They have just confirmed what he bangs on about, that the establishment are trying to silence him etc etc etc.
Far better to let him publish, and let the internet pick up any horseshit he spouts (which if the internet is good at one thing, it is jumping on that bandwagon when somebody gets caught out).
The problem with that is the Internet becomes bubbles. The sane Internet might pick up on what he spouts, but the people who follow his sh*t might not pick up on that because they don't follow the right places (and the same goes for others as well).
I think there's a reasonable rule of thumb: if you'd get arrested for standing in the street and shouting something into a megaphone, you shouldn't expect a right to say it on open forums on the Internet. Though there are difficulties with that concept as well wrt territories.
It’s a reasonable analogy
The difference is YouTube isn’t arresting him for shouting something into a megaphone, they are preventing him from saying anything
If you get arrested for shouting things into a megaphone enough times on, say, Oxford Street, eventually you should just get banned from Oxford Street altogether. And possibly a bunch of other streets nearby, just in case. YouTube is a private company rather than a public space, which should make it simpler to ban people they don't want.
Actually I think this is a positive development generally. The problem we're having with the likes of YouTube and Facebook is that they have long insisted they are tech companies, not publishing/media companies, and therefore they have no responsibility for what people use their platforms to post. The recent trend has been towards forcing them to take more and more action to remove prohibited content quicker - in particular the recent New Zealand mosque attack, where they were criticised for allowing the gunman to post live footage - which is almost impossible to stop unless you require moderation for everything in real time. If we had similar rules in place social media companies as we do for the wider media (eg editors can't just hide behind their journalists if they post false accusations without checking them properly) then we'd be in a much better place.
There will soon come a point when PR is in every party's political interests.
Ah yes, PR because it will benefit my party. A very principled position.
As opposed to that principled position of' ah yes that antiquated system of FPTP; it is crap but it benefits my party."
"Disproportionate Representation is democratic when it's my party that gets the disproportionate representation?"
I do think that the contention that it is undemocratic for a party, ideology, or concept to have support in Parliament proportionate to its support in the electorate is a fairly strange contention, but it is one that, curiously, the supporters of the Big Two seem to hold dear.
No-one has ever claimed that PR is undemocratic. Many have, rightly in my view, claimed it's not a very good form of democracy.
Well the one we have totally sucks it either delivers elective dictatorships or impotence. Sometimes both at the same time like now.
Macron and Varadkar press conference. Varadkar looking very worried
Perhaps he should be a bit more flexible - wouldn't have found himself in this mess.
He noticeably swallowed hard when he said no deal could happen on the 12th April
About 85% of Ireland's total EU freight trade goes via British ports...
Hasn't a (competent) EU version of Chris Grayling hasn't bought a load of ferry capacity on Rosslare-Cherbourg/Cork-Roscoff yet?
I note you assume the EU runs Irish policy.
That might be the reason for Brexit.
I said it deliberately, because I'd assume that if* Irish trade was the big stumbling block from the EU27 point of view to us leaving on WTO terms, that a careful cost-benefit analysis would be done on whether the EU wanted us farting around for another 18 months*, or whether they could get the Irish off the hook by doing stuff like that (and probably funding a new motorway network and ferry port longer-term to get round us).
(*In practice, there are other issues for them, and on balance they'd probably sooner have us in the tent pissing out. But I'm not sure that's a permanent state)
Of course in the event of revocation, it is likely that the Tory government would fall and the replacement be significantly more euro friendly. It may be very congenial to the EU27.
There will soon come a point when PR is in every party's political interests.
Ah yes, PR because it will benefit my party. A very principled position.
As opposed to that principled position of' ah yes that antiquated system of FPTP; it is crap but it benefits my party."
"Disproportionate Representation is democratic when it's my party that gets the disproportionate representation?"
I do think that the contention that it is undemocratic for a party, ideology, or concept to have support in Parliament proportionate to its support in the electorate is a fairly strange contention, but it is one that, curiously, the supporters of the Big Two seem to hold dear.
No-one has ever claimed that PR is undemocratic. Many have, rightly in my view, claimed it's not a very good form of democracy.
