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Similar to when I was watching News at Ten last Wednesday and the ITV subtitles kept referring to the DUP as "do you pee" whenever it was said by Foster and her lot.kinabalu said:Well, gym, and the rolling text on BBC News kept saying Toadies instead of Tories. Sentences like -
"Much discussion as whether the Toadies will be blamed for a No Deal Brexit."
"Nobody appears to want to compromise. Not the TIGs, not Labour, not the Toadies."
"Highly unlikely that there will be an election until there is a new Toady leader."
It was very hard not to laugh. In fact I didn't manage it.0 -
come on guys
don't believe the hype
we've been here LITERALLY four times before0 -
We will go to Brussels and ask for an extension for ... err... we’re not sure yet.IanB2 said:
Surely a long extension? No deal doesn't require a motion and any such would be voted down.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sounds about right.0 -
Oh God, please, no. They will never make a decision about anything, ever, if they aren't forced to do so by the constraint of time.IanB2 said:
Surely a long extension? No deal doesn't require a motion and any such would be voted down.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
+1000%Black_Rook said:
Oh God, please, no. They will never make a decision about anything, ever, if they aren't forced to do so by the constraint of time.IanB2 said:
Surely a long extension? No deal doesn't require a motion and any such would be voted down.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sadly I think the EU will let us do that.0 -
Each time I get this little frisson of anticipation that something interesting will happen.TheWhiteRabbit said:come on guys
don't believe the hype
we've been here LITERALLY four times before
Each time Theresa manages to disappoint me.0 -
Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.0
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"Then we can keep our deal aliveisam said:
"You got debate Geoffrey, we go the notion, we get together we can table Brexit motion"TheScreamingEagles said:
And when it falls we won't let it die
It doesn't matter if you win or lose
It's how you play the game so get that motion moved"0 -
I knew it. They HAVE decided what they want for breakfast!Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
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on what to have for dinner?Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
how many times are you gonna fall for this.0 -
Nando's for dinner tonight.Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
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They've sprung for pepperoni over Hawaiian.Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
Actually, I expect it is that they'll give one more go for the WA, then extended no deal,w ith the 'remainers' in Cabinet defending themselves onthe basis that it is better than crashing out with even less preparation.
Tory MPs want no deal, there's no way around that for May.0 -
Nick Boles was hurt by his deselection and his actions yesterday seemed to be one of piqueBig_G_NorthWales said:Sky reporting the Letwin/Cooper bill, if it gets through the HOC it will need the HOL to sit on friday at which time it is open to amendments, and it is likely brexiteers will table many
Nick Boles was hurt by his deselection and clearly distressed by losing his amendment, but his commons statement was of someone acting in a fit of pique. He certainly is not leader material, and many in the party are unsuitable, but there are cabinet members who could lead, especially against CorbynRoger said:
PS. Can anyone argue with his thought that NO ONE who served in the Cabinet from 2017 till the present should be next Tory leader or that May's Cabinet is the worst in living memory.Roger said:Fab interview with Nick Boles. They should have chosen him as next leader. He actually sounded genuine.
(Well done to Laura K who did the interview)0 -
numbertwelve said:
I knew it. They HAVE decided what they want for breakfast!Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
TheWhiteRabbit said:
on what to have for dinner?Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
how many times are you gonna fall for this.Philip_Thompson said:
Nando's for dinner tonight.Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
Yeah, the joke was a bit obvious, wasn't it?kle4 said:
They've sprung for pepperoni over Hawaiian.Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
Actually, I expect it is that they'll give one more go for the WA, then extended no deal,w ith the 'remainers' in Cabinet defending themselves onthe basis that it is better than crashing out with even less preparation.
Tory MPs want no deal, there's no way around that for May.0 -
'Cross every ocean, for the sake of Brexit motion, but we don't have a notion, how to sort out this mess'isam said:
"You got debate Geoffrey, we got the notion, we get together we can table Brexit motion"TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Who said this?
"I believe it is Theresa May’s destiny to be the Prime Minister who delivers Brexit in a way that preserves the UK’s prosperity, constitutional integrity and position in the world."0 -
How do you know they didn't, and decided that there would be enough people who wanted to buy it, to make selling it worthwhile?Foxy said:
They ought to consider that many vegans do not want to eat a facsimilie of bleeding meat!FrancisUrquhart said:First it was the vegan sausage roll, now the BK Whopper...
Fast food chain Burger King says it will trial a new plant-based alternative to its meat burgers.
