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Celebrating slavery? How non PC of youydoethur said:
I live in Chadsmoor, if that's any help.JackW said:
Are there any suicidal ERG members named Chad?oxfordsimon said:I wonder whether there will be any hanging chads tonight
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Tbh, that could be a report from any time during the last 30 years.Big_G_NorthWales said:Bill Cash going off on one
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The banter heuristic demands that the ERG vote down MV3, and Tezza revokes Article 50 the next day.
And doesn't resign.0 -
Though sounds like a lot of Tories abstaining so even if it gets a majority it probably won't be the 320 required to secure a majority of Parliament.Artist said:Betfair Exchange thinks Ken Clarke's Custom Union will get a majority.
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Apparently MPs are allowed to change their minds, but the public aren’t.AnotherEngineer said:
They changed their mind due to external circumstances. Are the BBC suggesting that nobody should change their mind, ever?Gallowgate said:BBC News running clips of what Mogg, Boris, DD etc have said about the deal in the past and what they are saying now.
It’s all very funny.
Perhaps they should replay all Corbyn's comments on the EU too.0 -
Calls a General Election and bans them from the candidates list.Scott_P said:The banter heuristic demands that the ERG vote down MV3, and Tezza revokes Article 50 the next day.
And doesn't resign.0 -
It might be too late. But I would agree that if they have come around, the time for mockering and insulting is in the general washup after the damn thing is passed, when praise and recrimination can take place.Philip_Thompson said:
They're begrudgingly coming around to back what you want. There's no need to gloat.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It really is very pathetic.Gallowgate said:BBC News running clips of what Mogg, Boris, DD etc have said about the deal in the past and what they are saying now.
It’s all very funny.0 -
Anyway, I closed down my big red number on Jeremy Corbyn for next Prime Minister tonight. Best not to be too greedy.0
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Its someone working out they dun f**ked up in slow-mo.nico67 said:Lmao seeing Steve Bakers meltdown !
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The Cabinet is being helpful by abstaining rather than opposing the alternatives to their own plan. Which may in time prove to be wise politics.Philip_Thompson said:
Though sounds like a lot of Tories abstaining so even if it gets a majority it probably won't be the 320 required to secure a majority of Parliament.Artist said:Betfair Exchange thinks Ken Clarke's Custom Union will get a majority.
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That's just the usual nonsense that demonstrates that all the various factors are just looking for reasons to vote against. Heck, a bunch of them were using May using harsh language as an excuse. Either the deal is the best option we have or it isn't, it is a difficult decision but it really is not actually complicated.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Is that another Kafka homage I don't get?Charles said:
Celebrating slavery? How non PC of youydoethur said:
I live in Chadsmoor, if that's any help.JackW said:
Are there any suicidal ERG members named Chad?oxfordsimon said:I wonder whether there will be any hanging chads tonight
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Has he? How?Slackbladder said:
Its someone working out they dun f**ked up in slow-mo.nico67 said:Lmao seeing Steve Bakers meltdown !
What has he lost out on that he'd have won had he backed May's deal at the start?0 -
Seriously, if they vote against the whip enough times can they have the whip removed?williamglenn said:
Calls a General Election and bans them from the candidates list.Scott_P said:The banter heuristic demands that the ERG vote down MV3, and Tezza revokes Article 50 the next day.
And doesn't resign.0 -
Christ on a bike, what's left to debate about?0
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If its a confidence matter they only need to vote against [or even abstain] once to have the whip removed.Benpointer said:
Seriously, if they vote against the whip enough times can they have the whip removed?williamglenn said:
Calls a General Election and bans them from the candidates list.Scott_P said:The banter heuristic demands that the ERG vote down MV3, and Tezza revokes Article 50 the next day.
And doesn't resign.0 -
The Tory benches are just the ERG talking to themselves. With a few Labour MPs opposite sitting there with their popcorn.0
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I do not gloat over any of this. I find the whole issue deeply unpleasantPhilip_Thompson said:
They're begrudgingly coming around to back what you want. There's no need to gloat.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It really is very pathetic.Gallowgate said:BBC News running clips of what Mogg, Boris, DD etc have said about the deal in the past and what they are saying now.