Well the one we have totally sucks it either delivers elective dictatorships or impotence. Sometimes both at the same time like now.
We could do with a spot of elective dictatorship right now.
They have just confirmed what he bangs on about, that the establishment are trying to silence him etc etc etc.
Far better to let him publish, and let the internet pick up any horseshit he spouts (which if the internet is good at one thing, it is jumping on that bandwagon when somebody gets caught out).
The problem with that is the Internet becomes bubbles. The sane Internet might pick up on what he spouts, but the people who follow his sh*t might not pick up on that because they don't follow the right places (and the same goes for others as well).
I think there's a reasonable rule of thumb: if you'd get arrested for standing in the street and shouting something into a megaphone, you shouldn't expect a right to say it on open forums on the Internet. Though there are difficulties with that concept as well wrt territories.
It’s a reasonable analogy
The difference is YouTube isn’t arresting him for shouting something into a megaphone, they are preventing him from saying anything
If you get arrested for shouting things into a megaphone enough times on, say, Oxford Street, eventually you should just get banned from Oxford Street altogether. And possibly a bunch of other streets nearby, just in case. YouTube is a private company rather than a public space, which should make it simpler to ban people they don't want.
Actually I think this is a positive development generally. The problem we're having with the likes of YouTube and Facebook is that they have long insisted they are tech companies, not publishing/media companies, and therefore they have no responsibility for what people use their platforms to post. The recent trend has been towards forcing them to take more and more action to remove prohibited content quicker - in particular the recent New Zealand mosque attack, where they were criticised for allowing the gunman to post live footage - which is almost impossible to stop unless you require moderation for everything in real time. If we had similar rules in place social media companies as we do for the wider media (eg editors can't just hide behind their journalists if they post false accusations without checking them properly) then we'd be in a much better place.
Macron and Varadkar press conference. Varadkar looking very worried
Perhaps he should be a bit more flexible - wouldn't have found himself in this mess.
He noticeably swallowed hard when he said no deal could happen on the 12th April
About 85% of Ireland's total EU freight trade goes via British ports...
Hasn't a (competent) EU version of Chris Grayling hasn't bought a load of ferry capacity on Rosslare-Cherbourg/Cork-Roscoff yet?
I note you assume the EU runs Irish policy.
That might be the reason for Brexit.
I said it deliberately, because I'd assume that if* Irish trade was the big stumbling block from the EU27 point of view to us leaving on WTO terms, that a careful cost-benefit analysis would be done on whether the EU wanted us farting around for another 18 months*, or whether they could get the Irish off the hook by doing stuff like that (and probably funding a new motorway network and ferry port longer-term to get round us).
(*In practice, there are other issues for them, and on balance they'd probably sooner have us in the tent pissing out. But I'm not sure that's a permanent state)
Of course in the event of revocation, it is likely that the Tory government would fall and the replacement be significantly more euro friendly. It may be very congenial to the EU27.
Well, yes. That is part of the motivation of those who want Theresa May to revoke A50, or whip the payroll vote in favour of a second referendum.
Re Yugoslavia...it wasn't it will never happen there, it was when will it happen there.
It's a war that still has repercussions, plenty of ISIS/Al Qaeda top command were radicalised and blooded in the conflict.
Indeed. And many of the wilder branches of the Online Far Right have much admiration for some Serbian commanders.
At the time, they were all in favour of Croatia. I remember seeing an interview with a neo-Nazi who went out to fight for the Croats. He was like a character from a Mad Max film, with dark glasses, a leather overcoat, cross-belts of ammunition over his shoulders and holding a machete, and explaining how much he enjoyed killing people.
Re Yugoslavia...it wasn't it will never happen there, it was when will it happen there.
It's a war that still has repercussions, plenty of ISIS/Al Qaeda top command were radicalised and blooded in the conflict.
Indeed. And many of the wilder branches of the Online Far Right have much admiration for some Serbian commanders.
At the time, they were all in favour of Croatia. I remember seeing an interview with a neo-Nazi who went out to fight for the Croats. He was like a character from a Mad Max film, with dark glasses, a leather overcoat, cross-belts of ammunition over his shoulders and holding a machete, and explaining how much he enjoyed killing people.