The Impossible Whopper is made with a type of soybean root called heme, which gives the impression of bleeding, getting close to simulating real meat.
https://news.sky.com/story/burger-king-launches-plant-based-impossible-whopper-11682142
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Nick Boles is bang on the money. The Tory Party as was no longer exists.0
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You guysTheWhiteRabbit said:numbertwelve said:
I knew it. They HAVE decided what they want for breakfast!Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
TheWhiteRabbit said:
on what to have for dinner?Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
how many times are you gonna fall for this.Philip_Thompson said:
Nando's for dinner tonight.Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
Yeah, the joke was a bit obvious, wasn't it?kle4 said:
They've sprung for pepperoni over Hawaiian.Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
Actually, I expect it is that they'll give one more go for the WA, then extended no deal,w ith the 'remainers' in Cabinet defending themselves onthe basis that it is better than crashing out with even less preparation.
Tory MPs want no deal, there's no way around that for May.
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No regrets.TheWhiteRabbit said:numbertwelve said:
I knew it. They HAVE decided what they want for breakfast!Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
TheWhiteRabbit said:
on what to have for dinner?Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
how many times are you gonna fall for this.Philip_Thompson said:
Nando's for dinner tonight.Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
Yeah, the joke was a bit obvious, wasn't it?kle4 said:
They've sprung for pepperoni over Hawaiian.Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
Actually, I expect it is that they'll give one more go for the WA, then extended no deal,w ith the 'remainers' in Cabinet defending themselves onthe basis that it is better than crashing out with even less preparation.
Tory MPs want no deal, there's no way around that for May.0 -
what is extended no deal? and is the EU really going to allow an extension for it?kle4 said:
They've sprung for pepperoni over Hawaiian.Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
Actually, I expect it is that they'll give one more go for the WA, then extended no deal,w ith the 'remainers' in Cabinet defending themselves onthe basis that it is better than crashing out with even less preparation.
Tory MPs want no deal, there's no way around that for May.0 -
I think it is just a hope the EU will give us six months, or until the end of the year, before we crash out. As to the EU allowing it, I have no idea. I think the EU would be much more willing to permit extensions than they say, given they watered things down last time. I almost hope they don't, so our MPs cannot kick the can.paulyork64 said:
what is extended no deal? and is the EU really going to allow an extension for it?kle4 said:
They've sprung for pepperoni over Hawaiian.Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
Actually, I expect it is that they'll give one more go for the WA, then extended no deal,w ith the 'remainers' in Cabinet defending themselves onthe basis that it is better than crashing out with even less preparation.
Tory MPs want no deal, there's no way around that for May.0 -
If you extend the departure date to December 2020, then the Withdrawal Agreement is unnecessary.paulyork64 said:
what is extended no deal? and is the EU really going to allow an extension for it?kle4 said:
They've sprung for pepperoni over Hawaiian.Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
Actually, I expect it is that they'll give one more go for the WA, then extended no deal,w ith the 'remainers' in Cabinet defending themselves onthe basis that it is better than crashing out with even less preparation.
Tory MPs want no deal, there's no way around that for May.0 -
With Euro elections?viewcode said:
If you extend the departure date to December 2020, then the Withdrawal Agreement is unnecessary.paulyork64 said:
what is extended no deal? and is the EU really going to allow an extension for it?kle4 said:
They've sprung for pepperoni over Hawaiian.Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
Actually, I expect it is that they'll give one more go for the WA, then extended no deal,w ith the 'remainers' in Cabinet defending themselves onthe basis that it is better than crashing out with even less preparation.
Tory MPs want no deal, there's no way around that for May.0 -
The Evening Standard says May is considering adding a Customs Union to the PD of her Deal and giving Labour MPs to right to influence future talks in order to get it through. However 20 Tory MPs are said to be ready to back a VONC rather than any Brexit compromise.
Rudd, Gauke and Clark are also pressuring the PM to agree to contest the European Parliament elections and ask the EU to extend Article 50.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-top-tories-warn-theresa-may-they-are-on-the-brink-of-a-historic-party-split-a4107021.html
The paper also says the party faces its biggest split since Peel and the repeal of the Corn Laws
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-standard-comment-past-present-and-future-tories-face-historic-split-killing-eve-returns-soon-a4107101.html0 -
Yup.Gallowgate said:
With Euro elections?viewcode said:
If you extend the departure date to December 2020, then the Withdrawal Agreement is unnecessary.paulyork64 said:
what is extended no deal? and is the EU really going to allow an extension for it?kle4 said:
They've sprung for pepperoni over Hawaiian.Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
Actually, I expect it is that they'll give one more go for the WA, then extended no deal,w ith the 'remainers' in Cabinet defending themselves onthe basis that it is better than crashing out with even less preparation.
