand cuts. She and Corbyn will agree to nothing. She is offering him credibility to be part of the solution in exchange for making him a scapegoat if nothing comes of it. All Corbyn wants is a GE.Black_Rook said:Oh God no, another fucking extension!
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Very smart from May - and exactly the right thing to do. I am actually a little bit emotional. She has put the country first.0
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A meeting with Tom Watson would have been more productive.0
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Whywilliamglenn said:This is pathetic.
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I think this is wishful thinking.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If so they will be traduced by the publicGallowgate said:Labour will not fall for this. Is this what 7 hours has produced?
The line will simply be that nothing in the PD is binding and therefore it's worthless.0 -
The European Elections would actually have been a decent barometer of public opinion, it's a shame they aren't going ahead.0
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No they won't. They'll say May won't compromise and his acolytes will repeat thatBig_G_NorthWales said:
If so they will be traduced by the publicGallowgate said:Labour will not fall for this. Is this what 7 hours has produced?
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The question is what is the next step of this plan that they want to blame Corbyn for (not that it will be credible).0
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Nothing. Has. Changed.
Keep. Kicking. That. Can.
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Just my thoughtsSouthamObserver said:Very smart from May - and exactly the right thing to do. I am actually a little bit emotional. She has put the country first.
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No deal isn’t happening .
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In what way? I genuinely don't get it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If so they will be traduced by the publicGallowgate said:Labour will not fall for this. Is this what 7 hours has produced?
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This will set the optics for the blame game when Brexit fails.
Very clever from TM.0 -
Rigby is a dreadful journalist - utterly without personality or class.
How on earth did she get promoted?0 -
Hopefully the EU will tell her to sod off - HOWEVER, if they don't *AND* she's really serious about avoiding No Deal, then the writ for the European Parliamentary elections is going to have to be moved before April 12th.
If the country isn't ready to hold the European elections then we'll *have* to leave on May 22nd regardless.0 -
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Beth Ribgy shouting questions at cabinet ministers leaving downing street like a cheap hack0
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If we've gotten to the point where YouTube is being compared to utility companies, then something has gone seriously wrong somewhere. I don't think we have; the great thing about the internet is that there are no barriers to entry remotely comparable to the utility companies, so he is perfectly able and entitled to start his own blog or website and publish whatever he fancies. I don't see why YouTube should be forced to pay to host him and watch him tank their advertising revenue into the bargain.Charles said:
The concern is once they become a dominant stream of discourse they are not just private companies. In the way that, for example, it is (rightly) very difficult to cut off someone’s water or gas supply it should be difficult to cut off their right to express their views publiclyEndillion said:
If you get arrested for shouting things into a megaphone enough times on, say, Oxford Street, eventually you should just get banned from Oxford Street altogether. And possibly a bunch of other streets nearby, just in case. YouTube is a private company rather than a public space, which should make it simpler to ban people they don't want.Charles said:
It’s a reasonable analogyJosiasJessop said:
I think there's a reasonable rule of thumb: if you'd get arrested for standing in the street and shouting something into a megaphone, you shouldn't expect a right to say it on open forums on the Internet. Though there are difficulties with that concept as well wrt territories.
The difference is YouTube isn’t arresting him for shouting something into a megaphone, they are preventing him from saying anything
Actually I think this is a positive development generally. The problem we're having with the likes of YouTube and Facebook is that they have long insisted they are tech companies, not publishing/media companies, and therefore they have no responsibility for what people use their platforms to post. The recent trend has been towards forcing them to take more and more action to remove prohibited content quicker - in particular the recent New Zealand mosque attack, where they were criticised for allowing the gunman to post live footage - which is almost impossible to stop unless you require moderation for everything in real time. If we had similar rules in place social media companies as we do for the wider media (eg editors can't just hide behind their journalists if they post false accusations without checking them properly) then we'd be in a much better place.0 -
Sky news reports Leadsom may resign possibly other Leavers in Cabinet0
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If Corbyn refuses to cooperate he will carry the candixiedean said:
In what way? I genuinely don't get it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If so they will be traduced by the publicGallowgate said:Labour will not fall for this. Is this what 7 hours has produced?