Meanwhile, on a theoretical French version of this site, a poster called CalaisObservateur notes that if you only read the French media, you'd never know that Theresa May is by far the most popular politician in the UK.
(Can't find a link, but I think this result keeps getting confirmed by various surveys.)
Re Yugoslavia...it wasn't it will never happen there, it was when will it happen there.
It's a war that still has repercussions, plenty of ISIS/Al Qaeda top command were radicalised and blooded in the conflict.
Indeed. And many of the wilder branches of the Online Far Right have much admiration for some Serbian commanders.
At the time, they were all in favour of Croatia. I remember seeing an interview with a neo-Nazi who went out to fight for the Croats. He was like a character from a Mad Max film, with dark glasses, a leather overcoat, cross-belts of ammunition over his shoulders and holding a machete, and explaining how much he enjoyed killing people.
ERG supporter now, I take it?
It might have been Mark Francois, come to think of it.
Macron and Varadkar press conference. Varadkar looking very worried
Perhaps he should be a bit more flexible - wouldn't have found himself in this mess.
He noticeably swallowed hard when he said no deal could happen on the 12th April
About 85% of Ireland's total EU freight trade goes via British ports...
Hasn't a (competent) EU version of Chris Grayling hasn't bought a load of ferry capacity on Rosslare-Cherbourg/Cork-Roscoff yet?
I note you assume the EU runs Irish policy.
That might be the reason for Brexit.
I said it deliberately, because I'd assume that if* Irish trade was the big stumbling block from the EU27 point of view to us leaving on WTO terms, that a careful cost-benefit analysis would be done on whether the EU wanted us farting around for another 18 months*, or whether they could get the Irish off the hook by doing stuff like that (and probably funding a new motorway network and ferry port longer-term to get round us).
(*In practice, there are other issues for them, and on balance they'd probably sooner have us in the tent pissing out. But I'm not sure that's a permanent state)
Of course in the event of revocation, it is likely that the Tory government would fall and the replacement be significantly more euro friendly. It may be very congenial to the EU27.
Well, yes. That is part of the motivation of those who want Theresa May to revoke A50, or whip the payroll vote in favour of a second referendum.
Sure, but the reality is that if we do stay, or extend then it is highly unlikely to be a eurosceptic government that the EU27 are dealing with.
That is a significant drop - £11k per year per branch. Assuming a 6 day trading week, that is just under £40 per day per branch. Less if they trade 7 days per week.
So the headline figures look worse than when you break it down.
Perhaps the PM is beta-testing the 'lock them in the room until they make an effing decision' approach, prior to full-scale rollout later in the week.
I've long been an advocate for this method wrt Brexit votes in the commons - admittedly my version has the building set on fire to provide a little time incentive.
Mr Dancer and Mr F, didn't say he had decided, but was fed up with opposing everything. Wasn't paying full attention at the start (maybe I should apply to be an MP). And, yes, surprising.
That is a significant drop - £11k per year per branch. Assuming a 6 day trading week, that is just under £40 per day per branch. Less if they trade 7 days per week.
So the headline figures look worse than when you break it down.
If their turnover is £750k for 21 branches we have to assume they aren't open all the time.
£750k/21/300 trading days per year = £120 per day.
EDIT: Ah, I think it's "takeaway coffee sales" that's the point.
Last accounts (2017) they reported an annual turnover of just under £20m.
2 "malicious obstructions" placed on rail lines. Police say "Brexit related" ?????
Remainer MPs moving on from being road blocks ?
Police probe two 'pro-Brexit' sabotage attempts to disrupt rail network as devices are found clipped to tracks with note threatening to 'bring this country to its knees' if Britain doesn't leave EU
2 "malicious obstructions" placed on rail lines. Police say "Brexit related" ?????
Remainer MPs moving on from being road blocks ?
Police probe two 'pro-Brexit' sabotage attempts to disrupt rail network as devices are found clipped to tracks with note threatening to 'bring this country to its knees' if Britain doesn't leave EU
"Mr Lamb, a senior MP in the Commons, voted in favour of a customs union and the common market 2.0 proposal, saying that those options could then be put to a confirmatory referendum.