Tory MPs want no deal, there's no way around that for May.0 -
They're announcing their no deal contingency plans to guarantee the availability of pineapple chunks for topping pizzasnumbertwelve said:
I knew it. They HAVE decided what they want for breakfast!Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
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Nostradamus? It might rhyme in latin.williamglenn said:Who said this?
"I believe it is Theresa May’s destiny to be the Prime Minister who delivers Brexit in a way that preserves the UK’s prosperity, constitutional integrity and position in the world."0 -
A transition period where we get a seat at the table as well? What's not to like? Thanks.viewcode said:
Yup.Gallowgate said:
With Euro elections?viewcode said:
If you extend the departure date to December 2020, then the Withdrawal Agreement is unnecessary.paulyork64 said:
what is extended no deal? and is the EU really going to allow an extension for it?kle4 said:
They've sprung for pepperoni over Hawaiian.Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
Actually, I expect it is that they'll give one more go for the WA, then extended no deal,w ith the 'remainers' in Cabinet defending themselves onthe basis that it is better than crashing out with even less preparation.
Tory MPs want no deal, there's no way around that for May.0 -
It was Nick Boles, last October.Recidivist said:
Nostradamus? It might rhyme in latin.williamglenn said:Who said this?
"I believe it is Theresa May’s destiny to be the Prime Minister who delivers Brexit in a way that preserves the UK’s prosperity, constitutional integrity and position in the world."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6284063/NICK-BOLES-reveals-workable-Brexit-plan.html0 -
Cabinet is still in no 10
Sky predicting a big decision has been made0 -
Yeh right. Nothing has changed etc etc.Big_G_NorthWales said:Cabinet is still in no 10
Sky predicting a big decision has been made0 -
Brick up the exits, and do us all a favour.Big_G_NorthWales said:Cabinet is still in no 10
Sky predicting a big decision has been made0 -
Yup. Let's bite the bullet: extend to Dec 2020, abandon the WA and the PD, use the 21 months to prepare for no-deal, abandon the GFA, build a Game Of Thrones wall between Ireland and Northern Ireland, and get on with our lives. It has the admirable advantage of requiring consent of no other countries at all.Gallowgate said:
With Euro elections?viewcode said:
If you extend the departure date to December 2020, then the Withdrawal Agreement is unnecessary.paulyork64 said:
what is extended no deal? and is the EU really going to allow an extension for it?kle4 said:
They've sprung for pepperoni over Hawaiian.Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
Actually, I expect it is that they'll give one more go for the WA, then extended no deal,w ith the 'remainers' in Cabinet defending themselves onthe basis that it is better than crashing out with even less preparation.
Tory MPs want no deal, there's no way around that for May.0 -
Show of hands... who here thinks a genuinely big decision has actually been made?Big_G_NorthWales said:Cabinet is still in no 10
Sky predicting a big decision has been made0 -
Surely it require the consent from the EU 27?viewcode said:
Yup. Let's bite the bullet: extend to Dec 2020, abandon the WA and the PD, use the 21 months to prepare for no-deal, abandon the GFA, build a Game Of Thrones wall between Ireland and Northern Ireland, and get on with our lives. It has the admirable advantage of requiring consent of no other countries at all.Gallowgate said:
With Euro elections?viewcode said:
If you extend the departure date to December 2020, then the Withdrawal Agreement is unnecessary.paulyork64 said:
what is extended no deal? and is the EU really going to allow an extension for it?kle4 said:
They've sprung for pepperoni over Hawaiian.Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
Actually, I expect it is that they'll give one more go for the WA, then extended no deal,w ith the 'remainers' in Cabinet defending themselves onthe basis that it is better than crashing out with even less preparation.