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Waiting until after the date when we were supposed to leave to make a "big generous offer" to Corbyn to agree the approach in the national interest?CaptainBuzzkill said:This will set the optics for the blame game when Brexit fails.
Very clever from TM.0 -
May has effectively stopped being Tory PM and abandoned Blue Brexit. Corbyn wins(?) but I'm not sure he wants to work with her. The price she's paying (losing support from the Brexiters in her party) might not be worth it?0
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Better a Corbyn Brexit than no Brexit?dyedwoolie said:Looking for a deal with Corbyn
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Not too difficult to be promoted to Faisal Islam roleoxfordsimon said:Rigby is a dreadful journalist - utterly without personality or class.
How on earth did she get promoted?0 -
I am watching Sky and they didn't report that - they speculated that. Because Rigby is trying to fill the air when she has nothing actually worth sayingHYUFD said:Sky news reports Leadsom may resign possibly other Leavers in Cabinet
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Adler on BBC says EU will likely agree further extension provided UK contests the EU Parliament elections to avoid blame for any No DealBlack_Rook said:Hopefully the EU will tell her to sod off - HOWEVER, if they don't *AND* she's really serious about avoiding No Deal, then the writ for the European Parliamentary elections is going to have to be moved before April 12th.
If the country isn't ready to hold the European elections then we'll *have* to leave on May 22nd regardless.0 -
Hold your horses. On what basis will she be asking for the extension to 22nd May? And does she know what this does to business? We can't sit here at Defcon 1 forevernico67 said:No deal isn’t happening .
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She's trying to blame Corbyn for a no deal Brexit and it just won't work. I'm even beginning to be tempted to vote Labour in the next election just to spite her. Just awful.0
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It’s brave. Glad she has done it. She’ll get a lot of stick. As will Corbyn. Hope it’s genuine, not tactics. Will give her benefit of doubt.SouthamObserver said:Very smart from May - and exactly the right thing to do. I am actually a little bit emotional. She has put the country first.
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If Jezza was shrewd he'd tell Theresa that he'd support her WA on the condition that if the Irish border problem wasn't solved there'd be a referendum on a united Ireland. What could Theresa possibly say to that?0
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For going into the European elections, not for No Deal.Gallowgate said:She's trying to blame Corbyn for a no deal Brexit and it just won't work. I'm even beginning to be tempted to vote Labour in the next election just to spite her. Just awful.
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The DUP cannot be talked to on this matter. If Brexit costs the Tories their majority, that is a price they have to pay.Scott_P said:0 -
Reading everyone else's posts I guess I must be extremely naive. I thought she had chosen a soft Brexit and that No Deal has come off the table. Clearly not. How did I miss it from what May said?0
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I don't get why people are saying she's ruled out No Deal?
The main takeaway I got from that speech was her ruling out an extension past 22 May, or taking part in European elections. That's basically choosing No Deal, since there's not a cat's chance in hell her deal will pass before then.0 -
How is it different to Corbyn seeking to blame May for a no deal Brexit?Gallowgate said:She's trying to blame Corbyn for a no deal Brexit and it just won't work. I'm even beginning to be tempted to vote Labour in the next election just to spite her. Just awful.
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She hasn't chosen anything except to kick the can a bit more and try to blame Corbyn for whatever comes next.SouthamObserver said:Reading everyone else's posts I guess I must be extremely naive. I thought she had chosen a soft Brexit and that No Deal has come off the table. Clearly not. How did I miss it from what May said?
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I am not sure that is what happened although it is the Sky spin.nico67 said:No deal isn’t happening .
Amen!
May said that we could make a success of No Deal but she was going to try this first. If this fails then the No Deal option is still on the table. And there are so many ways this can fail.0 -
Looks desperate to me, not smart.0
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If no deal is as bad as many think, then it is worth it.Dadge said:May has effectively stopped being Tory PM and abandoned Blue Brexit. Corbyn wins(?) but I'm not sure he wants to work with her. The price she's paying (losing support from the Brexiters in her party) might not be worth it?