It’s all very funny.0 -
Thanks. but does the concept of a 'confidence matter' still exist in FTPA-land?Philip_Thompson said:
If its a confidence matter they only need to vote against [or even abstain] once to have the whip removed.Benpointer said:
Seriously, if they vote against the whip enough times can they have the whip removed?williamglenn said:
Calls a General Election and bans them from the candidates list.Scott_P said:The banter heuristic demands that the ERG vote down MV3, and Tezza revokes Article 50 the next day.
And doesn't resign.0 -
Wikipedia reckons Sydney Barnes was born in Smethwickydoethur said:
Ex-mining village. Not distinguished in architecture but I like it.JackW said:
Er .... No ....ydoethur said:
I live in Chadsmoor, if that's any help.JackW said:
Are there any suicidal ERG members named Chad?oxfordsimon said:I wonder whether there will be any hanging chads tonight
Most famous as the birthplace of the greatest bowler who ever lived.
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As do I but from a different angle to you.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not gloat over any of this. I find the whole issue deeply unpleasantPhilip_Thompson said:
They're begrudgingly coming around to back what you want. There's no need to gloat.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It really is very pathetic.Gallowgate said:BBC News running clips of what Mogg, Boris, DD etc have said about the deal in the past and what they are saying now.
It’s all very funny.
This is an area where passions run very high.0 -
Why does Angela Eagle keep getting called on to speak?
Surely there are other MPs who could make a better contribution...0 -
Boris is a wizard beneath the sheets.rottenborough said:0 -
Obit of W R P George, LL G's nephew.viewcode said:
Ydoethur's name is " y doethur", which is Welsh for "The Doctor". Unfortunately there has never been a Welsh Doctor Who, so the obvious joke goes unspoken...Omnium said:
Ah so that's the firm you've been using for the work on the accidental scrambling of your name. Have you considered that the ostensible partners haven't been seen since the 1920s? I realise that there's precedent in slow progress, but Jarndice aside you may want to consider the state of affairs. I realise this may be unwelcome news, but you may die before the wise posts you've made on PB are correctly attributed to yourself.ydoethur said:
Lloyd George, Roberts and Co. says hello.Omnium said:
A firm of solicitors has never held office.TheScreamingEagles said:
Have I ever mentioned I tipped Hunt, Lidington, and Hancock at 100/1?dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1110971801503498241
might help others.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/w-r-p-george-425252.html0 -
What time will the results come through?0
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Nor can I, but that's a pretty lame reason to be pushed away, and very likely a made up excuse - any new leader will be constrained by the same factor of the parliamentary numbers, or else need to seek a GE. We haven't gotten a Brexit the ERG would like because there are not the numbers in parliament for it, and there still won't be after May goes.Foxy said:
While I think that MPs can be quite mercenary, I am less convinced than PB Tories that bribery can get either the DUP or Labour rebels into May's lobby. Indeed May standing down in favour of probably a hard Brexiteer is likely to push them away. I can't see it working myself.Philip_Thompson said:
The DUP can do the maths and see the writing on the wall. They know that there's zero reason for them to switch early but by switching late they can name their price. Plus if they don't give in then they risk PM Corbyn. Plus they've flown kites about potentially backing it if they get the right assurances.Drutt said:
What might swing the DUP? They already have a £1B splurge of general funding for NI. Add your suggestions here.Philip_Thompson said:
For an unrelated billion and a face saving gesture they may even vote for. But the ERG got its pound of flesh tonight, the DUP will not switch until they've got theirs.RobinWiggs said:
For a completely unrelated £1bn, I would imagine the DUP might abstain along with a few of the remaining ERG purists. That should see it home.HYUFD said:
Which means even if every Tory MP voted for the Deal the Deal would still be narrowly defeated if no more Labour MPs switch to back the Deal and the DUP still votes against the DealCasino_Royale said:
Who might swing from Labour without a whip?HYUFD said:Given the DUP and about 20 Tory MPs are still refusing to back the Deal and the Deal still does not have at least 20 Labour MPs backing it has May just made a unicorn resignation proposal?