Tory MPs want no deal, there's no way around that for May.0 -
Tessie not giving them their phones back until they agree. Anybody with children of a certain age understand this technique.0
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They've agreed to become the 51st State of the USA......Philip_Thompson said:
Show of hands... who here thinks a genuinely big decision has actually been made?Big_G_NorthWales said:Cabinet is still in no 10
Sky predicting a big decision has been made0 -
One thing is certain a big decision will happen in the next 10 daysPhilip_Thompson said:
Show of hands... who here thinks a genuinely big decision has actually been made?Big_G_NorthWales said:Cabinet is still in no 10
Sky predicting a big decision has been made0 -
No - it will cost £ 39 bn.FrancisUrquhart said:Emmanuel Macron says EU will not be 'hostage to crisis in the UK' and warns Article 50 extension is not a given
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They haven't been given their phones back yet. It won't happen until after the PM has spoken.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Brick up the exits, and do us all a favour.Big_G_NorthWales said:Cabinet is still in no 10
Sky predicting a big decision has been made0 -
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I think HM might be a bit upset - a republican form of government is a pre-requisite to being a US state.MarqueeMark said:
They've agreed to become the 51st State of the USA......Philip_Thompson said:
Show of hands... who here thinks a genuinely big decision has actually been made?Big_G_NorthWales said:Cabinet is still in no 10
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Hmm. I fear we might get another of Theresa's 'parliament needs to decide; the current impasse is less than ideal; goodnight.'Philip_Thompson said:
Show of hands... who here thinks a genuinely big decision has actually been made?Big_G_NorthWales said:Cabinet is still in no 10
Sky predicting a big decision has been made0 -
No lectern?0
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Truly? Perhaps it is big then.Barnesian said:
They haven't been given their phones back yet. It won't happen until after the PM has spoken.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Brick up the exits, and do us all a favour.Big_G_NorthWales said:Cabinet is still in no 10
Sky predicting a big decision has been made0 -
I abstain .Philip_Thompson said:
Show of hands... who here thinks a genuinely big decision has actually been made?Big_G_NorthWales said:Cabinet is still in no 10
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Looking at this from a purely strategic perspective, is the way to play this not “Parliament can’t come up with an alternative so I’m going to go to Brussels and tell them we will not be extending Article 50. No deal will therefore happen on 12 April. However, I’ll put the WA to a vote one last time on Friday just in case you want to take that option instead.”
Best chance of getting The Deal through? And if Cooper-Letwin get the Extension Bill through tomorrow, well, it’ll be for someone else to pick up...0 -
Beth Rigby of Sky has just said that her cabinet sources have been off their mobiles since 9.30 amkle4 said:
Truly? Perhaps it is big then.Barnesian said:
They haven't been given their phones back yet. It won't happen until after the PM has spoken.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Brick up the exits, and do us all a favour.Big_G_NorthWales said:Cabinet is still in no 10
Sky predicting a big decision has been made0 -
If it's a big decision, it must be either a long extension or No Deal.0
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I want an indicative vote.dixiedean said:
I abstain .Philip_Thompson said:
Show of hands... who here thinks a genuinely big decision has actually been made?Big_G_NorthWales said:Cabinet is still in no 10
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Or TM dealChris said:If it's a big decision, it must be either a long extension or No Deal.
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One option is for May with Cabinet backing to say the only proposal that the House has accepted is the Brady amendment. So Cabinet has agreed that the backstop must be removed from the WD, it can be put in the PD, then the WD and PD will pass the House. If the EU can not do that then it is no deal.numbertwelve said:Looking at this from a purely strategic perspective, is the way to play this not “Parliament can’t come up with an alternative so I’m going to go to Brussels and tell them we will not be extending Article 50. No deal will therefore happen on 12 April. However, I’ll put the WA to a vote one last time on Friday just in case you want to take that option instead.”
Best chance of getting The Deal through? And if Cooper-Letwin get the Extension Bill through tomorrow, well, it’ll be for someone else to pick up...
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Obviously remainiacs and ERGers will go nots if anything, even nothing, is announced. But who will get in first?0
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15 minutes until statement, according to Twitter journos.0
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PM statement within 15 minutes0
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Half way through the news. Well done Tezzie.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:15 minutes until statement, according to Twitter journos.
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The concern is once they become a dominant stream of discourse they are not just private companies. In the way that, for example, it is (rightly) very difficult to cut off someone’s water or gas supply it should be difficult to cut off their right to express their views publiclyEndillion said:
If you get arrested for shouting things into a megaphone enough times on, say, Oxford Street, eventually you should just get banned from Oxford Street altogether. And possibly a bunch of other streets nearby, just in case. YouTube is a private company rather than a public space, which should make it simpler to ban people they don't want.Charles said:
It’s a reasonable analogyJosiasJessop said:
The problem with that is the Internet becomes bubbles. The sane Internet might pick up on what he spouts, but the people who follow his sh*t might not pick up on that because they don't follow the right places (and the same goes for others as well).FrancisUrquhart said:
They have just confirmed what he bangs on about, that the establishment are trying to silence him etc etc etc.Casino_Royale said:RobD said:FrancisUrquhart said:
Far better to let him publish, and let the internet pick up any horseshit he spouts (which if the internet is good at one thing, it is jumping on that bandwagon when somebody gets caught out).