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Some of you have read this very wrong if you think this drops Labour in it. Those of you who say brexiteers won’t be happy are spot on. She’s just clearly said looking for softer brexit and new red lines to get a deal.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If Corbyn refuses to cooperate he will carry the candixiedean said:
In what way? I genuinely don't get it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If so they will be traduced by the publicGallowgate said:Labour will not fall for this. Is this what 7 hours has produced?
And what’s May’s party going to do now May goes that way? Moves the red lines.
She’s toast.0 -
Evening all
Hearing this on way home. It's rarely a good move for a prime Minister to treat the LOTO as an equal. May is giving Corbyn an authority and a legitimacy he doesn't have currently and doesn't deserve.
IF Corbyn makes it to 10 Downing Street this might be one of the crucial moments - providing he has the sense to look statesmanlike and doesn't descend into party political petulance (or flatulence).0 -
Because May is Prime Minister. She is literally responsible. It's her job.kle4 said:
How is it different to Corbyn seeking to blame May for a no deal Brexit?Gallowgate said:She's trying to blame Corbyn for a no deal Brexit and it just won't work. I'm even beginning to be tempted to vote Labour in the next election just to spite her. Just awful.
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That's a bold call!nico67 said:No deal isn’t happening .
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Corbyn needs to be seen walking into No10.0
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May salting the earth for her successor - might buy her another 12 months in the job - nobody is touching this turd way.0
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Told everyone May would collapse like a cheap suit0
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No I agree with you. I think May was saying 1. CU deal with Labour, if not that 2. indicative votes leading to CU deal. And then she crosses her fingers and hopes enough MPs back it.SouthamObserver said:Reading everyone else's posts I guess I must be extremely naive. I thought she had chosen a soft Brexit and that No Deal has come off the table. Clearly not. How did I miss it from what May said?
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https://twitter.com/theresa_may/status/865855578454806529stodge said:Hearing this on way home. It's rarely a good move for a prime Minister to treat the LOTO as an equal. May is giving Corbyn an authority and a legitimacy he doesn't have currently and doesn't deserve.
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To hand in a rural bus petitionJonathan said:Corbyn needs to be seen walking into No10.
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Didn't May meet Corbyn last week? Although he walked out as Chuka was there. Why would this make any difference?0
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Don't really see how this can work when nothing else had. There's still no deal that can pass the house, not split the Tories and be agreed with the EU. The two solutions are as they have always been: accept the Tory split or try to change the parliamentary arithmetic via an election.0
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That would be my play.Artist said:A meeting with Tom Watson would have been more productive.
Corbyn (Seamus Milne) will manufacture a reason not to cooperate.0 -
So after 7 hours the Cabinet has decided Jezza runs the country?
Weak. Weak. Weak.0 -
That’s what the ERG will cling onto as an excuse for their obstinacy.Richard_Tyndall said:
I am not sure that is what happened although it is the Sky spin.nico67 said:No deal isn’t happening .
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May said that we could make a success of No Deal but she was going to try this first. If this fails then the No Deal option is still on the table. And there are so many ways this can fail.0 -
But what is this supposed to achieve? Assuming that the EU grants the extension, talks with Corbyn will achieve nothing. How this will most likely end is with a few weeks of can-kicking, followed by yet another attempt to get the Withdrawal Agreement to pass.SouthamObserver said:Very smart from May - and exactly the right thing to do. I am actually a little bit emotional. She has put the country first.
I'm very sceptical about this. My husband, on the other hand, thinks that after the talks with Corbyn fail, this will end with a Government-sponsored round of indicative votes and Deal+CU will eventually pass. We'll see which, if either, of us is right. Eventually.0 -
The one tactical strength she has left is that the Tory Party cannot shift her.0
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This is risky stuff from Theresa. She doesn't want Jezza to look like the messiah striding into Number Ten, poised to salvage Brexit and the nation with it.0
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If he came out of his meeting with May and made a statement on the steps of Downing Street saying her deal should be put to a People's Vote, he'd look like the real PM.Jonathan said:Corbyn needs to be seen walking into No10.