It's been a curious feature of PB for the last 15 years that posters on PB always predict an early GE.
There must have been many hundreds of posts in the last few weeks all predicting an early / imminent GE - and not one single post predicting there won't be an early GE.
Yet the actual odds on a 2019 GE currently show it as odds against. And that's for the whole of 2019.
Now I don't know what will happen - and of course there may well be a 2019 GE. But's an interesting example of how minds work - I think it's just another example of people posting what they want to happen / what they think "should" happen - and then dressing it up as a prediction.
Norman Lamb on about leaving the LDs on R5L now. We're gonna have more independents than party ,members soon at this rate.
Why is he leaving?
Because he's willing to compromise to a soft Brexit.
Which is why he did not stand in the last LD leadership contest. He is much less absolutist on the issue than most of his party, though keen on the softest possible Brexit.
That is a significant drop - £11k per year per branch. Assuming a 6 day trading week, that is just under £40 per day per branch. Less if they trade 7 days per week.
So the headline figures look worse than when you break it down.
If their turnover is £750k for 21 branches we have to assume they aren't open all the time.
£750k/21/300 trading days per year = £120 per day.
They are only talking about their takeaway coffee business. Not the food offering or the drink in offering. So they are only presenting a particular slice of the picture.
It clearly has had an effect on their trade - but it is £40 per branch per day - some of which might be down factors other than the cup ban.
That is a significant drop - £11k per year per branch. Assuming a 6 day trading week, that is just under £40 per day per branch. Less if they trade 7 days per week.
So the headline figures look worse than when you break it down.
If their turnover is £750k for 21 branches we have to assume they aren't open all the time.
£750k/21/300 trading days per year = £120 per day.
They are only talking about their takeaway coffee business. Not the food offering or the drink in offering. So they are only presenting a particular slice of the picture.
It clearly has had an effect on their trade - but it is £40 per branch per day - some of which might be down factors other than the cup ban.
Right, you'll see I editted my last post.
it does rather underline the point that a 25% fall in takeaway coffee sales - in exchange for a media bonanza that say increases other sales 10% - might easily be worth it.
"Mr Lamb, a senior MP in the Commons, voted in favour of a customs union and the common market 2.0 proposal, saying that those options could then be put to a confirmatory referendum.
But he was the only Liberal Democrat to do so."
Pretty much 10% of the Parliamentary numbers - so significant enough!
That is a significant drop - £11k per year per branch. Assuming a 6 day trading week, that is just under £40 per day per branch. Less if they trade 7 days per week.
So the headline figures look worse than when you break it down.
If their turnover is £750k for 21 branches we have to assume they aren't open all the time.
£750k/21/300 trading days per year = £120 per day.
They are only talking about their takeaway coffee business. Not the food offering or the drink in offering. So they are only presenting a particular slice of the picture.
It clearly has had an effect on their trade - but it is £40 per branch per day - some of which might be down factors other than the cup ban.
Right, you'll see I editted my last post.
it does rather underline the point that a 25% fall in takeaway coffee sales - in exchange for a media bonanza that say increases other sales 10% - might easily be worth it.
Your figures seem to indicate that takeaway coffee was only 5% of their turnover - rather puts things into a better perspective - thanks for doing the digging.
That is a significant drop - £11k per year per branch. Assuming a 6 day trading week, that is just under £40 per day per branch. Less if they trade 7 days per week.
So the headline figures look worse than when you break it down.
If their turnover is £750k for 21 branches we have to assume they aren't open all the time.
£750k/21/300 trading days per year = £120 per day.
They are only talking about their takeaway coffee business. Not the food offering or the drink in offering. So they are only presenting a particular slice of the picture.
It clearly has had an effect on their trade - but it is £40 per branch per day - some of which might be down factors other than the cup ban.
Right, you'll see I editted my last post.
it does rather underline the point that a 25% fall in takeaway coffee sales - in exchange for a media bonanza that say increases other sales 10% - might easily be worth it.