Who else is sympathetic?
I can’t think of anyone.
(1) Ministerial jag for Arlene?
(2) Ireland kicked out of 6N?
(3) A laser big enough to write F*CK THE POPE on the moon?
(4) Wood pellet burner for Westminster?
(5) Ban Riverdance?
They'll be given assurances to guarantee no internal UK barriers and coincidentally another billion splurged on Northern Ireland for entirely unrelated reasons.
"I don't know what assurances May has given the DUP, but Northern Ireland now has a space program".
So why I agree with you I don't think it will work, I question the sincerity of anyone who claims that as a reason they might have backed the deal but cannot now.0 -
Legally? No.Benpointer said:
Thanks. but does the concept of a 'confidence matter' still exist in FTPA-land?Philip_Thompson said:
If its a confidence matter they only need to vote against [or even abstain] once to have the whip removed.Benpointer said:
Seriously, if they vote against the whip enough times can they have the whip removed?williamglenn said:
Calls a General Election and bans them from the candidates list.Scott_P said:The banter heuristic demands that the ERG vote down MV3, and Tezza revokes Article 50 the next day.
And doesn't resign.
Theoretically? Probably.
If the government said on Friday "this is a matter of confidence, if we lose this vote we are withdrawing the whip from any rebels and putting forward a motion to have an early election" then that'd do it in practice even if not in theory.0 -
If only Blair had done that with Corbyn and Macdonnell...Benpointer said:
Seriously, if they vote against the whip enough times can they have the whip removed?williamglenn said:
Calls a General Election and bans them from the candidates list.Scott_P said:The banter heuristic demands that the ERG vote down MV3, and Tezza revokes Article 50 the next day.
And doesn't resign.0 -
I'm going to skip watching the announcements live - the results always come through a minute earlier on PB than they do on the 'live' BBC HoC stream.
(Mind you, if we all did that they wouldn't appear on hear at all I guess.)0 -
Sane MPs should now REJECT the deal, simply because it will throw the Tory party into the hands of the hard right. Keep MayDay in place and roll over a soft Brexit.0
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Oh shut up Eagle. You are spouting rubbish over and over.0
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Maybe that should be May's MV3 plan?Philip_Thompson said:
Legally? No.Benpointer said:
Thanks. but does the concept of a 'confidence matter' still exist in FTPA-land?Philip_Thompson said:
If its a confidence matter they only need to vote against [or even abstain] once to have the whip removed.Benpointer said:
Seriously, if they vote against the whip enough times can they have the whip removed?williamglenn said:
Calls a General Election and bans them from the candidates list.Scott_P said:The banter heuristic demands that the ERG vote down MV3, and Tezza revokes Article 50 the next day.
And doesn't resign.
Theoretically? Probably.
If the government said on Friday "this is a matter of confidence, if we lose this vote we are withdrawing the whip from any rebels and putting forward a motion to have an early election" then that'd do it in practice even if not in theory.
Of course, she probably wants MV3 to fail now so that she can stay on.
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Don't.Sean_F said:
Boris is a wizard beneath the sheets.rottenborough said:
You're putting me off my Indicative Votes snacks.0 -
Very well-argued!oxfordsimon said:Oh shut up Eagle. You are spouting rubbish over and over.
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I don't think a PM would last long after that!!Philip_Thompson said:
Legally? No.Benpointer said:
Thanks. but does the concept of a 'confidence matter' still exist in FTPA-land?Philip_Thompson said:
If its a confidence matter they only need to vote against [or even abstain] once to have the whip removed.Benpointer said:
Seriously, if they vote against the whip enough times can they have the whip removed?williamglenn said:
Calls a General Election and bans them from the candidates list.Scott_P said:The banter heuristic demands that the ERG vote down MV3, and Tezza revokes Article 50 the next day.