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Sorry, that doen't wash. Parliament must pass something. She is more responsible for this mess than Corbyn because she is PM, but if both are doing the same thing now, just seeking to blame the other for no deal, it is no different.Gallowgate said:
Because May is Prime Minister. She is literally responsible. It's her job.kle4 said:
How is it different to Corbyn seeking to blame May for a no deal Brexit?Gallowgate said:She's trying to blame Corbyn for a no deal Brexit and it just won't work. I'm even beginning to be tempted to vote Labour in the next election just to spite her. Just awful.
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Might be his only chanceJonathan said:Corbyn needs to be seen walking into No10.
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I expect the shit head wing of the Tory party (Francois, Baker, Bridgen et al) to vote against the government in a confidence motion now.Jonathan said:The one tactical strength she has left is that the Tory Party cannot shift her.
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No they won't. They would have been if it had been offered at the beginning of the process, not after it had failed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If so they will be traduced by the publicGallowgate said:Labour will not fall for this. Is this what 7 hours has produced?
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May supporters on their high horses despite the fact she should have done this over two years ago.0
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TM had a decision to take and on the biggest one since WW2 she has put the UK interests firstdots said:
Some of you have read this very wrong if you think this drops Labour in it. Those of you who say brexiteers won’t be happy are spot on. She’s just clearly said looking for softer brexit and new red lines to get a deal.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If Corbyn refuses to cooperate he will carry the candixiedean said:
In what way? I genuinely don't get it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If so they will be traduced by the publicGallowgate said:Labour will not fall for this. Is this what 7 hours has produced?
And what’s May’s party going to do now May goes that way? Moves the red lines.
She’s toast.
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For swing voters it may well do, if she puts forward Deal plus Customs Union and Corbyn rejects it, though his backbenchers may rebel and support itGallowgate said:She's trying to blame Corbyn for a no deal Brexit and it just won't work. I'm even beginning to be tempted to vote Labour in the next election just to spite her. Just awful.
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That smacks of unqualified desperation.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/theresa_may/status/865855578454806529stodge said:Hearing this on way home. It's rarely a good move for a prime Minister to treat the LOTO as an equal. May is giving Corbyn an authority and a legitimacy he doesn't have currently and doesn't deserve.
We also have this notion of a "short extension" which is throwing it back to the EU once again. The EU will happily agree to extend to 22/5 if we agree the WA but if we don't want to go any further and there's no WA in sight we leave without a WA on 12/4.0 -
Con MPs had their chance - they blew it.Gallowgate said:May supporters on their high horses despite the fact she should have done this over two years ago.
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There is no building in the world he could stand outside and look like a PM.williamglenn said:
If he came out of his meeting with May and made a statement on the steps of Downing Street saying her deal should be put to a People's Vote, he'd look like the real PM.Jonathan said:Corbyn needs to be seen walking into No10.
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Then if Corbyn is clever he should table a VONC now?TheScreamingEagles said:
I expect the shit head wing of the Tory party (Francois, Baker, Bridgen et al) to vote against the government in a confidence motion now.Jonathan said:The one tactical strength she has left is that the Tory Party cannot shift her.
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She's ducked the real decision, which was to choose between a soft Brexit and a second referendum.Big_G_NorthWales said:
TM had a decision to take and on the biggest one since WW2 she has put the UK interests firstdots said:
Some of you have read this very wrong if you think this drops Labour in it. Those of you who say brexiteers won’t be happy are spot on. She’s just clearly said looking for softer brexit and new red lines to get a deal.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If Corbyn refuses to cooperate he will carry the candixiedean said:
In what way? I genuinely don't get it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If so they will be traduced by the publicGallowgate said:Labour will not fall for this. Is this what 7 hours has produced?
And what’s May’s party going to do now May goes that way? Moves the red lines.
She’s toast.
There will be consequences and for once 'things have changed'0