Your figures seem to indicate that takeaway coffee was only 5% of their turnover - rather puts things into a better perspective - thanks for doing the digging.
Nice to see the BBC giving them a free advert.
They are quite a nice outlet actually...quite nice for a mid morning brunch.
2 "malicious obstructions" placed on rail lines. Police say "Brexit related" ?????
Remainer MPs moving on from being road blocks ?
Police probe two 'pro-Brexit' sabotage attempts to disrupt rail network as devices are found clipped to tracks with note threatening to 'bring this country to its knees' if Britain doesn't leave EU
That is a significant drop - £11k per year per branch. Assuming a 6 day trading week, that is just under £40 per day per branch. Less if they trade 7 days per week.
So the headline figures look worse than when you break it down.
If their turnover is £750k for 21 branches we have to assume they aren't open all the time.
£750k/21/300 trading days per year = £120 per day.
They are only talking about their takeaway coffee business. Not the food offering or the drink in offering. So they are only presenting a particular slice of the picture.
It clearly has had an effect on their trade - but it is £40 per branch per day - some of which might be down factors other than the cup ban.
Right, you'll see I editted my last post.
it does rather underline the point that a 25% fall in takeaway coffee sales - in exchange for a media bonanza that say increases other sales 10% - might easily be worth it.
Your figures seem to indicate that takeaway coffee was only 5% of their turnover - rather puts things into a better perspective - thanks for doing the digging.
Nice to see the BBC giving them a free advert.
They are quite a nice outlet actually...quite nice for a mid morning brunch.
No reason to doubt the quality of their offering. It is just the way that article presents a rather limited picture of their business model - it makes it seem a lot more significant than it actually is.
It's been a curious feature of PB for the last 15 years that posters on PB always predict an early GE.
There must have been many hundreds of posts in the last few weeks all predicting an early / imminent GE - and not one single post predicting there won't be an early GE.
Yet the actual odds on a 2019 GE currently show it as odds against. And that's for the whole of 2019.
Now I don't know what will happen - and of course there may well be a 2019 GE. But's an interesting example of how minds work - I think it's just another example of people posting what they want to happen / what they think "should" happen - and then dressing it up as a prediction.
I certainly WANT a General Election. I love them. I stay up all night. Throw pillows at the telly. Eat pizza. They're good fun.
Now, do I predict a route to a General Election - I can certainly see one, and not unrealistic given the political atmosphere we live in.
In 2010, I was rather upset when the Election weekend was over, as I believed it'd be another five years before the next election. I was right. In 2015, I thought it would be another five years, though I did think "Well, at least there is the referendum to look forward to."
Today, I struggle to see how a divided, minority administration, in the middle of the biggest political crisis since 1945 and with only 313 out of the 642 attending MPs can survive another three years. Things change by the day at the moment, from Bercow blocking votes, to members of the Government advocating a policy before voting against it, to factions (and I mean factionS) within the governing party advocating completely polar opposites of government policy.
I don't think it unreasonable to expect a General Election sometime this year.
2 "malicious obstructions" placed on rail lines. Police say "Brexit related" ?????
Remainer MPs moving on from being road blocks ?
Police probe two 'pro-Brexit' sabotage attempts to disrupt rail network as devices are found clipped to tracks with note threatening to 'bring this country to its knees' if Britain doesn't leave EU
2 "malicious obstructions" placed on rail lines. Police say "Brexit related" ?????
Remainer MPs moving on from being road blocks ?
Police probe two 'pro-Brexit' sabotage attempts to disrupt rail network as devices are found clipped to tracks with note threatening to 'bring this country to its knees' if Britain doesn't leave EU
Just home from work - saw that suggested on the TV myself.
Unless either (a) MV4 takes place and is passed this time, or (b) the Government asks for an extension with no plan for what to do with it and the EU somehow agrees to this thing, then the 8th really is it. The EU deadline for presenting any alternative to the Deal is the 10th, so anything decided on the 8th would need to be rammed through any required legislative processes on the 9th.
Unless or until our glorious leaders surprise us and manage to come up with a viable way forward, the possibility of a No Deal vs Revoke vote on the 11th should not be discounted.