And doesn't resign.
Theoretically? Probably.
If the government said on Friday "this is a matter of confidence, if we lose this vote we are withdrawing the whip from any rebels and putting forward a motion to have an early election" then that'd do it in practice even if not in theory.
Oh, right.0 -
I think somebody told them that "Grand Wizard" was a Klu Klux Klan rank. After discussing alternatives such as "Grand Moff", "Dalek Emperor" and "SS-Sturmbannfuhrer", they went for "High Wizard" instead.rottenborough said:0 -
The division on the changed date takes place at 9.00 and the results follow thatAndyJS said:What time will the results come through?
Maybe plus minus a bit around 9.150 -
Thanks BGNW.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The division on the changed date takes place at 9.00 and the results follow thatAndyJS said:What time will the results come through?
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I'll take your word for it.Sean_F said:
Boris is a wizard beneath the sheets.rottenborough said:0 -
She could always do a Barclay?Benpointer said:
Maybe that should be May's MV3 plan?Philip_Thompson said:
Legally? No.Benpointer said:
Thanks. but does the concept of a 'confidence matter' still exist in FTPA-land?Philip_Thompson said:
If its a confidence matter they only need to vote against [or even abstain] once to have the whip removed.Benpointer said:
Seriously, if they vote against the whip enough times can they have the whip removed?williamglenn said:
Calls a General Election and bans them from the candidates list.Scott_P said:The banter heuristic demands that the ERG vote down MV3, and Tezza revokes Article 50 the next day.
And doesn't resign.
Theoretically? Probably.
If the government said on Friday "this is a matter of confidence, if we lose this vote we are withdrawing the whip from any rebels and putting forward a motion to have an early election" then that'd do it in practice even if not in theory.
Of course, she probably wants MV3 to fail now so that she can stay on.
Meanwhile the idiot Jenkin goes off on one.
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At least we now know the ERG are split and fighting each other.0
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They are about as effective as the Wizard of Ozviewcode said:
I think somebody told them that "Grand Wizard" was a Klu Klux Klan rank. After discussing alternatives such as "Grand Moff", "Dalek Emperor" and "SS-Sturmbannfuhrer", they went for "High Wizard" instead.rottenborough said:0 -
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Is this like that favourite crisps pyramid thingy the other day?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Don't.Sean_F said:
Boris is a wizard beneath the sheets.rottenborough said:
You're putting me off my Indicative Votes snacks.0 -
Except - the Wizard of Oz did give everyone except Dorothy what they wanted - by showing they had had it all the time...Benpointer said:
They are about as effective as the Wizard of Ozviewcode said:
I think somebody told them that "Grand Wizard" was a Klu Klux Klan rank. After discussing alternatives such as "Grand Moff", "Dalek Emperor" and "SS-Sturmbannfuhrer", they went for "High Wizard" instead.rottenborough said:0 -
The only good thing about Brexit is that it seems to be pissing the ERG off more than anyone else.0
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Although it is classically odd. Sparta vs Carthage vs Rome vs Grand Wizards from Middle Earth.Big_G_NorthWales said:At least we now know the ERG are split and fighting each other.
When I was a 14 year old wargamer, this would have been a top, tabletop event.0 -
So what? We’d have a hard right nutter as PM.kle4 said:
How? Even if an ERG member gets put to the membership and they win they aren't getting a hard right Brexit through parliament._Anazina_ said:Sane MPs should now REJECT the deal, simply because it will throw the Tory party into the hands of the hard right.
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[Extremely rude post deleted]Sean_F said:
Boris is a wizard beneath the sheets.rottenborough said:0 -
No longer a Group, never did any Research, so rather ironically, European is the only accurate bit of their name.Big_G_NorthWales said:At least we now know the ERG are split and fighting each other.