I think there's a reasonable rule of thumb: if you'd get arrested for standing in the street and shouting something into a megaphone, you shouldn't expect a right to say it on open forums on the Internet. Though there are difficulties with that concept as well wrt territories.
The difference is YouTube isn’t arresting him for shouting something into a megaphone, they are preventing him from saying anything
Actually I think this is a positive development generally. The problem we're having with the likes of YouTube and Facebook is that they have long insisted they are tech companies, not publishing/media companies, and therefore they have no responsibility for what people use their platforms to post. The recent trend has been towards forcing them to take more and more action to remove prohibited content quicker - in particular the recent New Zealand mosque attack, where they were criticised for allowing the gunman to post live footage - which is almost impossible to stop unless you require moderation for everything in real time. If we had similar rules in place social media companies as we do for the wider media (eg editors can't just hide behind their journalists if they post false accusations without checking them properly) then we'd be in a much better place.0 -
He knows Cooper belongs to Labour, yeah? And that they don’t have ‘associations’? And that any members of Cooper’s who aren’t that well-disposed towards her are hardly likely to take their lead from a right-wing ERG enthusiast?
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Maybe this time May will say or do something that isn’t a huge disappointment. Maybe she will do the right thing. It’s the hope that kills you.0
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Still cobbling some crap together.SandyRentool said:
Half way through the news. Well done Tezzie.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:15 minutes until statement, according to Twitter journos.
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Second referendum ?Philip_Thompson said:
Nando's for dinner tonight.Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
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GE? Nuclear option.AmpfieldAndy said:
Second referendum ?Philip_Thompson said:
Nando's for dinner tonight.Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
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Another May announcement?
I’m not on the edge of my seat.0 -
Another May announcement?
I’m not on the edge of my seat.0 -
The camera has moved to the lectern. It is indoors this evening. The Royal Arms are on it.
Just minutes until the same pile of wank is repeated for the 97th time. I don't know about you lot, but I can't wait...0 -
Why do I have this frisson of excitement at the prospect of a PM statement? It nearly always disappoints.
Crest on the lectern....0 -
The Sky news people are saying that the "prime ministerial crest" being on the lectern suggests it won't be a general election. (Not sure if it would also rule out a referendum.)AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
GE? Nuclear option.AmpfieldAndy said:
Second referendum ?Philip_Thompson said:
Nando's for dinner tonight.Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
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Crest on lectern. Not GEAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
GE? Nuclear option.AmpfieldAndy said:
Second referendum ?Philip_Thompson said:
Nando's for dinner tonight.Danny565 said:Sky's Beth Rigby thinks there's been a "big decision", whatever that means.
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Government crest on the lectern, election's off.0
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Yesd, VAR at all matches in 2020.SandyRentool said:0 -
I'd like to make a "big open and comprehensive offer" to Jeremy Corbyn.....0
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Here we go.0
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I wouldn’t get too excited.Jonathan said:Maybe this time May will say or do something that isn’t a huge disappointment. Maybe she will do the right thing. It’s the hope that kills you.
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Further extension0
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Amazing. I don't think in all my days I've ever heard a Tory MP explicitly call for a colleague's deselection.Harris_Tweed said:He knows Cooper belongs to Labour, yeah? And that they don’t have ‘associations’? And that any members of Cooper’s who aren’t that well-disposed towards her are hardly likely to take their lead from a right-wing ERG enthusiast?
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Oh God no, another fucking extension!0
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Multinationals I guess. They'll be fine anyways. Small businesses maybe not so much.Scott_P said:0 -
Yawn. Same old rubbish.0
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TM Corbyn plan to be agreed0
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Looking for a deal with Corbyn0
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She's going to talk to Corbyn. Radical thinking.
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May trying to call Corbyn's bluff0
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Jonathan said:
Nick Boles is bang on the money. The Tory Party as was no longer exists.
Nick Boles is a acting like a spoilt child who doesn’t get his own way. He is certainly not bang on the money.0 -
AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
She's going to talk to Corbyn. Radical thinking.
#shouldhavedonethis2yearsago
Corbyn refused.0 -