Comments
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1113093175378415621
Actually I think this is a positive development generally. The problem we're having with the likes of YouTube and Facebook is that they have long insisted they are tech companies, not publishing/media companies, and therefore they have no responsibility for what people use their platforms to post. The recent trend has been towards forcing them to take more and more action to remove prohibited content quicker - in particular the recent New Zealand mosque attack, where they were criticised for allowing the gunman to post live footage - which is almost impossible to stop unless you require moderation for everything in real time. If we had similar rules in place social media companies as we do for the wider media (eg editors can't just hide behind their journalists if they post false accusations without checking them properly) then we'd be in a much better place.
He's consistently around 70% disapproval.
An independent coffee chain said it has seen sales fall by £250,000 since it banned single use cups last summer.
"We have lost around 25% of our takeaway coffee sales"
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-47629820
(Can't find a link, but I think this result keeps getting confirmed by various surveys.)
So the headline figures look worse than when you break it down.
We're gonna have more independents than party ,members soon at this rate.
?????
Hope his health is improving.
He isn't popular, it's just no one is popular outside their base.
Likely to be more peaceful and civilised and interesting than anything coming out of Westminster.....
And, yes, surprising.
£750k/21/300 trading days per year = £120 per day.
EDIT: Ah, I think it's "takeaway coffee sales" that's the point.
Last accounts (2017) they reported an annual turnover of just under £20m.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6877857/Police-investigate-two-devices-planted-railway-lines-network-sabotage-bid-related-Brexit.html
Mr. Dean, cheers for that further detail.
But he was the only Liberal Democrat to do so."
There must have been many hundreds of posts in the last few weeks all predicting an early / imminent GE - and not one single post predicting there won't be an early GE.
Yet the actual odds on a 2019 GE currently show it as odds against. And that's for the whole of 2019.
Now I don't know what will happen - and of course there may well be a 2019 GE. But's an interesting example of how minds work - I think it's just another example of people posting what they want to happen / what they think "should" happen - and then dressing it up as a prediction.
Alarming rail news.
It clearly has had an effect on their trade - but it is £40 per branch per day - some of which might be down factors other than the cup ban.
it does rather underline the point that a 25% fall in takeaway coffee sales - in exchange for a media bonanza that say increases other sales 10% - might easily be worth it.
Nice to see the BBC giving them a free advert.
Fast food chain Burger King says it will trial a new plant-based alternative to its meat burgers.
The Impossible Whopper is made with a type of soybean root called heme, which gives the impression of bleeding, getting close to simulating real meat.
https://news.sky.com/story/burger-king-launches-plant-based-impossible-whopper-11682142
They'll come out in a while and announce that talks have been tough but fruitful.
From them, not you I hasten to add.
Now, do I predict a route to a General Election - I can certainly see one, and not unrealistic given the political atmosphere we live in.
In 2010, I was rather upset when the Election weekend was over, as I believed it'd be another five years before the next election. I was right. In 2015, I thought it would be another five years, though I did think "Well, at least there is the referendum to look forward to."
Today, I struggle to see how a divided, minority administration, in the middle of the biggest political crisis since 1945 and with only 313 out of the 642 attending MPs can survive another three years. Things change by the day at the moment, from Bercow blocking votes, to members of the Government advocating a policy before voting against it, to factions (and I mean factionS) within the governing party advocating completely polar opposites of government policy.
I don't think it unreasonable to expect a General Election sometime this year.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-44798649
Unless either (a) MV4 takes place and is passed this time, or (b) the Government asks for an extension with no plan for what to do with it and the EU somehow agrees to this thing, then the 8th really is it. The EU deadline for presenting any alternative to the Deal is the 10th, so anything decided on the 8th would need to be rammed through any required legislative processes on the 9th.
Unless or until our glorious leaders surprise us and manage to come up with a viable way forward, the possibility of a No Deal vs Revoke vote on the 11th should not be discounted.
of Europes top 10 CO2 polluters, 7 are German
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47783992
Germany where the rules are for other people
Funny ole world.
Which would come in handy for those White House burger feasts.