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What, Corbyn?_Anazina_ said:
So what? We’d have a hard right nutter as PM.kle4 said:
How? Even if an ERG member gets put to the membership and they win they aren't getting a hard right Brexit through parliament._Anazina_ said:Sane MPs should now REJECT the deal, simply because it will throw the Tory party into the hands of the hard right.
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More strength to my analogy!ydoethur said:
Except - the Wizard of Oz did give everyone except Dorothy what they wanted - by showing they had had it all the time...Benpointer said:
They are about as effective as the Wizard of Ozviewcode said:
I think somebody told them that "Grand Wizard" was a Klu Klux Klan rank. After discussing alternatives such as "Grand Moff", "Dalek Emperor" and "SS-Sturmbannfuhrer", they went for "High Wizard" instead.rottenborough said:0 -
Any more pathetic than May saying 100+ times that we would leave on Friday and then asking for an extension?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It really is very pathetic.Gallowgate said:BBC News running clips of what Mogg, Boris, DD etc have said about the deal in the past and what they are saying now.
It’s all very funny.0 -
Sounds like they need to enlist the help of 1960s Spartan Greek acting legend Notis Peryalis, who I once saw in an adaptation of Electra, and looks uncannily like Citizen Smith or Che Guevara here, for some reason :Scott_P said:
http://www.altcine.com/person.php?id=7253
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Anyway I have been having some medical issues recently but after my final tests today I am in the clear and just carry on with a disciplined diet (diabetes) and existing medication
My wife and I are so grateful for all our blessings and our close family and grand children
And DUP will not support the deal
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I see Rees-Mogg is roasting Nick Boles in the Commons for going to Winchester rather than Eton. Can I retroactively add this to the list of reasons to hate the Tories that I came up with the other day?0
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Well , that changes things back again.Scott_P said:0 -
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Lmao ! DUP said no just as Bozo said yes and will now be seen as a traitor by some in the Tory Membership nutjobs .0
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That's good news, Big G, pleased for you.Big_G_NorthWales said:Anyway I have been having some medical issues recently but after my final tests today I am in the clear and just carry on with a disciplined diet (diabetes) and existing medication
My wife and I are so grateful for all our blessings and our close family and grand children
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A Moor belonging to Chadydoethur said:
Is that another Kafka homage I don't get?Charles said:
Celebrating slavery? How non PC of youydoethur said:
I live in Chadsmoor, if that's any help.JackW said:
Are there any suicidal ERG members named Chad?oxfordsimon said:I wonder whether there will be any hanging chads tonight
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You may certainly add it to the reasons why he’s a prize pill.OnlyLivingBoy said:I see Rees-Mogg is roasting Nick Boles in the Commons for going to Winchester rather than Eton. Can I retroactively add this to the list of reasons to hate the Tories that I came up with the other day?
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Although wouldn’t that be repetitiveviewcode said:
I think somebody told them that "Grand Wizard" was a Klu Klux Klan rank. After discussing alternatives such as "Grand Moff", "Dalek Emperor" and "SS-Sturmbannfuhrer", they went for "High Wizard" instead.rottenborough said:
I believe “wizard” is a distortion of the Irish Gaelic Ard-Wiz (the senior advisor to the High King, the Ard-Righ)*
So really they are saying High High Irish Wise One.
* the Cymric equivalent is The Merlin (or chief bard) who advised the High King (the “Pendragon” or “chief standard”)0 -
So is it related to the Arabic, wazir, or adviser, minister?Charles said:
Although wouldn’t that be repetitiveviewcode said:
I think somebody told them that "Grand Wizard" was a Klu Klux Klan rank. After discussing alternatives such as "Grand Moff", "Dalek Emperor" and "SS-Sturmbannfuhrer", they went for "High Wizard" instead.rottenborough said:
I believe “wizard” is a distortion of the Irish Gaelic Ard-Wiz (the senior advisor to the High King, the Ard-Righ)*
So really they are saying High High Irish Wise One.
* the Cymric equivalent is The Merlin (or chief bard) who advised the High King (the “Pendragon” or “chief standard”)0
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